Session 124: Niall Horan

Summary

Therapuss with Jake Shane

Session 124: Niall Horan
Date: June 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively, tongue-in-cheek yet deeply introspective episode, Jake Shane welcomes Niall Horan to the Therapuss "therapist’s chair." The conversation covers Niall’s journey from One Direction to solo stardom, the creative process behind his upcoming album, their relationships with fame and normalcy, food quirks, favorite music, and playful back-and-forth on personal pet peeves, hangovers, and navigating friendships. Audience drama submissions bring some classic "therapy" moments, ensuring a mix of humor and candid talk throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking the Ice: Nervousness, Netflix, and True Crime

• Niall admits nerves, feeling pressure to be funny around Jake.
  • “I get nervous for these things… I have to try and like, step up the game here.” (02:36, Niall)
• Netflix banter — Niall is looking for Wuthering Heights, unsure who wrote it.
  • “What's the book? There was a book of Wuthering Heights. Who wrote it? …I have no idea.” (04:22, Niall)
• Both bond over loving “true crime” documentaries, especially The Jinx.
  • “It's the best true crime documentary ever.” (06:08, Niall)
  • “They were like, how did you guys … is this legal that you guys kept this from the authorities in order to create good television?” (05:43, Jake)

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2. Life as a Musician: Album Cycles, Touring, and Creativity

• Niall describes the difference between quiet studio periods and the intensity of promo/tour cycles.
  • “When you hand the album over … it’s promotional back to back to back… just trying to get your brain switched on again.” (06:30, Niall)
• Insights into songwriting for groups vs. solo:
  • “When you've got, like, five different personalities… that's what was so good, that we actually were able to combine in that way… feels like a jam.” (28:38, Niall)
  • “I just like… writing with the boys because it felt like a jam. Like a high school band…” (29:13, Niall)

Notable Moment

• Revealing Night Changes originated with Jamie Scott, with One Direction members shaping verses.
  • “Original idea came from Jamie Scott…” (29:36, Niall)
  • “It’s probably the best song.” (29:54, Niall)

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3. Golf, Ireland, and Living Abroad

• Niall’s lifelong love of golf — started at 7 or 8, importance to Irish culture.
  • “The great thing about golf is you never actually get good at it. Except Tiger Woods.” (07:51, Niall)
• Reflections on home:
  • “When you’re a kid you’re like, I can’t wait to get out of here... then the older you get, you’re like, actually, no, I just want to go home.” (09:19, Niall)
• Jake shares perennial restlessness:
  • “I’m always unhappy.” (10:32, Jake)

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4. Nostalgia, Boy Bands, and K-pop Comparisons

• Discussing One Direction’s early days, Jake’s failed attempts to see them live, and Bat Mitzvah gigs.

  • “You performed at my friend’s Bat Mitzvah.” (12:06, Jake)
  • “That is the most random thing of all time.” (12:10, Niall)

• Comparing K-pop to One Direction:

  • “The K-pop thing is … more structured, but they look like athletes… honestly, I have no idea how to do anything you’re doing… it’s amazing." (13:19, Niall)

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5. Food, Culture, and “Picky Bits”

• First experience with Poppy soda for Niall (“You took my Poppy virginity!” (16:20, Jake))
• "Picky bits" – British/Irish term for snack platters.
  • “If you’re going into the store… Picky bits. Just… trying to get a few picky bits.” (17:07, Niall)
• Dissecting Irish food, stew vs. gumbo, and the breakfast divide:
  • “Sweet with the savory thing at breakfast in America is one of the most dumbfounding things of all time.” (41:26, Niall)
  • On black pudding: “Apparently made out of pig’s blood, and it’s stunning. It’s beautiful.” (41:50, Niall)

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6. Friendship, Parties, and the “Irish Goodbye”

• Niall and Jake differ on post-dinner socializing; both admit to sneaking out.
  • “I have to leave … I gotta get out of here.” (50:03, Jake)
  • “Sometimes, I try and convince everyone we should all leave… gently complaining until people agree.” (49:17, Niall)

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7. The Tucker Segment: Friendship and Sally’s Origins

• Surprise phone calls to mutual friend Tucker (classic podcast chaos as he doesn’t pick up at first).
  • Tucker, on picking up for Jake: “Welcome to Hollywood, brother… You gotta climb the ropes, man.” (54:24, Tucker)
• The origin of “Sally”:
  • “It was Finn… this little boy in Austin, Texas.” (55:05, Tucker)

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8. Audience “Therapuss” (Advice) Segment

• Falling for your best friend’s boyfriend:

  • “It would be atrocious.” (56:41, Jake)
  • “My prescription: stop. Maybe find dick elsewhere.” (56:44, Jake)
  • “I would watch, like, the ‘Scandal’ episodes of Vanderpump Rules.” (56:57, Jake)
  • “I would prescribe that scene in Euphoria.” (57:41, Jake)

• Messy post-breakup roommate:

  • “Bit of both (support & tough love).” (58:39, Niall)
  • “Thank U, Next by Ariana Grande start to finish, great breakup album.” (59:00, Jake)

• Hangover antics:

  • “Hangovers when you get to a certain age are dreadful... For me, it’s not day one, it’s day two.” (60:04 & 60:28, Niall)
  • “Being hungover is awesome... eating, sleeping, whatever.” (60:36, Jake & Niall)
  • “My dream hangover day: 11am McDonald's…” (60:41, Niall)

• Driving anxiety:

  • “Don’t drive.” (66:19, Niall)

• Embracing life after college & disliking a job:

  • “How do you live in the now?... I have this constant thing where you just take it all in because you never know when it’s gonna go away.” (68:33–68:39, Niall)

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9. Songwriting, One Direction Memories, and the New Album

• Story of My Life music video:

  • “We’d flip the beds up against the wall to create soundproofing in every hotel…” (32:26, Niall)

• Creative process behind Dinner Party and its inspiration from meeting his girlfriend at an actual dinner party.

  • “All of the little bits in between: the doubts and the fear of losing that person… are probably the four pillars of the album.” (34:27, Niall)
  • On specificity in lyrics:
    • “I write in detail … because there’s nothing worse than listening to music you can’t connect to the lyric at all…” (35:07, Niall)
    • “Trying to get your point across and making it universal to the listener…” (35:36, Niall)

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10. Musical Influences and All-Time Favorite Songs

• Niall loves Fleetwood Mac and The Eagles: “If someone said, if you could write a song, what song would you have written? I’d say Dreams.” (38:55, Niall)
• Jake is on a “hardcore” Ariana Grande kick. They discuss favorite breakup albums—Thank U, Next praised for its healing quality.
• Touches on Taylor Swift, The Strokes, Radiohead, and generational music divides.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the creative luck of true crime docs:
  • “You go, you set out to make a documentary, and then it turns into a completely different thing.” —Niall (05:11)
• On golf’s humility:
  • “You hit one bad shot, you say ‘I’m never playing again.’ The next shot … is the best shot ever.” —Niall (08:12)
• On pop group differences:
  • “We didn’t wear all white outfits and do routines … we just kind of walked around … the K-pop thing is more structured, but they look like athletes.” —Niall (13:19)
• On living abroad and missing home:
  • “The older you get, the more you just want to go home.” —Niall (09:19)
• On new album themes:
  • “Love and romance, and then all of the little bits in between, like the doubts and the fear of losing that person…” —Niall (34:27)
• On songwriting for all:
  • “Trying to get your point across and making it universal to the listener so they can attach their own emotion…” —Niall (35:36)
• Dinner party etiquette:
  • “That’s proper Irish goodbye stuff.” —Niall (46:26)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Niall joins & nervous banter: 02:29–03:25
• Netflix & true crime chat: 03:40–05:39
• Album promo & tour-life: 06:29–07:23
• One Direction nostalgia: 11:12–12:30
• K-pop vs. boy bands: 12:32–13:32
• Food & “picky bits”: 16:36–17:32
• Black pudding & breakfast: 41:50–42:10
• Creative process for 1D & solo: 28:38–29:36
• Meeting girlfriend at dinner party: 33:04–34:21
• Favorite songs: 38:55–39:42
• Advice (Tell Me What’s Wrong): 56:00–66:12
• Hangover routines: 60:31–64:07
• Therapuss wrap-up/what they learned: 69:44–70:39

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Tone & Chemistry

This episode brims with irreverence, shared nostalgia, and sharp wit. Niall and Jake have an easy, comedic rapport, trading self-deprecating stories and firing off quips about their own habits and childhoods. Despite the antics, they dig into real issues—artistic authenticity, homesickness, relationship insecurity, and the search for purpose—making for a session as insightful as it is entertaining.

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Final Takeaways

• Niall’s new album, Dinner Party, is shaped by intimacy, vulnerability, and real-life inspiration.
• Behind-the-scenes peeks at boyband life reveal both chaos and camaraderie.
• Comfort (or discomfort!) with life changes—be it moving abroad, dealing with hangovers, or simply leaving a dinner party—is universal.
• The podcast’s audience therapy section is a reminder: everyone’s got their drama.

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“We covered pretty much everything… and I made a new friend today.” (70:44–70:29, Niall & Jake)

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Niall Horan’s album, Dinner Party, out June 5th.

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Transcript

[Jake]

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Hi. This week we have on Niall Horan. We are filming my intro on an iPhone because I do not have camera. I don't have no one here with me. We have no equipment.

We have a phone. In a dream. Take us as we are. Take. Take it or leave it.

I have nothing of substance to tell anyone.

I do. I went to the Box on Saturday and this is honestly pretty crazy. I was chain smoking cigarettes in the club and I needed a lighter and this fabulous girl gave me a lighter. We're at lunch today, I see her and she goes, hi, I gave you a lighter at the Box. Hello. Yeah, hi.

That's kismet. That's kid.

We were meant to be.

I didn't make it out Saturday night.

I will say we were drinking mango margaritas at 7:30. Like that is recipe to be so up. The second I had my first sip of my mango margarita, I knew that I was gonna be disgusting.

I said I. I have to go home. I have to go home. I have to go home. And I went home. I took myself home. Everyone was.

But then I kept calling him being like, hi, are you coming back to the box? He fell asleep and then we go to the box.

I Woke up at 4am and they all came over.

We are literally leaving the lights turned on. It's 4:30. Jake FaceTimes us and we all went to his apartment.

Any who putsies, Jake's going out.

Jake's going away.

Oh, my God. Oh my God.

Huh? Clear your throat for that big announcement.

I am going to Monaco for the Grand Prix this Wednesday. I am so excited and want to

know what he's not doing bringing me. And I'm the biggest F1 fan ever. Have been for three years.

I do not have plus one. It is me, Stas, Alex and Stella

and that's my dream.

Yeah, it's gonna be really fun.

You guys are gonna have so much fun. Lando Norris, that's who I like.

I know, I know. All right, give it up for Niall Horan. Hi, pussies. Wel to therapists. Tonight we have on Niall Horan.

[Niall Horan]

Hello.

[Jake]

Hi.

[Niall Horan]

How's it Going. I like this.

[Jake]

We were kind of kicking it back there for a minute before.

[Niall Horan]

Funny.

[Jake]

Talking about a lot.

[Niall Horan]

You are hilarious. Oh, my God, I get nervous for these things.

[Jake]

Do you really?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, because I'm like, all right, he's really funny. So I have to try and, like, step up the game here.

[Jake]

But you think I'm funny.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, hilarious.

[Jake]

Really?

[Niall Horan]

I even like.

[Jake]

No, he was laughing at you guys. He was laughing pretty hard. Like, I kept. I was like, oh, and that one hit, too, and it kept hitting and I was like, oh, all right.

[Niall Horan]

You must get that a lot.

[Jake]

Yeah. Well, no, no, actually, people say the opposite.

[Niall Horan]

Really?

[Jake]

Some people do, yeah.

[Niall Horan]

Why? Why are they so mean spirited?

[Jake]

Oh, you know what? Why?

[Niall Horan]

I. You know, I am one of those people, though, that this is not. Because. Right. I'm not saying I'm doing this to you, but I am one of those people that will, like, if someone says something and it might not hit to the room, I'll just laugh to make them feel better. I didn't do that to you. A caveat.

[Jake]

You swear?

[Niall Horan]

I swear.

[Jake]

On what?

[Niall Horan]

My granny.

[Jake]

Wow. She alive?

[Niall Horan]

Yes.

[Jake]

Okay, this is going well.

[Niall Horan]

Okay, so I love your setup.

[Jake]

You like? Yeah, yeah, it's great.

[Niall Horan]

Obviously, on camera, on. On YouTube and stuff, so. But.

[Jake]

Oh, yes. Well, we're on Netflix now.

[Niall Horan]

I actually was scrolling through Netflix last night and it's. No, I seen you come up and you swear. You were looking all studly and.

[Jake]

Yeah, yeah, I was. My hands hurt. It was the whole thing. What were you looking for on Netflix? What are you watching right now?

[Niall Horan]

What was I trying to watch? I know we were looking for. We didn't know where Wuthering Heights was.

[Jake]

Is it out yet on streamers?

[Niall Horan]

I was trying to find it.

[Jake]

I haven't seen it yet.

[Niall Horan]

No, my. My girlfriend's. What? I went to see it last week and she said it was the best. And everyone's. It's like a 50, 50 divided, divisive movie. Right?

[Jake]

Oh, is that true?

[Niall Horan]

Because all the people are saying that it's nothing like the books.

[Jake]

What's the book? There was a book of Wuthering Heights. Who wrote it?

[Niall Horan]

I have no idea. Why? You're asking the wrong guy.

[Jake]

Wrong time. Who?

[Niall Horan]

I'm not even sure.

[Jake]

You know what. And it doesn't really matter.

[Niall Horan]

No, it kind of doesn't. Okay. But that's what I was looking for. I was looking to find that and I ended up falling asleep five minutes into it, so I didn't even see the film.

[Jake]

Oh, okay.

[Niall Horan]

So that was a Waste of.

[Jake]

Do you watch a lot of movies?

[Niall Horan]

Not a big movie person, actually.

[Jake]

TV guy.

[Niall Horan]

More of a. Like a true crime documentary kind of. Basically, that's it. I don't know. I don't know what that says about me, but, yeah, I do love a true crime duck.

[Jake]

Your favorite true crime doc, the Jinx. I knew you were going to say that. Did you watch it in real time?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, me too. Yeah. And it was a killer because. Well, there we go. But a. Yeah, watching that in real time, waiting for the next episode, was extreme.

[Jake]

Well, there's no better true crime documentary than the. The Jinx. I've never seen a better one.

[Niall Horan]

Well, I just. I can't believe how lucky they got as doc. As documentary makers go, you go, you set out to make a documentary, and then it turns into a completely different thing.

[Jake]

Well, he admitted to the murder.

[Niall Horan]

It was absolutely nuts.

[Jake]

Did you guys watch the drinks? No.

And I've got to watch it.

Well, he admits to the murder at the end of it. Well, why did you just tell me that? It's a thing.

[Niall Horan]

That's it.

[Jake]

Yeah. And it was a big, very. It was very big drama the next week because, remember, like, they were like, did they keep this from the FBI? It was very big drama. Very big.

[Niall Horan]

Was. It was. That was the. The drama onto the documentary makers.

[Jake]

Yeah. They were like, how did you guys. Like, is this legal that you guys kept this from the authorities in order to create good television?

[Niall Horan]

Right. Okay.

[Jake]

Well, I appreciated the good television.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. It was good, though. The whole Beverly Drive thing, when he was writing and they got the spelling wrong. Do you remember that? Where he wrote, like, Beverly Drive, but didn't put in or added an E or something like.

[Jake]

Oh, you're like. You're in. You're in it.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, that was. It was. It's the best true Drew crime documentary ever.

[Jake]

Did you watch Manosphere with Louis the crazy Crazy? I couldn't get five minutes into it because I was high. I said, I can't believe I was watching five minutes. And I said, I can't do this. It's just not my.

[Niall Horan]

But to be fair, I've been right in the thick of all the promotional stuff at the moment, so I haven't seen much.

[Jake]

How's that going?

[Niall Horan]

It's good. Yeah. It's. It's like when you turn off the engines after the end of a tour, it takes a while to start the engine back up a bit because, like, you spend a year in the studio. So I finished the tour in 24 and then end of 24 and then went into the studio, like, start of last year. And he just. Studio is easy. It's just like, you know, writing a few songs, going in, doing a bit, recording, and then when you, you know, when you hand the album over, it's the engines get started and it's like promotional back to back to back. And then, you know that it's inevitably going for a tour. So it's just trying to get. Get your brain switched on again a little bit.

[Jake]

That's okay.

[Niall Horan]

Do I look tired?

[Jake]

No, no. I just feel the way you're describing it, like I. I would crash out.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, no, you're. Well, you're Netflix now, so. Yeah, you're going to be promoting.

[Jake]

I hope so.

[Niall Horan]

But this is your promotion, I guess.

[Jake]

You know, I saw you perform Heaven for the first time ever at the Capitol Showcase.

[Niall Horan]

No way.

[Jake]

Yes. I was there.

[Niall Horan]

My little acoustic.

[Jake]

Yes, yes.

[Niall Horan]

How funny.

[Jake]

I know.

[Niall Horan]

I said, oh, that is crazy.

[Jake]

That was.

[Niall Horan]

When was that? That was like 3 or 20.

[Jake]

23.

[Niall Horan]

Wow. Oh, my God.

[Jake]

So you like to golf?

[Niall Horan]

No, I do like the golf. Yeah.

[Jake]

Like, what's your favorite part about golfing?

[Niall Horan]

I like the challenge. I like the piece.

[Jake]

What's the challenge?

[Niall Horan]

The challenge is just trying to get good at it. And, you know, the. The great thing about golf is you never actually get good at it.

[Jake]

Except Tiger Woods.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Well, there's a few of them that are pretty good. None, but, like, for the most part, I think like 60 million people in the world or something play golf. And I. I'd say, like 1% of them are actually good. So the rest of us just end up suffering. But it's like, you hit one bad shot, you say, I'm never playing again. The next shot you hit is the best shot ever.

[Jake]

What makes a good shot?

[Niall Horan]

I don't know. The quality of the strike when the club hits the ball, the flight path where it lands, obviously, because it needs to get closer to the hole. And, yeah, the good shots make you like, all right, I want to play more.

[Jake]

And how long have you been doing this?

[Niall Horan]

I've been doing it since. For too long. I've been playing since I was like, seven or eight.

[Jake]

What?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I did not know golf was a thing in Ireland.

[Niall Horan]

It's one of the homes of golf. Yeah.

[Jake]

Well,

[Niall Horan]

no, it's like Ireland, and the game was originated in Scotland, obviously. Ireland's very close, and we have amazing golf courses, and people from all over the world travel to play golf in

[Jake]

Ireland and Scotland and Ireland are like sisters.

[Niall Horan]

We would be. We're we're not that far apart, but we would say that we were. The. The kinds of people were very similar.

[Jake]

Got it.

[Niall Horan]

Like, the Scottish and the Irish are very, very similar.

[Jake]

Do you miss Ireland?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, yeah, I. I like. I feel like the. You know when you're a kid and you're like, I can't wait to get out of here.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

Like, I. I'm. I'm for the bigger world and then the older you get, you're like, actually, no, I'm. I just want to go home.

[Jake]

Right.

[Niall Horan]

So I. I try and get home, like maybe three or four times a year, but I just. With the way work is, I just need to be.

[Jake]

That's a lot.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, and. Yeah, I suppose it is, but not. Not for. It's only ever for a couple of days here and there. I. I need to be like. I need to be in LA a lot. I need to be in New York a lot. I need to be in London, so. And I've lived in London for 16 years or something. Have you spent any time in London?

[Jake]

I love London. Yeah, I think it's great. I have never spent, like, a quality amount of time there, though.

[Niall Horan]

You'd love it if you, like, you're from New York and do you like. Do you still, like. When you go to New York, are you still like, this is. I miss this place, or.

[Jake]

It depends how I feel. I think I have a mood disorder. So it really depends how I feel. Like, when I'm in New York, I miss la. When I'm in la, I miss New York. Right now I miss London, right. Because I was just back from New York, so I don't miss New York, but I don't want to be in la. So right now I miss. I. Oh, I'm always unhappy.

[Niall Horan]

Really?

[Jake]

Yeah, I'm always unhappy.

[Niall Horan]

You like to complain?

[Jake]

Do I like to complain?

[Niall Horan]

Do you like to complain how this started? Do I like to. But, yeah.

[Jake]

What. What do you mean?

[Niall Horan]

Well, I kind of like, I'm more of a complainer to. To try and be funny. Like, there's a comedian in the UK called Carol Pilkington, and his whole bit is just that he just has this deadpan, moany face and, like, just complains about absolutely everything, but probably means none of it.

[Jake]

At the end of the day, I sit down, I smoke a joint, and I'm like, oh, God, it wasn't that serious. Like, it really wasn't that serious. I think what it is is I'm bored.

[Niall Horan]

Really.

[Jake]

I'm very bored.

[Niall Horan]

Why you bored? You've got the biggest podcast of the planet now. Shut up.

[Jake]

You know. You know, one of my biggest temper tantrums when I was a child ever, ever was when I was trying to get tickets to a One Direction concert, and I was on Ticketmaster and they sold out. And so that was the day discovered what StubHub was, where tickets are 10x the price. And I'm.

[Niall Horan]

What did you do?

[Jake]

My mom was like, it's okay, Jake. We can get them on StubHub. And I said, no, but the tickets I want, you won't get for me now because they're so expensive. And I. That I wasn't allowed to see One Direction ever.

[Niall Horan]

You've never actually seen it?

[Jake]

No, I've never. Never.

[Niall Horan]

Where were you trying to go? MetLife or something?

[Jake]

It was the tour you guys did after your first album.

[Niall Horan]

All right, so the amphitheater thing.

[Jake]

And you guys performed at my friend's Bat Mitzvah.

[Niall Horan]

What?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

Where?

[Jake]

London.

[Niall Horan]

I know the one, because I think we only ever performed at one. That is the most random thing of all time.

[Jake]

Yeah. Did you guys have fun?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. I'd never been out about Bat Mitzvah, funnily enough.

[Jake]

No. She said she's like, we got so lucky. We got him right before.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Literally, as we came off the show, we did, like, a run of, like, club shows and, like, one Bat Mitzvah.

[Jake]

Do you relate to K pop groups?

[Niall Horan]

Do I relate to them?

[Jake]

Like, when you see, like, how K pop groups are formulated, are you like, omg. Like, I feel that, like, that's what we went through on.

[Niall Horan]

I don't know. I. Well, none of our bit was, like, super choreographed or right or anything like that. So they're very different. Each generation seems like it's got, like, boy bands, but they're all kind of different to each other. Like, we didn't wear all white outfits and do routines and things like, say, NSYNC or Backstreet did or whatever. We can. We just kind of walked around.

[Jake]

It worked.

[Niall Horan]

It worked. We walked around that stage. And the K pop thing is kind of, I guess, more structured or very structured, but, like, they look like athletes.

[Jake]

They are.

[Niall Horan]

Like, when you watch BTS dance, you're

[Jake]

like, can't take your eyes off of them.

[Niall Horan]

You're like, honestly, I have no idea how to do anything you're doing, but it's kind of crazy what you're doing. Like, it's. It's pretty intense, but it's amazing.

[Jake]

You. You. So you like documentaries?

[Niall Horan]

Love them.

[Jake]

I'm watching coffee. I'M watching. I'm watching the Cat's Eye documentary, right?

[Niall Horan]

I haven't seen it.

[Jake]

It's very interesting.

[Niall Horan]

Really?

[Jake]

It's very interesting.

[Niall Horan]

Why? What's going on?

[Jake]

Like, it's. It's a really insane boot camp that they went through.

[Niall Horan]

Sorry, is this product placement, or can I drink this?

[Jake]

No, drink it. You know who drinks that?

[Niall Horan]

Who?

[Jake]

Do you remember the guy who did so you, like, online? Oh, there was this guy that did the most insane morning routine, and he went, like, super viral. And he had, like, 10 Saratoga waters a day. And, like, his. His teeth? No, but it was like, 402. Like, does anyone. Ashton Hall.

[Niall Horan]

I need to, like, dip his face in the Saratoga water.

[Jake]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He would pour the Saratoga water in, and. And that's how I know what Saratoga is.

[Tucker]

But it was.

[Jake]

It's worked. It's great. Is that your favorite water?

[Niall Horan]

No, I just seen it there, and I was. I actually thought it would have been product placement as part of the. Part of the Netflix deal.

[Jake]

But I'll tell you what, is product placement, actually. Is this Poppy? Is this a product placement?

[Niall Horan]

Poppy? What's poppy?

[Jake]

What?

[Niall Horan]

Please don't. Don't shame me.

[Jake]

But you're lying, though.

[Niall Horan]

I live under a rock. I'm not gonna like.

[Jake]

But you've. No. Acquired by Pepsi for $2 billion.

[Niall Horan]

Wow. I love poppy. I love poppy so much.

[Jake]

I'm just saying, like, you've never had a puppy ever in your life? Never. Never.

[Niall Horan]

No. You're gonna let me have one or.

[Jake]

Oh, okay. You like Shirley Temple? Wait. Oh, my God. I've never met someone that's never had a poppy before.

[Niall Horan]

Really?

[Jake]

Ever.

[Niall Horan]

Okay, so I definitely live.

[Jake]

Bring out the flavors. Bring out the flavors. Bring them out. Oh, my God, I'm so excited for you.

[Niall Horan]

I'm gonna have a Super bowl commercial.

[Jake]

I did.

[Niall Horan]

Did you?

[Jake]

For Poppy?

[Niall Horan]

No, you did not.

[Jake]

Yes, I did.

[Niall Horan]

Next year, me and you.

[Jake]

Yeah. Don't play with me. I'm serious. I'll pitch it tomorrow.

[Niall Horan]

Imagine. I've never even tasted this, and I've already given myself a Super bowl commercial.

[Jake]

Okay, so. Okay, give me, give me, give me, give me, give me. Okay, so I have a Shirley right here.

[Niall Horan]

What is it, like a fruity sparkly?

[Jake]

It's a better for you soda.

[Niall Horan]

This is the launch of the new product. Is that the Christmas version?

[Jake]

This is the Christmas version. It's called Cranberry Fizz.

[Niall Horan]

Right? I can try that.

[Jake]

This is Shirley Temple.

[Niall Horan]

Shirley Temple.

[Jake]

And this is Strawberry Lemon.

[Niall Horan]

Can I try the Cranberry Fizz? Please.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

Okay. Thanks. Poppy are having a great time now.

[Jake]

It's pretty amazing. They sell this only during Christmas.

[Niall Horan]

Imagine if they sold it year round with like.

[Jake]

They can't because it's so popular.

[Niall Horan]

It's a better for you soft drink.

[Jake]

You like it?

[Niall Horan]

Prebiotics. Oh, yeah. I forgot to tell you if I liked it or not. Let me check again.

[Jake]

You can be honest.

[Niall Horan]

I actually do.

[Jake]

Yeah. It's amazing, right?

[Niall Horan]

We've got Saratoga and Poppy well covered now.

[Jake]

I can't believe I just took your Poppy virginity. I'm really shocked. I've really never met somebody that hasn't tried one.

[Niall Horan]

I swear I've never even heard of it.

[Jake]

So you. You don't leave the house much?

[Niall Horan]

No, not really. No. No. Is it. Has it made it over to the uk? Because that's even more embarrass. Is global. All right.

[Jake]

We're global.

[Niall Horan]

We're going global, baby.

[Jake]

I love the. Well, okay. You know what I love about the uk? What? That. That store. Marks and Spencers.

[Niall Horan]

Yes.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

We were only talking about this yesterday.

[Jake]

What's your favorite thing to get from there, food wise?

[Niall Horan]

They do like a che. Like a piece of cheese, long kind of rectangular piece of cheese wrapped in like serrano ham or something like that. And they also do these like cherry. Again, chorizo wrapped in cheese wrapped in chorizo as well.

[Jake]

That's like right up her alley.

[Niall Horan]

Oh, yeah, they do like, she loves like meat sticks. We call it like picky bits. So if you're going into like into the store and there's like a. Picky bits. Yeah, picky bits. Just like. I'm not having a full meal here. I'm just trying to get a few picky bits. You know, pick a little. We call them picky bits.

[Jake]

Oh, I've never heard that. Is that like an Irish thing?

[Niall Horan]

No, I feel like it's just like. I don't. I actually don't even know what it is. Maybe I just made it up.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. So it's snacks. Yeah, it's.

[Jake]

It's a piggyback.

[Niall Horan]

I would think snack is like sweet or like chips or something like that. I would think when I think snacks, I think something like that. In America, it's a completely different thing.

[Jake]

Right.

[Niall Horan]

Where I'm thinking savory, like cheese wrapped in ham.

[Jake]

What's your favorite Irish food?

[Niall Horan]

Favorite Irish food.

[Jake]

I don't really know what they're known for.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, either do I. I know my whole upbringing was like meat and potatoes. It was very, like, very like. We do A stew. We read like a. I love stew. Good, good Irish stew. Like, with, like, piece of beef or lamb.

[Jake]

Like beef stroganoff?

[Niall Horan]

Not really. More like gravy esque.

[Jake]

Like gumbo?

[Niall Horan]

Not like gumbo. I suppose the Irish version of gumbo. Gumbo is not great. Now, there's a few. There's quite a few things in this country I can't wrap my head around.

[Jake]

You don't like gumbo?

[Niall Horan]

No.

[Jake]

You know, one time I had gumbo four times in 24 hours.

[Niall Horan]

Really? Where were you?

[Jake]

Nola.

[Niall Horan]

Hi.

[Jake]

I. Nope.

[Niall Horan]

No.

[Jake]

No, I wasn't. How sad is. I wasn't even smoking at the time. And I had it for breakfast, I had it for lunch, I had it for dinner, and I had it three times in one day. And then the next morning I was like, well, I can't leave without having it one more time. And I had it again. It's my favorite food in the entire world.

[Niall Horan]

Really?

[Jake]

Yes. What do you not like about.

[Niall Horan]

What does it consist of again?

[Jake]

It's, like, thick.

[Niall Horan]

It's like a chowder. No.

[Jake]

Yeah. And like, there's sausage. I don't really fuck with it. When there's, like, crawfish or shrimp, I like just, like sausage and chicken and over a bed of jasmine rice.

[Niall Horan]

You can have it with rice. Oh, maybe I'm thinking of the wrong thing.

[Jake]

What are you thinking of?

[Niall Horan]

I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking of. I thought we were. I thought it was in the chowder world, like a. Is it not like a. Like a.

[Jake]

It is.

[Niall Horan]

What's the creamier chowder?

[Jake]

Clam chowder?

[Niall Horan]

New England. Is it?

[Jake]

Yeah. New England. Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

I thought it was more of a New England chowdery type thing that had some weird, weird stuff in.

[Jake]

That is what it is.

[Niall Horan]

All right, maybe I do like.

[Jake]

But it's, like, red.

[Niall Horan]

Maybe I love it.

[Jake]

No, it doesn't sound. You're backpedaling. You're back pedaling.

[Niall Horan]

I've done well on this so far.

[Jake]

I'm happy.

[Niall Horan]

Any endorsement coming my way? Now I'm gonna have a. Yeah, well,

[Jake]

we're doing a Super bowl commercial for Poppy together.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Here we go.

[Jake]

What are you therapist about today?

[Niall Horan]

Therapist about today?

[Jake]

Yeah. It doesn't seem like much. You seem pretty jolly.

[Niall Horan]

No, I'm a pretty. I'm pretty chill, to be honest with you. What pisses me off today, that's the trap. LA traffic is a disaster.

[Jake]

What'd you listen to on the way over here?

[Niall Horan]

What was I listening to? We actually went in silence for Once, really? We. We usually listen to music all the time, but you know, when you're in the car so much and you just, like, all right. Could do it a half an hour with it. Just quiet. I know that's not the great answer, but that's the truth. We actually just sat there.

[Jake]

And you were angry about your journey to come see me today?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jake]

Are you?

[Niall Horan]

I take it all back. I'm having a great time.

[Jake]

I'm having a great time, too.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, absolutely. We just covered the whole world.

[Jake]

We really did.

[Niall Horan]

We've covered everything. We haven't even started.

[Jake]

Is Ed Sheeran's song Castle on a Hill about Ireland?

[Niall Horan]

No. I love how you pivot from question. It's cracking me up. I know it's not. It's about a castle in his village. I will tell you this. We went to his wedding, and he got married near his. Where? The village where he. He's from brought up and then lives in now. And Sam Smith and I drove down and we stayed in. We stayed in, like, a. A hotel above a pub in the middle of this village. Very cute, quintessentially English village. And the two of us were getting into the car, and we looked up and there was this big castle on the hill. And we had a whole revelation that that's the castle on the hill.

[Jake]

Oh, it's real.

[Niall Horan]

Oh, it's real. When I was six years old, broke my leg. Yeah. You know the Castle on the Hill? Yeah. And we were like, that's the castle.

[Jake]

Is there a place to roll down the hill?

[Niall Horan]

I think so.

[Jake]

Yeah. Where he broke his leg.

[Niall Horan]

He broke his leg when he's six years old.

[Jake]

It really is.

[Niall Horan]

With his brothers and his friends. Yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

Is that your favorite Ed Sheeran song?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, I do love it.

[Jake]

Yeah, I love that one, too. I think that's my favorite.

[Niall Horan]

What other songs do you like about Sharon's Tenor Life? C Love, Tenerife. See, we have the same taste in Ed Sheeran.

[Jake]

Yeah. I think I said it wrong, though.

[Niall Horan]

What did you say?

[Jake]

Tenor Life.

[Niall Horan]

Tenor Life.

[Jake]

Tenerife Supermarket. Flowers always heads.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. See, like, you like the earlier edge here and stuff.

[Jake]

I love. You know what I actually really like Eyes Closed.

[Niall Horan]

Good tune.

[Jake]

Really good one. And I really like. What? Old phone. Have you heard Old Phone? Great, great. I'm pretty sure you were in some of the promo for that.

[Niall Horan]

It was. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. When he pulled that photo out, I was like, jesus. Because that was probably the last period where he had his phone. And we were in Vegas that Was him. When I think about that night, it was the most ran. I think I was there for, like, my. It was either because I went, like, three years in a row. I went for my 21st, my 22nd for some weird reason. And then we went back. Maybe it was around one of the Billboard Awards or something like that. And we're in a nightclub, and I think. I don't know who's dj. Maybe it was like Diplo or chain smokers or something like that. But the. I was up on all of a sudden. Got so drunk that I was up on the dj. But this. This is the least me thing of all time. Up on a DJ booth with, like, expensive bottles of champagne with Edge here, and Ed's got, like, a cigarette hanging out of his mouth, and we're spraying the crowd with champagne, and Lil Jon is just on the microphone going, like, making Little John type noises, right? And I was just like. It was the most sobering thing. I was drunk. And then all of a sudden I was like, what the fuck is going on?

[Jake]

Right?

[Niall Horan]

Got the Chainsmokers, DJ in here playing EDM bangers. You got Ed Sheeran, Lil Jon and me up on the fucking DJ booth spraying people with champagne. It sounds like the start of a joke, but was it like, Horn and Little John walk into a bar.

[Jake]

What happens?

[Niall Horan]

What happens? Apparently that did you.

[Jake]

Was it sobering in the sense that you were like, oh, I don't. I'm having anxiety. Or was it sobering in the sense of, like, wow, my life is so fun and cool.

[Niall Horan]

Fun and cool and like, why am I here? Like, what? Like, this is nuts. And I've. Obviously, I'd known Ed for a long time, but the whole fact that we were up there with Little John and just a nightclub in Vegas just feels so far removed from my upbringing and the way I generally live my life.

[Jake]

Right.

[Niall Horan]

I was just up there going, this is crazy. But, yeah, I don't know if it's. That's not the first chapter of my book, by the way. I can tell better stories than that, but it is pretty nuts.

[Jake]

Do you remember, like, feeling that way when you were doing X Factor? Or do you. Or were you so in it that after is when it all hit?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, I think it, Like, I've just been. I'm one of those people that I'm just happy to be there. Yeah. Like, I was just the whole time. I never really, like, took it serious, but I wasn't like, trying to be super serious. I was trying to enjoy. I've always tried to enjoy like every single thing that I do and just kind of take things with a pinch of salt and let it all kind of just go on by. Yeah, we. I think my whole career I've just been walking around just going, this is wild. And how the hell did I ever get to this point? Which makes it more fun and interesting, I suppose, instead of just been walking around going, yeah, I'm meant to be here. And I also think, like, there is a part to play with the. The Irish upbringing of like, I'm sure yours is kind of similar in New York. We're kind of. We're a bit hardier and you're not allowed kind of get above your station.

[Jake]

What do you mean by that?

[Niall Horan]

Like, if you get anywhere ahead of yourself, there's always something humbled. Yeah, you get humbled, you don't get to. You don't get along. To act like a people will get you, put you back in your place.

[Jake]

Do you remember a time that that happened to you?

[Niall Horan]

Not necessarily, because I think it's just in my. In my bones to not you humble yourself kind of. Yeah. I'm sure there are like, day to day things like we were talking about where you complain about the most minimal stuff and then go. You look at yourself and you go, what the was I doing? Yeah. So I. By the way, wow.

[Jake]

Right.

[Niall Horan]

Cuz I'm not like a. I'm not like a soft drink person, right. I drink like 4 or 5 liters of water a day.

[Jake]

Do you really?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Oh, I need to get on that 4 or 5L. Are you okay?

[Niall Horan]

That's where I got the bags under my eyes from drinking 4L of water.

[Jake]

You actually don't have bags under your eyes, but they're.

[Niall Horan]

I got these like, you know, the crow's feet. What's it, you know, these things.

[Jake]

Do you get Botox ever?

[Niall Horan]

No. Never?

[Jake]

Never.

[Niall Horan]

I don't think I will either.

[Jake]

I got Botox the other day.

[Niall Horan]

Did you go like this?

[Jake]

No, it's not. It's in my neck, so I can't. Like, I can't. That's the farthest I can do it.

[Niall Horan]

Why'd you get in your neck?

[Jake]

Because Louise brought me to get an Aqua Gold facial.

[Niall Horan]

Right.

[Jake]

And so I was like, what is this? And they were like, we're injecting Botox into your face for clear skin. So it's not like, mm. I was like, you know, I've really been interested in masseter Botox. Master Botox is the one in your jaw.

[Niall Horan]

Right.

[Jake]

And they were like, oh, yeah, we have that. And I was like, really? And they were like, yeah, do you want it? And I was like, yeah, I guess it was Louisa's friend from college did the injecting.

[Niall Horan]

And was this your first time having both?

[Jake]

Oh, yeah. It's like getting a spray tan. You ever got a spray tan?

[Niall Horan]

Years ago. Did it for. For the X Factor one time, actually, funnily enough. We got like the whole holes down. Oh, my God.

[Jake]

You guys got spray tan.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. You don't see the color of us?

[Jake]

No, I did.

[Niall Horan]

On the tv.

[Jake]

I did. I did.

[Niall Horan]

You're like, you're sure?

[Jake]

I know. What. What episode was it for?

[Niall Horan]

Finale, I think at the very start, maybe. And then we just kept getting topped up, so it got more. More sand every week.

[Jake]

Do you have a favorite One Direction song?

[Niall Horan]

Do I have a favorite One Direction song? I have loads of favorite One Direction songs. I love Fireproof.

[Jake]

Great one.

[Niall Horan]

So you're a big 1D fan?

[Jake]

Yes. Yes, it was. I was trying to make it my first concert and my mom and I got into a really big fight and I couldn't go. I was really upset.

[Niall Horan]

How old are you?

[Jake]

Guess.

[Niall Horan]

26?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Niall Horan]

Did I get that right?

[Jake]

Yes, you did.

[Niall Horan]

Fuck off.

[Jake]

Swear.

[Niall Horan]

I nailed it. So you were so. You know, if I start naming deep cuts, you're gonna know.

[Jake]

Yes, Diana.

[Niall Horan]

Right? Okay. All right.

[Jake]

You know I know.

[Niall Horan]

Okay. That's because that's deep.

[Jake]

Yeah. I was on Limewire.

[Niall Horan]

Are you?

[Jake]

Yes. In the computer lab at school. I was really tapped in. I was really, really, really tapped in.

[Niall Horan]

So when you were meant to be doing work in the computer lab, I

[Jake]

mean, I was like in sixth grade, so, like, what work could I have been doing? But yes, I was very tapped in. It was right when everything took off. Obviously. Night Changes is my favorite one.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, Night Changes is probably the best song song. If you were to, like, break down how to write the. You know.

[Jake]

You wrote that? No. You guys all partook in writing that?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

What do you find most different about writing for a group versus writing for yourself?

[Niall Horan]

Well, you've got complete lyrical. Say what you want. Same with the music side of things. Because when you've got like four or five, you know, you've got five different personalities trying to, like, pitch in with their, you know, their mu. Their music taste their what you want to say and what you don't want to say. The sound of the record, you know, that's. That's what was so good, that we actually were able to combine in that way. I just. I Like doing the. Because when I pick up a guitar, I naturally do something. So, you know, if it's for me, I find it very easy to just go, here it is. This is what I want to say. This is how it's going to sound. Two very different things, but both as enjoyable. I just, like. I used to just love writing with the boys because it felt like a jam. It felt like a. Like a high school band type thing where we were all just sitting around shouting lyrics at each other and melodies and ideas and things, and it worked.

[Jake]

How did Night Changes come about? Do you remember who had the original idea for that?

[Niall Horan]

Well, the original idea came from a guy called Jamie Scott who also wrote. Also wrote Story of My Life. He, John Ryan and Julian Bonetta. They had this basic idea and then we come in and like, started writing the verses and stuff with them. But yeah, that is such good. Like, it's. It's probably the best song.

[Jake]

Or One Thing.

[Niall Horan]

What do you like one? Oh, you're early. Early.

[Jake]

One Thing was always my favorite. Over. I loved what makes you beautiful, but one thing really did it for me, the music video. What was the music video again? You were all like.

[Niall Horan]

It was in London.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

Kind of going around the city.

[Jake]

It was. You were on a. A bus, weren't you?

[Niall Horan]

So then we were in a park, which I actually ended up living around the corner from. And anytime I'd go and get my coffee, I'd be like, there's the.

[Jake]

That's where you found them.

[Niall Horan]

We were on Trafalgar Square playing the song.

[Jake]

And did you film those videos before everything took off? Those videos are what made you guys take off besides being on X Factor, right?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, no, we. When do we. So we finished the show in December 2010 and then just like went straight to the studio. We were in Sweden a lot, basically spending as much time as we could there with like, Rami Yakub and Savin Katecha and Carl Falk, these big writers. And they. They brought what makes you beautiful to the table. And then we just started. We filmed the video at Malibu for that. And then we. What was second then? One thing was second, maybe. Yeah, yeah, you tell me. I know it's been a while. And then we just shoot two videos as you go. But they were always really good. The videos like fire.

[Jake]

Story of my Life video Fire.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, the ideas were always, like, amazing.

[Jake]

Did you guys have, like, creative input into that or were you just pitched ideas?

[Niall Horan]

A lot of the time you would get pitched an idea for a music video anyway. Unless you had something really profound. But the, the Story of my life one kind of was like a conversation between us and Ben Winston, the, the director. And yeah, we were like, pick. We. You know, you get the gut the, the guts of an idea and then start like breaking it down. But yeah, the Story of My life video is such a, such a good concept first, especially for a song for called Story of My Life. But yeah, what are my other favorites? I like Fireproof. I like, I like Stockholm Syndrome.

[Jake]

Of course.

[Niall Horan]

I like. I think Story of My Life is one of my favorites too. I like. Have you ever heard of a song called Never Enough?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Niall Horan]

Has loads of trumpets on it.

[Jake]

What's my. I need my phone. There's not. It's not Diana. It's not Midnight Memories, but it's on the Midnight Memories album. All right, I'll tell you right now.

[Niall Horan]

My favorite Diana.

[Jake]

Best song ever.

[Niall Horan]

Best song ever? Yeah.

[Jake]

Cuz it's the best song ever.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, it is. I remember hearing that song for the first time and it was so different than anything that was out there at the time.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

I remember hearing it straight away and I was like, oh, now this is good. I, I remember recording. I remember because we did. We used to record all the time on the road. So it was like literally in hotel rooms with mattresses. We flip the beds up against the wall to create like soundproofing in every hotel on the planet really. And we would just like make the albums and come off stage, record vocals, do vocals in the afternoon.

[Jake]

You worked. You worked and you, you didn't do that for this upcoming album.

[Niall Horan]

No.

[Jake]

You got off tour.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jake]

And so when did this dinner party take place? Because this album, you. The concept is you met your now girlfriend at a dinner party.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

That you hosted.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Cuz you don't leave the house.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Niall Horan]

About five and a bit years ago. And yeah, it was just literally was having some friends over and a friend of mine was there and he was a mutual friend, turns out to my now girlfriend. And we were just having a few drinks, eating, whatever, and then he was like, do you mind if a friend of mine comes over with a friend of hers? And then we got chatting, she came in, I offered her a drink, we got chatting and then that's it.

[Jake]

And now you're together and that's it. Is she like so like flattered that you've made this whole album about her?

[Niall Horan]

It's funny because like when you get asked in an interview, what's the song about? It's obviously about my, my Girlfriend.

[Jake]

Right.

[Niall Horan]

You know, meet my girlfriend at a dinner party. But the whole. My whole last album is about her as well. Really. I just didn't get questioned on it.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Niall Horan]

As much. We do live like a. Quite Like a. Under. Under a rock type life. We, like, live quite a private life outside of. But now that the album is. Dinner parties come out and people are talking about it. You know, I am talking about it a lot more, but we generally do live quite a private life.

[Jake]

What are you most excited for people to experience on the album? Like.

[Niall Horan]

No, I think it's an album of, like, yeah. Love and romance. And then all of the little bits in between, like the doubts and the. The fear of losing that person are like the 10 ways I can this up. You know what I mean? I've got a song for each of them. And also, like, the. The fun, small moments and. Yeah, fear, loss, fear of loss, loss, romance, love are probably the. The four pillars of the album. And, like, I just want, like. Like I do with all of my songs because I. I write in detail to a point, because I think there's nothing worse than listening to.

[Jake]

To.

[Niall Horan]

To music that you can't connect to the lyric at all. You're like, I can see what they're trying to get at, but I wasn't there. I don't understand what happened.

[Jake]

You think the more specific you get, the more specific it becomes to someone else's life because, like, they're narrowing and on that feeling.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Well, yeah, it comes very specific to my life if I write very specific lyrics about the color of the walls and the. We were at that dinner in this restaurant and that street and the. You know, that kind of stuff.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

Trying to get your point across and making it universal to the listener so they can attach their own emotion, like, and how that attached a story in their life to that song. Like, all of the best songs of all time. Like, we don't know what goes on in Adele's life.

[Jake]

Right.

[Niall Horan]

But. Because we can connect to the songs because she's just laid it out and told, you know, she's made it relatable to everybody.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

Do you know what I mean?

[Jake]

Adele's so good.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. She's ridiculous.

[Jake]

She's so good. Someone. What is it? Someone like you best. One of the best breakup songs of all time.

[Niall Horan]

I mean, and she has this. She's this knack to be, like, you feel angry for her.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

Or with her.

[Jake]

Yeah. Or you feel like you are her. Do you know what I mean? You see yourself in her. That's all. That's all great songs.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, exactly. And like the. But yeah, the best songs kind of you can attach to.

[Jake]

What's your favorite song of all time? Top three.

[Niall Horan]

I mean, Bridge Rover. Troubled Waters is genius.

[Jake]

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[Niall Horan]

I love Fleetwood Mac. If I. If someone said, if you could write a song, what song would you have written? And I'd say Dreams because it feels like the stuff I love to play. Like, if I was to pick up a guitar, I would strum in that pattern. I would, you know, because of Fleetwood Mac. And I think dreams is like, encapsulates all of that. So I would say Dreams or Desperado by the Eagles.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah. I read that you loved the Eagles.

[Niall Horan]

I love the Eagles.

[Jake]

So you're like in. Listen to older music.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, I. I grew up on like, 70s, like rock and roll from Laurel Canyon, all of that. Fleetwood Mack, the Eagles, Crosby, Stills and Nash and all the Doobie Brothers and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. So I have a. I have an old, older taste of music.

[Jake]

Mine is more new.

[Niall Horan]

Really. Why are you listening to, like, right now?

[Jake]

I'm on a really big Ariana kick. Really, really big. Like hardcore. Like. Thank you. Next era.

[Niall Horan]

Right. Okay.

[Jake]

I think it's the. The pro. Like one of the best breakup albums of all time. Have you ever listened to it front to back?

[Niall Horan]

No, I haven't actually. I would. You probably listen to the singles.

[Jake]

Well, you're in love, so I don't know if you'll, like, relate to it, but like, Louise and I are not.

[Niall Horan]

All right.

[Jake]

And so we listen to. Thank you. Next. Front to back. On our drive back from Boston.

[Niall Horan]

And I drove back from Boston.

[Jake]

What? Yeah, we were. Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

Oh. To New York.

[Jake]

To New York. But you know, I did. I. I used to take road trips to LA from New York with my dad and my brother when I was a kid. Really? Yes. You've done that multiple, Multiple, multiple times.

[Niall Horan]

How long does that take? Five days, non stop.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

Would you stay, like at night time?

[Jake]

We would stay at like just. We would take the mid. The midwestern route is the fastest. Wherever hotel my dad picked.

[Niall Horan]

That is crazy.

[Jake]

I loved an Embassy Suites.

[Niall Horan]

Really? Yeah.

[Jake]

They had the best breakfast.

[Niall Horan]

They had the best practice buffet or

[Jake]

a la carte buff buffet.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And. And they had a really good waffle machine.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And at the Embassy Suites, they. If you Stayed at a good one. They had a glass elevator class elevator. And I loved.

[Niall Horan]

I love the way we, like, walk through the door and be like, glass elevator.

[Jake]

Yeah. And that was like, my favorite thing. One time we had to move hotels in the middle of the night because there was bedbugs.

[Niall Horan]

Really?

[Jake]

That was.

[Niall Horan]

You know what we talk about? Embassy suites. Oh, yeah. I remember staying in a. In a Holiday Inn and went to see my cousins in Boston one time, and they had a waffle machine. I'd never had one. I've never had waffles in my life. They're like, sweet breakfasts are not a thing.

[Jake]

I don't like sweets. So, like, that's why I think I'd like Ireland.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, we don't like this. The sweet with the savory thing at breakfast in America is one of the most dumbfounding things of all time. I remember seeing the waffle machine for the first time. Be like, what?

[Jake]

It's pretty electric.

[Niall Horan]

This is nuts.

[Jake]

Yeah. And it beeps, flip. And then you pop it out. It's awesome.

[Niall Horan]

Beep, flip.

[Jake]

Yes. So do you have beans for breakfast a lot in Ireland?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Yeah. Beans. Yeah, Beans, sausages, bacon, love sausage, bean sausages, bacon, mushroom, hash brown. We have this thing called black pudding, which is apparently made out of pig's blood, and it's stunning. It's beautiful. Maybe you need to have a full. Go to Ireland or London or. And have a full English or Irish breakfast.

[Jake]

I've seen the black pudding and I've strayed.

[Niall Horan]

Right.

[Jake]

No, no, sell me on it. Like I sold you on Poppy.

[Niall Horan]

How was your super bowl commercial, by the way?

[Jake]

It was great. It was just. It was very exciting. Sometimes, I mean, you know, like, things happen and you're like, I can't believe this is happening.

[Niall Horan]

We did a Super Bowl. A Super. Super Bowl. Super bowl commercial years ago with Drew Brees, who's a player who played for the New Orleans team. Saints.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

And it was for Pepsi.

[Jake]

Iconic.

[Niall Horan]

And we were. I was just like, I don't know anything about American football really, at this point. NFL or what do you call it?

[Jake]

Football.

[Niall Horan]

Don't know much about football at all. But I know who Drew Brees is, and I know what Pepsi is, and I know exactly what the super bowl is. And I knew what a Super bowl commercial was, of course. And I just remember being like, all right, this is. This is some big time stuff. So I'm happy for you for getting your puppy commercial.

[Jake]

Thank you. Really? It was. And I just did another one.

[Niall Horan]

Did you?

[Jake]

I'll show it to you after.

[Niall Horan]

Oh, really?

[Jake]

Yeah, it was really cool.

[Niall Horan]

Oh, my God. We're getting all of the T I worked with.

[Jake]

Have you ever worked with Dave Myers?

[Niall Horan]

Oh, I have never, but I'm obviously.

[Jake]

He's awesome. He directed it.

[Niall Horan]

Really? Yeah, I feel like it. For what? For this?

[Jake]

Yeah. And I made him. Cuz he directed the music video for Taylor Swift's Me and have. Have you ever seen the Miss Americana documentary?

[Niall Horan]

Yep.

[Jake]

Okay. You know when she's like, looking at the monitor and she's having a conversation with Dave Myers and they just like have a back and forth. I made him recreate that.

[Niall Horan]

No, you didn't.

[Jake]

Yeah, I did.

[Niall Horan]

I love that song, by the way. Me, Miss Americana.

[Jake]

Oh, best.

[Niall Horan]

That might be her best one.

[Jake]

Really? You think? Is that your favorite?

[Niall Horan]

The melody in it is so good.

[Tucker]

She's.

[Jake]

Oh, she's a master at melodies.

[Niall Horan]

And me. Me's a good song too, but I love. I love that line. Play stupid games, you in stupid present.

[Jake]

It's you and me.

[Niall Horan]

That's my whole world. Okay, that one Banger. That banger.

[Jake]

But I remember what it has my favorite song of all time. Have you ever heard the Archer?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, the Archer too. Yeah.

[Jake]

Let's talk about favorite songs of all time. That Someday by the Strokes.

[Niall Horan]

Are you gonna go and see the Strokes?

[Jake]

Why, yes, I am.

[Niall Horan]

At Coachella.

[Jake]

I am.

[Niall Horan]

I think this comes out after Coachella.

[Jake]

It does.

[Niall Horan]

How was the Strokes?

[Jake]

I think it was good.

[Niall Horan]

I can't remember it, but every time.

[Jake]

I'm always at a music festival and the Strokes are always there, and I always am there for their first half of their show, and then my friend makes me leave, and I always miss Someday Such a chair. And Someday's like my favorite song of all time.

[Niall Horan]

There's. And you're a New Yorker, so you get it. The Strokes are just. The Strokes are so. Have inspired so well. They're so New York, but they've inspired so many. But like any sort of rock music from around that time since, it's just because of the Strokes, really.

[Jake]

Like, you know what I just got into just now? Like, never heard them before a day in my life. Besides one song, it's like offensive. Radiohead.

[Niall Horan]

What? Only just got in.

[Jake]

Just got in.

[Niall Horan]

To be fair, I didn't know what Poppy was before this.

[Jake]

And then I called Louise and I said, have you ever heard Radiohead? And she said, yes, she said, because she was very depressed in high school.

[Niall Horan]

I mean, he's a genius. Tom York,

[Jake]

what's the worst dinner party You've ever been to or ever hosted.

[Niall Horan]

Oh, dinner parties are to be.

[Jake]

I can't with dinner parties.

[Niall Horan]

Really. They're only a new thing for me. I feel like you. Like, before, like, I met my girlfriend, the thoughts of. Of the thoughts of having people around was.

[Jake]

No, it's just miserable.

[Niall Horan]

But now that I'm getting older and I have a dog in a house, like you slowly do. You're 20. What do we say? Right? We got to 26. Okay.

[Jake]

But my thing is with dinner parties is, like, I'm in and out of a meal. So, like, I would go to dinner after. And I kind of like. The one luxury I really, like, allowed myself to indulge in was just getting up and leaving dinner.

[Niall Horan]

Oh, really? What? I'm leaving everyone behind.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Niall Horan]

That's some diva shit.

[Jake]

And what?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Are you serious?

[Niall Horan]

I'm going.

[Jake]

Are you serious?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. You can't do that. That's proper Irish goodbye stuff. Huh?

[Jake]

What? I didn't think that that was rude. I was like, we've all had a long day. I've been on stage for a few hours. I gotta go.

[Niall Horan]

To be fair enough, if we're at home, I will sometimes just, like, pick. I'm finished. First I'll pick up my plate.

[Jake]

And, like, that is not the same

[Niall Horan]

thing, but, like, leaving a restaurant and leaving everyone behind.

[Jake]

Well, I would pick one person to bring with you.

[Niall Horan]

I'd say, you have to come with me.

[Jake]

I would say, louise, let's go.

[Niall Horan]

Right?

[Jake]

Or I'd say, manny, let's go.

[Niall Horan]

And then Louise, because she works with you, has to fucking stand up and go, all right, I will. No, Sometimes, even though I want to stay.

[Jake]

No, sometimes. Sometimes she'll be like, I'm staying. And then I'll say, okay, so, Manny, come on.

[Niall Horan]

That's so good.

[Jake]

But Manny's always. But the thing about Manny is Manny's man.

[Niall Horan]

I feel like I know Mommy.

[Jake]

Why do you say that? Manny, come here right now. Okay, you want to know why you feel like you may know Manny? Because this. This is Manny and you.

[Niall Horan]

Holy. I imagine I zoomed in myself first just to see how bad it was that year. Which one? Oh, there she is. That's the girl I met outside. Oh, my God. Where's that? Manny First Stadium.

[Jake]

What's in la.

[Niall Horan]

Oh, my God.

[Jake]

But that's why you feel like you know Manny, right?

[Niall Horan]

Okay. That's why I know.

[Jake]

And that is why I hate dinner parties.

[Niall Horan]

So you. So you just go, come on, Manny, we're going. And that's it. And Then everyone just left.

[Jake]

No. Yeah. And you. Here's.

[Niall Horan]

Have you picked up the bill at this point?

[Jake]

I pick up the bill every time.

[Niall Horan]

Right. Okay. Okay. So at least you paid so people can't go. Why does he leave all the time?

[Jake]

Well, here's my thing. I know that they've doubt now dealt with me the entire day. I know it's not that serious. If I get up and leave, they like, I like. I'm sure they don't need. They. Right.

[Niall Horan]

You want me to say.

[Jake]

I mean, that's a rock and a hard place.

[Niall Horan]

Right?

[Jake]

Like, you know, they. They're definitely down for like a. Like, you know, like, he's gone. Like.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, yeah. We don't need to, like, we had enough.

[Jake]

We've had enough.

[Niall Horan]

Right.

[Jake]

Especially my, you know, if. Do you have a good tour manager?

[Niall Horan]

Yes. Paul. He's out there. Right. Okay. Yeah, yeah, no, we. I stick around. I don't know. You can't just be. Unless I've got. Unless we have like, work early the next morning. I love to stick around.

[Jake]

You do?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

My thing is, I just. I'm like, ah. Like, I don't know how to describe it. I just. I have to leave. Well, you're claustrophobic, aren't you?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. What do you get a bit, like, icy?

[Jake]

I just get like, hot. I get hot and I get like. I'm like, oh, my God, look, I need to like, go get naked and be in bed.

[Niall Horan]

No, what I'll do is I'll try and convince everyone that we should all leave.

[Jake]

Oh, no, I leave.

[Niall Horan]

No, I like. Because I actually really don't like sitting there for, you know, when you've had dinner and then the conversation then starts when the dinner's finished. You know what I mean? And then you're sitting around for ages and you'd have another few drinks and talk crap and like, in a. In a public setting. I hate. I just have to, like, once we've eaten, if you're full. All right. That's why we came here.

[Jake]

Let's go.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

So we are aligned.

[Niall Horan]

Kinda. But I'll do more. Like, does anyone not just, like, think that we should just, you know, like, we've done, you know, I'll do a lot of that kind of complainy.

[Jake]

I'm learning a lot about you.

[Niall Horan]

I'll do a lot of complaining to the point where people go, yeah, you know what? He might be right. Let's go. You know. Right. I said instead of just getting up and leaving.

[Jake]

My saying is, I gotta get out of here.

[Niall Horan]

I gotta get out of here.

[Jake]

That's what I say every time. I gotta get out of here. And we get up, I get up with Manny.

[Niall Horan]

Yep.

[Jake]

And we leave. But what I was saying was Manny and I are like soul sister twin flames in the sense that like, we're always happy to be together. Like it really is always just the two of us. Very many. I do have to bring up our mutual friend Tucker.

[Niall Horan]

Tucker. Oh, what a legend. He's such a nice guy. That's how I first seen Therapist was when he was on it years ago.

[Jake]

Really?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. When was that? A couple years ago.

[Jake]

Yeah, it was like two years ago.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. So I watched. But yeah, he, he. We went to his gig in, in London, which actually near. Was near my house. And Lewis Capaldi had done Sally the night before. And then I did Sally. And Sally happens way too late in the gig because by the time I got on stage, I was hammered.

[Jake]

I wonder how he came up with that.

[Niall Horan]

I don't know. Have you ever been Sally?

[Jake]

Are you lying?

[Niall Horan]

Is this a no.

[Jake]

What?

[Niall Horan]

I live under a rock. Am I missing something?

[Jake]

I just wonder how he came up with it.

[Niall Horan]

Oh my God. It was you that started Sally. Oh, fuck.

[Jake]

No, it's okay.

[Niall Horan]

Oh my God.

[Jake]

No one knows. Oh, you.

[Niall Horan]

When you said I wonder how he.

[Jake]

No one knows. No one knows. I was talking to Shabuzi the other night. It's like, how do you come up with that? He was like, I really don't know. This went on for like a solid 10 minutes because he does not tell anyone.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, but it happens. Sally's too late in the set because I, by the time I got there, like, I was like. I think it was like a, like a Tuesday night or something and you know, school night. And I was just like bananas drunk, cuz I just was like drinking throughout the gig and then all of a sudden it was like, Sally, start. And I was like, oh, now I have to go out here and pretend.

[Jake]

Do you seem like the most fun drunk ever?

[Niall Horan]

Really?

[Jake]

Do you think I want to drink with you?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. All right. We should definitely go for a drink.

[Jake]

You want to go for a drink?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Like not right now obviously, but like 100% we should.

[Jake]

Well, we live close by somewhat.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, we'll get, we'll get, we'll get the gang together and see. But yeah, Tucker, I really enjoyed, enjoyed him. He's such a nice fella. He. Then we, we made him. We took him out the stage door of the concert. Oh yeah, that's what it was. Lewis came back the second night, because I was doing it. So he came to, went to two of Tucker shows, and we had a few drinks in the bar afterwards, and then we took Tucker out the backstage door. The fans were kind of in a different spot, and we took him around and then forced him to get on a bus after, like, a red bus in London. After the show, we went straight back to my house and I have a bar in my bit in my basement.

[Jake]

I've heard.

[Niall Horan]

And yeah, we had a you. And then all of a sudden, you look at the clock and it's four in the morning tomorrow. But he. He's not a big boozer, though.

[Jake]

Should we call him?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, let's call Tucker. So hold on. You need to tell me that the original. Do you know what you should do? Call Tucker and make him tell the original Sally story.

[Jake]

Yeah. See if he says you're a fan.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Does he know you're here?

[Niall Horan]

No.

[Jake]

I can't tell if I want you to call him or if I should call him.

[Niall Horan]

You do it. You're best friends with him. Well,

[Jake]

Your call has been

[Niall Horan]

best friends forever. We're trying again. Your call has been. Oh, even faster. Wow, that Sally didn't go well, did it?

[Jake]

You call him now.

[Niall Horan]

All right, Well, he just probably knows when you call him because you probably text him and he just knows that if you're calling them, it's.

[Jake]

We talk all the time.

[Niall Horan]

Right, but if. Do you call him when you're talking? See, he knows you're doing a podcast with someone.

[Jake]

Oh, that's the British Ring, ring.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Wow.

[Tucker]

Hello, sir.

[Niall Horan]

Hello, Tucker.

[Tucker]

Is this a test?

[Jake]

It's actually rude, though. I think you're actually rude.

[Tucker]

Isn't that cool, man? That's Hollywood, man. I took him for now hard enough.

[Niall Horan]

I love that part.

[Jake]

But you declined it. Like you actually actively pressed. No.

[Tucker]

Welcome to Hollywood, brother. I think you've got more followers than you. Therefore, I pick up for when he calls.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, see, that's Hollywood. That's some star shit.

[Jake]

That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Tucker]

You gotta climb the ropes, man.

[Niall Horan]

He's actually. He's genuinely, like, visibly vexed.

[Jake]

Yeah, I'm upset.

[Niall Horan]

We were trying, you know, we were trying to get to the bottom of Tucker. We were trying to get to the bottom of. Who is the original Sally? Was it Finn? Was it Finn or was it Jake?

[Tucker]

It was Finn. It was this little boy in Austin, Texas, and it was his birthday and it was him.

[Niall Horan]

Okay.

[Tucker]

God bless him, he started it.

[Niall Horan]

Okay. Jake is sitting here with a very sour face. Seems to believe I know what to

[Jake]

say to you right now. Honestly, Tucker.

[Niall Horan]

Right. I think you need.

[Tucker]

Yeah, he might not have his vape on him, so if you give him

[Niall Horan]

a vape like a dummy.

[Jake]

You know, I have been thinking about it, now that you mention it. So

[Tucker]

Jake was the original Sally. Jake was the original Sally. That's all he wants to hear. And it's true.

[Niall Horan]

He just. He needed that because.

[Jake]

We should all go for a drink, huh?

[Tucker]

All right, I gotta go now. You can call me later.

[Niall Horan]

Bye, Tucker. See ya. What's going on here?

[Jake]

They said, tell me what's wrong.

[Niall Horan]

Okay.

[Jake]

So the pussies write in, okay? And they tell us what's wrong, and we give them advice.

[Niall Horan]

Okay.

[Jake]

And then we prescribe them a remedy.

[Niall Horan]

We prescribe them, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Ooh.

[Jake]

And they can get messy. Case in point. I'm falling in love with my best friend's boyfriend.

[Niall Horan]

Ooh.

[Jake]

I know, I know, I know. He's just so sweet and takes care of both of us. And he's always around because we live together. And he's alluded to that he thinks I'm pretty a couple of times. I would never do that to my best friend. But their relationship is seemingly coming to its end. Maybe. They're always fighting, and I'm wondering how bad it would be to start talking to him after. It would be atrocious.

[Niall Horan]

So what's your prescription?

[Jake]

Stop.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, stop.

[Jake]

I would prescribe maybe Finding Dick elsewhere.

[Niall Horan]

Okay. Okay. That's your prescription?

[Jake]

I don't know. Yeah, that's really bad.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, I don't think you can do it.

[Jake]

I would watch, like, maybe the Scandal episodes of Vanderpump Rules.

[Niall Horan]

Euphoria, right?

[Jake]

Do you watch Euphoria?

[Niall Horan]

No, I've never actually watched Euphoria. I need to watch that, actually.

[Jake]

It's really good. It's giving Euphoria.

[Niall Horan]

Right. Okay.

[Jake]

And there's a scene in Euphoria. You won't know what I'm talking about, but maybe this person will, where Maddie looks at Cassie because Cassie is hooking up with Nate. Sorry, spoiler Al. And. And Maddie. Cassie's, like, so depressed, I forget what happens. But, like, she's, like, so down bad about Nate. And this is after she already is with him, after Maddie breaks up with him. And Maddie looks at her and goes, I hope you enjoy it. This is your life now. Oh, and I would prescribe that scene of Euphoria.

[Niall Horan]

Right? Oh, there you go. That's the prescription.

[Jake]

Right? And it's a good one too, at

[Niall Horan]

that that scene of Euphoria. I need to watch Euphoria to be fair.

[Jake]

Do you. Do you watch any scripted television?

[Niall Horan]

Do you have a life?

[Jake]

No, you. You do, but I'm wondering if you watch, like. Do you watch, like. I'm wondering if we have watched similar shows.

[Niall Horan]

I like Peaky Blinders. Have you ever watched.

[Jake]

No, I haven't, but that checks out for you.

[Niall Horan]

What else do I like? Oh, I like White Lotus.

[Jake]

Of course.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Love that show. That's probably one of my favorites. I can't think on the spot. I hit. Been put on the spot.

[Jake]

Okay. I'm so sorry.

[Niall Horan]

Move on.

[Jake]

Okay. My roommate got broken up with and is taking it very hard. I was there for her and supported her for the first couple of days, but it's been like three or four weeks and she's still, like, moping, leaving shit everywhere, being messy, crying loudly, never doing anything with me, etc. Do I continue to support her or is it time for some tough love?

[Niall Horan]

Oh, bit of both. Yeah.

[Jake]

Bit of both.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Thank you. Next by Ariana.

[Niall Horan]

So she's. She's. She's continuing to support currently. Is that what she says?

[Jake]

She just needs to be like, I understand you're sad, but it's been four weeks. Like, I would watch Legally Blonde because, you know, in this opening scene of Legally Blonde, she's, like, so depressed. Mopey, mopey, mopey. And, like, she finds a passion.

[Niall Horan]

Right.

[Jake]

So just encourage your friend to find a new passion.

[Niall Horan]

Correct. I think it depends how long the relationship was too.

[Jake]

Yeah. Sometimes we miss context here.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, that's what we're into.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

No, if the relationship is long, four weeks is not a lot.

[Jake]

Yeah. Well, you know, people say that you grieve double the amount of time you were.

[Tucker]

Or.

[Jake]

What is it? You grieve half the time.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, it's. I know what you mean.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

What's your prescription?

[Jake]

It's. Thank you. Next by Arnie Grande. Start to finish, right? Start to finish. It's a better freak album.

[Niall Horan]

Bit of tough love.

[Jake]

That or I would say Back to Black. It's a great breakup album, which it is, but it's more like. That'll encourage her mopiness.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jake]

You know, because, like, that's just it. Like, Ariana gets over the break. I Woke up at 4am on the concrete outside of a strip club last weekend with literally no idea how I got there. I talked to my friends afterwards, and they were telling me. I told them I was going home and gotten an Uber help. This is crazy. Behavior and I need to know if that's bad enough to seek help. I will say it's an isolated incident

[Niall Horan]

and sent in by Jake.

[Jake]

And it is just a time of reflection. It's a time of reflection where you're like, wow, I should not be drinking the way I'm drinking.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, no, the, the, the hangovers. Well, I wonder how old this person is. But the hangovers when you get to a certain age are dreadful.

[Jake]

It's not even.

[Niall Horan]

So they're actually scary when my hangovers

[Jake]

now are, are more so. Mental. Yeah, Physical. I can, I can cure that. The mental gymnastics I do each morning after waking up of going out and drinking is just, you know what?

[Niall Horan]

For me, it's not day one, it's day two.

[Jake]

Really? Why?

[Niall Horan]

Day one is just like, I'm actually happy that sometimes being hungover is kind of.

[Jake]

Being hungover is awesome.

[Niall Horan]

It's great. Like eating, sleeping, whenever.

[Jake]

What's your dream?

[Niall Horan]

Hangover Day 11am McDonald's, when the main menu starts. Not the breakfast menu.

[Jake]

You. Wow.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Sometimes you're sat there.

[Jake]

McDonald's doesn't serve regular food 24 7. I thought there was the. There were. That was their whole bet.

[Niall Horan]

No, I think they don't start the main menu until 11 o', clock, which is you have to wait. So.

[Jake]

Are you sure?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm right.

[Jake]

Wow.

[Niall Horan]

I don't think so. Is that not true? Yeah, I think they do. It's only the breakfast menu that has an isolated time for it.

[Jake]

So you've been. I think they've been snack wraps at like nine.

[Niall Horan]

Well, maybe it's a new Breeds thing then. Yeah, maybe.

[Jake]

Maybe.

[Niall Horan]

Maybe it's a Uber. It could be a new Breeds thing. Totally.

[Jake]

Okay, so you, so you, 11:00am you

[Niall Horan]

order McDonald's 11:00am So I can't sleep once I've had a drink, whether I've gone to bed at 2am or 11pm, I'm waking up at 7 or 8 and one of those people that thinks I have to get up and do something and then wait for 11, order McDonald's, then have a nap between, you know, 12 and three or four, get back up for first dinner. Call it first dinner.

[Jake]

Dinner number one.

[Niall Horan]

Dinner number one usually. Maybe another type of burger. Maybe like a Chick Fil A or something like that, or some sort of like a sandwich from somewhere. Like a parm sandwich.

[Jake]

How do you maintain your figure?

[Niall Horan]

Well, I recently gave up the booze for six weeks.

[Jake]

Oh, you look amazing.

[Niall Horan]

What's four kilograms? It's like eight pounds.

[Jake]

You gave up alcohol and lost eight pounds.

[Niall Horan]

Anybody know what four kilograms is? 8.8 pounds.

[Jake]

You know, I'm giving up alcohol this month. Okay, okay, continue with your.

[Niall Horan]

We keep shouting at other people. Yeah. Stop drinking for it for six weeks. Eight pounds. Working out and eating well and doing all the things we were talking about. Where were we first? Dinner. Yeah. And then. Then maybe have another nap bed at like 10ish. And then wake up in the horrors the next day.

[Jake]

Okay. You wanna know my dream? Hangover day.

[Niall Horan]

Go on.

[Jake]

I wake up with all my best friends and I know I can't think of anymore and I know. Really. And I know this sounds crazy, but sometimes it's better if we all got into a massive screaming fight the night before because we think it's so funny the following day. Usually my favorite hangover spot in the city is the Beverly Glen Diner.

[Niall Horan]

Or you go out for lunch.

[Jake]

It's nice to just like get out there and feel the sun.

[Niall Horan]

Well, like lunch is in like just pick up a sandwich and.

[Jake]

No, no, sit.

[Niall Horan]

Right. Okay.

[Jake]

And then we sit there and I look at and I say, I need to leave.

[Niall Horan]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Jake]

We need to leave.

[Niall Horan]

Louise.

[Jake]

Lunch. Home.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

TV show.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Scripted.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, scripted. Not non scripted.

[Jake]

Not usually not non scripted. Smoke. Dinner. And then like what would you have for dinner? Like, well, if it's a Sunday, I. I love it. Sushi.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, but sushi on a hangover.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

I know one other person like that. That's great. My tour manager. I think he. I think he's a.

[Jake]

We would get along.

[Niall Horan]

My cousin as well. He. Paul, sushi on a hangover is. I could not like. I love sushi.

[Jake]

Well, it's that. That's why it's for dinner. Or like, or like what else do I. Oh, like an Italian.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Pasta. Yeah. Yeah, I can do it. I can deal with that.

[Jake]

And then. And then. Yeah, I guess you're right. The next day is the day where it's like, what the. I'm like very depressed right now because

[Niall Horan]

you're kind of early morning on the day to hanger, you're still kind of half drunk.

[Jake]

I mean, that's almost better. That's almost better than going out.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

When you wake up and you're still drunk and you're like wandering around and you're like, what is happening? Like one time.

[Niall Horan]

Like, what is happening?

[Jake]

One time my friend Peyton and I, we went to. This was the best hangover day of all time. We went to the Beverly Glenn diner and then we went next door to the Beverly Glenn Pharmacy. And we bought fake babies and we carried the babies around all day. And then we went to Nobu for dinner and got high chairs for the babies and sat and had wine with our babies. And then we also brought the babies to our friends play. And we bought a giant rabbit that's actually in the main house.

[Niall Horan]

And you were hungover doing all of this. I don't think I can move that much.

[Jake]

I get it.

[Niall Horan]

I can walk down the street. I could go and grab a coffee, then regret the coffee because the caffeine's made me more anxious, and then die on the couch for the rest of the evening. I don't know if I could do much.

[Jake]

But isn't that so beautiful that you have someone that you're so in love with that you can, like, do that with?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

How sad to do it alone.

[Niall Horan]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Cheat. And her hangovers are worse than mine, which is I.

[Jake]

Did I do it alone?

[Niall Horan]

You do it alone?

[Jake]

I do it alone.

[Niall Horan]

What about your best friends?

[Jake]

Well, sometimes they're not here.

[Niall Horan]

Right.

[Jake]

And I do it alone. And it's excruciating. It is. You want to know what I do to just get through the day? I get a Benadryl iv.

[Niall Horan]

Benadryl iv?

[Jake]

Yeah. I have someone come over and they give me an IV and they push Benadryl into it and I just sleep.

[Niall Horan]

Wow.

[Jake]

I can't. Are you okay? No.

[Niall Horan]

But at least I give off the vibe.

[Jake]

I am. Yeah. I'm genuinely so bad at driving, I'm wondering if they should take my license or not. I almost crash, like, every time. Sorry, that was all in caps. I'm in the car and it's even worse when it's raining or I'm driving around other people. I'm really insecure about it. But, like, my friends are not wrong to not want to get in the car with me. I'm just a girl. Idk what the damn remedy is because I need to drive to and from work and we don't have a train close enough. I don't drive, so I don't.

[Niall Horan]

I don't even know what the start that was. There was a lot of energy in that.

[Jake]

She's basically like, I have to drive and I'm not good at it, so what do I do?

[Niall Horan]

Don't drive.

[Jake]

But she has to.

[Niall Horan]

She has to drive.

[Jake]

I mean, I don't drive.

[Niall Horan]

Do you know how do you live in LA and not drive?

[Jake]

I Uber.

[Niall Horan]

Oh, my God. Or I. That's one thing you can imagine.

[Jake]

Who drives me Around Louise or Manny.

[Niall Horan]

That's. Yeah, Just don't drive then. Just get. I don't.

[Jake]

There's not much to do.

[Niall Horan]

I don't really know what she.

[Jake]

I would say, like, don't drive your friends, but drive yourself. And just try to stay off your phone. I. I can't imagine driving. It sounds horrible.

[Niall Horan]

I love driving.

[Jake]

Really?

[Niall Horan]

I. I hate. My pet peeve is being in the back of a car.

[Jake]

I just. I'm so jealous that you get to experience the feeling of, like, being alone in a car. Like, you know, like, I. Because I Uber everywhere. I'm always. I've never been alone in a car. So, like, I have never been able to, like, fully, like, sing or fart in a car alone like that. You know what I mean?

[Niall Horan]

Sing an infant. Get a car.

[Jake]

Like, do you know what I mean, though?

[Niall Horan]

That's what you're missing out on because, like.

[Jake]

And even in a Waymo. Like, they're listening. Have you seen the video of the girl in the Waymo, like, singing without her seatbelt? And the girl comes on and says, put on your seatbelt.

[Niall Horan]

Oh. Oh, right.

[Jake]

Yes. Like, they're watching.

[Niall Horan]

Oh, they're definitely watching.

[Jake]

So I've never been alone in the car before. It's horrible. I've never been. I feel like I've never gotten the experience to just like, you need to

[Niall Horan]

learn how to drive.

[Jake]

I know.

[Niall Horan]

You definitely need to do that. Let's get your New York kid. Aren't you.

[Jake]

Yeah. I can't.

[Niall Horan]

Got subway everywhere.

[Jake]

I did. I did. I hate my job and I can never stop thinking about work. I just graduated college and all I want to do is go back to school. How do you embrace the season you are in and look at the bright side as quitting simply isn't an option since I'm lucky to even have a job. Question mark guy. You know, I really missed call. I guess I went to college and I really missed it that first year I graduated. But you have so much life ahead of you. You know what I mean?

[Niall Horan]

Like where. Where did you go to school?

[Jake]

Usc.

[Niall Horan]

Oh, you went. Oh, you came out here for college.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

Right. What did you study?

[Jake]

Public relations.

[Niall Horan]

Did you?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Niall Horan]

Look at you. Relating to the public.

[Jake]

I. You think?

[Niall Horan]

Yeah, for sure. Thank you. No. What was her question again?

[Jake]

How do you live in the now? How do you ever have struggle with that?

[Niall Horan]

Oh, yeah, Because I just like. I have this, like, constant thing where you just take it all in because you never know when it's gonna go away. Yeah. So I'm just Like, you kind of live with that all the time, which is a good way. Good place to be in a way, because it keeps you driven and motivated, I guess.

[Jake]

Like, be like Louise. Like, Louise had the best time in college. She had a friend group called the Peppas.

[Niall Horan]

The Peppers. Did you wear leather jackets with peppers written on the back of it? It's like Grease.

[Jake]

No, but there. There's. It was a group. Are you get this. A group of 20 girls that were all friends. I said. And they never fought. Oh, 21.

28.

28 girls. They'll call the peppers.

[Niall Horan]

There's 28 whole classroom of people.

[Jake]

But Louise is able to lead a beautiful and fulfilling life post college while still reminiscing on college. And I think that's what you need to do. And I'm sure Louise didn't always like your job.

[Niall Horan]

No, not this. Not.

[Jake]

Not this. Okay.

[Niall Horan]

This job I hate.

[Jake]

I'm. Oh, that's it. Did you have fun?

[Niall Horan]

That was so good.

[Jake]

What did we learn today?

[Niall Horan]

We covered pretty much everything. We learned. First of all, we learned that we're getting a super mold commercial again.

[Jake]

With Poppy.

[Niall Horan]

With Poppy.

[Jake]

We learned that the castle on the hill is real.

[Niall Horan]

It's real. He broke his leg. They're only six years old.

[Jake]

We learned that Tucker hates you. Tucker clearly hates me and answers you and not me. Yeah, well, that, like. And that makes sense, but the fact that he. I don't. I can't talk about it. Actually. We need to move on. We learned that

[Niall Horan]

I actually do like gumbo and thought that I hated it.

[Jake]

I don't think. You know what? Gumbo.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah. Either do I. Yeah. No, I still think it's chowder.

[Jake]

I've. I've learned that in Ireland that you guys don't do sweets for breakfast.

[Niall Horan]

No, no, no, no. Not at all.

[Jake]

And I also learned that I've made a new friend today.

[Niall Horan]

You. I agree.

[Jake]

Do you agree?

[Niall Horan]

Should we hug?

[Jake]

I think we should hug.

[Niall Horan]

A beautiful.

[Jake]

I felt that.

[Niall Horan]

It's a new friendship.

[Jake]

It's a new friendship. It's a new friendship. Oh, well, first of all, thank you for coming on the show.

[Niall Horan]

Thanks for having.

[Jake]

I know how busy you are.

[Niall Horan]

Thank you for having me. This is great. I love it. Next time. I can't wait for the next time.

[Jake]

Please.

[Niall Horan]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Dinner party. Your fourth solo album is out June 5th.

[Niall Horan]

Yes.

[Jake]

It's incredible. I got to listen to it early.

[Niall Horan]

Thank you.

[Jake]

It's amazing.

[Niall Horan]

Bye,

[Jake]

Sam.