Session 118: Charlize Theron

Summary

THERAPUSS with Jake Shane – Session 118: Charlize Theron
Release Date: April 30, 2026
Guest: Charlize Theron
Podcast Host: Jake Shane

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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid session of THERAPUSS, Jake Shane sits down with Academy Award-winning actress Charlize Theron to discuss her new Netflix action thriller Apex, motherhood, the lasting effects of significant career moments, LA vs. New York life, family independence, and Real Housewives fandom. As always, the session blends humor, vulnerability, and real emotion, with Jake and Charlize also offering brutally honest advice to listener-submitted dilemmas.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Charlize’s New Movie: ‘Apex’

[09:19 – 14:28]

• Charlize talks about shooting Apex in Australia, where her daughters assisted on set (“They would kind of like help out and get coffees. And I put them to work.” – Charlize, 10:46).
• She shares her satisfaction that her daughters became engaged in the film as audience members — “They totally forgot that was mom up there.” (11:32).
• Charlize does most of her action stunts but differentiates between action and truly dangerous stunts:
  “I feel like stunts are like crazy things... I like doing action.” (12:13)
• What drew her: The psychological element of the story and character development, calling it a “psychological thriller slash action thriller.” (13:44)
• Charlize’s hands-on role in developing her own action projects, including Atomic Blonde and The Old Guard. “If I'm gonna make some action movies, I want to make some really good ones.” (13:52)

2. Career Highs, Oscars, and Industry Pressure

[14:35 – 18:16]

• Jake revisits Monster and Charlize winning Best Actress. Charlize recalls the surreal morning after:
  “On my nightstand were false eyelashes, $5 million worth of jewelry, and my silicone boobs... That was a good night.” (15:06)
• On post-Oscar pressure:
  “Every step feels like it could be the wrong step... You have to watch that you don't start doing movies for other people, instead of your own creative instinct.” (15:27, 15:38)
• Charlize notes the pressure is especially intense and unfair for women:
  “Women get such an unfair shake... Like, no actor has one success after another.” (17:06)
• Jake’s observations: “People love an ingenuity, and they just want to, like, mold them into however they want.” (17:32)
• Both discuss independence and creative agency post-award seasons.

3. Chronic Pain & Resilience

[18:16 – 20:16]

• After Monster, Charlize took on Aeon Flux, suffering a severe neck injury that led to eight years of chronic pain:
  “When you deal with pain for eight years... It's so fear based because you're just waiting for the next thing that's going to set your neck off.” (19:23)
• She eventually underwent two major surgeries:
  “Now I’m bionic, I can do anything with my neck.” (20:01)

4. Therapy Time: Frustration with LA Doctors

[20:23 – 24:06]

• Charlize vents about a dentist underplaying recovery time after dental work for financial reasons:
  “They want our money... If they actually told me, I would have said no.” (20:47)
• Both Jake and Charlize bond over how LA medical professionals tend to overcharge and underserve compared to other places.
• Anecdotes about buying (and regretting) odd health gadgets and expensive purchases (Jake: costly jacket with insane shipping; Charlize: expensive plug-adapted “massager” that turned out to be a heating pad).

5. Parenting, Independence & Modern Communication

[24:12 – 34:09]

• Charlize’s kids are into dance, and she jokes she’s “an Uber driver” shuttling them around LA (24:44).
• Navigating modern parenting and technology:
  “Why don't you ever fucking text me back?... They all use Snapchat.” (24:49)
• The importance of teaching kids to work and develop independence:
  “I need you to be financially independent. I don’t want you to rely on another person, including me.” (29:53)
• Both discuss their own work histories and how their parents instilled a work ethic. Jake: “I was a big babysitter... funded my way through high school.” (33:14)
• Charlize’s mom encouraged her independence as a teen and opportunity to try acting in the U.S. (34:38).
• Parenting as a celebrity: preparing kids for unique scrutiny and public perceptions.

6. LA vs. New York & The Art of Not Driving

[34:35 – 38:23]

• Jake discusses never learning to drive, NY vs. LA lifestyles, and the anxieties of driving.
• Charlize agrees:
  “Cars are truly my greatest fear... Inexperience. It's not about what they're gonna do. It's not knowing what the other guy is gonna do.” (37:53)
• Both rely on Uber in LA, agree it’s safer for kids, and commiserate about rideshare experiences (38:23-39:47).

7. Housewives & Pop Culture Obsessions

[40:47 – 49:41]

• Charlize is a huge Real Housewives fan:
  “Somebody asked me yesterday if you had to do a TED Talk... I was like, housewives. I can do a talk about Housewives.” (47:38)
• Jake recommends the new Rhode Island franchise for its candor, and both analyze the success and drama of various series:
  “The reason Rhode Island works is because ... women who are like, ‘this is my moment on reality television, I will reveal all.’” (49:19)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On action movies:
  “Good action movies make the physical stuff part of the storytelling... If you want to make a movie like that, you have to really engage in all of that stuff.”
  — Charlize Theron [12:26]

• On post-Oscar pressure:
  “Every step feels like it could be the wrong step. ... You have to watch that you don't start doing movies for, because people are encouraging you to do them, and you're not going by your own creative instinct.”
  — Charlize Theron [15:27, 15:38]

• On parenting modern teens:
  “Why don't you ever fucking text me back? ... They all use Snapchat... My 14 year old, even if I start threatening her, she still doesn’t reply back.”
  — Charlize Theron [24:49]

• On LA doctors:
  “I think I got bamboozled... He'll be fine. Are you kidding me? Never told me it was going to be stitches... Why would you not share this information with me?”
  — Charlize Theron [21:33]

• On driving fears:
  “Truly, hands down, the most scary thing for me is imagining my kids driving or being in a car with another 17, 18 year old driving.”
  — Charlize Theron [37:53]

• On Housewives fandom:
  "Somebody asked me yesterday if you had to do a TED Talk right now... I was like, housewives. I can do a talk about Housewives."
  — Charlize Theron [47:38]

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Audience Advice Segment — "Tell Me What's Wrong"

[41:10 – 47:16]

1. Crushing on brother’s best friend:

   • Charlize: “If you have a crush on somebody else and there's chemistry and they are reciprocating, then you should probably give that a shot.” [41:39]
   • Jake: “If I had a crush on someone for 10 years and they told me that they liked me back, I would dump whoever was in front of me.” [42:18]

2. Ending a budding friendship you’re not interested in:

   • Charlize: “You can manage it, but it's work... Just be short with it. Don’t ever explain why.” [43:23]

3. Boyfriend wants to ‘help’ you lose weight:

   • Charlize: “No. Fuck, no. Like, I want to murder this guy... Nobody who loves you should ever, ever say anything about the way you look.” [44:32]
   • Jake: “That's outrageous. I would break up immediately.” [44:45]

4. Discovering pay inequity by snooping through boss’s messages:

   • Charlize: “Don't do shit like that. You're going to find something that's going to just stay in your head... Don’t go through people's shit.” [46:12]
   • Jake: “Learn never to go through my boss's phone ever again.” [47:01]

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Pop Culture/Casual Chat Highlights

• Both Jake and Charlize are avid users of Uber, with amusing, slightly scary anecdotes about rideshares and some affection reserved for Uber over Lyft. [38:23–39:20]
• They share thoughts on the satisfaction (and sometimes regret) over expensive, unnecessary online purchases.
• Both are serious Housewives fans — “If I was to hang out, Heather is my favorite.” (Charlize, 47:58); “I am obsessed with Lisa Barlow.” (Jake, 48:07)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [09:19] Charlize Theron joins, discusses Apex and working with her daughters
• [14:35] On Monster, Oscars, and pressure after awards
• [18:16] Aeon Flux, injury, and chronic pain
• [20:23] Rant: LA doctors and medical expenses
• [24:12] Parenting daughters, dance, financial independence
• [34:35] Leaving home young, growing up, career aspirations
• [36:29] Jake’s aversion to driving, LA vs. NY
• [40:47] Reality TV: Housewives chat
• [41:10] Tell Me What’s Wrong advice segment
• [47:38] More Housewives, pop culture, wrap-up

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Conclusion

Session 118 is a classic THERAPUSS episode, blending genuine celebrity insight with Jake Shane’s humor and directness. Charlize Theron displays refreshing vulnerability on parenthood and personal setbacks, sharp wit about Hollywood, and relatable enthusiasm for Bravo’s finest. Their playful (and sometimes savage) advice to listeners keeps things lively and grounded in the signature cheeky, empathetic style the podcast is known for.

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For fans of celebrity interviews with depth, pop culture nostalgia, and no-nonsense advice, this episode delivers — and then some.

Transcript

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Focus features in Blumhouse Obsession.

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When I have a crush on a guy no one knows, Be careful.

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I wish Nikki loved me more than

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anyone in the entire world. Who you wish for?

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Obsession is 96% fresh on rotten Tomatoes.

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I love you so, so, so, so much. It's blood soaked nightmare fuel.

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What kind of spills you put on her? You have been warned. Obsession. Rated R under 17. Animated without parent only theaters May 15 with special engagements in Dolby. Hi. Welcome back to Therapuss. I just got out of the shower, which is why my hair is looking a little messy. It's a little wet. Feel like I need a little bit of a haircut. Is now what I'm realizing. Well, it's just me for the intro today, so I'm trying to think of what to say. I'm in. Well, I've been vintage shopping lately, in case anyone is curious. Manny knows. And this is a vintage shirt that I bought and I'm really pumped about it. And my entire closet has is full of vintage stuff now, so I can't wait to feel like a vintage girl. My stomach hurts. My back hurts. My back hurts. Kills, actually. And it's gotten to the point where I can't tell if my back actually hurts or I'm just making it up at this point because I have an addiction now to feeling like the little knot in my back right there and like, rubbing my fingers off and on it. So I wonder if this is just what my life is now. I feel like maybe I gave myself a back problem because I really. My back was hurting really badly the other day. And then I put on a hoodie wrong. And it was like the most. Like, it made the most sense for how it happened for me. I was watching a basketball game. I was watching these men sweat and like, fight over this ball, like for two hours. Like, falling, jumping, all this stuff. I'm literally just sitting. All of a sudden, I put my hoodie on to get up and leave back pulse. I felt like, of course, you know, I didn't even. And then these men do this every day. So if you're new here, this is not usually how things go. I usually have a friend with me. Oh, I guess. Well, today is technically Wednesday, so I'm going to New York Wednesday night, which is tonight. I'm so excited. We're recording some fun therapist episodes and I'm just excited to be in the city in the spring. Like, New York really is at its best in May, and. And I cannot wait to be able to experience it. Although I'm trying not to drink right now, which I keep failing at, but I'm really, really going to try this weekend to not drink. And if I come out of this weekend without having drank, I will be so proud of myself. But I am smoking every day, and I am realizing that the weed is making me incredibly paranoid. I had a moment the other night where I thought I was schizophrenic because the. When I was watching television, my sound was off. So when people were speaking, the sound of people speaking, like, was off to the actual audio. And then I was like, you know what? It. I'll just watch it on my computer. But then I convinced myself the same thing was happening on my computer. So I was like, oh, it's. It's happening. The big man's here. Like, I'm schizophrenic because it's like, if, you know, you know, like, that's my number one fear, schizophrenia. And I.

[B]

Sorry, like, what are you talking about?

[A]

I'm enjoying it because Manny sees me. Like, Manny understands everything I'm saying. And by the way, the fear of schizophrenia is a real OCD thing, and I will not have anybody come up on here and tell me otherwise. I'm allowed to be scared of things.

[B]

How's your reading going?

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Okay, well, you know what? Shout out. Kendall. I have a really hard time, and this is not a sponsor. My nightlight doesn't display enough light in order for me to read, so Kindles, like, really make it easier because, like, they light up in the dark and. Yeah, but I've been reading Fame Sick by Lena Dunham, which is obviously amazing. Like, you know, that's my queen, so. But I'm reading a little bit every night on my Kindle. Like, I was really trying to go for, like, the rustic look of the book, but, like, I couldn't. I couldn't. I had to go with my Kindle. So I'm reading a little bit about every night. I actually just started Imperfect Woman. Anyone seen? It's very good. It's Elizabeth Moss, Kerry Washington, Kate Mara. It's very good. It's giving, like, all her fault vibes. Very soapy, very, like, you start and it jumps right in, which is what I needed. It puts me to bed. Okay, I don't know if you guys could tell, but, like, I kind of have a new closet going on. Can you tell? Yeah, I have a new closet going on. Actually, let's get Matt on the phone. I wonder if he's realized that I have a new closet going on. Hello? Have you noticed that I have, like, a new closet going on? A new what? A new closet going on. What do you mean? Like, new clothes. Have you noticed? What? Like, Ann Taylor, stuff like that and Taylor. No. What are you talking about? Oh, I thought that's, like, what you're saying. You got a tail or. Or something. What? How?

[B]

Huh?

[A]

What? What did you say? I said, have you noticed? I got new clothes, I guess. What are you doing? Nothing. I just picked up my phone. I broke it today. Oh, so you just. Actually Finding you. So you broke the phone today? Like, really early this morning? Yeah. So then why were you using that as an excuse for not responding to my text all weekend? I wasn't feeling too good this weekend. So why couldn't you just say that instead of I broke my phone? Well, I did break my phone this morning. What does that have to do with anything? I texted you asking why you could weren't speaking to me this weekend, and you said I broke my phone. You just told me you broke it this morning. I mean, I don't know if any of that's really relevant, to be honest. What do you mean? Like, that doesn't really make any sense, like, what you're saying. No, it may. Exactly. It makes no sense. That's why I'm bringing it up to you. Right. Right. Okay. Well, love you. Love you. Bye. Oh, my God. Sweets and snacks. We decided we're going to EDC now? The night before. Yeah. No. What? What? So I thought we were going to EDC for Vegas, and apparently we're not going to EDC for Vegas, so I have to break the news to everyone. Hi, Pop. We're not. Yeah, we're not going to EDC anymore. Okay.

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Why?

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Because we can't.

[B]

Why not?

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We can't go. We can't go to EDC anymore

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and nobody cares.

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What happened? Are you canceling Sweets and Tabs? No, I can't canceling edc.

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I mean.

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I mean, why do you think I didn't answer once in the group chat? Were we going to edc? Oh, my God.

[B]

Everyone needs to shush up. Like, what happens?

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We're disturbing Choo Choo's peace. What happened is that Jake was manic last night and screaming that we're going to edc. I didn't answer because I knew we never were. So he's canceling something that I never

[B]

thought I was attending.

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Okay, everyone say sweets and snacks on three. One, two, three. Sweet. Yes. My back, you guys. Oh. It's like, I want to live my life. All I Want all day long is to have somebody just going into the knot in my back. Like all day long. All day long. I want to wake up face down and have someone say good morning and start kneading my back and then just like take a break when I have to go pee or eat lunch and then continue needing my back. That's what I want all day long. Just this one spot and it like hurts, but it feels like when you're poking a gum. Like, you know when it hurts but you're like, oh, but I guess gums don't need to be poked and backs need to be. So we're going to sweets and snacks in Vegas. Everyone's super excited. See, the thing is though, I don't know if we're gonna go out. And I don't think they know that. And so I feel like I'm kind of bamboozling everybody to come to Vegas or like, like, what are we gonna do?

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I think we should go out.

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Really? On a Monday in Vegas? Is that Tuesday? Do things happen on Tuesdays in Vegas? Are you sure?

[B]

I do think we have to go out.

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Are clubs going to be open on a Tuesday?

[B]

Something's gonna be open.

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Because you know the club going up.

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Oh my God. That's really funny.

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I mean, they have that song for a reason, clearly. Tonight we have on Charlize Theron, whose new movie Apex is out now. It's amazing. I got the chance to watch it and obviously Academy award winner, icon, actress extraordinaire. She's everything. I was so honored. I got to talk to her. You can literally hop over from therapists to Apex cuz we're both on Netflix. Bottom. And she's a fellow Housewives fan like me. So enjoy the interview. Happy Wednesday. I love you pussies. Hi, pussies. Tonight we have on something I never thought I'd say, but Academy Award winner Charlize Theron.

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Oh, thank you.

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Thanks for being here.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

This is actually. Remember when we met at the Tate McCray Show?

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Yes.

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Did you enjoy the show?

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I did. My girls were there. They absolutely loved it. Yeah, we're fans.

[A]

Have they seen any of your movies?

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Yeah, I actually saw Apex cuz they were out for most of it. The shooting of it in Australia. And they came out was during summer. No, it was summer or spring break. I can't remember now. No, it was. I can't remember. But they came out. There was like a school holiday attached to it and they loved being in Australia where we shot. They really like just Love the experience of being out in the wilderness. And they, they, for the first time ever, they got some jobs. They were assistants on the set. They would kind of like help out and get coffees. And I put them to work.

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I was like, right, if you're going

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to be here, you're gonna keep asking me what my job is. I'm gonna make you have a job where I have my job. But they were really loving it. And so when the. The rough cut came around, I was like, do you guys want to watch it with me? And they're like, no, Mom. And then I turned it on and they started watching and then they just couldn't stop watching it. And it was truly one of my favorite moments because my 14 year old, who's not at all impressed by me and always gives me kind of like a look of like, did you just fart? Sat next to me. And she was just like. She got so. She's like, why is Sasha doing that? What? That's my character that I'm like, why? No, Sasha can't do that, Mom. I was like, you were there. You know what the story is about. Like, why are you So I knew that we were onto something, cuz they were even like fully engaged and forgot that it was mom. They actually totally forgot that was mom up there.

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Oh. So you must have felt like I did. I did. I did something cool.

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You know the best. The, the biggest compliment was they said, the movie feels really short, Mom.

[A]

It did feel short.

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Did it?

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Yes, Very short.

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Oh, look at that. You guys have something in common. That's a good. That's a good thing.

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I. How long is it?

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I don't know.

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It's like two hours almost. Right.

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It's a little less, but it feels. Because it has such an engine. Right? Yeah.

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Excellent.

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Oh, thank you so much. You liked it?

[A]

I loved it. Oh, and I loved it even more when I discovered that you do most of your own stunts.

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I do most of my action stunt. I feel like stunts are like crazy things, like throwing yourself down a staircase or off a building. Like, I don't. I don't do that stuff, but I. I like doing action.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Because I feel like good action movies make the physical stuff be part of the storytelling is not compartmentalized. It's like the movie stops, you have some action, the movie picks up again.

[A]

Right.

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And so I do. I feel like if you want to make a movie like that, you have to really kind of engage in all of that stuff.

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What drew you to the script?

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Initially, I thought that There was a lot of potential. When I originally read it, it was. The characters were different, but the. The premise, the idea was so straightforward, you know, like, you just like right in page 10, she's already in the wilderness, she meets this guy, he ends up being a serial killer and he starts chasing her. And I just loved how simple that concept was. Didn't feel contrived to me and like plot driven. And then we just really spent a lot of time developing the characters. But I just loved the two hander aspect of it. Getting to work that intimately with another actor and coming up with some really good, I think, psychological scenes that makes the movie more like a psychological thriller. Action thriller, slash action thriller. So I think of it more almost psychologically than action.

[A]

You've been in a lot of, like, action movies throughout your career. Like, is there something about them specifically that draws you to them?

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I've been lucky enough to develop most of the action movies, except for Mad Max, Fury Road, but Atomic Blonde I developed from eight pages of a comic book. And so that we really. I really developed that movie for myself. And the same with the old guard films. I did definitely. I wanted to. I was like, if I'm gonna make some action movies, I want to make some really good ones. And so I really kind of took it into my own hands. Yeah, the same with this one. I really wanted to, like, make this something really special.

[A]

Well, it is very special.

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Thank you.

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I'm so excited for everyone to see it.

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Do you like these kind of movies?

[A]

I like the ones that you're in.

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Oh, yeah. That's nice. Good answer.

[A]

Thank you. I actually rewatched Monster.

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Okay.

[A]

And I forgot how much it scared me as a child.

[B]

Oh, my God. That's right. You saw it as a child. Oh, my God, I'm so old.

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No, no, no. I mean, I. And I. What I could think about after finishing it was. Well, there are so many things I was thinking about. But you won best Actress for it at the Academy Awards.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What did that feel like? The morning after I was hungover,

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I remember such a stupid, vivid memory, but I remember, like, turning around and on my nightstand, where false eyelashes, $5 million worth of jewelry, and my silicone boobs just all stacked up in a pile. And I was like, that was a good night.

[A]

Did you feel any type of like. Like pressure to do like Monster 2.0 next award season? Or was there just. Or did. Were you able to ground yourself?

[B]

It's definitely challenging because you do feel like there's a lot of eyes on you, um, but. And I was, you know, I was young. I was 27. There's definitely this feeling of like, I, like every step feels like it could be the wrong step. And, and then, you know, something that you can't control, you have to just kind of, you have to watch that you don't start doing movies for, because people are kind of encouraging you to make them and you're not going by your own creative instinct, you know, which is something that I've just always trusted. Because then also, if the movie doesn't work and it doesn't and it's failed, it fails. You've done it on your own terms and it's something that meant something to you.

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Right.

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But it's hard for sure that I, I, I did not necessarily. I liked that doors opened. Like, all of a sudden directors who I admired wanted to meet me and, like, all of these things weren't happening before. Like, I loved all of that because I could see that this was going to be something that changed the trajectory of my career, and I was really excited about that. But the other aspect of it of, like, what is the thing that she's going to pick and how. I just knew people were going to have opinions around it, and I didn't like that part of it.

[A]

I know. I feel like that only happens with female Best Actress.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, winners. There's always that discussion. Like, when Mikey Madison won for Anora, it was like, well, what you gonna pick next? What you gonna pick next?

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That's so interesting that you notice that, because I think it's true too. I really do. I feel like women get such a unfair shake. There's a lot of, like, oh, you don't want to do what this person did. But it's like, like, why not? Like, not every movie is a gonna be a success. Like, no actor has one success after another.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But I agree. I feel like women have definitely a

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harder time, especially when they're young.

[B]

Yeah.

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Because people love an ingenuity.

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Yeah.

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And they just want to, like, make sure they mold them into however they want.

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Are you a young girl? I feel like you really understand.

[A]

I grew up around women. All my best friends are girls.

[B]

So you have sisters?

[A]

No, I have a younger brother.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But my mom and I are best friends. And I grew up around. My whole team is basically women. And so.

[B]

I know, but you have like a sensitivity, like, like a innate understanding that is not. Like, I know a lot of people who have that, but they don't. Do you have like a. You tuned into it. It's really nice. Oh, well, yeah, I like it.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Yes, really nice.

[A]

Well, yeah, I just want to ask you about that because I was like, I wonder what she felt like picking that. And what next project did you pick for 2000?

[B]

For 2004, it was a film called Ian Flux.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. And it ended up actually being a film that really, it changed my, my life in a not so great sense. I herniated a disc in my neck doing a backhand spring and I landed on my neck on a, on a concrete bridge and I, I almost paralyzed myself. And it was like day 10 on the, on like a really long shoot of this movie and they had to shut the movie down and I was, I was in a lot of pain and they were like, you have to finish the movie. Let's take six weeks off, like do some PT and like, we'll see how it goes. And there's like a good chance because you're so young and you're fit and you're healthy that your body will absorb this disc. And long story short, I, I got myself healthy enough to go and finish the movie. But from that time, for the next eight years, I, I suffer from severe chronic pain. Neck pain.

[A]

Oh my God. I had no idea. I'm so sorry.

[B]

No, it's, it was truly, truly one of the, like when you, when you deal with pain for eight years, I, I have, I, I don't really, I can't describe it any other way than just, it's so fear based because you're just waiting for the next thing that's going to set your neck off and lock it and you're going to be in bed for five days, right? And at first it was like, oh, because I did that big workout. And then it became like I just reached for the towel to dry my body and my neck is out, right? So I had a neck fusion done where there's a, a metal plate kind of holding my two. And then a year ago I had the one right above it. It replaced not with metal, but just with a disc replacement. So now I'm bionic, I can do anything with my neck. But that movie really caused a lot of hell for me.

[A]

Oh my God. I, when I asked, I had no idea. I'm so sorry.

[B]

No, it's totally fine. I mean, this is your job. You're doing a great job.

[A]

Thank you. Well, what are you therapist about today?

[B]

I, like, I'm angry about something, but I don't know if I want to share it. But like I Had some dental work done and I'm not very happy with my mouth right now and I'm not happy that my doctor told me that I would a week ago be fine. And I'm not fine. And I don't understand why doctors don't just tell us truthfully what's going to happen.

[A]

Why do you think that is?

[B]

Because they want our money.

[A]

Oh, you think it's that?

[B]

Yes, because if they actually told me this, I would have said, no, I'm not going to do this right now.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because I know I have stuff coming up. And he knew it because I told him and he was like, I got to sucker her in right now, cuz she might not come back. And so, yeah, I'm not, I'm not very happy with this guy right now. He's like, he'll be fine. Are you kidding me? Never told me that it was going to be like a certain amount of like having stitches. I was like, why would you not share, share this information with me?

[A]

Right.

[B]

I went from my post op and I was like, you never said any of this to me. And he was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, it's okay. I tell you now. Yeah, but that doesn't make it okay. You should have told me the first time I saw you.

[A]

You have to get a new doctor.

[B]

I think so too. I think I got bamboozled.

[A]

Is this a dental guy? I have someone for you.

[B]

Okay, great. I love it.

[A]

He's been great for me.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And the, all the LA doctors love to sucker money out of people.

[B]

I think so too.

[A]

They love to sucker money in ways that I haven't seen because I grew up in New York and I never saw this.

[B]

No. And also, by the way, when I go on location sometimes and I like have something that comes up and a medication where or I go and see a doctor, what they, what you end up paying? Like, I'm like, the cost, the difference between this and la. We're suckers.

[A]

Yeah, we're suckers.

[B]

We're absolute suckers. Which is like people like completely complacent.

[A]

Take my money, you could sell me like water for $50 and I would buy it.

[B]

It's all of us. Yeah, all of us. Because what if, right? Don't you have that feeling? We're like, I know it's a scam,

[A]

but what if always, what if always

[B]

this changes my life.

[A]

What if this water is like actually biblical? Yeah. Like I will literally buy anything.

[B]

So crazy.

[A]

What's the craziest thing you've ever Bought. Then you've been like, why did I buy that?

[B]

Oh, my God. A lot of stuff. Let me think. I bought a. I bought a. A back. I thought it was a back massager with a heater on it. And I. I bought it and it came. It must have come from London because it had the wrong plug on it, like, and so I couldn't try it, but I sent it to an electrician to change the plug. And it was this whole thing, like, getting the American plug put on. I spent so much money putting this plug on it. And then I plugged. And it doesn't massage. It's just a heating pack. I basically put. I spent $100 to put a plug on something that I could have done with a water bottle.

[A]

Right. I mean, that sucks.

[B]

We're idiots.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Read the small print.

[A]

Yeah, that happened to. Well, one time I bought a. Bought a jacket to Canada because I was doing a job in Canada and I was leaving Monday. I don't know why I bought it on a Friday. So I was like, obviously it wasn't going to get there. I guess I didn't know that tariffs existed. And so I had to ship it back to the U.S. which cost $2,000.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yes. To ship one jacket from Canada to the US because of terrorists? Isn't that insane? Not only that. Then I had to get it tailored.

[B]

Most expensive jacket ever.

[A]

But you know what? I get compliments on it every time I wear it, so I don't give a fuck.

[B]

It's worth it. It's worth it.

[A]

When I was in New York wearing it, this one, everyone's like, I love your jacket. And I was like, you. You don't know what that means to me. Yeah, I went through hell and back to get this jacket.

[B]

I'm going to be homeless next week, but at least my jacket looks good.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Do you. Do you base yourself out of LA almost entirely?

[B]

Yeah, I live here and my. My kids are based in. They have schools here and they have their own lives. They're both really. They're really into dance and they're really good. They're. They're. They're on a competition team. And so it's very. I mean, I'm basically, like, doing this. Selling a movie, and then I'm an Uber driver. Just, like, driving them from ballet to school to home to Chick Fil A, to whatever they need, you know?

[A]

Right. Do they communicate with you via text message or via Snapchat?

[B]

Okay. I am so glad you brought this up, because I really hope my 14 year old is listening to this. Why don't you ever fucking text me back? What is that?

[A]

They all use Snapchat. I did not know that.

[B]

So I have to Snapchat.

[A]

Have to Snapchat them. It's, it's what I've learned. My friend's kid is like, only, like, I only. I messaged my mom and I was like, what? They only use Snapchat for everything.

[B]

Okay. My 11 year old is still really good. She's very, like, she's on it. She's very, I think I'm holding her back. She's like ready to move into apartment. She can, like, she's, she's good to go. Somebody thought, but my 14 year old, even I like, start threatening her. I'm like, I will take your iPad away. She still doesn't reply back.

[A]

When's her birthday?

[B]

She's a, she's, she's a January baby. But she's just so aloof. Like, I was on mute. I was like, no, it wasn't like, I can see, I can see that you're. You're on it.

[A]

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[B]

And I might be wrong on that. Just, by the way, I don't know the science. There's some tech guy going like, oh, no, we're on that. That's happening next week.

[A]

Do your kids want to be dancers at all? Is that, like, a goal for them?

[B]

They really love it. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if they go into some angle like that. I mean, I was a dancer for a big part of my life, and I loved it so much. I mean, I didn't know there was really anything else that I was gonna. I was so in love with performing, but I didn't even know that then. So when I look at them, I can see the love that they have for it right now. But then I'm also, from my own experience, I'm thinking this can branch into so many other things. But I can tell that one of my daughters, she's as natural. She's a natural performer.

[A]

So they must have had a lot of fun at the Tate McCray Show.

[B]

Yeah, she's. She loves the stage. Yeah, yeah, she loves the stage. And, like, I get so nervous. She's so little. She was so little when she started performing, and I would get so nervous for her and she would just be like, pushing people out of the way to get on the stage. Like, she just loves a stage and the girl can perform. Like, she just knows how to perform. My other one really loves, like, choreo. Choreographing dances and she loves the world a lot and she's really great in all these big, bigger grouper. Group numbers. But I don't know, it's too. It's too soon to kind of say where they're going to end up. As long as they just need to get a job that pays them because I don't want to support them for the rest of life. That's like. Kind of like my aim. I always say that, like, I need you to be financially independent. I don't want you to rely on another person, including me. Like, I want you to feel what it feels like to buy your first car with your own money that you've earned. That is a feeling that is just unbelievable. So they're always like, so you're not getting me a G wagon? I'm like, they don't even make those anymore. Okay, they make G wagons. No, they don't make G wagons anymore. But they. They're always like. I'm like, you must. I'm going to drive that one day. I'm like, you're. What job do you have?

[A]

That's an. That's an LA baby. Yeah.

[B]

And I'm not. I told. They know. I'm like, I'm not. First of all, your first car is going to be a Dutch in. Because you're going to crash it. You're going to it up somehow. You're a new driver.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So we're not getting like the nice car up front. We need a little bit of experience and we're going to earn it. But I want them. I want them to. I want them to be independent. I think that's the greatest. Like, that's the thing that I. I can take from my own life, my own experience and the power of that. And I always kind of remind them to kind of think that way.

[A]

Are you gonna have them get like, summer jobs?

[B]

Yes. Yeah. Every time we go to Starbucks, I'm like, look at this. Do you see how friendly. Do you see how friendly you have to be? That Friendly. Every morning at 6am like, start getting ready for it. Yeah, I mean, I. That's. I feel like you just said it. Like, LA babies, there's a bubble here.

[A]

And it's different than New York. Both are kind of very coastal elite, but there's a less of a bubble in New York, I think, because you have more access to, like, what the world is like in la. You can really never leave.

[B]

Did you have a. Did you have a job as a youngster in New York?

[A]

Many, many jobs.

[B]

What did you have?

[A]

I was a babysitter. I was. I interned a lot. I did a lot of internships. I interned at a magazine. I interned at a public relations firm. I interned at. Oh, God, I'm like forgetting. I interned for a city council woman. Yeah, it was. It was cool. It was, like, nice to make my own money.

[B]

And was it because your parents kind of asked you? They were. Did they?

[A]

Were they as Nothing strict.

[B]

As a. Oh, so, okay, I'm doing the right thing.

[A]

Yeah. She was like, you don't like. Because I went to a private school where a lot of my friends had all their parents money to spend, but my parents gave me like 20 bucks a week. And we're like, figure it out. Kind of. So if I wanted a fake id, which I did, I had to save up. And I would save it in my little, like. Do you remember those, like, radio things? And you would put CDs in them?

[B]

Oh, yes. I know what you're talking about. Yes. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And I would put all my money in there. And so I had to work. I babysat a lot.

[B]

It was just such a great job.

[A]

Babysitting is the ultimate life hack.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They will overpay you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like all you do is sit there.

[B]

But do you know why?

[A]

Why?

[B]

So, like, just give me a break.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Just please take my kids. Take my kids and give me a break.

[A]

Yeah, but I was a big. I was a big babysat babysitter. I babysat a bunch of kids. And it, like, funded my way through high school.

[B]

I keep telling my kids that too. I'm like, this is a great way to start.

[A]

It is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's harder here, though, because they need their license to drive.

[B]

Got it. But, like, I'd be okay with driving them if they actually, like, did the job. You know what I mean? I'm not gonna be that mean. But I just. I want. Yeah, I really. I want to encourage them because I also feel. Which isn't fair on them because they didn't ask for this but unfortunately I'm their mom and I think everybody is just waiting for them to be and self centered and kind of expect things to come their way, you know. And so I, I, I want to try and prepare them as much for that, that that is going to happen. And so they, they have to start thinking about like there's hard work around things. Like you have to earn a lot of stuff in life just in general, but it's going to maybe be twice as hard for you guys.

[A]

Right? You know, in order how to like block out the noise as well.

[B]

Yes, exactly. But also I think all of those things give you purpose as a young person and there's nothing like independence when you're a young person. Like when I remember when I left at 16 and I was like, I have to cook my dinner tonight. Like I have to make sure my laundry is done. Like I had to do all of it, but I loved it, you know.

[A]

How did you convince your mom to let you leave at 16? Was it just a different time or.

[B]

My mom was the one who pushed me out of the house. Actually there was a lot going on in South Africa at the time and I had an opportunity to go and try something and she really, she really was the one who was like, go, you should go and try this. You don't want to be on your deathbed and wonder what this would have been like if I didn't do it. So she was really my encouragement. I mean she was the one that put it together that I should go try and be an actor. I didn't, I wasn't the one that did that.

[A]

Didn't she come to New York and was like, you're either coming home or you're doing acting.

[B]

Yeah, not quite as articulate as that. Yeah, but something like that. Yes.

[A]

And do you, was it, do you remember there was a moment when you were auditioning and you, there was like where you're like, okay, this could actually happen.

[B]

Yeah. I mean I feel like at 19 you just think like every I did I was like I'm gonna go get this job today. Like I was just like so determined. I never kind of willy nilly to anything. Always prepared. I didn't get everything but I, I definitely went in with the intention of like I'm getting this job today. But I think that's my personality is very much like if I'm going to do something, I'm going to do it really well. I'm not going to around because then I just won't do it.

[A]

Right. That's yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

When did you come here? How old were you when you came here?

[A]

I was born here. I was born, but I moved when I was 2. And then I grew up around. I grew up in New York. I lived in Brooklyn for a little, and then Westchester, and then I grew up mainly in Washington Heights in the city. And then I came back here when I was 18 for USC. And then my parents kind of followed suit during COVID because during COVID everything was just like, what the is going on? And now I've been out here ever since. I love it here. Do you. But I don't drive, so.

[B]

Porko.

[A]

Because I will crash.

[B]

Well, that's if you don't learn.

[A]

My dad is like, you will crash the car. Like, this is like, I'm like a true New York City kid. Like, I can't do it.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I know. I'm terrified.

[B]

I have a friend like that.

[A]

I'm terrified.

[B]

She's. I was. She's like, I have a license. I'm like, how do you not know how to drive a car? I was like 8 years old now, driving a truck. I grew up on a farm.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So it's just like every 8 year old knows how to drive some semi truck or something.

[A]

Yeah. Wow.

[B]

Yeah. But that's interesting. It's like, it's interesting how we all grow up and we're kind of. We are what our, like our circumstances, what. What we're surrounded in. Like, that's makes sense. Like, you don't have to drive in New York.

[A]

And I'm lucky now because of Uber. But if Uber didn't exist, I mean, it really, like, clocked to me the other day when I was with my brother, and he was like, I just got my first car. And I was like, what? He's 22. And I was like, oh, my God, I can't do this.

[B]

So he's in.

[A]

He's in. Yeah, he can drive. He can do it all.

[B]

And what your dad's like, he's not gonna crash.

[A]

Yeah, you. Yeah. I think my dad is like, I'm like the one that. The last one that'll listen to him. So he's like, just please don't get behind a wheel. Yeah. I'm also so addicted to my phone, so, like, I know, like, I just can't.

[B]

That's good that you know your shortcomings.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I do feel like, if anything, I want to encourage my kids to just take Uber, you know, it's like, I think truly, truly, hands down, the Most scary thing for me is imagining my kids driving or being in a car with another 17, 18 year old driving. I can't think of anything more dangerous, more scary. Inexperience. It's not about what they're gonna do. It's not knowing what the other guy is gonna do. I think cars are truly my greatest fear.

[A]

They're scary. Yeah, they're scary.

[B]

Much. Much prefer them to just take Ubers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I like walking. I like to everywhere I can possibly walk. I will walk. Yeah, it's like the one thing. Walking and listening to music is like my one thing that reminds me of New York.

[B]

Yeah, that makes sense. So do you walk to Beverly Hills?

[A]

I Uber. What do you do?

[B]

Uber or Lyft?

[A]

I Uber.

[B]

Yeah. What is that? Why do we all Uber and not lift?

[A]

It's kind of like Apple versus PC. Yeah, it's like I just use an Apple computer.

[B]

Got it. Have you ever, have you ever lifted, like, lifted, like been in a lift?

[A]

Oh, yeah, of course. I thought you would, like, lifted the gym. I was like, well, yes.

[B]

So do you remember your Lyft ride versus your Uber ride? Were they different?

[A]

I remember the interface, if that's what it's called, of Uber. Just being a tad more simple for me.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

I just remember it being a tad more simple and I liked it. Just felt better.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You know, do you know that my

[B]

friend took an Uber the other day and she took a photo and she sent it to me. There was a tennis shoe underneath the front seat. Just a woman's tennis shoe? Just one. And I was like, you should probably check the trunk. It was really, really weird.

[A]

That is creepy. I've had some creepy, creepy tennis shoes.

[B]

Just a small size 5 tennis shoe.

[A]

Did she check the trunk?

[B]

No, she. I, I don't know what she ended up doing, but I was like, this is actually serious. This is actually not a joke. Like, I'm actually worried for you. You have to like, text me when you're out of the car.

[A]

Oh, God. One time I got dropped off on the side of the road.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

They kicked you out?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, you can imagine. Like, he was like, you are so goddamn annoying. Like, get out of the car.

[B]

Talking too much.

[A]

Well, I said, could you turn the music up a little? He pulled her. He said, just get out.

[B]

Oh, just one thing. That was it.

[A]

He must have had a bad day. And then one time I used to, like, I used to take every, like, there used to be like all these different apps for rides. I'd be like five dollar rides across the city of Manhattan. As long whatever. Like there used to be all these different things and I remember taking one and it took me to 200 Something street instead of 181st street and it was 2am and my phone was at 1%. And I remember I called an Uber in a pinch and it, it really showed up for me.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So I'm always Uber over Lyft.

[B]

I get it.

[A]

What are you watching on TV right now?

[B]

I'm not, I'm not watching anything. Great. I'm watching 90 Day Fiance, so.

[A]

Oh, really? Are you a Housewives person?

[B]

Yes, I am.

[A]

Are you watching Rhode Island?

[B]

I haven't started. Is it amazing? Stop.

[A]

It's amazing.

[B]

No. Really?

[A]

Yes. It's early Salt Lake.

[B]

Oh, I know what I'm doing tonight.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, it's only four episodes out. It's fantastic.

[B]

You just changed my life.

[A]

Okay, so we're gonna do the tell you what's wrongs really quickly. I'm in love with my brother's oldest, closest friend. I always used to joke around saying I'm going to marry him. But now I have a boyfriend who's been really great. We've been dating for a bit, but my brother's best friend, best man too, kind of just told me at my brother's wedding. The feeling between us is mutual. I'm like freaking out. It's been a couple of days and I haven't seen him since. What do I do?

[B]

I have so many questions.

[A]

Yeah, that is the. Oftentimes the case.

[B]

Well, I think the simple answer is that if you're into him and he's into you, then you should probably pursue it. Because it sounds to me like the boyfriend is a nice guy, not much more. Yeah, nice guys are good. But if you have a crush on somebody else and there's chemistry and they are reciprocating, then you should probably give that a shot. I mean, you can break up with a nice guy.

[A]

I think so too. And I think it hurts to be. It hurts them as well. If you're just in the relationship for

[B]

convenience and it's not gonna go away.

[A]

No, never.

[B]

It's not gonna change.

[A]

Exactly. You're always going to be wondering what if?

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

So yeah, if I had a crush on someone for 10 years and they told me that they liked me back, I would dump whoever was in front of me. Yeah.

[B]

And by the way, that's like a feat. 10 years is a long time and you still give a. Yeah, you should probably do it.

[A]

Yeah, I'm having a hard time knowing.

[B]

Boyfriend's like, fuck you.

[A]

I know. I literally, like, because of therapist, my relationship ended. I'm having a hard time knowing how to end a friendship that hasn't really even started. There's a girl I've hung out with a couple of times now who I'm just not interested in developing a friendship with, so. But she keeps on asking me to hang out with these exhausting plans. It feels like more like work than it needs to be. Than it needs to be. But the thing is, we're both in the theater and dance scenes in my city, and we have an upcoming project we're both working on, so I don't want to ghost her, be unintentionally rude.

[B]

That's actually a really hard problem.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because when you started reading, I was like, don't fudgeing reply.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But that's tricky because. Yeah, that. That. That's a real. That's actually a conundrum, as they say in the olden days.

[A]

I don't know how to. How would you go about that?

[B]

You do. That's. That takes some massaging. I understand why it's a complicated issue for her. I would. It. Here's the thing. You can manage it, but it's work. That's the only annoying thing. Right. It's like, you can. You can manage it. You can massage it. You can kind of like let her know that you're maybe more of a short person so you don't get all wordy with it. You're just like, can't do it tonight. Just be short with it. Right. But you're not mean and you're not ignoring her, but just like, can't do tonight. Don't even get into it. Don't ever explain why. And hopefully she'll get the message. Because you're not being flowery about it, but you're also not ignoring her.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then if she's like, well, you didn't.

[B]

Yeah, just be like, I'm crazy right now.

[A]

Yeah, just set your boundaries now.

[B]

I'm gonna be crazy for the next 10 years, right?

[A]

Actually, yeah. For forever, actually.

[B]

It's gonna be really busy.

[A]

My boyfriend of three years told me last night that he wants to. Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

That he wants to help me lose weight and be healthier because he wants to marry someone who is fit and cares about their health. I think I should be furious. But these align with my goals too. For reference, I've gained some comfortable weight since we started dating. Should I take that from him? Or is this tough love?

[B]

No. Fuck, no. Like, I want to murder this guy.

[A]

Yeah, that's how. That's. That's outrageous.

[B]

That's not. And three, she's been with him for three years, and he's never shown any signs of, like, hey, baby, those pants look tight. Like, he's never done that.

[A]

That's outrageous. I would break up immediately.

[B]

Yeah. This guy is no good. Honestly, it's just. That's not good. And even if they align with your wants and needs and ideas, like, that should be on you. That's your aspiration. Nobody who loves you should ever, ever say anything about the way you look and how that should be improved. Like, I just. I don't have a friend like that in my life. Sometimes I kind of wish I do because I look back at photos, I'm like, does anybody who love me, why did you not tell me I shouldn't wear that?

[A]

You know, I don't think I've ever seen a photo of you where you look bad ever.

[B]

That's very sweet, but I've had some questionable hair choices. But, no, this. What's her name?

[A]

That we don't know.

[B]

Oh, we don't know. Susan, listen to me. Drop this motherfucker.

[A]

Drop him? Yeah, drop him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I got bored at work and went snooping through messages between my boss and a potential new hire on the phone we have at work and found out my Boss is offering $10 an hour more to this new hire for the same position I'm working in. And this person has less experience. And I've been here for two years. Help. What do I do? I feel like I can't say anything because I shouldn't have gone through the text messages.

[B]

That sucks. Because you don't want to know that. Right. And you want to feel valued at your job. And that's probably something now that's going to be really hard to kind of forget about. I think that's always going to be in the foreground. But don't fucking do like that.

[A]

Like, don't go through someone else.

[B]

Yeah, don't do it. Like you're going to find something you don't like. You know, it's like girls are going through, like, either break up or just don't. Don't do shit like that. You know, you're going to find something that's going to just stay in your head no matter how small or big it is, and doesn't need to be, like, a big thing. But, like, don't go through people's shit.

[A]

Like, I'M so against it as well. I did it once when I was 18, and I was like, I'm just. I'm never doing this again. There's no rhyme or reason. Like, I don't want someone going through my shit.

[B]

But there's also no good experience because you're going to find out something that's not going to sit well with you.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

It's not good, but, yeah. This is a tricky one. I don't know. You're partly to blame for your own problem here. And it's probably not going to go away. I don't know. I don't know. What do you think she should do? Is it for her?

[A]

I would be looking for other jobs on the side and leave once I found an offer that I'm comfortable accepting. And learn how to learn never to go through my boss's phone ever again.

[B]

Yeah. Maybe start with that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, Charlize, what did we learn today?

[B]

What did we learn? We learned we like Uber more than left.

[A]

We learned that you're gonna watch There

[B]

Goes my Lift campaign.

[A]

Is it bad? I kind of thought the same thing. I was like, wait, we love Lift. Yeah.

[B]

We can editorialize this to work in your favor.

[A]

We love that you are a Housewives fan.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm. I'm massive. Somebody asked me yesterday if you had to do a TED Talk right now. Like, what's the subject that you feel like you could really confidently talk? I was like, housewives. I gotta talk. I can do about Housewives.

[A]

Do you like. You like Salt Lake?

[B]

I assume I do. I love. Yeah, Salt Lake is good. I really love Potomac as well. Yeah.

[A]

Who's your favorite on Salt Lake?

[B]

I like them all, but, I mean, if I was, like, gonna hang out. Heather. Like, I'd love to, like, hang out with Heather, but then I just love all the drama.

[A]

I am obsessed with Lisa Barlow.

[B]

Yeah, I know. She's pretty amazing.

[A]

Like, she wasn't in one episode. They mentioned her, what, 50 times?

[B]

Yeah, no, she starts. She starts a lot of shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, she starts a lot of.

[A]

They know their job on that show, and for that, I appreciate it.

[B]

Yeah. I just love all the hair. Always touching her.

[A]

Yes. She's always, always touching her hair. Yeah. And I love. I. At first, I didn't really care, and now I really love Angie.

[B]

Oh, yes. You have to. I mean, come on. She comes out of nowhere. Which is your favorite one? Salt Lace.

[A]

Yeah. And Salt Lake.

[B]

Salt Lake is your favorite. Yeah.

[A]

But Rhode island is giving early Salt Lake.

[B]

I love your excitement about it.

[A]

It is so good of me and someone I work with. Manny have been talking about it all day.

[B]

I saw it as I was scrolling because I. Fridays is Beverly Hills. So I was, you know, searching for that one and I saw it and I was like, I don't know. Like, I'm always suspicious of a new housewives. I'm like, because Dubai didn't quite work.

[A]

Well, that like Vancouver.

[B]

Really? No, it's Canada. They're all nice. You can't like do a housewives in Vancouver.

[A]

The reason Rhode island were like, oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Apologizing to each other constantly.

[A]

The reason Rhode island works is because they could have gone two ways. They could have gone like very high end women who don't want to share anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or they could have gone with women who are like, this is my moment to make it on reality television. I will reveal all. And that's what they went with. And it worked.

[B]

Mic drop. Let's go. Let's cut this. I gotta go.

[A]

Well, Charlize, thank you so much for.

[B]

Thank you. I really appreciate this. Thank you. This is so fun. Really fun.

[A]

Yes. I'm glad. I'm glad you had a good time too.

[B]

Thank you. Bye. Spring just slid into your DMs. Grab that boho. Look for that rooftop dinner. Those sandals that can keep up with you. And hang some string lights to give your patio a glow up. Spring's calling. Ross, work your magic.