Session 125: Nicholas Galitzine

Summary

THERAPUSS with Jake Shane
Session 125: Nicholas Galitzine
Date: June 5, 2026

Episode Overview

Jake Shane hosts actor Nicholas Galatzine for an in-depth, tongue-in-cheek therapy session blending humor, cultural critique, personal anecdotes, and genuine introspection. The episode unpacks Nicholas’s career, including his approach to fame, authenticity, imposter syndrome, and his thoughts about pop culture, internet culture, and “relatability” in the media landscape. The conversation is quick, playful, self-aware, and full of mutual ribbing, but it dives into serious questions about ego, ambition, and public persona.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Breaking the Ice: First Podcast Jitters

[00:11–01:12]

• Nicholas reveals this is his first podcast (“It is kind of a new format... only in the last really few years.” – Nicholas, 00:52).
• Jake is excited to have Nicholas as a podcast first-timer and immediately sets a playful, casual tone: “We were just kikiing outside.” (Jake, 00:41).
• They joke about industry norms and how things are always changing, both in podcasts and in film.

Hollywood, Privacy, and Relationships

[01:13–01:48]

• Nicholas discusses accidentally “soft launching” his girlfriend on social media, emphasizing his preference for privacy: “We like to be private. Which... is just easier in this day and age.” (Nicholas, 01:50).
• They compare strategies for digital privacy. Jake admits, “If I have something private to say, I’ll like text it.”

Pop Culture: Social Media Trends

[02:29–03:12]

• Both express dislike for Instagram's new “instance” feature.
• Nicholas: “The level of the content is really just, like, plummeting. Yeah. It's not good.” (03:01)
• Jake: “I just don't care.” (03:01)

Career Highlights: Recent & Upcoming Projects

[03:13–04:11]

• Nicholas discusses filming "Red, White and Royal Blue 2," squeezing in an indie film ("Return of Stanley Atwell" – period, 1950s, heir revealed to be alive), and the "Masters of the Universe" movie.
• Quick, candid banter about returning to work post-strikes and navigating career opportunities.

Red, White & Royal Blue and Pop Culture

[04:23–05:10]

• Title of the sequel: Red, White & Royal Wedding. Nicholas reveals: “Well, that's the... Easter egg you really had to be there for when that first dropped.” (Nicholas, 04:28)
• Jake nerds out about being present for the film’s fandom moments.

Movie Pitch-offs, The Devil Wears Prada Dissection

[05:16–06:25]

• Nicholas prompts Jake for an elevator pitch. They spiral into an extended riff about pop culture literacy (Rocky, Sylvester Stallone vs. Schwarzenegger).
• Jake passionately analyzes The Devil Wears Prada: “Her boyfriend and her ass friends... she couldn't win!” (Jake, 06:08)
• Nicholas voices the dilemma of partners changing: “It's difficult when... you feel like they're changing in front of your eyes and you can't... connect.” (Nicholas, 06:25)

Acting Process, Character Psychology, Sequel Experience

[07:30–08:20]

• Jake asks who leads the fictional relationship in "Red, White & Royal Blue." Nicholas: “I think I do... Alex... is more happy-go-lucky... Henry’s more emotional.”
• Nicholas describes the surreal feeling of returning for a sequel: “It’s the first time I've... gone back to shoot anything... so it’s trippy.” (Nicholas, 08:02)

On Bulking Up for Roles & Physical Transformations

[09:56–11:27]

• Jake brings up Nicholas's body transformation for “Masters of the Universe.”
• Nicholas details a punishing diet: “I was eating like 5,000 calories a day. It was... a sickening amount.” (Nicholas, 10:47)
• Gaining weight and subsequent “cutting” phase led to not recognizing himself at public events: “You just don’t see yourself, which is kind of trippy.” (Nicholas, 10:36)

Libra Traits & Handling Confrontation

[11:32–12:34]

• Jake guesses Nicholas's star sign. Nicholas agrees with the Libra description but adds: “I’m quite... confrontational. I like justice... but I can react in a passionate way... when I feel scorned.” (Nicholas, 12:00–12:34)

Candy Review & Origins of Therapuss

[13:01–14:36]

• Jake makes Nicholas taste his candy creation.
• Jake reveals “Pass That Puss”—his origin reviewing octopus dishes stoned on Instagram—which led circuitously to his current show.

Notable Quote:
“If you told me while I was reviewing octopus that I would end up with a show called Therapuss that somehow made its way onto Netflix... No. That's bizarre.” (Jake, 15:07)

At-Home Hobbies, Music Taste, and “Whittling”

[16:42–18:26]

• Nicholas reveals introverted hobbies: “If I can, like, stay in my house, I will... I whittle wood. Make little chess pieces.” (Nicholas, 16:47–17:01)
• Listening to Bon Iver while whittling; Nicholas’s favorite song: “33 ‘God’... and The Wolves, Act I and II. Really slow.” (17:40–17:56)

Acting Origin Story, Anxiety, Imposter Syndrome

[19:25–22:28]

• Nicholas never planned to be an actor: “I was trying to be a rugby player... then I got really anxious and depressed... auditioned for a play... got scouted.” (Nicholas, 19:56–20:19)
• Nicholas reflects: not going through formal drama school made his path “organic.” He didn’t want it as a lifelong goal—he fell in love with acting after success.
• On imposter syndrome: “Nothing is a given as an actor... the industry can turn around tomorrow...” (Nicholas, 24:33)
• Jake admits the appeal of acting: “When I say something stupid on here, I’m saying it as Jake... But if I do something as a character, it’s different.”

Comedy Acting, Letting Go of Ego

[23:00–25:34]

• Acting in "Bottoms" with Rachel Sennott was a learning experience in comedic risk-taking: “A big thing for me with acting is letting go of the ego around being embarrassed...” (Nicholas, 23:42)
• Nicholas discusses the creativity block that comes from excessive self-doubt and comparison.
• They explore how consistently needing to prove yourself as an actor feeds imposter syndrome.

On Authenticity, Relatability & Social Media Pressures

[27:46–30:13]

• Jake and Nicholas debate whether any actor is ever “entirely confident and authentic.” Timothée Chalamet comes up as a rare exception.
• Nicholas: “People evolve... you’re always you, in different ways.” (Nicholas, 28:12)
• Jake: “I think the reason people gravitate [to Timothée] is because he’s him.” (Jake, 28:05)

Navigating Fame, Online Persona, and Fans’ Expectations

[36:39–39:14]

• Jake reflects on feeling the weight of expectations once his show started selling tickets: “When they bought tickets... I have to put on a good show.”
• Nicholas notes the challenge of “marketing relatability”: “You can’t market that. That’s not how that works.” (Nicholas, 39:05)
• They discuss whether actors are allowed to be openly relatable.

Audience Q&A – “Tell Me What’s Wrong”

[51:46–57:06]

• Jake and Nicholas give advice on friendships, graduating college, toxic roommates, and confrontation.
• On confronting a friend: “Your friends are an extension of you... if they're doing something toxic, it could come back onto you.” (Nicholas, 52:23)

TV & Film Recommendations, “Industry” vs. “Skins”

[54:45–55:26]

• Nicholas recommends “Industry,” calling it his “fucking favorite show.” (Nicholas, 54:48)
• Both agree: “Euphoria” owes much to British teen drama “Skins.”

Pop Culture Deep Dives: Met Gala, Anna Wintour, Fashion, and Branding

[64:14–66:39]

• Nicholas describes Met Gala experiences, being dressed by Fendi and asked by Tom Ford, and meeting Anna Wintour—who praised his work with Anne Hathaway.
• Jake gripes about not having attended the Met yet.

Memorable Moment:
“She [Anna Wintour] shooed her [handler] away and was like, I saw The Idea of You a couple days ago. I love it. Me and my girls saw it.” (Nicholas, 66:05)

Substance Use, Anxiety & Sober Life

[67:09–68:19]

• Nicholas on sobriety: “I don’t drink anymore.”
• Jake discusses weed as his “vice,” reflecting, “I think...in ten years...the word stoner will be used in the same breath as alcoholism.”

Riotous Humor: Cultural Deep Cuts & Social Media Literacy

[69:44–70:51]

• Jake quizzes Nicholas with deep-cut pop culture references (“Who’s your friend?”—Madison Beer meme).
• Nicholas shocks Jake by keeping up: “You are a 31 year old British man. So true. Oh, my god, I have no right to know that.” (Jake & Nicholas, 70:36–70:39)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "If you told me while I was reviewing octopus that I would end up with a show called Therapuss that somehow made its way onto Netflix... No. That's bizarre." – Jake Shane [15:07]
• "Nothing is a given as an actor... the industry can turn around tomorrow... you have to keep proving to people that you have the ability to have these opportunities that can go away at any instant." – Nicholas Galatzine [24:33]
• "People don’t want you to be on, like, the cover of a magazine... they want you to be sharing a part of your life." – Nicholas Galatzine [61:38]
• “She [Anna Wintour] shooed her [handler] away and was like, I saw The Idea of You a couple days ago. I love it. Me and my girls saw it.” – Nicholas Galatzine [66:05]
• “You are so online you see all just like, you know, a God, which you play in your new movie Masters of the Universe...” – Jake Shane [71:05]

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Timestamps – Important Segments

• [00:52] Nicholas reveals this is his first podcast
• [01:44] Discussing social media privacy and hard-launching a girlfriend
• [03:35] Red, White & Royal Blue 2 filming and indie project details
• [06:08] Devil Wears Prada and villains: friendship advice
• [10:05] Nicholas on bulking up for He-Man
• [11:32] Libra personality traits analysis
• [13:01] Jake’s “passion for octopus” segment
• [16:47] Nicholas whittles wood, listens to Bon Iver
• [19:56] Rugby injury to acting: Nicholas’s career origin story
• [23:42] Letting go of ego, acting in "Bottoms"
• [27:46] Imposter syndrome in the industry
• [36:39] Nicholas on relatability and fame
• [51:46] Audience “Tell Me What’s Wrong” questions/advice
• [54:48] Nicholas loves “Industry” TV show
• [66:05] Anna Wintour recognizes Nicholas at the Met Gala
• [67:09] Discussion on sobriety and substances
• [70:36] Nicholas keeps up with youth internet culture

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Tone, Language, and Dynamic

Throughout, the conversation is fast, playful, self-effacing, and alternates between self-mockery, earnest exchange, and pop culture nerd-outs. Jake is irreverent and honest, while Nicholas matches his candor, revealing vulnerability, self-deprecation, and an unexpectedly deep knowledge of “extremely online” culture.

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Final Takeaways

The episode delivers a highly entertaining, honest, and revealing look at Nicholas Galatzine as an actor and individual, blending Hollywood and internet sensibilities with therapist-style check-ins and practical advice. The rapport between Nicholas and Jake is genuine, yielding insights on navigating fame, authenticity, and the reality of maintaining a public persona in the digital age.

End Note:
The mutual promise of following each other on Instagram and whittling wood together perfectly captures the episode’s blend of modern friendship, vulnerability, and running pop culture jokes.

Transcript

[A]

Are we starting?

[B]

Honestly? You can. Yeah, we're all rolling. Start. Be kind of fun.

[A]

Okay. Okay, bye. I've never done this. No one's never not been in the room before.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

Like there's always Nolan and Louise there.

[B]

Wow. So we're like pioneering right now?

[A]

I guess.

[B]

Well, this is my first podcast ever, so.

[A]

You're lying. Are you serious? You just got me so excited.

[B]

So. So I don't know if I'm gonna be any good at the format or not.

[A]

Wait, I think you'll be great. We were just kikiing outside.

[B]

Okay. We were kikiing.

[A]

Yes, yes, we were. This is your first podcast? You know this is his first podcast.

[B]

Well, it's, it's kind, it is kind of a new format. Yeah, I mean, only in the last really few years. Huh.

[A]

Well, Nicholas Galaxy is on today.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes.

[A]

I saw your movie Masters of the Universe yesterday. Amazing. Where'd you guys film?

[B]

We filmed in London.

[A]

Oh, so you're.

[B]

Well, I mean, to be honest. I mean I was living here when, when I got the job. Nothing films in LA anymore.

[A]

Starting to though now maybe times are

[B]

changing, but I, I filmed one, one job in my whole career in la.

[A]

You'll never believe who just walks in the back house. Walks in. Ryan. I said, oh, Nicholas, this is Ryan. Ryan goes, hey. I go, what are you doing? Like, you don't understand, like, so he's

[B]

not supposed to be here.

[A]

Like, he's like set up camp. Do you. Are you codependent with anyone? Well, you just hard launched your girlfriend now.

[B]

Yeah, I mean that was kind of. Sorry, that was kind of supposed to be my close friends.

[A]

Oh, you did it by accident.

[B]

Look, I mean anyone who, you know, follows me at all knows that I've had a girlfriend for a few years. But you know, we, we like to be private. Which you know, I think is just easier in this day and age. But yeah, I was, I was doing a shoot yesterday and, and usually, you know, post things to my close friends and.

[A]

I didn't know you had close friends.

[B]

Well, listen man, let's see how this goes.

[A]

Okay, wait, I like, let's see how this goes. I don't even use close friends.

[B]

What do you use?

[A]

I like, I. Nothing. If I have something private to say, I'll like text it.

[B]

But like, what are you, what are you uploading? That's, that would make you like.

[A]

Well like my close friends would just be like me talking shit.

[B]

Oh. Yeah.

[A]

So it's like I can't do that.

[B]

What do you think of that new. The instance thing. You like it?

[A]

You are so tapped in. Wait, I'm like, wasn't expecting this, so

[B]

I'm getting real tapped in.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. What do you think of the instance thing? I don't love it.

[B]

I think it's stupid.

[A]

I don't love it.

[B]

I hate it. And I don't want to see that little thing in the. Cool.

[A]

It's starting to piss me off when I go check my dm, like, and you hear the. You feel the little. Like, you know.

[B]

Well, and it's just also, like, the. The level of, like, the content is really just, like, plummeting. Yeah. It's not good.

[A]

I just don't care.

[B]

You sit through it and you're like, I don't. I didn't need this.

[A]

Yeah, well, I don't. Do you sift through it? I did it once, and I was like, wait, can I go back? And turns out, you can't go back.

[B]

No, I do sift through it. I'm curious.

[A]

You're curious?

[B]

I'm a curious person. Yeah.

[A]

Did you finish filming Red, White and Royal Blue two yet?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Start the year, really? I mean, we. It's been. It's been kind of. Hug this.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

All right. That doesn't ruin your shot. I. Yeah, we started. We started. Finished filming at the end. At the end of February. This is a really quick shoot, but.

[A]

Quick, quick.

[B]

Well, I mean, it was just. I. I'm very fortunate to kind of be in a position now. I'm kind of going from job to job, so I had to squeeze in a little indie film after that, before this. I know. It's so.

[A]

Look at me squeezing that little Indy. What indie was it?

[B]

It's. It's a really. It's a really cool film called the Return of Stanley Atwell. It's a period piece set in the 1950s, where I play a. The heir to a massive fortune who everyone thought was dead. And then he shows up 15 years later.

[A]

The guy who has the fortune.

[B]

Yes. And they don't know if he's a doppelganger.

[A]

Okay, so what's the sequel of Red, White and Royal Blue called? Tongue Twister. Isn't it Red, White, and Royal Blue, to be honest. You call it Red White? Yeah. Okay.

[B]

Red, White and Royal Wedding is the sequel.

[A]

You guys are getting married?

[B]

Well, that's the. That's the sort of the. The Easter egg you really had to

[A]

be there for when that first dropped, you know, I. You had to be there.

[B]

I was there.

[A]

You were there. You were in it. It's amazing. I rewatched it the other week in prep for this.

[B]

It's amazing how. How well it did as well. I mean, obviously, I know the books were really successful. It did really well for Amazon and.

[A]

Oh, well, that. Yes.

[B]

I feel like, you know, especially since the strike, it's been in interesting times in terms of how movies are getting made and stuff like that. And I think it's almost going back to this old model where, you know, when you, when you had a sort of close relationship with the studio, you know, they trust you and they kind of keep. I think that's kind of partially it,

[A]

but, you know, how would you elevator pitch that movie to me if I had never seen it before?

[B]

Well, it's. It's an animated show that, you know, was a toy line that Dolph Lundgren from Rocky fame. I don't know if you saw. Seen Rocky.

[A]

Boxer.

[B]

Boxer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Isn't Sylvester Stallone in Rocky?

[B]

Yes, he is Rocky. Actually.

[A]

When I tell you, I literally. That was like as if I had a basketball and I was facing this way and the hoop was this way, and I went like this.

[B]

You know, it's like one of the most famous movies of all time, though. I mean.

[A]

Yeah, but you could have. You could have told me. Schwarzenegger. You could have told me. Anyone. I would have said, right.

[B]

Wait, what's your favorite movie of all time? Yeah.

[A]

Devil's Prada.

[B]

That's a fudgeing good. Good movie.

[A]

It's a good. You want to. Why is my favorite movie?

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

Because I would never pull the fuck shit she did in Paris when she drops her. And I get it. Well, that's the point. She lost herself.

[B]

Okay, so who do you think the real villain was then?

[A]

Her boyfriend and her ass friends who would not let her do anything. She wouldn't. She. She couldn't win. She couldn't win. She'd be like, oh, my God, I had the best day at work. My boss loves me. Look how fashionable I am. Well, I'm like head to toe, like in whatever she wants. Like showing up late to dinner. Cunt chic, whatever. Our friends are like, we've lost you. Okay, so.

[B]

But, but okay, I. I mean, I hear you. Yes. But also, it is, you know, it's like, it's difficult when you're in a relationship with someone and you feel like they. They're changing in front of your eyes and you can't. You can't connect, you know, with them anymore.

[A]

I know. It's Sad. But should she have quit her job over it?

[B]

No, no, I. Have you seen the sequel?

[A]

No, I've been dying to.

[B]

I love it. Really love the tooch. The Tooch man.

[A]

Yeah, he's great. He's awesome.

[B]

Streep.

[A]

Isn't he also in burlesque?

[B]

Yeah. Stanley, fact check.

[A]

No, because Burlesque is definitely Luis's favorite movie of all time.

[B]

I think he. Wait, wait. Burlesque? Is that wagon wheel with 2C?

[A]

I've never. Yeah, I knew it. And I've never even seen it.

[B]

By the way, is Burlesque with Christina Aguilera. And there's the amazing thing, which. Where shows like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, tell me to

[A]

play whatever song and I'll do whatever song, and I've never seen them. You know what? Tonight I'm going to watch Burlesque, so. Okay, so in red, white. Can we talk for, like, five seconds about it?

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

So who's in charge of the relationship there? You or the president's son?

[B]

Like, who do you think leads?

[A]

Who do you think leads the way?

[B]

I think. I think I do. I think I do. Yeah. I think. I think he's more. I think Alex is more happy. Go lucky. You know, And. And Henry's kind of. He's. He's kind of one of those sort of quite. He's quite emotional. So Alex kind of has to adjust to his. His mood swings, I think, all the time.

[A]

Yeah. Do you have fun filming the second one?

[B]

Yeah, I had a good time. I mean, it's the first time I've. I've. I've gone back to shoot anything, you know, done a sequel, so it's kind of trippy. You. You know, you usually. You get so used to working with people and then, you know, not seeing them for a decade, and so that was really, really nice.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And. And, you know, seeing Uma again.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Who I've worked.

[A]

Every time she pops up in the movie, I'm like, that's Uma Thurman.

[B]

It's kind of crazy, isn't it?

[A]

Right?

[B]

Pulp Fiction.

[A]

What are you doing? I watch a lot of tv. Like, wait, what.

[B]

What TV do you watch?

[A]

You know how Christine Aguilera is like, name every song that I could say. Song.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Name TV show.

[B]

The Traitors.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So good, isn't it? Breaking Bad.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Sopranos?

[A]

No, but keep going because that doesn't count.

[B]

Grey's Anatomy.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Vampire Diary. Okay. I think I'm. I'm trying to. I think subconsciously, I'm trying to literally, like, one Two, three.

[A]

TV show. Go.

[B]

I've said Game of Thrones.

[A]

Yes, I've seen Game of Thrones.

[B]

Andor No. Okay, so this is not that impressive.

[A]

You've just seen.

[B]

Yeah. You've seen kind of a regular amount of tv.

[A]

No, I've seen. Yeah. Now you have me wondering what I do in my free time. Yeah.

[B]

What do you do?

[A]

I don't know. But today somebody tried to diagnose me on the Internet with, what is it? And they. They listed the reasons why they think I. I have it. They go, you know, symptoms may include sudden weight gain. I respond suddenly, dot, dot, dot, weight gain. Go to my comment section. It's literally one of the top comments. She's like, I think you have this on what? On my latest Instagram.

[B]

What is it? It's a mental disorder.

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay, okay. But we were talking about your. You were talking about your weight gain.

[A]

Well, you had to put on some pounds for this role.

[B]

Again, you were so good at the transitions. That is so impressive.

[A]

Wait, really?

[B]

Yeah. That's so good.

[A]

But you did.

[B]

No, I did. I did.

[A]

I. I don't know if that came across as rude, but you had to, like, bulk up.

[B]

No. Yeah, it was pretty rude. I know. I look that I had to put a lot of weight on in a quite short period of time, and I definitely. When you're putting that much size on you, as well as muscle, you also gain a lot of fat. And so I. I didn't recognize myself for a. A few months at least. And. And you know, you're getting asked to come and do, like, public, like, events and stuff like that, and you just don't see yourself, which is kind of trippy.

[A]

So did you bulk and then cut?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. And that's. That's. And you had to do it quickly.

[B]

Yeah. And so you're eating a lot. I was eating like 5, 000 calories a day. Yeah. It was not fun. It was. It was. It was kind of like a sickening amount.

[A]

What were you eating? Like, okay, wake up.

[B]

Okay, wake up. And the big omelette breakfast. Potatoes, fruit, and then there'd be sort of a snack in between, Then, like, big lunch with, like, a lot of rice, lot of protein, then another snack, then kind of do the same thing again, then another snack, and then.

[A]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Two lunches?

[B]

Yeah, you kind of have. Yeah.

[A]

Well, did your stomach hurt all the time?

[B]

Oh, yeah, it was. It just wasn't fun. You're kind of going from eating way too much food to eating way too little Little.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm, like, not a good person when I. I'm. I'm hang. I'm a hangry person.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know, I'm. I. So that was also equally difficult.

[A]

You're Libra.

[B]

Yeah, I am. How'd you know that?

[A]

Because I looked up your birthday and. But I get that Libra vibe in you.

[B]

What is. What does that say about me?

[A]

It's like, you want peace, like you're good with whatever. You're chill, like you're happy. Go lucky.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're not in the mood to fight. What's your partner?

[B]

I don't. You know, it's interesting you say that. I'm not in the mood to fight. I think I am. I think I. I think I like to.

[A]

You like to fight?

[B]

I. I think I'm quite a. I think I'm quite a confrontation. You. You are right. I am. I do feel like I like justice. I like balance. I care about different people's perspective on it. I feel like that the way to sort of achieve harmony in life is to kind of get all viewpoints. But. But I also. I think I'm quite emotional, and Libras can be emotional. Yeah. And. But I. I can react in a sort of passionate way, I think, when I feel. Yeah. Like scorned.

[A]

Okay. Aren't you a Libra? Yeah, that makes sense.

[B]

Did you say that's true to you? Yeah, pretty much, like, nailed it. Exactly.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Nolan feels strongly about things.

[B]

Yeah. Or I don't feel strongly about anything. Yeah, yeah. It's one or the other. We're kind of mercurial beings, aren't we? That's a good word for it. Yeah, it is.

[A]

So you. So you want to try my candy?

[B]

Want to try what?

[A]

My candy.

[B]

Yes, I do. Of course. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So this is my own special skill that we're releasing soon. Do you want pink or do you want blue?

[B]

Pink. Are they. Are they different flavors?

[A]

That look. That one's sad.

[B]

So. So octopus.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because you have a passion for octopus. Is it like you're like a candy Somalier and you have to like.

[A]

I guess. Yeah. I kind of love that.

[B]

It's good.

[A]

So incredible. You like?

[B]

I love it.

[A]

So this is your first podcast. You say. Do you think you'll ever do another one?

[B]

I think this is it for me. I think this is it. Won't get better.

[A]

So the octopus comes up. Won't get better.

[B]

Oh, yeah. That could mean that. I even didn't even mean in that. In that way, but yeah.

[A]

Which

[B]

this isn't about me.

[A]

So do you actually want to hear

[B]

about octopus or, like, I. I love octopus.

[A]

The creature or the food?

[B]

The food.

[A]

In college, I had an internship at a record label, and then they, like, were like, okay, you need to go finish college before you work for us full time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was smoking a lot of weed. You'd smoke weed?

[B]

Not anymore, no.

[A]

Used to.

[B]

Used to.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. So I was smoking a lot of weed and I was really bored. And so I made this account called Pass that Puss where I would go out to eat and I would eat octopus and review it and be like, one out of. This is really good. 6.4 out of eight tentacles. Hi, pussies. Tense up. And so that's where this came from. And now we're here.

[B]

So what were you expect? Did you suspect it was Shut the fuck up when I'm fucking talking? Did you expect that it was going to evolve into something else? Because it's kind of a niche. Right. Like, I finished talking now.

[A]

That was the first I had. No. It is crazy how much I've cut you off, but can I tell you, it's. It's a testament to how comfortable I feel with you.

[B]

Yeah. Because we're having a conversation. I. To be fair, I haven't noticed it. Yeah.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

So you can shut the fuck up.

[A]

Yeah. So, no. If you told me while I was reviewing Octopus that I would end up with a show called Therapist that somehow made its way onto Netflix.

[B]

No. That's bizarre.

[A]

I kind of thought it was just like a high habit.

[B]

Yeah. You still review Octopus?

[A]

I haven't in a while, but I'll probably do it tomorrow because we're going to Vegas. Just today, Gracie Abrams announced her look at My Life tour. Ariana Grande is going on tour. Like, you already know, I'm going to be sat for that. And Gracie Abrams also has some incredible openers. Bella K is opening for her. Charlotte Lawrence is opening for her. Jensen McCrae is opening for her, among others. There are so many artists to see, and SeatGeek makes it easy to see every single one of them. You can also use code therapist for 10% off your order. The reason SeatGeek is so amazing is because when you go to buy a ticket, it rates the ticket that you're about to buy on a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being not the best, 10 being the best. So you know if you're getting a good deal. Also, if you click the link in the description and download the app, it automatically applies the code therapist for 10% off your order. There's also so many incredible music festivals. There's Lollapalooza, where Audrey Hobert is going to perform. Lorde is going to perform. Charlie XCX is going to perform. Tate McCray is going to perform. The World cup is here. If you want to see the World cup, it's not just music. It's sports. You can go see a comedy show. Marcelo Hernandez is going on tour. Nikki Glaser is going on tour. Everyone is going on tour besides me. So use code therapist for 10% off your order. And thank you again, SeatGeek, for sponsoring today's episode.

[B]

If I can, like, stay in my house, like, as much as possible, like, I will, really.

[A]

What do you do at home?

[B]

Just. I. I whittle wood.

[A]

You're lying right now.

[B]

No. Yeah, it's my. I make little chess pieces. Yeah, I just kind of.

[A]

That's what you do all day and you listen to music while you do that.

[B]

Listen to music?

[A]

What music you listen to?

[B]

I kind of do everything. Really? I know. That's such a wanky answer.

[A]

Okay, well, you're. Let's say we're whittling wood right now. Okay. You need to put on a song. What are you playing?

[B]

I'm playing. What am I playing? Like, Bonnie Ver. Oh, my God. That's so. Oh, okay. That was good.

[A]

I love Bonnie Bear. Favorite album?

[B]

Oh, I don't know. The. The new. The new one.

[A]

The new one is great, right? Stable table.

[B]

I love everything that he does.

[A]

He does. Yeah. What's your favorite Bonnie Bear song?

[B]

Oh, what is it called? 33. God.

[A]

Oh, you know, I haven't really given that one a chance yet, but.

[B]

I know it's kind of, like, weird. Oh, no, it's not. What? The wolves. What do they call it? The Wolves, Acts one and two. Okay, that was really good. It's like. It plays at the end of Place beyond the Pines as well. Really slow.

[A]

Never seen that.

[B]

I love Ethel Kane. I listen to a lot.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Crush.

[B]

Crush.

[A]

Crush is great.

[B]

It's my favorite song.

[A]

Bon Iver. You listen to a lot of Bonnie Vere while you're whittling wood?

[B]

Yeah. That sounds really.

[A]

That makes sense.

[B]

Does it?

[A]

Yeah. I feel like that's what he would want.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, no, it's definitely what he would want. It's not. I don't just wait or what? I don't want to, like, paint this image of me as some sort of, like, lonesome. It's not really.

[A]

Wood Whittler.

[B]

Wood Whittler. Yeah. I was gonna say lumberjack, which was making me sound kind of cooler, but that's. That's not what I.

[A]

Is that what a lumberjack does?

[B]

No, a lumberjack cuts down trees.

[A]

Do they still exist?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You sure?

[B]

Yeah, I am sure.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

There's places in the world that require lumberjacks, still use wood. This whole room is made of wood. Someone had to do that, right?

[A]

Yeah, it was. It was interwoven studios.

[B]

Interwoven studios.

[A]

They built the set.

[B]

Oh, okay. But they must have got it from a lumberjack. You think? Look, I don't know. I don't know if it's just a guy, but that's probably what you'd call a guy who.

[A]

Have you seen Train Dreams?

[B]

No, I haven't talked about Lumberjack.

[A]

Yeah, talk about a fucking lumberjack. Oh, wow.

[B]

Have you seen Train Dreams?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That doesn't seem like the kind of

[A]

movie I saw every single Oscar nom this year. What was your first movie?

[B]

It was a tiny, tiny movie called the Beat Beneath My Feet where I. I played this, like, kid who, like, has an absentee father, and then a disgraced rock God who, like, faked his own death, like, moves in next door and he, like, blackmails him into, like, teaching it, like, doesn't really make any sense.

[A]

And he shows you the beat beneath your feet.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It didn't do that well, but I wasn't trying to be an actor, and so it was kind of.

[A]

You were it?

[B]

No, I was. I was trying to be a rugby player.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah, I. I hadn't acted until I left school.

[A]

Okay, so what caused the shift?

[B]

I hurt myself playing rugby, so I couldn't do it anymore. And then I got really anxious and depressed. And then my friends in school were actors and they said, why don't you come audition for a play? And I did. And then I got scouted. And then I was like.

[A]

You got scouted? Yeah, they were like, you like the real Hollywood dream.

[B]

I mean, it's. It's. Look, compared to, like, I'm sure you've had people on who are, like, properly trained and stuff like that. Like, I mean, I always felt a little chip on my shoulder that I didn't have that. But to be honest, I kind of came to it in a much more organic way, and I think it makes my love for it kind of more. More. You get less jaded, I think, when you've kind of. You haven't had money drawn from you to, like, do the thing you love. Does that make sense?

[A]

So. Because it happened to you so organically.

[B]

Yeah. Because I wasn't desperate for it. Like, I think there's some of. Some of these actors, like, you know, whether it's they come from like an acting family or, you know, they wanted to when they were five years old, and then they did it in. In high school and then they went to a, you know, acting school or whatever, and then they come out of the acting school and they've paid all this money for it and they're not getting these jobs. They've committed their whole life already by the time they're like 21, to achieving this thing, which, you know, some of it has to do with talent, but a lot of it is just being in the right place at the right time and. And people just like, noticing you. And so I kind of came into it being like. Like, I could care less really. Like, I don't really know what I'm going to do with my life, but, like, if this works out, great. And then my love for it kind of started to build and build and build and. And now I like. It's kind of who I am in a lot of ways, so.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Have you ever acted?

[A]

I have. I did my first movie in Portland this summer.

[B]

Oh, no way. What was the movie?

[A]

Wishful Thinking. Who's that with Lewis Pullman. My. My hawk.

[B]

I haven't met her.

[A]

You've never met Maya? She's great.

[B]

I mean, looks extraordinarily like her mom.

[A]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[B]

Quite crazy.

[A]

Crazy. She's so lovely. I had the best time.

[B]

How did you find it?

[A]

I love it.

[B]

Is that what you want to do?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you always want to do it?

[A]

Yeah, with. But I love doing this as well. But I think I have a little more fun when, like, I don't know. Like what.

[B]

Why do you think you have more fun just playing another character?

[A]

I think I it being able to like. Like when I say something stupid on here, like, I'm saying it as Jake.

[B]

Yeah. You have to barrel the embarrassment.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. But if I do something as like a character.

[B]

Yeah, but I mean, that's very interesting. I feel like a big thing for me with acting is letting go of the ego around being embarrassed after, you know, taking a swing at something.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And it's really interesting because you. You had Rachel Sennott on who I love and you know, she was part my. I'd say my probably biggest learning experience was on the film with her when we did Bottoms, because that was first time I did a really broad comedy.

[A]

Oh, my God. You worked with Kaya.

[B]

And Kaya as well.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

The whole. I'm sure you know, all those guys, they're such a. Yeah. Have you met IO as well?

[A]

I met IO like twice. So lovely.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, you know, it, it stands you in good stead that you don't feel as embarrassed making choices as another character. Yeah, it's a really good thing. But like, I remember, you know, I read that script and obviously like my character is kind of a small part of that movie. But I knew I like desperately really wanted to do it. And once I got it, then it was like, oh, I felt this huge responsibility to be funny, which is kind of like the worst thing in the world because, well, you just force it. And then I got kind of embarrassed trying to force it. But then by the end of the job, I think just like kind of letting go and letting go of ego and trying things out. But the fact that you're already experiencing that means you're, you're kind of, you're ready for it, I guess.

[A]

You think?

[B]

I just, I, I mean, I don't know. Like all the time I have to remind myself to just like not care so much.

[A]

I know it's hard though, and especially

[B]

hard to do that in a. When, when you make your passion your job as well.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because you have to keep earning. The response, the, the, the ability to like do the thing that you love. I think that's the scary thing you. Because, because nothing is a given as an actor and you know, industry can turn around tomorrow and say there's a younger, better looking, more talented version of you. Like we'll just cast him and said you have to keep earning and proving to people that you have the ability to, to have these opportunities that can go away at any instant. And when your ego comes into it. My waffling.

[A]

What is a waffle?

[B]

It means chatting.

[A]

No, no, I'm listening.

[B]

When you, when your ego comes into it as well, I mean it's. And you keep, you know, telling yourself, oh, I'm not good enough. And, and, and that was really, that take was really, really like. I don't know why I did that. So embarrassing. You kind of go into yourself and then, and then you, you can't be creative anymore. And then it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy in a way.

[A]

Did you experience this after Red White? I mean, not red. White was like everywhere. Do you remember? Everywhere. When did that come out? 2021, 2022.

[B]

I think maybe it was huge.

[A]

Huge.

[B]

I always find it hard to remember because it was. We didn't really promote it because of the strike. The strike? Yeah, it, it. I, I didn't feel that as much with Red White because, you know, I was cast first in the whole process and, and sorry, not, not, not a flex, but, but as in, I felt like, oh, you've earned the opportunity. And then when other people sort of kind of, you know, I tested with Taylor and then Uma came on board, it was kind of more. I had more time to kind of like, ground myself in the experience and be like, yes. But then, you know, just the next year, then I did that. I did a movie with Anne Hathaway called the Idea of you. And then I did this show called Mary and George with Julianne Moore, which was this sort of period piece. And so then it was like, you know, sharing the screen with these, I mean, two Oscar winners. And every day you're kind of going, I see in them sort of vaguely where I want to get to, like, do I have enough ability to do that? You're kind of in awe of what they're able to do.

[A]

So you have renal imposter syndrome.

[B]

I mean, I still do in a lot of ways. You know, talking about he man. I mean, like, when someone says here, you are going to play a God, the strongest man in the uniform, and you have to look like this. I mean, you kind of go like, I'm just a person. I don't really know how to embody a sort of larger than life character. But I mean, I don't know. Like, is there any actor that you think you've come across who you're like, that person is entirely confident and authentic in every moment that they. You have. Who?

[A]

Timothy, probably Timothy Shalom.

[B]

Oh, really? Interesting.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like that's why he went so much.

[B]

But do you think he spent a long time getting to that place? You think he was always that way?

[A]

Have you seen the videos of him

[B]

in school with doing the rap? Rap?

[A]

He's been so himself forever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think he's worked incredibly hard. I think he's incredibly talented. But I think the reason people gravitate towards him so much is because, like, he's him.

[B]

But you can. I. I mean, sure. But also people evolve and so you're always you in different ways. I mean, like, you could even look in. In terms of his, like, clothing, like how he started a few years ago to how he has, you know.

[A]

Yeah, you.

[B]

You can't say that necessarily. One is like, more authentic than the other. But.

[A]

Yeah, no, yeah, I, I don't know.

[B]

I think you're kind of just like forced to change as well. But. But that's interesting. I can. I can definitely see. I think he was. I mean, I loved Marty supreme and I thought also the way he promoted the movie was like, brilliant entirely. Someone who knew who they were and what they wanted to achieve out of.

[A]

Right. Well, what was smart about that was that was like the whole bit of the movie.

[B]

Yeah. Did you. Was that your favorite movie? What was your favorite movie?

[A]

My favorite movie this year was Train Dreams.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I. I love Joel Edgerton, so I really want to see it, but that's the one I have.

[A]

It was really moving.

[B]

What else did you like?

[A]

I liked Train Dreams. I liked. I liked Hamnet, which is crazy because I hate period pieces.

[B]

Really hate. What do you hate about it?

[A]

Hate, hate, hate.

[B]

What do you hate about it?

[A]

My thing with them is I just don't know what you're saying, so, like, I can't. And it's like, okay, but what if it.

[B]

What if it's. What if it's like a period thing with like, modern. Like a Bridgeton, like, with modern language. Oh, so you're like, really?

[A]

Give me a cell phone.

[B]

You're in.

[A]

Give me a cell phone.

[B]

Wait, but, so, okay, so. So you won't watch something that like Robert Eggers does, for example, like Nosferatu. Now, I saw Nosferatu, but he, like, famously won't. He doesn't want to shoot anything that has a cell phone in it.

[A]

Yeah. I didn't understand anything that was going on in the movie at all, ever.

[B]

But you got the vibes of the movie, right? You. Could you enjoy it? Just that. Really?

[A]

No, I was like a vampire.

[B]

But Train Dreams is kind of period, isn't it?

[A]

Very much so.

[B]

So you're just an oxymoron, really? You're just.

[A]

Yeah, I just. I like Train Dreams, cuz I got it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was like, okay, I understand. And it made me cry at the end and I was like, did you make you.

[B]

Did you not think you were going to get it? So it made you feel quite like.

[A]

No. My dad told me how much he loved it and I was like, oh, my God. Well, if he likes it, then I'll probably like it.

[B]

I actually just started watching Euphoria.

[A]

I knew you were, by the way. And I knew you were about to

[B]

say, because it's just all over. Yeah, I feel like I've seen every clip on. On TikTok.

[A]

Or have you seen season one? Are you just Started for the first time ever.

[B]

I know. Just for the first time. Well, no, I. That's not true. I watched. I watched, like, half of season one a while ago and then just thought, oh, it's really, like, quite dark. And what happens in this high school. This is like. Like no high school I've ever known. And then. And then recently just started. Finished it. And then. And then started watching the second season and now the third season. I mean, by the way, like, I always knew Zendaya was, like, great, but she's, like, incredible. I. I'm. I was, like, really floored by how great she is as Sydney Sweeney as well.

[A]

Season two is great. You just started season two.

[B]

No, I finished it. I'm on season three. I'm up to date. I'm up to date. I haven't seen the reason.

[A]

I haven't seen the recent one either. You know who I thought was so amazing? Was that the stripper that Rue sent to rehab.

[B]

Oh, my God, she was so good.

[A]

She was so good. She was so good.

[B]

Just, like, wild.

[A]

I hope they bring her back. Well, did she die? Is that what they said? Is that what they say in the last.

[B]

Well, it's kind of.

[A]

What.

[B]

It's implied. It's. The implication is.

[A]

Yeah, who implies that?

[B]

Well, the Alamo sends them to this rehab, and then they get taken away to either be trafficked or murdered. Yeah, I think it's traffic. Right. That's the heavy implication.

[A]

How is that implied?

[B]

She goes there and there's no paperwork to fill out, and she's like, okay, like, where? Like, Zendaya. She's like, where are they going? Like, how do you. You know, how can I get in contact? And it's just like a dark.

[A]

Like, I thought it was just a shitty rehab.

[B]

No, but that's why. Also just.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so the implication is that they're being trafficked.

[B]

Yes. Segue that,

[A]

huh?

[B]

I'm loving it.

[A]

I thought she was gonna come back.

[B]

No, no, no. Well, I mean, we wait to be surprised, I guess.

[A]

But I really liked her.

[B]

I think she'll. I think she'll work a lot from. From the show. It's really interesting when you can see, you know, someone in a smaller role, like, do something really special, and you're like, oh, I. Like, they're gonna. They're gonna work.

[A]

You know who's the most famous example of that?

[B]

Who?

[A]

Charlie Sheen.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Tell me.

[A]

For those that don't know, he had one scene in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. One scene My chills thinking about it. And he was like, late to set because it's Charlie Sheen and he like shows up. Does this one scene blew up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Became Charlie Sheen.

[B]

He's so charismatic.

[A]

Have you seen the doc on him?

[B]

No. I need crazy. I need to. Is he one of your favorites, favorite actors?

[A]

No.

[B]

Who moves you? Who's your favorite?

[A]

Like, if I'm like, sat for them.

[B]

Yeah, you'll go see them no matter what.

[A]

What a good question.

[B]

Maybe I'm interviewing you now.

[A]

Oh, okay. Well, who are you sat for?

[B]

I mean, really, when I was younger, it was Robin Williams, like everything Robin Williams did. I mean, he just had this light.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's very interesting. I. I kind of feel. I mean, there's such weird comps, but I kind of feel like Ryan Gosling has this, in a weird way of like, he's someone who's incredibly funny, really charming. He can do really emotional dramatic stuff. But he has, he has a radiance about him that really just brings people on side. I like, it's very hard. I mean, you know, you mentioned Timothy and, And obviously, you know, there's. He's had the issue with the whole. The ballet opera thing, which, by the way, I went to the ballet for the first time the other day and it was amazing. I have to say. Like, ballerinas are incredible and I had a great time. But, you know, he's someone. Obviously the way social media works, like, everyone has a sort of. If you're usually, if you're doing well, people have a sort of split opinion on you. But someone like Ryan Gosling, I feel like he's very hard to like, everyone loves him. Day is kind of the same way, I guess.

[A]

I'm always sat for Jennifer Lawrence.

[B]

Oh, she's great, isn't she?

[A]

I'm always sat for her.

[B]

Did you see Die my Love?

[A]

I did.

[B]

It was heavy.

[A]

I'm sat for Jennifer Lawrence. I think her comedic timing is like, some of the best in the game.

[B]

I'm surprised she hasn't done more comedy.

[A]

I know. I love. Do you see no hard feelings. Yeah, that's so funny movie ever.

[B]

Do you think the. Do you think that she kind of ushered in this, like, sense of like, relatability because, you know, do you notice, like, there's a lot of these, like a listers now who are like, trying to be relatable and words like, you know, they'll have their own tick tock or. Or whatever. And it's like she kind of. I mean, I remember she got really Slammed for, like, people thought she was trying too hard.

[A]

But, you know, who actually assured that in first was Anne Hathaway. Do you remember that? She. There was like a hate train on her, and I never caught it because I love Anne Hathaway and I know you've worked with her.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But she was pretty relatable. Yeah, but, yeah, I guess Jennifer Lawrence really ushered in that. Like.

[B]

Well, I mean, look, they're so different. I mean, I, you know, obviously Annie and I talked about this, but that was hard. That was very, like, strange and harsh, like someone winning the sort of highest award there is in the. In the industry, and then people kind of really switching off. I think the reality is she's like a theater kid. You know, she's really intelligent. She's really, I don't know, bright, and people don't like that. I think a lot of the time it's kind of the same. That was kind of the same thing with Jennifer Lawrence. I think she was like. She had a brightness, I think. How do you. How do you. How do you navigate it? Do you see people that you interview, like, consistently trying to navigate it as well, like, how much of themselves to share, whilst also kind of. Because it's kind of a poison chalice, kind of.

[A]

There's certain people that will come on and be more reserved.

[B]

Yeah, but look, and I don't mean, like, from you. Like, you're putting this expectation on them. I mean, sort of the. The. The world at large is sort of putting this expectation on them, and it's, you know, we're all on our journey to sort of be, you know, find our sort of most authentic self. But I think it's really hard to do.

[A]

I've struggled with it recently. Like, I think about what I say more, and I used to just, like, kind of rip it and, like, say whatever I wanted and, like, be myself and cut you off and do whatever and, like. But now that people are like.

[B]

You still cut people off.

[A]

Well, yes, but if you think this is bad, go like, you have no idea how bad I used to be.

[B]

It's. Look, it's. It's. Well, it's just very. I think it's interesting for you because, you know, you're. I say your journey is kind of much more uncharted. This sort of. What were you doing before? Were you doing, like, social media before?

[A]

I was working at a record label.

[B]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[A]

For this guy named Zach. Okay. Zach is now my manager.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So it's like, it very much all stayed in the family.

[B]

Did you go from feeling just like a regular sort of person to, oh, now I have to, like, put out this version of my. Myself. I have to sort of put out of.

[A]

Yeah, I think I felt that way starting when I started doing tour.

[B]

Oh, you've told I.

[A]

Towards this. And that's when I was like, oh, people are paying to see me put on a show right now. You can't. Like, there's not like. Like. Like, this used to be on YouTube. It's not on YouTube anymore. It's on Netflix. Yeah, but when it was on YouTube, it was like, I felt like I could kind of say and do whatever I wanted and be whatever mood I wanted to be in, because people were clicking on that on their own free volition.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But when they bought tickets to a show and they, like, paid money, I was like, oh, there. I have to put on a good show. Like, I can't have someone leave here being like. I wasn't entertained.

[B]

But did you still feel like it was you?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You weren't putting.

[A]

I was able to. I learned how to make it me.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'll never forget it. I was about to go on stage in. I think it was. It was Vancouver. Was it Toronto or Vancouver, which was the first? Canada. We went to Toronto. It was Toronto. I was so hungover. Like, so hungover. I'd never been hungover for a show before because I wasn't drinking. I was so hungover because we had New York the night before. And I just, like, really leaned into the fact that I was hungover. And it worked really well and was one of my best shows. And I was like, oh, so, like.

[B]

Well, we were talking about relatability.

[A]

Yeah, it's hard. It's like. It's hard because people will be like, oh, you're so relatable. You're so authentic. And then they'll want you to market it. And it's like, you can't market that. Yeah, that doesn't. That's not how that works.

[B]

Yeah, and it's also, like, kind of.

[A]

And then. And then they'll want you to market it, and then you'll do something that is relatable and authentic, and they'll be like, well, no, you can't do that.

[B]

Do you. Do you think actors can be relatable at a certain level?

[A]

Yeah, but the audience doesn't let them.

[B]

Really?

[A]

You're not allowed to be because everything you guys say and do is dissected on a level that a lot of other public figures are. Not everything. It's really Interesting. I was, I, I was, I have a show in development and we were talking about that, how I wanted to be in like the acting world in this. And they're like, it's so funny you say that because you're in a world right now where you can get away with saying a lot more and you want to be kind of like muzzled. And I don't think you're gonna like feeling muzzled. Do you ever feel muzzled?

[B]

Truthfully, I'm quite a, I'm quite a candid person. Like I, I think I wear my heart on my sleeve and I, I, I really have a, I feel very compelled to be honest. I think definitely that. I do think that there are things, no matter what I say, you know, people will disagree with. We kind of have lost like a little bit of. I'm interested in nuance. Maybe that's the kind of, the Libra thing. I don't know. And I just, I think that's the thing that I really struggle with is I want to have like really honest conversation. I wouldn't say if you're muzzled at all. I kind of choose to like not share a lot about myself and think that that's not really like a, it was kind of self muzzling in a way. But I, I'm also just like, you know, when I, when I asked you like, you know, can, can actors really be relatable? I mean like, do people really want to hear like what actors have to say for themselves?

[A]

I do. Because actors are like kind of the face of pop culture in a sense. Actors and singers and pop culture can be used as like a gateway. I feel like for a lot of people to comment on like socio economic issues without having to talk about politics, they can just kind of use the actors and the singers as like the front facing man. Oh my God, I am so smart. I'm like freak. Are you hearing me right now?

[B]

I was, you know.

[A]

Are you hearing me right now? No, I'm literally talking at every word. I'm like thinking really hard about the next word. But I, but don't you agree though that like people are like, everyone's freaking out about Timothee Chalamet and the ballet thing, but it's like, is that really what you're mad about?

[B]

Do you think people just need to be mad at something in general?

[A]

Sometimes. But I think like the, this country is like in such a shithole of shitholes that like people are, yes, people do want to be angry about something, but like people are more angry than Usual. Yeah, I think it's just. What it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like gas. So high.

[B]

Would you move? No, you wouldn't. I didn't take it to a sort of existential place too much. I can do that sometimes. Okay.

[A]

Okay. But you know what? I do have to ask you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What are you therapist about today?

[B]

I actually really don't feel like I'm therapy. I feel very. What are you therapist about? Can I ask that?

[A]

Yeah. Maybe I went to go make myself a bowl of cereal, and all my spoons were in the dishwasher, and I didn't have any plastic spoons, so that was annoying. Then I woke up really tired. Yeah, like, we're tired than usual tired. And I slept last night. Full night's sleep.

[B]

How many hours did you get?

[A]

Eight and a half.

[B]

I went, okay, now I'm therapist that you got eight and a half. And I got like, five.

[A]

Went to the gym, still tired. Got back from the gym, slept for 20 minutes, woke up still tired. Uncomfortable, actually. Then I had lunch. And then I immediately felt sick. Immediately felt sick. Immediately felt like, oh, that was gross. Because it was gross. Because I have, like, a hyper fixation meal every now and then.

[B]

Oh, what are you eating right now?

[A]

Right now? I'm obsessed with getting the awake smoothie from Creation and avocado toast with cherry tomatoes and lox.

[B]

And you've just been smashing every single day. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And I finally got sick of it today because they forgot my hot sauce, and so I had to use a different hot sauce and you. And it was just. So. I was really angry about that. I. I've been angry about this cold that I've had.

[B]

Okay. I'm therapist because I. I did this, like, really intense movie and was completely healthy for all of it. And literally the day before, I came here to do, like, the biggest press tour of my career. I, like, started feeling.

[A]

Because your body was running on, like, adrenaline 10.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you had one brief moment where you were like. And then your body was like, okay, great.

[B]

I tried. I tried to tell myself, I was like, this is how. This is how it has to be. I shouldn't do that.

[A]

Well, no, your body listens, like, your mind.

[B]

Yeah. But now what do I do? Because I got this premiere later. Yeah. I'm a little under the weather, like.

[A]

But you don't sound it.

[B]

Well, I am.

[A]

You want the honest answer of what to do?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A steroid shot.

[B]

Steroids.

[A]

When's the premiere?

[B]

Like, in three hours.

[A]

Yeah, you need a steroid shot asap. Oh, my God. What are you talking about? You need one, like, literally right after this.

[B]

I thought. I thought you can do it, like, so soon after. Wait, what is a steroid shot?

[A]

It's just, like, it reduces the inflammation across your body. So, like. So, like, when I was really sick, my sinuses hurt, so. And my teeth hurt because my sinuses hurt and everything hurt. And so the steroid basically de. Inflammation you.

[B]

Are you saying that you think I look quite inflamed?

[A]

No, but you're telling me you feel sick. I'm like, great. You should get a steroid shot.

[B]

Why is it so hot in here?

[A]

Like, I told, by the way, and

[B]

I told you that, like, I feel inflamed in my.

[A]

Yes, I know. And sometimes I start talking in this room, and it gets so hot that my ear clogs up.

[B]

Wait, you just said two things in the last minute that I've never. First of all, that your teeth hurting

[A]

because of your sinuses.

[B]

I've never heard of that.

[A]

You've never heard of that before? That's very normal, mind you. You what? You guys are out of your mind. Your teeth have never hurt because your sinuses hurt. Your sinuses are right here. So then if they're really inflamed and they're re. And they're putting pressure and they're in. Yeah, like the science. I've never felt like. I've never felt like the smart person in a room before. When your sinuses are inflamed, everything else. When. Gets pushed and inflamed. So your top teeth.

[B]

Yeah, but your teeth, like, what do you say? It goes through your gums.

[A]

Everything is connected. It's the lymphs.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You should get a lymphatic.

[B]

If I had time, I would.

[A]

Okay, but you don't. So you need a steroid shot.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm having a really fun time with you.

[B]

Oh, I'm glad. Me too.

[A]

But you know what I can't stop thinking about?

[B]

What?

[A]

Are you gonna add me to your close friends?

[B]

Yeah, but we got to follow each other first.

[A]

I know. You know, we don't even follow each other.

[B]

No, I was thinking about it beforehand, but then I thought I could come here and then. And you could have been a terrible person, and then I wouldn't have wanted. And then I would have made the commitment too early, you know? Okay, so have you ever followed someone, like, too quickly and then got to know them and being like, really, I'll just unfollow them.

[A]

Or I'll just, like, keep. I'll just scroll have you. People are like, this is the thing. Just scroll. Just scroll.

[B]

Yeah, but it me it means something. A follow means something.

[A]

No, it doesn't just scroll.

[B]

How many people do you follow?

[A]

A thousand? Eight hundred.

[B]

There you go. It's nothing to you.

[A]

It's just like. Just scroll. If you don't like it, does it really need to derail your day that much?

[B]

No, but how many people do you.

[A]

Do you follow?

[B]

I think, like, 300. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, follow me.

[B]

So.

[A]

You guys know I am Poppy's number one fan, and I have been Poppy's number one fan. But what I love about Poppy is their ability to tap into current cultural moments and make a culinary moment out of that, which is actually very hard to do. And they've done it once again with the Love island themed punch pop, which is one of my favorite flavors I've ever had. I love, like, anything. Like, berry fruity. Like, you know, I die for that. And, you know, I just showed Niall Poppy, and he loved it. It's crazy that he's never had it before. I love Poppy more than anything. And honestly, maybe I should just have a little sip with you guys right here. Five grams of sugar. M m. Sodas back, but so much better. Only five grams of sugar. Poppy, I love you. You know what? I just had a really good idea.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To promote this episode. What if.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I came over to your house?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Where do you think I'm going with this?

[B]

I really don't know, but I'm liking what's the one. And give me a. And give me a steroid shot.

[A]

No. And we would a wood together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Should we do it?

[B]

We could do that.

[A]

Would you be down.

[B]

I mean, 100.

[A]

So where do you would have. What?

[B]

In London?

[A]

When's the next time you're gonna be in London?

[B]

Right after this. Wait.

[A]

Okay. No, I'm thinking. So you're gonna be in London right after.

[B]

Right after this.

[A]

So will you be in London in the beginning of June?

[B]

Yeah. You want to come widdle?

[A]

I will come Widowwood. I will be in London. I can be. I can be in I. And don't even fucking play with me. Don't even give me that look. I can be in London June 9th. Will you be in London June 9th?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Do you want a widow word on June 9th?

[B]

Wait, so you. That's my one day. Well, like, you're not gonna give me, like, a time?

[A]

I have to be back for Cassidy's birthday on the 13th.

[B]

Okay, I'm. I'm doing. I'm in New York for a few days, working with Ben Stiller for my next movie. So I don't know if. Yep, that's right, guys.

[A]

Yeah. He went to my high school.

[B]

Did he? Yeah, he's kind of an icon.

[A]

Talk about icon. Severance is the best show ever made.

[B]

I mean, but that also, the fact that you. That's interesting. Like, I. I said, man stand. You think severance?

[A]

Well, that's current. What do you think? What do you think when you think?

[B]

Well, I think, like, Zoolander.

[A]

I only like girly humor. Like, I like girl humor. Like, I like Clueless. I like mean girls. I like Bridesmaids. I like Train Wreck. Like, I like. I like insecure. I like girls. I like. Like, I like Broad City.

[B]

What if, like, Will Ferrell was like, Jake, there's this great part for you in this, like, boy, boyish, kind of, like, buddy comedy. You do it.

[A]

I would take it, and I would bring my. My own humor I wouldn't try to like.

[B]

Which is, you think inherently, like, feminine. Is that what I think?

[A]

Yeah, it's definitely more flamboyant. All my best friends were girls. My mom always had girl, like, her friends around. Like, I was, like, raised by, like, women in comedy, like Maya Rudolph, Kristen Wick. Not that they were around in my house, but, like, that's who I watched.

[B]

Your moms?

[A]

Yeah, that's who I watched. I gre. Watching Kristen Wiig, my Rudolph, Chelsea Handler, Amy Schumer, Joan Rivers. Like, that's my humor. Yeah, that's like.

[B]

I know what you mean. Yeah, I know what you mean.

[A]

Like, the, like, I just like the, like, boy humor. Like, I can't. It doesn't work for me. And I don't mean to sound like, whatever, but, like, I've never seen the Hangover.

[B]

You. Do you feel it's unsophisticated?

[A]

No, I don't. It just doesn't do it for me. I don't laugh.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I've also never given it a chance, and I think maybe that's because I felt rejected as a child.

[B]

Have you. This isn't like, a plug for myself, but did you see Bottoms?

[A]

Yeah, of course.

[B]

Would you say that that was. Would you say that humor had a femininity to it?

[A]

I think it had a really good mix of both.

[B]

That's what I think, too.

[A]

I think it had. And I think that's why it hit so hard.

[B]

It's. It's really. God, they're so brilliant.

[A]

Yeah, so brilliant.

[B]

So brilliant. IO is so brilliant.

[A]

Did you work with Kaya at all.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, and. And Kaya, by the way, like, I mean, first of all, she's so smart.

[A]

Smartest person in the room.

[B]

She, like, really, like, I feel like that was a really. I don't know if she'd done anything before that.

[A]

I think she did American Horror Story before that.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're right. But that's a very different, like, so dry. Like dry comedy as well.

[A]

Dry. That. Yeah, that is my favorite comedy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, you want to tell me what's wrong?

[B]

Yeah. What's this?

[A]

I feel like, by the way, you know, you're going to get a steroid shot after this.

[B]

I'm so excited. My body just like you're. You stop thinking about it.

[A]

What do I do if my friend is the problem in his relationship? Nothing. I just moved in with my friend who complains about his boyfriend not doing anything, not doing what he wants and not giving him attention. But when I witness them conversing, my friend is so dismissive and mean to his boyfriend. I'm not getting involved. But I can't defend him, my friend, when he complains, because he is the problem. Well, my mom always said, you don't get involved in anyone else's relationship ever. Yeah, but you should tell your friend.

[B]

But also, like, your friends are an extension of you in some ways. And if you start to, like, curate an environment where you're all kind of like, if they're doing something kind of a little toxic, that could kind of come back onto you.

[A]

Do you think if I was this person.

[B]

Yeah. What would I. What would you do?

[A]

I would say to my friend, you are the problem. Like, my best friend Julia, like, when she's in her relationship, I'm like, you. This is you problem. Like, you are behaving wrongly. Like, why can't you just say to your friend, like, this is your fault. That's not your real friend. Then. Hi, Jake and Nicholas Galitzine.

[B]

Oh, these are the people have written these into you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, okay. I see. I see.

[A]

Hi, Jake. I'm a senior in college and I'm graduating soon. I'm feeling like I didn't do enough during these years, and I'm not ready to let go of this period of my life. Everything is about to change and I feel like I didn't let loose enough the past four years. Help. I want to feel better about this. You can still party after college.

[B]

Yeah, but also, what would they. What were they expecting to get out of college? That was it. Was it really that they just Want to go out more?

[A]

That's what it sounds like.

[B]

Do you. How old are you? 24?

[A]

26.

[B]

Okay. And you still go out all the time?

[A]

Okay, all the time. Have the best time of my life. Dance. Dance than I do. I. I have more fun going out postgrad than I did. Than I did in college, I would say.

[B]

You went to college?

[A]

Yeah, I did. And you'll never guess which one. Usc.

[B]

I was gonna say usc. Go Trojans. What was the alternative if the working music. Okay, but then how did you. How did you.

[A]

Because working in music's a lot about, like, networking. Right. So, like, I want it to be an anr basically. It's like finding new artists and that requires a lot of, like, going into rooms and like, mingling and networking and like, finding. And I've. I've been told. I've been told I have a good ear.

[B]

Did you find anyone?

[A]

No, because I did this.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

So right before I started on my A R journey, this happened.

[B]

Well, okay, so. But do you ever listen to someone who's not very known and then like, you put people onto them and then they like, blow up?

[A]

No, I would say I do that more with television.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like, I, I would, I would really hyper fix it. I can really put people onto tv.

[B]

Like, what. What kind of shows can you put me on?

[A]

But they're. I mean, have you seen Industry?

[B]

It's my fucking favorite show. What I think that show is. I. Did you ever see Skins?

[A]

So I couldn't get through it when I was a kid.

[B]

I mean, like.

[A]

Because it really bugged me out when the cast. Whose parents. Who's. Who's the.

[B]

Nick Holtz?

[A]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Who's the one who's like, really trouble? Effie.

[B]

Effie.

[A]

When her parents were like, in front of her, it really bugged me out and I had to turn it off.

[B]

But that's like Euphoria, basically.

[A]

Yeah, but I was too young.

[B]

Like, I think Euphoria took so much from Skins.

[A]

It did.

[B]

But I think Industry is kind of like unofficial sequel to Skins.

[A]

Love Industry. I didn't know that about you.

[B]

I think it's brilliant. I think the first season, first of all, I think Marissa is kind of like, genius. I think she's just so. She has, like, a emotionality to her and hardness. And I think also, you know, that character is so well written. But that first season, season is all about these, like, people trying to find themselves.

[A]

Okay, so the season finale of season three is the best episode of television ever.

[B]

I Mean that like them looking at each other across the table.

[A]

I need a song.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I need an edit of Robin Yasmin to.

[B]

Are you thinking of choosing Texas? Oh, no. Okay.

[A]

Because she. She chose Kid Harrington, which again, you

[B]

know, talking about seeing things on TikTok, she's regretting now from in the new season. Right.

[A]

Yaz doesn't know who she is.

[B]

No. And she. Well, and also, she wasn't just choosing him, she was choosing the life. The life. Yeah. And she can't live without the life.

[A]

She cannot live without the life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She does not know a life where other than that. So I don't think she regrets it at all. I think she's just annoyed. You have to watch the new season. It's unbelievable. It's actually unbelievable. Season 4, Episode 2 Emmy calling their names Calling their names. My roommate is rude and insane and she uses her OCD and depression to play herself as the victim 24 7. She tries to tell me who I can and can't hang out with. And to top it off, she comments on my weight and health. I need to confront her, but she never listens and just slips on us. Why would you comment on your weight and health?

[B]

This is. This is. Has nothing to do with that, but talking about bad roommates. So, you know, I said to you when I first came to LA with seven roommates. Yeah. And I was living on the couch in this. They ran an app out of this house, and one day.

[A]

Oh, sorry.

[B]

They ran an app out of this house. They all worked for this app.

[A]

You were saying apartment.

[B]

Oh, yeah. That's kind of cool. It's like, kind of like app.

[A]

Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I might develop that.

[B]

Okay. So. So. So this always reminds me of that. Did you watch the OC growing up? Okay.

[A]

I guess I'm not Christina Aguilera Umbrella, you know.

[B]

So these. These German guys come in. They're the new roommates who are coming in. And there's this one guy who I. I like to think I'm quite perceptive of people. And I got a really bad vibe off of him.

[A]

Really?

[B]

And I told my best friend, do you know at the Locks Club? You heard of it?

[A]

Yes, I've heard.

[B]

Do you know Austin Kevich?

[A]

Yes, very well.

[B]

He's my best friend. So he. He. I. I have.

[A]

Is your best friend.

[B]

I kind of.

[A]

Julia.

[B]

Yes, of course. I have. I kind of have a career because of Austin. Because when I had no money and I would just book to come out to la, he let me stay on his couch.

[A]

Oh, that's awesome. Austin's the man.

[B]

Oh, he's. He's.

[A]

Are you Jewish?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I just surround myself with juice. Juice? I think.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I told him. I. I was like, austin, this guy. There's something seriously wrong with him. Cut to a couple years later after Covid. Have you heard of.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The whole thing is a complete scam.

[A]

How did it. Scam?

[B]

They're fake. Covert tests.

[A]

What?

[B]

They would fake. I literally. We heard him on the phone, basically putting this whole thing together. I. I don't know if you could include this. There's an FBI case against him.

[A]

Is it public knowledge that there's a case against him?

[B]

I don't know. I don't know. There should be. We're making a documentary.

[A]

You are?

[B]

Well, Austin is, mainly, yeah.

[A]

Oh, so you're on the production side of things a little bit, huh?

[B]

Yeah, I've started producing most of my own stuff.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Good for you. Can you cast me?

[B]

I'm trying to think what you'd be, what you'd be right for.

[A]

I'll do anything. Like Christina Aguilera, burlesque. I know any number.

[B]

There's a movie I'm doing, which is. Do you know who Gus Van Sant is?

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Have you seen My own Private Idaho? He also directed Goodwill Hunting? This guy. Oh, which you also haven't seen.

[A]

Is that the one where I always

[B]

tell by people's reaction with they're pretending that they've seen.

[A]

Is that the one where I'm gonna go see about a girl?

[B]

Oh, I don't remember that line, but yeah. What? How about Them Apples?

[A]

Is that from Goodwill Hunting? Yeah, that's where that saying is from. Goodwill Hunting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How about Them Apples is from Goodwill Hunting?

[B]

Yeah. Matt Damon. Yeah. Anyway, wow. This is a film about one of the first male, like, supermodels in the 90s and how he lived this, like, double life being in the, you know, Studio 54. You love going out and dancing and stuff with, like, Naomi Campbell, Cindy Crawford. And then he lived his double life because he was also in a doomsday cult that was siphoning all of his money. I love cults.

[A]

I love colts, too. Wait, this is the movie that you're currently casting for?

[B]

Well, okay. We're still writing the script, but who knows? Maybe you could be the cult leader. Yeah, because, you know, I could see it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, I could definitely see it.

[A]

J Cat. Wait, so wait, you said you like colts.

[B]

I love cults.

[A]

What's your favorite cult?

[B]

I mean, it's kind of like, basic mainstream to say Scientology, but they're just here. They're here, like, everywhere.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's so interesting.

[A]

They're hiding in plain sight, the Freemasons.

[B]

That interesting?

[A]

I don't think that's real.

[B]

I think it is.

[A]

Oh, yeah. In history.

[B]

I just love. Oh, the one from Wild Wild Country.

[A]

Oh, the best. The best. Well, not the best, but, like, you know what I mean?

[B]

Love it.

[A]

Jake, how have you. Jake, how have you become so comfortable and confident online? Social media seems like such a scary place, but I want to start posting. I live in a very small town, so it's not like there are influencers here at lmao. Any advice for a small town girly wanting to be confident and interesting online? You got press post.

[B]

Oh, you think that's what I think about it?

[A]

Today I literally posted that. I'm tired and I just. That's all I did.

[B]

And people love that about you because you're sharing a part of your life.

[A]

And then I'll tell you, the only reason I posted it is because I want attention.

[B]

Yeah, but that's kind of the reason why anyone posts.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Right? And people want that. Nowadays, people don't want you to be on, like, the COVID of a magazine.

[A]

Right, but I want to be on the COVID of a magazine.

[B]

Wow. Okay.

[A]

But can I just say.

[B]

Wait, wait, can I just say you

[A]

are so online, kind of.

[B]

Only recently, maybe I am online. I've been trying to curate this mysterious Persona, but I just kind of showed my hand. I also think kind of trying to curate a sense of mystery in real life just means you're kind of like a douchebag, because you're just like that. That requires effort and maintenance, you Instagram dump. Yeah, yeah, I do, but to a point, like, there's a lot I don't show. Like, what would you show on your average dump?

[A]

Like, I talk about this all the time. My clothes.

[B]

Oh, are you a big fashionista? I'm like, what's your favorite brand?

[A]

Dior

[B]

before Jonathan Anderson or.

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay, after. So what, did you like Loewe before then? Did you follow him?

[A]

But I love his. I love his. I love his personal brand, jw. I prefer it Die for jwa. My favorite Jack I'll ever own is from jwa.

[B]

I think that's interesting. I used to be the same way when it comes to branding. But is that because. Do you think it's trying to. Is it. Is it the validation thing again?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, if I'm wearing this

[B]

Like, I'm cool because I never had, like, nice stuff like that. Neither did I when I was younger. And it was. I went through a phase where I was like, you know, I had sort of, you know, like, the Prada loafers and stuff like that. And now I kind of, like, I've kind of gone off of that.

[A]

Because you're confident.

[B]

I don't know, you kind of want to let the clothes. I mean, look, what I will say is that you can buy a Henley from, you know, the Gap that looks great, but then if you go somewhere like acne, where it's like, 10 times the cost, you still end up buying that.

[A]

Nicholas, you were very tapped into pop culture in a way that I did not think you were. Really?

[B]

Well, I think because I. I worked with, like, Fendi for a few years. I just think there's something really, like, magical about it. I don't know. And just fun and expression and clothes give you, like, there's no point in buying, like, really nice, beautiful clothes. Like, we don't need them in any way.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But, like, it makes you feel so good when you find, like, a. I mean, amazing jacket or whatever. Yeah.

[A]

There's no better feeling.

[B]

What do you. What do you think about the. The Met?

[A]

Did you. I love it.

[B]

Do you. Do you like the. Sort of.

[A]

But it makes me feel incredibly insecure.

[B]

Oh, why?

[A]

Because I haven't been so. Like, I feel.

[B]

I'd say that's coming, Right.

[A]

No way.

[B]

What,

[A]

you really think so? Yeah, really.

[B]

It's all about what is in, like, the zeitgeist. Right. And you're in the zeitgeist. So I'd say. So it's. But it's also just who, you know, who. Who is going to dress you. You know, for example, like, I.

[A]

Have you been to the mat?

[B]

Yeah, I went a couple of years ago. I've been. I've been working the last couple years. But would you go with Fendi? Well, I. Really kind of. Surreal sentence to say. But I. Fendi dressed me. Because I used to have a contract with them, but Tom Ford got my number through Julianne Moore and asked me. Which is, like, really insane.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And asked me to sit next to him on his table, so.

[A]

Shut up. Yeah, so he went with Fendi and was like, bye.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, you didn't. Did you actually do that?

[B]

They didn't have, like, a table.

[A]

Oh, okay. They just dressed you.

[B]

Yeah, they just dressed me.

[A]

Got it. Got it.

[B]

But, oh, my God, like, what an interesting place. Yeah. I mean, Anna Wintour.

[A]

I I met her once.

[B]

She's nice.

[A]

So nice.

[B]

I really. She'd also seen my. The idea of you had just come out.

[A]

And she had seen it, and she'd

[B]

seen it, and, you know.

[A]

Well, she loves Anne Hathaway down.

[B]

Oh, yeah, she does. You know. You know that she has these people kind of like, in Devil Waste, Prada, who kind of goes, oh, so. And so is.

[A]

Oh, she's really coming.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And I was walking up these long stairs, like, by myself, kind of, like terror.

[A]

I could see she greet everyone.

[B]

Well, so at the top, you know, it's. It's her. And it was Bad Bunny and. And Chris Hemsworth and JLo, who the. The chairs, you know, of the year that I went, and the person, you know, her handler, whatever, was like, coming because I was like, there's no way she's gonna have any idea who I am. But she, like, shooed her away and was like, I saw the idea of you a couple days ago. I love it. Me and my girls saw it, and I was kind of, like, expecting a version of. Yeah. Was she nice to you as well?

[A]

Lovely.

[B]

Yeah. These are very interesting people, you know? Like, why would you not want to, like, be in their presence and, like, you know, absorb their knowledge and everything like that?

[A]

But he said, this is Jake. He's very funny. And she said, you look funny.

[B]

Which could mean it didn't matter what anything.

[A]

I ran outside and told all my friends. I was like, I just. My Anna went to. It was the sickest moment of my life.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. Did you afterparty?

[B]

Not really, no.

[A]

You don't strike me as a big party guy.

[B]

Not for a long time. I don't drink anymore.

[A]

You're sober?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, wow. Good for you.

[B]

Yeah. It's not like, congratulations. It's not like that.

[A]

I was just like. You just were like, I'm over it.

[B]

Yeah. I was, like, drinking a lot in co, and I was like, couldn't be.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And I'm kind of.

[A]

Drinking makes me feel like my vice. My vice is weed. Really, really bad.

[B]

Weed's kind of, like, done now, I feel.

[A]

I know, but, like, it's not cool anymore. Okay, Well, I get it, but, like, I. It makes me feel things that, by the way. And I think in 10 years, it'll come out like, there's alcoholics. Like, they're like, stoner. Like, the word stoner will be used in the same. In the same breath as alcoholism. I really do think so.

[B]

I think it's like, people are like,

[A]

no, I'm like, it's very addictive. I'm very addicted.

[B]

Yeah, like, you have to smoke to sleep.

[A]

No. No. I don't know why. It's just. It's like it's an addiction. Like, I'm addicted. Like, I, I. I, like, like, everything about it makes everything better. I just hate for 10 minutes, and then my whole body starts to ache.

[B]

Do you get anxious?

[A]

What do you think?

[B]

Okay. Okay. Yeah, me too.

[A]

Do I read anxious? No, you're lying. You don't think I read anxious?

[B]

I think you read. I think you. Okay, maybe a bit, but I think it's quite good because. And I think it lets you do what you do, because do you. Do you not like awkward silences?

[A]

I hate it.

[B]

Okay, me too. And do you feel like you have to fill it with conversation, which means, like, it's perfect for what you do? Right.

[A]

Would you, like, come back on the show?

[B]

I would be. I would be honored. I just. This. It's your delivery. But maybe this is why you're good at comedy. I don't believe you.

[A]

You think? Have I made you laugh?

[B]

You have. You have.

[A]

Are you excited for your steroid shot?

[B]

I'm. Oh, my God, I am so excited.

[A]

Text me how it is.

[B]

I'll text you. I will put. You know what I'll do? I'll put. I'll put it on my close friends, a thank you to you, which you will be a part of.

[A]

Okay. But first I have to get your number in order to do that, and then we'll follow each other. Okay, well, we're, like, properly, like, being friends now, but. And we're not whittling. What? Even though I really want to.

[B]

We'll find a time.

[A]

We'll find a time.

[B]

We'll find a time.

[A]

Nicholas, what did we learn today?

[B]

We learned that you're very intelligent.

[A]

A little. Yeah, we learned that you are. You are online.

[B]

We. Yeah, we learned that I'm. I'm. I think I learned that I'm more in line than I thought I was as well.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Or you think it's just an act?

[A]

I. You are so on. Luck. Come on. I mean, you had some deep cuts.

[B]

Wait, what were my deep cuts?

[A]

Like, if I say to you right now, who's your friend? Where's that from?

[B]

Oh, I don't know that.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

What is that?

[A]

What if I said to you I was supposed to be in the video?

[B]

Ah, no, see, I don't know this kind of. Okay, go on. What was that?

[A]

You know, you've never seen who's Your friend.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. I say you're gonna be.

[B]

Oh, oh, oh. See, I see. I can't help it because I know who it's. Madison Beer. Yes.

[A]

You're so nice. The biggest deep cut of all time. I see you're gonna beat me up on Twitter all the time. Who's your friend?

[B]

Is that even a deep cut anymore,

[A]

though, Nicholas, for you? You are a 31 year old British man. So true.

[B]

Oh, my God. I have no right to know that.

[A]

How do you know who's your friend?

[B]

It's so iconic, isn't it?

[A]

And who is she talking about in the who's your friend video?

[B]

It's. It's the. The guy is the fan who's been talking about her on Twitter. On Twitter. Okay. I am.

[A]

That's what we learned. You are so online you see all just like, you know, a God, which you play in your new movie Masters of the Universe, which is out now. I ate that little bit.

[B]

That was. That was amazing.

[A]

Okay. Do you know about Debby Ryan?

[B]

I spoke to the CEO of Disney. Is that. Yeah. Okay. Okay, guys. But like, look, you know, you know that if you, if you spend like an hour like just watching on TikTok, like the, like the great, like you can consume all that. I promise you I'm not that.

[A]

What about. I got a little bit of blue going on. Who's that?

[B]

Oh, crap. Okay, I feel like I do know

[A]

that for the teen Vogue party I got a little blue going on.

[B]

It's not Katy Perry, is it? No. Who's that?

[A]

Selena Gomez. Oh, and you know. Who's your friend?

[B]

No, but that's so. Because now I think I've seen a lot of people like, like do it over and over again. Like, like they've, they've.

[A]

What's your friend? Yeah, actually my favorite video of all time.

[B]

It's very good. It's very, very good.

[A]

Nicholas.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Jake, thanks for having the airworthy.

[B]

You're so welcome. You're so welcome.

[A]

Thanks for being on the show.

[B]

I've basically interviewed him for this. Do people usually ask you this much question? Okay, okay. This is how it should be. Conversation, Right?

[A]

That's what I thought. And look, you're happy and you had a good time and you're happy. You're gonna have a steroid shot.

[B]

Swe.

[A]

Okay, wait, wait. Before you leave.

[B]

Goodbye, pussies.