Session 127: Malcolm Todd

Summary

Therapuss with Jake Shane – Session 127: Malcolm Todd (June 12, 2026)
Guest: Malcolm Todd | Host: Jake Shane

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Episode Overview

This episode of Therapuss welcomes musician Malcolm Todd for a candid, funny, and wide-ranging conversation about everything from Coachella overwhelm and musical breakthroughs to OCD rituals and advice for listener dilemmas. Staying true to the show’s blend of tongue-in-cheek “therapy” and genuine introspection, Jake and Malcolm discuss creativity, relationships, family, touring, the social media grind, and the messy, relatable sides of being young and ambitious in 2026. The episode is especially memorable for its in-depth talk about mental health (specifically OCD), the warmth of Malcolm's relationship with his family and cousin/assistant Jackson, and valuable perspectives on social dynamics in the age of constant connection.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Coachella Connection & The Music Discovery Moment

• Overstimulation at Coachella: Malcolm opened up about how meeting too many people left him socially drained, leading him to "not talk to anyone for three weeks."
  • “Too many handshakes. It, like, took the energy drained out of me… you're never gonna remember my name. I'm never gonna remember your name. It's kind of disheartening.” – Malcolm (00:57)
• Live Musical Revelations: Malcolm discovered live music's transformative power seeing Turnstile by accident, describing it as “spiritual and beautiful.”
  • “It was, like, the best. It was, like, spiritual and beautiful… cool to discover music through a live performance.” – Malcolm (01:29)

2. Personal Tidbits – Siblings, Basketball, and High School

• Brother/Sister Dynamics: Malcolm and his sister Audrey are “best friends” (03:01), a rarity Jake notes among siblings.
• Basketball Glory: Malcolm’s proudest sports memory is winning a high school 3-on-3 tournament with non-team-member friends, “beating the jocks at their own game.” (03:27)
• Theatre Days: Malcolm once traded sports for theater, starring in the first high school production of Something Rotten (05:37), and loved the camaraderie of ensemble work.

3. On Weed & Self-Understanding

• Both Jake and Malcolm candidly discuss past weed use, both ultimately finding it “not for them” and sharing subsequent anxiety after smoking.
  • “I swear to God, I'll never smoke weed ever again in my life. I freaked out… It just doesn't mesh well with my brain at all.” – Malcolm (06:19, 06:34)

4. Virgo Vibes & Control

• Astrology Chat: Malcolm is a Virgo, September 15 (07:53). Both discuss wanting some control but not being overbearing, preferring others to make social plans (08:12).
  • “I like being in charge, you know?” – Malcolm (08:12)

5. Music, Sampling, and Going Viral

• Major Music Milestone: Don Toliver sampled Malcolm’s song "Chest Pain" for the intro to his new album. Malcolm was personally invited to perform guitar at Madison Square Garden (09:13–09:53).
  • “I'm just gonna go up and play the guitar…look handsome. It's like the dream of all dreams. And be next to Don Toliver? What?” – Malcolm (09:41)
• TikTok as a Platform: Malcolm credits TikTok for launching his singles, particularly “Roommates” and “Chest Pain” (29:48).
  • “TikTok is like the hub…they just play your songs on TikTok…that's how anyone hears it, apparently.” – Malcolm (29:48)
• On Going Viral: He downloaded TikTok specifically to “throw [songs] at the wall, see what sticks.” (30:27–30:52)

6. Instagram Deactivation Saga

• Malcolm’s Instagram was deactivated unexpectedly, prompting a crisis but also philosophical acceptance.
  • “I trust. I just trust it's okay. And I still have my legs and my arms and my heart, so it's okay.” – Malcolm (11:43)
• Discussion about the meaning of Instagram vs. TikTok: Instagram is more curated, almost "an art piece" to Malcolm (12:44).

7. On OCD, Rituals, and Mental Health

• Malcolm and Jake share an honest, detailed discussion about their experiences with OCD:
  • How it manifests (rituals, tics, anxiety around seemingly random habits)
  • Shame, stigma, and therapy/medication
  • Frustration over how misunderstood OCD can be (“People would be like, you don’t have OCD because you’re so messy.” – Jake (38:10))
• Notable Exchange on OCD:
  • “Do you have any nervous tics?” – Jake (31:32),
  • “No, just general tics. Yes. But we can move on from that as well.” – Malcolm (31:34)
  • “I've been in therapy for it since I was like...yeah, they’ve been trying to put me on meds for it forever.” – Malcolm (35:51)
• The entire section from ~35:31 to 39:00 is one of the longest and most sincere mental health conversations on the podcast.

8. Listener Advice Section ("Tell Me What's Wrong") – [43:08+]

Each question opens up honest and often empathetic advice, with both bantering thoughtfully and amusingly through dilemmas like:

• Gender Reveal Post-Wedding: Both acknowledge it’s “kind of mooching” to schedule a gender reveal after a wedding, but see both sides (43:18–45:25).
• Roommates Stealing/Boundary Problems: Advice is to confrontation, bring proof, and “go roommate to roommate” rather than a group drama (46:26–47:18).
• Gambling Addiction: Given a prompt, “My boyfriend spends all his money sports betting,” Malcolm delivers a firm response:
  • “This is a nightmare… Gambling addiction is so bad. I mean, this one’s black and white…Give him an ultimatum.” – Malcolm (49:09)
• Friendship, OCD & Relationship Anxiety: Both empathize with a listener struggling with intrusive thoughts about her boyfriend and a misunderstanding friend, highlighting the difference between gut instinct and anxiety distortion (56:01–58:51).

9. Family & Creative Life

• Malcolm’s cousin Jackson is both best friend and assistant—Jackson joins on-mic for a quick, funny “say the same word” game and discussion of day-to-day support. (33:22+)
  • “He’s my cousin and my brother...makes sure I have my head screwed on straight...” – Malcolm (42:38)
• Malcolm grew up in a creative family, with both he and sister Audrey pursuing music; Roommates was written away from the pressure, in a backyard flow state (27:10–27:57).

10. Random but Vivid Moments

• Food Poisoning & "Baby Polio": Tangents about medical mishaps (Houston’s artichoke, Sweetgreen vomit, Jake’s “baby polio” as a child) are delivered with humor and empathy (18:58–22:51).
• Geography Struggles: Both laugh about being “bad at geography” and embarrassing moments.
• Trivial Obsessions: Extended OCD talk about shower routines, faucets, phone habits has listeners likely both laughing and relating hard (37:02–39:06).
• Pranking & Playfulness: Stories of friendly deception, like the “dildo-lator” car part, show the easy, fraternal rapport between Malcolm and Jackson (60:23+).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “It's way easier to be told what to do...if you made the decision and it's not fun, you're like, I'm so sorry. I f**ed it up.”* – Malcolm (08:24)
• “Instagram is an art piece.” – Malcolm (12:44)
• “I'm a fan of dumps. You can quote me on that.” – Malcolm, about photo dumps (12:54)
• “We learned that we're more similar than we thought.” – Malcolm, episode wrap-up (62:17)
• “Treat others how you want to be treated—it's the golden rule. So I don't cheat. And if someone cheated on me, I would be so incredibly hurt.” – Malcolm (26:41)
• “Do you know anyone that just, like, raw dogs pants?” – Jake (04:16)
• “When you have bedbugs...even though it's not technically your fault, once you have bedbugs, you're the villain.” – Malcolm (23:47)
• “You have to let go [if] you want to get further and let this evolve.” – Malcolm, quoting Finding Nemo (24:25)
• “It's like a Black Mirror episode.” – Malcolm, on streamers/streaming culture (16:27)
• “If you want to go make friends, stay in New York.” – Jake (51:08)

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Segment Timestamps

• Coachella/Live Music Insights: 00:46–02:06
• Family, Siblings, and Basketball: 03:01–04:05
• On Weed/Anxiety: 06:16–07:41
• Virgo/Control Discussion: 07:53–08:44
• Don Toliver Sample & MSG Performance: 09:13–09:53
• Instagram Deactivation: 11:02–12:44
• Photo Dumps/Social Media Curation: 12:54–13:45
• OCD Discussion: 35:31–39:06
• Listener Advice Segment Begins: 43:08
• Pranks with Jackson: 60:23–61:43
• Wrap Up/Lessons Learned: 62:15–63:37

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Tone & Vibe

• Conversational, open, and lightly self-deprecating.
• Natural back-and-forth; moments of silliness, vulnerability, and real empathy.
• Both Jake and Malcolm keep humor at the forefront—even while discussing mental health, therapy, and anxiety.
• The addition of Jackson underscores the family, team, and support systems around young creative careers.

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Final Takeaways

• This episode stands out for its relaxed honesty, especially around mental health and the challenges (and joys) of life as a rising musician.
• Malcolm is revealed as grounded, introspective, and genuinely funny, with strong family/friend bonds and respect for therapy and personal growth.
• The advice section is both hilarious and actually helpful, always tinged with compassion.
• Do That Again (Malcolm’s new album) is out now, and both the album and the podcast reflect a spirit of young, artistic community, openness, and the courage to share what’s real.

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Recommended for: Fans of music, authentic mental health convos, inside looks at Gen Z social life, and anyone seeking relatable, laughter-filled wisdom for messy, modern dilemmas.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Hi, Jake.

[A]

Last time I saw you was at Coachella.

[B]

Yeah. Love Coachella.

[A]

Did you have fun?

[B]

It was cool. Honestly, after Coachella, I. I didn't talk to anyone for three weeks.

[A]

Why? What?

[B]

Because it was, I think, too many. Too many handshakes. It, like, took the energy drained out of me from all the, like, yo, have you met this guy? And it's like, hey, what's up? I'm Malcolm. And it's like, you're never gonna remember my name. I'm never gonna remember your name. It's kind of disheartening.

[A]

I did that to you.

[B]

Yeah, but I remember you.

[A]

No, but I did that to you. I, like, introduced you to.

[B]

Oh, yeah, for sure. And of course, it's. That's a part of the culture of it. But it's just like. I think the music was great. Had a lot of, like.

[A]

Who'd you see?

[B]

I saw. My favorite act was Turnstile.

[A]

You know what? I'm sad I missed them.

[B]

Yeah. And I just kind of happened to stumble upon them, and I don't really listen to Turnstile. And it was, like, the best. It was, like, spiritual and beautiful and. And it was cool to discover live music or, like, music through a live performance.

[A]

That's my favorite thing.

[B]

Yeah. Which I didn't know. I loved that. And now. Now I'm like, oh, wait, I need to do this more. Yeah.

[A]

Are you. That's the only time that's ever happened to you. Yeah.

[B]

I saw LCD sound system, and I hadn't really listened to them. I heard a few songs, but I hadn't really listened to them in depth. And I saw them live, and that was the other time, and that's it.

[A]

Do you want to tell me about those flip flops?

[B]

Yeah. They're actually my friend's brand.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. My friend Evan makes them, but I've just been, like, really flipping and flopping with my shoes.

[A]

Do you like how when you. Do you like when you walk and it makes the, like.

[B]

Ooh, I guess I don't really realize it. Is it like spongebob when he walks and it's like, yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm I'm down to have a sound effect with my walk. Then people can know.

[A]

You haven't noticed a sound effect with those flip flops. Those flip flops look like they spring back on your heel.

[B]

They totally do. I actually just. I was rocking these other flip flops and then I put these on today. These are kind of like my. Like I'm kind of showing out for you.

[A]

Oh, you are?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, you know, I called Audrey about this.

[B]

She told me.

[A]

Oh, she did?

[B]

Well, She's. Yeah, yeah, she did.

[A]

Well, of course.

[B]

Well, of course.

[A]

Well, of course.

[B]

It's like when you're telling me something you're telling my sisters, type B.

[A]

Are you guys best friends?

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

Some aren't.

[B]

No, it's true. Actually, it feels like most aren't for some reason. It feels like siblings don't get along as they should.

[A]

But she told me you're great at basketball.

[B]

That's what she told me. She told you?

[A]

She said.

[B]

She said like, yes. She was like, I told him to ask you about basketball. I was like, I don't know why she said that too. I'm okay.

[A]

She said you'd be. You loved basketball.

[B]

I love basketball. I still love it.

[A]

And did you play in high school?

[B]

My, my claim to fame with basketball in high school is that I didn't play on the team. I played baseball. Quit to like try theater, which is another story. But like anyways didn't play on the basketball team. But in senior year they were doing a three on three, like school wide basketball tournament and like the players on the team would play in it and I took two of my friends that weren't on the team and we won the whole thing.

[A]

Yeah. And you guys had not played basketball?

[B]

Yeah, we weren't like on the team, but we play basketball. But we weren't like on the team and making our whole personality and then

[A]

we won and we're the people that were on the team. So embarrassed.

[B]

Yeah. And I have this hole in my jeans and I'm just like, yeah, that's just the right amount of real estate.

[A]

Well, I would assume you're wearing underwear.

[B]

You would assume?

[A]

I. I would hope so.

[B]

I am.

[A]

Do you know anyone that just like raw dogs pants?

[B]

Asher Cartman.

[A]

Oh, from South Park?

[B]

No, no no, no. Asher Cartman, my.

[A]

Oh, that's Eric.

[B]

Eric Cartman. No, Asher Carman is one of my best friends and he's in my band and I just totally blew his shit up. But yeah, he.

[A]

I mean he seems to probably blow his own shit up.

[B]

Yeah. No, he's nuts. He's like. He's amazing. You'd love him. Well, he's kind of. Love or hate him.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Some people say that about me.

[B]

Okay. I think it's a. I think it's a very. Like, this is. It's a high integrity quality.

[A]

Oh, my God. Tell me more. It's also so hot in here. No, it was so cold outside. Now it's so hot.

[B]

And it was. It was cold outside. In the waiting room or in the outside, like, of the world outside?

[A]

Both.

[B]

Okay. Because it just started getting hot in the real world outside.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Which was really random because it was gloomy as.

[A]

As f. You're on the east side

[B]

now, east side, King.

[A]

Do you love the east side?

[B]

Someone's got to hold it down over there.

[A]

I feel like a lot of people are holding it down.

[B]

I know, I know. I like the east side, but I grew up on the west side. Where'd you grow up?

[A]

New York.

[B]

Where in New York?

[A]

Washington Heights.

[B]

Is that from.

[A]

In the Heights?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Is that the play you were in when you tried theater?

[B]

No. Audrey was in it, though. They did that when. When I was, like, in eighth grade and she was in. She's like a junior or something.

[A]

What play did you do when you tried theater?

[B]

I did. It was called Something Rotten.

[A]

Do you remember any of it?

[B]

I was in the troupe. I was in the ensemble and I danced around and it was like, I love the musical. I actually saw the musical on Broadway, too, before they. And we were the first high school production of it ever.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Thanks. But it was cool.

[A]

Do you remember any of the songs?

[B]

Yeah, as I call what's that Coming? It's called, like, the Black Plague. That was the song I sang. I didn't even. It wasn't even a solo, I would imagine.

[A]

Yeah, because you were in the troop.

[B]

Because I was in a freaking troop. Yeah. It wasn't a one man troop. Sadly, I would have been down for it to be a one man troop.

[A]

Do you smoke weed?

[B]

No, I. I haven't in, like, five years.

[A]

Were you a big stoner in high school?

[B]

Well, yeah, I just, like, was smoking weed, like, sophomore year of high school, like, all the time, and then I realize that's not my swag. And I don't. I swear to God, I'll never smoke weed ever again in my life. I freaked out.

[A]

Wait, why? What?

[B]

It just, like, doesn't mesh well with my brain at all. And it made me very freaking weird.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. It's just like. It clearly is, like, for people and not for people. And if it's not for you, like, it's not for you and it's not for me.

[A]

It's definitely not for me, but I love it.

[B]

Okay, so you'll, like, explain, like, it's

[A]

like, for me, like, you know how people are, like. I love, like, a glass of wine at the end of the day.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I love just like, smoking a little bit at the end of the day. Just laying down. So it is my mind work.

[B]

Yeah. There you go.

[A]

Well, then after those 10 minutes. Because that only lasts 10 minutes. That whole experience is only 10 minutes. After those 10 minutes, it's downhill. Really bad. Really, really, really.

[B]

Like, just, like, freaking out about stuff.

[A]

Yeah. Then the next day, I'm still freaking out. Like, today was just tears.

[B]

Tears. Interesting. Does it make you, like, kind of cloudy?

[A]

Always.

[B]

Okay, so. Well, better be a good 10 minutes.

[A]

It's the best 10 minutes of all time. I do my best work in those 10 minutes.

[B]

Good for you. Yeah, I. I think. I think. I don't think it's worth it. I wouldn't. That sounds like a nightmare.

[A]

It is.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like, that's how I would describe my life.

[B]

Okay. A nightmare. That's cute. Malcolm, you still in the nightmare?

[A]

No. No. When's your birthday?

[B]

I'm a Virgo on September 15, 2003.

[A]

So are you, like, super controlling?

[B]

No. I think everyone wants control to a certain extent, but I don't think I would be over controlling. But, you know, you, You. I like being in charge, you know? Do you like being in control

[A]

on a night out? No, I like somebody to make the plan. You tell me where we're going. Feel you, feel you, like, set it up. I don't want to pay.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. It's way easier. It's way easier to be told what to do. Like, and you don't have to bear the consequences of having made the decision in case, you know, it's like, so easy to be like, oh, I don't care. I'm easy. And then, like, if it's not fun, you'll be like, no, this is fun. Instead of like, if you made the decision and it's not fun, you're like, I'm so sorry. Like, I it up.

[A]

I wouldn't do the second part. I'd be like, well, you guys chose to follow me, so.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You should make more decisions for yourself. You sound like you have that setting.

[A]

I hate pressure.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Pressure.

[B]

Pressure makes diamonds. If you haven't heard, I haven't heard That I like pressure.

[A]

Oh, pressure makes diamonds. I love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How naughty. I love that.

[B]

Do you like pressure a little more now?

[A]

Yeah, I do. It makes it. Make it. So isn't one of your songs sampled in a Don Toliver song?

[B]

Yeah, it's called Chest Pain. Because I love. I love.

[A]

Yeah, that's E85.

[B]

Yeah, E85. And then now, I guess. Yeah. I don't know when this comes out. Probably not in the next three days, But I'm about to go on tour. Yeah, I'm gonna go on tour. And then before I go on tour, I'm gonna go and play that song with him in New York.

[A]

Shot it.

[B]

Yeah. On in, like, a few days.

[A]

Are you so excited?

[B]

Yeah, I'm just gonna go up and play the guitar on Shred and, like, I love it. I don't have to talk. I just get to hold the guitar and look handsome. It's like the dream of all dreams. And be next to Don Toliver. What?

[A]

Where are you doing this?

[B]

Madison Square Garden.

[A]

Wow. Is he gonna be like. And Malcolm Todd?

[B]

I don't know. I'm down to just, like, totally slide in there and, like, not even make a peep, like. And if. And if you know who I am, then it's really exciting for you. And if you don't, I'm just in the band. I kind of like that vibe more. But you can say my name. Say my name.

[A]

Say my name. So how'd you find out that? Well, I guess they would have asked if they could sample it.

[B]

Yeah, they sent it to me, like, a long time ago, and I was like, this is really good. And then. And I didn't hear anything about it for so long, and then they were like, it's track one on the album. And I was like, that's. Well, that's really cool. And now it's, like, this huge song, and I'm very honored to be a part of it. And Don. Don Tolliver's so good.

[A]

So good. The new album's amazing.

[B]

It's. Yeah. Yeah. I love it.

[A]

Are you excited for your new album?

[B]

Super excited. I love making music. Love singing it. Love playing it for people. Freaking living the dream.

[A]

You and Audrey are the same person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you get that a lot?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. We're. We're pretty. We're pretty similar. She. She was on this podcast.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How much screen time have your off screen time have you gotten with Audrey?

[A]

Not enough.

[B]

Not enough.

[A]

We were just talking about it. Not enough.

[B]

Yeah. You guys would probably have a blast

[A]

yeah, we were on FaceTime for a while the other day. I didn't want to get off.

[B]

Maybe she could plan one of your nights out.

[A]

Does she. Is she. Does she enjoy planning nights out?

[B]

I don't think it's like, one of her. Like, I don't think it revs her engine, but I think she could do a good job. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Well, Malcolm, what are you therapist about today?

[B]

Dude, I'm therapist about my freaking Instagram getting deactivated.

[A]

Yeah. How did that happen?

[B]

I don't know, dude. I don't know what I did. It's like, hopefully. Hopefully when I step out of this room, I have my Instagram back, but it's been too long.

[A]

Is it eating you alive a little bit?

[B]

No, because I trust. I trust. I just trust it's okay. And I still have my legs and my arms and my heart, so it's okay. But.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

But what the.

[A]

No, it's like, I can tell that you're thinking about it.

[B]

Well, I'm just there. Pissed about it.

[A]

Yeah, I. I guess, because I don't.

[B]

Hey, I don't know what I did.

[A]

Did this just happen? Like, this happened.

[B]

This happened last night? I. I. Splendid night. I shot a video yesterday. Cooked some food for, like, some of the people that worked on the set, and then we, like, had some drinks, and then I'm laying down. I was like, what a great night. Try to open Instagram. And they're like, no. And so. And then I, like, immediately text, like, three people in the middle of the night, and I'm like, code red. This is, like, the hub of all media for me. Like, can I get this back? And it still haven't gotten it back since, like, whatever, midnight last night. And I just want to know why and when I get it back. I'm just curious.

[A]

Do you use Tick Tock at all? It's not the same.

[B]

It's not the same. It's like, I have. Tick Tock is for, like. Yeah, like, Instagram is an art piece.

[A]

I kind of agree for sure. Are you a dumper?

[B]

No, I'm like. I'm like, one, two picks. Yeah, dumper. Like, I. I'm a dump. I'm a. I'm a fan of dumps. You can quote me on that. But. But my intentionality isn't in all the dump. What about you? You're done.

[A]

I'm a dumper.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As of late.

[B]

Feels good.

[A]

It just makes me feel cool.

[B]

You probably just have too many good photos where you're like, I can't just like.

[A]

Well, no, you have to go out of your way to take them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have to be like, oh, that's fair.

[B]

You don't have, like, people just fall, like, just nailing photos of you all the time. You need to get one of those people.

[A]

You think I'm like, a streamer?

[B]

No, no, no. God forbid. I think. I think just, like, one of the home. Like, I have my cousin, and, like, I can just be like, I won't feel. Because I feel really bad asking people to take pictures of me. I feel, like, really uncomfortable. But I found my person where I can be, like, take a picture of me. I want to look cute.

[A]

And it's your cousin.

[B]

Yeah. And he's my best friend and also my assistant. Is that him in there? Yeah. Jackson.

[A]

Jackson. You're his cousin?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, that's sweet.

[B]

He's also. He. We share the same middle name.

[A]

What's your middle name?

[B]

Todd.

[A]

Oh, my God. My middle name's Shane. Anyways, okay, so you're not a dumper. Your Instagram's deactivated.

[B]

Remind me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yours is activated, though.

[A]

Oh. I mean, I wouldn't be here if it was deactivated.

[B]

I know. I feel like I'm playing it pretty cool, Julian.

[A]

I know you care a lot more about it than you're leading on.

[B]

No, I care a bunch about it. I just, like, what is, like, me, like, freaking out gonna do?

[A]

Oh, please. I can't hear that right now because Louise is nodding her head, and I just don't even want to look at her right now. Speak on that. Expand.

[B]

I'm just looking like, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be. And if it's not meant to be, then me and God are going to have a talk later.

[A]

Are you religious?

[B]

No, not really. I mean, I believe in a higher power or whatever.

[A]

Yeah, Well, I take it all to Hashem.

[B]

Cool. Who's he?

[A]

He's Jewish. God.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[A]

And, like, there's the sinus friends in New York called Hashem's rents. And so me and my friends will be like, oh, my God, take a rants.

[B]

And how do you sign us rents? You don't mind me asking? Oh, you just.

[A]

So, like, right now, like, Peyton and I are like, oh, it's so.

[B]

It's. It's not. I was treating this as, like, a bathhouse scenario.

[A]

No, we're not actually rinsing. We're just like, oh, my God. Take a rinse.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's like, take a lap.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Take a rant. Hashem's rents.

[B]

I love this. Who's this friend?

[A]

It's all my friends.

[B]

Oh, it's all your friends? Yeah, a lot of those.

[A]

I have a lot of friends. Yeah.

[B]

Do you feel like you have too many sometimes?

[A]

You know, I used to, actually, when I was. When I was like, 20, when I was Jackson's age, I. I felt that I had. I had a lot of. I. I was spreading myself a little thin.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's. Yeah, I think that was like the Coachella effect, you know? Like, it's just like the. Too many people. It's like, we. We can't. This can't be harnessed, you know?

[A]

Well, Coachella is like, not like. Yeah, actually, I would say for the first time. Have you been to Coachella before?

[B]

That was my first time.

[A]

The first time always kind of sucks.

[B]

It was also my first time at a music festival that I didn't play, like, and I was just in the mix, like, kicking it.

[A]

Did you party after?

[B]

Yeah, I partied.

[A]

Well, I would like to get your opinion on streamers because you had a. Almost visceral reaction to them when I brought them up. Yeah, I don't watch or partake, but I am interested in the culture.

[B]

Yeah. It freaks me. I don't know. I don't know. Like, do I get canceled for saying I don't get streamers?

[A]

No, I don't get it. And what bugs me out about it is that if you meet the. Them irl, they. They're always streaming.

[B]

It's. It's like a Black Mirror episode.

[A]

Yeah, it's really scary.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know how much money they make, though?

[B]

A lot of money.

[A]

A lot.

[B]

They are like TV for a certain gen, this generation of kids. Like, that's tv, you know, like, when's. I don't know. I don't want to get too into the weeds about it, but it is that. That's like. That's like late night television to. I literally. Don't quote me on that because I love late night.

[A]

Do you?

[B]

Yeah, it's like, funny and, like, they tell jokes and there's musicians and I like. I love, like, Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel and all the. Jimmy, Jimmy. Jimmy Johnson.

[A]

What's your favorite sandwich?

[B]

Because I said Jimmy John's. I've been off sandwiches right now, but I just. I really have been. Cuz I'm just like, not eating bread like that.

[A]

Oh, are you on a diet?

[B]

I'm on a diet.

[A]

What's your diet, dude? Aran, you Ride for Arwan.

[B]

Yeah. Just let me go through it.

[A]

Like, hey,

[B]

I got to just. It's my first time living, so I'm just trying to eat as much Airan as I can. But it's just. It's just. I feel like it's just healthy and tastes good and it's simple.

[A]

How excited are you for the Don Tolliver thing? Do you guys text? You and Don?

[B]

Yeah, we've. We've DM'd a bit. I haven't met him, so I'm excited to go link him and. Yeah, just, like, being on stage and just like, playing the guitar and being, like, just a part of the band and not really, like, kind of being a little piece of the puzzle. Sounds lit. And that Master Square Garden is cool, right?

[A]

It is very cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Next. Play basketball there. Back to basketball.

[A]

Oh, yeah. See? Are you a Nick, or are you. You would be a Lakers fan.

[B]

Yeah, I just love the NBA. I don't even. I just. I'm. I'm just here for it all.

[A]

Who's your favorite player?

[B]

I love Anthony Edwards.

[A]

What team is he on?

[B]

The Timberwolves.

[A]

And that's Chicago.

[B]

Yeah. No, that's Minnesota. You were close.

[A]

Really close, actually, geographically. You like geography?

[B]

I'm bad at geography.

[A]

I'm really bad at you.

[B]

I wonder who's worse.

[A]

I bet you I'm worse. How can we. How can we test it, actually? What's your worst. What is your most embarrassing geography thing? Because I'll tell you mine.

[B]

You have to go first because you are.

[A]

I thought Florida was at the top of the map until I was bottom. Yes.

[B]

Well, you're just looking at it upside down your whole life.

[A]

No, I just thought it went New York, Florida, Louisiana, and that was it. One time I got food poisoning in Florida from eating an artichoke at Houston's.

[B]

You call it Houston's because people call it Hillstone.

[A]

I'm so sorry.

[B]

Are we not.

[A]

Are you being serious?

[B]

Houston's in Hillstone. It's like the same thing.

[A]

Yeah, but it's like I went to a Houston's.

[B]

Yeah, but people call it Hillstone.

[A]

Had I gone to a Hillstone, I would have called it a Hailstone.

[B]

But that's the same thing. They're this.

[A]

They're the same owners. Oh.

[B]

But they're not the same exact thing. I thought it was just like.

[A]

No, you want to know why? It's a little different. Everything's a little different. It's because if you're. You hit a requirement for being a chain, you have to show calories. And their things are so calorie heavy that they don't want to show you.

[B]

That's why I feel like every time I eat at Hillstone, I had it.

[A]

I had SPG for lunch today.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Which is the same.

[A]

Which is next to Honor Bar.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And then there's R D Kitchen, and then there's Hillstone, and then there's Houston.

[B]

It's. This is a black mirror episode.

[A]

It's Honor Bar, R D Kitchen, Hillstone, Houston, South Beverly Grill.

[B]

And they all have the spinach diploma. Sorry, Trigger. Word.

[A]

It's just like, I. That's what I had. And I had a whole artichoke. Oh, my God. I seriously, I don't think I can ever.

[B]

Oh, I had the artichoke last time I was there too, in New York.

[A]

Did you enjoy it?

[B]

I didn't get food poisoning. Yeah, it was fun.

[A]

I had a panic attack because of my food poisoning, and they had to pump me up with, like, something like, chill out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was throwing up Pepto Bismol. Like, straight pink.

[B]

Last time I got food poisoning, I had sweet green. And this threw up 13 times.

[A]

What?

[B]

Well, and if I had thrown up the 14th time, I was going to the hospital.

[A]

Wait, wait, wait. What protein did you have that caused this?

[B]

It was either some up romaine or it was the chicken.

[A]

Really? Isn't that E Coli?

[B]

Literally. I was like, this might be it for me.

[A]

You know, one time I had baby

[B]

polio as opposed to grown up polio. What's the disc?

[A]

It's like polio, J.R. so I got up in bed, and I remember getting up out of bed and I went to go stand up and fell to the floor, and I couldn't walk for an entire week. And everyone was like, oh, yeah, that's like mini polio.

[B]

And so just. It's just in your legs. Were you, like, coughing and, like, did you have, like, anything?

[A]

I just couldn't walk.

[B]

I couldn't walk. Cool.

[A]

And then my parents were like, you can. If you walk to us, we'll take you to twin. Twin boots. What's it called? Two boots. Six. And they were like, if you walk to us out of your, like, little. Not us. What's not Soldier stroller. Yeah, you can get pizza. And I got up and I walked.

[B]

And then. How long did the polio last? Just a week. You said?

[A]

Yeah. Can you fact check me on this? On baby polio? I swear, it's a thing.

[B]

Reminds me of, like, Baby Mario.

[A]

Baby polio?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, is it a thing? Louis, I swear I'm right. I mean, they just call it polio. No, but I. If I had polio, it would have been a whole thing.

[B]

Sounded like a bit of a thing. Just as polio is a highly contagious viral disease primarily. Told you it was baby polio. So you didn't freak out.

[A]

I did have polio.

[B]

Sounds like you just needed to hit. Hit legs a few more days.

[A]

Do you remember when I had polio as a child?

[B]

What?

[A]

That.

[B]

No, you didn't have polio.

[A]

Oh, you did. No, what you had was something kids

[B]

get where they are unable to walk for, like, three or four days. Yeah, it was. It was weird and scary, but it wasn't polio.

[A]

Yeah, but I thought you said it was, like, polio Jr. No, I forgot what it was called.

[B]

I mean, you can Google it. It's.

[A]

It's a temporary paralyzation.

[B]

Yeah. Where kids can't use their legs. And I forgot what. I mean, it was. It was freaky. I remember you pulling yourself across the floor.

[A]

I mean, it was nuts.

[B]

I had totally forgotten about that. Jesus Christ.

[A]

Okay. Love you. I love you. Yeah. I told you Polio junior Had it.

[B]

It's not a thing. It's. Okay. Well, I'm.

[A]

I did pull. It was so scary.

[B]

You guys know you're brave?

[A]

No, I'm brave.

[B]

I got scurvy the last week. I'm just kidding. Just, like, bringing up, like, old diseases.

[A]

I would literally. If you actually told me you had scurvy right now, I would actually. No, it's scabies that kill me.

[B]

Don't even say that.

[A]

Scabe. Have you ever had lice?

[B]

Yeah, I had lice one time when I was a kid, but I always buzzed my head, so it was chill. Now, if I had lice, knock on freaking wood.

[A]

That's not.

[B]

Whatever, but, like, that would suck because I like my hair. Like, I was so down, I was like, oh, another buzz cut? Sure. But now I'm like, buzz cut. I don't want that right now.

[A]

Have you ever had bedbugs?

[B]

No.

[A]

Why are you lying?

[B]

Because, no, my friend did, but I wasn't gonna blast them. Zip, zap. Oh, my mom. My mom had bed bugs. Once she got it, she got traveling, and she was really pissed, and I wasn't there the whole time. But every time I'd call her and be like, how's it going? She'd just be like, these fucking bedbugs. I'm gonna freak out. It's. It holds a weight. Even though it's not technically your fault. Like once you have bedbugs, you're the villain.

[A]

You think so you.

[B]

It's like it's like in the Spider man movie when like he becomes Venom. It's just like he can't get it off of him. And like you're still mad at him, but it's not his fault.

[A]

What's your favorite movie?

[B]

Spider Man. No, I'm just kidding. It's like probably goodwill hunting or elf or Nemo.

[A]

What do you love about Nemo?

[B]

Well, it's a childhood movie and I've seen it so many times and I love the father son relationship between Marlin and Nemo. And it's just a perfect movie. It's just like.

[A]

You have a favorite quote.

[B]

They're in this whale and Dory and Marlin are hanging on to the like taste buds of this whale. They're trying to like escape. And you know, ignorant but beautiful old Dory is telling Marlin, is telling Marlin, like, you have to let go if you want to leave this whale to keep finding Nemo. Like you have to let go. And then like she just yells at him and she's like, you have to let go. And he's like controlling over Nemo and that's why like he left. And it's this whole like dynamic and Dory in such a pure sense is like you just have to let go if you want to like get further and like let this evolve. And he like takes it in the sense of like, you have to let go of Nemo. And it's just beautiful.

[A]

Pixar movies are the best.

[B]

I remember watching that, that, that scene in Marine Bio class first period senior year and I had mask on because I was in school with a mask.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I had to put my mask over my face because I was tearing up.

[A]

Tell me about what high school was like in Covid.

[B]

Well, like a whole year, my whole junior year I was online the entire time not going. Cuz it was like we was zoom school, you know, like no one went to the campus.

[A]

Were you just miserable?

[B]

No, I was just like learning how to play the guitar and going on bike rides and like honestly panicking a little bit because of the weed that I had this like whole month where I like was very hazy because of like was smoking too much weed and. But anyways I was chilling. I was like learning how to play music and, and taking bike rides and like school was so easy and they couldn't hold you accountable for anything. Like how do you tell a kid to show up. Like, I'd be like, my camera's broken. I can't. Can't be on the class. And it's like, what, are you going to go to my house and check my computer camera? And so every kid did that, and they're like, what? Camera's broken. Sorry.

[A]

And you would just.

[B]

And I would go play the guitar

[A]

while you were in class. That was kind of like what I did in college a bit.

[B]

Yeah. Because. Did you go out? Did you have, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was easy to cheat.

[B]

So easy. Are you a cheater?

[A]

No. Have you ever cheated? Have you ever been cheated on?

[B]

I hope not. That would. That would. I'm. I'm big on the golden rule. Treat others how you want to be treated. So it's.

[A]

It is. It's the golden rule.

[B]

It's the golden rule. So I don't cheat. And it. Because if someone cheated on me, I would be so incredibly hurt. Have you ever wanted to cheat?

[A]

Well, I've never had. I've never been in the position to be able to cheat.

[B]

You've never had a freaking relationship?

[A]

No.

[B]

What? Your catch, man.

[A]

Oh, my God. I did not think that that's the direction that was going. And thank you so much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Tell me about your writing process.

[B]

I just, like, play on the guitar and hum until I'm, like, moved. Or I'll have a. Or I'll hear, like, a line or, like, think of a line and try to build around that. It's kind of just, like, you know. Yeah. Just kind of, like, strumming my guitar. And then sometimes it's that. Sometimes it's just, like, banging on, like, a bunch of synths. Whatever inspires me, and I just follow it until it's over.

[A]

So my favorite song of yours is Roommates.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So did that start, like, with the little riff on the guitar?

[B]

Yeah, it did. I remember I played it. I still have it somewhere on my phone. I played it into my, like, headphones on my iPhone, GarageBand, and just, like, demoed it out. And then I went on a walk. And then I, like, always forget. After I make a riff, I leave, and then I come back and I, like, hear it for the first time again, because I don't really remember what it was. And then I was like, oh, this is good. And then I went out to my backyard and wrote the whole song.

[A]

You just.

[B]

It just flowed just listening to it on my. On my phone.

[A]

Very musical family.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Do you have a. Because you discovered you wanted to do pursuit music when you were, like, 16 yeah. You taught yourself guitar. So what was the plan before that?

[B]

I don't know. I was really into writing something creative. You know, I was just, like, down to just, like, be creative and. And, like, dress like Joseph Gordon Levitt from 10 Things I Hate about you and go to high school and just, like, be cute and be into art, you know?

[A]

I've never seen that movie.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What are you waiting for?

[A]

I don't know. I'm a TV guy.

[B]

Do you watch TV Guy? I would say I'm more of a movie guy, but I feel uncultured in most things.

[A]

Do you? What? What? Do you watch any TV right now?

[B]

Anything right now? No. I mean, I'm watching Euphoria.

[A]

No, I can't because it's a big spoiler. And I opened Twitter and saw it first thing.

[B]

Oh, yeah. And I'm so off that side of, like, I don't see about Euphoria, so it's sick.

[A]

Do you ever check Twitter?

[B]

I don't have Twitter.

[A]

Twitter created Vine.

[B]

I like Vine.

[A]

How old were you when vine was?

[B]

Fifth grade.

[A]

Oh, so you loved Fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which was like, Hurricane Tortilla.

[B]

Yeah. All of it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Every time. Yeah. Like, there was guys who just, like, created, like, had, like, a skit culture. Like, Casey Fry.

[A]

Like, I know the name.

[B]

Yeah. Like, he's like, what did he do? Like, Nick Colletti. Like, you don't know these guys name. Yeah, it's like these just, like. And they're still funny. Like, they do, like, stand up, whatever, but, like, they just get. In seven seconds. They made me laugh out loud and, like, we're witty about it all in seven seconds. It's just like.

[A]

It is a hard medium to do that.

[B]

Yeah. But I mean, they really went short. Like, they almost, like, were ahead of their time, where they're like, we're gonna make this so quick to consume. Yeah.

[A]

And then it went away forever.

[B]

Yeah. Now we have Tick Tock.

[A]

Did Tick Tock launch your career?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, TikTok is like the. To me, that's like the hub. Like. Like, I see that as, like, that's just like, where so much stuff is consumed. And so, like, that's just like. It's like saying, like, did, like, radio or, like, back in the day? It's like, how did your career launch? It's like they, like, played your songs on the radio. It's like they just play your songs on TikTok. And that's how, like, anyone hears it, apparently. But, yeah, no, I for sure am viral on Tik. Tok. Yes. Super viral for.

[A]

It was roommates.

[B]

Yeah, roommates blew up. Roommates blew up. And. And chest pain.

[A]

And were you nervous to put those out at all?

[B]

No, I was like, I downloaded Tik Tok to put them out. I was like, this is purely a swallow your pride throw at the wall, see what sticks, like, vibe. And I was totally comfortable in that. I wasn't like, going around being like, guys, I'm like, big on tick tock, or, like, go, go check out my tick tocks. I was just like, I hope, like, a bunch of random people see this and it blows up. And then my Instagram is kind of for, like, this is me.

[A]

Oh, how's that going? Your Instagram, is it activated?

[B]

Supposed to be. Julian still now.

[A]

Do you have any answer as to why?

[B]

Working on it.

[A]

You're like, lowkey bugging about it.

[B]

It's. It's like, what? It's.

[A]

Sometimes I pretend I have fake eyelashes.

[B]

Real.

[A]

I do that. Have you ever, Louise, have you ever caught me doing that? If I get stressed out, I go. I go like that. I also go like this, But I do it, like, in a very serious way.

[B]

It's so funny because. What are you doing?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. I'll fake eyelashes. I'll fake chew gum. Although.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Do you have any nervous tics that you do?

[B]

No, just general tics. Yes. But we can move on from that as well.

[A]

Do you want to know what I'm therapist about today?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Okay. I'm therapist about the fact that

[B]

you didn't have an answer before this.

[A]

I guess I don't have an answer. I guess my therapist lately has been teaching me to do palms up.

[B]

What the does that do?

[A]

It's just like palms up. Like, you leave it to essentially hashem.

[B]

Like. Like pinky up.

[A]

No, pinky up is like a mindset. Palms up is like in action. It's like you notice everything going on in the world. There's a little.

[B]

Okay, I have this too. I do this in the shower, but I just. It's instead of palms up, it's let the water run over your head and listen to the drops of water.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

What are you drinking on?

[A]

Celsius and a Punch Pop Puppy that I haven't opened yet.

[B]

Which. So but like. Okay, anyways. Celsius. Like, if I drank that Celsius, I think, like, it would be bad. Like, I think I'd be.

[A]

You've never had to do it on tour before? You've never had to drink caffeine?

[B]

No. Like, no. Sometimes I'll have, like, a sip of Dr. Pepper before I go on stage. I know I'm crazy, but. But no, like, the whole, like. I was actually. I was recording my album and it was like. It was like the last week and we had to really get it done. And it was like 2am and I knew I had to be up till 6am and I had, like, a quarter of a Red Bull. Maybe like a half.

[A]

I luck with Red Bull, dude.

[B]

It tasted so good. But I was freaking out for a while.

[A]

That's my drink at a bar. Rebel Vodka.

[B]

Yeah. Does that not just get you just, like, jacked?

[A]

Bless you. Jackson. I knew that was you.

[B]

It was Jackson. Jackson, was that you? Someone fest. All right, whatever. Be honest. Fuck. We should bring Jackson.

[A]

Jackson, you can come in.

[B]

Jackson, come in for, like. Can we just do a quick section?

[A]

Do I come sit.

[B]

Go sit for a sec. Come, Ferris, sit.

[A]

You guys are best friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you guys want to play the game where you two have to say the same word at the same time?

[B]

Sure, sure.

[A]

Okay. One.

[B]

Also, do you think we sound the same?

[A]

Yeah. How do you guys know each other besides being cousins?

[B]

That's how we know each other. Yeah, we're family.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm. Okay. Let's just do it quick. Ready?

[A]

One, two, three.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Oh, well, now it's quite easy, huh?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[A]

One, two, three.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

What'd you say?

[B]

Color.

[A]

You said orange and you said basketball, and you couldn't get to the Knicks.

[B]

Oh, okay, we're at color and basketball.

[A]

Start again.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait. No, no, no. We can do this. Color and basket.

[A]

No, you can't. That's not the rules of the game.

[B]

Okay. Yes, sir.

[A]

One, two, three.

[B]

Broccoli.

[A]

Football broccoli. Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

One, two, three.

[B]

Big green egg. I feel you.

[A]

Wait, what'd you say?

[B]

Fitness.

[A]

And you said big green egg.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Oh, I know where I'd go with this.

[B]

Think, think.

[A]

You know where you'd go.

[B]

Okay, ready? Okay.

[A]

Three, two, one, steak. Wait, who are you? I was gonna go meal prep.

[B]

I've been doing that.

[A]

Right? You've been talking about.

[B]

Yeah, well, because I'm doing Airwon. But, like. Because the airwan got a little out of hand.

[A]

Just, like, financially.

[B]

It's just ridiculous. I love Airwon. But, like, that. That for me, every day, it's just. I was like, okay, maybe I can split. So half the week I'm doing meal prep and having someone, like, do it for weight. Like, much more sustainable prices and, like, cook it for me, and I just defrost it and eat it.

[A]

Are you sustainable?

[B]

As much as the next guy.

[A]

OCD things. I have to recycle.

[B]

I'm ocd.

[A]

You have ocd?

[B]

Yeah. Do you have, like, actual ocd?

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[B]

Oh, yeah, me too.

[A]

What's your ocd?

[B]

It manifests in, like, little ticks and, like, rituals.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. My shit's crazy.

[A]

My shit's crazy, too.

[B]

I've been getting. I'm. I'm in a good pocket or knock on wood.

[A]

Dude, honestly, are you on meds?

[B]

No, I've never done them, but I've been in therapy for it since I was like. Yeah, They've been trying to put me on meds for it forever.

[A]

I know.

[B]

This is the most I've ever talked about my ocd.

[A]

Oh, we don't have to talk about it.

[B]

No, it's totally fine. Let's just see where it goes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Well, I am on meds and in therapy for it, but I skip therapy for it every week.

[B]

Nice. Do you do, like, exposure therapy?

[A]

Yeah, like, I used to.

[B]

Not.

[A]

Well, I don't know if I want to tell you because I feel like. Do you know when someone tells you their OCD and then you catch it?

[B]

No, I, I, I, I'm. I'm. I won't.

[A]

Okay, so I can tell you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I used to not be able to, like, add songs to playlists.

[B]

This is so classic.

[A]

Like, I would have to do it four different times. And then. What else?

[B]

I have something crazy with my phone right now. Right now. It's been manifesting on my phone, and it's so annoying because you're on your. I'm on my phone so much, and it's just so funny. It's like, I. I'll be. I'll be able to, like, kill a tick, and then it'll come back, like, 10 times stronger in a new tick.

[A]

And. Yeah.

[B]

Damn. Yeah. I'm like, I thought I had you, and now all of a sudden, I didn't even realize. But it's on my phone a lot right now with, like. Oh, dude. So weird. But, like, every time I, like, if I'm scrolling, like, if I'm scrolling a song on Spotify, the. The, the bottom, like, song has to line up to where there's no. Of the line showing.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. When I take a screenshot, the little thingy that, like, scrolls up and down, the little navigator bar has to disappear. And if I take a screenshot, I have to delete it, and then I can't take a new screenshot until that photo is deleted out of my recently deleted.

[B]

And right now, putting on my shoes right now is like a movie.

[A]

Yeah. Same with me in showering. It's just impossible.

[B]

Oh my gosh. Took me. It took me. Take me so long to get out of the shower. I had to. I had to. I had to really work on that one.

[A]

Yeah, there's like a little bit of soap on me. I have to restart the shower and do my whole thing again.

[B]

Dude, in faucets kill me.

[A]

How? How do they kill you?

[B]

They have to turn on at the same. If it's ever two faucets at the same time, like a hot and a

[A]

cold, they have to turn on the

[B]

same time and go off at the same time. And if it's like a boom and then.

[A]

Or do you have magical thinking where you think something bad's gonna happen? Oh my God. We're low key. More similar.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Than I anticipated.

[B]

This has been OCD talk.

[A]

Well, you know, a lot of people don't talk about it.

[B]

It's like, it's intense as hell. And it's like, I don't even wanna. Do you get triggered by when people are like, oh, I'm so OCD about this?

[A]

Yeah. I get really angry.

[B]

It's like just in my. In my head, I'm like, you'll never know. It's okay.

[A]

Well, cuz people didn't believe me in high school and it was very frustrating because I'm very messy. I'm a messy eater. I live messy. I just like my whole life.

[B]

Oh my gosh. We are similar.

[A]

I think we are too. And I. People would be like, you don't have OCD because you're so messy. I'd be like, no, I. I think I do have ocd because I googled it and this is what came up.

[B]

Yeah, there's. I've never been more sure of something.

[A]

That's how I feel as well. And you've had it since you were. I've had it since I was like seven.

[B]

Yeah, same. Literally my whole life.

[A]

Like, remember your first ritual ever?

[B]

I remember, dude. Yeah. I remember being like in. I remember playing football on my cul de sac and being like, if I do this, this is gonna happen.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then. And nailing it and being like, that's how the world works. And then that was the rest of my life.

[A]

Yep. Mine was. I started to touch things evenly and then I was like, and if I touch it evenly, good things will happen. I think I was in the pool.

[B]

Yeah, it's like very, like, very like childish stuff where you're like so like, oh, this is so. This makes so much sense. And now it's like, cut to us.

[A]

And actually the first time I ever saw it portrayed was on Girls on hbo when Hannah has an OCD episode. You should watch Girls.

[B]

Yeah. Audrey loves that show.

[A]

It's the best show of all time.

[B]

She thinks Adam Driver is the one.

[A]

Really? He's just.

[B]

Just because of that show.

[A]

He's so hot.

[B]

I'm like, I see him in some other things and I'm like, he's the one. But apparently he's like so great in that show. Was in the army, huh?

[A]

Yes, I did know he was in the army. And then he did Girls. Well, he did Tiny Furniture, her first short film. And then she did Girls. Yeah. Do you have a favorite song of your sisters? And you can't say Phoebe, just cuz you covered it.

[B]

Okay, well that is my favorite one. But then I also love. I love Silver Jubilee. I cry to Silver Jubilee like almost every time I listen to. It's so funny. I like have this moment when she goes, I'm going telling my sister your secrets. I just like, why do you think? Because that's my sister she's talking about. And I believe her because she does tell her all those secrets and I just. I'm like, I know her.

[A]

Oh, that's so sweet.

[B]

Super sweet.

[A]

That album is one of my favorite albums of all time.

[B]

Yeah, same. It's insanely good.

[A]

It's like actually we talked about it in my last episode, how good it is.

[B]

She'll never top that. I'm just kidding, yo.

[A]

She absolutely will.

[B]

No, she will. Trust. I see. I'm seeing, I'm seeing as you will

[A]

top all your previous work with your upcoming album, do that again, out June 5th.

[B]

June 5th.

[A]

What's your favorite song off the album?

[B]

It just switches all the time. But I think right now I really love the song do that again. It's the title track and what else? Maybe the one called Obsessica.

[A]

You have a song called Obsessica?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What's it about? Are you lying?

[B]

It's about being obsessed with girls and

[A]

you just called it Upsetica.

[B]

Yeah, because there's like this bit at the end of the song where like I just start like rattling off girls names and it's like, Jessica, Rebecca.

[A]

You low key rap? Sometimes, yeah.

[B]

Low key.

[A]

Do you have a freestyle? I wouldn't make you do that now because it would make me uncomfortable.

[B]

But yeah, it makes. Oh, it's the most uncomfortable thing ever to. Yeah, I don't often freestyle and if I do like I'm, I just like throwing like a, a quick line and then step back out. I'm not like. And also like totally killing the vibe.

[A]

Have you seen?

[B]

Yeah, and also just like, I think that's a thing is like just in like boy culture, like dudes being like dude just lighting up and like freestyling with the boys in the car. Like, I'm like, that's the last thing I've ever related to, like feel I, I, I. What I love is like methodically writing a rap, very well thought out and sharing it with your friends.

[A]

Oh, you like a smart. A smart.

[B]

Yeah, we're like, I'll with my friends sometimes, like we'll all like, we'll like make a groove and then we'll all like write our own verses and like share them with each other. And like that's fun to me.

[A]

But like, oh my God, you guys are like all like a little like creative little.

[B]

Yeah, I have like all little creative friends.

[A]

Oh my God, that's so amazing.

[B]

It's awesome.

[A]

It reminds me of like Joanie Mitchell and all her friends in like the 60s.

[B]

Yeah, they all like a good portion of them like dress like that too. And it's a little funny to me.

[A]

So you're like Johnny Mitchell.

[B]

Yeah, I'll be Joni. Huh. And the Laurel Canyon vibes.

[A]

Yeah. Have you ever heard the Our House demo with Joanie? Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I have.

[A]

It's amazing.

[B]

That's one of my favorite songs of all time.

[A]

Our House.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What are.

[B]

I covered it on tour with those friends I'm talking about who are also in my house.

[A]

How beautiful is that?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I am curious like after, upon meeting Jackson, what does he do for you?

[B]

He is, I mean, obviously first and foremost, he's my cousin and my brother. My family love that. But he's also a stellar assistant and he goes everywhere with me and makes sure that I have my head screwed on straight and make sure that everything's running smoothly and helps me with stuff that I need to take off my plate, you know, like so an assistant.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So do you know about the tell me what's wrongs?

[B]

No.

[A]

So the right in and they tell us what's wrong. And honestly, I would love to hear your take on some of these.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

My sister in law wants to do her gender reveal the day after I get married. I think it's actually insane to do it the day after our wedding. That we are all driving five plus hours to and from. There are so many other days to choose from. Am I being insensitive? What should I do? Her reasoning is that all of our family is still in town by then.

[B]

That's what I was.

[A]

Super valid.

[B]

Actually, I was. I was going to say that I was like, if she wants to do it when everyone's in town, that kind of makes sense.

[A]

Have you ever been to a gender reveal?

[B]

Do you. Is that something you go to?

[A]

Yeah. They're so fun. No, they're literally my favorite thing ever.

[B]

Oh, yeah, no, I.

[A]

When I was an assistant, I planned.

[B]

Oh, tell me about your assistant. Like, Jackson's also, like, he could maybe learn a few things.

[A]

Well, I was an assistant.

[B]

Yeah, tell me about it.

[A]

I realized my. I actually didn't plan my boss's gender reveal because I wasn't an assistant at that point, but I planned his engagement

[B]

party and I blacked out at the engagement party.

[A]

Blacked out.

[B]

I've never blacked out in my life ever.

[A]

It's horrible. It's the worst thing ever. You wake up and you're like, what happened? But I haven't blacked out in a minute.

[B]

Okay, good. I like that I was blacking. I just feel like I couldn't. Like, that's just so, like, you not knowing what happened. Like, I can't imagine, like, someone being invested in you and being like, what happened, Jake? And you're like, I don't know. And you weren't there. It's like, so.

[A]

It's the worst thing ever. But in college, it's like a very big part of the culture blacking out.

[B]

Right?

[A]

It's like, we're. What are we gonna do tonight? Blackout.

[B]

Yeah, blackouts. Not remember anything lit.

[A]

If I was this girl, I'd be like, maybe you can wait like a day after. Well, actually, it's. Yeah, I honestly can. I tell you, I understand why this girl's annoyed because she's getting married, and then all the photos the next day are gonna be the gender reveal, not the marriage.

[B]

I totally understand why it's annoying because it's. It's her big weekend, and there's only one wedding.

[A]

You can do a gender reveal over zoom.

[B]

They're two different things. You know, it's like, you wouldn't plan a gender of reveal. Like, it's a wedding. So she's putting all this towards her wedding, and then she's just kind of riding in off the. Off the, like, effort that it is, you know? So I guess it is. It's kind of like.

[A]

It's like you're, you're kind of mooching. You're taking. Yeah. You're mooching off of the fact that everyone's in town for my event that I planned.

[B]

I see both ways. And I'm probably going to do that for like most of these. Cuz I'm. I'm that type of guy. But maybe not. Maybe not.

[A]

Hi Jake and beautiful guest.

[B]

Oh, thank you.

[A]

Yeah. My roommate and her boyfriend have been stealing stuff for me and lying about it. Some of my more intimate possessions too. Ew. And it's really getting weird. I catch some of my clothes, remotes, chargers, etc, in their room all the time. And it's such a weird unspoken thing. How do I talk to them about this? I hate confrontation. This reminds me of the crown.

[B]

This is with. Is it with.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So with Emma Stone.

[A]

No. Not Anne White. Not Anne Boleyn.

[B]

Jane Eyre.

[A]

Jane Eyre. Oh my God. And she doesn't speak up for herself ever. Everyone's so rude to her. She never says anything.

[B]

Yeah. Confrontation. You gotta work on that girl, Jane.

[A]

Air Nolan.

[B]

Wow. I was in Jane Eyre in high school.

[A]

Oh, and she never says anything, right? Yeah.

[B]

And I was like the bully in it.

[A]

Yeah. They all bully her.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What would you do if someone was. If Jackson was healing yourself, you would say something immediately.

[B]

For sure. I'm a little, I'm a little gray on like the personal. Because she was like some very personal items. Then she was like the remote in my clothes, which sound like very not that personal. So like I'm trying to break down the psychology. How freaky is this?

[A]

I, I, I assume she means like the girls. The other girls taking her underwear.

[B]

And the boyfriend, where does he come into play? Like my like them as a team. It's starting to feel like this weird rouge like where they're like stealing. I'm just trying to feel like is just laying around and she's overreacting. Or, or, or are they like teaming up?

[A]

I'm on her side.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I would be like, you need. But it's two against one. How scary.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They'll be like, we didn't steal your.

[B]

I think you just got to go roommate to roommate and then have her extend it to the boyfriend. It doesn't need to be a group.

[A]

Talk smart and also take photos.

[B]

Take photos of what she stole.

[A]

Yeah. Be like, take photos of it in her room. Be like, you stole this look.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, as if you're confronting a liar. You need to have proof you're very right.

[A]

Have you ever been in this. Have you ever been in a situationship with a liar or a relationship with a liar?

[B]

No. And lying is a huge no go for me, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I just. Because I don't lie.

[A]

Do you think I could get my ears pierced?

[B]

For sure.

[A]

Louis says it would be really bad for the brand for me.

[B]

Like, Jake's just got to be Jake. And if that means piercing is used. Well, if he wants to do it, he's got to do it.

[A]

Can you picture me with, like, one tiny hoop here?

[B]

Yeah. Also, like, it's not. There's nothing wrong with evolving. Like, if that's not you. A year ago, like, when did you

[A]

get your ears pierced?

[B]

I was, like, 16.

[A]

Oh, okay. So that's been you.

[B]

It's been me.

[A]

But, like, I only wanted to do it because I started posting Instagram tubs and I felt like, you know, like. Like, artsy. Like, I posted in my Instagram dumb today, like, a photo of a fire hydrant spilling out water, and everyone swiped over it and was like, do you really need this? And I said, yes, yes.

[B]

And then. Okay, I have a question. Do you. Would you feel like. Do you feel like you could get the earring and then if it wasn't for you, a week later, take it out?

[A]

And that's how I thought it worked. But Louise is. Apparently, you have to keep it in for three months.

[B]

Whatever. But I'm just, like, saying, would you feel fine? Like, being like, oh, I tried a thing and it failed in front of everyone?

[A]

Yeah, I do that consistently.

[B]

Okay, then you're good. I'd be worried if you were like, oh, I have to really commit to this. And if, like, if it's not. But just try. If it doesn't work, take it out. Right.

[A]

She really does not want me to get an urine.

[B]

I'm fighting for you.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

All right, Louise, my.

[A]

My boyfriend is constantly sports betting all night and day. He recently spent his whole paycheck on betting in three days. He even asked me for money so he would be able to continue to do it. Oh, what a.

[B]

This is a nightmare.

[A]

He has money in his savings. But should I be concerned?

[B]

I mean, beyond concerned? Yeah. Gambling. Gambling addiction is so bad. Yeah. I mean, there's. There's. This one's black and white.

[A]

Yeah. You think? What, break up with him?

[B]

No, don't go right to breaking up with them. He'll probably just lose even more money. I think just, like, basically I would. I would give him an ultimatum. You Got to pick me or the gambling. And then let's see how he rocks.

[A]

Have you ever given someone an ultimatum before?

[B]

I know what I need in a relationship, and I'm like, I'll be a great partner if, like, we can hold up the same, like, standards for each other. And I'm like, if someone's not meeting my standards, like, respectfully, I'd be like, okay. Like, this won't work for me, like, as a partnership. And so I'll be like, you have to, like, kind of. I've given the ultimatum of, like, can you, like, understand where I'm coming from or not? And if you don't, then it's okay. Then we. It's not gonna work.

[A]

You're very emotionally intelligent.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

Have you gotten that before?

[B]

Yeah, I think it's all a therapy I did since I was a little kid.

[A]

Yeah, I was about to say, you must. Your parents seem great.

[B]

They're great, actually. I've met your mom, you've met Jill.

[A]

I've met your mom, and she was the nicest person I've ever, ever met in my entire life. And I've actually never forgotten it. Audrey hosted a reading with substack, and she so kindly invited me to read one. Oh, want to talk about ocd? My OCD was almost like. Don't say the word kindly. Lately, I've been having issue with the word kindly, dude. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

I just feel you so hard. Oh, my gosh, I feel you so hard. I have. I'm not even going to go.

[A]

I couldn't write the word. Thus all of college. Still can't.

[B]

By the way, I have a crazy one that I'm not going to say because I'm like, I need to harness it before I, like, let it out into the world.

[A]

Okay, keep it. Keep it.

[B]

But it's a. It's on par with what you're saying.

[A]

A bunch of my friends and I moved to NYC last summer after we graduated college, but now a lot of them are moving away for new jobs and or grad school, either this summer or next summer. I love New York and want to stay, but I'm scared I'm going to be stranded, friendless this time next year. Any advice for making postgrad friends? Well, you're in the easiest city to make friends in the entire world. New York is. I feel like everyone wants to make a friend in New York.

[B]

It's. It is. It's like, if you want to go make friends, stay in New York.

[A]

Right. And do you ever want to move to New York.

[B]

Yeah, I actually lived in New York for a year.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And I loved it.

[A]

Where'd you live?

[B]

I lived in the East Village and it was like my version of college because I didn't go to college and I felt like being in the East Village was that for me.

[A]

So, like, what, like, how was it college for you?

[B]

Like you'd wake up being around kids my age. You know, like in. When I was in LA and I wasn't going to college, there wasn't a hub for me to, or like kind of like a circle, like a literally geographic, like place to be in where like I was.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So I wanted to like go drive to a college campus which, like, but the streets are the campus. So I could just be on the street and feel surrounded by.

[A]

Did you go to Oregon for like a week?

[B]

I dropped out the week before I was supposed to go to Oregon.

[A]

Got it. Yeah.

[B]

Which everyone gets confused. I was a week away from going to Oregon.

[A]

Right. And you were like, fuck this.

[B]

I was like, no, yeah, yeah. School wasn't for me. But you went to school.

[A]

I went to usc.

[B]

Right. Because you were talking, you were like,

[A]

you don't need to get, you know,

[B]

this reminds me of college. Erwan reminds me of college. And I was like, okay, LA college.

[A]

I said erwan reminds me of college.

[B]

Yeah. Or you said like something in the air one that reminded you of college.

[A]

I guess it does. I went to Iran a bunch in college.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

The Silver Lake air one, actually. Which is underratedly the best one. Well, what would you prescribe them that, that Post Grad girl? I would prescribe the movie. Post Grad.

[B]

What's that?

[A]

It's a movie about Post Grad and I saw when I was like in third grade, so I had no idea what the was going on, but now I'm sure. Maybe I should re watch it.

[B]

Yeah, I would just like just be fearless. Just like, just like conquer whatever social fears you have and something good will come out of it.

[A]

Love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you watch Stranger Things?

[B]

Yeah, I didn't finish. I've watched like, I feel like I've watched like 70 of the episodes and I couldn't tell you like a single detail about the show.

[A]

Do you like thrillers? Dark stuff or.

[B]

No, not too dark. I just went and saw Obsession.

[A]

Oh my God. We've been talking about it all day.

[B]

Did you see it?

[A]

I've heard it's unbelievable.

[B]

It's so good. It's super spooky. I, I, I, I had, had A little bit of a night nightmare vibe. You have nightmare the night before? Well, it was like I woke up in the middle of the night, and then I couldn't get back bad to sleep. Every time I fall asleep, like, right before, it would be like, boo. Like, in my head.

[A]

Have you ever. Do you ever, when you fall asleep, get the muscle spasms and you like. Yeah.

[B]

Is that like a boy thing or is that like a.

[A]

No, it's an anxiety thing. I think I have the worst anxiety dreams where my teeth are falling out.

[B]

People are pulling them out.

[A]

I had a dream the other day, my daughter Cassidy was sleeping over, and she woke up to me screaming at her like, no, you can't. You can't.

[B]

You were doing that in real life?

[A]

Yeah. And I woke up and she was. She was like, what the just happened?

[B]

That's dark.

[A]

I know.

[B]

That's okay, though. That's a part of your. Like, it's a part of your makeup, and that's why you're you.

[A]

Oh, thank you.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Are you excited to tour?

[B]

Yeah, I love touring because I toured my besties. Yeah.

[A]

I went on tour and I would go and speak, and I went with Louise and man.

[B]

You did the bus.

[A]

I did the bus. Do you have a bunk or a room?

[B]

I have a room, but sometimes I just do the bunk.

[A]

Bunk. I feel like everyone gets better sleep.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, it's like a lot of rattling around in the back room.

[A]

Oh, this one's for you because you hate liars, basically. My best friend since childhood has turned into a white liar these days. Never really to me sometimes. But, like, this is a huge red flag for me and. And other people, and I want to bring it up to her, but she always writes it off as cute. Well, at least she admits it. We've known each other for 10 years. How do I make her realize it really is that deep?

[B]

You actions speak louder than words. You got to just. She's got to. If she, like, she's got to, like, there's got to be a true consequence, like, and I don't know how deep to her best friend. Like, these two love each other. It's a slippery slope because it's like, you don't want to, like, X someone out, but, like, I think space or like, letting her, like, sit with what she's doing is better because if you just tell someone who's like, a general liar to stop lying, that is, like, they do. They say it's cute. I think there needs to be something bigger than saying stop.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Does Jackson ever lie to you?

[B]

Dude with the means? Yeah. Jackson sometimes can freaking fib the truth and. But that's, you know, he doesn't do it as much anymore. Anymore.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Because he knows I hate lying. But it's like I'm like just keep it a stack with me. That's what like besties are for, right? I don't lie. Yeah.

[A]

Were you just lying? No, I can't lie. I'm a very anxious person and it's now manifesting into me being weirdly, weirdly bloated at the most random times and it's affecting my workouts and daily routines. We. I relate to this. Could this actually have to do with my stress levels? And how do you recommend dealing with stress that impacts your body? Well, I don't. I don't know. But that does happen to me all the time.

[B]

I'm now realizing when you're stressed you feel bloated.

[A]

I think so, yeah. Yeah. I think I like bloat myself because I'm so stressed out all the time. Because your cortisol levels are so high.

[B]

Okay, that makes sense.

[A]

I would take like medication for that.

[B]

Like debloating medication?

[A]

No, like I would take like anti anxiety medication that you go see a psychiatrist.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. So.

[A]

But you know, healthcare is impossible in this country, so.

[B]

God speed girl.

[A]

Yeah. I have relationship ocd, so sometimes I spiral thinking that my boyfriend isn't the right person for me, something terrible is going to happen to him if we stay together. Etc. Recently I opened up to my friend about how I was feeling and she told me I should listen to my quote gut feeling. And now she keeps trying to convince me to break up with him. She knows I struggle with relationship ocd, but I feel like she doesn't really get it. Any advice? Well, see the gut feeling and OCD is very difficult, at least for me because I have a gut feeling constantly. But really it's just anxiety.

[B]

Yeah, I'm big on like I'm big on trusting your instincts and I don't know this person so I can't read. Like if I see somewhere and I know their instincts are right, the best advice you can always give those people is trust your instincts.

[A]

And then just her instincts are saying that if she stays with the guy then some. Something bad will happen.

[B]

Yeah. So that's a distortion.

[A]

Okay, elaborate.

[B]

That's. That's anxiety talking. And you're making up for your anxiety with like irrational decisions and like.

[A]

But you deep down the.

[B]

That's been me by the way, this whole time. I'VE just been, like, really chill about it.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

Yeah. What's up with that?

[A]

I don't know. It happens to me all the time. Have you heard me do it or is that the first time you heard it? Because it's been happening to me this entire episode.

[B]

Oh, no, I haven't heard it.

[A]

But it's been happening to you too?

[B]

Yeah, I've been like.

[A]

Anyway, like, yeah, me too.

[B]

Wait, okay, wait. Keep building on this because this one's exciting.

[A]

Okay. I don't know. Like, she.

[B]

Well, so her. She's saying, like, because this is kind of dark and crazy, but, like, she thinks that she loves her boyfriend. I know. I'm just. I don't know. She just. I just burped. She. She. She loves her boyfriend, but she thinks if she stays together with him, something bad's gonna happen. Which. There's no justification to that. That's just a full blown, like, that's a worry that she's having.

[A]

So should she leave her boyfriend? Because now her friend is like, you should leave him.

[B]

No, that your friend's giving you bad advice. If you love him, stay with him and fight through this feeling. And you'll come out the other side and tell your boyfriend about it or go to therapy about it. Because Jake and I can only do so much in these, like, 20 seconds. It sounds like something you really dive into.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Yeah. What do you think?

[A]

Exactly what you just. Well, I. Like, if that was me, I totally understand that. She seems, like, very selfless, this girl. Like, something bad's gonna happen to her boyfriend and not her.

[B]

No, for sure. That's sweet. But that. But she loves him. It's like, what the hell? Don't let, like, you have to fight for what you love and, like. And you have to fight through the, like, distortions and stuff to, like, you know, and that'll be the best for her life. Even though it's like the quick fix is like, break up with them, but that's not going to solve anything. And then also that's going to fuel the next distortion in your brain to feel like, okay, well, then I'll just get. You know, it's enough. Make the evil thing in your mind feel like you. It's gonna. It can just make you do these things right. That's, like, not how you should live your life.

[A]

What music are you listening to these days?

[B]

I'm listening to, like, really chill music in the last, like, week. Like, dude, the Sufjon Stevens songs, like, which is the saddest song ever. The One cardinal hits the window.

[A]

He did the call me by your name soundtrack.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the one that's.

[A]

Is it off the carrying load

[B]

and I told you what happened and you

[A]

like, like, folk music and stuff.

[B]

I'm down. I'm down. It's just like. It's all. It's all vibes. It's all pockets. It's like, that's why you want to get your ears pierced. It's like, because you're just feeling it right now.

[A]

I know, but it is so not me now that we've, like, continued to talk about the ear piercing. Like, if I was sitting here with an ear piercing, I'd be so uncomfortable. Miserable.

[B]

Yeah. Well, maybe it's not you.

[A]

What?

[B]

Maybe you know him better than you know he. He knows himself.

[A]

Do you feel that way?

[B]

Yeah, she totally did. While I was watching her, like, watch me try to convince you to do that. She was just, like, an idiot.

[A]

They freaked out when I pranked. Do you, like. Do you love pranking your friends?

[B]

Pranking? I. I do. I feel bad really fast.

[A]

Oh, I don't.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

I love a good prank. It's my favorite thing on planet.

[B]

But, like, once it's like, it gets so sad. Defenseless.

[A]

One time I told Manny I was going to be on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, and she was so excited.

[B]

I've never seen Jackson does this to me all the time.

[A]

Like, what?

[B]

He'll just be like. He'll just say something that doesn't exist. And just, like, he has such a stone cold face, like, with, like, telling me stuff that, like, sounds real but isn't real. And I'll just, like, believe him.

[A]

Like, why, dude?

[B]

What was the dildilator? Explain the dilde later thing.

[A]

Well, he has to come back because

[B]

I can't come back in. So Malcolm's car had. Was this a. Oh, flat tire. Got a flat tire. So I had to bring it in and, like, get it checked out. And they had sent me the report back, and there was, like, all this wrong with it, but it was gonna cost, like, $2,000. But I was just sitting there. I think we got home, like, late, and I was like, yeah, they said, like, it'd be $2,000 for, like, the dildo lady on the bottom of the car. And he was, like, not really, like, paying attention or something. And he was like, bro, just like, give him the money or, like, whatever. He was like, just fix the car. It was like, whatever. And then I, like, go around the car. I'm like, bro, the dildelator. And he, like, looked at me, and then I just, like, couldn't stop making fun of him for it. For, like. That's a prank.

[A]

So that's a prank.

[B]

It's a prank. I like pranks.

[A]

My friend Matt does that all the time. He'll point to, like, Meryl Streep and be like, don't you just love Nicole Kidman?

[B]

Sounds like some you would do. Yeah.

[A]

You remind me a lot of Matt, actually.

[B]

Shout out Matt.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're over it. Yeah. He was literally like, yeah, dude. Just like, the tires are 1,000. Then, like, you could get the gas caps fixed or whatever. And then, like, the Dildo later is 2000. I was like, you guys live together? Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Your roommates?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, we tr. Well, we're also, like, traveling so much, so it's like. We are. We are. We're just. Wherever where everybody goes, I go.

[A]

Are you a good traveler?

[B]

It's easier when you have, like, a team. I have a tour manager and I have Jackson, and, like, so they make sure I don't lose any, you know? It's nice to have a team.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's, like, watching over you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Comforting. They just make sure, like, if I have a problem, I can text people, which is, like, not a real way to live, but. Whoops.

[A]

It is what it is.

[B]

Yeah. For sure. I gotta write whoops.

[A]

Well, Malcolm, what did we learn today?

[B]

We learned that we're more similar than we thought.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We learned that this is a great vibe in here. You like it? Yeah, I love it. This is great.

[A]

I had fun with you.

[B]

I had a blast. I'm actually stoked. I think this is really good.

[A]

Yeah. I think it's really funny.

[B]

Yeah. And we learned. I don't know, there's like a. There's a flip flops moment. You took your shoes off. We learned that maybe hoop earring ultimately isn't for you, but we're not writing.

[A]

But if I go get one, I'll go get one with you.

[B]

I'm. Text me.

[A]

Really?

[B]

For sure, and maybe I'll. Someone told me yesterday I should get an eyebrow piercing, which I'm not gonna do, Julian.

[A]

But I actually think it would look good.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

So do it. If that's your truth.

[B]

If you get the ear.

[A]

If you. If I get the ear, you'll do the eyebrow? Okay, I'll do it. I would literally do it next week.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

I would do it today, but my physical therapist is coming to check out my wrist.

[B]

Because if you can hear it's cracking.

[A]

It's cr. Like, is that.

[B]

Did you look that up on Google?

[A]

Yeah. It's because I broke my wrist when I blacked out when I was in 11th grade, and it's never been the same since.

[B]

But it's just catching up to you now?

[A]

Kind of. Yeah. My body is kind of. I'm going through my Saturn return.

[B]

Kind of love it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, I love this. Yeah. This was really fun.

[A]

I would love to have you back anytime. His new album, do that again, is out June 5th. It's out now.

[B]

It's out now.

[A]

Oh, it's out now.

[B]

Or would do I look somewhere? Bye.