Session 123: Paul Rudd

Summary

Therapuss with Jake Shane – Session 123: Paul Rudd

Release Date: May 28, 2026
Host: Jake Shane
Guest: Paul Rudd

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Therapuss, Jake Shane invites actor Paul Rudd for a session that's equal parts introspective therapy, comedic banter, and nostalgic storytelling. The conversation moves from reflections on friendship and fame to deep dives into Paul Rudd’s career, pop culture, therapy, and personal philosophies. Throughout, Jake’s trademark vulnerability and humor set the tone, while Rudd matches him with self-deprecating wit, grounding, and warmth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Friendship, Self-Image & Comedy

• Opening Banter (00:42–07:00)
  Jake, Charlie (a recurring friend/guest), and Paul riff on the nature of friendship, self-worth, and running inside jokes ("six, seven") and the generational language of humor.

  • Jake [01:29]: "You make me feel so good about myself and I hope I can...I hope that you feel that way when I gas you up."
  • Charlie: Praises Jake’s rare ability to "lock in" and be emotionally supportive, referencing a pivotal FaceTime call.
  • They discuss balancing self-focus and empathy, and the importance of being genuinely present for friends.

• Comedy as Friendship Glue
  Jake and Charlie talk about their shared comedic rhythm, ongoing jokes, and the "push and pull" dynamic that sustains their bond.

2. Media, Pop Culture, and TV/Film Preferences

• Jake’s TV and Movie Habits (03:19–05:00)
  Jake confesses he struggles to commit to TV but is passionate about film. Discussions include How to Get Away with Murder, Viola Davis, and the challenges of investing time in episodic media.

• Music Talk & Festival Faves (10:09–12:34; 47:43–49:50)

  • Discussion of seminal albums (e.g., Audrey Hilbert), the role of pop music in personal identity, and Lollapalooza/Coachella stories.
  • Paul and Jake connect over new The Strokes music, Coachella stories, and live shows.
  • Jake: "I saw them at Coachella the other week...the best weekend of my life." (48:19)

3. Paul Rudd’s Upbringing and Career

• Early Life and Geography (16:24–18:30)
  Paul shares his New Jersey and Kansas City background, stories about local food, and his initial distance from New Jersey-isms (like “Taylor ham”).

• Movie Career Origins

  • Clueless Audition Story (26:31–29:47)
    • Paul was fresh out of acting school, auditioned for multiple roles, and landed Josh. He reflects on the slow-burn nature of Clueless’s post-release popularity.
    • Paul Rudd: “A lot of the things I’ve been involved with had a bit of a slower burn that lasted” (29:18)
  • Insights into Anchorman, Role Models, and the golden era of 2000s comedies.

• Marvel Journey

  • Paul discusses his involvement in writing Ant-Man, preserving Edgar Wright’s vision, and balancing improvisation with big studio demands.
  • Jake: “So you wrote the script?”
    Paul Rudd: “It was originally written by Edgar Wright...and then Adam McKay and I came on and wrote a version.” (31:42–31:55)

4. Life Philosophy, Habits, and Personal Wellbeing

• Aging and Self-Perception (19:07–20:22)
  • Paul denies Botox rumors and jokes about not aging. Discusses healthy living, moderate drinking habits, sleep routines, and preferring to be in bed by 8pm—a fact that drives his daughter nuts.
• Morning Routines & News Consumption
  • Paul prefers crosswords and puzzles over doomscrolling. Shares the importance of easing into the day without news overload. (40:25)
  • Jake: “Right away, I wake up and check my phone.”
    Paul Rudd: “Yeah, well, I think everyone kind of does that, right?” (41:05)
• On Taking Compliments
  Jake admits he adores compliments; Rudd is modest to a fault.

5. Artistic Process and New Projects

• Music and “Power Ballad” (55:21–59:46)

  • Filming in Dublin, love for director John Carney, music as central to both film and life.
  • Rudd details how Carney’s directing allows for improvisation, musicality, and collaboration: "He even directs like a musician..." (58:09)
  • Paul discusses singing, guitar, and karaoke—revealing a home with its own Irish pub and karaoke setup.

• On SNL Hosting & Grief (61:06–64:24)

  • Rudd reflects on hosting SNL just weeks after his father’s death: “It was such a mix of so many feelings and then on top of it all, just kind of sheer terror.” (62:09)
  • Sharing the stage with Beyoncé as musical guest.

6. Therapy, Fears, and Hypochondria

• Paul’s Childhood Fears & Therapy (81:28–82:29)
  • Rudd describes intense childhood fears and seeing a therapist, praising his supportive parents.
• Hypochondria & Health Anxieties (83:03–84:40)
  • Jake discusses his anxiety over recent high blood pressure readings, Paul advises him not to worry: "I don't think you should worry about this." (84:03)

7. Advice Segment: ‘Tell Me What’s Wrong’ (72:14–77:37)

• Navigating Toxic Friendships
  • Handling friends who overdrink or are manipulative:
    Paul Rudd: “If this is bothering you so much that every time you go out your friend is drinking...then you already know your answer.” (73:03)
    • Advice leans toward honesty, setting boundaries, and sometimes stepping back for self-preservation.
• True Crime TV Tangent
  • Jake gives an energetic summary of “Should I Marry a Murderer?” highlighting the generational quirks of true crime media nowadays.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Comedy and Self-Deprecation:
  Paul Rudd (88:45): “You always bring it back to something heartfelt, and always, and always…start off and be a little abstract and funny or whatever and then bring it back around to something genuine.”

• On Hosting SNL and Grief:
  Paul Rudd (63:23): “When I think of the very first time I hosted SNL, I think, like, that was a few weeks after my dad died...it puts a weird time in history...it was exciting...I was so sad, obviously...so I suppose in some way, yeah, it helped.”

• On Music and Karaoke:
  Paul Rudd (59:28): “I have a pub in my house, an Irish pub in my house. And it has karaoke...People come over and sing all the time.”

• Advice to a Listener:
  Paul Rudd (73:03): “If this is bothering you so much that every time you go out your friend is drinking...then you already know your answer.”

• On Compliments:
  Jake (92:14): “See, I’m always fishing, and I always catch a fish.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Topic / Highlights | |-------------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 00:42 | Friendship banter, self-worth, and inside jokes | | 09:00 | Moving, home, and the importance of environment | | 16:24 | Paul’s New Jersey/Kansas upbringing | | 26:31 | Clueless audition story and impact | | 31:42 | Writing and evolving Ant-Man | | 47:43 | Music and festival stories | | 55:21 | Filming "Power Ballad", John Carney as director | | 61:06 | SNL Hosting, grief and memories with Beyoncé | | 72:14 | ‘Tell Me What’s Wrong’ advice segment begins | | 81:28 | Paul’s childhood fears and first therapy experience | | 83:03 | Jake’s health anxieties & Paul’s reassurance | | 88:30 | Toasts, giving speeches, and self-esteem banter | | 90:11 | Ramen talk, birthday parties | | 91:29 | On finding joy, light TV like "Love on the Spectrum"|

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Episode Tone and Style

The episode is candid, warm, and full of sharp wit—typical of Jake’s playful, self-effacing style and Paul Rudd’s gentle, dry humor. The tone oscillates between earnest introspection and off-the-rails comedic tangents, making it both emotionally resonant and laugh-out-loud funny.

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Summary

This Therapuss session with Paul Rudd is a tapestry of stories and insights covering the highs and lows of friendship, fame, and anxiety; the joy of live music and comedy; the pain and relief of therapy; and the art of moving through life with humility and compassion. Rudd’s reflections on career, family, and personal growth intermingle seamlessly with Jake’s confessional approach and sparkling pop culture commentary. The listener is left with the sense of having sat in on a truly honest and entertaining conversation between kindred spirits.

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Next Time Teaser:
Jake jokes about doing the next episode at Paul’s in-home Irish pub, promising karaoke and even deeper dives into therapy and shenanigans.

Transcript

[Jake]

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[Paul Rudd]

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[Jake]

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[Paul Rudd]

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[Charlie]

I really feel like we've been friends for a really long time. A lot of everyone's. All your besties have done it.

[Jake]

Uh huh.

[Charlie]

And I've been like waiting to do it. I'm so, I've been fully waiting to do it. And you know what, it makes me

[Jake]

feel really good that you feel that way because I sometimes don't view this as like something desirable. Really? Yeah, sometimes I feel that way.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Charlie]

Yeah. I feel like you're very self deprecating and we have this conversation a lot, but like, which camera should I talk to? Jake is him. And I always say that. And I always say that and, and then we go out and I'm like, damn, you're really him.

[Jake]

You make, there's. You make me feel so good about myself and I hope I can, I hope I can. I hope that you feel that way when I gas you up.

[Charlie]

I felt that way once really strongly with you and I think about it a lot.

[Jake]

Okay. Really?

[Charlie]

It was the first time that you like genuinely lended yourself to me and your advice to me. And it was like November last year when I was in New York for a long time shooting that I remember. And I was like, yeah, I locked the fuck in. Yeah, you like there was one call where you locked in and he looked, this is so rare. Manny knows this is rare. He locked in, he looked in the camera and he sat there for 30 minutes and he gave me straight up advice on like how you will feel long term if you act on this now.

[Jake]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Charlie]

Like he went on and on and was like, like you were loaning your like your advice to me and you just. Honestly, you hadn't done that before. Maybe I was just like, damn, he's being a friend. Right?

[Jake]

Bare minimum.

[Charlie]

No, no, you're, you're, you're the best friend.

[Jake]

Well, first we need to congratulate Charlie because on what you just, Charlie just walked the Dior Cruise show.

[Charlie]

Thanks guys. I thought you were about to like surprise me with something. Thanks, Lulu.

[Jake]

No. And that's your number one fan right there.

[Charlie]

Well, I'm Louise's number one fan and I have been since day one. Yeah, like I've been locked in. And I. I've been a supporter of Louise for a long, long time.

[Jake]

Louise, do you hear that?

[Charlie]

Yes.

[Paul Rudd]

I love you, Charlie.

[Jake]

It was a gag and I felt so. It was so. I kept saying everyone around me, like, I know him. That's my best friend. I just thought you did such a wonderful job. It was so incredible. Thank you. And I got to say to everyone, like, that's my best friend.

[Charlie]

You know what? That night you were also locked into being a best friend because I was

[Jake]

so proud of you.

[Charlie]

Yeah. It was also like a really. Just a cool experience. And those people, like, we don't have to get into it. Yeah, they're artists. Like, it was. It was very inspiring.

[Jake]

We need to talk about how you have not seen off campus yet.

[Charlie]

No, not a single. Not a minute.

[Jake]

But that's something that you would be so locked in for because like you die for this month.

[Charlie]

I know. You know, I have a. Well, I don't really want to say. I'll say it. I struggle with TV generally.

[Jake]

Just because you're a movie person. I'm.

[Charlie]

I like, I literally have seen every movie and I. And I love, love. I'm very passionate about film.

[Jake]

Very.

[Charlie]

And so I struggle with TV because you really have to loan yourself and you have to be like, I'm not gonna give you two hours. I'm gonna give you like sort of a piece of my mind and like my life.

[Jake]

Didn't you how to Get Away with Murder. Was that not you?

[Charlie]

Oh, no. I've done. I'm three rewatches.

[Jake]

Like how to Get Away with Murder.

[Charlie]

Yeah, it's like a really pivotal show to me. Viola Davis is like.

[Jake]

No, she's a vision.

[Paul Rudd]

She's.

[Charlie]

She's like on my list of. She's on my Mount Rushmore. Like, she is one of the. She's the great. If not one of the greats.

[Jake]

No, she is one of actress.

[Charlie]

Like. Yeah, she. She's. I'm. I'm really shook by her. And so that's the reason I started watching that show.

[Jake]

And then does it get crazy?

[Charlie]

Cuz like I could. I. That show. I go feral for what season? You guys seen that?

[Jake]

Does it get better? Past season one?

[Charlie]

Yes. Oh my God. Cut. Let's know. Let's change topic because not one of these things is gonna make the show.

[Jake]

Yeah, I think this could be funny.

[Charlie]

Funny one liners.

[Jake]

You are probably the funniest person I know.

[Charlie]

Are you kidding?

[Jake]

Well, is that true? I think one of them, like, you make me laugh really hard.

[Charlie]

Yeah.

[Jake]

We.

[Charlie]

Do you know what? It's. It's the we of it all. Like, it's the. There's a push and pull, and I'm like, one of us is doing one.

[Jake]

Yeah, one time. One time. One of us is going. Yeah.

[Charlie]

It's like. And then. And it's also like. It's also like a tug of war. It's like you give me something, and then I, like, yank it.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Charlie]

Make it really funny. And then you fucking, like, are hauling it back as well. So the joke never ends with us. And it's like. Then we'll bring it up a month later.

[Jake]

And, like, do you think we're discovering what friendship is for the first time?

[Charlie]

You for sure discovered it on that FaceTime in November. That's when you. That's like. I think you realize in that moment what a friend was.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Charlie]

No, I mean, you've always been a good friend. But what I mean is, like, in that moment, I think I maybe was like, oh, shit. He's like.

[Jake]

He's hearing, I have feelings and I care. I have selfish tendencies.

[Charlie]

Yeah, you have selfish tendencies. And also, like. Like, I'm also guilty of this. It's like, sometimes it just really does feel like the world is revolving around you because you're you. And, like, that's. I don't think that people should blame themselves for that unless they act upon it and start being, like, really openly selfish and start demanding things of people that don't owe them anything. And you've only done that, like, four or five times with me. Six, seven.

[Jake]

You're her.

[Charlie]

Do you remember six, seven, at the restaurant in Vegas.

[Jake]

Wait, what happened again?

[Charlie]

It was like, he just. Like, he said the fish could feed six, seven, you guys. Like, I am holding on to six, seven. I think it's funny. I'm. I think it's like, I'm.

[Jake]

It looks pretty funny.

[Charlie]

Like, I think it's great. I don't know why we love it. And I'm loving it. And I think it's our sort of, like, our generations. Like, I'm about to be a millennial for loving 6, 7 so much.

[Jake]

Right, right. I think the thing about 6, 7

[Charlie]

that I'm so like.

[Jake]

But I think the thing about 6, 7 is that it made no sense. It made no sense. And now when it comes up, it's like, well, six, seven. It can serve six to seven people.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Like, it's just seven. It's there. It's a joke that walks in on itself.

[Charlie]

Yeah. And it's just.

[Jake]

Was that described Correctly.

[Charlie]

Sure. I. I don't really know what that meant.

[Jake]

Like, that's what I. It's like a joke. It's just right there.

[Charlie]

It's just right there. And you don't have to. Like, are there any. Did our generation have a joke like that? I don't think so. Like, just a random.

[Jake]

Maybe like a jazz.

[Charlie]

Like, 9 plus 10, 21.

[Jake]

That was big.

[Charlie]

Oh. So I.

[Jake]

That was.

[Charlie]

Unfortunately, that wasn't part of my universe, but I'm actually. I'm interested to hear a little bit more about it.

[Jake]

I think 6, 7 is funny because 6, 7 is funny. Just because, like, it. I think you're just funny.

[Paul Rudd]

Me?

[Jake]

Yeah. Like, six, seven jokes aren't funny to me. But the way you just described that was funny because you're funny.

[Paul Rudd]

Well, it's just.

[Charlie]

For me, it's like the way it lands every time. It's like if somebody that I don't really know, like, hears six, seven, and some. Somebody's talking and they hear six, seven, and they go, six, seven. I'm not. I'm not even batting an eye. I'm not looking over.

[Jake]

Right.

[Charlie]

But it's like, when it's. There's a camaraderie about it and, like, when you're with your friends and, like, there's a vibe. Like, 6, 7 is funny.

[Jake]

It's a vibe. What are you gonna eat for dinner? Yeah, I wanted to have dinner together, and I didn't know, like. And I know you're moving.

[Charlie]

I'm in the middle of moving, and I actually. I'm gonna say what I'm therapist about. Even though this is not a full episode, I'm pissed at Jake at the moment because I'm not, like, he's not understanding that I'm moving. And you're being very selfish.

[Jake]

I know.

[Charlie]

He's demanding a lot of someone who gets very unstable in between homes. Because the house is a real physical thing. The home is an idea that you build and create. And right now, I don't have that idea around me and within me. And I need my home to, like, really be there mentally. And I'm in the middle of moving.

[Jake]

So when is it gonna be done?

[Charlie]

I'm. The truck comes on Wednesday morning, so. And the truck leaves on Wednesday night. I keep forgetting this is just an intro.

[Jake]

I know. Well, now it's making me think. I think we need to do a real. I'm like, should we Episode.

[Charlie]

Am I even gonna be on Netflix?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Charlie]

Is this. Should this go on my IMDb

[Jake]

before we go? Because what Are you doing for the rest of the day? Do you want me to accompany your move at all? Or would that be like.

[Charlie]

Oh, that would be hell. Imagine moving with. Imagine moving with Jake accompanying.

[Paul Rudd]

It's like.

[Jake]

It's like.

[Charlie]

That is nightmare fuel.

[Jake]

Let's talk about one more thing before you leave.

[Charlie]

Okay.

[Jake]

Who's the clown? Audrey Hilbert.

[Charlie]

It's one of the best albums of all time, man. It's me. It's one of the most formative.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Charlie]

Listening to that for the first time was like. Like being 13 in my. I feel like everyone says this, but, like, really, I felt to my core like it was like I was a girl in Connecticut in her bedroom, in her, like, perfect posters on her wall with. Posters on her wall with, like, someone that she was Snapchatting.

[Jake]

Yeah. That's how I felt too, actually. And it's like. It's like she is singing in a really catchy tune. All these very actually, like, physically uncomfortable feelings. Like feeling uncomfortable in your body. She's like, making a pop song about, like, feeling uncomfortable in your own skin. Yeah.

[Charlie]

And it was. But in like, bumping.

[Jake]

Yeah. Like you're bumping hard.

[Charlie]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And it's like Sex and the City. Oh, my God.

[Charlie]

Yes. And it was like there was such a shamelessness to that album.

[Jake]

Like. Yes.

[Charlie]

What you were saying, that was like, oh, my God. I've, like, been waiting for something this shameless and this vulnerable without it being vulnerable and like, moving, which is more like Ryan Beatty and Lizzie McAlpine territory where it's like that. Those songs, like, really. I feel them deeply and, like, viscerally. But her one, it was like, oh, my God. I'm not embarrassed to be saying these kind of embarrassing things about.

[Jake]

Right.

[Charlie]

How I feel.

[Jake]

Thirst Trap.

[Charlie]

I mean, the best one on that album is Silver Jubilee. And you're not gonna agree.

[Jake]

No. That's Brad's favorite.

[Charlie]

Really?

[Jake]

That's Brad.

[Charlie]

I mean, it's just so, like, goofy. I just stay at home.

[Jake]

Cause maybe for the sake of the story, we'll take it back to the course.

[Charlie]

I didn't. I didn't go to her show. I didn't go.

[Jake]

Don't worry. She's performing in Edinburgh with Lord in August. Are you interested?

[Charlie]

I'll tell you what festival I'm interested in. Let me know in the comments. There are no comments on Spotify.

[Jake]

There is. Okay.

[Charlie]

On Spotify. Their comments. I'm interested in Lollapalooza.

[Jake]

Yeah, me too.

[Charlie]

Have you been?

[Jake]

Yes. It's amazing.

[Charlie]

Oh, you've been?

[Jake]

Yeah. And you know What? I'm gonna be in town.

[Paul Rudd]

It's.

[Charlie]

Town is Chicago, you idiot.

[Jake]

Yes, I am. You're going to Lollapalooza. I can, can't I?

[Paul Rudd]

No, she.

[Charlie]

You said, I'm gonna be in town. Why are you gonna be in town in Chicago?

[Jake]

It's, like, August 1st.

[Charlie]

Yeah, but why are you saying I'm gonna be in town? In town is Chicago.

[Jake]

I mean, like, in the States.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, okay.

[Charlie]

That's not how you do that. That's not how you say that.

[Jake]

Right, Charlie? If there's one thing Charlie loves, it's a live show.

[Charlie]

I like a live show. I like a Broadway show. I like a going to the movie theater, which I consider a live show.

[Jake]

I would love to go to the movies tonight.

[Charlie]

Oh, that would be good.

[Paul Rudd]

Obsession. Did you love.

[Jake]

I haven't seen it. Have you seen it?

[Paul Rudd]

Phenomenal.

[Jake]

I think we should go to Ipec and see it.

[Charlie]

Yeah. I mean, everyone's talking about it. What do you guys think? Louise, I'm good at this.

[Jake]

You're, like. You're exceptional at it. Like, you.

[Charlie]

I have so much more to say. Can we do another episode?

[Jake]

Yeah. Do you want to do.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, no, stop.

[Jake]

I think so, too, but I can't sell.

[Charlie]

Like, I'm not.

[Jake]

It doesn't matter.

[Charlie]

No one's clicking.

[Jake]

That's not what the full episodes are about, really. It's about, like, having fun with your friends. That's where this podcast started from. That's.

[Charlie]

I don't think I'm worthy. Let's see how this performs.

[Jake]

Okay. So did you have fun on your first therapist experience?

[Charlie]

Yeah, I had a lot of fun. It was like. It was. You know what? It was short and sweet. Also, I want to say really quickly, just this is something I was thinking about on my way over here. You can put this in or not put it in. I just want to claim this idea as mine because I can't figure out what platform is an appropriate place to claim this. But I actually think therapist is a really good place. I just don't want somebody to steal it because I have been vocalizing it a lot, especially when I'm, like, drinking or whatever. So I just want to really claim this right here and now.

[Jake]

I.

[Charlie]

This is my idea for the movie and no one else's. And I came up with this five years ago.

[Jake]

What?

[Charlie]

Movie night at the museum. Madame Tussauds. And I just need to get in front of Ben Stiller. I'm being dead serious about this. I'm talking to the camera.

[Jake]

That's Brilliant. That's brilliant.

[Charlie]

It's brilliant. And I've had the idea for, like, five years and I've written a treatment for it. Bible's in the works. Visually, I have no idea what I want it to look like, but it's honestly up to Ben Stiller. I need to put this in front of Ben Stiller. I think this movie is, like, seriously a really good idea. And you could get everyone in on it. You could get everyone in on it and it would be the ultimate gag and the ultimate laugh. And I don't think it's a family movie. I think we get them in the hall of Presidents and there's some, like, funny political too. I think it's a brilliant idea. I'm really interested in making it.

[Jake]

I. I want to claim that we're keeping that in. Yeah, I think it needs to be made. I think that needs to be. I think that's something we need.

[Charlie]

I think it's something we would. We would die for it.

[Jake]

Are you actually interested in this?

[Charlie]

Yes, I've written a treatment for it, but I just need Ben Stiller. I need to. I need to. I don't want to go through anyone except I want to speak directly to him. So I'm going to find him. Well, thank you.

[Jake]

This has just been so fun. So fun.

[Charlie]

So fun. You know what? Thank you. This was really fun.

[Jake]

And on tonight's episode, we have.

[Paul Rudd]

All right.

[Jake]

Do you do podcasts often?

[Paul Rudd]

I've done a few, but I don't do a bunch. I've done Conan's and Amy Poehler.

[Jake]

Oh, well, she's just like the Mecca of podcasts.

[Paul Rudd]

Totally.

[Jake]

Who else she want a GG for it?

[Paul Rudd]

I know.

[Jake]

You guys have caught me on such a good day.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Why is that?

[Jake]

Because I'm happy.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Because you're here.

[Paul Rudd]

It's a. It's a Sunday. You're so. You're. People don't know when the day of the week, what day of the week it is.

[Jake]

Are very beautiful.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, thanks, Jake.

[Jake]

Wow. Have you guys ever noticed this?

[Paul Rudd]

Well, I'm not sure it's.

[Jake]

Thank you, Manny. Manny's my girl.

[Paul Rudd]

It's the. It's. The light is really.

[Jake]

Oh. Which you've complimented.

[Paul Rudd]

Giant. It's a giant window. You can't see it, but if they could see what we could see right now, it'd be like, wow, cool view.

[Jake]

They'd say New York.

[Paul Rudd]

Right.

[Jake]

You're from New Jersey. I am north, south, or Central.

[Paul Rudd]

I'm from literally, like as you cross the George Washington Bridge. Right. There.

[Jake]

You know, I lived over the George Washington Bridge. That's where I grew up in Washington Heights.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh. So I lived in Palisades Park.

[Jake]

Okay, so do you call it a turkey ham or.

[Paul Rudd]

Or pork roll?

[Jake]

Yeah, what is it? Turkey ham, a Taylor ham or Taylor ham?

[Paul Rudd]

I don't know. I don't know any of this stuff. The only reason that I even know a little bit of that is because of you and Nick Jonas talking about it.

[Jake]

Oh, my God, I forgot we spoke about that now.

[Paul Rudd]

And I watched. I watched that.

[Jake]

I need to speak about more things.

[Paul Rudd]

No, no. This is a topic that I think needs. That warrants discussion, but I don' know, maybe you could explain. What?

[Jake]

You didn't grow up eating those?

[Paul Rudd]

No, because I lived in New Jersey till I was about five and a half, and then I moved. I moved to a few different places, but I kind of around in high school, and I grew up in Kansas City. That's really where.

[Jake]

On the St. Louis side or the Missouri side?

[Paul Rudd]

Well, Missouri is. St. Louis is the. On the far end of Missouri and Kansas City is that kind of on the opposite end? But there's like Kansas and Missouri, and I was on the Kansas side.

[Jake]

You guys just played in my face. Why would you tell me that it's the Missouri side when I said St. Louis?

[Paul Rudd]

No, by the way, the Missouri side is really where everyone I lived. I. I lived minutes away from Missouri. There's a road called.

[Jake]

So you lived on the Kansas side?

[Paul Rudd]

I lived on the Kansas side. People say, oh, if they think it, sometimes think it's two cities. Is it Kansas City, Kansas, or Kansas City, Missouri? It's one city, but it just kind of. It covers both, you know, sides of the border. And there's a street called Stateline Road, and when you're on one side of the street, you're in Kansas City, and when you cross the street, you're in Missouri. Isn't that fascinating?

[Jake]

Do you like geography?

[Paul Rudd]

I do.

[Jake]

Oh, love that. So did you ever go to Arthur's barbecue?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, sure.

[Jake]

Which barbecue place? I think we went to Arthur's.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, really?

[Jake]

Delightful.

[Paul Rudd]

There's a lot. You know, Kansas City really prides itself on its barbecue.

[Jake]

It's amazing. There's a lot I did not feel good after that.

[Paul Rudd]

No, it kind of. It kind of. It's like you kind of need to set aside a day if you're going to really eat barbecue because you feel like you need to sleep right after.

[Jake]

I just like the sausage links.

[Paul Rudd]

Sure.

[Jake]

What do you like when you get barbecue?

[Paul Rudd]

It really Depends on where you go.

[Jake]

Arthur's.

[Paul Rudd]

I don't know. I would probably get. I would probably get burnt ends or. Or I like. I like ribs. And I like pulled pork, too.

[Jake]

I hate pulled pork.

[Paul Rudd]

Do you.

[Jake]

I hate when it's pulled. I hate pulled chicken. I hate pulled pork. I hate all that. I hate it.

[Paul Rudd]

I think that it was kind of my entry into barbecue.

[Jake]

Pulled pork.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Because I. It. At first when I lived there as a kid, I didn't even eat barbecue.

[Jake]

That's why you don't age.

[Paul Rudd]

Because I didn't eat barbecue as a child.

[Jake]

Taylor.

[Paul Rudd]

Ham Taylor. I'd stick away. I stay away.

[Jake]

Are you vegan?

[Paul Rudd]

No.

[Jake]

So why don't you age?

[Paul Rudd]

But I do.

[Jake]

You don't.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, you're kind for saying, but I really do.

[Jake]

You don't. Do you have Botox?

[Paul Rudd]

No.

[Jake]

Shut the up.

[Paul Rudd]

Look at my face. Do you see?

[Jake]

You have no creases. You have no creases. Nothing. Okay, well, there. If you do that. I have like a full. It's pretty bad. You know, I thought you're like.

[Paul Rudd]

You're like. You're going like this.

[Jake]

Yeah, but it's more than when you go like this.

[Paul Rudd]

It is like, kind of.

[Jake]

Yeah. Wait, so, you know, I found out I have high blood pressure today.

[Paul Rudd]

Really?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

So what happens now, right? Like, do you have to, like, do you just change all to your diet? Do you have to take medicine or.

[Jake]

What's funny? Because I haven't been drinking for a week, and so I'm like, wait, that doesn't make sense. I. I haven't drank in a week. I've been working out every day. No, I. So I'm like, freaking the out now that I have high blood pressure. What does that mean? Do you have high blood pressure?

[Paul Rudd]

I don't think so.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Paul Rudd]

But I think it means, you know. What do I know? I don't know what it means, but I think that you're. You're probably okay. You know, you'll. If you're continuing to exercise and you're eating all right, It'll take care of itself. You're. You're a young man, unlike me.

[Jake]

How old do you think I am, by the way?

[Paul Rudd]

You're 26.

[Jake]

You knew that.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Okay. Are you having fun?

[Paul Rudd]

I'm having the time of my life.

[Jake]

What did you expect, walking in this? Oh, okay, great. And your daughter is here.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Shout out.

[Paul Rudd]

Darby and Charlotte.

[Jake]

Hey, you guys. Oh, you play volleyball? I used to.

[Charlie]

Anymore.

[Jake]

Why? I got too many concussions. Okay. Are you okay? I'm fine. Now. Okay, cool. Well, Paul, what are you therapist about today?

[Paul Rudd]

I tell you. Hey, Darby, remember this is something I thought of that both of us were like. Oh, when we're in somewhat enclosed spaces where there are people around and somebody is talking loudly on their phone as if no one is around, and they're treating a public space like it's their living room.

[Jake]

I do that.

[Paul Rudd]

Do you? You do? Really?

[Jake]

Frequently.

[Paul Rudd]

Really?

[Jake]

In nail salon.

[Paul Rudd]

Hello?

[Jake]

Like, I'm. I can't help it. I didn't know it was rude to take a phone call at a restaurant.

[Paul Rudd]

I don't. I think maybe. Well, it also, you know, you're.

[Jake]

It's horrible, actually. You're making me rethink.

[Paul Rudd]

No, I, I. Well, now I feel bad. I feel like I've put you on the spot.

[Jake]

You are such a good person. Anyone told you that?

[Paul Rudd]

It wasn't. It wasn't. It. It. No, it's.

[Jake]

It's bad. It's really bad. I also stand up when airplanes land.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, but that's all right. You think I do, do you? No, I don't. Well, sometimes I'll. It'll be like, oh, we haven't come to a complete stop.

[Jake]

Oh, I'll never get up until we stop. You get up before you stop?

[Paul Rudd]

No. Well, I try not to. No, I think. Well, you'll get it. What do you. What then, if you stop? What?

[Jake]

Beep.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, you get up, you've stopped. But they haven't. I mean, come on.

[Jake]

On.

[Paul Rudd]

I think it's all right, too. When they say, put the, you know, your seat up and your tray table up and put your computer away and turn your phone on airplane mode. I think all of that is nonsense.

[Jake]

You think the airplane mode thing is nonsense?

[Paul Rudd]

I know it's nonsense.

[Jake]

I only put it on airplane mode because it's not going to work either way, so I might as well save the battery.

[Paul Rudd]

Well, I think that. Well, that's smart, but I think that there's something to do that it can with a frequency. If too many people are off airplane mode to the pilot and they're talking to control, that occasionally it might be an annoyance in their headset. I think I read an article on it one time, but you read a lot. I mean, fair amount, but not really.

[Jake]

I don't read either.

[Paul Rudd]

What now?

[Jake]

What?

[Paul Rudd]

What? What, you don't read at all?

[Jake]

No.

[Paul Rudd]

What, like articles? Oh, really? That's.

[Jake]

I write. I'm trying to think of the last article I read.

[Paul Rudd]

I do read articles. I read the paper. No. Yeah.

[Jake]

Every morning.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Like you get the paper and read it.

[Paul Rudd]

Physically, I don't get it anymore. Now, I'd read it on my phone, but I used to. I was one of those last. Kind of like the last. I like having a paper. I like separating the sections. Yeah.

[Jake]

What's your favorite column?

[Paul Rudd]

Every day I'll do the crossword puzzle. And I like the puzzles. I like the game section.

[Jake]

Do you play wordle?

[Paul Rudd]

I do play. I used to play wordle every day, but my wife plays wordle every day. And because we have the same thing, I can't reset it.

[Jake]

So do you know the word today?

[Paul Rudd]

No.

[Jake]

Do you want to play the wordle right now?

[Paul Rudd]

Sure. My wife will do the wordle and then I'll do strands. So we have an unspoken thing. It just happened where we. It's like, all right, that's what she'll do. Connections. And then I'll do sports. Connections.

[Jake]

Oh, you like sports?

[Paul Rudd]

I do.

[Jake]

Eagles.

[Paul Rudd]

No.

[Jake]

Okay. What's our first word?

[Paul Rudd]

Shane.

[Jake]

Okay. I don't know if that's a word, though.

[Paul Rudd]

It's not really.

[Jake]

Not word. Enlist.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay, well, then do shake.

[Jake]

Shake. Nothing.

[Paul Rudd]

Nothing.

[Jake]

Okay,

[Paul Rudd]

how about fruit?

[Jake]

Fruit. Fruit. Oh, my God, you're smart. Okay, so we have a yellow for the F and a yellow for the U. Oh, it's game time for you.

[Paul Rudd]

By the way, this is gonna take up well. You'll speed this up in the edit.

[Jake]

Okay, let's maybe start with W. I've actually. I don't know if we're just getting seeds fright or. I. I usually figure it out.

[Paul Rudd]

I know, me too. I think maybe a little bit of that.

[Jake]

Right, Puffy?

[Paul Rudd]

Yep, that's it. Thank you, Puffy.

[Jake]

I did see a double letter, which is why.

[Paul Rudd]

Right, Puffy?

[Jake]

Are you a party guy?

[Paul Rudd]

Not really. No. No.

[Jake]

Not a big drinker? Nothing?

[Paul Rudd]

No, no. I. You know, something. It's just happened. Where? Now, like the idea of getting into bed at about 8pm and not like, listen, I love it.

[Jake]

Starting the day early.

[Paul Rudd]

It's like I'm. This is. It's a bane of my daughter's existence where she says she feels like she's living with, you know, like, the cast of Cocoon. It's just so. I have no. I live such a old person's life.

[Jake]

Have you always been that way?

[Paul Rudd]

No.

[Jake]

Did you used to, like, go out?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jake]

How were your 20s?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, we go out quite a bit. I lived here, so it was fun.

[Jake]

You had a fun time?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

When did. How old were you when you did clueless?

[Paul Rudd]

23. 24. 24. I think.

[Jake]

Wow. And then how. Okay, so how did you get, like. Was that like, that. Was that, like, one of your first roles?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, it was. It was the second movie that I ever did, but it was the first one that ever came out.

[Jake]

Okay, and so how did you. What was the audition process like?

[Paul Rudd]

I had graduated from acting school.

[Jake]

Nyu?

[Paul Rudd]

No, the. It was called the American Academy of Dramatic Arts.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Paul Rudd]

And I had gotten an agent, and I was. I'd read some scripts that were. You know, they would send scripts. I'd try and get auditions here and there. And then this movie was getting cast. They were making this movie, and there were a lot of parts for young, like, people and kids and stuff. And so I read the script and was like, oh, this is really, like. I liked it. I thought it was smart, and I thought it was kind of interesting. And I went in for the audition, but I didn't know I was going in to audition for the role that I actually wound up playing. But when I went in, I asked if I could audition for a bunch of the roles.

[Jake]

What other roles? I haven't seen the movie in a

[Paul Rudd]

minute, so I. I liked.

[Jake]

You're the stepbrother.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. I. I auditioned for sh. I wanted to audition for Christian. I. I wanted to audition for Murray, but I didn't realize that that was African American. At Elton, which was Sisto's part. Jeremy Sisto. And. And then they said, what would you read for Josh?

[Jake]

Did you have any idea how big the movie would be?

[Paul Rudd]

No, no, not at all. I mean, the whole thing was so new to me. Auditioning was new. I hadn't ever really, I mean, been in a movie. I'd been in one, but I. I don't even know that if I had done it by the time I had auditioned for Clueless, I mean, I might have done the first movie after audition for Clueless. I don't quite remember. But it was all new. And you can never predict how these things are going to turn out. I think there was something kind of exciting during the table read that we had of it, where afterward, all of us, the whole cast kind of sitting around and thought, you know, we grew up with those John Hughes movies, and those movies were really important to our generation. Wouldn't it be cool to be in a movie that for a generation, that this is a movie that they kind of will be able to quote later on and was important to them, but you never really think that will actually happen. And then it kind of happened.

[Jake]

I did it. Was it like a slow burn after or did it just everything explode and now you're not?

[Paul Rudd]

No, it was a bit of a slower burn.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Paul Rudd]

You know, I think with cable and DVDs and all of that, it. It was successful when it came out, but it wasn't a smash. And I think just over time just kind of hung on.

[Jake]

Wow.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I don't know why I thought it was like a heated rivalry moment for you.

[Paul Rudd]

No, it wasn't. I never, you know, it. A lot of the things. It's funny things that I've been involved with had a bit of a slower burn that have lasted. Like, Anchorman was an. Is an example of one that came out and it did. Okay. But it wasn't until it was out of movie theaters and. And playing on cable that it started to kind of pick up. It had been out for a year already, so.

[Jake]

Do you miss cable?

[Paul Rudd]

Well, see, it's. So it was such a different time because there was no streaming. There's no anything. I mean, I do miss being able to just kind of turn on a television and flip around. Like now. It's just. There's.

[Jake]

But you can flip around in a different way now.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, but I just don't. I don't. I don't ever. I Now I just scroll through everything and I don't pick anything.

[Jake]

You know what I really love streaming for? It allowed me to watch every Marvel movie ever.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, yeah. You can do it in order. That's kind of. It's convenient, man.

[Jake]

Do you.

[Paul Rudd]

So did you. Do you. You miss cable? Do you miss cable at all? Or do you like the streaming?

[Jake]

I miss the runs that they would have.

[Paul Rudd]

Right.

[Jake]

Like when I was a kid and I was home, like, I would put on oxygen and I would watch like they would do like a Bad Girls Club marathon or an America's Next Top Model marathon. And I would just sit there and I would watch. I probably don't even know what I'm talking about. And I would just sit there and I would watch like the whole season in one day. It was a different form of binge.

[Paul Rudd]

It's like a marathon of something.

[Jake]

Yeah, it was called the. Yeah, it was TV marathon.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

But, yeah, I do miss that. But now it's nice that I can just pick what I want to watch. Like I'm watching Casino for the first time.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, the movie Casino. What do you think?

[Jake]

Well, it's taken me now three times to get through it, so. And it's. It's not to any fault of anyone in it. Clearly it's an all star cast and director.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Yeah. I've just. I'm like, okay, I need to understand. It's a lot of exposition, it's a lot of talking. I don't really know what's going on. It's like the 70s. I don't understand any of the terms. I don't understand what the fuck is going on.

[Paul Rudd]

But how many times have you tried to watch it?

[Jake]

Twice. I'm on my third now.

[Paul Rudd]

Right.

[Jake]

In two days, granted. Okay, but I was high last night. I'm sorry. I'm like. I was like, sitting there, like,

[Paul Rudd]

it's a commitment. It's not a short movie.

[Jake]

No, but you know what? I do love that. It reminds me a lot of what? Goodfellas.

[Paul Rudd]

Great movie.

[Jake]

Best movie ever.

[Paul Rudd]

Fantastic movie.

[Jake]

Wait, so tell me about Ant Man.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay. What do you want to know?

[Jake]

You wrote the script. I didn't know that.

[Paul Rudd]

Well, it was originally written by Edgar Wright. Edgar Wright was the director that brought me on to it. And Edgar Wright, he did a movie called Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz. He's great.

[Jake]

I know Shaun of the Dead, he's great director.

[Paul Rudd]

And he and a guy named Joe Cornish, another great director, wrote this script. And then it went through. He eventually. Edgar eventually left the project. It went through different versions. And then Adam McKay and I came on and wrote a version of it. But we tried to really kind of preserve what Edgar had really done.

[Jake]

Ant Man's still alive, right? Is he in the New Doomsday?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

You're lying. Are you excited? Have you shot it yet?

[Paul Rudd]

I have, yeah. Yeah.

[Jake]

Did you shoot with Lewis?

[Paul Rudd]

I did. I actually met him while we were doing it.

[Jake]

How amazing is he?

[Paul Rudd]

What a great guy.

[Jake]

The best guy ever.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Ever.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Okay. Please forgive me, because I haven't seen Endgame in a few years, but I've seen it a few times. Yeah. What did Ant man do in Endgame

[Paul Rudd]

again, besides save the universe?

[Jake]

Okay, so he didn't disappear with the snap.

[Paul Rudd]

No.

[Jake]

Good. Snapper. Wow.

[Paul Rudd]

I mean, it's not really that exciting. Like. No, that's actually a pretty good. Yes, that was a pretty good. That was a pretty good one. Yeah.

[Jake]

You do again. What? How you do it.

[Paul Rudd]

Can you do the.

[Jake]

I think I'm nervous. I feel like if I was alone, I could do it. Wait, hold on. I can't. How you do it. How you do it?

[Paul Rudd]

Like a water. Like the water. Wait. Oh, wait. There's the. There's no. That's not bad. That's good.

[Jake]

What?

[Paul Rudd]

That's a water drop.

[Jake]

How do it Again, how do you do that? You go to improv school,

[Paul Rudd]

I think was it. There was a guy on Nickelodeon once, I think it's Fred Newman. He used to do all of these kinds of sounds and it was. He used to host like those game shows and stuff he had and he. I remember once seeing him on TV and he went, this is water. You go. I just remembered it. No, we look like idiots.

[Jake]

How you do it? You just did it one day.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, I. Yeah.

[Jake]

You know, when I was a kid, I was so jealous of all my friends that were double jointed. So I used to take my thumb and go like this and I would

[Paul Rudd]

like try and make yourself double jointed.

[Jake]

But now I can do it. I feel like.

[Paul Rudd]

Can you do the. The thing? I. Yeah, the double jointed thing was always weird.

[Jake]

This.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Can you do this where you can bend your finger?

[Jake]

Like, why are you full of so many tricks and surprises?

[Paul Rudd]

I. That, by the way, I think I worked on that. I can't do it that much because there's like those other weirdos that just goes like flat.

[Jake]

I can't feel like I'm trying to be like in Marvel.

[Paul Rudd]

This is what it takes to be in Marvel.

[Jake]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, that's pretty good one.

[Jake]

Oh, wow. How'd you meet your wife?

[Paul Rudd]

I met my wife actually, right after I filmed Clueless.

[Jake]

So. You just live such a good life.

[Paul Rudd]

I was lucky. I met her. I met her at a young age,

[Jake]

like, oh, my career is going well. Oh, wife.

[Paul Rudd]

It was a pretty good time. It was a good moment in time for me. Yeah, I really lucked out. I really lucked out.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Well, tell me about your new movie. Power ballad. I watched it last night.

[Paul Rudd]

You did?

[Jake]

The song has been stuck in my head all day.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, it's an earworm, isn't it?

[Jake]

It's amazing. Have you heard the song? What? You haven't heard the song? Have you seen the movie? You're lying.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, it's just worth to you not it. My daughter. They're not interested too much.

[Jake]

Have you seen Clueless?

[Paul Rudd]

It's funny, I never showed it to you. I've never showed my kids any of the stuff. But it was you. It was one time when you were little. A babysitter showed you. Yeah.

[Jake]

Was she? That's weird.

[Paul Rudd]

I know, right? I was like, wait a minute, hold on. She'd never seen anything. You'd never seen anything I've ever done

[Jake]

showed you Clueless without your dad's permission?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, I was a little bummed out. I'll be honest. It's like, wait, hold on. You can't do that. She's never seen anything I had done. There was one time I had. I had done this. A Reno 911 movie. Kind of like, whatever. Kind of. It's like, it's my job, but this is my life and I'm with my family and. And. But my son, when he was really little, turned on the TV and this Reno 911 movie was on television, and it was right at a moment when Patton Oswald is. It's ridiculous. He's shooting me with a machine gun and it's bloody. And he saw me getting murdered. And he was a little kid and it really traumatized him. He didn't like it.

[Jake]

Is he. How old is he now?

[Paul Rudd]

21.

[Jake]

USC was fine. I went to USC. Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Did you like it?

[Jake]

I loved it. I had the best time of my life.

[Paul Rudd]

Was that the first time you went out to California?

[Jake]

No, I was born in California.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, you were.

[Jake]

And then I grew up in Washington Heights. Right over the Washington.

[Paul Rudd]

Right.

[Jake]

George Washington Bridge.

[Paul Rudd]

Right.

[Jake]

Do you remember. Okay, I don't know if you remember this. Do you remember when. What's his face. Who is the very large man who looks ill? Not Trump. He was like the governor.

[Paul Rudd]

He was the governor of Chris Christie.

[Jake]

Yes. And he. He shut down the bridge. The bridge.

[Paul Rudd]

Do you remember that as a political vendetta? Yes.

[Jake]

Do you remember. You know how hard it was for me to get home from school?

[Paul Rudd]

You got caught up in that?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Paul Rudd]

It actually. It actually killed someone. It destroyed his. It killed his political career.

[Jake]

Well, you know, it killed someone. Someone. I don't know if this is false news that I'm perpetuating, but I think someone in an ambulance died because they couldn't get through. Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Sounds ringing a bell. Yeah.

[Jake]

Why?

[Paul Rudd]

Because I think I heard that.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. I thought you were trying. But I do remember something else. I was like, no, I do.

[Paul Rudd]

I do remember when that happened.

[Jake]

It was misery.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Yeah. But he did it to. With people.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Because he was doing it to get back at a. At a. Somebody who didn't endorse him, I think.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Paul Rudd]

It was like a Democrat.

[Jake]

What are you watching on TV right now?

[Paul Rudd]

I just finished last night. Love on the Spectrum.

[Jake]

Okay. I need to tap in. I've heard it's amazing.

[Paul Rudd]

It is.

[Jake]

I've heard it's just, like, so amazing.

[Paul Rudd]

It's great, but it's great. I don't, you know, everything else that's going on. I. I'm fairly checked out On. My wife watches all the shows my family like.

[Jake]

What does she watch?

[Paul Rudd]

She loved Heated Rivalry. Rooster.

[Jake]

I haven't seen Rooster. Is it really like laugh out loud?

[Charlie]

Yes.

[Jake]

Okay. Okay. Have you seen Industry?

[Paul Rudd]

Which one?

[Jake]

Industry?

[Paul Rudd]

I haven't seen Industry. What's it. Have you seen Industry?

[Jake]

We started watching it.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, is it

[Jake]

the filthiest show on television?

[Paul Rudd]

What's up with all of these filthy shows on TV?

[Jake]

Well, it's about stock. 20 something stockbrokers in London. You can imagine where that goes.

[Paul Rudd]

I'm more of a love on the spectrum kind of guy.

[Jake]

You watch Euphoria?

[Paul Rudd]

No.

[Jake]

I guess you're like, what the. For that?

[Paul Rudd]

Well, it's. You know, I remember when that came out and people said if you have kids, you should probably watch it. Oh, God.

[Jake]

That's not. Not what we were up to, though.

[Paul Rudd]

I don't think it was. But I. What? What do I know? But no, I have no thick. I. I never sit down and start watching a show. Really. It just. When I do, I like it, but I don't do it that often.

[Jake]

Severance.

[Paul Rudd]

Severance. I did watch. Yeah. Severance. I love.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

The best.

[Paul Rudd]

It's great.

[Jake]

When's your birthday?

[Paul Rudd]

April 6.

[Jake]

Are you in Aries?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

What

[Paul Rudd]

is that surprising?

[Jake]

You're so nice.

[Paul Rudd]

Are Aries not normally nice?

[Jake]

They are nasty, nasty people.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay.

[Jake]

Aries are nasty people. What's your rising?

[Paul Rudd]

I don't know.

[Jake]

Your moon.

[Paul Rudd]

I'm not sure. What is. When's your birthday?

[Jake]

When you wake up in the morning. Yeah. What is the first thing that goes through your head?

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, God, here we go. Another day.

[Jake]

Really?

[Paul Rudd]

First thing goes to my head when I wake up is honestly, it's like, get up, make coffee and just do the puzzle. Keep away from as much news as possible. I wanted. I want my brain to wake up and then. And then I'll kind of like start reading articles of like, from the news. Ideally, that's what, like, I was. Ideally, I will wake up and kind of. I wake up early and I will. I will try and do things that are not kind of, you know, current events and stuff.

[Jake]

Right away I wake up and check my phone.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, Well, I think everyone kind of does that, right?

[Jake]

Yeah. But you know, it's like, like I go to bed and I get so excited when I start to fall asleep because I. And I can wake up late because then I wake up to notifications.

[Paul Rudd]

That's exciting.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

You, like, wake up. It's like kind of like Christmas Day.

[Jake]

It's better than Christmas. It's Literally better than Christmas because it's

[Paul Rudd]

just like, how many notes?

[Jake]

What did I miss?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. And you see, like, do you get, like, texts? Like, do you. Are you getting.

[Jake]

You think we'd be friends?

[Paul Rudd]

I. I don't know. Do we. Do you think we would be?

[Jake]

I think we would be. I think.

[Paul Rudd]

Or am I just so kind of like.

[Jake]

I think you are so, like. You are like a good person.

[Paul Rudd]

Well, you're a good person. I think that's. Comes across.

[Jake]

Oh, you think?

[Paul Rudd]

I know you. I know it's true.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. Thank you.

[Paul Rudd]

Wow.

[Jake]

I needed to hear that today, really. Wake up and. I woke up today and felt like a real.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Yeah. I woke up and I was like,

[Paul Rudd]

do you normally wake up in a good mood or. Or a sour mood?

[Jake]

Pretty bad. Most. Most the time I wake up and I'm like, I want to die.

[Paul Rudd]

Really?

[Jake]

But I wake up, I look at the clock and I'm just like, Mm. And sometimes I wake up and I'm like. And usually, like, people will be able to tell. Today I woke up and I was like.

[Paul Rudd]

Do you sleep straight through the night?

[Jake]

No. Well, yes.

[Paul Rudd]

I find that something happened several years ago where it's. If I would have a glass of wine at dinner. I wake up.

[Jake]

I hate. I hate casual drinking.

[Paul Rudd]

I'm not. Yeah. So I stopped doing. No, I'll still have a drink every now and again, but. But I'm not a heavy drinker or anything. But I. I don't like. I don't like drinking and going to sleep, waking up and just the next day, it's not even about.

[Jake]

No, I.

[Paul Rudd]

Feeling hungover. I'm just. I. I just feel. Oh, there. And. And I like when I'm. If I can get to sleep early and I have a good night's sleep and I wake up and I'm, like, ready. Like, that kind of ready to tackle the day type feeling. But I find that. That it is a little more fleeting at moments in time. Sometimes you get so stressed, and it's like I wake up and my mind's going 100 miles an hour, and I'm thinking of all different things.

[Jake]

Alcohol makes it worse.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I've been sober for a week, as I've told you, and I was with my friends yesterday who were so hungover, and they looked at me and they go, how does it feel that, like, we all went out last night and we feel so horrible today, and you, like, feel amazing. And in that moment, I was like, I do feel better than you.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Do you know what I Mean, like, I feel. Not better, but, like, I was like. Well, I feel I. Yeah, I forgot, like, what it's like to wake up on a Saturday in New York and not be hungover.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. And it's like it's kind of dying away, and you just hear the noise of the world, and it just kind of crushes in. Mm. Yeah.

[Jake]

What's the most fun night out you've ever had? Ever?

[Paul Rudd]

When my wife was pregnant, we were watching tv. We're living in the West Village, and we were watching, I think, the Sopranos.

[Jake]

I've never seen it.

[Paul Rudd]

It's great.

[Jake]

I know.

[Paul Rudd]

It's great. A show.

[Jake]

I know.

[Paul Rudd]

And so we were watching the Sopranos. It was like we're watching in the afternoon, maybe a DVD or something. I don't know. And all of a sudden, I said, you want to go to Atlantic City? And she said, yeah. And we went. So we just walked down the street to the dollar, rent a car, rented a car, drove to Atlantic City. Didn't have a place, didn't have a hotel to stay at. Didn't have a Nothing. We just went and walked up and said, we'd like to get a room. And they said, well, we're sold out. Like, you know what? Here, just take this. They just gave us. These two randos just gave us a suite. So this is incredible. So we go out to the suite, and then they come back downstairs, and I go and I sit down, right? Like, I've been there for five minutes, and I'm playing a video poker game, and this guy, the pit boss, comes over. He goes, you here for the concert? And I said, no. What's the concert? He said, boston.

[Jake]

Who's Boston?

[Paul Rudd]

Boston is a band. They were kind of like a classic rock band. I. They're great.

[Jake]

Do they have a hit? I would know.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. More than a feeling. Like something like 70s. I kind of like they were like, in the 1976.

[Jake]

I think that's where the feeling go again. More than a feeling More than a feeling More than a feeling Standing and

[Paul Rudd]

dreaming so anyway, I go, no. I go, when are they playing? And he goes, about 10 minutes. You want to go? And I said, yeah. So my wife comes down. I said, Boston's playing in 10 minutes. And the guy just goes here and gave us tickets, like house seats. We see she's pregnant. We see Boston. It's an amazing concert. We walk out. I got past that machine. I put in, like, $20 or something, and I hit it, and I got, like, a royal flush. I went like a Few thousand dollars. And then we got. And then we went to the suite and. And then we just left. I'm like, okay, that's a perfect. There's this just kept going. It kept getting better and better and better. And it was an. It was an amazing night.

[Jake]

That is so beautiful. There was. I thought you were gonna be like. I drank until the morning. Like.

[Paul Rudd]

No. Seeing Boston with my eight month pregnant wife.

[Jake]

That's really sweet. That's really sweet.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. I love the way you look at life.

[Paul Rudd]

You gotta. No, just, you know, it's about being content, finding those moments and treasuring them.

[Jake]

You should listen to Casey Musgraves.

[Paul Rudd]

I love Casey.

[Jake]

Do you really?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Have you heard her new album?

[Paul Rudd]

I've heard the one song, dry spell. Yeah. Didn't she just do something with like, taking also people who are affected by ice and making them. I mean, come on.

[Jake]

Yeah, she's great.

[Paul Rudd]

That's great.

[Jake]

She's great. She's just. She is the one that got me into country when I was 12 years old.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I heard follow your arrow and I said, wow. I did not know country could be about gay people.

[Paul Rudd]

Country. I'm up. I love country music. Really, like old school country music. And then there's some like, obviously modern country singers I think are really great.

[Jake]

But what do you listen to? Like, what do you listen to right now?

[Paul Rudd]

What am I listening to right now? What am I listening to right now, Darby?

[Jake]

I mean, I guess more Mommy and mom wasn't sure of like yacht rock and. But for, like, newer fans, I feel

[Charlie]

like you like the Strokes.

[Jake]

I love the Strokes. Yeah. I love the jokes.

[Paul Rudd]

I'm very excited for this new Strokes album.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Do you like the new. Do you like the new single?

[Paul Rudd]

I do.

[Jake]

What's it? Shopping? Going shopping.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Yeah. What is it? Yeah, I do. I like. I think it's really, really catchy. I think Julian Casablanca is like a crazy great singer.

[Jake]

That's like a rock.

[Paul Rudd]

That range is crazy.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I saw them at Coachella the other week.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, yeah? How was that?

[Jake]

The best weekend of my life.

[Paul Rudd]

Really?

[Jake]

The best weekend of my life.

[Paul Rudd]

Why?

[Jake]

Because. Okay, So I lost £20 and I could get on everyone's shoulders again because I wasn't too heavy. And so I like. I know, like, you know what I mean? Like two years ago, like, like I was at the Strokes and I turned to my best friend and I was so excited. I'm always at music festivals. The Strokes are always there, and I've never seen them perform My favorite song in the entire world, Someday, greatest song of all time. And they played it, like, two songs in, and I was on my best friend Will's shoulders, and I was screaming the lyrics. The desert. Have you been to Coachella?

[Paul Rudd]

No.

[Jake]

The desert wind was blowing in my face. It was just like, this is it. Isn't that the first album? Is this it?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

That's how I felt. And it was. It was like one of the best concerts, best shows I've ever seen in my life.

[Paul Rudd]

Was it? That was. That was. Were they your favorite band that you saw while you were there?

[Jake]

You know what I loved about it? It was that, like, I loved every different performance for different reasons. So I saw, like, on night one, I saw, you know, Cat's Eye. No.

[Paul Rudd]

Who. I've heard of Cat's Eye, but they're

[Jake]

a K pop band, right? I saw them with all my gays, and we were having the best time ever. Pinky up, up, Pinky Up.

[Paul Rudd]

What's that?

[Jake]

That's their dance.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay.

[Jake]

One, two, one, two, three. But pinky up, pinky up. It was really good. And then after Cat's Eye, I saw. Who did I see? Sabrina Carpenter, who was just to die for. And then we saw Disclosure, and that was just like. I was. I never want to stop dancing, right? I just want to dance until my legs fall off.

[Paul Rudd]

Was that the first? Now, you've been to Coachella before?

[Jake]

Yeah, I've had. I've had experiences.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay.

[Jake]

Not good, right? House broken.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh.

[Jake]

And then the other times, I thought I was, like, too cool for it, so I was like, I'll go at 11. And then this time, I was like, I'm going to go to the festival. And I had the best time ever. Bieber was just amazing. But then Sunday, I woke up and I said, if I don't leave right now, I will kill myself.

[Paul Rudd]

That's a. It was just time. You knew it was time.

[Jake]

It was like, no around. If I said, we're up. My bags were packed. I said, I'm going home now. And then I got a Benadryl IV and slept for 24 hours.

[Paul Rudd]

How long did it take to leave?

[Jake]

It was quick because we left on Sunday morning.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, and everyone's still standing.

[Jake]

Everyone was there. They want to see Young Thug.

[Paul Rudd]

Got it. Got it.

[Jake]

You ever listen to rap? I paint you as, like, a Jay Z guy.

[Paul Rudd]

No, I mean, I'm like, you know, my. I would say most of my tastes that I've learned, most of the stuff that I listen to is so Kind of. It's like stuff like divine Comedy or stuff that's old or bands that are, you know. Not really. No. Not many people are listening to. Not because it's like. That's so cool.

[Jake]

Right?

[Paul Rudd]

It's just. I don't know, like, what's popular.

[Jake]

You went to the Arrows Tour, though?

[Paul Rudd]

No, I did.

[Jake]

Did you enjoy?

[Paul Rudd]

I had a great time.

[Jake]

You took her. Which show did you guys see?

[Paul Rudd]

She took me.

[Jake]

She took you? What show did you guys see?

[Paul Rudd]

We saw the. Well, it was out here. Was in New York.

[Jake]

Oh, you saw the New Jersey one?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I'm so jealous. Do you remember your surprise songs? You don't?

[Paul Rudd]

No. I bet. Let's see you. I know you remember.

[Jake]

Was it Maroon? Did you guys get Maroon? You guys got clean. Yeah. You guys got clean. And welcome to New York.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, the.

[Jake]

I don't even know how I know that. I wasn't at the show. I was not at the show.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Where did you film Power Ballad?

[Paul Rudd]

I filmed it, by the way. How about that? Did you hear that?

[Jake]

I did, yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, it was. That's. We filmed it in Dublin, Ireland.

[Jake]

Oh, gorge.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

How was it?

[Paul Rudd]

Fantastic.

[Jake]

I've never been to Ireland.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay. You gotta go to Ireland.

[Jake]

Did you touch the gift of the gab?

[Paul Rudd]

No.

[Jake]

You've never heard of the statue? That. You touch it and then you get

[Paul Rudd]

the gift of the Gap, I think.

[Jake]

No, I didn't have the gift of the Gap.

[Paul Rudd]

I think you have the gift of the Gap.

[Jake]

Really?

[Paul Rudd]

Of course you do. Thank you. Ireland is. Is the greatest. You will love it.

[Jake]

Okay. But let me ask you one thing.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay.

[Jake]

The food.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay. Well, I think, you know, it's a cosmopolitan city now, and there's. And. And so there are great restaurants. Like, what are some great restaurants in Dublin that says, really, I'm put on the spot here? I don't know. Yeah, there's great places. There's some great steakhouses I went to, like. Okay. You know, I said, I'll tell you, here's a band that, like, I have never stopped listening to. That's one of my favorites is a band called the Pogues.

[Jake]

Oh, I've heard of that.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay, so that's. So that is. That will be where I would veer toward more than anything else, really. And that's very Irish centric music.

[Jake]

Were you excited to film in Dublin? Have you filmed in Dublin before?

[Paul Rudd]

I had one time briefly, and I'd been to Ireland several times. It's one of my favorite places on the planet. I mean, a lot of people feel that.

[Jake]

And you never touched the gift of the Gab?

[Paul Rudd]

No, I've. I've kissed the Blarney Stone.

[Jake]

That's that gift to the Gap.

[Paul Rudd]

That's the get. So the gift of the gap is kissing the Blarney Stone.

[Jake]

Please, for me.

[Paul Rudd]

The Blarney Stone at Blarney Castle near Cork. Yes.

[Jake]

They give you the gift of the Gap.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, that is the gift of the Gap. Oh, that's the gift of the Gab. I thought it was a luck thing. Yeah. So that I have. Yeah, I have.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Paul Rudd]

Well, that explains it, then.

[Jake]

It does, doesn't it?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

This episode of Therapists is brought to you by booking.combooking. yeah. Okay. So what's important this summer is that ideas come to fruition. And the best way of that happening is when you plan a trip with your friends and it becomes real. The most reliable way for that idea to become real is on booking.com. are you following? So booking.com is the easiest place to book a place to stay for travel. The only reason I went to Vegas, I was able to go to Vegas with all my friends and is because we use booking.com to book our travel. At least with my friends are so specific about what they want. I want a tub. I want a shower. I want a tub and a shower. You can put all those needs in on booking.com and it's. It's officially summer. I would go as far to say that it is officially summer. In tonight's episode, I talk with Paul about planning a trip to go to his house and perform karaoke. How can I plan that trip without booking.com? the trip becomes full circle with booking.com. find exactly what you're booking for at booking.combooking. yeah. Book today on the site or in the app. What drew you to the script?

[Paul Rudd]

Well, the script I thought was great, but really it was the director. Have you ever seen any of John Carney's other movies?

[Jake]

I saw. I've seen once.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay, Once is great.

[Jake]

I'm lying.

[Paul Rudd]

You love it. Okay, so. So once is terrific.

[Jake]

I know.

[Paul Rudd]

I heard. And then he did a movie called Sing Street.

[Jake]

I know, but I've heard Once is to die For.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, there's just. There's something. There's something, I think with John Carney's movies, all of them that are hopeful and the music is great, and there's something so kind of joyous and celebratory that I love. I love them and I love. They're so in kind of inherently Irish,

[Jake]

which is he Irish?

[Paul Rudd]

He is Carney. And I'm very, I'm very drawn to things that are Irish and so are you Irish? No. I would love to be Italian. No, British. My parents are both from London.

[Jake]

Oh.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. And. But I've spent time in Ireland and I just, I. It's just a magical, amazing place. And I think that there's something about the mix of kind of the music, the locations and the spirit and with which John kind of makes these films that I, I was so excited to work with him and I had done. There was this script. Power Ballad was written by a guy named Peter McDonald who's in the movie. He's the guy who plays Sandy, my friend that.

[Jake]

Oh, the friend that you were very mean to.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And.

[Jake]

Oh, he wrote it.

[Paul Rudd]

He wrote it and he's, he's a great actor and he's a. I actually had worked with him briefly in Ireland one other. One other time.

[Jake]

So what was it?

[Paul Rudd]

It was a. There was a show called Moon Boy.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Paul Rudd]

The actor Chris o' Dowd created and I did an episode of Moon Boy and that was the only other time I'd actually ever worked in Ireland.

[Jake]

Does. So does John Carney. Did he write the song in the movie?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, John was. Is a musician as well.

[Jake]

Got it.

[Paul Rudd]

And he's, he was in a band called the Frames, actually. And in Once. Glenn Hansard is the guy and they were friends. They were in a band together and. And so John was a bassist and music is such a part of who he is. But he started really getting into filmmaking and so he somehow kind of straddles the line of musician and filmmaker. Even though he would say, oh, I'm a. He's a filmmaker. But music is so important to him and, and it runs through every film that he's done. And he even directs like a musician. It was really kind of a cool thing. You know, we would be. We'd show up at work and there would be a three page scene that we're supposed to do. And he'd say, nah, I don't think we'd say this. Well, let's, let's. Let's try something. And, and it would be some sort of improvisation or some kind of new thing. He said, let's follow this and let's go like this and let's, let's explore that. And, and it, it felt like being a musician in a studio and it's like you're coming up with some cool progression and he would kind of trust in that. And there was this vitality and life to the way he works that I just loved. And so I think that it was like. Yeah, the appeal of. Of working in Ireland with him. Music is important to me too. And it was a really challenging thing because I do stuff in that movie that I've never really done before, so. Like what? Well, just like kind of the singing and music and the guitar and all that kind of stuff. It was all this.

[Jake]

I'd never really did you have to play actual guitar.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. But it's. It's not, it's like that's not my to. To. It's not my thing really. And so I, it was, it was kind of scary and a little nerve wracking and exciting. I was excited to kind of tackle it all.

[Jake]

Did you take vocal lessons?

[Paul Rudd]

No.

[Jake]

You just did it.

[Paul Rudd]

I just. Well, thank you. I'm. I. I just did it. But you know, I would say I'm such a karaoke enthusiast that.

[Jake]

Are you that?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

What's your karaoke song?

[Paul Rudd]

I do it so much. I have a karaoke song because I have a. We have it at our house.

[Jake]

You have a karaoke machine?

[Paul Rudd]

I have a karaoke on. We have a, A. I have a pub in my house, an Irish pub in my house. And it has karaoke on it. So people come over and, and sing all the time.

[Jake]

I want to come over for karaoke. All right, I'll be there.

[Paul Rudd]

All right. What do you think, Darby?

[Jake]

Can I come over for karaoke? You're always welcome. I want to actually come over for carry for karaoke, please. What do you want saying? Shallow, obviously.

[Paul Rudd]

I mean, obviously we're doing shallow, obviously. What's your karaoke go do? Are you a. Do you like karaoke?

[Jake]

Okay. So I, I try. Like, like I, I don't really do it often.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

But when I do it, I feel like it's always shallow.

[Paul Rudd]

It's fun.

[Jake]

What's the most fun you've ever had on a job, ever?

[Paul Rudd]

The most fun I've ever had on a job. Anchorman was really fun. I love you, man. Was really fun.

[Jake]

I love that movie.

[Paul Rudd]

That was really, really fun. One to do, Wet Hot American Summer was very fun because we were. It was like at a summer camp and it felt like being at summer camp. But I think a lot of the comedies are a blast because it's, it's. I just have been able to work with some of the funniest people in the world and it makes going to work such a joy.

[Jake]

Did you go to. When you were at acting school, did you study Comedy, or was it something that just came naturally?

[Paul Rudd]

No, I didn't. I didn't. My. I always loved comedy, and I loved comedians, and I used to watch snl, and I thought, oh, that'd be so cool to be at Second City or something like that. But I actually studied theater, and I was not comedy.

[Jake]

What was it like hosting SNL for the first time?

[Paul Rudd]

Surreal. Yeah. Really? It was. I was so excited.

[Jake]

How old were you?

[Paul Rudd]

I was 30. 38, 39. 30. Yeah. And I. I was where I was. It was a little. Sir. It was a little weird because it was just two weeks after my. My dad died. Yeah. So it was like, okay. He knew I had weird things going through my head, which is like, my dad knew I was gonna host snl, and he was very excited for me, and now it's happening, and. But. And he's not here. And so it was like, kind of wrestling those thoughts with, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm hosting snl. I've wanted to do this my whole life. I've been a fan of this show. And so it was such a mix of so many feelings and. And then on top of it all, just kind of sheer terror.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Because in a way, it's like, oh. Oh, yeah. It is live. You kind of. You kind of put it aside, and it. And it happens so quickly that people say, like, okay, just know that it's gonna. It's gonna fly by. Don't forget to enjoy it. You know, I was getting kind of tips along the way. My. The musical guest was. First time I hosted was Beyonce.

[Jake]

Shut up.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. And so.

[Jake]

Hosted SNL with Beyonce.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And. And so that was. That was crazy. And. And also she was in a sketch, you know. Do you remember the SNL sketch? Like, the famous one? She had all the single ladies that they redid. So that was my first time I ever hosted.

[Jake]

Wow. That's. That's a very famous sketch. I remember watching that when I was a kid.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. So that show was the first time I ever hosted, and it was one of those kind of, oh, my God, this is really, really happening. It was a total thrill.

[Jake]

Did it. Do you think it helped with your grieving process at all? Is that a weird question?

[Paul Rudd]

No, not at all. It's. I don't.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

I don't know if it. If it helped or hurt or anything was just another thing. Thing that was. You know, it's like, when you think back sometimes into the past, you think in terms of just these kind of generic, like, oh, that was a while ago. That was a while ago. Like, when I think of the very first time I hosted snl, I think, like, that was a few weeks after my dad died. It, like, puts. It puts a weird time in history. Like, I can. I. I have an understanding of when that was, and so it makes me kind of recall it in a different way. And. And it was. It was a. It was exciting. Like, I. I was so sad, obviously. And yet that was so. It was so much fun to do that show. So I suppose in some way. Yeah, it helped. I could not think about it for a while. You can't really think about anything while

[Jake]

you're doing it, in a sense.

[Paul Rudd]

But it's. It's all kind of wrapped up together for me.

[Jake]

Wow.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And what project were you promoting at the time?

[Paul Rudd]

Role Models. Yeah, that was it.

[Jake]

Who else was in that movie?

[Paul Rudd]

It was.

[Jake]

Because I saw it at the time.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, it was Sean William Scott was the other guy. And then Christopher Mintz Plass, this kid named Bobby J. Thompson who was hilarious. Jane lynch was in it. My friend A.D. miles was in it. Joe Latrulio was in it. A lot of Ken Jong was in it. Yeah.

[Jake]

I remember having to actually beg my dad to let me see that in theaters.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, really?

[Jake]

It was that. I would have to beg him to see that. It was like that and like Bridesmaids and all those movies that were coming out. Yeah, those. At that time was a very big time at the box office for comedies.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Right.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Am I remembering correctly?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, you're remembering it. Absolutely. It was. It was. And it was an. It was very exciting. And Judd Apatow was behind a lot of those.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Not Role models. He wasn't. But. But it was kind of. Yeah. A lot of people go into the movie theaters and watching comedies, and it was. These were the things to see and to be around that and be a part of that was really cool.

[Jake]

It was a really good age for comedy.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Was. It was Amy Poehler on SNL back when you were hosting.

[Paul Rudd]

No, she had just left by the time I was hosting.

[Jake]

Who was. Do you remember who was on the cast?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Well, Kristen Wi. Yeah. Bill Hader and Will Forte. Jason Sudeikis.

[Jake]

Wow.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

[Jake]

Group. What a life.

[Paul Rudd]

You would be great at hosting snl. Is it. It's your dream.

[Jake]

You really think that? Are you just saying not to say that?

[Paul Rudd]

Of course. I know. It would be true. You would. You're funny. You would. You. And you would thrive in that, I think. Like you. I think that you step up to the moment.

[Jake]

Tell me more.

[Paul Rudd]

I think you. I think that you don't. I think you accept a challenge. I think that when you see an opportunity for kind of something to celebrate or go for in some way, that I think that it is inherent in probably in who you are. I'm guessing. I think that, like, when you did the show, did you have so much fun doing the show?

[Jake]

So much fun.

[Paul Rudd]

And I would imagine, like, when that came about, you.

[Jake]

You were nervous.

[Paul Rudd]

Sure. But probably like, oh, no, I'm doing this. This is something. This was like, you. You were.

[Jake]

There was no second guessing.

[Paul Rudd]

None. Right.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. There you go. Wow. And also like that. That. You know that. Oh, here's the interesting thing. The very. When I first hosted one of the head writers, Simon Richard. No way.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Did you see All Out?

[Paul Rudd]

No. And I didn't see you do it, because. And the reason why was when you were doing it, I was away the entire time working on a movie written by Nathaniel Rich, Simon's brother.

[Jake]

And is that movie out yet? No, well, of course not. You filmed it in December or I think January. Whatever. Yeah. Wow.

[Paul Rudd]

So I was in New Orleans, kind

[Jake]

of kismet with us a little bit. Okay. Do you want to do the Tell me what's wrongs?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Are you familiar with my stuff at all?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, I am. I've watched. I watched, by the way. Well, first of all, my daughter has always been like, okay, you. You look at this. Check this out. Like, oh, he's. He just did talk with Nick Jonas.

[Jake]

I did.

[Paul Rudd]

Yep.

[Jake]

And.

[Paul Rudd]

And so then I kind of went and went down the rabbit hole a little bit, and I was all excited. Also, the very first episode with Bejeweled, and I saw. Yeah. And. And I would. But I was also like, oh, my God, he's doing an entire episode on Bejeweled, which is a game I have on my phone. I'm like, oh, no, it's a different Bejeweled.

[Jake]

Wait, I'm dying. Do you know how. Nerd. I was more nervous to film that first episode than I was for anything ever, really, ever. I think it was the first time Nolan and I had met in person. I was so anxious, I didn't know what to talk about. I kept screaming at Julia, my best friend. Like, I was just. Do you remember that? I kept making, like, weird Mormon jokes that we had to cut. Like, I went on a whole tangent about Mormons that I had, and we had to cut it. Louise was like, why would you say that about them? I was like, I don't know. I don't know what to say.

[Paul Rudd]

It's really a nerve wracking thing. You know, once you just start talking, like, what. Whereas was it something like, I know I want to have this podcast. This was a goal. Or did it just like how I.

[Jake]

So I was kind of at like a crossroads.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

The sack was on strike.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And I had. I was like, I really wanted to act. There was nothing going on at the moment. And I had quit my job. And I was like, a podcast would be fun and it seems low pressure enough.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And my manager Zach was like, you, you shouldn't expect to see any growth until you hit the two year mark. If you're consistent with it for two years, then you will see growth. And to my surprise, it happened far quicker than two years. And now I'm speaking to you here.

[Paul Rudd]

Did you always want. You always want to be an actor?

[Jake]

I love acting. I was just in my first movie this summer with Lewis and it premiered at south by similar to Power Ballad. And I just find it to be the most rewarding thing.

[Paul Rudd]

You had a great time doing it.

[Jake]

I had the best time. My favorite thing is like, if I make a joke, if I'm like riffing and then you hear like, like Video village laugh. It's like the best feeling in the entire world.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I, I like, I love hearing it was. Everything always came from, like, me trying to make my friends laugh.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

So then if I'm like making people laugh, it's like, that's the most rewarding. So it.

[Paul Rudd]

I'm with you. I feel the same way.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

When you were kind of growing up, what were some of your favorite things? Did you like comedy? More than.

[Jake]

My favorite movie was Bridesmaids, but my favorite movie of all time is Devil Wears Prada. I just find it to be like a bible of how to live life.

[Paul Rudd]

We had this conversation on the way over here, by the way.

[Jake]

You did. What's your favorite movie of all time? My favorite movie of all time is Step Brothers. Step Brothers. What's your favorite movie of all time?

[Paul Rudd]

Boy, it's. I don't know if I have a favorite movie of all time. One of them is a movie called With Nail and I was one of my favorite movies.

[Jake]

With who?

[Paul Rudd]

It's called With. With Nail and Die.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. But I have. There's so many movies that I. It's an impossible question.

[Jake]

I just love Bridesmaids, like, taught me how to be funny. And then the Devil Wears Prada taught me to never Quit my job because it was hard. Have you seen the Devil Wars? Prada?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, several times.

[Jake]

What do you think about her leaving in Paris? Like, what's your take on that? When she tosses the phone in the fountain and it's like this and leaves.

[Paul Rudd]

I think it's essential for the film.

[Jake]

I know, but do you think it was a good decision? No. You're working for Miranda Priestley at Runway.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. You feel like she. She needed to stick with it just a little bit more.

[Jake]

I just think she had more. More in her than she thought. Like, she thought she watched Miranda Priestley.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Kind of. Over Stanley Tucci.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And she's like, well, that could happen to me.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

It's like, well, it could. But Andy had so much potential in her. That I don't think that she would ever let that happen to her.

[Paul Rudd]

But what would she be sacrificing in her personal life?

[Jake]

Life. Everything. But as Lady Gaga once says, your career will never wake up and tell you it doesn't love you anymore.

[Paul Rudd]

Mine did years ago.

[Jake]

No, it didn't. These are the tell me what's wrongs now.

[Paul Rudd]

I can't wait.

[Jake]

Okay. My friend keeps trying to get me to go on a trip with her. But she just gets so drunk whenever we go out. And I know it would be just signing up to babysit. I want to plan more trips for the summer without hurting her feelings. But I don't know how to tell her that she would be a terrible travel partner.

[Paul Rudd]

Ooh. That's. That's kind of a dilemma, isn't it?

[Jake]

You have to say you're an alcoholic.

[Paul Rudd]

She's an alcohol. She's a Straight up.

[Jake]

I mean, if you're babysitting your friend every time you go out. Yeah. That's.

[Paul Rudd]

Well, it's like every single time, it's like, come on. And if you're taking trips, what. What kind of trip are we taking? Are we taking someplace we're going to learn, like, something historical?

[Jake]

So what you're learning now is that we don't have contact Usually with any of these, there's no contact. So we kind of just have to, like, go off our gut instinct.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

My gut instinct is telling me you're up.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Here's the thing. If this is bothering you so much that every time you go out your friend is drinking and it's making it miserable. That you're going to write in a question about it. Then you already know your answer.

[Jake]

It's gonna say, I can't go on a trip with you.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jake]

And then they'll look at me, I'll say, no, I won't do that. And then what do you do then? Friendship over, huh? Life is hard.

[Paul Rudd]

It really is.

[Jake]

How do I deal with someone who literally is the biggest manipulator and pity party? Me. My whole friend group goes through phases of hating her. Me, but they always fall for victim complex and go back. I am the only one who calls her out, and it frustrates me so much. How do I deal with this without seeming like the confrontational one?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Oh, gosh. Life is short. You know, it's. I think that if this is. If. If you really care about somebody and this is what they're doing and you're confronting them, which she clearly is, or he clearly is, and it's just getting to be too much of a drag, then spare yourself.

[Jake]

And do what, though? Her whole friend group goes back to them always.

[Paul Rudd]

And then, yeah, I think it's just kind of like, all right, friendship maybe takes a step back.

[Jake]

New friends entirely.

[Paul Rudd]

Or just be like, all right, can you hang with this and just kind of ignore it? Don't take any of this.

[Jake]

You can't ignore that. You can't.

[Paul Rudd]

Well, if it's making you upset, then every time you go out, you just, like, you know, you gotta. You might need to dump the whole group.

[Jake]

That's what I'm thinking, too. Just take some break, make some new friends. Go on a run club.

[Paul Rudd]

You run on a treadmill occasionally? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. I'll bike.

[Jake]

You bike. I totally see that for you.

[Paul Rudd]

No, you know, that was a real thing, like. Like this idea of getting real cycling. Like, they're those guys that go like, all through, like, nyack and all that. And. Yeah, I'm not that kind of cyclist. No.

[Jake]

Oh, speaking of cyclists, do you watch

[Paul Rudd]

True Crime, like, in general? Yeah, I mean, I've seen some true crime.

[Jake]

Care about True crime?

[Paul Rudd]

Not really.

[Jake]

You gotta watch the show on Netflix right now. Should I Marry a Murderer?

[Paul Rudd]

That sounds.

[Jake]

Let me give you.

[Paul Rudd]

That sounds so unappealing.

[Jake]

Cyclist.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay.

[Jake]

Dead. That's it. Going. That's.

[Paul Rudd]

That's it. That's going with.

[Jake]

That's the teaser is actually crazy. Has anyone seen it? Do you want me to tell you? Yeah, she basically. She basically, like, this woman is, like, so down bad. She's had this horrible breakup and meets this guy on Tinder. She goes be like, he's a little bit of a drinking problem. You know, she's like, he's a little bit of a drinker, but he's like this, like, hot. Like. Like welder. What does he do? Something with his hands. Oh, he's a farmer. And, no, he's not a farmer. Is he a farm? It's like, on a farm, he, like, does handiwork, so it's, like, hot to her.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay.

[Jake]

He proposes to her, right?

[Paul Rudd]

Proposes?

[Jake]

Yeah, he proposed, like, after a few weeks or months, whatever. I forget. And then he proposed to her. And then he drives and this is not funny. It's horrible. And he goes. He's like, keep your phone in the car. I have to tell you something. She goes, okay. And she goes. One time, I was really. I drunk drove home and I drove over this cyclist and we buried him. And she was like, what? And then. So they go home and she's like. And then they follow. He falls asleep. So she's Googling. This cyclist has been missing for years. Years. So she's like, oh, my God, what do I do? What do you think she does? She continues with the relationship. She's like, well, he's supposed to come for Thanksgiving dinner. What am I supposed to do? Actually, like, does she bring him to Thanksgiving dinner? It's crazy. You should watch it. It's crazy.

[Paul Rudd]

And it gets crazier from there. She stays with the guy, and it's

[Jake]

like, oh, my God. And everyone's watching is probably like, oh, my God, turn him in. But she was like, I told. The funniest part of it is she's like, I told my parents about him, so what am I gonna do? And it's like, what, you told your parents about him, so you have to bring him for Christmas dinner even though he's a murderer? And the best part is. The best part is, I was always wondering, you know how in true crime shows, they show, like, found footage? And it's always like. And it's like, the girl, the vha, this VHS cam, it's now like. Like, videos of them with, like, the doggy Snapchat filter. Have you noticed that? So it's like. Like, it feels like kind of the new generation of true crime. Do you know what I mean?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Like, all her videos are with a filter. All her Snapchat videos with him, they all have a filter on them. It's the weirdest thing.

[Paul Rudd]

That's so crazy when I, like.

[Jake]

It's. It's. You don't care.

[Paul Rudd]

No, I do. I do. I care. Like, I'm following this. This is interesting. And I'm. I do want to know how that plays out.

[Jake]

Me, too. But I'm in the Middle of casino, as you know.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And I have to finish that.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Well, that's gonna take a while.

[Jake]

Three hours, you know, though, I don't.

[Paul Rudd]

You gotta sit down. Just go, all right. I'm going to do it in one fell swoop. It's not a huge commitment.

[Jake]

I knew you were gonna say one fell swoop.

[Paul Rudd]

You did.

[Jake]

Synced up so hard right there. I was like, he's about to say one fell swoop.

[Paul Rudd]

It's like. Like, you know, that was never even a consideration. Back in my day, when you would. You'd watch a movie. It's like, oh, yeah. No, you. Because you actually had to go to the movies to see it. It was like, all right, I'm gonna watch it. And then it's done and it's great. Or even if you're watching it on HBO or something. I was like, oh, it's great. But now it's like, we stop and. And you do it in segments and it's. We've lost something.

[Jake]

Have you ever walked out of a movie?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Have you?

[Jake]

Yeah. No.

[Paul Rudd]

Do you like scary movies?

[Jake]

I love scary movies.

[Paul Rudd]

What's your favorite scary movie?

[Jake]

My favorite scary movie, the one I've been the most scared at was the Conjuring 2.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay.

[Jake]

Just because there's a scene, a good jump scare isn't a jump scare where there's, like a lead up to it. A good jump scare happens out of literally nowhere. And there's this insane jump scare in the Conjuring, too. But I would say my favorite scary movie of all time. What's yours?

[Paul Rudd]

I do really like the Shining.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

That is good. Not one of your favorites. I think it's good, right?

[Jake]

I didn't frighten me.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, well, I like. I mean, I'm like jump scares. I'm kind of like, oh, the Ring.

[Jake]

I love the Ring.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Well, yeah. And they. The Ring Goo. The original. The original?

[Jake]

Yeah, the original. I've heard it's terrible.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, man. That was there. That movie's really scary. There's another movie called Audition that was really terrifying.

[Jake]

I love the Purge movies. I've seen every single one.

[Paul Rudd]

I just saw Hokum.

[Jake]

Me, too. It's amazing. I thought it was very scary.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

You want to know what my favorite TV show scary, scary TV show of all time is?

[Paul Rudd]

What?

[Jake]

The Haunting of Hill House.

[Paul Rudd]

I've never seen it.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. It is unbelievable.

[Paul Rudd]

Really?

[Jake]

The director, Mike. Do you know who Mike Flanagan is?

[Paul Rudd]

No.

[Jake]

He does the Haunting of Hill House. The Haunting of Blood Manor, Midnight Mass, which is Also amazing. But the Haunting of Hill House, it was. I was very scared. I was very scared, but it was very moving. And they. Do you listen to Gregory Allen Isklove?

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, yeah, not a lot. I know who he is.

[Jake]

But yeah, they have a great needle drop with him in the final episode. That ties it up. It's just the best show. It is one of the best shows I've ever seen in my life. Life.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay.

[Jake]

You have to watch it if you're down.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, I am. I'm like. I'm not a huge scary.

[Jake]

It's very scary. It's like very scary.

[Paul Rudd]

But, yeah, I was. There was a movie when I was a kid that scared me so much. I say, like, the shiniest, scariest movie that I've ever seen. The scarest movie I've never seen was a movie called Magic. And when I was a kid, I went to a. A movie and they were showing previews, and they showed a preview of this movie, Magic, with Anthony Hopkins, and he's a ventriloquist and he has this dummy. And there was something about the puppet. It was so scary looking to me that I freaked out. I couldn't watch it. And then, like that, like, going home that night, I remember as I had to sleep in my parents room. I was really.

[Jake]

How old were you?

[Paul Rudd]

I was like 30. I was probably. I was probably like, I don't know, like eight or nine or something. Nine maybe. And. And then one time, like a week later, I was up in my parents room. I was watching tv. They were downstairs and a commercial for it came on and I freaked out and I ran downstairs. I'm like, I saw it. I saw it. And. And my dad said, all right, we'll go. Turn the TV off. I'm like, I can't go up there. I couldn't go up there. And he's like, God damn it. And he said he had to get out, go turn the TV off. And it started an evening of complete meltdown because I had a lot of fears when I was young.

[Jake]

Really?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

What else were you scared of?

[Paul Rudd]

I was just scared of this thing was like. I think that the capped it off, though. And then I, like. I think after that, my mom took me to go to talk to a therapist.

[Jake]

Oh, you have great parents.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. But no, I was scared of, like, there was a moment in time when I was, I think, about five. I needed everything taken out of my room because I was just scared of stuff in the dark and I was scared of things on the wall. No.

[Jake]

Okay, sorry. Just wondering.

[Paul Rudd]

No, no, no. I think I just. Yeah, I think I had some. I think I was fearful as a kid. Yeah.

[Jake]

I, I, I also had many fears.

[Paul Rudd]

Really?

[Jake]

I've realized now I have health fears, like my high blood pressure. Today, I'm, like, going to be you. Do you understand? When you, if you ever take a look. Do you have Instagram?

[Paul Rudd]

No.

[Jake]

Okay. If you ever just, like, look at my Instagram later, I'm going to post about my high blood pressure, and it is going to be my bit for the entire week that I have high blood pressure, and my dad is going to call me freaking the fuck out that I have high blood pressure, and it is going to ruin my week.

[Paul Rudd]

Did you have, like, a physical?

[Jake]

And then I had an iv. I got an iv.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay.

[Jake]

Have you ever gotten a night. Like someone's come to you and given you an IV?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, like, like a, like a B12 or something like that. Yeah.

[Jake]

And I've never. Every time. Great, great blood. Great blood pressure. Great blood pressure. Great blood. Hi. It was high.

[Paul Rudd]

Well, this might have been a fluky thing. I don't.

[Jake]

But I haven't drank in a week. It doesn't make sense.

[Paul Rudd]

Did you try and do it again? You've only done it once. Three times. And all three times they said it's high.

[Jake]

It was yellow, as if I had a fever. I was like, what the is going on?

[Paul Rudd]

But three times in the same day.

[Jake]

Yeah, I just, I just literally right before you got here. Oh.

[Paul Rudd]

Like, okay. I don't think you should worry about this. I think you should get. You get a test that again in it.

[Jake]

I'm.

[Paul Rudd]

Are you.

[Jake]

Color me worried.

[Paul Rudd]

You're hypochondriacal?

[Jake]

Yes. Extraordinarily so.

[Paul Rudd]

Always.

[Jake]

Yeah. But it's weird because the other day I saw something leaking out of a plane as I was about to get on it, and I was like, it, like, like one time I was on a plane and they couldn't get it working. And by the third time, they go, there we go. And then they took off. And at that rate, I'm just like, well, if, you know, take me.

[Paul Rudd]

That is so healthy.

[Jake]

I know. But then it's like, high blood pressure will send me into psychosis. Okay. As fans of the show. Is this a good episode?

[Charlie]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Oh, period. She said, yeah. So fast.

[Paul Rudd]

Is it because this is, this is. Honestly, it's my. Because I do worry. Like, I'm like, oh, God, am I just putting everybody to sleep here? No.

[Jake]

How could you ever. You're Paul Rudd.

[Paul Rudd]

I don't think I. I don't think I. I don't think that I'm that engaging in these settings.

[Jake]

That is not true. Self esteem.

[Paul Rudd]

Not really. But I don't think that I'm. I offer too much.

[Jake]

That is not true. You're America's treasure. You are.

[Paul Rudd]

Say you are, Jake.

[Jake]

No. You know, many would disagree with that.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay.

[Jake]

Help. I ended up the salutation of my. What the fuck is a salutation?

[Paul Rudd]

It's the. It's. It's. Oh, it's right.

[Jake]

Right below valedictorian.

[Paul Rudd]

So it's like the penultimate valedictorian.

[Jake]

Yes. You're so smart. You're so smart. I love penultimate episodes. Those are always better than the season finale. Admit they are.

[Paul Rudd]

They are always really setting it up.

[Jake]

The Game of Thrones penultimate episodes. Best of the game. You didn't watch Game of Thrones.

[Paul Rudd]

I didn't.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Help. I ended up the salutatorian of my class and now I have to give a graduation speech. I have no idea what to write about. I don't care about any of these people and have the worst stage. Right. Please give me ideas. So I've actually never heard of a salutatorian giving a graduation speech. Yeah, usually it's the valedictorian and. But I would say I love speechwriting. So if you want to follow up, I will help you write your speech. I love writing speeches. It's my favorite thing to do. When I was in high school, my mom had a printout of my speech next to her computer and she would reference it every time she needed to write something, like a speech.

[Paul Rudd]

That's nice. Did you take speech classes in school?

[Jake]

Just one. And I was just a natural. I was really good at it. It was one of the things I was just like, really good at.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I love giving speeches.

[Paul Rudd]

I could say, do you like giving toasts?

[Jake]

Yes. Oh, my God. In college, I would literally get up and do a toast every five seconds during the pre game. They would get more emotional. The drunker and drunker and drunker and drunker. I got. Are you a toaster?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah. Yeah, I like, like at a. At a somebody's birthday or at a wedding.

[Jake]

Pretend it's my birthday.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. It's my birthday. And Paul wants to make a speech. Everyone sh.

[Paul Rudd]

There are there. I'd like to make a toast to the man of the hour, Jake. Jake occupies a very amazing space, which is he entertains us all. He is so funny. But there's a kindness to Jake. There's an underlying we are simultaneously entertained by him. We laugh at him, but we are laugh at him. No, we are a part of Jake's journey. Jake is inclusive. Jake brings us along. There's not many people that can do that, that can carve out such a specific role with such a, with such a unique and hilarious and opinionated voice. And so I would say all of us, let us raise our glasses to toast our friend. We are continually honored to be a part of your journey. And thank you for bringing us along. I think every one of us is so elated to be here tonight to celebrate you. I've also, I gotta leave by 10.

[Jake]

Cheers. Oh, thank you, guys. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you. My God. Okay, now back, everyone. Please drink, please eat. Have the best night. Like, I, I, I hate hos. Seriously. That was amazing.

[Paul Rudd]

That wasn't amazing.

[Jake]

I thought that was amazing.

[Paul Rudd]

I, it was like, you know what it is? Here's the thing with a toast. And this is the same thing that the penultimate V. Valedictorian needs to know. You need to come. It's like, all right, enough that there's going to be some self deprecation, some laughs. You can go a little far in one direction, but you always bring it back to something heartfelt and always and always. And it's nice if you can kind of start off and be a little abstract and funny or whatever and then bring it back around to like some really, some genuine sincerity. And then on the way out, if you can get one more little kind of treacle cutter little joke in there to enhance the sincerity and not undermine it, then it's a winner.

[Jake]

Well, I think you just won.

[Paul Rudd]

Ah, I'm gonna be thinking of a toast the entire ride home and think, I should have done this.

[Jake]

I should have done this. Really? I thought that was just very beautiful. Well, mostly because it was about me, but I really did think it was beautiful.

[Paul Rudd]

So you, when you were growing up, did your birthdays and your birthday parties were never, you never overlapped Halloween in your birthday? No, never had.

[Jake]

I had a Justin Bieber themed birthday party when I was like not a 10. And then I always had my birthday party at ramen restaurants. I'm actually now thinking about it twice now, maybe three times. I had it at two different ramen restaurants.

[Paul Rudd]

Which ones?

[Jake]

Zudo and Tribeca and Wagamama and Chelsea. Great, great. You like ramen?

[Paul Rudd]

I do. I love Wagamama.

[Jake]

Yeah, Mama's the.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Do you eat it when you film in London ever? Yeah, yeah, it's the shit. Chicken katsu curry fire. Yeah, I don't eat that actually, very often, the chicken katsu curry. But I just know that's what.

[Paul Rudd]

Chicken ramen, straight up.

[Jake]

The spicy. The chili ramen.

[Paul Rudd]

That's pretty good.

[Jake]

The chili ramen is what I go for.

[Paul Rudd]

Yep.

[Jake]

Well, Paul, what did we learn today?

[Paul Rudd]

I learned, like, some good shows on Netflix that I need to watch about murder.

[Jake]

Watch the Haunting of Hill House.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And you. But I. Right now, just for the zeitgeist of it all, should I marry a murderer? You have to.

[Paul Rudd]

This is the thing. A lot of people are watching right now. It's a big. It's a big deal.

[Jake]

It's number one on Netflix.

[Paul Rudd]

Oh, really?

[Jake]

And it's been number one for, like, more than two days. So that's when, you know, like, people are, like. And, like, continuing. Because sometimes there will be a show and it'll be, like, number one, and then it'll fall off.

[Paul Rudd]

I think that what I like about love on the spectrum is it's so opposite all of that. It's just sweet. Sweet.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

People really ride for that show.

[Paul Rudd]

I just think that the. The. It's. Everything is so bleak. I just try and find laughs and. And happiness in every single way. I just want that.

[Jake]

And you bring that to so many people.

[Paul Rudd]

Well, thank you.

[Jake]

It's true.

[Paul Rudd]

I don't know.

[Jake]

Are you mad at taking compliments?

[Paul Rudd]

Well, clearly, I guess.

[Jake]

I. Yeah, I love taking compliments. I. I'm the biggest. I always. I always. I say, I always have a rod out. I'm always fishing.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Yeah. I look so fat today, Louise. No, you look. My face is so saggy today.

[Paul Rudd]

What are you talking about? It's. You look fantastic.

[Jake]

Thank you. See, I'm always fishing, and I always catch a fish. Well, Paul.

[Paul Rudd]

Well, Jake,

[Jake]

thank you for coming on. Therapist.

[Paul Rudd]

Thank you so much.

[Jake]

Did you have fun?

[Paul Rudd]

I did.

[Jake]

Would you do it again?

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah, of course. You mean. Are you asking if I'm gonna double dip like Glen Powell?

[Jake]

Yes, I'm asking if you're gonna double dip like Glen Powell.

[Paul Rudd]

Sure.

[Jake]

Okay. But the next time we do this.

[Paul Rudd]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Because there will be a next time.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay.

[Jake]

In your pub.

[Paul Rudd]

Okay. Wow. You wanna. We're gonna go there. That's gonna happen.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Paul Rudd]

All right.

[Jake]

I don't make plans lightly. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. This isn't a light plan.

[Paul Rudd]

All right.

[Jake]

All right, Paul, do you want to give a little bye bye?