Session 117: Ben Marshall

Summary

THERAPUSS with Jake Shane
Session 117: Ben Marshall
April 23, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of THERAPUSS features Jake Shane in a candid, chaotic, and often hilarious session with guest Ben Marshall, SNL cast member and member of comedy trio Please Don’t Destroy. The conversation oscillates between self-deprecating banter, deep dives into personal insecurities, career journeys, and plenty of tongue-in-cheek therapeutic advice for listener-submitted dilemmas. Jake and Ben navigate their chemistry (awareness of awkwardness, layered with genuine warmth), discuss adult life, comedy, friendships, and anxieties—both personal and generational.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the (Casual) Stage

• Jake and Ben open with light banter about their outfits, shoe sizes, and whether they get "styled" for podcasts.
• Jake: “You’re low key, fitted up.”
  Ben: “Whoa. Thanks, Jake.” (13:15)

2. Upbringings, New York, and SNL

• Ben is from Savannah, GA; discusses moving to NYC for college and the South's “slow pace and warm weather” (14:54).
• Talks about his family, living alone (15:06), and transitioning into the New York/entertainment world.

3. Comedy, Stand-Up, Improv, and Performing

• Jake and Ben reflect on differences between stand-up and live performance.
  • Jake describes his live shows: “I talk about myself...but it’s like, not stand-up.” (15:59)
  • Ben shares his improv practice with Please Don’t Destroy: “We ask if anyone has real gossip...then we improvise based on that.” (17:47)
• Both muse about trying open mics together and push the boundaries of stand-up and improv.
  • “As two people in comedy, if we start sending each other jokes and going to open mics, that could be really fun and really good.” – Ben (32:43)
• Honest assessment of seeing yourself perform:
  • “It’s really hard to watch yourself.” – Ben (16:13)

4. Personal Insecurities and Adult Realizations

• Candid talk about appearance—Jake discusses masseter Botox and self-image; Ben reflects on being a ginger (19:44, 43:55).
• Age and feeling "old" at 30, navigating adult milestones, and delayed emotional processing:
  • “When you’re an adult, things just happen...then, like, two days later, you realize.” – Jake (22:58)
• Height humor: Ben at 6’5”, Jake at 5’3”; how these influence self-perception. (44:28)

5. Anxieties and Mental Health Transparency

• Both admit to significant anxiety, how it manifests physically, and how it affects daily life.
  • “Very physical. Stomach aches, sweating, I get vertigo.” – Ben (43:10)
  • “I feel it in my gums...I feel it a lot in the back of my neck.” – Jake (43:22)
• Mutual assurance: “I think we’re fine.” (43:34)

6. Music, Pop Culture, TV, and Friendship

• Discussion ranges from favorite Ariana Grande songs to Survivor, Broadway, and the Strokes.
  • On Ariana: “She is the voice of our generation.” – Jake (05:59)
  • “She could be on the SNL cast and be the best person on cast.” – Ben on Ariana Grande, as both host & musical guest (57:04)
• Stories about DMs, festival experiences, and "yes, and" behavior—Jake prescribes pop songs for therapy.
• Bits about celebrity encounters, music tastes, and generational slang ("chopped unk") (25:09, 46:49, 77:21).

7. Listener Questions ("Tell Me What's Wrong" segment)

Starting [54:26]

• Jake and Ben read audience submissions and provide advice—often irreverent but sincere.
  • Example: Returning to a toxic ex – “You know the answer in your heart and you just have to take action.” – Ben (77:27)
  • Bad-breath boyfriend dilemma – “It's kinder to say, hey, man, your breath smells.” – Ben (60:11)
  • The infamous "fuck on the canvas" kit – Jake: “I would be like, I have found the one.” Ben: “I think it’s a serial killer thing.” (61:06)
  • Sugar baby moral dilemma – “There's nothing morally wrong. Prostitution is the world’s oldest profession.” – Jake (62:59)
  • Deal with a friend’s disloyalty – “A friend to all is a friend to none. You should no longer be friends with this girl.” – Jake (64:04)
  • Petty rivalry in class – Jake: [mocks confronting classmate publicly] “If you do it one more time, we are going to have a serious fucking problem...” (66:00)
  • Should I leave my man-child fiancé? – “Sounds like you fucking hate him.” – Jake (72:57)
    “People are like, I hate my life and my fiancé. He makes me miserable. He's got zero redeeming qualities. Should I stay with him?... You know the answer.” – Ben (72:59)
  • Splintered friend groups and compulsive liars – nuanced empathy from Ben, blunt rejection from Jake (71:12–71:57)

8. The Dynamic Between Jake & Ben

• Periodic, meta-check-ins on episode "vibe," awkwardness, and vulnerability as hosts and guest process their chemistry (41:39, 42:17, 43:35, 77:00).
• Recurring joke: “Have we said anything of substance yet?” Interwoven are plans to become friends, start open-micing, and play basketball together.
  • “What did we learn? I think we learned that you and I have a lot of work to do...a long road ahead, in a beautiful way.” – Ben (76:05–76:17)
  • “I think that we’re gonna hang out. Like...I know we’re gonna end up like—” – Jake (78:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Do you ever just watch TV like it’s colors and sounds and you’re not taking in any—really?” – Ben (33:13)
• “I talk about myself. But it’s not standup.” – Jake (15:59)
• “[On getting styled for podcasts] ‘No, I never. But I mean, do you see fitted?’” – Jake (13:25)
• “I would make the whole audience put their flash on and take photos of me as I walked up and down the stage.” – Jake (16:24)
• “We have improv plans. We have open mic plans. I say open mic comes first.” – Jake (34:32)
• “It’s very cool to see them [Sabrina Carpenter, Justin Bieber]. It’s like, oh my God.” – Jake (09:40)
• “A friend to all is a friend to none. You should no longer be friends with this girl.” – Jake (64:04)
• “Do you think I’m chopped unk?” – Jake (46:12)
  “No. Jake, I keep telling you, you’re 26. You have your whole life ahead of you. I love you.” – Ben (46:13)
• “People know the answer in their heart, you just have to take action. It’s easy to talk about something but it’s hard to take action.” – Ben (77:27)
• “I prescribe Every Time by Ariana Grande, the song ‘Why, oh, why do I keep going back to you every time?’” – Jake (55:15)
• “I feel like you’re a really good person.” – Jake (64:45)
  “Wow, that’s really nice. Thank you.” – Ben (64:46)
• “Do you want to play the game where we say the same thing at the same time?” (50:10) [Leads to chaotic, endearing mind-meld attempts.]

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Timestamps for Essential Segments

• Opening banter, fashion, and personal style: [13:13] – [15:00]
• Comedy & improv discussion: [15:41] – [18:04]
• Anxiety/confession session: [43:01] – [44:15]
• Discussion about age, SNL & adulthood: [22:56] – [25:15]
• Tell Me What’s Wrong - advice segment begins: [54:26]
• Vulnerable check-ins/meta-podcasting: [41:39], [76:00]–[78:01]
• Final friendship plans & closing: [78:05] – [79:00]

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Style & Tone

The episode is unfiltered, self-aware, and irreverently funny. Jake’s signature blend of earnestness and absurdity sets a safe space for Ben’s introspection and wry humor. The hosts don’t shy from meta-commentary about the conversation’s “awkwardness,” ultimately giving the episode a uniquely candid and vulnerable atmosphere.

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In Summary

This session is less of a traditional interview, more of a therapy-adjacent, neurotic comedy session. It’s charming in its vulnerability, openness to imperfection, and mutual willingness to “sit in the awkward.” Whether you’re an SNL fan, a Jake Shane devotee, or just love hearing funny people be deeply, endearingly themselves, this THERAPUSS episode is a window into creative friendship in real time—and probably one of the most unpredictable, authentic podcast hours you’ll hear.

Transcript

[Jake]

Focus features in Blumhouse Obsession. When I have a crush on a

[Louise]

guy no one knows.

[Jake]

Be careful.

[Ben Marshall]

I wish Nikki loved me more than anyone in the entire world.

[Jake]

Who you wish for? Obsession is 96% fresh on rotten tomatoes. I love you so, so, so, so much. It's blood soaked nightmare fuel. What kind of spills you put on her? You have been warned. Obsession. Rated R under 17, animated without parent only theaters May 15 with special engagements in Dolby. Brett claims she told me that she was going to Korea. You never told me you were going to Korea.

[Louise]

I'm really sorry. I really thought I did.

[Jake]

I'm so jealous. You know, Brett's going to Korea. I've never heard of this. See? Thank you.

[Louise]

I'm really excited. Hell, yeah. I told Manny I had to have told you, too.

[Jake]

Are you excited?

[Louise]

I'm really excited, but I a little bit anxious because it's like I have to go home first and then to Korea and then straight to Austin. So it's just like a little bit much. But you know what? You do that all the time. And if you can do it, I can do it.

[Jake]

I can barely do it.

[Louise]

I know, but if you can barely do it, I can do it.

[Jake]

Yeah. Facts are you, like, what have you been, like, googling stuff you want to do?

[Louise]

Yeah. Like, we've been looking because we have two, like, free nights.

[Jake]

You're going with Hannah?

[Louise]

Yeah, my sister's coming. And so on those free nights, we want to go to, like, good restaurants and we're going to. Wait, you're going to die? 90 minute Korean head spa treatment and color analysis. Oh, I'm going to get my color sign. So I'm going to officially know my season because I never fully know. I definitely know blue is in there, but, like, I don't know what it is.

[Jake]

What would you think mine is?

[Louise]

I feel like you look good in, like, I don't know, actually black. I think black is definitely in yours. And like, green, because green brings out your eyes.

[Jake]

I always get compliments in green.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

What would you. What do you think you. Yours is?

[Louise]

I mean, blue has to be in there. But then, remember randomly senior year, I discovered I looked good in orange.

[Jake]

Yellow.

[Louise]

Yellow.

[Jake]

I mean, orange is the color of the summer.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Do you think I said that too prematurely?

[Louise]

No, I think you kind of have to claim stuff now.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Louise]

Like in April.

[Jake]

I'm claiming that orange is the color of the summer.

[Louise]

Hell, yeah.

[Jake]

I. I'm claiming it.

[Louise]

Yeah, it definitely is up there because, like, I. I got like, orange little jelly Slides gifted, like, for summer.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah.

[Louise]

And that was after you said it.

[Jake]

Well, you heard it here first.

[Louise]

Just saying.

[Jake]

Are you watching Imperfect Women?

[Louise]

No. Are you?

[Jake]

I started it, but I got a Benadryl iv, so I clunked.

[Louise]

So it's, like, so up my alley. I just don't think. Because I've been, like, so in the world of the Pit girl.

[Jake]

You work at that hospital?

[Louise]

Like, no, like, I am right there with Dr. Robbie.

[Jake]

Like, you work at that hospital.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And, Brad, I've never seen you feel this way about a show.

[Louise]

No, I feel so passionately about it. And it's just this season, like, it's not. I like it a lot, but a lot of people don't like it as much as the first season, but, like, some people are being, like, too harsh. But I'm really upset because my favorite doctor is being, like, written off season three, which, like, is really upsetting. Dr. Mohan. Mohan is her name.

[Jake]

There is a real, real Pit fandom.

[Louise]

Big.

[Jake]

Yeah. So it's like a community, but it is.

[Louise]

But, like, it's like, I'm on Pit Twitter, but some people take it too far.

[Jake]

What do you mean, some people?

[Louise]

Like, there was this article that came out, and it was like, maybe I forget what a publication, but it was. I don't know if it was legit one, but it was like, the Pit fans, the Pit super fans, are proving that, like, you can be bad at watching tv because, like, basically, like, they're saying that there. There's, like, they're shipping, like, Dr. Robbie, the main guy, with this, like, other male Dr. Whitaker, when, like, it's just like, I'm Whitaker. Yeah, yeah. Whitaker is one people think you look like.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

But I can't judge because I am a heavy shipper of mellington, which is Dr. Mel. Do you watch? Do you agree or no?

[Jake]

I disagree.

[Louise]

Oh, okay. I mean, I see it more as, like, a father, daughter. No, they're flirting. They. Yep, yep. Dr. Mel King and Dr. Frank Langdon. I love Dr. Langdon. A lot of people don't. And I understand.

[Jake]

Who Does Noah play?

[Louise]

Dr. Robbie.

[Jake]

Got it. He's like, main guy, and he's on for season three.

[Louise]

And Dr. Alhashimi. Love her down.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Louise]

She's new in season two.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Louise]

It's just like, I just love the show so much.

[Jake]

You know what else you love? Is it the stranger or.

[Louise]

Oh, Strangers.

[Jake]

Strangers.

[Louise]

Strangers by Bell Burden.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

Yes. Let's talk about it.

[Jake]

Okay. Because I got through one chapter, and then Coachella happened, so I'm sorry, but I couldn't get through. And then Fame Sick came out by Lena Dunham, which I'm. I actually. I have to read it.

[Louise]

I want to read it after you.

[Jake]

It. It was, like, making me feel. I was like, oh, my God, this thing that I want.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

It is so not. It. Like, she's, like. She writes, and she's like, my name.

[Louise]

Is it about, like, her not wanting to be famous or what?

[Jake]

There's so much more, like, nuance to it. Like, the way she introduces it is like she talks about how she was given her name, and the name then became something outside of her, kind of in a very Taylor Swift way. And it's like. And it became. And then she ends with. And then it became a punchline. And then. So the book is about. She has dealt with a lot of health issues. Right. As sort of her name became, like. As she became famous.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And so her body kind of co. Like, her body's health kind of coincided with the rise this, like, fame.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

So I think that's why it's called Fame Sick.

[Louise]

That's very profound. Oh, wow.

[Jake]

And I started reading it last night, and it's great. She just is. I mean, she is the voice of our generation.

[Louise]

She's so talented.

[Jake]

And so I'm gonna read that. I'm really, really excited about it. I'm gonna read it on the plane tonight.

[Louise]

Oh, I keep forgetting you're leaving.

[Jake]

I know. But then I'm gonna read Strangers, because I was.

[Louise]

Strangers is also just such a quick read. Like, I got through it in a day.

[Jake]

Well, so can you tell me, you said you believe every. Everyone should read that book?

[Louise]

I think everyone. Especially every young woman. Every woman, period. Especially young woman, whether you're in a relationship or not. Because I think it is such an important lesson of, like, so many girls, they. And this isn't anyone's, like, fault in particular, but I feel like so many young women, like, they view, like, marriage and, like, whatever, like, a husband, as, like, a finish line and whatever. And, like, while it's great to have that partnership in life, like, you truly never know, like, down the line, 10, 20 years, like, what's going to happen. And I think that it's just, like, a really good lesson for. For girls to read and to, like, understand. And I really admire Belle for being so, like, vulnerable and telling her story, because also, it's like, this stuff happens to so many women, and, like, no one really talks about it because there's this weird shame around, like, you know, your husband, you know, leaving you that, like, people don't really talk about as much.

[Jake]

I mean, you cried.

[Louise]

I cried multiple times, especially at the end. I was like, holy.

[Jake]

Okay. I'm really excited to read. I think I'm in my reading era

[Louise]

and it's being turned into a movie. And Gwyneth is going to play Belle.

[Jake]

Done.

[Louise]

Yeah. Sick.

[Jake]

Gwenneth can act down.

[Louise]

Yeah. And honestly, she doesn't do it enough anymore.

[Jake]

I think she's just like. She does it when she wants to, and then GW is, like, always that girl.

[Louise]

Because she's like, yeah, because she. Duh. I mean, queen. She lives in Santa Barbara.

[Jake]

Is your North Star.

[Louise]

Yeah. I'm obsessed with her. I'm obsessed with her.

[Jake]

Like, that is your North Star.

[Louise]

Like her and like, talented Mr. Ripley.

[Jake]

I'm like, yeah, I've never seen.

[Louise]

Oh, you should watch. And it's young Matt Damon. So, like, it's giving Max.

[Jake]

There's a lot. There's a lot of Max. Does look like him. Have you ever seen it? He does.

[Louise]

One of his Hinge prompts was. Best award I'd win is Walmart Matt Damon lookalike.

[Jake]

Oh, so underrated. You guys met on Hinge beyond.

[Louise]

And I love talking about it. I hate when people are, like, like, trying to, like, do mental gymnastics about, like, what, we met on Hinge, but,

[Jake]

like, no, you met on him.

[Louise]

You met on Hinge and, like, yeah, period.

[Jake]

End of story. Yeah. I just went to Coachella, and you

[Louise]

had the best time.

[Jake]

You infamously hate Coachella.

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

I actually think if there is an artist that you would like to see, if you have a simple way of getting in and out and you just see that artist, you will have a magical, wonderful, beautiful time. There is a certain, like, ethereal feeling to seeing an artist as the desert wind is, like, blowing in your hair.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And you're. Look, it's. Music festivals are like God's gift to this green earth if you do them the way that your body and your mind wants to.

[Louise]

So that's my thing. It's like, I don't disagree. It's just like, I love you all down, but, like, how you guys do Coachella is not my dirty.

[Jake]

Right.

[Louise]

I don't want to be out till 6am Right. And, like, that's just me. So, like, if there was at least one other person there.

[Jake]

Max.

[Louise]

Yeah. Yeah. But, like, maybe. Maybe in the future. I'm like, never say never. I just, like.

[Jake]

I mean, quite literally

[Louise]

funny, but if there were a year that, like, I mean, I would have loved to see both Sabrina And Justin, I just was like, I just know it's not my journey.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

But I. I don't disagree with you. I don't.

[Jake]

It's very cool to see them like, Ah. It's like. Oh, my God.

[Louise]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jake]

What are you doing in Austin again?

[Louise]

Run club.

[Jake]

Oh, jealous.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Oh, well, I've been doing 5Ks.

[Louise]

Yeah, you have.

[Jake]

And they make me feel amazing. They really set my day up for, like a beautiful day.

[Louise]

You should run at my New York one.

[Jake]

When is it?

[Louise]

May 30th.

[Jake]

I'll be there. Yep. Wait, I'll be there. Oh, my God. That will be so fun. Yeah, that'll be so fun.

[Louise]

It's going to be fun. I don't know if I can say where we're doing it in this, but it's going to be a sick location.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. I'm so excited. That's going to be amazing. Oh, my God.

[Louise]

And I've never done.

[Jake]

Fighters are going to show up.

[Louise]

I know. I think the turnout's going to be awesome.

[Jake]

Oh, and a pop up bagel after.

[Louise]

Yep.

[Jake]

Papa, can they bring back your schmear?

[Louise]

I know. They really should, especially because they're opening in Chicago.

[Jake]

Would you call it a shmear or butter?

[Louise]

It's a butter.

[Jake]

Sorry.

[Louise]

Okay. But they open in Chicago tomorrow.

[Jake]

We need the dessert bowl butter brought back that hit that rocked my world.

[Louise]

It was really good. It is really good.

[Jake]

It really rocked my world.

[Louise]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jake]

What should we do for the rest of the day?

[Louise]

I don't know. I literally bricked my phone so I would, like, stop scrolling because my thing

[Jake]

is if I read right now during the day, I will fall asleep and I can't do that. Yeah. It really puts me to bed.

[Louise]

Yeah, I know. But isn't that nice?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

Or do you not like.

[Jake]

Well, my struggle with reading is my OCD and it makes me reread certain lines and it's so hard. It really my up and makes reading so much more difficult for me. So I'm really trying to push past it.

[Louise]

Yeah. Because it's so good for you.

[Jake]

It is so good for me. But I think also when I was reading Fame Sick, I was getting a little bit of anxiety just because this thing that I've glamorized in my head so much really isn't all that glamorous. And Lena Dunham writes about it in such a profound way that it's undeniably not glamorous.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And I think it was just. It was making me feel like, what are my values? Like what do I want? What do I. Wow. You know, and so I'm, like, anxious to read it, but I know I have to because she speaks genuine truth.

[Louise]

Yeah. That's deep.

[Jake]

I'm very hungry.

[Louise]

What are you gonna have?

[Jake]

I don't know.

[Louise]

I had my taquitos.

[Jake]

I'm gonna ask if you had your taquitos. I was gonna have them.

[Louise]

They.

[Jake]

I think I watched Chipotle before flight.

[Louise]

No, no, no.

[Jake]

Sounds awesome. I know, dude, but I. Okay.

[Louise]

You always regret it.

[Jake]

I. Oh, wait. You know, Cassidy eats Chipotle in silence. Do you know this? Like, she'll be like, oh, I just. Like, she'll sit down somewhere. We'll be like, what do. You should be like? I had Chipotle. When I have Chipotle, I tell everyone.

[Louise]

You do. You always make it a thing?

[Jake]

Yes, it's like, it is a thing.

[Louise]

It is.

[Jake]

You tell everyone having Chipotle is a thing. You're like, I had Chipotle today.

[Louise]

Yeah, you're right.

[Jake]

Curiosity, like, does it in silence.

[Louise]

That's kind of crazy.

[Jake]

It's crazy. Very Gemini of her.

[Louise]

Wow.

[Jake]

To have Chipotle in silence. Yeah, I always. If I'm having Chipotle, I am having Chipotle.

[Louise]

Yeah, you always, like, sit down.

[Jake]

I need a support. I need a support system when I'm having Chipotle. I really do. Tonight we have on Ben Marshall from snl, who is just incredible and so funny, and it was such a fun episode to film, and I'm so excited for you guys to see it because he is so the best, and he is best friends with Paul Briganti.

[Louise]

Love.

[Jake]

Yes. Which is how we got connected. So thank you, Paul. Okay, well, I love you, B.

[Louise]

Love you so much. Bye.

[Jake]

Enjoy the episode. Love you. Hi, welcome back to Therapist. Today we have on SNL cast member Ben Marshall.

[Ben Marshall]

Hello.

[Jake]

Hi, Ben.

[Ben Marshall]

Thanks for having me.

[Jake]

You're welcome. You're low key, fitted up.

[Ben Marshall]

Whoa. Thanks, Jake.

[Jake]

Did you get styled for this?

[Ben Marshall]

No, these are my own clothes.

[Jake]

Stop it.

[Ben Marshall]

Do you get styled for your pods?

[Jake]

No, never. But I mean, do you see fitted?

[Ben Marshall]

Thanks, guys.

[Jake]

Do you love fashion?

[Ben Marshall]

I like fashion. Yeah. I feel like I've been getting more into it. My friend who works at Nike sent me these shoes. I want them little diapers.

[Jake]

They. Okay, well, you can't say that.

[Ben Marshall]

I got the diaper three thousands on.

[Jake]

Wait, I want. Are they released yet?

[Ben Marshall]

We're probably the same size, right?

[Jake]

What size are your feet?

[Ben Marshall]

13 now. What are yours?

[Jake]

Eight now.

[Ben Marshall]

That's better than I thought.

[Jake]

13.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Is it hard to find shoes.

[Ben Marshall]

No, 13 is kind of the cutoff. After that, it gets hard.

[Jake]

Are you like a solid 13 or have you ever been like, these 13 so fit? Me?

[Ben Marshall]

No, I'm a solid. Well, I mean, sometimes I'm 14. Is that what you mean?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Ben Marshall]

I'll talk about whatever. I'm an open book.

[Jake]

Oh, really?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Okay. So you came to New York for college?

[Ben Marshall]

Yes.

[Jake]

From Savannah?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. So you're from Georgia. Sorry, can we pick this up? Jake wouldn't let us talk before this started.

[Jake]

Well, I just wanted to. Save it.

[Louise]

I am from Georgia.

[Jake]

I'm from Atlanta.

[Ben Marshall]

Savannah.

[Louise]

My sister went to Scott.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, really?

[Louise]

Spent a lot of time there.

[Ben Marshall]

My high school was like scads. High school. Savannah Arts Academy.

[Louise]

Did you ever consider going there?

[Ben Marshall]

No, I wanted to get far away from Savannah.

[Jake]

What's.

[Ben Marshall]

But I love it now.

[Jake]

What's your favorite?

[Ben Marshall]

What?

[Jake]

What's your favorite. What's your favorite thing about the South?

[Ben Marshall]

It's a very slow pace. I like that. Like, the warm weather.

[Jake]

You do like that. You work at snl?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, but I guess I like to take a break and do that. But then after a few days, I do start to lose my mind.

[Jake]

Okay. Right.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Do you live alone?

[Ben Marshall]

I do.

[Jake]

You do?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Do you like living alone?

[Ben Marshall]

Is this how it always is? It is. Okay. Yeah. I.

[Jake]

What, like, what did you think, by

[Ben Marshall]

the way, this was gonna be? Like, I listened.

[Jake]

No, you do not. Oh, you listen to Marcelo's episode. Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. And I'm also here to promote Marcella's stand up special.

[Jake]

You are?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. Check it out. American Boy streaming on Netflix. One shirt, six shows. One shirt.

[Jake]

Yes. Do you remember that? One shirt, six shows. That is really crazy.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Would you ever do a stand up special?

[Ben Marshall]

I don't really do stand up.

[Jake]

Neither do I.

[Ben Marshall]

Don't you? Didn't you start?

[Jake]

No.

[Ben Marshall]

What are you guys talking about you're doing?

[Jake]

I do, like, a live show, but I wouldn't like, offend stand ups like that.

[Ben Marshall]

What do you do? Do you bring people on and interview them?

[Jake]

No, I talk about myself.

[Ben Marshall]

So stand up.

[Jake]

But it's like, not stand up.

[Ben Marshall]

Right? Like on stage with microphones. Just you.

[Jake]

I will like. Honestly, I've been seeing some videos from tour and it's like, I can't believe you let me do that. Oh, I can't believe.

[Ben Marshall]

It's really hard to watch yourself.

[Jake]

No, life, it's a little different with me. Like, I used to get. What would I do?

[Louise]

I think you need to tell Ben about how you made everyone.

[Jake]

Oh, I'm not ashamed of this. I would make everybody. I would make everybody. Like, one of my actual favorite bits was that I would make everybody because, like, when I go on the red carpet, like, no one knows who I am. So they, like, take, like, one photo and keep it moving. And, like, I would make the whole audience, like, put their flash on and, like, take photos of me as I walked up and down the stage. And I would make them do it twice. I call it Last Looks.

[Ben Marshall]

Interesting. Is that so you could just get it out of the way so people don't have their phones out? No, no. You just wanted.

[Jake]

I was in Houston and I was like, you know, it would be fun, you guys, because you. Well, because you don't do stand up. But, like, yeah, sometimes, like, during a live show when you're really, like, you feel it with the crowd, like, you can kind of just be, like, fuck around a bit. And I was like, what if you guys, like, all took photos of me right now?

[Ben Marshall]

Totally.

[Jake]

And they were all like, yes. And it worked.

[Ben Marshall]

I feel like I've done that. I. I do an improv show with Mike Perviglia and the other guys in Please Don't Destroy. And we tell people that you can only post a photo if you say it's the greatest improv show you've ever

[Jake]

seen and do the lesson.

[Ben Marshall]

It's usually not.

[Jake]

I want to see you do improv.

[Ben Marshall]

Do you ever do improv?

[Jake]

Well, no, but I'm not bad at it.

[Ben Marshall]

I don't think you would be.

[Jake]

I'm, like, pretty good at it.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

What's, like, an improv game that you play?

[Ben Marshall]

No games.

[Jake]

So how do you improv?

[Ben Marshall]

Like, scenes? Like, long form. So it's so nerdy. We ask if anyone has any, like, real gossip that they're going through in their life, and then we improvise based on.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. What? But I guess this would be my bread and butter.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, you should do it.

[Jake]

What? I want to do this.

[Ben Marshall]

Do it whenever.

[Jake]

Really?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Are you lying?

[Ben Marshall]

No.

[Jake]

When's your next show?

[Ben Marshall]

Absolutely. Do it. I don't know. It's on Mondays monthly at ucb.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

How old are you? Guess I actually think I know how old. 26?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Ben Marshall]

Wow.

[Jake]

And I'm happy I didn't drag that like I normally drag it.

[Ben Marshall]

What do you mean?

[Jake]

So, like, I'm normally, like, yes. That I, like, go on this whole thing. So, like, I'm happy I just let that one go. But, yes. I'm 26.

[Ben Marshall]

That's really young. And you're so you have your whole life ahead of you. I'm 30.

[Jake]

I know. You don't look 30, by the way.

[Ben Marshall]

Don't go. I know.

[Jake]

You really don't. Do you get anything done? No, I just got neck Botox for the first time.

[Ben Marshall]

Did you really?

[Jake]

Yeah. And yes.

[Ben Marshall]

Wait, what does that do? It's.

[Jake]

It's a masseter. So, like, they do it here. Here, and they, like, squeeze your veins and, like, do it. So, like, I can't really go like this. Yeah. Wow.

[Ben Marshall]

Why did you feel like you wanted to do that?

[Jake]

Because Louise was like, do you want to come get an aqua gold facial with me? And so I was like, wow. That. She's like, it's amazing. Your skin's glowing. And by the way, my skin is glowing.

[Ben Marshall]

You look great.

[Jake]

Thank you. And so I got the aqua gold facial. And then I was like, wait, let me just, like, while I have you guys, like, ask you about this, like, thing that I've been wondering. Like, you know, I feel a little insecure about my chin. Like, my jaw. And they're like, well, we do have masseter Botox here.

[Ben Marshall]

Wow.

[Jake]

And I was like, that day, they just did it five seconds later. No. In my neck.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay. I would do that.

[Jake]

It was free. It was her friend from college, a Pepper.

[Ben Marshall]

Connect me.

[Jake]

Do you want to go together?

[Ben Marshall]

Let's do it.

[Jake]

You're not going to Wait.

[Ben Marshall]

Your team asked me if I had, like, some special place that I wanted to record this episode. Like a restaurant or a bar that I like or something.

[Jake]

We wanted to make it special.

[Ben Marshall]

And then I proposed that we go play basketball together.

[Jake]

Why would you propose that?

[Ben Marshall]

You did this? Didn't even make it to your desk?

[Jake]

No.

[Ben Marshall]

You didn't hear about this?

[Jake]

Did you guys just shut that down? Were you gonna go to a basketball court? Yeah, I probably would.

[Ben Marshall]

That would have been a really fun, unique episode. We're playing basketball with all my friends.

[Jake]

Who are all your friends?

[Ben Marshall]

A lot of people currently on SNL play basketball, so I play with Tommy Brennan. I play with Cam. Where did we meet?

[Jake]

We met at an after party. At Glenn's after party?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Right?

[Ben Marshall]

I think so.

[Jake]

And I said, you know Paul?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. Were you with Tate McRae?

[Jake]

I was.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. I remember that.

[Jake]

And we came up to your guys's table, said, hi.

[Ben Marshall]

Am I doing a really bad job on this podcast?

[Jake]

No, this is fun. Are you guys having fun?

[Ben Marshall]

Okay, okay. Okay.

[Jake]

Like, do you feel weird that they're sitting on the floor? No, I've been sitting in the shower lately.

[Ben Marshall]

Have you?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

It's really sad.

[Jake]

Really? I laid down in the shower last night. Laid down? Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

Never heard of anyone doing that unless they're severely, severely depressed.

[Jake]

I don't think I'm severely, severely depressed anymore. Am I?

[Ben Marshall]

You're laying down in the shower?

[Jake]

Yeah. Because the water pressure feels so good.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay. Okay. So you're having fun.

[Jake]

Do you listen Ariana Grande?

[Ben Marshall]

I love Ariana Grande.

[Jake]

Do you really?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

What's your favorite Ariana Grande song?

[Ben Marshall]

Thank you. Next?

[Jake]

Classic.

[Ben Marshall]

Classic.

[Jake]

What type of music do you listen to?

[Ben Marshall]

I feel like you're getting frustrated with me.

[Jake]

No, I'm not. What type of music do you listen to?

[Ben Marshall]

I listen to broad spectrum of music. I was very excited when Geese got on the show. I know, like classic.

[Jake]

That makes sense for you.

[Ben Marshall]

Quirky white boy behavior.

[Jake]

But, yeah, I like that one song.

[Ben Marshall]

Which one?

[Jake]

Taxes.

[Ben Marshall]

Great. Great.

[Jake]

I know. You weren't expecting me to name a song, huh?

[Ben Marshall]

No, I was.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

I don't know. What. What kind of music do you listen to?

[Jake]

Pop.

[Ben Marshall]

Pop. I love pop.

[Jake]

And, like, singer songwriters. So anyone that, like, writes their own music. Like, I will. Like, I. I've been listening to Radiohead recently.

[Ben Marshall]

Cool.

[Jake]

I know. I know.

[Ben Marshall]

You're really, like, proud of yourself.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

That's cool. Yeah. I've been listening to the new Harry Styles album. I like it a lot.

[Jake]

Whom you just kissed.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

How was that?

[Ben Marshall]

Did you listen to the album?

[Jake]

Yeah, I did.

[Ben Marshall]

Keep that whole thing, please.

[Jake]

I just haven't had the time.

[Ben Marshall]

It's okay. You're not expected. You don't have to do everything all the time. Jake, you're on Broadway, you have a hit podcast. You're 26. You just got a new apartment in New York. You're wearing a cool watch. You have a lot going on.

[Jake]

Do you know what I realized last night?

[Ben Marshall]

What?

[Jake]

When you're an adult, things just happen to you, and then, like, two days later, you realize that they happened, and you're like, holy, I can't believe that happened.

[Ben Marshall]

Give me an example.

[Jake]

Like, I got ghosted, right, while I was filming a short. And so, like, I couldn't really, like, give it the attention it deserved as I was filming the short. And then right as the short was wrapping this one, this background actor named Joy grew her own weed. She was, like, 70 or 80. She had, like, this backpack she was pulling out. Like, I'm not kidding. Can someone grab me my phone? Like, I need to show you a visual on Joy.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay, so you got ghosted. You're doing a short, Joy.

[Jake]

So I finished my Final scene for the short.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

So I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna smoke Joy's joint.

[Ben Marshall]

Totally.

[Jake]

So I go outside and I'm like, joy, I'm going to go smoke your joint. She goes, okay. Only take two hits. Like, this is the tsunami. And I said, okay, like, whatever. So I go outside and I hit it like four or five or six times. So I smoked, and then I real. It's the dumbest fucking story ever, and it means nothing.

[Ben Marshall]

What happened? You got too high?

[Jake]

No, I got high. And I realized, oh, my God, when you're an adult, you really don't process things for days. Like, as a kid, like, you process things in the moment. And I in process that, I got ghosted for two days. Then when I processed it, I was like, this is really sad.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, it's like a delayed. Like, you know, when you work out, and then sometimes you're not sore the next day, but you're sort of the day after.

[Jake]

Yeah. Do you work out?

[Ben Marshall]

It's like that. I do.

[Jake]

What's your favorite workout?

[Ben Marshall]

I don't know. Playing basketball probably. Which is why I wanted to take you to play.

[Jake]

I mean, I will go with you to play.

[Ben Marshall]

Let's do it.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

So you live in LA now?

[Jake]

I live both in LA and here.

[Ben Marshall]

Wow, look at you. You're doing it.

[Jake]

I'm trying.

[Ben Marshall]

Proud of you.

[Jake]

Thank you. Are you?

[Ben Marshall]

I really am.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

I feel like you're. You're in such a fun, exciting place in your life.

[Jake]

Oh, it doesn't feel that way.

[Ben Marshall]

It doesn't?

[Jake]

No.

[Ben Marshall]

You're 26. When I was 26, man.

[Jake]

You were doing Please Don't Destroy on SNL.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. I had just gotten hired. It was, like, the best. And I was having so much fun, and everything was like. And I feel like 26 was just a fun time.

[Jake]

So what are you therapist about today?

[Ben Marshall]

What am I therapist about?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

Honestly, being old.

[Jake]

You're not old.

[Ben Marshall]

No, no. But feeling old. I'm like. I was just thinking about the pandemic being six years ago, and it made me about that. So upset. I'm feeling old. I have sisters who are still in high school, half sisters.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

And I was just hanging out with them in Savannah, Georgia, where I'm from.

[Jake]

Do they think you're so cool?

[Ben Marshall]

No.

[Jake]

What?

[Ben Marshall]

I mean, maybe. I don't know.

[Jake]

They definitely do.

[Ben Marshall]

I think they like it. It's fun. But they're also like. Like, they think I'm unk and I'm chopped and, you know, what does that

[Jake]

even Mean, you know, what is that. Is that what people say when they're old?

[Ben Marshall]

They're like, six, seven Uncas chops. No.

[Jake]

Well, you know, there's a. There's a new one.

[Ben Marshall]

What?

[Jake]

41.

[Ben Marshall]

What's that?

[Jake]

It's not new. Why do you know about.

[Ben Marshall]

What is 41? No.

[Jake]

41. That's what they do. 6, 7, 41.

[Ben Marshall]

Do you think I'm. I'm chopped, Unk.

[Jake]

No. Do you think I'm chopped Unk.

[Ben Marshall]

No. Jake, I keep telling you, you're 26. You have your whole life ahead of you. I love you, man.

[Jake]

I. You know what, Ben? Like, I actually. I love you, too.

[Ben Marshall]

I love you.

[Jake]

I love you.

[Ben Marshall]

And you don't know why we're fighting.

[Jake]

No, we're not. Can we make up?

[Ben Marshall]

Let's make up. I went low.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

You know what I think the problem is? I didn't speak out loud before this today.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

And so I think I'm just shaking the rest.

[Jake]

No, shake it off. Like, we have all the time in the world.

[Ben Marshall]

Our watch fell off.

[Jake]

Oh, put. Put that back on. Is that vintage?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. I want to put it over there. No, no, keep yours. Keep yours. Do you want to trade?

[Jake]

Should we trade?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Jake]

Okay, so let's.

[Ben Marshall]

Do you have a lot? You have a collection.

[Jake]

Yours is gorgeous. I want this one.

[Ben Marshall]

I will trade you in a heartbeat.

[Jake]

How do I put this on?

[Ben Marshall]

How do I put yours on? That one got kind of up. You kind of have to.

[Jake]

Where'd you get this, Jake? No. And let me see it on you, Jake. It looks amazing on you.

[Ben Marshall]

Stunning.

[Jake]

Will you put this on me?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. So. Okay, here, let me fix it, and then I'll put it on you.

[Jake]

Ooh, this looks really good on me. Will you put it on upside down?

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, I'm sorry. This is stunning, Jake.

[Jake]

Wow. Look at us.

[Ben Marshall]

I think we should trade.

[Jake]

No.

[Ben Marshall]

God. We haven't said one thing we can keep.

[Jake]

We really haven't. You should have said. I don't. I said to you before this. Do you not want to talk about anything?

[Ben Marshall]

Totally. And I was like, I'm an open book.

[Jake]

Yeah, that is what you said.

[Ben Marshall]

And so far, I haven't said anything.

[Jake]

Okay, so should we just start this all over? Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

This is so cool,

[Jake]

Ben.

[Ben Marshall]

Hey, Jake.

[Jake]

Ben. I love your watch. I can't see it, but I know it's under there. Do you like mine?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, it's great. Looks cheaper than this one.

[Jake]

I don't know. It's vintage. Yeah, but I guess it looks vintage, too.

[Ben Marshall]

This one's Gorgeous.

[Jake]

Possibly from the year 1994.

[Ben Marshall]

Is that true?

[Jake]

It looks it.

[Ben Marshall]

Yours you probably haggled for in the Diamond District.

[Jake]

Is that what you did?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And you got this. You haggled for this in the Diamond District and you got this?

[Ben Marshall]

Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I just. I bought it and I was kind of negotiated the price.

[Jake]

Where in the Diamond District?

[Ben Marshall]

I want to go like, right by 30 Rock. They have like a bunch of watch places. How was the Broadway show you did?

[Jake]

It was great.

[Ben Marshall]

I can't believe I haven't seen it. I'm so embarrassed. I am, like, the biggest Simon Rich fan ever.

[Jake]

Yeah, he's awesome.

[Ben Marshall]

He's amazing.

[Jake]

He's awesome.

[Ben Marshall]

He would come back and be, like, a guest writer when Mulaney would host. And he's so funny and so nice.

[Jake]

It was like the best experience of my entire life.

[Ben Marshall]

Really?

[Jake]

Yeah, it was really, like, the best experience of my entire life.

[Ben Marshall]

Wow.

[Jake]

It was so cool. I learned so much. Really, like, so much, like, from Ray Romano, too. Like, the way he, like, he's so, like, smart with, like, how he, like, works a crowd.

[Ben Marshall]

Did you. Did you, like, study acting or anything?

[Jake]

No, no, I did an acting class in college and I was in my senior year play. And I was in my sixth grade play. In my eighth grade play.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, that's a lot.

[Jake]

Yeah, so I guess somewhat. No, I didn't study it. I studied it by watching television.

[Ben Marshall]

So you learned a lot from Ray Romano?

[Jake]

Yeah, like, a lot. Like, really? For every night before the show, he would wait by the monitor and you

[Ben Marshall]

remind me of Ray Romano.

[Jake]

No, I don't. And the thing is. I said no, I don't. But I thought you were about to, like, double down.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, you wanted me to go. No, seriously, listen. No, you don't at all.

[Jake]

So he would wait by the monitor every night, like, as the show. Like, there was like, a monitor that shows the audience. Yeah, no, that shows the show.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh.

[Jake]

Like, but we would be off to the side.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And there were certain cues he would wait for and, like, depending on how loud the cheer was. And he, like, rated the shows each night.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, wow.

[Jake]

He was, like, super specific and technical

[Ben Marshall]

about, like, how hot the crowd was.

[Jake]

Like, how. Yeah, like how much to give and, like, wow. If they were. And if someone was stepping on a line, he would say, you like. Like. He was very specific.

[Ben Marshall]

Whoa.

[Jake]

That's really good.

[Ben Marshall]

That's awesome.

[Jake]

Yeah, he's awesome.

[Ben Marshall]

Who else did it?

[Jake]

Nick and Jenny Slate.

[Ben Marshall]

That's it?

[Jake]

Yeah, it was us four.

[Ben Marshall]

It was Just the four of you?

[Jake]

Yes. And the.

[Ben Marshall]

And so cool.

[Jake]

And the band. Lawrence. It was really fun. It was really fun. It was like, seriously, like, I felt such a sense of purpose, and I

[Ben Marshall]

can never see it. Did you film it?

[Jake]

Yeah. I'm sure they filmed one of the nights.

[Ben Marshall]

I would love to see it.

[Jake]

It was really, really fun. And. And. And when, like, we. And like, sometimes we'd have, like, a night where, like, we would just go, like, completely off script, really? And it was really fun.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, it's the best.

[Jake]

It was. Louis saw it eight times.

[Ben Marshall]

Really? Was it different every time or you got kind of sick of it?

[Louise]

It was like, it was the same every time, but the improv was always a bit different. Like, I still laughed every night.

[Ben Marshall]

Wow, that's cool. That's the. Our live shows are kind of like that.

[Jake]

It's like, I want to come. I want to.

[Ben Marshall]

We're doing. I think we're doing some more this summer. You should come. Oh, no, I mean, like, the. Please don't Destroy live shows where we're doing, like, sketches and touring and stuff.

[Jake]

So you do tour and you do

[Ben Marshall]

do live shows, but I don't do stand up, like, solo. This is about my life. Like, me, Martin and John do, like, a live sketch show.

[Jake]

How did you guys meet?

[Ben Marshall]

College. John and I were on the NYU sketch group Hammer Cats together, and then Martin and I were doing open mics. So you did do stand up in college?

[Jake]

Yeah. But you said you've never done standard.

[Ben Marshall]

Let's. Let's check the tape back.

[Jake]

He didn't say that.

[Ben Marshall]

No, I did. I did in college, and I'm kind of interested in doing it again. Should we go to smoke mics?

[Jake]

I would go with you.

[Ben Marshall]

That would be fun. Okay.

[Jake]

Should we go together? We have to go together.

[Ben Marshall]

Let's do it.

[Jake]

And we just get up there.

[Ben Marshall]

And by the way, as two people who are, like, in comedy, like, you

[Jake]

know, you would classify me in that genre.

[Ben Marshall]

100%.

[Jake]

Thank you.

[Ben Marshall]

You wouldn't.

[Jake]

A lot of people wouldn't.

[Ben Marshall]

I think that if me and you were like, we're gonna start doing stand up and we start sending each other jokes and going to open mics together, that could be really fun and really good.

[Jake]

Are you, like, fucking with me?

[Ben Marshall]

Not at all.

[Jake]

I have your number.

[Ben Marshall]

I have your number.

[Jake]

So what are you watching on TV right now?

[Ben Marshall]

I don't really watch tv. I'm just kidding. I feel like I'm saying that kind of answered all your questions. What am I watching? I'm going to really Ask myself, have you seen the show Hijack on Apple? Idris Elba?

[Jake]

No, but I've heard it's great.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, my God.

[Jake]

What's it about again?

[Ben Marshall]

The first season is. Is him dealing with hijackers on a plane. And there's a season two, and then season two. The end of the first episode is, I'm hijacking this train and he's the hijacker. My girlfriend and I watch it together and joke that we don't remember one single piece of information that's being communicated. Do you ever do that? Do you ever just watch tv? Like, it's just colors and sounds and you're just like. But you're not taking in any. Really?

[Jake]

I love tv. You watch Survivor? No, I just started.

[Ben Marshall]

Really?

[Jake]

It's awesome.

[Ben Marshall]

So much.

[Jake]

Well, I'm not gonna, like, watch all 50 seasons. Sorry. Yeah, I'm just watching season 50.

[Ben Marshall]

Do you watch SNL?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Ben Marshall]

When was the last time you think you watched a full episode of snl?

[Jake]

Like a full, full, full episode?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. Ever.

[Jake]

I watched the Glenn one. I was there.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, yeah. But I mean, at home.

[Jake]

At home, I watched the. I watched The Connor Story 1.

[Ben Marshall]

You did the full thing?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, great. Super fun episode. Love him.

[Jake]

Yeah. He is so nice.

[Ben Marshall]

He rocks.

[Jake]

Yeah. Was he just a pleasure to work with?

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, my God, the best.

[Jake]

Oh, he seems it.

[Ben Marshall]

He was awesome. Hudson was really cool, too.

[Jake]

Oh, yes. He was there. Okay, so. But, like, to recap, we have basketball plans.

[Ben Marshall]

We have basketball.

[Jake]

We have improv plans.

[Ben Marshall]

Yep.

[Jake]

And we have open mic plans. I say the way we should prioritize these things is that open mic comes first.

[Ben Marshall]

Of course.

[Jake]

I think we will. Like, do you drink? Yeah, let's just drink.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And do it.

[Ben Marshall]

Seems fun.

[Jake]

Yeah, it seems so fun. So, like, what. But do you. Are you gonna prepare jokes or, like, do we just go up and do it?

[Ben Marshall]

No, I think. Yeah, I think you got to prepare jokes.

[Jake]

So how would you prepare a joke?

[Ben Marshall]

I don't know. I'd probably look at all the notes in my phone. I have, like. Do you write jokes in your phone?

[Jake]

No, I write stories in my phone. And I have, like.

[Ben Marshall]

Well, that works.

[Jake]

I have, like, an album of photos called Stories.

[Ben Marshall]

Should we pull up a good story or joke from our phone or. No.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay. Oh, this is. This is somewhat funny.

[Jake]

Okay, so what's your story?

[Ben Marshall]

When I was back home in Savannah watching March Madness with my dad, he just kept going, that's a big boy. How big is that boy?

[Jake]

Wait, sorry, I thought that was.

[Ben Marshall]

Do you Know what March Madness is? It's the basketball tournament.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

And my dad would just keep looking at, like, the players. Players. And being like, big boy. I feel like dads love how big, big guys can.

[Jake]

Oh, you're making the joke. Oh. Because now the joke is coming. Oh, I see. Oh, my God. I love how the. Okay. Wow. Because now the joke is like, I feel like dads.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

Wow, that's really beautiful.

[Ben Marshall]

Crazy vibe between us, Jake.

[Jake]

Okay, so someone once messaged me on Grindr, Salut Sava. Because I was in France. France. And I responded, cava.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh. And then now's the joke. That's what you did. That's what you did to me. That's what you did to me.

[Jake]

Someone once DM me. Hello. I deliver semi trucks across the country, and I have a YouTube travel channel. I have countless stories of my travels. Some are meth in the coffee pot of Ecno Lodge, waking up to an electrical fire in my room, paying 1,000 per night for a room for just a few hours. If y' all are interested, I'd love to have a call to see if we would vibe on an episode.

[Ben Marshall]

I think you should do that.

[Jake]

Oh, this is my favorite. I got a random dm. I stopped everyone from saying Jake Shane at Harry Potter and the Cursed Child tonight, by the way. Why was that even happening?

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, my God. Did you Harry Potter?

[Jake]

No, I never respond. I think I. I honestly might have. I'm going to reach back out to her because. Why was that happening?

[Ben Marshall]

It was on the precipice of happening. The whole crowd wanted to say fuck

[Jake]

out of Harry Potter.

[Ben Marshall]

Hey, guys, we shouldn't. We shouldn't. Seriously, Isn't that crazy? Insane.

[Jake]

Harry Potter.

[Ben Marshall]

And then to tell you that, like, you'd be happy.

[Jake]

Like, I mean, like, I laughed for sure, but I've never. It was one of the more wild DMS I've ever received. Do you get wild dms?

[Ben Marshall]

Should I look at my deal? How do I have Instagram blocked?

[Jake]

You have Instagram blocked?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

What do you mean? You use the brick.

[Ben Marshall]

I have an app that blocks social media. And then you can, like, snooze it and then. But every time you do it, it takes longer, so it's harder and harder to do nothing.

[Jake]

So what's your favorite restaurant? Nothing.

[Ben Marshall]

Even, like, you don't want to just say, like, oh, that's interesting.

[Jake]

Favorite SNL skate you've ever done? Um, were you in the haircut one?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Love that one.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, I like it. Ashley's so funny.

[Jake]

She's incredible.

[Ben Marshall]

That was a great one. And then. But I broke, I broke in that sketch during dress and then they posted that online. Does any of what I'm saying mean

[Jake]

anything to you during dress rehearsal?

[Ben Marshall]

During dress rehearsal, I started laughing.

[Jake]

I didn't see that.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay.

[Jake]

Because I saw the final three. Sad Virgins is amazing.

[Ben Marshall]

Thanks, Jake.

[Jake]

What was it like to work with Taylor Swift?

[Ben Marshall]

It was amazing.

[Jake]

Were you like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm working with Taylor Swift.

[Ben Marshall]

I could not. It was, it was like maybe five weeks into me working there four weeks. And I was just like, what the hell was that?

[Jake]

When she was promoting Red Taylor's version and she did all too well.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

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[Ben Marshall]

I'm now, like, scared.

[Jake]

Scared for who?

[Ben Marshall]

Both of us.

[Jake]

Me too.

[Ben Marshall]

What are people gonna think when they listen to this? Are they gonna go, Jesus, Jake's always. You have a podcast. You're. You do this all the time. People love the show. You're so good at conversation to have somebody on who it's just coming. Screeching.

[Jake]

You know what it is?

[Ben Marshall]

What?

[Jake]

You like to talk. You like to talk. And that's. And I like.

[Ben Marshall]

I don't.

[Jake]

And I like to talk. And that's what we both want to do right now. So we're skirting around the fact that all we want to do is gossip.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay. I guess that would be fun.

[Jake]

Just to talk.

[Ben Marshall]

Shit, yeah. I would love to hear.

[Jake]

That's why we keep making plans for outside of this.

[Ben Marshall]

Like, if someone listens to this, like what? Like a fan of yours who doesn't really know me. Oh, it's a guy from snl. Interesting. I wonder what he's like. You know, they're gonna click on this and they're gonna go, the fuck is that guy's problem? No, I don't think so.

[Jake]

Can you help?

[Ben Marshall]

You know what? Maybe we could have, like, a drink.

[Jake]

I have no drinks.

[Ben Marshall]

Cool.

[Jake]

I have no food and I have no drinks. I have Celsius and water and pretzels.

[Ben Marshall]

That's okay.

[Jake]

You want a pretzel?

[Ben Marshall]

I'm okay.

[Jake]

Right.

[Ben Marshall]

Thank you.

[Jake]

Okay. Do you have adhd?

[Ben Marshall]

No. Do you?

[Jake]

Oh, yes.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay.

[Jake]

I just thought maybe we both had it and that's why this was.

[Ben Marshall]

No, but you're. You're very anxious.

[Jake]

Very.

[Ben Marshall]

I'm very anxious, too.

[Jake]

Like, how does your anxiety, like, work manifest?

[Ben Marshall]

Very physical. Very, like, stomach aches. Wow. Sweating. I get vertigo.

[Jake]

Oh, you do?

[Ben Marshall]

Dizzy. Yeah.

[Jake]

Oh, I feel it in the back of my neck.

[Ben Marshall]

Really?

[Jake]

Yeah. Feel it in, like, my mouth sometimes. I do, too.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I feel it in my gums.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, me too.

[Jake]

But I felt. I feel it a lot in the back of my neck right now.

[Ben Marshall]

Do you?

[Jake]

No.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay, me neither. I don't.

[Jake]

So maybe we're not anxious.

[Ben Marshall]

I think we're fine.

[Jake]

I think we're fine.

[Ben Marshall]

I think we're both, like, really worried about making a good episode.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Ben Marshall]

Coming off great.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Ben Marshall]

And we just need to. To just be ourselves.

[Jake]

Let's just be ourselves. So who is you?

[Ben Marshall]

I'm Ben. I am from Savannah, Georgia. I'm. I, like. I work at snl.

[Jake]

You are a ginger.

[Ben Marshall]

I'm a ginger.

[Jake]

Proud.

[Ben Marshall]

Proud.

[Jake]

Do you want to have ginger babies?

[Ben Marshall]

I'd be fine with it.

[Jake]

What do you think, like, is the most. What do you think is the most misunderstood thing about, like, gingers?

[Ben Marshall]

I. I don't know if there's really anything to, like, clear up about gingers. I think we're not all the same. So I can't. I can't speak on behalf of anybody but myself.

[Jake]

I hate being short. Really hate. I hate it.

[Ben Marshall]

How tall are you?

[Jake]

Gas?

[Ben Marshall]

Five. Six.

[Jake]

What? I'm five three.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, really?

[Jake]

Yeah. Oh, do I give off, like, tall energy?

[Ben Marshall]

I don't think five' six is very tall.

[Jake]

Okay, well,

[Ben Marshall]

you're five' three. Yeah, I'm six' five.

[Jake]

I know.

[Ben Marshall]

Wow. Maybe that's what it is.

[Jake]

That just, like, we're so uncomfortable in our height difference. You're, like, over a foot taller than me.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

That is pretty crazy.

[Ben Marshall]

Wow. Okay. Why do you hate being short?

[Jake]

I just. I feel very stocky.

[Ben Marshall]

You have leg room on planes.

[Jake]

It doesn't matter. I'd rather not have the leg room and feel better.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

So you never gave me your favorite restaurant in New York.

[Ben Marshall]

I said the Burrito place.

[Jake]

Yeah, you dead. Well, closed.

[Ben Marshall]

It closed.

[Jake]

So what's your favorite one that's open? Oh, my God.

[Ben Marshall]

You need to chill out. There's a place called Elmitote that I go sometimes. It's good. I don't know. I'm not.

[Jake]

What type of food is that?

[Ben Marshall]

It's Mexican food.

[Jake]

Is that your favorite type of food?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, I like it.

[Jake]

Have you ever been to ABC Cocina?

[Ben Marshall]

No.

[Jake]

Oh, so good.

[Ben Marshall]

Where is that?

[Jake]

East 19th.

[Ben Marshall]

I like food, but I don't know much about, like, rest. I'm, like, not tapped into the scene.

[Jake]

Okay, so let's get into the Tell me what's wrong, shall we?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Jake]

Like, are you gonna leave here with, like, scaries? Yeah, me, too.

[Ben Marshall]

I like. I'm like, what? What are we gonna do?

[Jake]

What's wrong with us?

[Ben Marshall]

I don't know.

[Jake]

Is it my fault or is it your fault?

[Ben Marshall]

I'm not trying to blame you, Jake, but I am saying stuff and you're going, really?

[Jake]

That's what I'm doing.

[Ben Marshall]

You've done that a bunch. You're like, as if the answer I have. I've given you is not satisfactory.

[Jake]

And you're like, okay, so your favorite restaurant is this Mexican place. What do you get there?

[Ben Marshall]

Why are we talking about this? Because we're, like, two hours into a podcast. Why are you asking me my favorite restaurant? We have so much in common. There's. We have.

[Jake]

What do we have?

[Ben Marshall]

We have.

[Jake]

Okay, Paul. Paul.

[Ben Marshall]

We have so many others.

[Jake]

Marcelo.

[Ben Marshall]

Marcelo.

[Jake]

Who else?

[Ben Marshall]

Veronica.

[Jake]

Love her. Kyle.

[Ben Marshall]

Kyle.

[Jake]

Who else?

[Ben Marshall]

Glenn Powell.

[Jake]

You guys are buddies, are you? Yes.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Is he the best?

[Ben Marshall]

He's really great.

[Jake]

He's the best.

[Ben Marshall]

I was just in Savannah, and he's shooting a movie down there.

[Jake]

Yes. The country singer.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

And I think I'm going to try to see him when I go down there for my sister's graduation.

[Jake]

Your half sister?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Were you, like, a good student at school?

[Ben Marshall]

I was pretty good student.

[Jake]

Like, what was your GPA when you graduated in high school? Excluding APs.

[Ben Marshall]

High school?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

Probably 4.0.

[Jake]

You're lying.

[Ben Marshall]

I was a pretty good student. What was yours? Maybe it was low. I don't know. A's. I got A's.

[Jake]

I got. Well, I was really bad my freshman year because I didn't, like, understand the concept of having to like, because my middle school didn't grade us.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh.

[Jake]

Like, we didn't get grades. We got, like, behavior grades.

[Ben Marshall]

Huh.

[Jake]

And then, so I didn't really, like, once we got to ninth grade, like, I couldn't pick up on the fact that I was getting, like, legitimate grades now, like. Like, in middle school, I just wouldn't do my homework.

[Ben Marshall]

Right.

[Jake]

And then. So I really struggled. And then I got back on track, and I had, like, a 4.0, my 11th grade and 12th grade.

[Ben Marshall]

Whoa. And you went to USC? I read your Wikipedia. I wanted to go to USC so bad, and I didn't get in, so. You're smarter than me.

[Jake]

I can get into nyu. Really? Yeah. I cried when you didn't get in to usc.

[Ben Marshall]

Isn't that embarrassing? No.

[Jake]

I thought. I didn't get in. My doorman was. I was in L. A, and I was calling my doorman because, you know, you get the package.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And I was like, did anything come in the mail? And he was like, no. And I was like, cool. So this is really bad for me because it was the only place I wanted to go to.

[Ben Marshall]

And look at us now.

[Jake]

Do you feel like we're, like, invisible stringing?

[Ben Marshall]

What's that?

[Jake]

Like, to each other and to friendship with each other?

[Ben Marshall]

What does that mean?

[Jake]

It's like, we've gone down such different paths, but I feel so, like, kindred spirit with you.

[Ben Marshall]

We're mirrors of each other a little bit. Yeah.

[Jake]

Like, I'm short, you're tall.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. Yeah. We're cut. We complement each other.

[Jake]

Like, you didn't get into USC. I didn't get into NYU. Yeah, you're on SNL and I'm not.

[Ben Marshall]

You're 26. I'm unk. I'm chopped. Unk.

[Jake]

What is chopped? Unk?

[Ben Marshall]

Ugly old guy.

[Jake]

That's what that means, I think, right?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

What, is that from, like, Fortnite, is it?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, pretty much. Oh.

[Jake]

Oh, you watch Dreamers?

[Ben Marshall]

No, this is my sister. My sisters who are in high school or the ones who are calling me unc, they say.

[Jake]

Your unc?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. That's a joke.

[Jake]

Yo. Your ankh.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

What was, like, a term in high school that you used?

[Ben Marshall]

Swag.

[Jake]

No, for real.

[Ben Marshall]

It was the swag era. I graduated in 2013.

[Jake]

Be like, that's so swag. I guess we use lit.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, lit is worse to me what swag is. I. I'm like. I stand by it.

[Jake]

I guess so. I mean, it stands the test of time. Justin Bieber released two albums named after it.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Swag. One or swag two.

[Ben Marshall]

I called Harry Styles swaggy earlier in person. Agreed. No, you were in the bathroom.

[Jake]

Oh, okay.

[Ben Marshall]

It's moments like that that are the problem.

[Jake]

Right, Right. It's like, what, I don't have anything to say back?

[Ben Marshall]

Or is it that you just think I'm being uninteresting?

[Jake]

No, I think you're very interesting.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay.

[Jake]

Do you want to play the game where we can see if we can say the same thing at the same time?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Because I've done this before.

[Ben Marshall]

Mind milled.

[Jake]

Mind melt? Is that what it's called?

[Ben Marshall]

I think so.

[Jake]

Okay. Okay, we'll. 1, 2, 3, and then we'll do it. I feel like I'm reheating my role model nachos, but ready?

[Ben Marshall]

Yes.

[Jake]

One, two, three. Candle.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, sorry. It came fast, so we're just going from anything.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay, ready?

[Jake]

One. You have to say it with me.

[Ben Marshall]

Yep.

[Jake]

Okay. Do you have your one. Do you. Wait, hold on. Okay. Do you have your word?

[Ben Marshall]

Yep.

[Jake]

One, two, three.

[Ben Marshall]

Was school.

[Jake]

Okay. One, two, three.

[Ben Marshall]

Rolex. Oh, Rolex.

[Jake]

Unk.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay.

[Jake]

One, two, three.

[Ben Marshall]

Vintage.

[Jake]

You suck for that. You did it. So delayed.

[Ben Marshall]

I swear that was what I was gonna say the whole time because that

[Jake]

could have been such a beautiful. It was a beautiful moment, but it wasn't. Let's play again. I won't play again. Okay, ready? And you need to say it. Five stars. You need to say it faster.

[Ben Marshall]

We got there.

[Jake]

Why? Do you have a word?

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, my God. Yes.

[Jake]

1, 2, 3. Water. Lamp. Water. 1, 2, 3. Celsius. Lava lamp. Celsius. 1, 2, 3.

[Ben Marshall]

Retro.

[Jake]

What?

[Ben Marshall]

Energy.

[Jake]

Retro energy. 1, 2, 3.

[Ben Marshall]

Live.

[Jake]

Okay. 1, 2, 3.

[Ben Marshall]

Hydrated.

[Jake]

Dehydrated.

[Ben Marshall]

Dehydrated latte. Okay.

[Jake]

1, 2, three. Water. Milk. I think I said water already. Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

How quick did you enroll? Model.

[Jake]

Get it pretty quick.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

One. Right.

[Ben Marshall]

What did we do? Oat. Milk and water.

[Jake]

Yeah. One, two, three. Milk. One, two, three. Cashew milk. One, two, three. Soy milk.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay. Okay.

[Jake]

Okay, I have one. One, two, three, two. Jake, I don't even want to look at you right now. Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

The sun.

[Jake]

Oh, I have one. I have one. Wait, do you have a milk? Do you have a milk? No, there's not many left.

[Ben Marshall]

I've. We've said all of them. This is a dairy.

[Louise]

Milk.

[Ben Marshall]

Yep.

[Jake]

One, two, three. Pistachio. What? Okay. Ah, I think we're out of milks, aren't we?

[Ben Marshall]

Let's leave milk.

[Jake]

Okay, let's leave milk. Start over.

[Ben Marshall]

Yep.

[Jake]

One, two, three. Blankets.

[Ben Marshall]

Yep.

[Jake]

Socks. Blanket.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay, hold on. Ready?

[Jake]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. One, two, three. Okay, okay. One, two, three.

[Ben Marshall]

Loafers.

[Jake]

One, two, three. Cracks. One, two, three.

[Ben Marshall]

Sandals. Oh. Oh, my God. We did get vintage, though. Fast.

[Jake]

We got vintage, but you it up and that's okay.

[Ben Marshall]

Great job, Jake. We did it.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. I'm having a good time with you.

[Ben Marshall]

You too.

[Jake]

Like, this is like we're friends.

[Ben Marshall]

Because if we record four hours, we might have 30 minutes we can use.

[Jake]

So I've been.

[Ben Marshall]

Huh?

[Jake]

Sorry. So I've been in and out of the same relationship for four years now. We met in college and we just can't seem to keep. Sorry, let me restart. So I've been in and out of the same relationship for four years now. We met in college, and we just can't seem to keep going back to each other, even though we know it never works out. He's a liar and I'm an enabler. I know he will never be able to be the person I need at the end of the day. But when we don't talk, I get scared. How do I regain my independence? I feel this.

[Ben Marshall]

I feel like I've been there before. I think it's. It. That's very relatable. To want to cling to something you know is wrong. Because what you have is. Is, you know, less scary than the unknown. And I think that I just had a thought.

[Jake]

What I prescribe Every Time by Ariana Grande, the song why, oh, why do I keep going back to you every time?

[Ben Marshall]

Yes. Thank you. Next. By the way.

[Jake]

No, not. This is not thank you, next behavior. This is Every Time.

[Ben Marshall]

I mean, here's.

[Jake]

Am I wrong, Louise?

[Ben Marshall]

Here's what I'll say. That I could maybe teach you about improv. Yes. And Right. Because everything I'm saying, you're going, no, no, Wrong.

[Jake]

Well, yes. And there's a song by her. Did you know that? Yes. And really? Yeah. You didn't know that and you just said that. That's beautiful.

[Ben Marshall]

That's amazing.

[Jake]

Yeah. Every time off Sweetener.

[Ben Marshall]

I would say you. You know, like, you can tell she knows what she has to do.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

But, like, she's already made up her mind. She's like, I know. I don't want to be with this person. Okay, rip the band aid off.

[Jake]

But why, oh, why totally does she keep going back to him?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. Thank you. Next.

[Jake]

No, back to you.

[Ben Marshall]

Just let me have it.

[Jake]

Okay, fine. Thank you. Next. Oh, I think you would love Every Time by Ariana Grande. That's like my Hyper Fixation.

[Ben Marshall]

I love Ariana Grande.

[Jake]

That album By I mean now I'm just gonna start talking about Ariana Grande. I prescribed to this girl. Ariana Grande. Ariana Grande lays it out flat. Like there's no if, ands or buts with her.

[Ben Marshall]

Yes.

[Jake]

Like she just kind of says it.

[Ben Marshall]

She's like, this is what I'm feeling.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

You're not guessing. What is this about?

[Jake]

No, except for we can't be friends. That's up to interpretation. Is it about the fans?

[Ben Marshall]

She's one of my all time favorite SNL hosts.

[Jake]

Wow. Tell me why.

[Ben Marshall]

Amazingly, amazingly talented and nice and cool.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. I. That is so awesome to hear.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Tell me more.

[Ben Marshall]

She's just like. I mean, she could be on the cast and would be the best person on the cast. You can do impressions that are like, crazy good. She just commits to everything. She's just funny and nice and awesome. Wow.

[Jake]

Yeah, I love her.

[Ben Marshall]

She's so cool. Also, she'll like. She watches the show and you like an episode that she's not involved with at all. If I did a sketch that she likes, she'll be like, that was so funny.

[Jake]

Right. And it's cool to hear from her because she's Ariana Grande.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And do you have like a memory with her that you hold?

[Ben Marshall]

We did an Espresso Martini sketch together. Do you see it? What. What's. What's it about?

[Jake]

Espresso Martinis.

[Ben Marshall]

And what's the kind of the take?

[Jake]

The. The comic take. What's the comic take on Espresso Martinez? Yeah, the comic take on that sketch.

[Ben Marshall]

It's okay, you don't have to lie.

[Jake]

I prescribe Ariana Grande. Specifically the song. Every time. Do you prescribe anything?

[Ben Marshall]

I love the way you say prescribe.

[Jake]

Yeah, prescribe, prescribe, prescribe, prescribe, prescribe.

[Ben Marshall]

I like that.

[Jake]

It's puss Scribe.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh,

[Jake]

you thought I had a speech impediment.

[Ben Marshall]

I thought it was like your New York accent.

[Jake]

No, but I do say some things with my New York accent.

[Ben Marshall]

Post scribe.

[Jake]

I say orange horror.

[Ben Marshall]

I'm humiliated.

[Jake]

How do you say caramel? Caramel. Caramel.

[Ben Marshall]

You know what? I just don't like to say it.

[Jake]

I hate that.

[Ben Marshall]

That's a disaster waiting to happen.

[Jake]

I hate caramel.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, I don't really like it either.

[Jake]

What? Yeah, I would peg you for someone that loves it.

[Ben Marshall]

Why?

[Jake]

Don't know.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, I guess we don't know each

[Jake]

other that well, but I'm like, so excited to get to know, you know,

[Ben Marshall]

we're going to go over my screen, play basketball. We're Going to do improv. We're going to edit the episode together and it's going to take some time, but we're. When do you think this is going to run?

[Jake]

Do you want it to run? Never.

[Ben Marshall]

No, I wanted to run.

[Jake]

I wanted to run.

[Ben Marshall]

I love it. I'm. The more that it's. I'm like, this is.

[Jake]

This is awesome. Yeah, I'm having a great time. Are you?

[Ben Marshall]

Yes. But just having to say that is very funny. This is awesome. I'm having a great time.

[Jake]

I am having a great time. Are you guys having a good time? It's.

[Ben Marshall]

Again, she's getting so pressured. She's like, it's good.

[Jake]

I've been with my boyfriend for two years. As long as I have known him. His breath is horrid. It smells like cat wet food. Some days worse than others. And I always scooch away and he moves closer. Help. I'm not sure if it's the Zins or what. It's not the Zins. I love him and he's great to me, but is it a deal breaker? And how do I bring it up?

[Ben Marshall]

I always scooch away and he moves closer. With your boyfriend? That's insane. You can't just be trying to scooch away from your boyfriend at all times. You gotta just. You gotta rip the band aid off again. These people know what they have to do. They just need someone to tell them. Tell them. It's actually kinder to say, hey, man, your breath smells. Breath smell like ass. Like, straight up cat stank wet food. I'm scooching away from you.

[Jake]

Do you prescribe Listerine?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. Just buying like 10 bottles of Listerine and leaving them around the house, not saying anything about it and just being

[Jake]

like, huh, that's nice teeth.

[Ben Marshall]

Thank you.

[Jake]

Do you take care of them? Well. You floss.

[Ben Marshall]

I floss, but I've had a lot of cavities.

[Jake]

I've never had one. And my teeth are just so horrendous.

[Ben Marshall]

I never had one my whole life. And then I switched dentists and they went, you have 12 cavities and you need a root canal and a crown.

[Jake]

Shut up.

[Ben Marshall]

You have nice teeth now.

[Jake]

They're small and yellow.

[Ben Marshall]

Don't talk that way about my friend Jake.

[Jake]

Okay? My current situation. Ship wants to buy this romantic painting kit thing where we fuck on a canvas covered in paint and then let it dry. Oh, that.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh, my God.

[Jake]

That sounds awesome. That doesn't sound awesome to you?

[Ben Marshall]

It sounds like a hassle.

[Jake]

He talks about knowing the perfect place for it in his apartment. Like, we've been hooking up for six months. So it's not new new, but is this a serial killer? Red flag. Thanks. Let me know. No, I actually think that's beautiful. And if I was in a situationship with someone and they were like, I want to you on a canvas with paint and then hang it in my apartment, I would be like, I have found the one. Really? Yep.

[Ben Marshall]

I think it's a serial killer thing.

[Jake]

Why? It's art.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay.

[Jake]

Why. Why do you think that?

[Ben Marshall]

I. I don't know. I'm just like. Can we just like, enjoy the moment with each other? What. What do we need to get paints involved for?

[Jake]

It's cool.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay.

[Jake]

I mean, they don't have to do it. I'm just like. I mean, if.

[Ben Marshall]

You know what? You know what? Maybe I'm being approved.

[Jake]

No, you're not being approved.

[Ben Marshall]

Go for it.

[Jake]

I don't think you're being approved. Okay, I see. What does the audience think if someone brought that up to you guys? Manny just goes,

[Ben Marshall]

I can't help you.

[Jake]

I'm feeling guilty and weird about making a sugar baby account on the sugar daddy website. Oh, don't get me wrong. Some are DILFs, but it feels disingenuous to me, even though I can make good money due doing next to nothing. I'm in my late 20s too, so I'm not gullible or anything like that. It's just a moral dilemma thing. Don't have it. Do. Like, don't have the moral dilemma. Do it.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, I don't care. Do it. Do. No, I mean, like. Like, I don't know. Who cares? Like, right?

[Jake]

I mean, do whatever you want. If you're worried about people finding out, they won't.

[Ben Marshall]

You don't.

[Jake]

I mean, yeah, unless, like, your friend's dad is on it. And then like, that's on your friend's dad, not you. You're just trying to get a check.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. Is it like, are you. Do you feel actually guilty? Like you're doing something wrong or like you fear other people's judgment?

[Jake]

I think that's she's saying she has a moral dilemma, but I don't think

[Ben Marshall]

there's anything morally wrong.

[Jake]

There's nothing morally wrong. Do you know that prostitution is the world's oldest profession?

[Ben Marshall]

I've heard that.

[Jake]

Where have you heard it?

[Ben Marshall]

It's a thing people say.

[Jake]

Well, it was an all out written by Simon Rich.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay. And you thought that he was the first person to write.

[Jake]

No, it was just like this. It was this I got it.

[Ben Marshall]

God, I would. I. I wish I could see that.

[Jake]

Well, I told you, there's probably a video of. There's a video of when Sarah Silverman did it. That's. I watched that one to, like, prep

[Ben Marshall]

for mine, so were you doing the same show?

[Jake]

Yeah, it's the same show.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

Did you see All In? I didn't get to see it either. You love Broadway?

[Ben Marshall]

No, I like Broadway, but I don't. I don't, like, go like, I'm not

[Jake]

a. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's fine.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

My best friend that I literally consider my sister is so popular at school that now she's even becoming friends with my main ops. She's so personable that she's buddy buddy with people that talk about me. I try to approach conversations with her about how it makes me feel, and I look so insecure. What should I do? She's not your friend. A friend to all is a friend to none.

[Ben Marshall]

You know what I was gonna say?

[Jake]

What?

[Ben Marshall]

I was gonna say you might be a little insecure.

[Jake]

Said that.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, I mean, like, you look into. I'm agreeing. I'm saying you look insecure because you're being insecure and, like, you can't control who someone else is. Is friends with. And. And you have to just kind of like.

[Jake]

Do boys have drama like that too?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Really?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Wow.

[Ben Marshall]

Male friendships are complicated.

[Jake]

What are they?

[Ben Marshall]

Like, you know?

[Jake]

Nope, I don't.

[Ben Marshall]

Do you have guy friends?

[Jake]

I've gave guy friends.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay. I think that people's feelings get hurt just as often, and we just maybe don't communicate about it as. As well.

[Jake]

Are you a crier?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. I mean, from time to time, I

[Jake]

feel like you're a really good person.

[Ben Marshall]

Wow, that's really nice. Thank you.

[Jake]

Yeah. I feel that from you. You have good.

[Ben Marshall]

Thank you.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

I feel that you're a really good person.

[Jake]

Well, now you're just saying that because I just said that.

[Ben Marshall]

That's true.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

But I do think you seem like a really nice person and guy. And what's our advice for this?

[Jake]

A friend to all is a friend to none. You should no longer be friends with this girl.

[Ben Marshall]

So are you're, like, fiercely protective of your friends if some. I guess that's true. Right?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

I'm going back on my advice.

[Jake]

Like, my best friend.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Had someone that they didn't like because they.

[Ben Marshall]

And who talks shit.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

I would never go near them. Okay. That's horrible.

[Ben Marshall]

I completely take back what I was saying.

[Jake]

This girl in my Class is talking to my ex and won't stop taking candid pictures of me and sending them to him like, ill grow up. Mind you, the class I have with her is women's studies. So this is insane. I want to her out, but also want to be a bigger person. Blah, blah, blah. How do I handle her in a cunty way? Address it in front of the entire class. That's the cuntiest thing you could do.

[Ben Marshall]

Or you take some of your own pictures.

[Jake]

She'd be like, I don't give a. Who are you sending it to? Not your boyfriend.

[Ben Marshall]

Oh my God.

[Jake]

You address it in front of the entire class.

[Ben Marshall]

You do have that gear in you.

[Jake]

This is what you do. Professors, right there. Professor, I am so sorry. You have been taking photos of me and sending them to my ex boyfriend who you are now with. I have heard about it. If you do it one more time, we are going to have a serious fucking problem. Not only is it creepy, it is invasive and it is the antithesis of. Of what we are trying to learn about here today in women's studies class. And then you sit back down and everyone will just go. And she will feel so mortified and sit in that embarrassment. Pathetic.

[Ben Marshall]

That's amazing.

[Jake]

What? What I just did.

[Ben Marshall]

What you just did is amazing. I would never have the courage to do that.

[Jake]

So I don't know if I would either. Actually, I. I honestly think I would.

[Ben Marshall]

I think you would.

[Jake]

I think I would. Don't you think what I just did was beautiful? And I think that's the way to handle it. You stand up and you say, I'm so sorry, but I have to address this in front of the class so you feel just as embarrassed as you should.

[Ben Marshall]

Wow. I love it.

[Jake]

Take one more photo.

[Ben Marshall]

You'd be a fun, like, guidance counselor.

[Jake]

Oh, my high school guidance counselor, Francesca. Oh, did you say you would be a fun fact?

[Ben Marshall]

You have to be great at it.

[Jake]

Oh, I thought you said who would be a fun one? And I said my high school one, Francesca. She came and saw me in all out.

[Ben Marshall]

Really?

[Jake]

And she saw my Radio City show.

[Ben Marshall]

Would you like, go to her and gossip?

[Jake]

I would go to her, yeah. And gossip. I would cry. I would gossip. She was. She's the. She is the best.

[Ben Marshall]

That's awesome.

[Jake]

She was everyone's favorite.

[Ben Marshall]

I don't even know if we had one.

[Jake]

You didn't know if you had a guidance concert? That's illegal.

[Ben Marshall]

We do. I'm sure we did, but I guess I never interacted.

[Jake]

Wow. I'm like so proud of the performance I just put on.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. You really went for it. I loved it.

[Jake]

I really hope you take that to heart. And you do that. Cause that's mean.

[Ben Marshall]

That's fucking.

[Jake]

Are you sending photos to my accent?

[Ben Marshall]

I feel for that.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

That's crazy.

[Jake]

My friends and I go for monthly dinners, and a few years ago, I had a good job, so I decided to cover the bills. Now I'm pursuing my dreams and living off of savings, but it's still an expectation. And they don't glance at the price of anything and just assume I'll pay. What should I do?

[Ben Marshall]

How is that still an expectation?

[Jake]

You just say, I can't afford to do this anymore.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. These friends are very unaware. I would say, guys, look, I just quit my job. I'm pursuing my dreams. Can you chip in for the eggplant?

[Jake]

Wonder what their dreams are.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, I know.

[Jake]

Do you have any dreams that you haven't pursued yet?

[Ben Marshall]

Podcaster?

[Jake]

You would be an excellent one.

[Ben Marshall]

Thanks. We tried to start a podcast once, and we quit.

[Jake]

What did. What did you call it?

[Ben Marshall]

It was a Please don't destroy podcast.

[Jake]

Okay. Why'd you quit?

[Ben Marshall]

I think we were just like, all right. Pretty anxious about everything we were saying.

[Louise]

See?

[Ben Marshall]

No, totally. I'm not blaming you. I'm. This is my fault. No, Ben, it's okay.

[Jake]

I, like, really think, like, we're gonna pursue a friendship after this.

[Ben Marshall]

I think so, too.

[Jake]

Open mic basketball. What was the third? Improv. Improv, which I'm low key good at.

[Ben Marshall]

And we. We listened to a few episodes of ourselves, and we were, like. Had so many notes and. And it took so long. Like, do you listen to every episode back?

[Jake]

But can I say that that's how it starts? Like, Nolan, do you remember how many notes I would give at the beginning? I would literally be like. I breathed weird. Like, cut it.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. And you just have to break through,

[Jake]

have to keep going.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah. Well, we build.

[Jake]

That's okay. Oh, my God, it's almost your birthday.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, it's coming.

[Jake]

What are you gonna do for your birthday?

[Ben Marshall]

I don't know. I had a. I had, like, a party for my 30th, and I usually don't do much.

[Jake]

I wish we were friends then.

[Ben Marshall]

I know. It was really fun.

[Jake]

Was it really? Did you black out?

[Ben Marshall]

No.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

It was me and my friend Brady. Do you know Brady?

[Jake]

Hi, Brady.

[Ben Marshall]

We had a joint birthday party, and it was great.

[Jake]

Where'd you have it?

[Ben Marshall]

But my girlfriend, like, planned the whole thing, and that was, like, the. I think that's maybe the Nicest thing you can do.

[Jake]

For my birthday, my friends tricked me, told me they were taking me to my favorite restaurant and instead got a hibachi chef to make me hibachi at my house.

[Ben Marshall]

I went to a hibachi restaurant in the Dominican Republic with my family, and it was completely silent. Like, the guy was just making the food in front just, like, cling.

[Jake]

I like serving us.

[Ben Marshall]

I like that there was no music playing. He didn't try to make a show of it at all. It was interesting.

[Jake]

Were you guys, like, all laughing about how silent it was after the fact?

[Ben Marshall]

In the moment? It was, like. It was, like, tense.

[Jake]

What's the hardest you've ever laughed in your life?

[Ben Marshall]

I'm like. I think I'm, like, thinking of this memory of when I was a kid when my dad, like, knocked his cereal bowl into the trash can and said, will bowl me over, and that it's not really a joke or anything, but I don't know why. I laughed harder than I've ever laughed in my life.

[Jake]

That's beautiful.

[Ben Marshall]

It was sweet.

[Jake]

You were so unassuming to the world.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

My friend group got really close last summer during senior year. The guy who always hosted us started liking one of the girls, and things got weird. After a few months, we noticed patterns in his stories and eventually found out he lied about three different people dying tragic deaths for attention. When we confronted him, he admitted it was all fake. Now the friend group is broken, and the girls want to start hanging out with him again just so we can still use his house to host things. Should we do it, or is it too weird? Well, it's giving ma.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, it is.

[Jake]

It's giving Ma. But definitely do it.

[Ben Marshall]

It's giving paw. You fake laughing. I honestly, like, feel bad for compulsive liars sometimes.

[Jake]

Times I don't. I think it's, like, evil and weird and crazy.

[Ben Marshall]

But what if it's just a compulsion that you, like, truly can't help?

[Jake]

Literally, it makes. Nothing makes me more angry than a compulsive liar. Because I can't lie. I can't. Have you seen me lie once this episode? I've tried. I've tried to lie to you, and every time I try, it slips out.

[Ben Marshall]

Wow. Okay.

[Jake]

I hate liars. I hate them. I hate them. They drive me insane. It's my number one thing. Why? Why do you lie?

[Ben Marshall]

I'm talking about people who lie in a crazy way.

[Jake]

Yeah, still makes me angry.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay. I think most people would agree with you. I'm just saying, like, through the Lens of like mental illness. Like imagine you, you just literally. I have to lie, right?

[Jake]

You're an empath.

[Ben Marshall]

That would be crazy and horrible and it would destroy your life.

[Jake]

I think I want to leave my fiance.

[Ben Marshall]

Do it again. It's like you said it. You've already said it, right? That's what you want.

[Jake]

Well, let's get some context.

[Ben Marshall]

I'm sorry.

[Jake]

I can't stand being around him anymore. He's a certified man child. His grandma did everything for him growing up. So he doesn't know basic skills. He didn't know how to do laundry or the dishes until he met me. And I forced him to learn because what the fuck? I'm a clean freak. I hate messes and I need clutter free space to feel good about myself and my life. I've expressed this to him so many times. When my space is dirty, I feel like shit and my mental health declines. But still, he keeps leaving messes around our apartment for me to clean up. There's a lot more of this type of behavior. So is this means for a split? Yeah. Sounds like you fucking hate him.

[Ben Marshall]

This is what I'm saying.

[Jake]

You were right.

[Ben Marshall]

People are like, I hate my life and my fiance. He makes me miserable. He has zero redeeming qualities. Should I stay with him? It's like you know the answer.

[Jake]

No, no, no.

[Ben Marshall]

Bye.

[Jake]

Thank you.

[Ben Marshall]

Next.

[Jake]

Thank you.

[Ben Marshall]

Yes. And next. What's the other one?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Ben Marshall]

No, no. The one that you were saying you

[Jake]

get high and call on the regular. I get. We can't fall like a teenager. Why, oh why? Oh yeah, yeah Does God keep bringing me I get drunk pretend that I'm over itself Struck show up like an idiot why, oh why Does God keep bringing me

[Ben Marshall]

on your phone?

[Jake]

Oh, it's the best song ever. You know what else other song I love?

[Ben Marshall]

What?

[Jake]

It's not by Geese. It's by the guy in Geese, Cameron Winter. Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

Love Takes.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Ben Marshall]

It's a good song.

[Jake]

That was really good.

[Ben Marshall]

Wallet on the Ground. That's what he sounds like.

[Jake]

Oh, I was like, it's my wallet on the ground.

[Ben Marshall]

No, that's one of his other songs. Wallet on the ground, bag of rubber bands.

[Jake]

I think Love Takes Miles is beautiful. It's a great song because it does take Miles.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

You gotta show up for the people.

[Ben Marshall]

So true.

[Jake]

What's your favorite song of all time?

[Ben Marshall]

This is a completely random answer. It's just the. It's not my favorite song. It's just the first one that popped in my head. Outcast Roses.

[Jake]

Oh, that's that could be your favorite song. Could be, but phenomenal song.

[Ben Marshall]

Love it.

[Jake]

My favorite song of all time is the Archer by Taylor Swift. And Someday by the Strokes.

[Ben Marshall]

That's one of my favorite songs of all time, too.

[Jake]

Someday.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

It's the best song ever.

[Ben Marshall]

I love the Strokes.

[Jake]

Same. I love them. And I've. Every time I've tried to see them live, I always get. Because my friend never wants to go. They're always playing at a festival I'm at, and I always miss them.

[Ben Marshall]

Damn.

[Jake]

But they're playing at Coachella this year.

[Ben Marshall]

Are you gonna go?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

Nice.

[Jake]

You like Vampire Weekend?

[Ben Marshall]

Yep.

[Jake]

I love Vampire Weekend.

[Ben Marshall]

Really?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

Do you like McGee?

[Jake]

Yeah, I like. Are you looking up?

[Ben Marshall]

I love McGee.

[Jake]

What's your favorite Vampire Weekend song?

[Ben Marshall]

Campus.

[Jake]

Okay. Minus step.

[Ben Marshall]

Great.

[Jake]

What's your second favorite?

[Ben Marshall]

Oxford comma. I like that era.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

I like Step two.

[Jake]

When you listen to them on the Upper west side, do you feel like you are them?

[Ben Marshall]

Like at Columbia? Yeah, kind of. Somebody stopped. Somebody heckled a Please don't destroy live show. One time we were, like, doing someone else's show and, like, we were in the middle of a sketch and they were like, you guys look like Vampire Weekend crazy.

[Jake]

That's nice.

[Ben Marshall]

We were kind of dress preppy.

[Jake]

Do you take it as a compliment?

[Ben Marshall]

No. I mean, we were in the middle of doing a sketch. Feels like they weren't loving what we were doing.

[Jake]

I love what you do.

[Ben Marshall]

Thanks, Jake.

[Jake]

Speaking of, what did we learn today?

[Ben Marshall]

What did we learn? I think we learned that you and I have a lot of work to do.

[Jake]

I was about to say a long road ahead.

[Ben Marshall]

We have a long road ahead in a beautiful way.

[Jake]

Because I was gonna say we're both committing to it.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Do you know what I mean?

[Ben Marshall]

I'm in.

[Jake]

I'm in.

[Ben Marshall]

I'm all in.

[Jake]

I'm all in.

[Ben Marshall]

We're going to hang out and we're going to.

[Jake]

Do you think it's going to be like this? No, I don't think so.

[Ben Marshall]

I don't think so. I think as soon as the mic is off, we're going to be like, totally.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. So normal, so great. Like, the second we stop recording.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, 100%. But my question is, are we going to allow people into this dynamic that we were having or not? I'm open to both.

[Jake]

What do you mean?

[Ben Marshall]

Are we gonna keep parts where we're going? Is this weird? Are we feeling okay? We're gonna keep all that?

[Jake]

Of course.

[Ben Marshall]

You think so? You think we have to.

[Jake]

It's you think it's endearing and beautiful.

[Ben Marshall]

It's endearing. Okay, good.

[Jake]

It's beautiful. Like we're being so vulnerable and honest.

[Ben Marshall]

Like.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay. I'm. I'm scared. I'm not gonna lie.

[Jake]

You are?

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Don't worry.

[Ben Marshall]

Okay. What did we learn? We learned.

[Jake]

I learned what chopped unk meant.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah.

[Jake]

From you.

[Ben Marshall]

From a chopped. On camera?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Ben Marshall]

I think we learned that you just have to, like. Like, you know the answer in your heart and you just have to take action. And it's easy to talk about something, but it's hard to take action. I've learned that you shower face down. Lying down. Why am I adding face down?

[Jake]

No, I shower sitting down.

[Ben Marshall]

You said lying down.

[Jake]

Yep. I also do that.

[Ben Marshall]

Face down like this. Okay. Up. Face up.

[Jake]

Yeah. And I learned that, like, I've developed a beautiful friendship with you today.

[Ben Marshall]

I know. I really. I really see.

[Jake]

And I mean that.

[Ben Marshall]

I think that we're gonna hang out. I. I know we're gonna end up like.

[Jake]

What are you doing Friday?

[Ben Marshall]

I think I'm busy.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

No, I'll hang out Friday.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

I have no plans. Let's hang out Friday.

[Jake]

I have a work dinner. You want to get drinks after?

[Ben Marshall]

Let's do it. See you there. Should we do an open mic?

[Jake]

I'm too scared. No, let's go. Let's do drinks. Let's go to a bar, let's get drinks. Call it a day talk. Okay.

[Ben Marshall]

Well, Ben, Jake, thank you so much for having me.

[Jake]

Thank you so much for coming on the show.

[Ben Marshall]

It was an honor. I'm sorry I didn't bring presents like Marcel.

[Jake]

Oh, that's okay.

[Ben Marshall]

Do most people do that or just.

[Jake]

No, it was just him.

[Ben Marshall]

Yeah, totally.

[Jake]

Do you want to give a little by bye?

[Ben Marshall]

Do you want me to do it again?

[Jake]

No. Louder.

[Ben Marshall]

Bye, ben.

[Jake]

Thank you.

[Ben Marshall]

Bye, pussies. Thank you, Jake. I love you.

[Jake]

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