Session 126: Bowen Yang

Summary

Podcast Summary: Therapuss with Jake Shane

Session 126: Bowen Yang
Release Date: June 11, 2026
Guests: Bowen Yang, Louise (recurring guest/friend)
Theme: Deep-dive, hilarious, and heartfelt therapy-style conversation exploring current life changes, culture, pop fandom, queer experiences, and advice to listener-submitted dilemmas.

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Episode Overview

This episode of Therapuss with Jake Shane features comedian, SNL alum, and podcast icon Bowen Yang joining Jake and the ever-present Louise. The trio sinks into a delightfully chaotic and candid chat about adjusting to major life changes, queer culture, summer plans, the intricacies of pop stardom and fandom, wellness trends, and the bizarre beauty of niche reality TV. As usual, they answer fan-submitted advice questions, mixing genuine empathy with signature irreverence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Life Updates & Summer Plans

• Jake Updates: Wrist tendonitis, recent trip to Monaco, endless TV bingeing, and excitement over watching old friends' vlogs and upcoming trips.
• Louise & Bowen: Post-SNL weirdness, feeling "chopped" (reset), big summer travel plans (Vegas, France, Dusseldorf, London), and looking forward to more unstructured fun.
• Social Media Nostalgia:
  • Deep nostalgia for Facebook party invites and digital cameras ([08:01]).
  • Instagram dumps are "an art" – Jake, "My last one, everyone was like, it’s really good" ([09:16]).
  • Grieving the digital past: "No, the cringe was everything. The soul cycle..." ([23:52]).

Dating & City Differences

• Dating in LA vs. NY:
  • LA is "harder": "Everyone works in entertainment... In NY, I meet men out, people are more confident" ([14:07]).
  • Summer romance and "fantasy New York day": Working out, drinking, then seeing where the night takes you ([16:22]).
  • "In LA, you’re in a car constantly, or you’re home" ([14:27]).

Pop Culture Fandom

• Culture Awards Hype:
  • Giddy anticipation for Las Culturistas Culture Awards and last year’s event being "the best night of my life" ([20:03]).
  • Backstage moments, campaign stories, and comedic chaos with guests like Meg Stalter: "No one does it like her" ([34:32]).
• Stanning Artists (Ari, Taylor, Sabrina, etc.):
  • "She's about to announce something new, perhaps. She's a workaholic. Could not be me" ([11:54]).
  • Bowen and Louise's deep dives into pop performances, Ari concerts, and Addison Rae stanning ([39:02]).
• Reality TV Rabbit Holes:
  • Unmatched obsession with Real Housewives, Bad Girls Club, Baddies, and America's Next Top Model ([42:00–46:15]).
  • "I only do old," says Jake about Next Top Model ([46:19]); nostalgia reigns.

Mental & Physical Health

• Chronic Back Pain:
  • Shared woes and wellness hacks: dry needling ("Dry needling. For sure" — Louise, [50:31]), back massage TikToks, and the "iceberg effect" in working out ([19:05]).
• Therapy of Friendship:
  • Power of chosen family, mother-daughter roles, and how humor heals.

Technology, Games, and Food

• Nintendo Switch & Pokémon:
  • Jake: "I'm a Pokémon guy. … If there’s a new Pokémon game on the Switch 2, I am going to play it" ([32:29]).
  • Kylie Jenner as Zelda-obsessed gamer ([32:04]).
• Food Nostalgia:
  • NYC treats, New Fork City Instagram, "Delilah for kids" restaurant concept ([24:22–24:49]).
  • Sweets & Snacks Expo, CCO jobs, and dreams of a Jake & Bowen candy collab ([25:07]).

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Listener Advice Segment

("Tell Me What's Wrong" – Original Language & Tone Preserved)

Money, Dating, Roommates & Boundaries

• Wedding/Bachelorette Dilemma:
  • "If you can't spend the money, you just have to tell her, I can't... If she's a real friend, she’ll understand" ([47:08]).
• Paying for Boyfriend:
  • "Cold Venmo request will catch him off guard. Maybe be like, 'Hey, can I Venmo request you for this?'" ([47:32]).
• Roommate Issues:
  • "No, certainly not [the problem]" ([68:10]).
  • "You should watch that new movie Roommates on Netflix" ([68:11]).
• Boundaries with Ex-Stepbrother:
  • "Embrace it. Embrace the crazy. Be like, my life is so not normal... start making light of it." — Jake ([56:24]).
• Shame & Meds:
  • "That's not even a funny joke. All my friends are on meds. Every single one." ([60:57])
  • "Those are not your friends" ([60:35]).

Work & Social Scenarios

• Workplace Smells:
  • "HR. That is exactly what HR is meant to help with." ([52:37])
• Coworkers Joking About Lexapro:
  • "You. Why would you want to be friends with people that stupid? Period." ([60:37])
• Packages & Privacy:
  • "My advice would be to stop having your shit sent to the hotel." ([57:30])

Relationships

• Partner Using ChatGPT for Intimacy Issues:
  • "You can be like, I saw your fucking ChatGPT messages, you freak." ([61:42])
  • "Your boyfriend hates women and does not want you to experience joy and you should break up with him." ([62:40])
• Being Cheated On:
  • "Watch John Tucker Must Die and you collab with the girls." ([63:12])

Memorable Quotes

• "Let women have vibrators." — Louise ([62:11])
• "Make art about it. Truly, make art." — Jake, on using weird stories as creative fuel ([56:36])
• "That's not funny. … All my friends are on meds. Every single one of my friends. Are you on meds? … You're healed!" ([60:55])

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Notable Quotes and Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Leaving SNL/Change:
  • "I feel like I'm chopped, clapped. I'm done in this town." — Bowen, [05:52]
• On Social Media Pre-Instagram:
  • "Facebook was fucking awesome. I miss it every day." — Jake, [08:01]
• Boundaries & Growth:
  • "My circle has gotten smaller, which is just a factor of age. … I don't have to spend too much energy bringing someone up to speed." — Louise, [36:49]
• The Art of the Instagram Dump:
  • "Here are my friends. Here are the places I've been. Here's my body. And these are the clothes I'm wearing." — Jake, [09:25]
• Enduring Friendship:
  • "Mother, daughter. Like, mother, daughter." — Jake & Louise on their dynamic, [67:48]
• On Pop Fandom:
  • "We had tears in our eyes. … The Culture Awards were the best night of my life." — Jake, [20:17], [19:59]
• On Non-Normative Life Paths:
  • "Embrace the crazy. Be like, my life is so not normal." — Jake, [56:25]
• On Ostracism & Finding Your People:
  • "You. Why would you want to be friends with people that stupid? Period." — Jake, [60:37]
• Irreverent Take on Breakups:
  • "Watch John Tucker Must Die and you collab with the girls." — Jake, [63:12]

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Noteworthy Segments & Timestamps

• Post-SNL Life & Self-Reinvention: [05:46–06:37]
• Social Apps & Dating App Anxiety: [06:49–07:15]
• Pop Trash & Culture Awards: [19:43–21:07]; [34:01–36:33]
• Gym & Wellness Chat: [18:17–19:19]
• Reality TV Deep Dive: [42:00–46:15]
• Fan Advice Segment Begins: [46:19]; rapid-fire dilemmas and advice throughout [46:19–67:11]
• Discussion on Internet Snark & Online Hate: [69:20–70:18]
• Friendship Origins (Bowen and Matt Rogers): [65:55–66:50]
• End-of-Episode Reflections and Compliments: [71:40–74:40]

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Wrap-up and Takeaways

This episode delivers signature Therapuss energy: hilarious, chaotic, deeply affectionate, and grounded in real queer (and general millennial) experience. Bowen, Jake, and Louise dissect the ridiculous and the real, making space for both vulnerability and absolute camp. Whether they're previewing the Culture Awards, reminiscing about NYC in the 2010s, offering savage-yet-loving advice, or commiserating about pains (physical and existential), this is a must-listen for anyone who loves a conversational therapy session with a twist.

Bowen closes with gratitude, Louise doles out last-minute wisdom, and Jake keeps it sentimental:
"I could talk to you for three hours, literally." ([71:40])

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Next up: Watch the Las Culturistas Culture Awards, June 17th on Peacock or Bravo, and keep following Therapuss for more unfiltered, love-filled therapy sessions with the best of pop and comedy culture.

Transcript

[Louise]

So good, so good, so good.

[Jake]

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[Louise]

God, I love you.

[Jake]

I love you. Can I tell you something?

[Louise]

I just. I think such fond thoughts, me every time.

[Jake]

Well, I'm your daughter.

[Louise]

You're my daughter? Yes, My daughter.

[Jake]

My daughter.

[Louise]

Daughter. And I just congratulated you on this new venture.

[Jake]

Oh, my conscious venture.

[Louise]

Please spell it for me.

[Jake]

K A, T, J, E, S. Did

[Louise]

I sound so stupid when I said conscious?

[Jake]

No. What? It's not your brand.

[Louise]

Sure. Yet.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

What if I just went in there

[Jake]

and I took it? I think I'd be better. Took it?

[Louise]

No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't dare. Were you. Were you protective, Possessive, growing up?

[Jake]

What is that?

[Louise]

What is that now? I'm just saying. Were you, like, very. Like, this is mine? Because if I were to come out from under and steal that title from you, you would.

[Jake]

Well, yeah, but, like. But I think I. I think I would. You label me as that type of kid? That'd be like, mine. I think I was a good sharer.

[Louise]

I'm sure you were.

[Jake]

I think I was a good sharer. I don't like sharing the spotlight.

[Louise]

That's great. That's totally fair. Because it's not meant to be on more than one person. That's why there's a spotlight. You're. You're telling the audience where to look, and it can't be more than one place.

[Jake]

You're right.

[Louise]

That's it.

[Jake]

How are you? I'm.

[Louise]

We both have excruciating back pain.

[Jake]

Mine feels. It's had better.

[Louise]

Good.

[Jake]

But it was really, really bad for a minute. Yeah, it was. There was a knot between my shoulder and my, like, rib. And, like, it's not the back. It was right. Like, right here.

[Louise]

Oh, okay.

[Jake]

It's, like, right here. And I was, like, addict. And I think I massaged it out.

[Louise]

Oh, good for you.

[Jake]

Yeah. But I also got it cracked three times.

[Louise]

Yeah, you did.

[Jake]

How is life post snl? Weird. Yeah.

[Louise]

I feel like I'm chopped, clapped. I'm done in this town.

[Jake]

What?

[Louise]

Yeah, but it was.

[Jake]

You wanted. You were ready.

[Louise]

Of course, but I know. I just. I'm constantly readjusting. I think I'll. I think I'll be in that mode for a while, and that's fine. You know what I mean? It's like. Well, what were you. What were you, like, the fall after graduating high school?

[Jake]

I was very. Actually, I felt.

[Louise]

It's okay if you were.

[Jake]

I was a mix of both.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I was a mix of, like, I feel chopped, but also, like, I feel like I had this amazing job that I was, like, so obsessed with.

[Louise]

Can I. Can I say you're. I think your Raya profile still says you're, like. Yeah.

[Jake]

And global marketing coordinator at 10K Projects.

[Louise]

So what is so. And is that a little conversation starter?

[Jake]

No, I just didn't know. Okay. So. Actually, it's so funny you bring that up, because at dinner last night, I was with these girls, and they were like, you know, you don't need to have a job on there. Because I didn't know what to put, like, personality. I thought if I.

[Louise]

Hell on earth to think about that.

[Jake]

I thought if I put, like, comedian, people would be like, you're not.

[Louise]

Right.

[Jake]

What does yours say?

[Louise]

Uh, I don't think I have. I don't think I have a title because I. I. Because I knew I. You just sit backspace. Backspace, backspace.

[Jake]

Yeah. So I don't. I don't have a title. You.

[Louise]

Wait, you know. You know what? I saw some gay guy on reels. Ugh, listen to that sentence. Some gay guy on reels was like, the new dating app is partiful. In what world you zero in on a. On someone you see going to an event that you're going to. You'll go, I'll meet that per. I'll see that person there you call your target before you go to the event.

[Jake]

Oh, okay. That's how interesting.

[Louise]

Part of a culture, though, it means that, like, people don't necessarily show up.

[Jake]

Right?

[Louise]

Because I certainly should. Don't show up to 95 of my partiful stuff.

[Jake]

I love getting a part of it. But can I say, though, partiful does not touch a Facebook party invite.

[Louise]

Do those still happen?

[Jake]

No. And when they did, you're right.

[Louise]

We didn't know how good we had it.

[Jake]

No, I knew. I knew. I. Because I didn't get invited to them for a while. And then when I started getting invited to, like, Facebook parties, like, do you remember the rush? And you would, like, there would be a bio for it and everyone would comment and like, Facebook was where it was at.

[Louise]

You're right.

[Jake]

Facebook was fucking awesome. I miss it every day. I miss Facebook every day.

[Louise]

But because you. You feel a certain sort of malaise around the other platforms, probably you're like, God, this is like, Facebook was just

[Jake]

awesome because, like, I loved uploading an album.

[Louise]

Yes. Oh, my God, Facebook was like the perfect app. You're right.

[Jake]

It was perfect.

[Louise]

Absolutely. Did you. Were you of the time when you would have to USB stick in your digital camera? No. Okay. God bless. That was actually. I actually maybe feel like we're going to return to that. And also, it was a nice time. It was a nice time when you had to, like, really select your photos to then share it with the world. Unlike now when you, like, open up your camera when it's like 75,000 images. What the hell is.

[Jake]

Oh, well, you favorite. No, I love an Instagram dump. That's what I'm really into these days.

[Louise]

You have mastered the art.

[Jake]

Shut up.

[Louise]

You have.

[Jake]

Have you noticed?

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

My last one, everyone was like, is really good.

[Louise]

What do you do? What do you think are, like, the hallmarks, the trademarks of addiction?

[Jake]

Dumb. Like, here's who I'm. Here are my friends. Here are the places I've been.

[Louise]

Here's my body.

[Jake]

Here's my body. And these are the clothes I'm wearing.

[Louise]

Okay, so it's.

[Jake]

So it's all about appearance.

[Louise]

No, no, no, of course. And I mean, at this point, like, we're all hip to it. Like, okay, so you're saying appearance. No, no, no, sorry. Body, friends, shopping. And what was the other one? You're the places I've been.

[Jake]

Yeah, the places I've been. It's like, oh, like my latest. I was like, in LA and New York, so I was like. I said, I made the caption April into May.

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

And then my song was need for Speed because it's amazing. Have you been listening, compatriots?

[Louise]

Need for Speed.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

I love it.

[Jake]

It's amazing.

[Louise]

It's amazing. I'm so happy.

[Jake]

How are you feeling about the summer coming up?

[Louise]

I forget that it's happening. I think I'm excited. I think I'm excited.

[Jake]

I'm excited.

[Louise]

Well, I just. You can never bet on anything too hard, you know what I mean? You, I can't bet on. Like, I'm gonna have it. You, I cannot confidently say it's gonna be an amazing summer.

[Jake]

Do you have plans?

[Louise]

Not really.

[Jake]

Fire Island?

[Louise]

Yeah. One week in July. I'm gonna see Ari at Barclays. We're go together.

[Jake]

Really?

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

Are you.

[Louise]

You're my daughter. I'm sorry. I would love to go with your daughter.

[Jake]

Barclays?

[Louise]

Yes, please.

[Jake]

Oh, I'm so excited.

[Louise]

I would love that.

[Jake]

When is it?

[Louise]

July? No. What are you doing?

[Jake]

I'm in Greece.

[Louise]

But I'm so sad that you can't come to Ari with me.

[Jake]

I know. I'm kind of actually now a little stressed that, though that's when those dates are. When is LA opening?

[Bowen]

That.

[Louise]

She's opening in Oakland.

[Jake]

Yeah, we're planning on going to Oakland.

[Louise]

Yeah. Like, how are you feeling about Petal? Petal sort of overlapping into this live experience? Well, because by. By the time she starts, the album will not be out. She'll probably perform some songs and then. I know nothing, by the way. Honest to God, I know nothing.

[Jake]

And I believe you.

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

I love it because it's so, like, ultimate pop diva. I can do whatever I want.

[Louise]

Totally.

[Jake]

I can start the tour and release an album in the middle of the tour and do whatever the fuck I want.

[Louise]

It's very like Taylor. It's. Well, it's very Taylor. It's very Sabrina, too. Like Sabrina doing, like, Memphis around in the middle of sweet. Short and sweet. And then kind of. I think she's about to announce something new, perhaps.

[Jake]

Is she?

[Louise]

That's the. That's the. The scuttlebutt.

[Jake]

That's the Scott. She's a workaholic.

[Louise]

Couldn't be me.

[Jake]

Couldn't. Could not.

[Louise]

Oh, wait, can I try the gummies? Can I try that?

[Jake]

Oh, yes.

[Louise]

No, no, it's okay. It's okay.

[Jake]

All right, try that.

[Louise]

Oh, my God. I'm taking two.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

Oh, my God, these colors.

[Jake]

No, you're going to die. You're actually die. They're actually. Do you like sour?

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

Oh, my No, I. And the. I know. And I know.

[Louise]

To die.

[Jake]

To die. Right. Like, really good.

[Louise]

Jake, I'm so happy for you.

[Jake]

Thank you.

[Louise]

This is like my. We were saying the car, like, that's like our dream job is to work for a gummy.

[Jake]

Yeah. You know, in August we're going to Dusseldorf.

[Louise]

Fun. Well, how do you feel about that? Is that the gummy capital?

[Jake]

That's where. That's where Conscious headquarters is.

[Louise]

Oh, are you. Have you been to Germany?

[Jake]

No, never.

[Louise]

I think we should go to Berlin.

[Jake]

Oh, I want to go to. Yeah.

[Louise]

And it was just. It's just like. Berliners are just like so lovely and sweet and cool and earnest and like a way that, like. Oh, it feels so. Not New York or la where everyone's trying to be like someone posture.

[Jake]

LA is the worst with it, though. New York, New York. New York is much better. Louisiana is the worst. I can't find a man in LA to save my life.

[Louise]

What was. You've talked about this, but I just. Just gay to. Gay, like mother to daughter.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

What would. What would. What would you say is like the defining thing about the. About LA dating for you?

[Jake]

That you were like, I think LA is. I don't know what it is. It's just harder there. It's just. I think everyone works in entertainment or wants to work in entertainment, which isn't.

[Louise]

No bad.

[Jake]

New York is about, like, we care about what you're like as a person a little bit.

[Louise]

We care about shopping.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Louise]

The places you go.

[Jake]

Rule of culture.

[Louise]

Culture. We care about these things. I totally get it. Well, I think L. A is. I think people are. And I think New York is guilty of this too. It's like people are thinking about the upgrade, but it's also.

[Jake]

It's harder to congregate in la. In New York. Like, in New York, I meet men out. Like, but people will ask for my number out. Or like, really. It happened once and it was very exciting. But, like, I'll also, like, I'll find it, like, I just like, more confident in New York. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is.

[Louise]

This is the perfect time of year.

[Jake]

It's the perfect time of year. It's hot out, you're outside, you're. You're drinking, you're like having fun. And then you're like, you feel confident. Whereas in LA you're drive. You're in a car constantly. Or you're home. I'm home. Or in a car.

[Louise]

Totally. We are recording this. I'm Sorry to.

[Jake]

We.

[Louise]

We can cut this out. We're recording this on the day of the Magdala.

[Jake]

No, keep it in. We are recording this.

[Louise]

This.

[Jake]

We are recording this on the day.

[Louise]

I'd rather have one day a year in a city where it's like. It's just. It all fucking comes out in one big, like, ugly.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

Moment of, like, the pageantry and, like, the status and.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

The appearance of it all.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Louise]

And get it out of the way.

[Jake]

And then. And then you're good.

[Louise]

Because after tonight, it's like, all right, let's. Let's. Let's keep it moving.

[Jake]

Award season's over. Met Gala season's over. Like, well, Met Gala weekend's over. And now we can just have fun.

[Louise]

I can't wait for you to experience that. I'm not that. You already have.

[Jake]

No, I haven't.

[Louise]

Really?

[Jake]

I don't think so. I. Well, I know. I. Yeah, I haven't been having much fun. I'm excited because I have stuff coming up that I'm excited to have fun. And I'm going to France. I'm going to Vegas.

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

All with my friends.

[Louise]

France. Vegas. Then Dusseldorf.

[Jake]

It's Vegas. France. New York. Paris. Which I've never been to.

[Louise]

Paris, France.

[Jake]

I've never been to Paris, love. And I'm so excited.

[Louise]

Oh, my God. It's the best.

[Jake]

And then France again.

[Louise]

Oh, my God.

[Jake]

And then Paris again.

[Louise]

Or a different part of France. South Cannes.

[Jake]

Tropez.

[Louise]

Oh, fun.

[Jake]

And then London for a wedding.

[Louise]

You, Jake. That's such a great summer.

[Jake]

I know. I'm so excited.

[Louise]

I'm so thrilled for you and.

[Jake]

Yeah, I'm really excited. I just want to, like, go out and about.

[Louise]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So what's, like, the fan? Well, let's keep it to New York. What's the fantasy? New York, summer day. Like, what are you.

[Jake]

Oh, okay. I wake up. I work out.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Because I just, like, feel good. Maybe, like, just mentally just to feel good. Like, so I can feel confident throughout the rest of my day.

[Louise]

Yep.

[Jake]

And then maybe, like, 3pm it's still hot out. And we go to, like, Times Square and just start drinking.

[Louise]

Yep.

[Jake]

See where the night takes us.

[Louise]

And that's. Oh, see, this is perfectly loose.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

Unstructured.

[Jake]

Like, that's. I mean, I had a night like that the other night, and it took me out of commission for. I mean, you can say it. A week. A real week. Like, I looked at Louise and I said, like, it's. This is bad.

[Louise]

Louise.

[Jake]

Wait, you ride for Louise?

[Louise]

Can I Say. Can I say on the way, Like, I was just with Matt, and I was like, oh, my God, I'm so excited to see Jake. And. And I said, God, I hope Louise is there, because, Louise, it's not that you're. You're an incredible person, but I also am just obsessed with the name. We don't get Louise's anymore.

[Jake]

We don't.

[Louise]

And it's a French.

[Bowen]

Well, I used to hate it, and now in my adult life, I love it.

[Louise]

Oh, it's a fabulous name. Oh, it's just a wonderful name. No, I ride hard for Louise.

[Jake]

Yeah, you and Matt. You and Matt were, like, the first to ride hard for Louise. Really? Yes. I feel like.

[Louise]

I feel like Louise is Louise. I feel like you're such a figure in. In the pussyverse.

[Jake]

Here she goes in the seat that she wanted all along.

[Bowen]

It's just so much more comfortable.

[Jake]

Of course.

[Louise]

You're not gonna.

[Jake]

Yeah, Louise is a figure in my place.

[Louise]

As a figure. Wait, can I ask Was. Was that because you were in Cannes with us, right, last year.

[Jake]

Always. She's always in cam with me.

[Louise]

So Matt describes your meeting in the gym as you, like, doing the machine incorrectly for two seconds and then leaving.

[Jake]

Yes, Because.

[Louise]

Because. Because of things.

[Jake]

Oh, was that.

[Louise]

Was this you, like, was that. Was that, like, your. Be the beginning of your, like, your gym obsession? Your new gym obsession?

[Jake]

No, it was the start. It was like the. Yeah, Yeah. I guess it was the start of me, like, trying to work out. But now if I went to the gym alone, I could do workouts.

[Louise]

You know what you're doing?

[Jake]

I know what I'm doing.

[Louise]

That's amazing.

[Jake]

See?

[Louise]

And I always. I'm like.

[Jake]

And I was. Sorry.

[Louise]

No, no, no, go.

[Jake]

I was, like, looking at Matt, I was like, oh, my God. He, like, doing pull ups. I was like, what the fuck is going on here?

[Louise]

It's just.

[Jake]

But I can do that now.

[Louise]

That's amazing because it's just about like. It's. The gym is like a hot stove to people, and they don't want to touch it. They don't want to go too close to it. But all you have to do is put on oven mitts. All you have to do is make it somewhat safe for yourself, and then it'll start to fall into place.

[Jake]

Well, my trainer calls it the iceberg effect.

[Louise]

Oh, yeah.

[Jake]

So it's like, once. And I actually don't know why he calls it that, because I don't know.

[Louise]

You start at the tip, and then you get to the bottom, which is Much more in depth.

[Jake]

Oh. Oh, I still don't get it.

[Louise]

Okay, so you know how, like, an iceberg, only a small part of the iceberg is above water?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

It's just. Look at Google a picture of an iceberg, right? And you'll see this much, and then the rest of it is, like, this much.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Louise]

And so you're hitting the tip of the iceberg. Are you following me?

[Jake]

Yes, yes, I hit the tip.

[Louise]

Hit the tip. And then beneath the surface, there's so much more.

[Jake]

You know what we do need to talk about quickly. Not just for promo purposes, but because it was the best night of Louise and I's life. And. And I don't say that lightly. I do not enjoy events. I do not enjoy going anywhere.

[Louise]

Oh, my God.

[Jake]

The Culture Awards.

[Louise]

Oh, my God, Jake.

[Jake]

Were the best night of my life.

[Louise]

Stop.

[Jake]

And by the way, that is hard to do at a taping. It was a taping. So, like, you know what I mean? Like, you have to. You have to, like, Sometimes things have to, like, reset throughout the entire night. Best night in my life.

[Louise]

Oh, my God, Jake.

[Jake]

Best night of my life. Louise and I were teenage, tears in our eyes.

[Louise]

I felt like I had to really redeem myself because I felt like I came onto your Radio City show and I bombed and killed the vibe in that room. So you felt that way.

[Jake]

I was like, people were so excited that you guys were the guests.

[Louise]

I was like, oh, look at me and my cortisol face. And then the silence. 5,000 people, dead silent.

[Jake]

That is not true. That is not true. You guys were the perfect guest, and I had so much fun. But the Culture Awards were like, thank

[Louise]

you for doing them, by the way. Wait, if you're in LA end of May, I'm not. It's totally fine. Because we had heard from the talent people. They were like, jake, Shane wants to come back. We're like, yes, thank God. And then some. For some reason, it fell off, and I was like, yeah, no problem.

[Jake]

Brett, my dear. My best friend Brett is doing a big run club in New York. That's a.

[Louise]

That's a huge ask to get your friends to run.

[Jake]

But she. You know what she's doing for me? Coming to Las Vegas for sweets and snacks.

[Louise]

Wait, what's sweets and snacks?

[Jake]

Yes, sweets and snacks. Exposition or expo? Is that what you're short for?

[Louise]

Exposition.

[Jake]

It's a big candy convention, and she's coming, and Brett does not like to travel when she doesn't need to. She. So I really, really appreciate her coming.

[Louise]

That's Also so well balanced too, because she's having you do something healthy and. And then, and then.

[Jake]

And I do like to run.

[Louise]

That's. I'm so jealous.

[Jake]

Well, I. I like to run because after you feel like you are everything, of course. But I only run in group settings. I can't run alone or else I'll stop. Like, I have to run and someone has to be like, keep going.

[Louise]

That's great.

[Jake]

Keep going.

[Louise]

And are you like that, like group fitness classes?

[Jake]

No, I. I used to be. I used to only do group fitness classes, but now I have a trainer that is like, keep going, love. Keep going.

[Louise]

I know. I used to be. Really? God, I used to. There was a time when I soul cycled. I mean, like every other white girl in pr.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

And what.

[Jake]

What year did you start soul cycling?

[Louise]

2015. 16.

[Jake]

I started 2013. I was 13 years old. I was 13 years old.

[Louise]

We were like, clear.

[Jake]

I have a photo of me with braces on and they gave me a cupcake. They would give you a cupcake from.

[Louise]

Of course.

[Jake]

Let me see it. Is it closed now? If it's closed now, it's.

[Louise]

That.

[Jake]

That's it.

[Louise]

Yeah, it's close. Okay. Crumbs. So you were. You were 13 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 13 years old.

[Jake]

Barista Manny. Yes, I was. Wow. God.

[Louise]

God. Just I. Can I say something? I missed that time. Dude, not that like, Milk Bar and Soul Cycle have like gone New Fork City. What's that?

[Jake]

Come on. New Fork City. You know.

[Louise]

You know, Michelle knows. Michelle knows everything.

[Jake]

It was this Instagram account and all I would do all day, it was like overheard LA for food in New York and you would DM them photos of food and just pray to God that they would post it. My God, yes. Yeah. And they put me on to a million places. Do you remember Spice Market?

[Louise]

Of course I remember Spice Market.

[Jake]

Why did it close?

[Louise]

Why did it close?

[Jake]

It was amaz. It was two stories.

[Louise]

So many, so many places. Just. But I just. I'm just saying, like, we all look back and like, haha, look at how lame we were back then. But I'm like, I had fun.

[Jake]

No, the cringe was everything. The soul cycle.

[Louise]

Oh, come on. Like, blowing out the candle felt so nice.

[Jake]

So nice. Oh my God. Blowing the fucking eucalyptus candle.

[Louise]

Come on.

[Jake]

And it smells so good.

[Louise]

Lemon verbena, whatever. It is like, it was just nice.

[Jake]

And did you ever live on the Upper west side?

[Louise]

No, but I kind of low key. I'm like, I would like it. It's so. It's. I don't know. It just feels so cinematic.

[Jake]

It is. It's very Vampire Weekend.

[Louise]

It's very.

[Jake]

It's very Vampire Weekend. Did you ever go to Sugar and Plummet? No. So Sugar and Plum was a. The. My God. I'm trying. I need to figure out a way to describe. It was a restaurant.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Jake]

And as a part of the restaurant, there was a candy corner where you could, like, put candy in a bag and get candy. But they had, like, these, like, Belgian waffles with, like, ice cream and, like, chicken tenders and fries. It was like Delilah for kids.

[Louise]

Delilah.

[Jake]

And instead of alcohol, they had candy,

[Louise]

which is just which. Which all ages love.

[Jake]

Right.

[Louise]

Tell me more about sweets and. What is it?

[Jake]

Sweet sweets and snacks.

[Louise]

Sweets and snacks, yes. So you've been before?

[Jake]

No, never. This is my first time because I am now CCO of Cutches.

[Louise]

Oh, my God. I'm just. This is my dream. If there are any sweets and snacks

[Jake]

companies out there, I do Bow and Kutches collab. I'm serious.

[Louise]

Little glasses.

[Jake]

Yes, Little glasses. Yes. We can make them. You can make conscious. Is like, the thing about conscious that I love so much is they're down for whatever. They have glasses. Gummies. They have glasses.

[Louise]

That's really, really in another.

[Jake]

Another one of their companies. But yes.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Jake]

Do you sit on any board?

[Louise]

No. Oh, I have one foundation, but that's what foundation called the Necessary foundation. And it helps. It helps queer filmmakers get their projects made. But, like, I just started, like, a few months ago.

[Jake]

Oh, well, you just started it, so meaningful things will begin to happen.

[Louise]

Yes, but. No, but Adam Goldman, this. The wonderful man who started it, is, like, sending me the loveliest, gentlest text, being like, hey, like, let me know if you, like, go through your contacts at some point. And I'm like, totally.

[Jake]

Well, I need to help out with anything.

[Louise]

Oh, my God. Please.

[Jake]

Yes, please. Speaking of gay stuff, when is Pride

[Louise]

the month of June?

[Jake]

No, I know it's in June, but what weekend?

[Louise]

And I actually feel like it's. I mean, it's not. It's both weird and fine that it's, like, not as corporate anymore.

[Jake]

Did it? Oh, well, it used to be.

[Louise]

It used to be like every fucking bank in the world had something. And now it's like everyone. Now that everyone's homophobic again, they're like, just. Yeah, it's. It has some of my. It's. I've had some of my best memories and some of my, like, most had to pee memories in New York City. Most had to pee. Mem. I Just. It's just you're standing there, but it's like you just have to pee, but it doesn't matter because you're just, like, enjoying it.

[Jake]

What's the worst you've ever had to pee? Because I know mine.

[Louise]

I don't think about having to pee as much. Coachella. I feel like I always have to pass this past Coachella. I felt like I had to walk across the entire grounds to pee. And. Oh, my God, the only time I've been like, no to pictures is standing at like 11pm in the smelliest tent at Coachella with the porta potties. Like, someone on Molly is like, can we take a picture? And I'm like, not here. I'm so sorry.

[Jake]

Yeah, that's your boundaries.

[Louise]

You just can't do it. Next.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

And piss.

[Jake]

Yeah, you can.

[Louise]

But Coachella was recently, I think I. I have so many memories of about almost my pants and the times that I've shot my pants so clear in my.

[Jake]

I shot my pants. The last time I shot my pants was more recent than I would like to. That's okay.

[Louise]

But you know what? The word. This is the worst part of shitting your pants. It's like if you have to, like, travel after the. After the moment and you gotta, like.

[Jake]

What?

[Louise]

You gotta, like, keep it. Keep it. Keep it in the groin so it doesn't fall down a pant leg.

[Jake]

Oh, okay.

[Louise]

You know what?

[Jake]

I really. My pants then was in college my freshman year.

[Louise]

That's not that. That's not that recent.

[Jake]

No, no. But I thought you were talking about, like, chardonnay.

[Louise]

Oh, I see. No, we start all the time. No, everyone sharks.

[Jake]

Everyone sharks.

[Louise]

It's like. It's just not how.

[Jake]

It just happens.

[Louise]

It just happens.

[Jake]

People just don't talk about it.

[Louise]

I'm so. I have no qualms about talking about it. Shark. Always.

[Jake]

Always a shark.

[Louise]

It's always wet. You don't have it. You don't have a dry shirt.

[Jake]

How could you.

[Louise]

Wouldn't it be crazy if you sharded and it was like a full, like piece of. Full cylinder. Yeah.

[Jake]

Piece of.

[Louise]

Sorry.

[Jake]

But the time I had to pee.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

The hardest.

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

Was I was en route to Gov Ball and we were stuck in traffic and I. You know when you have to pee so bad, like, you actually think, like, you are going to die. Like, you think, like, your bladder is going to explode and you're going to actually physically die.

[Louise]

It's just awful.

[Jake]

It's really awful.

[Louise]

And. And I think. I think that's. That's good. That's like the human brain. That's evolution. Like treating that as like a life threatening situation, which it kind of is.

[Jake]

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[Louise]

Wait, where you should be a gamer again.

[Jake]

I know. Well, I just got a Nintendo Switch 2. 2. And I. I took. You know who is the biggest Nintendo Switch Legend of Zelda fan? You. You actually won't believe it.

[Louise]

I. Wait, I think I know this. A Zelda fan?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

Rihanna. Who?

[Jake]

Kylie Jenner.

[Louise]

Are you kidding me?

[Jake]

No. Swear to God. Swear to God. And she put me onto it.

[Louise]

We have a. We have a thing in common now.

[Jake]

Yes. Okay. But I tried to play the Legend of Zelda.

[Louise]

Which one? Breath of the Wild.

[Jake]

Breath of the Wild. It is very. I'm a Pokemon guy.

[Louise]

Of course.

[Jake]

Like, I like the structure of Pokemon games.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

You have the gyms and then you have the elite.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And then you've like kind of free play until you catch all the rare Pokemon. Like that's like my vibe.

[Louise]

I love that.

[Jake]

And you're so. You're.

[Louise]

You're a JRPG person. Japanese role playing game.

[Jake]

Oh, yes.

[Louise]

Okay, great.

[Jake]

Oh, yes. Zelda. I was very. It was very difficult for me to like get past like even the. I was like, what's my goal here?

[Louise]

That's the beauty of the game. It's. It's. It's the. It's the most perfected open world game made.

[Jake]

I can't do it. I have to have.

[Louise]

I understand, I understand. I want structure.

[Jake]

I think I'm going to actually get. If there is a new Pokemon game on the Nintendo Switch too, I am going to get it and I'm going to play it and I'm going.

[Louise]

Called Wind and Waves.

[Jake]

Is it good?

[Louise]

It hasn't come out yet. Well, there's.

[Jake]

And then there's got really excited.

[Louise]

There's. There's. It'll come out around Christmas. But I feel like there's Sword and Shield and there was. I've got X and Y.

[Jake]

Is it good?

[Louise]

No, not X and Y. Sorry. They're fine. You. I think you should play. You should play Pokemon Legends. Za.

[Jake]

Is that on Nintendo Switch?

[Louise]

That's on Nintendo Switch and Switch 2. It takes place in Lumio City, which is Paris, basically. Very French. Very, very. Your vibe right now. And it's real time. So it's an action game, but you basically still do the moves, but there's just cooldowns. You don't take turns. It's more, like action based, and it's faster. Oh, my God, I'm so sad you're not coming to the Culture Awards.

[Jake]

Well, I mean, Louise doesn't have that coming after.

[Louise]

Okay, great.

[Jake]

Louise can.

[Louise]

Louise pre Culture.

[Jake]

Okay, you can go to the Culture Awards without me.

[Louise]

Are you kidding me? Louise, you're coming.

[Jake]

Wait. Go, Louise, go.

[Bowen]

I really can't express to you enough.

[Louise]

Like, you need to come.

[Bowen]

Jake and I. I know I've told you this so many times.

[Louise]

We.

[Bowen]

The whole time we're grabbing each other's hands, like, rocking back and forth, like, this is the best night of my

[Jake]

Kristen Wiig doing the. What did she do?

[Louise]

She played Robin. Not the. Not Robin from Batman around, but Robin with a Y. The woman who was the brother's assistant that.

[Jake]

Whatever. Max. When Meg's daughter made everyone look for her phone, which, by the way, did not make the final cut.

[Louise]

We had to cut it.

[Jake]

It was.

[Louise]

You had funniest to be there.

[Jake]

I think Mike Salter is the funniest person.

[Louise]

The funniest person alive.

[Jake]

Alive. I think she is the funniest person alive. No one does it like her. I went to her DJ set last night.

[Louise]

Oh, my God, her album, it's.

[Jake]

It's amazing. It's actually unbelievable. No one feels bad for me. And she sat there at the DJ stand brushing her hair the entire time. And then she lost her phone and took 10 minutes out of the DJ set to just scream at everybody to look for her phone. And then a slow song came on, and everyone was dancing behind her on the DJ booth. And she made them sit down.

[Louise]

Why? Because she had to find her phone. Still.

[Jake]

No, she just said, sit down. And they sat down. And then did you see the video of her going to the kids sing the song? And then she goes, that was rude. The kid didn't sing.

[Louise]

Yes, yes, I saw that. I watched her Colbert, her Late show interview, constantly.

[Jake]

My thing with Meg Stalter is. I don't. I actually don't. Because people are. Some people are like, I don't get it. How can you not so apparent. How can you not get it? It is the funniest thing on the planet.

[Louise]

I think it's people who, like, get uncomfortable, but that's the point. But they. They can't laugh about the discomfort. They can't laugh through it. They only. They stop at discomfort they're like, this is bad. I don't like this.

[Jake]

No, but it's. I literally, like, I, I, I think, like, I, I do not under. I like, can't, like, no one can explain to me. It'd be. If anyone ever said to me, I don't get it. I would literally, like, be like, what about this?

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

Do you not understand? Like, it is, she is just hysterical.

[Louise]

Yes, yes. It's like a fundamental, like, it's a cultural fundamental. Like, it's a fundamentally cultural. I can't, I don't even know what I'm saying. I don't even know what I'm saying. I just, she, she is just gonna hit a nerve with people. And it's the same nerve that makes you go, hahaha. Or the same nerve that makes you go, I don't get it. I don't like this.

[Jake]

Which, like, I don't want to be around those people.

[Louise]

We don't have to explain this too much to our people because there are people.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

I think you're running into more people who like, don't have the same sensibility as you.

[Jake]

Right.

[Louise]

I think now that I'm like, in my mid-30s, I'm like, I don't really. Really.

[Jake]

Right.

[Louise]

I can't really. I don't, I've. My circle has gotten smaller, which is just a factor of age. No matter what, no matter who you are, I think. And I think I'm like, oh. I'm like, I don't have to, like, spend too much energy, like bringing someone up to speed. Does that make sense?

[Jake]

That makes sense. That makes sense.

[Louise]

I just, I just made this so boring.

[Jake]

No, you didn't.

[Louise]

Yes, I did.

[Jake]

No, you didn't. What are you listening to right now?

[Louise]

Holly. Holly Humberstone.

[Jake]

Oh, and I've been a Holly fan down since COVID Yes. I love her.

[Louise]

I just got.

[Jake]

Have you ever heard the song Scarlet by her.

[Louise]

No.

[Jake]

It's unbelievable. It's one of the, it's one of the. Her older ones.

[Louise]

It's one of her older ones.

[Jake]

Yeah. It's amazing.

[Louise]

I'm listening to opn.

[Jake]

Opn.

[Louise]

He's the guy who scores, like, the Safdie Brothers movies, but he does a lot of, like, noise stuff.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Louise]

I missed his show, but, like, I've been, like, into this kind of, like, I don't know, like, tense, atmospheric stuff. It's so gross that I am talking about it in this way. But then. Wait, and then there's one more. Hold on. The Naomi Scott album is really good. But remember, Remember her song from Smile 2, Blood on White Satin? Yeah. Yes.

[Jake]

First of all, Smile 2 fan didn't see.

[Louise]

I've only seen the first. Okay. I have to say.

[Jake]

You haven't seen the first.

[Louise]

I've seen the first. I haven't seen the second.

[Jake]

What are you doing differently at this year's culture? Are you filming at the same place? Is it bigger?

[Louise]

It's a smaller place, actually, but I think that's okay. And we're doing. We're trying not to repeat too much of last year. We had, like. Like, our paths in the wood were. You can basically beat for beat, do the same show as last year, and it'll be totally fine.

[Jake]

Mm.

[Louise]

Like, you can do another In Memoriam parody. You can do another, like, whatever. You could do another like this, that, and the other. But I think the riskier move, and actually, I. But I think the more fun, thrilling move is just to, like, kind of start from scratch. Like, we. I think, like, I'm already kind of gagged at, like, the people we've got lined up. And it's not even just people.

[Jake]

You're, like, ruining Louise's day right now, by the way. Louise, like, there's no one in this world Louise. Louise loves more than Addison Rae.

[Louise]

My favorite set of Coachella by far.

[Jake]

I didn't see it.

[Louise]

It was incredible. And then literally. And I was. I thought I was, like, being, like, a fan. The person next to me. Stranger. Taps me on the shoulder at the end. He goes, that was so fun watching you watch her.

[Jake]

Oh.

[Louise]

And I was like, oh, I. Then, yeah, that's.

[Jake]

I felt that way about watching you and Bowen watch Cardi B in Cannes last summer.

[Louise]

What's Cardi P?

[Jake]

Cardi B.

[Louise]

When did that happen?

[Jake]

Oh, you and Matt were having the time of your life.

[Louise]

She came on after. Oh, she was at Spotify.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

Oh, my God. I. I'm still traumatized from Cannes.

[Jake]

Wait, why?

[Louise]

That was so much drinking and partying and having to sit on a panel, quote, unquote. Well, no, they were panels. But, like, having to sit on panels and then having to, like, stay up until, like, three in the morning because, like, you kind of felt like you had to based on, like, what was going on there. Like, it was just. And it was just chaotic. It was like people trying to get at parties, and it was just like, I think the south of France, Saint Tropez. I don't know about, but I feel like Cannes and, like, Nice are, like. It's. It's just Miami. It's like. It's like, just. It's that kind of like.

[Jake]

So I feel as though I am an expert in the south of France.

[Louise]

Tell me.

[Jake]

Because I've never been to Paris. I've only been to the south of France. Not. It's not. Not in even, like, a bougie way. It's just like, I've been there for work or then I went there for a wedding.

[Louise]

And it's not even that bougie.

[Jake]

It's very, like, it feels. I don't know how to describe. It's not like. There's one nightclub.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Bayoli Bioli. And you either have the best night of your life there or nobody is there. That is like, one time, Louise and I went there. It was a carnival. They were like. They were. It was the actual carnival, though.

[Louise]

Wow.

[Jake]

There was a Ferris wheel. Like, it was like the b. It was that. I think that was the best anime. I saw you. Cigarettes inside. Like, what? Like, whatever. Like, just having the best time of my life.

[Louise]

Oh, God. That's what. That's what the Culture Awards were missing. We needed, like, drugs in the carnival.

[Jake]

This reminds me. Are you watching Rhode Island?

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

Alicia.

[Louise]

Alicia.

[Jake]

She. What? What are these, like, bagel bites that she had or the pizza bites? That's literally just bread.

[Louise]

Pizza chips. I did not. I didn't know about. I hear pizza chips, and I'm like, okay, so it's like a little potato. Potato chip with like.

[Jake]

She's like, it's just bread.

[Louise]

It's just bread with tomato sauce.

[Jake]

I do not with the one. And I'm sorry.

[Louise]

Rula. Rosie.

[Jake]

No. Okay. Here's the thing about Rula is she brings discourse. Like, people don't like.

[Louise]

No, no, She's. She's a great character.

[Jake]

Yeah, she's a great character. I don't fuck with. Is it actually the one who was on the Bachelor? I'm sorry.

[Louise]

And I think. But I think she and her husband, like, moved there for the show, if I'm not mistaken.

[Jake]

Okay, let's fight. Like, let's fight, please.

[Louise]

Oh, my God.

[Jake]

I struggle with reality television in general. The only reality TV I can do is Housewives. It's the only TV I can do.

[Louise]

I'm kind of the same. So, like, what's that about?

[Jake]

I'm used to old reality television. Like, I watched Bad Girls Club. Were you ever a Bad Girls Club fan?

[Louise]

I never wasn't. I'm trying to. Someone's trying to put me on it. But what's the new show?

[Jake]

Baddies.

[Louise]

Baddies.

[Jake]

It goes deep.

[Louise]

Wow.

[Jake]

And it's like crazy. Like, I'm. I know everything about Baddies. Everything, everything, everything, everything. But so basically the best season of Baddies, there's two Baddies south, which was season two, and Baddies. Baddies. I think it was Baddies West.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Jake]

And that's when Stun. A girl was on. Huh.

[Louise]

Who's done a girl.

[Jake]

So she's done a girl body. South was so good because there was a real narrative and, like, they. They were really trying to. They, like, really traveled the south and, you know, and there was a real narrative going on there. And now it's. Every episode is. Natalie calls a house meeting before everyone goes out and goes. And it just, like, you have to fight. Whereas on Bad Girls Club, if you hit somebody, you got kicked out of the house.

[Louise]

Right?

[Jake]

So it was like this tension brewing and brewing and brewing and brewing and brewing. And then there would be this one massive fight, like, in Bad Girls Club New Orleans, Judy and Priscilla. Priscilla beat Judy bloody, like, and. And because, well. Well, Judy goes, priscilla, I made you breakfast in bed and dump cereal all over Priscilla's bed. And Priscilla just, like, beats the living out of Judy. And, like, this is original Bad Girls Club. Yeah, original. No, nothing touches original Bad Girls Club then. And. Oh, my God. Bad Girls Club Miami. Oh, my God. Bad Girls Club Cabo. I've seen every single season of Bad

[Louise]

Girls Club, so it's just Housewives and

[Jake]

Bad Girls Club for you and America's Next Top Model.

[Louise]

But there hasn't been any cycle of

[Jake]

that, so that's what I'm saying. I only do old.

[Louise]

Oh, God. I got. And you're. And you will be watching whatever the new Tyra creation is. So Matt and I recapped the. The most recent cycle, which was like, 2018. And I was just like, what's. What's this all for? And it was also, like, my first. It was the first. It was one of the first times Law Roach was on tv. And, like, I. I went through the cycle with Law Roach where I was like, I'm not. I'm not sure what this man is about. And now I'm obsessed with him.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah. What did he say recently that I just died for? Oh, bring back gatekeeping. He was like, not everyone's meant to have what you have. I literally was like, oh, I think gatekeeping.

[Louise]

I think. I think gatekeeping has always remained.

[Jake]

I. Yeah, I think.

[Louise]

And I think for whatever reason, people. People are still gatekeeping and. Sure, why not?

[Jake]

Right?

[Louise]

I have no take on this. Beyond.

[Jake]

Yeah, it's.

[Louise]

It's not gone.

[Jake]

The reason I loved OG America's Next Top Model is because I was a child.

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

And I genuinely believed that, that when these women won the show, they would go on to become a top model.

[Louise]

Totally. But, you know, you know, I think American Idol implanted this in my brain where I was like, whoever wins this

[Jake]

is going to be Kelly Clarkson.

[Louise]

The big.

[Jake]

The biggest Carrie Underwood.

[Louise]

Exactly. Just never happened. Studd. Fantasia Barino. No, but then Taylor Hicks, Clay Aiken, Adam Lambert.

[Jake]

No, but there was someone else, too.

[Louise]

I think we. I think we. I think we said David Archuleta Day.

[Jake]

She. Jennifer Hudson.

[Louise]

Oh, yeah.

[Jake]

Jennifer Hudson. That's what I'm thinking of. She made a. I mean, yeah, she

[Louise]

got an Oscar a few years later.

[Jake]

Yeah. Like American Idol, I would say, is the only show to successfully create stars.

[Louise]

Stars.

[Jake]

Well, I think besides the X Factor, One Direction, Fifth army, of course.

[Louise]

Of course. But for. Yeah, for shows like that, for X Factor and American Idol to run parallel to Top Model, kind of like, it seemed to be this, like, global belief that, like, whoever wins these shows will go on to great success.

[Jake]

You know who actually was on America's Next Top Model and left and is like, now one of the top models, Winnie Harlow. As you guys know, Venmo and I have been working together this season on therapists. And so tonight or today, whenever you guys are watching this, we are going to be bringing you some more financial leaning. Tell me what's wrongs. Given that Venmo is a financial app. I love the Venmo debit card. So my advice will probably be leaning a lot towards using that because I think it is, like, for me, the easiest way to spend my Venmo balance. My friend, is having a really small, intimate wedding, just family and a few close friends. Our friend group is nine people and only three are invited to the wedding. I didn't think much of this until all nine of us got invited to her bachelorette trip. And it's going to cost at least fifteen hundred dollars. Am I being crazy for thinking that's kind of selfish? Like, we're apparently close enough to drop a ton of money on her bachelorette, but not close enough to be there for her actual wedding. Help if you maybe flip it. Like, maybe she can't afford to have both a big wedding and a big bachelorette. But, like, obviously if you can't spend the money, then you just have to tell her, I can't spend this money. And if she's a real friend, she'll understand. It's also unfair that only Three people are invited. I think that's where it gets tricky for me. I would just, like, analyze the situation. Like, is this because of a money reason? Like, can she not afford both? Or is this just out of pure? Like, this is what she wants? Because if that's the case, then you can also be like, well, then I'm not spending this if I'm not invited to the actual event. But then at that point, do you actually want to even be invited anymore? I pay for everything for me and my boyfriend, and I make way more than him, so it's kind of fair. But at the same time, it would be nice if he chipped in once in a while. Do I just start cold Venmo requesting him for stuff, or does this need to be a serious discussion? I've actually thought about this a lot. I think the cold Venmo request will catch him off guard. Maybe be like, hey, can you. Do you mind if I. Can I Venmo request you for this? You know what I mean? Like, I'm going to Venmo request you for this meal. Base your decisions on his reactions thereafter. I can't cook for the life of me, so I eat out almost every meal and it's costing me. Do you have any suggestions for how to motivate myself to cook or even like, hacks for cheap meals anywhere? I cannot keep up with this habit. If you really hate cooking that much, collab with your friends, go to each other's houses, make meals together. Like, make it an activity to do with other people so that it's not just you and it doesn't feel like a chore. And it's way more expensive to cook for one than it is to cook for a group of people. But if you still do not want to cook, you can use Venmo Stash rewards to earn cash back on places you're already spending money. And when you use your Venmo balance at these places, like, you will earn cash back. So you can pick like a bundle of your favorite brands and earn cash back on that also. I feel like the solace of spending with a Venmo balance is like, you know exactly how much you have and it's coming out of that one account of yours. The Venmo account, it's not coming out of, like, your savings or something is like a good way to think about it. The Venmo MasterCard is issued by the Bancorp Bank NA Venmo Stash Bundle. Terms and exclusions apply. Max $100 cash back per month. See Terms At Venmo Me Stash Terms. Venmo Checkout not available at all merchants. Thank you again, Venmo, for sponsoring tonight's episode and the special edition of Tell Me what's Wrongs. Bowen, what are you therapist about today?

[Louise]

What I'm therapist about today is. Honestly. This is going to sound so boring, but it's my back pain.

[Jake]

I knew you were going to say your back pain, but it's.

[Louise]

It's just. And I was going to come in here and be like, this is what you have to look forward to. But the fact that you're experiencing it at 26.

[Jake]

Well, are you on muscle? Not TikTok. It's. I just, like, licked my lips. It is like the best thing on planet Earth. You. They. They have these gloves on and they like it. It's a back, obviously. And they put their finger on and you see the knot. No, it. No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Jake]

And they go. And it just. And like, scientifically, actually, they're not getting the knot out. Like, what's really happening is they're pushing. Pushing the muscle to the end and it snaps back in place. But if you just tell yourself, like when you.

[Louise]

It's like when you get an air bubble out of a screen.

[Jake]

Yeah, that's what it looks like.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Jake]

That's what it looks like. It's awesome. Also dried. Dry needling.

[Louise]

Dry needling. For sure.

[Jake]

And then muscle twitches.

[Louise]

I'm therapist about my back pain.

[Jake]

Yep.

[Louise]

What can.

[Jake]

What can we talk about how much I love you.

[Louise]

Oh, my God.

[Jake]

Oh. We can talk about the. Tell me what's wrongs.

[Louise]

I will never forget to. Tell me what's wrong with Radio City.

[Jake]

What were they?

[Louise]

Which is like.

[Jake]

Like, oh, like my cousin. What do I do?

[Louise]

No, no, no. One of them was my roommate my day. And then. Oh.

[Jake]

And she said, yeah. And how could you be mad?

[Louise]

That's insane. Insane.

[Jake]

It's everything. It's camp. I'm doing a program in Copenhagen this summer and I have a weekend break where I can travel. One of my best friends is really close with my ex boyfriend, who is Norwegian. We have been broken up for two years. They FaceTimed each other when I was in the room. And on a whim, I told my ex I would be in Norway for a weekend. He. So. A lot of exposition. A lot of exposition.

[Louise]

They haven't planned this trip. Okay.

[Jake]

I don't. No, I think this is. No. I am doing this process.

[Louise]

She is.

[Jake]

He told me I should come and stay with him. It's taken Me a long time to get over him. I haven't dated anyone since, and both of us are single. Do I go to Norway? Oh, my God. I would.

[Louise]

I would just. If it's just for the weekend, sure. It's gonna be. It's already time bound. It's low stakes.

[Jake]

Listen to his the damn Season by Taylor Swift and just fudgeing. Do it.

[Louise]

Oh, my God. But that's about a hometown.

[Jake]

But it's about, like, seeing an example.

[Louise]

Sure.

[Jake]

And getting back together with them. Just for the weekend. You can call me babe for the weekend. Talk about the best song ever, by the way.

[Louise]

Talk about.

[Jake]

Talk about the Eras tour. Oh, my God. I saw a tik tok the other day of like, being like, oh, my God, I prescribed tis the damn season. My boss absolutely reeks. Like, he seriously smells like bad sushi.

[Louise]

Quit.

[Jake]

Which. Okay, his office. His office is right next to mine, so I'm forced to put up with his stench all day, and it makes me want to vomit. I pull my shirt up over my nose to avoid it. Most of the time, other people have walked past and said, oh, my God, what is that awful smell? And nobody realizes it is him. Including him. I don't want to tell him because. Fired. What do I do? Hr.

[Louise]

That is exactly what HR is meant to help with.

[Jake]

Yeah, you have to. Oh, my God. I can't deal with smells. If I assign a smell to a person, you're. You're done.

[Louise]

You're dead.

[Jake]

You're done. You're done. You're done. You're done. I can't do it. Oh, my God. I. I can't. I can't.

[Louise]

Is it. God, is it the kind of office where you can burn a candle? Like a five wick candle? This person has an office next to the boss.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. It makes me feel sick. If I had to smell that every day. I hate smells. I hate smells. I'm like a pregnant woman. I hate smells.

[Louise]

And like, even like, perfume and colognes are too strong.

[Jake]

No. But I hate the smell of Sephora.

[Louise]

Got it.

[Jake]

Sephora. You walk in and it's just like. That's like the smell of Sephora to me. It's just like a cough of perfume.

[Louise]

Of course.

[Jake]

Like, Louise and I went to Sephora today to kill time, and I was so upset about it. Louise walked in and said, do you need anything? And I said no. And she's. I said, do you? And she said no. And we walked out and then sat. You know, Louise. Okay. You know, the thing about Louise is Louise can read anywhere.

[Louise]

Oh, I'm so jealous.

[Jake]

Like, Louise could sit right now and start reading as we're talking and continue reading.

[Louise]

What are you reading right now?

[Jake]

Why don't you pick up the mic?

[Bowen]

I just started the Lover.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Bowen]

And I just finished last night, Madonna in a fur coat.

[Louise]

Okay, great. These are. These are books that I feel like I should know and I don't.

[Bowen]

Oh, yeah, you should. You should read.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Bowen]

No, I don't feel like that.

[Louise]

I love it. Yes, I should.

[Bowen]

You would really enjoy it.

[Louise]

I'm reading. I'm reading.

[Bowen]

What are you reading?

[Louise]

Oh, no, I'm actually. I'm actually reading a really good novel. The Lathe of Heaven by Ursula K. Le Guin.

[Jake]

This is now becoming too. I can't read.

[Bowen]

Fame Sec.

[Louise]

Yes. Oh, my God. In one day.

[Bowen]

Amazing.

[Louise]

It's an intense book.

[Jake]

I know.

[Louise]

Yeah. But it's. It's an amazing, incredible. She's. She's amazing.

[Jake]

It is so. It's funny that the, like, the crux of girls is her saying she's the voice of her generation in a joking manner.

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

Because she is. Do you know what I mean?

[Louise]

She's still. Even in the book. She's like. Yeah. And you read it. It's like, even. She's like, that was a joke.

[Jake]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She. She is. There's no one else that speaks, like, huh?

[Louise]

And for you to be, like, so in it and make a show about it, like, immediately.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

For you to be able to, like, pull up and see it for what it is, like, that's impossible.

[Jake]

You know what I thought was awesome? When she was like, I was working and like, her. It was her, the Safdie brothers and Greta Gerwig.

[Louise]

I know.

[Jake]

Just all working together and like, this place, like, how awesome. And they all. They all are now them.

[Louise]

I know. It's so cool. Daughter.

[Jake]

My ex is my stepbrother now.

[Louise]

What?

[Jake]

Yeah, period. We were together for two years, and things got nasty towards the end. While we were together, I guess my mom and his dad. Both divorcees. Divorcees, Whatever you want. Fell in love and failed to share any of this information with us. I fear I'm in a cursed timeline and have to see him all the time. Now. Help me and set some healthy boundaries. Oh, help me set some healthy boundaries.

[Louise]

Well, I feel like the boundaries is the. Was the break. Well, that's so hard. And actually, that's what Paul Rudden. Clueless. They started as step siblings, and then they. They got together.

[Jake]

Right. Same with Copa Mia.

[Louise]

What's Copamia?

[Jake]

You gotta see copamia. Okay, so in Copa, Mia, basically, Nicole Wallace's mom is getting married to this very wealthy guy, and Nicole Wallace falls in love with the sun.

[Louise]

Oh.

[Jake]

My advice is that you should be. So. You should be like, my life is crazy. And just tell people, like, my life is crazy. You guys have no idea. My life is crazy.

[Louise]

Embrace it.

[Jake]

Embrace the crazy.

[Louise]

She's already halfway there.

[Jake]

Like, embrace the crazy. Be like, my life is so not normal. Like, to the point where, like, start making light of it and making jokes about it.

[Louise]

Make art about it.

[Jake]

Make art about. Make art about it. Truly make art. I work as a manager at a hotel. Since I live really close to work, UPS will sometimes deliver my personal packages there. The other day, I was in the housekeeping storage room and found a box addressed to me that was opened. It was a vibrator I ordered. I don't know who the culprit is. Should I say something? Can you check the cameras?

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

Well, I guess she can't. In the closet.

[Louise]

Oh, sure. Did she say something? I think we're at the point now in the culture where it's like, yeah, we all stick things in each other, in ourselves.

[Jake]

No, but that's not her problem. Her problem is somebody opened it.

[Louise]

I know. Which is illegal.

[Jake]

Right? So she. And now she wants to get revenge or just find out who it was and be like, why'd you steal my. Or Tate. Or open my. Maybe they were just curious. As long as they didn't steal your belongings.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Just my advice would be to stop having your sent to the hotel.

[Louise]

Oh, interesting. Although. Oh, God. One of the things about, like, going into a place of work in it, having like a solid shipping situation is like that is that. That is so important.

[Jake]

Really.

[Louise]

I remember the days when, like, I would get shit sent to work.

[Jake]

Where'd you work?

[Louise]

At an office called 1 Kings Lane. Not. Not far from here.

[Jake]

And what'd you do?

[Louise]

I was one of their marketing graphic designers.

[Jake]

You do graphic design?

[Louise]

I used to. And now I couldn't tell you anything about it. It's all. It's all out. It's all. It's all gone for my brain.

[Jake]

I just started getting close with my co workers recently and on a night out, I made the mistake of telling them I began taking Lexapro since the job. I don't think that's bad. Not a big deal, apparently to these guys. Oh, not a big deal. But apparently to these guys, I'm a drug addict now. What? They're not even throwing shade. Just like cracking Jokes to everyone in the office about it, and it's super uncomfortable. What do I say to them? Because they are fun. Just. This is a little whack. I think they're, like, actually, like. And I mean this, like, full heartedly, like, very stupid.

[Louise]

I. I was gonna say, like, you don't want to get close to these people.

[Jake]

What? What?

[Louise]

Don't be friends with them. Ew, that sucks.

[Jake]

It's. What do you mean you're a drug dealer? For taking Lexapro?

[Louise]

I take Lexapro. I guess I'm a addict.

[Jake]

I take Luvox. Luvox, by the way, has changed my life. And I'll tell you why. When I am taking Luvox and not smoking weed, which is not often, but it was the other day, I am like, good morning. Like, good morning, Louise. How are you, Manny? Like, what's up? Like, how are you? Like, like, today is beautiful. Like, let's have a day.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

When I'm taking Luvox and smoking weed, I'm back to Jake.

[Louise]

Totally. I. Weed's been the. The thing that's, like, helped me get my mind off this back pain.

[Jake]

Weed's the best thing on planet Earth. You know, I'm smoking immediately after this,

[Louise]

and I'm like, is this developed because, you know, Lady Gaga got addicted to it. To weed, Chromatic, like, or during Duran, she was like, I don't want people to. To get it twisted. Like, you can get addicted.

[Jake]

You can. I am addicted to weed.

[Louise]

And so. And I think I am, too.

[Jake]

I am. It's very. I think. I think we are the guinea pigs for weed addiction because it's sold now, like, legally.

[Louise]

Right, right, right.

[Jake]

So it's so much more accessible.

[Louise]

And so we're. We're.

[Jake]

And so we're like, the G. But, like, that. I am, like, smoking a joint for me is like. I'm not a big drinker. Me neither.

[Louise]

It's the. It's the perfect way for me to wind down.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. Just like, smoking a joint, like, it's like, burns my throat a bit. Like, I feel, like, lighter. Like, I. Like, it's like a glass of wine for me.

[Louise]

Absolutely.

[Jake]

I don't feel hungover in the morning. I just feel anxious and like, maybe I want to kill myself.

[Louise]

Just on par with a hangover.

[Jake]

Jake. I saw messages on my boyfriend's. Wait, did we give her advice? Oh, yeah. Stop sending packages to your place of work.

[Louise]

Oh, no, no. This is. This is the one with Deluxa Pro.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah. Those are not your friends.

[Louise]

Those are not your friends.

[Jake]

You. Why would you want to be friends with people that stupid period. Literally. Like what? Like what? That's not even a funny joke.

[Louise]

No, it's not even.

[Jake]

It's. But it's not even not funny because it's like you're making fun of mental illness. It's just not funny, period.

[Louise]

Exactly.

[Jake]

That's not funny.

[Louise]

That's not funny.

[Jake]

All my friends are on Met. Every single one of my friends. Are you on meds?

[Bowen]

I used to be on Lex Pro.

[Jake]

You're not anymore. You're healed. You're a healed. Whitney held. You don't get that, do you? Oh, she's missing out.

[Louise]

You don't get that, do you?

[Jake]

Yes, Jake. I saw messages on my boyfriend's phone between him and Chat gbt. He was talking about how I have a vibrator. My boyfriend told Chat GBT that our sexual relationship isn't what it used to be. Why is he telling Chat GBT this? Because I have a vibrator. Oh. Ew. These people sound horrible.

[Louise]

I know.

[Jake]

He doesn't know that I saw these messages. Those messages. Should I ignore it? What should I do? No, you can be like, I saw your fucking Chat GPT messages, you freak.

[Louise]

I. That's. That feels so deeply. That's like a deeper level of shame than, like, looking through emails. Like, talking to Chachi Beatty to some guys is probably, like, intimate. Beyond intimate.

[Jake]

Well, your boyfriend also, like, is maybe gay and hates women. Like, why is he mad that you have a vibrator? Why is that?

[Louise]

Ruining yourself. I know. Like, that's.

[Jake]

Am I wrong? Like, right.

[Louise]

Let women have vibrators.

[Jake]

That's weird. Like, why don't you want her to experience pleasure? That's strange.

[Louise]

It's. Huh. Like, you can't be. It's this thing where, like, such an American thing to be. Like, I have to be the partner to fulfill every need.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

In France, it's like, oh, no, you have your buddy and you have your intellectual boyfriend and your. Whatever. Boyfriend.

[Jake]

What?

[Louise]

It's like the French thing. It's like, no, your partner isn't going to be able to carry all of your expectations for you. It's like they're not going to be able to fulfill every single need.

[Jake]

Yeah. Your boyfriend hates women and he does not want you to experience joy and you should break up with him.

[Louise]

What's up?

[Jake]

I just. Oh, my God. More. I just found out my boyfriend cheated from three different girls. We've been together for five years and he recently tested positive for an std.

[Louise]

Cut it Out.

[Jake]

Only a few days pass and one by one I get messages from these girls saying he called them to go get checked. I'm sorry, it's not funny. As if the STD wasn't bad enough for me, I just found out he's been cheating for years. How should I kill him? Watch John Tucker. Must I? And you collab with the girls?

[Louise]

You collab with the girls. Oh, yes, you're so right. You're making all these pop culture connections, I'm so.

[Jake]

Are you proud?

[Louise]

I'm so proud. Well, I never expected anything less.

[Jake]

Thank you. I have some weird issue where I pretend to be asleep if anyone comes into my room, no matter what time of the day or night, if someone comes in, I'll turn everything off and pretend to be asleep. I don't know why I do this. I do it every single time and have done it for years. What could this be? I.

[Louise]

What does this person live when someone comes into the room?

[Jake]

I think a college dorm. It sounds like.

[Louise]

I see, I see.

[Jake]

Sounds like, you just don't.

[Louise]

Is it like a railroad style apartment where, like, they have to, like, pass through the room in order to get to theirs?

[Jake]

No, I think it's like, I don't know.

[Louise]

Okay, right, like, that's. I, I.

[Jake]

Did you. When you were at. And you went to nyu, right? Did you live in a dorm freshman year?

[Louise]

Never lived in a dorm in it.

[Jake]

Oh, hey, it freaked me out. So that's why you're not. Okay, so when you live in a dorm.

[Louise]

Oh, sure.

[Jake]

Your door is unlocked constantly. Constantly.

[Louise]

And if. And it's your roommate.

[Jake]

It's not only that, it's just, like, people come, like, Brett, like, I like, would sometimes wake up to, like, my best friend Brett just being in my room.

[Louise]

Okay, got it.

[Jake]

Doing homework because, like, she couldn't in her room because her roommate was asleep,

[Louise]

Sounds like a nightmare.

[Jake]

It was awesome.

[Louise]

Okay.

[Jake]

It was the best time of my life. I've never experienced such joy in my entire life. I felt like I ruled the world. I was like, I remember the first night of college where everyone was like, okay, should we eat now? Like, should we order food and eat? And I was like, wait, what? What?

[Louise]

I get to eat?

[Jake]

We can just have like, a sleepover and eat and have fun.

[Louise]

Oh, I see. Yeah, you're right. You're so right.

[Jake]

But I don't know what your issue is. I understand. Maybe you're an introvert.

[Louise]

No, it's. My sister went to NYU and like, it just made sense to live with her.

[Jake]

Oh, okay. That's fun.

[Louise]

Yeah.

[Jake]

How'd you meet Matt?

[Louise]

I was on the improv team at NYU and he wanted to get on the sketch team. And then I was, I had a crush on a girl who lived on his floor.

[Jake]

Are you bisexual?

[Louise]

No.

[Jake]

Oh.

[Louise]

But at the time. Oh, at the time I was like, after conversion therapy, I was like, I guess I'm straight again.

[Jake]

You did conversion therapy and then.

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

Oh, I'm so sorry.

[Louise]

No, that's okay, that's okay. It wasn't like electrodes or anything. It was just like a creepy guy, like telling me like, okay, why BK is bad. So I was, I. I was in love with this girl. Gorgeous girl. Gorgeous. And she was friends with Matt. And the first time I ever saw Matt was on Facebook when you could post videos to walls. And I, and I'm stalking this girl. I just like Facebook stalking this girl. Cuz I was just. And I wasn't like creepy or anything.

[Jake]

That's not creepy. People stalk people on Instagram all the time.

[Louise]

Exactly. And so. But then there's a video of, of this guy and it's Matt Rogers being like, hey, I shouldn't say your name. Like, hey, I'm sending you a little naked video. And it was just like him, like, just like doing a little naked dance, but like above the waist.

[Jake]

Uh huh.

[Louise]

And I was like, who the fuck?

[Jake]

And he publicly posted this.

[Louise]

He publicly posted this. And I was like, who the fuck is this kid? Like, closing in on my girl. But then the first time we met in person, I remember it was the elevator doors open and then I go in and then we both like clocked each other. And like he like kind of wanted to impress me. Like he thought, he thought like I had status over him and I like didn't see it that way. And then he auditioned for the improv group the next year when we were softwares. And I go up to him before the audition. I was like, oh my God, I'm so excited. Like, you're, you're trying out for the groups this year. I was like, I went out of my way to be nice to him. And then he got cut after the first round and he blamed it on me.

[Jake]

And then, how did you become friends?

[Louise]

And then he got on the sketch group a week later. And then like, I was the gay guy in the improv group, he was the gay guy in the sketch group. And all the other kids were like, play with each other.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Louise]

And then we were like, no. Like, it was like, it was like an arranged marriage thing of like Stop. Like, we hate this. And then, like, it's not. We're not going to be friends just because we're gay. And then we were friends just because we were gay. It was like the stepbrothers, do we just become best friends moment. You know, I've never seen stepbrothers get stoned tonight. Watch it. It's. You will not regret it. You will be crying.

[Jake]

You know what my plans are for tonight?

[Louise]

What?

[Jake]

I have a big group friend because I haven't seen my friends at all this weekend, and I have a big friend dinner at Thai Villa.

[Louise]

Cute. That sounds so cute.

[Jake]

I'm really excited about it.

[Louise]

You're gonna get stoned before the friend dinner?

[Jake]

I'm gonna go to the friend dinner with a joint, smoke outside the restaurant, go in and order.

[Louise]

Fab. Oh, I love that. Wait, I. I don't want to push myself on to you, but I feel like we should get stoned sometime. Please. And just, like, watch a little silly little movie or something.

[Jake]

I would love that. And order food.

[Louise]

Mother, daughter. Like, mother, daughter. Yeah.

[Jake]

Yes. My roommate and her boyfriend have such loud sex. You can hear it in your room. We don't speak often because she's a narcissist and thinks she does nothing wrong, but her gross, ratty boyfriend is. Is over all the time. All they do is have sex, argue, and drink. I literally cannot stand her and find joy when she isn't in the house. I'm not the problem, right?

[Louise]

No, certainly not.

[Jake]

You should watch that new movie, Roommates on Netflix.

[Louise]

Jimmy Fallow and Hero Sullivan. Sorry. Yes.

[Jake]

Who was it written by again?

[Louise]

Jimmy Falley and Kiro Sullivan.

[Jake]

I love Jimmy Fallow.

[Louise]

Jimmy's the best.

[Jake]

The best. The best. One of the funniest. Funniest. Funniest. Funniest. What? What did I see? Was he in Search Party?

[Louise]

I'm sure he was. He. He's been in everything. He was in season two of the Comeback. He was. No, he was in the other two.

[Jake]

That's what it was. And he was. The Instagram.

[Louise]

The Instagram.

[Jake]

Oh, my God, the best show ever.

[Louise]

You're so funny, Carrot. You're like Amy Schumer. It's so. It's. He's amazing.

[Jake]

God, the other two was the best.

[Louise]

So good. So good. Oh, what?

[Jake]

I missed the other two.

[Louise]

I know. Is it cool, though? Like, you're, like, on Hacks. Like, you're, like. You're, like, in this whole, like, you're in that whole, like, mix of, like, these comedy shows that, like, I feel

[Jake]

very accepted by the comedy scene, which is very funny. Which is. Thank you. But it's very nice because sometimes I don't, like, feel that way from people online. So when people in, like, your scene accept me and, like, take me in, it feels very good. I've.

[Louise]

I had a moment like this last week where I just kind of like, I, like, stumbled on, like, a snark page or something, and I was like, I. And then I was like, I need to treat this like a fucking chemical spill zone.

[Jake]

Yeah, it's the worst.

[Louise]

It's like, actually the air is poison.

[Jake]

It's. It's bad.

[Louise]

You know what I mean? Like, it's just. It's actually. It's lethal if you get anywhere near it.

[Jake]

I don't. Go on. I can't. I don't. I used to, like, find.

[Louise]

I used. I used to vanity search all the time.

[Jake]

Yeah, all the time. I used to find the most joy. I had a whole bit on tour. It was like a joke of mine that I would tell that I would, like, wake up and Google my name on Twitter. And it was like, the best is not the best. Because I used to find mean tweets about myself and. And I would read them at my show, and it was very, very, very funny. But it got to the point where it became too personal and it's not funny.

[Louise]

Like, the abyss stares back. It's like if you look too long, like the dark thing, like, it. It will have an effect on you.

[Jake]

My thing is, like, I don't care if you. Well, I do. Like, I. I, at the time, I wore this very bad. It was like a. Whatever. What. How did we get here? Oh, the roommate.

[Louise]

The roommates.

[Jake]

Written by Jimmy Fowley.

[Louise]

Oh, yes. And being accepted by the comedy community, of course. Jake. It's. It's Open arms.

[Jake]

My ex boyfriend. Thank you. My ex boyfriend was insane and horrible. But the craziest thing about him was that he used to. In bags. That's right. Not the toilet. Literal garbage bags. This would put a garbage bag in a small trash can, sit on it and shit. He even, as a joke, threw the bag at me once. The bad part is I stayed with him for months after that. How do I destroy this attraction to toxic men? Me love. Me love. I don't know what to. Why would he.

[Louise]

Why would you do that?

[Jake]

My only reason I don't think that's a lie is because, like, how could you come up with that in bags

[Louise]

Is like, is to me, doesn't live in kink. It lives in, like, there Must be some like practical lifestyle quote, unquote. Practical quote, unquote lifestyle reason.

[Jake]

And he threw the bag of her.

[Louise]

That's. I'm sorry, that's.

[Jake]

Yeah, that's wrong. I would just hope that your next boyfriend isn't like that. I have the best time with you.

[Louise]

I had the best time with you. I love you so much.

[Jake]

Oh my God, I love you so much. I could talk to you for three hours, literally. Okay, well, Owen, Jake, what did we learn today?

[Louise]

We learned. We talked about everything.

[Jake]

This felt like a proper catch up.

[Louise]

We learned so much. I learned some. I learned. I learned that New York is good on you.

[Jake]

Really?

[Louise]

Yeah, I think so too. I'm really liking this. Not that LA was bad, but I really like guys.

[Jake]

Agree.

[Bowen]

I think both.

[Louise]

I'm obsessed with Louise. She delivers things in such a perfect amount of gravitas.

[Bowen]

That is so nice.

[Louise]

You do.

[Jake]

Do you know, one time I wrote in an email, I. This is my. I don't know why you love this story. Because. What?

[Louise]

Okay.

[Jake]

Somebody wrote like, can you be here for this? And I. And I wrote back, oh, no, I can't. I will be away.

[Louise]

Yes.

[Jake]

And Louise texted me, I will be away. Obsessed. And I said, what? Louise is a gay man.

[Louise]

Louise is a gay man.

[Jake]

Louise is a gay man.

[Louise]

Totally.

[Jake]

What did you do today on our call and I called you out for it.

[Bowen]

He. So we're going over this campaign and they're showing him a cardboard cutout of himself and he's like, oh my God, there's going to be a cardboard cutout. I love that. That's so cool. What. What's the photo? And I. Sex. I texted him, I said, I showed you the cardboard cutout for approval. Do you remember? And he says, oh, my God, you guys, Louise just side texted me. Like, I. Do you remember? In front of like 20 people.

[Jake]

Mind you, that is the second time I've done that in the span of two weeks.

[Bowen]

He keeps doing that. I text him on the side, like, hey, reminder. Like, don't.

[Jake]

Yeah, like I was doing an interview the other day. Louise, like, was texting me, like, stuff and I said, louise, stop texting me. And I texted her today. I said, you're not safe when you side text me in these situations.

[Bowen]

Yeah, well, the cutout thing, he was like, it made it seem like I lied that he had approved it.

[Jake]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Bowen]

He's had eyes on this.

[Louise]

So then how, how in the future are you going to let him know about something like in a sidebar without potentially having your spot. Getting.

[Bowen]

To be honest, I'm probably just going to continue doing exactly.

[Louise]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

In a woman's body.

[Louise]

Totally. But you need to be better about not saying, oh, my God, Louise just texted me.

[Jake]

No, it's funny.

[Bowen]

Yeah, he likes it.

[Jake]

I love it. And you know who was on the call which made it all the better? Who? Paul Briganti. Oh, Paul, My king of all kings, Bowen. I love you.

[Louise]

I love you.

[Jake]

Thank you for coming on therapy.

[Louise]

Thank you for having me.

[Jake]

This is make sure to tune into

[Louise]

the culture Awards on June 17 on Bravo and Peacock.

[Jake]

And it is. You will not regret it. It is the greatest gift we have gotten in a while. It is amazing.

[Louise]

Thank you.

[Jake]

You need to know how amazing it is.

[Louise]

Thank you. Enjoy Vegas.

[Jake]

Thank you.

[Louise]

Bye.