Session 120: Kylie Jenner

Summary

Podcast Summary: Therapuss with Jake Shane

Session 120: Kylie Jenner
Date: May 14, 2026
Guests: Jake Shane (host), Kylie Jenner (guest), Louise (co-host)

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Episode Overview

In this warm, candid, and refreshingly unfiltered therapy-style session, Jake Shane and co-host Louise welcome Kylie Jenner for a conversation that effortlessly flows between introspection and humor. Kylie opens up about career choices, motherhood, internet culture, personal boundaries, and pop culture nostalgia, all while dispensing advice to audience submissions. Red wine is poured, boundaries are dropped, and laughter and vulnerability intermingle, making for a highly relatable and memorable episode.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Kylie’s Foray into Acting and Regret over Opportunities

• Kylie discusses her first steps into acting, sharing her excitement about filming with Charli XCX just after Coachella ([02:09]).
• She admits to turning down some acting roles out of uncertainty and fear, adding,

  "A few things have come my way that I said no to. That honestly, I kind of regret. But it's okay because something else will happen." (Kylie Jenner, 02:45)

• Anxiety in decision-making is acknowledged, with Kylie noting how time-pressured choices often lead her to opt out out of fear ([03:09]).

Gaming, Nostalgia, and Fandom

• Kylie surprises with her love for The Sims, GameCube classics, and a newfound obsession with Zelda: Breath of the Wild on Nintendo Switch ([04:00-07:24]).
• She walks through the premise of Zelda, self-deprecating about her “nerd” status:

  "Oh my God, I'm gonna sound like such a nerd... I'm so sorry to all the Zelda fans out there." (Kylie Jenner, 05:18/05:45)

• The group gushes over gaming and Tumblr, and Kylie calls Pinterest her grown-up Tumblr ([07:41]).

Motherhood: Candid Accounts of Pregnancy and Pain

• Kylie opens up about chronic back pain and the physical toll of two pregnancies ([09:36-10:31]).
• She reveals:

  "I was 200 pounds when I went in to give birth to my daughter. Oh. I was, like, 210 with my son. All of that went out. I gained, like, 65 pounds with my son." (Kylie Jenner, 10:27)

• Recounts her viral “Dear Stormi” video and the emotionally complex experience of keeping her first pregnancy private ([11:00-12:21]).

The Press, Paparazzi, and Living in the Spotlight

• Kylie candidly describes feeling isolated during her first pregnancy due to intense scrutiny by paparazzi ([11:29-12:21]).
• She shares firsthand the harassment in her teens:

  "The things that they would say to me and how they would treat me as a child... Is diabolical. Like, inappropriate." (Kylie Jenner, 41:40) "I didn't have security until after I had my daughter because I really didn't want to be. I really wanted to not have security. I wanted to be normal." (Kylie Jenner, 42:34)

Social Media, Nostalgia, and Online Identity

• Discusses the transition from Tumblr and Vine to Instagram and Pinterest ([07:41-08:05]; [21:37-22:15]).
• "King Kylie" moniker traced back to fan interactions and Snapchat ([25:32-26:06]).
• Talks about curating Instagram dumps, the pressure to pick the perfect song, and being more intentional and selective these days ([15:11-16:40]):

  "The songs are the hardest for me... There's no way you can be under pressure, about to post this dump... they have to be—we have to do better." (Kylie Jenner, 15:21)

Family Dynamics & Sibling Relationships

• Kylie relishes early reality TV memories and how filming “brought us all together” ([20:48-21:17]).
• She reflects on coming of age before omnipresent cell phones and the last generation of “freedom” ([28:37-29:06]).
• On her relationship with Kendall:

  "She's like my favorite person on the planet... We are, like, totally different people. It's really interesting. She's type A. I'm type B." (Kylie Jenner, 36:43/36:51/36:58)

• Shares lighthearted stories about childhood friends and first roommates ([26:38-27:48]).

Personal Style & Fashion

• Kylie gives advice on breaking out of style ruts and embracing simplicity and personal confidence ([44:52-47:22]):

  "Go through your closet, really try on everything and see what fits you the best. Downsize." (Kylie Jenner, 45:16)

• Emphasizes the power of accessories:

  "Sometimes it's about the accessories." (Kylie Jenner, 47:22)

Advice to Listeners

In true “Therapuss” style, Kylie and the hosts respond to audience submissions on confidence, relationships, anxiety, and forming personal boundaries:

• On pulling away in dating out of fear of rejection:

  "It's like jumping into cold water. Like, you just have to do it." (Louise, 48:05)

• On feeling unintellectual in creative circles:

  "You're not gonna be super educated in every single—or maybe you are. Slay. But I don't think..." (Kylie Jenner, 48:34)

• On telling a friend you need more alone time:

  "My only advice to that is clear communication... in any relationship." (Kylie Jenner, 53:20)

• On breaking up with a therapist who isn’t helpful:

  "She needs to move on. Break up with your therapist? And who cares if she knows everything, right?" (Kylie Jenner, 58:17/58:21)

• On processing numbness after a breakup:

  "As an adult, instead of getting into routine where time moves really fast, do new things... I started doing things to help time move a little bit slower." (Kylie Jenner, 57:02)

Pop Culture and TV

• Kylie's current obsessions: The Testaments (Handmaid’s Tale spinoff), Beef, The Enemy, rewatching Gossip Girl and Vampire Diaries, and her Letterboxd habits ([33:07-34:28], [35:16-36:06]).
• Shares favorite shows and movie theater memories.

Food, Cooking, and Comfort

• Kylie loves to cook (steak, tacos, pancakes, and especially “mommy potatoes”) and swears by Thanksgiving food ([37:54-39:08]).
• They bond over fried chicken, candied yams, Crumbl cookies, and the comfort of food shared with friends ([39:51-40:17]).

On Boundaries, Social Media Detox, and Mental Health

• Explains she’s not in therapy, and instead relies on self-awareness and periodic social media “detoxes” ([59:03-59:23]):

  "What I do often, which I think is really healthy, is like, delete the apps... and just, like, delete the apps. Live life." (Kylie Jenner, 59:16)

Luxuries and Lifestyle

• They gush over Birkins, bag collections, sharing that it’s a love language with her mom ([18:21-20:12]).
• Vacation memories in Turks & Caicos and the Bahamas; reveals Turks & Caicos is her “favorite place ever” ([59:44-60:11]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On vulnerability and new experiences:

  "When you're a kid, time moves really slow...because you were experiencing so many new things at once. So as an adult...do new things." (Kylie Jenner, 57:02)

• On style and confidence:

  "If I'm freaking out about an outfit too much... I'm just gonna put on my favorite pair of jeans and a white top, and I'm gonna enjoy the night." (Kylie Jenner, 46:41)

• On social media performance:

  "It's hard for me to maybe. It's like I just...I really work a lot more than you did when you and I did then." (Kylie Jenner, 16:15)

• On boundaries and privacy:

  "I didn't have security until after I had my daughter because I really didn't want to be. I really wanted to not have security. I wanted to be normal." (Kylie Jenner, 42:34)

• Playful banter:

  "Sometimes I think I'm depressed, and then I get a spray tan and I'm like. I was just pale." (Kylie Jenner, 14:25)

• On Paparazzi’s behavior:

  "I don't even know how I'm like a normal person right now... the things that they would say to me and how they would treat me as a child... is diabolical." (Kylie Jenner, 41:40)

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Important Timestamps

• [02:09] – Kylie talks about acting for the first time and post-Coachella filming
• [05:12] – Kylie explains the Zelda game plot
• [10:27] – Kylie describes weight gain and cravings during pregnancy
• [11:00-12:21] – Kylie reflects on hiding her first pregnancy and the public “Dear Stormi” video
• [15:11] – Insight into Instagram dump curation
• [20:48] – Favorite early reality TV memories, family connection
• [28:37] – Growing up in the “last free generation” before constant digital surveillance
• [36:51] – The “type A vs. type B” sibling dynamic
• [44:52-47:22] – Kylie dispenses advice on finding personal style
• [53:20] – On communicating boundaries with extroverted friends
• [57:02] – Advice on slowing time with new experiences
• [59:16] – On social media detox and “raw dogging” life
• [59:44-60:11] – Turks & Caicos as the ultimate vacation spot

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Tone & Atmosphere

• The episode is warm, irreverent, and refreshingly human. The chemistry among Jake, Louise, and Kylie is natural, supportive, and playful. Kylie’s openness, anecdotes, and self-deprecation balance her star status with relatable vulnerability and humor.

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Why Listen?

For fans of Kylie or pop culture, this episode offers rare unfiltered access and relatable advice. For listeners seeking reassurance on anxiety, identity, boundaries, or nostalgia, Kylie’s responses are both validating and genuinely helpful.

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Memorable Closing:

• Louise to Kylie: "Well, Kylie, this has been a dream. Thank you for doing this." (62:27)
• Kylie: "I'm so happy. I couldn't be happier to be here." (62:29)

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Listen If…

You want the feeling of having wine on a Friday afternoon with a friend who just happens to be Kylie Jenner—laughing, swapping advice, and realizing even icons have moments of doubt, nostalgia, and joy in the ordinary.

Transcript

[Kylie Jenner]

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[Louise]

This is about to be the best day of my life.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah, I mean, same.

[Louise]

The king is here. I'm so excited.

[Kylie Jenner]

So happy to be here.

[Louise]

First off.

[Kylie Jenner]

Cheers. Cheers. I'm already having the best time.

[Louise]

I know. We were really just hanging in the back eyes.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh, sorry. Cheers. We're having red wine. It's like 1pm on a Friday. And we're having the best time.

[Louise]

We're having the best time. I'm so. I can't believe you're here. I couldn't sleep last night.

[Kylie Jenner]

I can't believe I'm here either.

[Louise]

I know.

[Kylie Jenner]

Not because I don't want to be here. I die for you. But, like, podcasts are just.

[Louise]

They're not.

[Kylie Jenner]

You don't do very new thing for me.

[Louise]

I know, but you're always going to keep saying that.

[Kylie Jenner]

Every podcast I go on, I'm going to be like, yeah, but this is

[Louise]

so special because this is one of the first.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah.

[Louise]

This and the Cuddy one.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes.

[Louise]

When you said you've seen my show, I thought you were kidding.

[Kylie Jenner]

Really?

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

We. We met. That's when we met.

[Louise]

Well, we met. Okay. You don't remember this. Tell me everything, but you were. It was at the Charlie XCX show at Coachella.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay.

[Louise]

And you walked by me.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay.

[Louise]

And I was just like. And that was our first meeting.

[Kylie Jenner]

I love that. That was a good show.

[Louise]

That was a great show.

[Kylie Jenner]

That was a day before I shot the movie with her.

[Louise]

You shot it the day after Coachella?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes. Isn't that crazy?

[Louise]

Where did she shoot it? In the desert?

[Kylie Jenner]

We shot it at my house in Palm Springs.

[Louise]

Right.

[Kylie Jenner]

And I was. I was like, super crazy about it not looking like my house because I'm like, this is gonna take people out of it.

[Louise]

Right.

[Kylie Jenner]

But, you know, they were in Ibita.

[Louise]

Huh.

[Kylie Jenner]

And so, yeah, we just did it in a hallway at my house the next day.

[Louise]

What was it like being an actress?

[Kylie Jenner]

It was amazing.

[Louise]

Really? Yes. Did you love it?

[Kylie Jenner]

I did.

[Louise]

Do you want to do more?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes.

[Louise]

You should.

[Kylie Jenner]

Thank you. A few things have come my way that I said no to. That honestly, I kind of regret. But it's okay because something else will happen.

[Louise]

It. What's did you say no for any particular reason?

[Kylie Jenner]

I feel like I don't know if anyone can relate to this. I didn't think it was right, but I also didn't have enough time to decide.

[Louise]

It was like, decide now, decide now.

[Kylie Jenner]

And I get in my head about it and then I end up saying no out of fear.

[Louise]

Are you an anxious person?

[Kylie Jenner]

I don't know. I wish Ariel was in the room because I feel like he's my second brain.

[Louise]

Arielle, Is she anxious

[Kylie Jenner]

about life? No.

[Louise]

No, you don't seem anxious. You don't read anxious.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay.

[Louise]

At all.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay.

[Louise]

And I'm like shaking. Have you. Did you see when I was drinking the wine, I was shaking.

[Kylie Jenner]

Let's breathe.

[Louise]

I honestly feel better.

[Kylie Jenner]

We needed that.

[Louise]

We needed that. We needed that. Now tell me about Zelda.

[Kylie Jenner]

This is a safe space. We were talking about Zelda earlier, cuz Jake was like, I love your Sims bit.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

But you guys, I went on vacation recently and I got. I bought a switch for the first time.

[Louise]

Okay. I almost bought one. I almost bought one yesterday. You're about to convince me I bought a switch.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm not even really this type of girl. Like I play Sims on my computer. It never really went. My gaming never really went further than that. I loved Halo. Like, I beat the first Halo game.

[Louise]

Call of Duty.

[Kylie Jenner]

No, Halo. Is that two completely different. Two completely different Halo.

[Louise]

What is Halo?

[Kylie Jenner]

Halo's another like it's in the future, but. But it's another like.

[Louise]

Okay, okay. So that was like. Okay, that was your thing.

[Kylie Jenner]

That was my thing with. With Kendall. And then what else did I play? I mean, back. GameCube.

[Louise]

Oh, I was a. I was a Game boy guy.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah, GameCube. What were we playing on there? Bomberman on GameCube? Yeah, the best. I bought a switch and basically looked up like, what are the most popular games on Switch? And I get any. Zelda has like Zelda's up there. Have you played Zelda?

[Louise]

Oh, yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

Zelda is, you know, there. Zelda's like one of the best games ever.

[Louise]

What it. What's the premise rated?

[Kylie Jenner]

Well, you are, Link.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Kylie Jenner]

You are 100 years ago. Oh my God, I'm gonna sound like such a nerd. A hundred years before you. You're. You're playing the game. 100 years prior, there was like a big war happened out with all the. With all the fantastic beasts. What are the beasts called? I. I remember the main guy.

[Louise]

It's like Gandorf or something.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah, Gandorf. But all the fantastic. Not the fantastic beasts. Hold on. I need to get this right.

[Louise]

This is perfect.

[Kylie Jenner]

Wait, the beasts in Zelda. I hate that I don't know their names. The Divine. The Divine Beast. The Divine Beast. I'm so sorry to all the Zelda fans out there. I'm still kind of new. I've already. I've already kind of conquered one of the Divine Beasts. I'm on to my second beast. But anyway, so, you know, 100 years prior, before you start playing the game, there was this big war. The world is like, you know, shambles, Shambles. Like, everything is.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

And then you get in there and you're Link and you're trying to save the world.

[Louise]

Oh, I like that.

[Kylie Jenner]

Save the world. And Princess Zelda, even though it's like 100 years later, she's still, like, thriving in the castle. You want to get to Princess Zelda? Were they in love? I don't know. There's a bunch of flashbacks. It's the most intricate you could be on that game. Like, I've. I've played.

[Louise]

Wait.

[Kylie Jenner]

So for days and hours, and you.

[Louise]

And there's, like, missions to complete.

[Kylie Jenner]

Basically, you're trying to get to Princess Zelda in the castle to save her. To save her and save the world from the Divine. Well, the Divine Beasts were. They were really on our side, but then they got taken over by Gandalf. Gandalf. So you have to enter the Divine Beasts and, like, snap them out of it. Snap them out of Gandorf.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Kylie Jenner]

I think.

[Louise]

I think I need. I think I'm going to get a switch.

[Kylie Jenner]

So anyway, that was a lot. But you need to get a switch and you need to play Zelda.

[Louise]

Wait, I'm gonna. I'm literally gonna post my one right after this.

[Kylie Jenner]

Right now?

[Louise]

Yeah, I'm gonna.

[Kylie Jenner]

Breath of the Wild.

[Louise]

Breath Zelda. Breath of the Wild.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah. That's the first.

[Louise]

Can we play? Like, can we connect? Oh, I know, cuz you can do that on Pokemon.

[Kylie Jenner]

I know. And Mario Kart. No.

[Louise]

Yeah, you can play when you're. You can. You can play Mario. I think you can do Wi Fi.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay.

[Louise]

Are you still on Tumblr?

[Kylie Jenner]

No.

[Louise]

No, I know.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm sorry.

[Louise]

Wait,

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm sorry. I'm not. I know. It was the best place. I'm on Pinterest. Pinterest gives me Pinterest.

[Louise]

Is Tumblr grown up?

[Kylie Jenner]

Pinterest gives me Tumblr. It does.

[Louise]

And do you have, like, mood boards that you like?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes, I do it all day.

[Louise]

Are they.

[Kylie Jenner]

Instead of, like, opening up my Instagram, I open up Pinterest.

[Louise]

Oh, really?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes. And you just scroll and I scroll. Inspiration, inspiration, inspiration. And it's, like, curated to me and the things that I like. So I'm like, oh, that would be cool for a cosmetic shoot coming up. Put it in the da, da, da. And then I have, like, a 2026, like, outfit vibes.

[Louise]

Are you going to the mat?

[Kylie Jenner]

I am.

[Louise]

Were you wearing.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm wearing Schiaparelli. Oh. Should I just, like, show you a picture instead of explaining it to get your reaction?

[Louise]

I'm gagged.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay. I don't have the final dress, but I'll show you the sketch.

[Louise]

Shut up.

[Kylie Jenner]

This is not me.

[Louise]

Shut up.

[Kylie Jenner]

Another piece.

[Louise]

It looks like I'm Louise. You have to come see this.

[Kylie Jenner]

I mean, I'm already, like, speechless, and then it's, like, falling off. You know what I mean? It's gonna look different than that because, you know this guy.

[Louise]

So it's like. It's real art. You're wearing art.

[Kylie Jenner]

So I'm wearing art. And we're celebrating Art, art.

[Louise]

Well, Kylie, what are you therapist about today?

[Kylie Jenner]

What am I therapist about? I haven't heard this before. I'm therapist about. I'm therapist about getting over this cold.

[Louise]

I knew you were gonna say that.

[Kylie Jenner]

We're getting to know each other.

[Louise]

Yeah, we are. I knew you were gonna say that.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm really therapist about this cold. I just. It's been 10 days, and I don't know if you guys feel like as you get older, it's harder to, like, kick something in the.

[Louise]

But I just threw my back out for the first time.

[Kylie Jenner]

Stop.

[Louise]

Yes.

[Kylie Jenner]

I have really bad back issues.

[Louise]

I was. I was like, I'm going to tell her that I threw my back out, But I guess I feel like she's never thrown her back out.

[Kylie Jenner]

I have had chronic back pain for, like, three and a half years. It's just starting to get better. But I. My son. My last pregnancy, it, like, really took me out.

[Louise]

Oh, really? That. It was. Was. It dir. It was during.

[Kylie Jenner]

Was like, 12 weeks into the pregnancy. I just woke up one day, and I'm like, ooh, I can't really walk. And I had, like, crazy sciatica pain and crazy lower back pain. So I'm just thinking. And I was in the best shape of my life before that pregnancy, so I really had high expectations. I really wanted to, like, work out. I gained 60 pounds with my daughter. I was 200 pounds when I went in to give birth to my daughter. Oh. I was, like, 210 with my son. All of that went out. I gained, like, 65 pounds with my son.

[Louise]

What. What were you like?

[Kylie Jenner]

I was huge.

[Louise]

What were you craving?

[Kylie Jenner]

Everything I ate. Everything. I ate a pint of ice cream every night.

[Louise]

You're lying.

[Kylie Jenner]

No, I just dove right in.

[Louise]

What flavor?

[Kylie Jenner]

Rainbow sherbet.

[Louise]

Yeah. Yum.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah, I ate lots of ice cream. Just lots of carbs, bagels in the beginning. My nausea was horrible with my son, so if I didn't eat, it'd be really bad.

[Louise]

Which pregnancy was easier?

[Kylie Jenner]

The first one. That was a breeze.

[Louise]

God, I. It's so funny, you talking. Well, it's not funny, but you talking about this. It's like I remember everything happening in real time. Like, I remember. When was it? The dear Stormy video.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah. To our daughter.

[Louise]

Stopped the world. Stop the world. I was in high school. We all stopped what we were doing to watch the video.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh, my God. I remember seeing. I didn't realize it was gonna be like that. All the reaction videos to people watching it and, like, gathering in the living room. Like, this is crazy, because you.

[Louise]

You didn't leave your house for a while, if I remember. And there was, like, helicopters circling above your house to try to get pop shots of you.

[Kylie Jenner]

And they would take pictures of anything and just write a story like, oh, it's a crib. I'm like, that's a couch.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

You know, so that was crazy. I really didn't leave the house. I felt like at the time, you know, reflecting back to it, I felt like I was protecting myself. And I was, in a way. But I. Like, right when I posted that video, I sobbed for, like, three hours because it felt like so much weight on my shoulders and. And just a big thing that I was, like, hiding from the world. And I was, you know, worried about everyone's reactions, and. And it was just so emotional. And I'm like, huh, Maybe next time I wouldn't do that.

[Louise]

Right?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah.

[Louise]

And did it feel good not hiding it the second time?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah. But then I couldn't leave my bed anyway because I was, like, in so much back pain and sciatica pain. I was like. And lots of things were happening with my vagina. Guy was three centimeters dilated for like, a month and a half, two months. Like, the baby was, like, falling out, and my doctor's like, you have to stay in bed.

[Louise]

How. What is it like seeing your kids grow up?

[Kylie Jenner]

It's the best. I feel like. I'll let you talk.

[Louise]

No, no. But I had nothing to say.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay, let's take a wine break.

[Louise]

Yeah. Eyes. I'M so nervous.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh, don't be nervous.

[Louise]

I know you're the Mecca. What?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes. I just want to kiss you.

[Louise]

Oh, I want to kiss you.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm having the best time.

[Louise]

I know because you would tell me,

[Kylie Jenner]

and I think you're the cutest person on the whole planet.

[Louise]

I love you.

[Kylie Jenner]

I really do.

[Louise]

This is the best day of my life.

[Kylie Jenner]

And your last thirst trap.

[Louise]

You saw.

[Kylie Jenner]

I saw that.

[Louise]

You saw that?

[Kylie Jenner]

It was, like, on my for you page or something.

[Louise]

You're lying.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm not lying. I opened Instagram and it was you.

[Louise]

What'd you think?

[Kylie Jenner]

I thought it was so sexy.

[Louise]

I've been really in the gym.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm so proud of you. Doesn't it feel so good?

[Louise]

It and it just. I want to show everyone does any.

[Kylie Jenner]

Don't you feel so. I love being in the gym.

[Louise]

It's. I love being in the gym. I love sweating, and then I love feeling like. Well, the best is when you wake up. Morning skinny. And then you go to the gym still on Morning skinny. And then you work out and then you like tone. Morning morning skinny. The best that when I had a tan.

[Kylie Jenner]

Do you stay? Do you have a real tan?

[Louise]

No. So that was fake tan.

[Kylie Jenner]

There's nothing that feels better than a spray tan.

[Louise]

Nothing.

[Kylie Jenner]

Fresh spray tan, like, it's.

[Louise]

It's God's gift to this green earth. You feel, like, fitter. You feel hotter.

[Kylie Jenner]

Totally.

[Louise]

You just feel sexy. Like, your face has this, like, subtle glow to you.

[Kylie Jenner]

Sometimes I think I'm depressed, and then I get a spray tan and I'm like. I was just pale.

[Louise]

Yeah. You know, what is a bad day look like for you?

[Kylie Jenner]

A bad day. I don't have any bad days. No, of course I have bad days. I mean, it depends what's happening, right? You know, I've had. Really. I've had bad days.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

What the is happening?

[Louise]

I don't know.

[Kylie Jenner]

We need a sip of wine. Cheers.

[Louise]

I've never been this nervous or silent

[Kylie Jenner]

on a podcast ever.

[Louise]

What's wrong with me today?

[Kylie Jenner]

You're doing great. Just like you're doing great. You don't seem nervous at all.

[Louise]

You're lying.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm not lying.

[Louise]

Okay. Louise and I were talking. When you curate an Instagram dump, how do you pick your song?

[Kylie Jenner]

Thank you for asking. The songs are the hardest for me.

[Louise]

Every time.

[Kylie Jenner]

The songs are so hard. I know a few people who are really good at it. I think they're keep. I think they're keeping it in their notes or something.

[Louise]

You think?

[Kylie Jenner]

I think they're like prepared for this because there's no way you can be under pressure. You're about to post this dump that you've been working on for hours and you could just pick a perfect song. They have to be. We have to do better.

[Louise]

Do you work on it for hours? Yes, they do. It really doesn't read that way. That's like your whole, like. Like that, like, is your whole vibe to me. Like, it's just like. You just do it and it happens.

[Kylie Jenner]

I love that. Is there like. Do you have any notes?

[Louise]

Note for your dumps?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah, for my dumps or for my posts. Like, do you wish that?

[Louise]

No, I would only say more. I just want more. Like Every. Like your 2016 post. I was sat.

[Kylie Jenner]

I know. I don't know who that was anymore.

[Louise]

Yes, you. You don't know.

[Kylie Jenner]

It's hard for me to maybe. It's like I just. I really work a lot more than you did when you and I did then.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

Like every day I feel like all I do is just like I'm working or I'm at the office and then I'm with my children and then I'm working on myself and then I'm, you know, in a relationship and then I'm have my friends and then I.

[Louise]

Right.

[Kylie Jenner]

So it's like I not like back then I felt like I had more free time to just like play.

[Louise]

What. What was it like looking back at that era?

[Kylie Jenner]

It was amazing.

[Louise]

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[Kylie Jenner]

What color?

[Louise]

Chocolate brown.

[Kylie Jenner]

Gorgeous.

[Louise]

I got it in Japan at Amore.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay.

[Louise]

The. It's a shoulder. Shoulder strap Birkin.

[Kylie Jenner]

Like the JPG one?

[Louise]

I think so I.

[Kylie Jenner]

Or Kelly?

[Louise]

No, it's like.

[Kylie Jenner]

Do you have a picture? Let's see the picture.

[Louise]

It's like.

[Kylie Jenner]

Is it camel? No, it's chocolate.

[Louise]

It's chocolate brown, and it's. Okay.

[Kylie Jenner]

What is it? Silver Hardware.

[Louise]

Silver Hardware.

[Kylie Jenner]

Gorgeous.

[Louise]

Do you have a favorite Birkin?

[Kylie Jenner]

The one that I wore today. I die for the matte Black Croc with the silver that I wear, like, every day.

[Louise]

Huh.

[Kylie Jenner]

And then the Himalayan diamonds is also like.

[Louise]

Are you sourcing these, or are you buying these direct from the store?

[Kylie Jenner]

Most of them direct from the store. Older ones that I have, I have sourced them, but now I just. If I'm gonna buy it, I just. That's gorgeous. Wait.

[Louise]

And I beat it up.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm obsessed with this. It's, like, long.

[Louise]

It's long. It's very long.

[Kylie Jenner]

This is gorgeous. Wow, this is really cool. And it's like. Like, I want this bag.

[Louise]

I'll bring it. I'll bring it down. I'll show you.

[Kylie Jenner]

We need to see it in person. This is everything. And it. It's like a work bag.

[Louise]

I bring it. It's a work bag.

[Kylie Jenner]

It's a travel bag.

[Louise]

I bring it on the plane. I feel so kind bringing it with the. Walking through the airport and throwing it on the thingy.

[Kylie Jenner]

Like, that's everything.

[Louise]

When did you start your bag collection?

[Kylie Jenner]

I got my first bag from my mommy, I think for, like, my 18th birthday. Most of my new bags now are from my mom. It's like our. It's our love language, sharing back Christmas, Birkin birthday Birkin. And we just back and forth, back and forth. Oh, isn't that beautiful?

[Louise]

When I spoke to her at Vanity Fair, she did say you were her favorite kid right now.

[Kylie Jenner]

We have a beautiful relationship.

[Louise]

What. What was it like growing up? Like, do you Remember a before cameras?

[Kylie Jenner]

I do, yes. But not a lot of memories really. So I was nine years old.

[Louise]

Like they were there one day and

[Kylie Jenner]

just they were there one day in the house and everyone made it seem really normal. So it felt pretty natural, I will say.

[Louise]

Do you have a favorite memory from filming? Like the earlier seasons?

[Kylie Jenner]

The earlier seasons were the best. And so many memories. I felt like it really kind of brought us all together. It still does today. And like we're all hanging out this Sunday. We, we're doing like a movie night at my mom's house. No cameras. But other than that, our, like our schedules and our lives and our kids and everything. It gets to be a lot that filming really brings us and keeps us together because we all, we're working together.

[Louise]

It's like family dinner. It's like, yeah, everyone come and film.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah. So it's been a blessing and. And yeah. So many fun memories. The beginning was the best.

[Louise]

Everything.

[Kylie Jenner]

Everything.

[Louise]

I watch it when I'm sad.

[Kylie Jenner]

Me too.

[Louise]

It's the best. I mean, you remember the vine? My family's in there.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh yeah.

[Louise]

You were vine queen.

[Kylie Jenner]

Vine was the best.

[Louise]

I miss it every day.

[Kylie Jenner]

Me too. I can't believe it's just like deleted.

[Louise]

Do you remember any of your vines?

[Kylie Jenner]

Of course.

[Louise]

Do you remember the shirt you wore?

[Kylie Jenner]

Which one?

[Louise]

It was. There was holes in it. It was like off the shoulder.

[Kylie Jenner]

The gray one. Yeah, yeah.

[Louise]

Do you still have.

[Kylie Jenner]

No. I know. That would have been so special to ring to you.

[Louise]

I know. And Keek.

[Kylie Jenner]

Keek, of course.

[Louise]

Keek was. Keek was. What was Keek?

[Kylie Jenner]

So Keek was actually a deal that came to us after, I think. Yes, I know you heard it here first. I was getting what I was getting paid to do.

[Louise]

You were getting paid to do Keek?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes.

[Louise]

You did a fucking stand up job, let me tell you.

[Kylie Jenner]

Thank you.

[Louise]

Because everyone started using and I like hat.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes. And I had to keep you've low key.

[Louise]

Lived so many lives.

[Kylie Jenner]

I have now that I'm honestly sitting here talking to you. I do feel that way.

[Louise]

You used to, like when you were on the show, you were like telling. You were like, we used to shut down malls.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes.

[Louise]

Used to shut the mall down.

[Kylie Jenner]

Shut the mall down.

[Louise]

You wrote books.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes, absolutely. The malls were shut down. Kendall and I talk about that often. Because when you're in it and you're so young, you don't even realize like what's happening.

[Louise]

Right.

[Kylie Jenner]

And then when you are an adult and you look back to it, you're like, oh my God, we Were children, and we had no idea, like, this was how crazy this was.

[Louise]

Right. It was just life. It was like you were just working.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes, we were just working. And. And it just. It was wild.

[Louise]

And do you. Is there, like, one job you remember that? You're like, what the.

[Kylie Jenner]

Was that, like, the appearances or, like, appearances or anything? Oh, my God. For sure. There's definitely. There's definitely memories that Kendall and I will send to each other all the time. Like, wait, what? We did this? There's, like, photos that we find that we're like, this was crazy. But I think I can think of at the top of my head, there were a few mall appearances. Like, going to Australia.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Kylie Jenner]

Was really crazy. Like, I've never seen more people. Fans in my whole life.

[Louise]

But what were you there for? Were you promoting the book?

[Kylie Jenner]

We were there for pacsun, I think.

[Louise]

Oh, how could I forget?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah, of course.

[Louise]

How could I forget? The pacs on collab.

[Kylie Jenner]

The pacsun collab. We were there for pacsun.

[Louise]

For some reason, pacsun reminds me of the Malibu Country Mart, even though I don't think there was one there. Yeah, but I remember your Malibu Country Mart era.

[Kylie Jenner]

Loved Malibu Country Mart. Oh, my God. I was just looking at photos because I'm in a girls chat right now, and, like, I have to show you these photos. And they all want to plan a Brandy trip. Like, they're like, we have to go after hours to Brandy. I mean, like, Haley's like, where it all started. And I'm like, stop. Babe, we have the same shirt.

[Louise]

Shut the fudge up.

[Kylie Jenner]

And we're just all sending photos like, hello, Randy. That shirt, this shirt, that shirt. I go, if we don't come out of here with stripes, you're.

[Louise]

You did it wrong.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah, I'm like, I'm definitely joining you guys.

[Louise]

The mist. The Malibu Country Marts changed so much,

[Kylie Jenner]

though, over the years.

[Louise]

Uk, My God.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh, the Tim's. Like, what?

[Louise]

The Tim's.

[Kylie Jenner]

The Sims.

[Louise]

When did you start using Tumblr?

[Kylie Jenner]

Tumblr was. I don't remember.

[Louise]

Do you remember your URL?

[Kylie Jenner]

California class.

[Louise]

Yeah, California class.

[Kylie Jenner]

I have no idea.

[Louise]

Remember the episode where Kim was so jealous of your Tumblr?

[Kylie Jenner]

I always, like, you know, they've come. They come around. Like, I was on Snapchat, and they were like, what is Snapchat? And then they. And then, like, you know, is that

[Louise]

where King Kylie started? It was on a Snapchat username.

[Kylie Jenner]

King Kylie started because I saw someone. I saw someone call me that, and you were just like, yeah, like, That's King Kylie. Like, I heard it, like in an interview, like someone talking about it. I don't even remember where at this point. And I was like, king Kylie, I die for that.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

And then I just ran with it. I don't even remember how that happened.

[Louise]

I don't remember life before.

[Kylie Jenner]

This is so cute.

[Louise]

Oh, I know. That was when Lord came.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh.

[Louise]

That's when everyone still lived here. Did you ever have a roommate?

[Kylie Jenner]

My first house. Stoss lived with me and Jordan.

[Louise]

Was that fun?

[Kylie Jenner]

It was a lot of fun. I needed that at that time. Yeah, I don't think I could have. We also were so attached before that that it would have just felt unnatural too.

[Louise]

How did you guys all meet? School.

[Kylie Jenner]

I met Stoss super early days. She was like, stoss times 100. And in Calabasas, the only thing to really do is go to the commons on Friday. Do you know what the commons is? Yeah, it's like an outdoor mall.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

And it's movie theater. Pick up sticks. So then she came to the commons and she was wearing like. She had one broken leg and she was like hopping on a broken leg. The other leg was like a ugg. She was wearing the shortest shorts you've ever seen in your whole life. I was like, oh, my God, I could never go out like that.

[Louise]

Huh.

[Kylie Jenner]

I saw her at the thing and I was like. And the personality in this. And like, I'm like, she's like me.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

She's like a different version of me. And she was just crazy. And I thought. I thought her craziness was, like, amazing. And then I saw her again through a mutual friend. And I think she thought my craziness was amazing because I showed up and I was running around the house and I came dressed in like a costume and I was just Kylie. And then we had a sleepover that night and literally she moved in. We never like, for four years.

[Louise]

That's beautiful.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah.

[Louise]

And then misfit started.

[Kylie Jenner]

And then misfit started.

[Louise]

Do you ever reminisce on those? Of course.

[Kylie Jenner]

Those. That's what was my childhood.

[Louise]

Did you ever get in trouble with your parents via something they found out that you did in the press?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes, but I never was really like that crazy. I think I was just very free spirited and very, like, funny and very. I still am that way. But I was never like, doing hard drugs or like.

[Louise]

So. Yeah, but were your parents, like, chill, like, with like, you drinking? Like, were they like a cool, cool parents or like, what?

[Kylie Jenner]

I was afraid of my parents. I definitely Respected them. I wouldn't say they were super lenient, but they. They gave me the space. And together. I was their 10th child.

[Louise]

Right.

[Kylie Jenner]

So I think there was. And they had me really late. Like, my mom had me at 42 almost, and my dad was a bit older. So I think they were just like, my mom was in work mode, and, yeah, they gave me the space, I don't think. I think, like, we were the last generation to really, like, grow up like that because we didn't have a cell phone. Our parents didn't know where we were all day.

[Louise]

You are the last generation to do that now. It's like. Can you imagine sending Stormy off?

[Kylie Jenner]

No.

[Louise]

The fact that she can, like, make cohesive sentences now. I know, is really crazy.

[Kylie Jenner]

I've entered a different, like, stage of motherhood.

[Louise]

What stage are you in?

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm in. I have an 8 year old. Stage 8. She's 8 years old. She's my age when we started Keeping up with the Kardashians, almost.

[Louise]

Why does that make me feel old?

[Kylie Jenner]

I know

[Louise]

what.

[Kylie Jenner]

I remember when I had her, and I used to be like, I'm gonna be 28 with an 8 year old.

[Louise]

You were 20 when you had Stormy.

[Kylie Jenner]

I was 19 when I got pregnant.

[Louise]

Were you, like, Can I ask what? Were you, like, freaking out?

[Kylie Jenner]

I was freaking out.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

I was freaking out. I was really scared to tell my parents.

[Louise]

And how did that go?

[Kylie Jenner]

And it was. I was really scared, but I knew I was really scared. But there was something just inside of me that knew that I wanted to do this. I had to make a decision for myself, like, what do I really want? What can I handle? And even if I have to do this alone or however, like, this is the choice that I'm going to make. And. And then I told my mom, put on the wine. Or, like, cry.

[Louise]

No, I'm. I was gonna say I'm drunk.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah. Now we're, like, crying.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

No one was, like, angry at me. No one. It was just. It was crazy. Crazy times.

[Louise]

Stormy ever asked, like, what do you do?

[Kylie Jenner]

Of course.

[Louise]

And does she, like, understand?

[Kylie Jenner]

She knows Mommy makes makeup.

[Louise]

Got it.

[Kylie Jenner]

And she loves to go to Ulta.

[Louise]

Really?

[Kylie Jenner]

She loves to go to Ulta. She loves to go to Ulta, shop for makeup and other products. And she likes to buy my things. And she likes my lip butter. She knows I make makeup. She knows I'm, like, always leaving for work.

[Louise]

Right.

[Kylie Jenner]

I go to the office, I travel. So I explained to her, you know, why this is important, why I need to leave. And I Try to keep her involved. I think it's important for her to know what her mom does and why I'm gone.

[Louise]

A thousand percent. Yeah. Wow. And does. Does she ever question cameras or is she just like, that's life.

[Kylie Jenner]

She actually loves it. And I have to be the one to, like, set boundaries because she want. We made a little tick tock last night, and she begged me to do it, and I could. Sometimes we make tick tocks and I'll just do it to. Because she thinks it's fun. And then I will never post them. But the. The one that we made last night, I did post. But she loves to be on camera. Like, did you see the paparazzi photos of us the other day going into the. What were that restaurant? And she was smiling big. She, like, when she sees a camera, she's like.

[Louise]

She's you. She loves it.

[Kylie Jenner]

Exactly.

[Louise]

How. When's her birthday?

[Kylie Jenner]

She's February 1st.

[Louise]

Oh, so she's in Aquarius or. Yeah, Aquarius. Right.

[Kylie Jenner]

February 1st. Leo rising. I'm a Leo. My son is February 2nd.

[Louise]

That's kind of crazy.

[Kylie Jenner]

It's crazy.

[Louise]

I finished my glass.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay. I'll finish it.

[Louise]

Oh, no, you have a lot to go.

[Kylie Jenner]

Of course. You're drunk.

[Louise]

I know that. I am a lot less nervous. You're very disarming.

[Kylie Jenner]

Thank you. Yeah, I love that.

[Louise]

And I've noticed that from the moment that I met you at that Charlie XCX show, I was like, oh, she, like, makes you feel like you're her friend, even if she.

[Kylie Jenner]

I don't ever want to make people. I don't want to come off.

[Louise]

You don't.

[Kylie Jenner]

Intimidating.

[Louise]

Well, you do, but you don't. If that makes sense. You're like the. The really, really pretty girl in high school who would make everyone feel special.

[Kylie Jenner]

It really is genuine. I don't want to make people feel scared. Yes.

[Louise]

What are you watching on tv?

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm watching the Testaments.

[Louise]

The Testaments.

[Kylie Jenner]

It's called the Testaments, Right. The Handmaids.

[Louise]

Oh, is it a spin off it?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Kylie Jenner]

And I love the Handmaid's Tale.

[Louise]

Huh?

[Kylie Jenner]

Die for the Handmaid's Tale.

[Louise]

Have you ever seen the show industry?

[Kylie Jenner]

I haven't.

[Louise]

You would love it. It's about stockbrokers in England.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay.

[Louise]

And they all, like, do drugs and party.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay.

[Louise]

Like each other. And it's like. Am I describing it correctly?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah. But it's really. It's kind of like succession. I'm gonna write it down.

[Louise]

You. It is the cuntiest show on television.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes.

[Louise]

The two Main girls fight all the time.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay.

[Louise]

And, like, they each other over and like, are like low key lovers.

[Kylie Jenner]

No, I'm always looking for a good new show.

[Louise]

What else? Industry is great.

[Kylie Jenner]

Should we keep going?

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

Wait, so I just watched the Caterpillar documentary. Have you seen that? But the guy, he changes his eye color.

[Louise]

What?

[Kylie Jenner]

That's. That one's a little crazy. I started the second season of Beef.

[Louise]

I haven't even seen the first.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm into it.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm really into it. I didn't finish the first season, but I. I'm into the second. What else?

[Louise]

Movies.

[Kylie Jenner]

I just watched the Enemy again by Denis Villeneuve.

[Louise]

Oh. Kind of. Cinepile. Do you have a letterbox?

[Kylie Jenner]

I do, but I, like, downloaded it because my friends made me. And then I just never open the app again. The Enemy is kind of crazy. You should watch it.

[Louise]

What's it about?

[Kylie Jenner]

You just have to watch it.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Kylie Jenner]

It's about a guy who is watching movies and sees someone in the movie that's looks exactly like him, and then it goes from there.

[Louise]

How old is it? 2013.

[Kylie Jenner]

2013.

[Louise]

Did you ever go to IPAC?

[Kylie Jenner]

Of course.

[Louise]

You know, it just closed.

[Kylie Jenner]

I know. I'm so upset.

[Louise]

It's so sad.

[Kylie Jenner]

It's so sad. That was my theater because they always had, like, we would always do little private things there all the time.

[Louise]

Did you watch 902.0 as a kid?

[Kylie Jenner]

I didn't.

[Louise]

You would have loved 90210.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm trying to think of what I watched.

[Louise]

Gossip Girl.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes. Earlier seasons.

[Louise]

Yeah. Like Vampire Diaries.

[Kylie Jenner]

Of course. I just rewatched everything. I got to, like, season six, and then I stopped.

[Louise]

Were you team Damon or team Stefan?

[Kylie Jenner]

It goes back and forth.

[Louise]

I was team Damon at first.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm Team Stefan. And then I go hard left to team Damon. Hard left to team Damon. Ah. And then once, like, you know, Damon's in the picture for a while, I go back to Stefan.

[Louise]

Yeah. You're like, it's too much.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm like, wait.

[Louise]

But Stefan, that is the best show of all time.

[Kylie Jenner]

It is.

[Louise]

It really, really is.

[Kylie Jenner]

It is. I stopped because I'm like, when it's over, it's over. I probably will take a few years off again.

[Louise]

Did you watch have you ever seen Scandal?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes.

[Louise]

That's, like, my favorite show.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah. Scandals was amazing.

[Louise]

Girls? No, I think you would like it.

[Kylie Jenner]

Kendall always talks about girls, but. No.

[Louise]

What's like, the, like. What is your, like, prime differences between you two?

[Kylie Jenner]

There are many. There are many. She. Well, first of All. She's like, my favorite person on the planet. And I think as I get older, you just. Do you have siblings?

[Louise]

I have a younger brother. It's his birthday today. It's his birthday today. Happy birthday, Luke.

[Kylie Jenner]

Happy birthday, Luke. I think as you get older, too, you like. She's just my best friend. She's my ride or die.

[Louise]

Mm.

[Kylie Jenner]

We are, like, totally different people. It's really interesting. She's type A. I'm type B. Yeah.

[Louise]

How are you type B?

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm. Go with the flow. I don't really, like, make plans. My brain, like, I'm a little bit messy, but I hate to say that.

[Louise]

You're messy.

[Kylie Jenner]

Like, yeah, kind of. Honestly.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

Like, But. But not in, like, a. I just am so disrespectful to my home and my, like, shit's everywhere. I think, like, the way that my brain works is not, like.

[Louise]

Right.

[Kylie Jenner]

Like, I'm a little. Like, I have piles of things, places. Of course I know where everything is.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

But I come from a family of type A's.

[Louise]

They're really.

[Kylie Jenner]

Everybody is crazy.

[Louise]

Is your mom type A as well?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes. Oh, my God.

[Louise]

Right?

[Kylie Jenner]

Crazy.

[Louise]

The most.

[Kylie Jenner]

Very organized. Very. And I'm just not. I don't have that in me.

[Louise]

Yeah. I.

[Kylie Jenner]

Or. Or I'll cook.

[Louise]

What do you like to cook?

[Kylie Jenner]

I like to cook tacos. I like to cook pastas. Steak. I'm really into making steak these days.

[Louise]

How do you take your steak?

[Kylie Jenner]

I like it, like, medium well.

[Louise]

You're like my friends.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm going into medium. I'm slowly going into medium. But I'm. But I'm medium.

[Louise]

What is it about the well done that you like?

[Kylie Jenner]

I didn't say well done. I said medium well.

[Louise]

And what do you like?

[Kylie Jenner]

A little bit of pink.

[Louise]

Like, how much pink?

[Kylie Jenner]

Like, a little bit of pink.

[Louise]

Huh.

[Kylie Jenner]

But like I said, I'm going into. Well, wait. Medium.

[Louise]

Medium.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm going.

[Louise]

So you're going more pink?

[Kylie Jenner]

Sorry. Yes, I'm going to medium.

[Louise]

What is your kid's favorite thing that you make?

[Kylie Jenner]

They. I mean, mommy potatoes.

[Louise]

Mommy potatoes.

[Kylie Jenner]

They call it mommy potatoes, but it's my potatoes.

[Louise]

That's really cute.

[Kylie Jenner]

And they have it for breakfast, lunch, dinner. They love the potatoes that I make. And pancakes. My son really likes my banana pancakes.

[Louise]

Yum.

[Kylie Jenner]

So yummy yum. He likes my banana pancakes. I really like cooking Thanksgiving food.

[Louise]

Honestly, Thanksgiving food has never done it for me.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh, it's the best.

[Louise]

Like, what. What Thanksgiving food do you like?

[Kylie Jenner]

Do you like candied yams?

[Louise]

I don't Mind them.

[Kylie Jenner]

Why. Why are you saying it like that?

[Louise]

I don't mind. Like, I don't. Like, like the. What, cranberry that they have going on. Like, it's everything.

[Kylie Jenner]

Let's go through the whole thing.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Kylie Jenner]

Candy dumps.

[Louise]

Fine, but.

[Kylie Jenner]

Fine. I don't think you've had. What is it my candy.

[Louise]

Is that like a potato?

[Kylie Jenner]

Potato?

[Louise]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Kylie Jenner]

It's a potato. Okay. Green bean casserole. What? Why not?

[Louise]

I. I don't even know what. Like, it scares me.

[Kylie Jenner]

Do you like ham?

[Louise]

Love ham. Love ham.

[Kylie Jenner]

You know what? Do you like fried chicken?

[Louise]

Love fried chicken.

[Kylie Jenner]

I think you should come over. I'm not kidding.

[Louise]

Don't play with me.

[Kylie Jenner]

And I'll make you candied hams, green bee casserole, and fried chicken. And I think you're going to love it.

[Louise]

I'm shaking.

[Kylie Jenner]

I think you're gonna.

[Louise]

I'm gonna take you up.

[Kylie Jenner]

Don't tempt me with a good time. I swear, I, like, believe you. I would die to do that.

[Louise]

Okay. I want to do it.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay.

[Louise]

That's the. We're gonna do it.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay. And it's okay if you don't like it. I mean, you're gonna love it.

[Louise]

I know I'm gonna love.

[Kylie Jenner]

But if you're like, this just really isn't my steeze, you could just have the fried chicken.

[Louise]

I love fried chicken. You know what? I was gonna ask you about crumble cookies.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh, yeah.

[Louise]

Do really like crumble cookies?

[Kylie Jenner]

I really did. I did because I saw them everywhere and I don't really get out much these days.

[Louise]

Really? Like, you just spend your days in your home?

[Kylie Jenner]

Well, I travel a lot, but when I'm in la, for some reason when I'm here, it's hard for me to leave the house.

[Louise]

Why do you think that is?

[Kylie Jenner]

I think that's because, honestly, paparazzi or in la, it's just easier to be spotted, I think. So the thought of, like, trying to find an outfit and, like, getting ready and present and then I go back and forth because that's a silly way to think about it, but it's honestly the truth.

[Louise]

But do they just wait by your house for your car to leave?

[Kylie Jenner]

No, because I don't really leave.

[Louise]

Got it.

[Kylie Jenner]

So they don't really wait for me anymore.

[Louise]

Do you remember the height of it? Like, did it used to be way worse?

[Kylie Jenner]

It used to be so insane.

[Louise]

You.

[Kylie Jenner]

I don't even know how I'm like a normal person right now.

[Louise]

Like, what would it. What was it like?

[Kylie Jenner]

The things that they would say to me and how they would treat me as a child.

[Louise]

Oh, no.

[Kylie Jenner]

Is diabolical. Like, inappropriate. I would be coming out of a thing and they'd be like, you what? When I was 16.

[Louise]

You're lying.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm not lying. The things that they would say to me, I would never try to give them a photo. So I would just jump in the car and then there would be like six of them. And they would stand in front of my car as I was like 16, like, turning my car on, whatever. And they would all stand out because I would just be like, you know, hiding. And they would just be like, I'm pretend. Like, you know, mock me.

[Louise]

Why?

[Kylie Jenner]

They wanted to just make more money off a scandalous photo.

[Louise]

And they wanted you to be like this crazy.

[Kylie Jenner]

And I was an underage girl by herself. I didn't have security. I didn't have security until after I had my daughter because I really didn't want to be. I really wanted to not have security. I wanted to be normal. I wanted to be with my friends. I wanted to be on my own in the world like I did not want.

[Louise]

And so you were just completely alone?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes.

[Louise]

And that must have been so scary.

[Kylie Jenner]

It was scary at times.

[Louise]

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[Kylie Jenner]

Best time ever. And I'm just so grateful that I'm able to see the. The behind the scenes of this. Yeah. Cuz I've watched some episodes and I see it on TikTok and whatever, but just. But to see the behind the scenes is so special.

[Louise]

Do you feel comfortable?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah, I'm so happy. It was at a house.

[Louise]

I know you were like. I thought I was walking into a studio.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah. And I feel like studios that kind of make you feel.

[Louise]

Oh yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

Like not, you know, comfortable.

[Louise]

Right.

[Kylie Jenner]

This is perfect.

[Louise]

Okay. I'm so glad. Well, are you ready to do the Tell me what's wrongs?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes.

[Louise]

Okay. I cannot figure out my own style and fashion for the life of me. I hate everything I wear. And it's so hard to feel confident. I. I'm a creative person too, and follow random fashion accounts, etc. But anytime I'm in a changing room, it's tears. I get overwhelmed and end up picking up only the safe options and then hate myself for it later. How do I break the cycle?

[Kylie Jenner]

First of all, me too. I feel like I get into that cycle too. Do you? Or is it easy for you?

[Louise]

No, it's. I'm like, for the longest time would only wear like the same. Like, I hate trying on jeans. I hate trying not like trying on pants is like my worst nightmare. Why?

[Kylie Jenner]

So you have like a few.

[Louise]

I have like three or four pairs of pants that I wear.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay. But I love that.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

I just got rid of so many things because I'm like, I only want things that just make me feel good. Like, I want 10 pairs of jeans to leather pants. Like, I don't need. I think it's. I think that actually helps. I would say that's my advice. Like, go through your closet, really try on everything and see what fits you the best. Downsize. And also, what would be my advice for that?

[Louise]

You have such a creative and like, individual style. I feel like that's why people loved you so much from the start. Like, you had your own thing going on. How did you, like, find that on, like, how were you, like, how did you find confidence to, like, own your own style?

[Kylie Jenner]

When I was dressing, I mean, back then, I really wasn't looking. I feel like when you start to look at other people and maybe what works for them might not always work for you. What makes me feel good? What kind of colors make me feel Good. Like, I was really experimenting back then. Now I'm a little more. I do get in my head about it, though. It's hard, I will say. But then when I have moments when I'm, like, freaking out about an outfit too much, and I've spent over, like, 40 minutes trying to pick an outfit, I'm just like, you know what? I'm gonna put on my favorite pair of jeans and a white top, and I'm gonna enjoy the night.

[Louise]

I mean, you know what changed my life was when you went to Coachella in a leather jacket and jeans. And I. I talk about it. I actually talk about it. I preach spoken about it on this podcast as, like, my Mecca for Coachella outfit.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh, my God. I love that.

[Louise]

Because I was like, she just didn't care. Yeah, she just went in leather.

[Kylie Jenner]

Sometimes it has to be like that. Sometimes it has to be like that. And you pick your moments, because trying to pick an outfit, it will make me spiral. It will make me overthink. It'll make. And then I get there, and I'm, like, in the worst mood. When I start to feel myself get in that mood, I'm like, I'm putting on the most simple outfit, and I'm getting a cute bag or whatever, and I'm just gonna enjoy the night.

[Louise]

Sometimes it's about the accessories.

[Kylie Jenner]

Sometimes it's about the accessories. I agree. Absolutely.

[Louise]

Like, sometimes it's about a ring or a necklace or a bracelet that will make your. You feel like you're not just wearing something simple.

[Kylie Jenner]

Absolutely. That's good advice.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

Thanks.

[Louise]

Every time I encounter a situation with the guy and he starts showing interest in me, I pull away. I've done this since I was younger, and now I'm in my mid-20s. I think I'm defensive because I'm scared of rejection. I. Oh, me too. How do I allow myself to become vulnerable without my brain convincing me there is something wrong with the guy?

[Kylie Jenner]

What do you have to say about that?

[Louise]

I'm the same way. I'm terrified of rejection. I'm, like, terrified of it, and I get it all the time, and it's horrible.

[Kylie Jenner]

So what's your advice for that?

[Louise]

My advice is like, you. It's like jumping into cold water. Like, you just have to do it.

[Kylie Jenner]

That one's hard.

[Louise]

Dating's hard nowadays. I think I might be genuinely stupid. I did fine in school, but, like, I literally don't understand the subtext or whatever of anything I watch or listen to or read. I'm always just like, I liked that. Or that was weird. I've been hanging out with these people who are more creative, and it feels like they're running laps around me after we watch a show or a movie. Is this a valid insecurity?

[Kylie Jenner]

It's definitely valid. And I feel like that in different ways, too. I'm in situations where people run laps around me all the time, but then we'll be in a different situation. I can run laps around them all the time. You know, I think it's just. You're not gonna be super educated in every single. Or maybe you are.

[Louise]

Right.

[Kylie Jenner]

Slay. But I don't think you're gonna be like, yeah, but I've been in situations like that, too, where I'm like, I have no. My. My. Like, art friends and stuff. Like, I'm just kind of diving into it and learning. But they're like, you know, this R and the da da and this year. And I'm like, I have no idea what you guys are saying.

[Louise]

No, no. No idea. But then if they're like, they want to talk to you about clothes, you'll know.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes, Clothes, movies, children.

[Louise]

Yeah,

[Kylie Jenner]

like a. What? Makeup. Okay. Podcasts. You know, you do.

[Louise]

You are kind of an expert in podcasts now.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm. I'm not.

[Louise]

You kind of are.

[Kylie Jenner]

You think so.

[Louise]

I kind of think so. You're in your podcast era.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh, my God.

[Louise]

You're either gonna leave this podcast being like, I'm never doing a podcast again, or that was fun.

[Kylie Jenner]

I would come back here every day.

[Louise]

No, you wouldn't.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes, I would. This is so much fun.

[Louise]

I'm having a really fun time with you.

[Kylie Jenner]

I think I need a podcast.

[Louise]

Kylie, don't play with me right now. If you had a podcast, I would be SAT weekly. Weekly sat.

[Kylie Jenner]

That's kind of cute, too. If we were, like, really sad. Like, what if we just, like, sat on the floor in my podcast?

[Louise]

I called it Sat with Kylie.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes. Anyway.

[Louise]

But, yeah, I would say the advice is that you are smarter in areas that you're not allowing.

[Kylie Jenner]

If you're not educated in movies or whatever.

[Louise]

She said I'm barely educated in movies.

[Kylie Jenner]

Who cares? Let them educate you.

[Louise]

Yeah, you can always Google it. Sure.

[Kylie Jenner]

Chat. GPT Chat. Hello. Chat. You know, and then, you know, the things that you are educated on. Yes.

[Louise]

Yes. My.

[Kylie Jenner]

By the way, the worst advice. Okay.

[Louise]

No, but it's. But it is good advice. Like, you are educated in stuff that they're not educated in.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah.

[Louise]

So who cares?

[Kylie Jenner]

So wait your turn.

[Louise]

Wait your turn. Wait your turn.

[Kylie Jenner]

Wait your turn. You just wait yeah. Cheers.

[Louise]

How many times have we cheers.

[Kylie Jenner]

Like a million cheers after every question we do.

[Louise]

My best friend's an extrovert who doesn't know how to spend time alone. Well, I'm an introvert who needs alone time after being with anyone for too long. She always wants me to be with her on runs, on calls, study dates. I love her, but it's really annoying. I'm with her six out of the seven days a week, and it's draining my energy and making me resent her. She can't take a hint and will pester me until I agree to be with her. I'm that friend.

[Kylie Jenner]

Well, she wants to have sex with you. I'm just kidding. Wait, so you're. You're the friend that pesters till they.

[Louise]

I need to be with people at all times. I can't be alone. I.

[Kylie Jenner]

You. I used to be like that. I think I. I grew out of it, but I definitely used to. I can understand that feeling. Until you're like. You know what it was? It was like me forced to be alone when I was pregnant for the first time.

[Louise]

Oh. Because.

[Kylie Jenner]

And that changed everything for me. I've never had so much alone time in my life, and now I'm a different person because of it.

[Louise]

What did you do with that alone time?

[Kylie Jenner]

Nothing. Well, I would make a schedule for myself in my head. Yeah, I had to make schedules so I didn't go crazy.

[Louise]

Right.

[Kylie Jenner]

But yeah. Anyway. What the was the question? What was the question?

[Louise]

That was funny. Oh, I need those jeans is what I was planning on asking you. The Kai jeans I need.

[Kylie Jenner]

But you said you don't like trying on jeans.

[Louise]

I know, but I said to Louise, show them off. And the Kai on the ass is just everything.

[Kylie Jenner]

They're the best. Like, baggy, low rise. This is like a style we did off of, like our best selling style. What is it when you're like, selling things? Buy now. No, these are. These are the best.

[Louise]

I really want those jeans. I said to Louise, I was like, I need those jeans.

[Kylie Jenner]

What size do you think you'd be, though? They're not actually.

[Louise]

I don't know about that.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'll send you like three.

[Louise]

Yeah, just send me multiple sizes.

[Kylie Jenner]

Send you three.

[Louise]

But what was the question?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah, right. Wait, she's.

[Louise]

Oh, she. She can't be. This friend can't be alone.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay. Okay.

[Louise]

So.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay, My advice. My only advice to that is clear communication.

[Louise]

Okay. Are you.

[Kylie Jenner]

She has to sit her down and say, I actually. This is how I'm actually feeling. I think communication and being honest in any relationship is very important. And you need to just have a conversation with your friend. Are you.

[Louise]

Are you confrontational? Yes, I. I get that.

[Kylie Jenner]

I think I am.

[Louise]

I think you are.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm confrontational.

[Louise]

Sorry this is such a pivot, but did you ever have, like, any college experience at all? Like, did you ever, like, go to a college party? Like, did you ever, like, college?

[Kylie Jenner]

I might have missed a little bit. I went to a lot of high school parties. Lots of high school parties. College was. You're 20.

[Louise]

I'm like, were you ever worried about people, like, filming you drinking when you were underage?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah.

[Louise]

But was the phone, like, less present then than it was now? Because I feel like everyone's out now.

[Kylie Jenner]

The phone was way less present, and I think we would hide it. We would put it in, like, a drink or, like, Stoss would be there and, like, pass me, like, a little sip of something or, like, you know, if we're, like, smoking a cigarette, she'd like, under.

[Louise]

And I'm like, yeah, yeah, but cigarettes are kind of back.

[Kylie Jenner]

Cigarettes are so back. Thank God. I've been, like, hiding for so many years.

[Louise]

They're back.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm only a drunk. I'm really only a drunk. Sick. There's very few times where I'm like, I need a cigarette. I'm in Europe in the summer, always

[Louise]

midday, I'll wake up and smoke a

[Kylie Jenner]

cigarette exactly like, bye. There are no rules.

[Louise]

Yeah, there are no rules. Out on the terrace of my hotel room cigarette. Because they burn so fast in Europe.

[Kylie Jenner]

They're perfect.

[Louise]

They're perfect. Oh, my God. I want to go to Europe right now.

[Kylie Jenner]

I want to go Europe, too.

[Louise]

I want to go.

[Kylie Jenner]

Take me to Europe.

[Louise]

I want to go now.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm having a Europe summer.

[Louise]

Are you really?

[Kylie Jenner]

No plans, but I'm going to be there.

[Louise]

Okay. I'm going to go to. I'm in France all of June.

[Kylie Jenner]

France, all of June. Okay. Oh, she's saying now all of June manifest, babe.

[Louise]

Yeah, I'm. You are in France all of June, and I'm going to smoke cigarettes all of June with my hot French boyfriend. Should we smoke after this? Yes, I have. I will smoke after this.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay. Cuz we had our wine.

[Louise]

Yeah. And we deserve that.

[Kylie Jenner]

Of course we deserve that.

[Louise]

It's the least we can do for ourselves.

[Kylie Jenner]

You want to know who's the best person?

[Louise]

Who?

[Kylie Jenner]

Kris Jenner.

[Louise]

Yeah. Have you.

[Kylie Jenner]

You've met her on that carpet. Is that the only time?

[Louise]

Yes, that. No. Yes, that is the only time.

[Kylie Jenner]

When I tell you she's the best person on the planet. Like, she really is. The way that she lives life is so inspiring. And her energy, like when we go on vacation together, when we're out together, like, she, her vibration is so on another level. And like, she just enjoys life, she enjoys people. She's like, you know, wants everyone to feel good. She's. Yeah, she's, she's just living her best life.

[Louise]

No, this generation, we don't drink anymore.

[Kylie Jenner]

We don't drink any.

[Louise]

We don't do anything.

[Kylie Jenner]

We don't like cook and invite people over for fried chicken.

[Louise]

Well, it's because of COVID It's because

[Kylie Jenner]

of COVID It's because of Tick tock. It's because of like everyone just wants to lay in bed and just be on the Internet.

[Louise]

I feel numb to my surroundings and life right now. I'm right out of college and even just ended my four year relationship and I really don't feel sad or nostalgic about anything. Just like I wake up and do my thing and that's it. I'm worried that I'm like a psychopath or something. And if I stay this way and that I'll stay this way if it, if it's just a phase, what can I do to get out of it?

[Kylie Jenner]

You know, when you're a kid, time moves really slow.

[Louise]

Yes, very slow.

[Kylie Jenner]

Time moves very slow.

[Louise]

Years are like centuries.

[Kylie Jenner]

And I read something recently that says the reason that, that you felt like that as a child is because you were experiencing so many new things at once. So as an adult, instead of getting into routine where time moves really fast, do new things. Go to Kylie's house and eat fried chicken. You know, take a pottery class. So I started doing things to help time move a little bit slower.

[Louise]

You've opened my third eye. Yes, you've literally opened my third eye.

[Kylie Jenner]

Like, literally. Book a pottery class. Do, do things.

[Louise]

Just do random shit.

[Kylie Jenner]

Go to Disneyland.

[Louise]

Oh, I love Disneyland.

[Kylie Jenner]

You know, but we've done that, done that a bunch of times too. I mean, I have, but like, do

[Louise]

something, do something new.

[Kylie Jenner]

Don't have a Euro summer. Go to Australia.

[Louise]

No, but we're having a Euro summer.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm just kidding.

[Louise]

We're having a Euro summer.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm so sorry I said anything. We're having a summer. No, but yeah.

[Louise]

Jake, an amazing guest. I've been thinking about breaking up with my therapist for a while. I'm just so scared of starting over. Like, she knows everything about me, but she also agrees with me all the time and gives me the most basic ass quotes. I'm just paying her to rant at this point, but at the same time, I kind of need that to help.

[Kylie Jenner]

She needs to move on.

[Louise]

She needs to move on. I'm breaking up with my therapist right now.

[Kylie Jenner]

Break up with your therapist? And who cares if she knows everything, right? It's not like she's gonna say anything.

[Louise]

Was that ever a concern for you, talking to a therapist?

[Kylie Jenner]

Like, no, but a little bit.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm still a little guarded. And I've had two therapist experiences. Now I don't have one.

[Louise]

I don't know. Were they, like, spoke to people?

[Kylie Jenner]

No, no, no, no. But when I'm. I'm just saying I've only had experience with two therapists, and not for a long time. Like, I'm not in therapy right now.

[Louise]

Wow, I didn't know that about you.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah.

[Louise]

And you're just able to kind of like, raw dog life.

[Kylie Jenner]

Exactly.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

I have totally raw dog life. And I'm fine.

[Louise]

You seem fine.

[Kylie Jenner]

Thank you. I think what I need to do and what I do often, which I think is really healthy, is like, delete the apps.

[Louise]

Like what? Like, tick tock.

[Kylie Jenner]

And like, I'll take a week every now and then, sometimes two. And just, like, delete the apps.

[Louise]

You're just like. It becomes loud.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes. Delete the apps.

[Louise]

Live life.

[Kylie Jenner]

Because I don't know.

[Louise]

Oh, my last question for you.

[Kylie Jenner]

Okay. Like, ever?

[Louise]

Wait. No, not ever. Are you having fun? I'm having the best time, but I feel like I'm trapping you. Oh, I need to ask you.

[Kylie Jenner]

Yeah.

[Louise]

Bora Bora. Is it as beautiful as it seems?

[Kylie Jenner]

I didn't love Bora Bora. You didn't go to Turks and Caicos, babe.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Kylie Jenner]

Did you. Have you been to Turks Caicos before? Best place ever.

[Louise]

What's it like?

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh, my God. Let me tell you everything. Tell me, tell me the mornings, the weather, the sunrises, the sunsets, the way that the air feels, the sand, the crystal blue water.

[Louise]

Is the water warm? Warm.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh, the water's warm. I need it every day. I'm mourning not being there, which probably isn't healthy, but I'm like. It's the warm water, the sand, the gorgeousness, the food.

[Louise]

You should go for your birthday. I know. Where were you just vacationing?

[Kylie Jenner]

I was just vacationing in the Bahamas.

[Louise]

I mean, Cheers. Well, Kylie, what did we learn today? I learned this has been one of the most. I feel so locked in with you right now.

[Kylie Jenner]

I feel so locked in. I want a cigarette now. Now.

[Louise]

Do we have some at the house.

[Kylie Jenner]

My security always has some.

[Louise]

Can we please smoke?

[Kylie Jenner]

Security. Emergency cigarettes.

[Louise]

But your security is so lovely.

[Kylie Jenner]

The best.

[Louise]

When they came over to, like, check out the surroundings, like, they. They just spoke so highly of you.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh.

[Louise]

And it made me so much more excited for this. Like, I was like. I was like, I'm so nervous. And they were like, she's so good at it.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh.

[Louise]

They were like, she's really the best. Yeah. And then Manny out there was like, they're the best.

[Kylie Jenner]

Manny's like, my. Like, he literally, like, will, like, take my daughter somewhere. Like, I trust him with.

[Louise]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kylie Jenner]

My kids.

[Louise]

But what did we learn today?

[Kylie Jenner]

We learned that, first of all, this is my kid.

[Louise]

Who's calling?

[Kylie Jenner]

Hello.

[Louise]

Hello.

[Kylie Jenner]

Hi, angel. Okay, bye. Love you.

[Louise]

That's really cute.

[Kylie Jenner]

Oh, what are we gonna do? Do you want babies?

[Louise]

I think I do want babies, but, like, I think I want to do it the Andy Cohen way.

[Kylie Jenner]

What's the andy Cohen Way?

[Louise]

40 Adopt 2, call it a day.

[Kylie Jenner]

I like that.

[Louise]

Yeah. Theo and Annabelle.

[Kylie Jenner]

Theo and Annabelle.

[Louise]

Chic, right?

[Kylie Jenner]

I love Theo and Annabelle. I love Annabelle.

[Louise]

Right?

[Kylie Jenner]

Yes.

[Louise]

Yeah. And that's what I want to name my two babies. I want to adopt them and call it a day, even if I'm not with someone. That's what I want. Well, Kylie, this has been a dream. Thank you for doing this.

[Kylie Jenner]

I'm so happy. I couldn't be happier to be here.

[Louise]

I love you.

[Kylie Jenner]

I love. I love you.

[Louise]

I love you.

[Kylie Jenner]

I love you. I think you're the best.

[Louise]

You are the best.

[Kylie Jenner]

You are the best.

[Louise]

You're the best.

[Kylie Jenner]

You're the best.

[Louise]

And I had so much fun with you. And I didn't even, for the first time, didn't even notice everything else. Sorry. Let's have a cigarette.

[Kylie Jenner]

Let's have a cigarette. Bye. I love you.

[Louise]

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