Session 128: Madison Beer

Summary

Therapuss with Jake Shane

Session 128: Madison Beer
Original Air Date: June 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this engaging and deeply personal episode, Jake Shane sits down with pop phenomenon Madison Beer for an open “therapy session” styled conversation. From the pressures of touring and navigating internet fame to battles with OCD and the highs and lows of personal growth, Madison and the hosts dive into mental health, music, viral moments, relationships, pop culture, and more. The episode is a mix of self-reflection, humor, and heartfelt candor, making it not just entertaining but also genuinely relatable for anyone struggling with modern pressures.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Madison Beer’s Locket Tour: Nerves and Excitement

[10:16–16:39]

• Madison shares her excitement and anxiety about the new tour, highlighting how this is her most ambitious production yet, featuring elaborate set design, props, automation, and a catwalk.
• She’s embracing dancing for the first time:
  • “I have a catwalk for the first time. There’s so many things that I’ve never done that are happening for the first time on this tour.” (Madison, 10:35)
• Past tours were harder due to grueling schedules and less supportive company; she’s now focused on protecting her mental health.
• On removing meet and greets this tour to protect her sanity:
  • “I felt bad. It got to the point where I was just like, I don’t feel like this is fair… So this tour, I’m not doing any meet and greets.” (Madison, 12:37)
• Instead, she’s doing Q&A sound check parties—opting for a more intimate fan interaction.
  • “I love a Q&A Sound Check party. I feel like it’s so much more intimate.” (Madison, 13:12)

2. OCD, Mental Health, and Oversharing

[19:29–24:41]

• The group candidly swaps personal stories of OCD:
  • Madison: “I have really bad OCD too.” (20:10)
  • Brett and Madison discuss “need-to-know” and “magical thinking” compulsions—rituals done out of anxiety/fear for loved ones’ safety.
  • “I feel like mine is very need-to-know type... I’ve always labeled that as curiosity but then I actually recently spoke to a psychiatrist who was like, no, you have, like, severe OCD.” (Madison, 20:15)
• Madison talks about the anxiety spikes triggered by posting on social media, recounting how she once spent six hours composing an Instagram post:
  • “I legitimately didn’t leave my room till 4:30 pm. I was sitting there and I was like, this is disturbed.” (Madison, 22:41)
• She connects her need for control to both social media performance and underlying childhood anxiety, describing a long-term process of healing and self-acceptance.

3. The Double-Edged Sword of Virality

[24:45–28:32]

• Madison speaks frankly about going viral in her teens and how initial online hate made her deeply self-conscious and question her personality.
  • “I look back and I can be proud of that younger version because I’m like, you know what? You stood on business.” (Madison, 25:24)
• Discusses enduring bullying during the “MagCon era,” hate pages, and her mother’s active attempts to protect and advocate for her.
  • “My mom used to find...if someone had a hate page...and try to find their Facebook and then, like, reach out to their parents… your child is bullying.” (Madison, 29:15)
• Madison reflects on the impact of internet drama on her sense of self and the healing process:
  • “I really don’t believe in carrying animosity… I released all of that. I try really hard to like, let go.” (Madison, 30:22)

4. Finding Peace and Happiness

[31:17–32:15]

• Madison expresses her newfound contentment and pride in her growth:
  • “I have come into myself in a way that I’m really proud of.” (Madison, 31:19)
• Cheers to healing and letting go of past negativity, emphasizing gratitude and empathy.

5. Creative Process & Tour Insights

[32:15–33:49]

• Madison’s favorite songs to perform include “Envy the Leaves” (her “deep cut”) and crowd-favorite “Boy.”
• Details innovative stage visuals, including coming out of a spinning music box and sitting in a giant heart for “Angel Wings.”
  • “There's a part where I come out of it, like, spinning for reckless. And then ... I sit in the heart for angel wings.” (Madison, 31:44)
• Discussion about setlist structuring and intention behind closing the show on “Bittersweet” for a confetti celebration feel.

6. Therapy, Mental Health Modalities, and Healing Rituals

[49:41–55:47]

• Madison and Brett discuss the value and challenges of different therapy methods, including struggles with traditional talk therapy and activities-based approaches for OCD.
• Madison shares her transformative experience with ketamine therapy:
  • "I was not in the room… I had no ability of knowing that I was in a body or that I was myself. You don't really have thoughts... it's everywhereness." (Madison, 53:42 onwards)
• Describes how it helped shift her perspective on death anxiety and embodied healing.

7. Light-hearted “Tell Me What's Wrong” Q&A

[56:00–73:57]

• Madison and Brett address quirky and sometimes serious fan-submitted dilemmas, from relationship worries to confessions about accidental neglect (letting a friend’s wheelchair roll away!) and social anxiety.
  • Advice on not losing oneself in relationships:
    • “Your relationship should be a huge part of your life, but you should also have things outside.” (Madison, 56:53)
  • Madison’s empathy toward those overly comfortable in routines or supported situations: “You need to be okay to be alone.” (Madison, 57:07)
• Amusing yet relatable tangents on favorite snacks (soft serve > hard ice cream), being “big sensory people,” and pop culture obsessions.
  • “Soft serve -- always. The fact that that’s debatable…” (Brett, 64:37)

8. Relationships, Privacy, and Growing Up

[65:51–68:58]

• Madison discusses her relationship with her boyfriend, emphasizing the importance of keeping early dating private, and the eventual experience of going public unexpectedly due to paparazzi.
• On what makes this relationship special:
  • “I can be—literally, the world can be ending around me and I wouldn’t know…he just came into my life at like, the perfect time.” (Madison, 65:40)

9. Childhood, Missing Out & Social Growth

[47:51–49:41]

• Madison voices her “missed out” feelings about high school and college experiences, acknowledging how pursuing a career from a young age left her at times feeling socially awkward or stunted.
  • “I do also sometimes feel socially a little stunted because I didn’t go to high school or college.” (Madison, 48:07)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Tour Evolution:
  “My last tour was really just a staircase and that’s it. And then my tour before that was like a tree on stage… I’ve never had a real true, like, set build.” (Madison, 10:35)

• On Mental Health Needs:
  “I need to do, like, actual activities... Or else it doesn't work.” (Brett, 19:44)

• Viral Moments:
  “At the time, no one said [I was mature]. People were like, she wanted to talk in private because she was embarrassed. No, no, no. Talk in private because I could—I looked around, I said, this is giving bullying, and I don’t like this.” (Madison, 25:41)

• Empathy & Growth:
  “There’s so much I can sit here and be like, this person did me wrong… I released all of that.” (Madison, 30:22)

• Lightness:
  “Shortbread cookies—they have this way of like—you bite into them and they almost get, like, soft between…” (Madison, 61:46)

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Pop Culture & Side Conversations

• Passionate discussion about the best frozen yogurt and why soft serve is superior.
• Madison attempts to convince the others to start Vanderpump Rules.
• Light banter about astrology—Pisces, Scorpio, and Virgo stereotypes.
• Brief discussions on modern therapy trends, “magical thinking,” and the therapy-averse impulse to skip sessions.

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Timestamped Highlights

• 10:35: Madison’s Locket tour anxiety/excitement
• 13:12: Q&A fan interaction over meet and greets
• 20:15: Madison reveals her OCD type
• 22:41: Six-hour Instagram post anxiety spiral
• 25:24: Looking back on viral moments with pride
• 30:22: Letting go of animosity and healing from past hate
• 31:19: “I have come into myself in a way that I’m really proud of.”
• 53:42: Madison’s ketamine therapy revelation
• 56:00–65:49: Tell Me What’s Wrong segment (fan problems/advice)
• 65:40: Finding security and peace in her relationship

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Conclusion

The session closes with an authentic sense of both camaraderie and self-acceptance. Madison and the hosts reflect on their shared anxieties and lifelong work towards healing, demonstrating vulnerability and genuine growth. The episode is imbued with Madison’s humor, warmth, and candor—a must-listen (or read!) for fans old and new.

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For all those navigating pressures, feeling “crazy,” or fighting internet noise—you're not alone. There’s laughter, empathy, and even wisdom waiting in this Therapuss episode.

Transcript

[Jake]

So good, so good, so good.

[Madison Beer]

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[Brett]

Hi, welcome back to Therapist. We have Brett here for the intro.

[Madison Beer]

Hi.

[Jake]

Hi.

[Brett]

My hand hurts. Look, watch.

[Jake]

It's like, definitely not good. See?

[Brett]

Okay, so the tendon just went over the muscle. Wait, watch. Ready?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Then watch it snap back into place.

[Jake]

Ow.

[Brett]

Yeah, it's bad. So if anyone at home knows what the to do, please help me. I'm in so much pain every day of my life. Every morning I wake up in pain. Every night I go to bed in pain. I'm constantly in pain.

[Jake]

You're gonna have to go to physical therapy or something for that.

[Brett]

I think I. I think I might have to get the surgery.

[Jake]

Oh, no way.

[Brett]

Yeah, the tendonitis surgery.

[Jake]

No way.

[Brett]

They just. They quickly. They just. It's right here. It's like this tendon right here.

[Jake]

What's the recovery like?

[Brett]

I don't have time for it, so I don't know.

[Jake]

Yeah, you're not having time for that.

[Brett]

When do you leave again?

[Jake]

For Europe? Yeah, next week.

[Brett]

Brad also just found a place.

[Jake]

Tell them Jake's rolling his eyes.

[Brett]

I'm not rolling my eyes because I'm mad. I'm just. No, I'm just upset.

[Jake]

I'm in the same boat.

[Brett]

Listen, but I know it has to happen. Like, obviously, like, life happens.

[Jake]

I am so sad and to move out. Like, I'm so sad about it, but at the same time, it's time.

[Brett]

It's time for you and your relationship.

[Jake]

And we talked about this going into this year.

[Brett]

Yeah. No one is shocked.

[Jake]

No one's shocked. Like, I'm not springing this on Jake. Like, I'm not gonna be far.

[Brett]

No. Seven minutes.

[Jake]

I will be here literally all the time.

[Brett]

All the time.

[Jake]

If you're in town, I'll be here.

[Brett]

Right.

[Jake]

Which is when I see you anyway.

[Brett]

Exactly. And I'm never in town.

[Jake]

You're. You haven't gone more than you've been here in the last, like, five months, I think.

[Brett]

Do you have sick? I sound. Yeah, I'm sick. I think I need.

[Jake]

I think you need to go to bed.

[Brett]

I think I need to go. I think I'm sick.

[Madison Beer]

And you know me.

[Jake]

If, like, if, like, if I'm like, if I'm feeling sick, I need.

[Brett]

Like, I feel sick. Yeah, I feel sick.

[Jake]

I mean.

[Brett]

And so, like, my eyes are, like, literally collapsing onto themselves.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah.

[Brett]

But it's like, I'm out of shows to watch. But it's like, have you seen Succession? I'm like, the first two seasons, and

[Jake]

I'm watching it right now for the first time. It's so good. It's. It's so good. Greg and Tom are really just like.

[Brett]

Well, you know, people call me cousin Greg.

[Jake]

And how funny that you actually know him in real life.

[Brett]

I know. Nicholas Braun. Nicholas, I love you. We did Broadway together.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, I miss it.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Brett]

I miss that era of my life.

[Jake]

Well, you know, you're in another fun era right now. You've just been like, summer. Yeah.

[Brett]

I'm really, like, my body is really feeling it today. Like, I really, like, I got home and my body is like, you need

[Jake]

to just, like, take a chill pill.

[Brett]

Like, I don't even know what I want for dinner.

[Jake]

I know. Me either, honestly.

[Brett]

Will you just keep me posted on your ideas?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Well, what's this new grocery store?

[Jake]

Laurel Supply. It's the Erewhon dupe.

[Brett]

Okay. Have you been? What's the vibe?

[Jake]

I haven't been. I. I haven't been, but it literally is like. And I'm not just saying, like, happier grocer is like, erewhon, like, copy. No, it's like, this is an Erewhon dupe. Same plates.

[Brett]

But what are people saying about the food? I don't know.

[Jake]

I'm intrigued.

[Brett]

What is the type of food there?

[Jake]

It's like the buffalo cauliflower, Korean short. Like, they have all the same.

[Brett]

It's the same thing.

[Jake]

Sushi counter.

[Brett]

I. The sushi counter looks cool.

[Jake]

They have, like, the same smoothies. It's, like, very weird, honestly, but, like, smart.

[Brett]

Do people like it? Are people on Tik Tok liking it?

[Jake]

People like it. People think that it's more chic.

[Brett]

People think this, but, like, what's the quality of the food?

[Jake]

I. I don't know. I haven't been. I've passed it a few times, and it's right by Barney's Beanery in West Hollywood.

[Brett]

I've only been there once.

[Jake]

I've never been there.

[Brett]

People love it. People say on a Tuesday night, it really pops off.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Did you have fun watching the Knicks here?

[Jake]

So much fun. We watched the last. Well, where was I watching? Oh, I was in bed at the game that you were at. That was so crazy. Insane.

[Brett]

It was the crazy experience of My life, it's.

[Jake]

It's unreal that you were there.

[Brett]

You don't even need to understand how basketball worked to know that it was point for point.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Was it, though? No, it wasn't point for point. They were, like, catching up.

[Jake]

Yeah, they. They came back from, like, 29 points down or something.

[Brett]

It was crazy. I mean, I thought they were losing. I thought they. I thought it was me too.

[Jake]

I thought the game was over.

[Brett]

Have you seen Jordan Woods's lucky bag?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Brett]

I'm so obsessed. Yeah, I love it. And, you know, it's her own brand, too.

[Jake]

I. I didn't know that.

[Brett]

Yeah, it's her own brand and it's her lucky bag. Like, it's sick at her and her fiance. Carl.

[Jake]

Yeah, Carl Anthony Townsend.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Well, I'm obsessed with, like. Because there's so much other, like, lore of, like, the team and, like, Jay. So Jalen Brunson went to a high school right near me.

[Brett]

Okay, so what's his draft story? Because apparently it's, like, emotional.

[Jake]

He was drafted in the second round, so he wasn't even, like, a first round draft pick. I think you're correct.

[Brett]

Yeah, you're correct.

[Jake]

And then I don't know anything, but

[Brett]

there's something about his draft story that makes it so.

[Madison Beer]

This is like, maybe he was supposed

[Jake]

to go in the first round and didn't because he had won, like, a national championship at Villanova, maybe two.

[Brett]

He went to Villanova?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Brett]

They have a good basketball team.

[Jake]

So good. Like, when they're in their, like, era, they're. Yeah, they. They were really good when he was there. And then, like, his dad is like an assistant coach. I didn't know that. Like, I'm just obsessed with it all.

[Brett]

Well, do you know that one of the coaches on the Knicks is like, the dad of one of the players?

[Jake]

Jalen's dad.

[Brett]

Oh, yes, I do know. Jalen's dad then won a championship. The last time the Knicks won was with his dad.

[Jake]

No, they made it to the championships when his dad was on the team and didn't win, so he won for his dad.

[Brett]

I'm sick.

[Jake]

Which, like, gag.

[Brett]

I'm sick.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Are you excited for the Olympics?

[Jake]

You mean FIFA?

[Brett]

No, the Olympics in two years. Huh. Are you excited?

[Jake]

I mean. Yeah.

[Brett]

Are you excited for the World Cup? That's happening now.

[Jake]

Yeah, I went to the opening match.

[Brett]

Oh, yeah, you went. How was that?

[Jake]

It was actually so fun.

[Brett]

Look, my thing with soccer is I. It's very slow for me. And there's, like, two goals throughout the entire game.

[Jake]

See? So, like, I kind of love it because there's no stoppage.

[Brett]

What do you mean there's no stop?

[Jake]

Like, like, they very rarely stop the game, so I feel like there's just always something not necessarily going on. Because, like, yes, I agree with you that the goals are low, but, like, you know, with, like, hockey, there's, like, a whistle, like, every, like, two minutes. Like, soccer is not like that. Like, most they stop. A half is, like, five to, like, seven minutes. Like, over the course of 45 minutes.

[Brett]

Got it. I'm really freaking out about my hand.

[Jake]

I'm freaking out for.

[Brett]

If anyone has any remedies for De Quervin's tendonitis, which is what I have, please help me. I'm supposed to work out tomorrow. I don't know how I'm gonna work out.

[Jake]

Can you just. Does it hurt to, like, grab things?

[Brett]

No, everything hurts, and my body's, like, creaking.

[Jake]

Yeah, you just need a. A lot of sleep.

[Brett]

Well, what else? You're moving out of July.

[Jake]

I'm moving in the end of July, which is just. I'm excited about it, but I'm also, like, overwhelmed about all the things. But, no, I'm excited. It's just, like, there's so many things I need to buy. I keep, like, looking for furniture, and I'm like, oh, my God, this is perfect. And then it's, like, gonna be delivered in October, and, like, I can't.

[Brett]

Well, that's the furniture market.

[Jake]

I know. And I can't do it. Yeah, I'm miserable about it. Like, the couch I'm getting. The couch we're getting. I guess it's technically we, which is crazy. Is gonna take, like, two months, probably.

[Brett]

So you need a new couch then? A different couch?

[Jake]

No, but, like, I'm really obsessed with this couch.

[Brett]

What couch is that?

[Jake]

It's from Lulu in Georgia, and it's, like, really cute.

[Brett]

Got it.

[Jake]

And green.

[Brett]

Oh, comfy. Have you tried. Have you tried it on? No.

[Jake]

Because they don't have a showroom here, so I'm really going in blind. But I've heard really good things. Like, my friend has a couch from them and says it's really good.

[Madison Beer]

So.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Jake]

So. Yeah, so it's just, like. There's just a lot. I also just have to, like, show you the place.

[Brett]

I know I haven't seen the place. All of a sudden.

[Jake]

I. I called Jake, like, literally before we even signed. Yeah, you sent me the most passive emoji.

[Brett]

What emoji?

[Jake]

It's like, this Soft smile.

[Brett]

Oh, that's not passive. That's just like you.

[Jake]

You were, like, wanting to die. So then I called you and I said, listen, you're the first person I'm telling. You'd be pissed off if I didn't tell you.

[Brett]

I'm not. I wasn't mad. I was just like. Okay, you were.

[Jake]

You said, I didn't need this today.

[Brett]

No, I'm. We could be on top of you. Brett's was technically up in June, and I was trying to string her along

[Jake]

until September, so I'm excited, but it's like. It's crazy.

[Brett]

Well, tonight we have on Madison beer. Do you have a favorite Madison Beer song?

[Jake]

Dear society. Oh, didn't Peyton love boy?

[Brett]

Yeah, Peyton loves boy.

[Jake]

Hurts like hell.

[Brett]

Hurts like hell.

[Jake]

Hurts like hell.

[Brett]

Hurts like hell.

[Jake]

Love.

[Brett]

That was our college one.

[Jake]

Good and goodbye.

[Brett]

Oh, yeah. Good and goodbye.

[Jake]

Oh, my God, she has so many good songs.

[Brett]

Bangers.

[Jake]

Love.

[Brett]

Okay, well, I love you. And we're going to do a full thank you. Even if it's just for a week. We're going to do a full goodbye episode before everything. Before Brett moves.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Brett]

I love you.

[Jake]

Love you. Love you, pussies.

[Brett]

Tonight we have on Madison beer who just began her locket tour worldwide. It is amazing. If you have a chance to see it, please go see it. She is incredible. Enjoy the episode. I love you, pussies. Are you ready?

[Madison Beer]

I'm ready.

[Brett]

Well, we have Madison beer on tonight.

[Jake]

Yay.

[Brett]

I'm so excited that we're finally doing this.

[Madison Beer]

I know. It's been like, every time I see you, I'm like, let me in. Put me in.

[Brett]

No, we're always like, we need to. Because you have a very busy schedule.

[Madison Beer]

As do you.

[Brett]

No, not as busy as you.

[Madison Beer]

Oh, stop it. We made it work, though.

[Brett]

We did make it work. Are you excited for tomorrow?

[Madison Beer]

I was like, I'm not going on tour until I see Jake Shane.

[Brett]

Well, it's not we. And you're about to leave for tour.

[Jake]

I know.

[Brett]

Are you excited or nervous or hopefully.

[Madison Beer]

When is this coming out? After it had already started.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Okay. So future me. I hope you're having fun. I hope everything's going well. But as of right now, in this moment, I'm definitely in, like, I don't want to say panic mode, but this is, like, my biggest show. Like, I have, you know, like, a big. Well, I guess I could talk about it.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Be happening. I have, like, a big set design. Like, I have props and, you know, things that are on automation that are spinning and moving. And there's just a lot of things going on this time. Like, my last tour was really just a staircase, and that's it. And then my tour before that was like a tree on stage. Like, I've never had a real true, like, set build. So, like, the set build, there's so much more lighting. I have a catwalk for the first time. I'm like, there's so many things that I've never done that are happening for the first time on this tour. And so I think I'm just feeling nervous. Of course, I'm also kind of dancing, which I'm not a dancer. Wish I was. I feel like you are a dancer. I'm gonna try to give my. I do. And I think I'm gonna, like, try my best, but. Yeah. Are you scared?

[Brett]

Do you have fun on tour?

[Madison Beer]

I.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Madison Beer]

I feel like I've figured out how to have fun on tour. I think that I used to be. My second tour was really miserable and horrible. Like, the shows were amazing. So anyone that went, like, love you down. The actual tour was really brutal. It was really long. I did mainly three shows in a row and then would have one day off, which I just learned very quickly is not sustainable for me. And I think I was also just surrounded by people that didn't really make it fun, honestly. And so it just. I don't know, it just wasn't a good time, sadly. And so that kind of made me be like, do I even want to ever do this again? Which then I thought was really sad.

[Brett]

What album were you touring for that tour?

[Madison Beer]

Dude, I'm so messed up. I think that was. I'm pretty sure that was life support. But I loved my dancers. There was. Okay, there was people I loved on the tour, but it was just like, the scheduling of it, I think was the worst part was it was just way too much and, like, way too time consuming and whatever. And then my spin and tour, which was the last one, was better because I feel like I was really around. Like, I like, everyone on my crew and everyone, like, everyone was just so great. And I kind of put my foot down and was like, if I'm doing another tour, it needs to be not three. No threes in a row. If there has to be, like, one, it's fine, but I need to just, like, prioritize my sanity.

[Brett]

You also can't give a good show if you're not feeling good.

[Madison Beer]

No, I, like, cut down on the meet and greets. I was doing 150, which also just is unfair. To the fans, too, because you want

[Brett]

to give every single person that.

[Madison Beer]

And then I'm up there for six hours and I'm like, we. It's showtime. You know, Like, I can't. It wasn't possible. And then we did 30 on this last tour, which I thought was going to be a lot easier. And it still was a lot because I'm then still spending, like, five, ten minutes sometimes with people. And, like, it just. It just was too much. And I felt bad. It got to the point where I was just like, I don't feel like this is fair. Like, I feel like it's. I'm. You're paying me to, like, take a selfie when I could just meet you outside and, like, do the same thing. It just felt weird. So this tour, I'm not doing any meet and greets, which they were upset about, but I think it will help the flow of, like, my day a lot more. And I'm doing a Q A on

[Brett]

stage, doing Sound check.

[Madison Beer]

I love, like. I love a Q A Sound Check party. I feel like it's so much more intimate.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

And I can actually. I can actually sit there for two hours and just, like, talk to everybody.

[Brett]

It's also, like, way less pressure. I feel like I'm more comfortable because you're, like, sitting there and it's almost like hanging out with a group of friends.

[Madison Beer]

I think the Q A thing I love because it's just like, I have them usually submit questions before, and I'll just read off, like, every question, and it's just fun. And like you said, it does feel like you're friends. And, like, I'm assuming, obviously, most of the people that go and see me at a Q A, like, know me really well. So it literally feels like we're having a big hangout.

[Brett]

What do you.

[Madison Beer]

The best.

[Brett]

What do you call your fan base?

[Madison Beer]

No name.

[Jake]

No name.

[Brett]

Didn't they try to call themselves the Alcoholics?

[Madison Beer]

Please. I was like, you guys. You guys are 16. You can't say this. No, but there was so many names. I think I named them the Imagineers when I was, like, 13 with an mad in the middle. So it was like, I. Please. And that was crazy. They still sometimes will do it. They call themselves Beer Babes. I've seen, like, yeah, like, Alcoholics, Beer Holics. I'm just like, can we just not have a name?

[Brett]

Right?

[Madison Beer]

I think that era has passed us all.

[Brett]

Would you. Are you doing any old music on tour?

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, yeah. I'm doing some songs from Life Support. I'M doing all of Lock It. I'm doing some from silence between songs. And then I have a fan song every night, which is the first time I'm doing, like, letting them pick one.

[Brett]

How do they pick?

[Madison Beer]

Okay, again, let's see what actually ends up happening. Because it's still being worked out, and I feel like it's kind of right now, the. The concept is there, but it's not executing the way that it needs to be. Like, every time we rehearse it, it feels really awkward. So my whole thing was like, I feel like a lot of shows that you see, especially when there's, like, fan interaction, it's always the people in the front, which no hate at all. Like, those people obviously are, like, paying them whatever. But I just feel like I love when it's someone that is like, I never thought I'd be chosen. And it could be someone literally in the back of the arena or the hot whatever, but it'll change. Like, I think I'm planning on doing yes. Some nights might be the kid in the front row. Some nights might be somebody in the nosebleeds, who knows? But I just feel like that inclusivity feels really cool to me. So then I was like, we have to think of something creative. So then that led me to this idea. Don't know where this came from, but it was kind of like someone. One of my dancers are going to come on stage and give me this, like, locket box that I'm going to open, and it's going to have three. We have, like, I think we have about 15 songs prepped, but each night is going to be a choice of three. So three different songs every night. And which I also was thinking about. Sorry, you're going to notice very quickly. I'm like, no, me too.

[Brett]

I'm the same way.

[Madison Beer]

Like, I wish I could figure out a way to let them choose which three of the 15 they want that night. But then I feel like it's always going to be the same three, so I, like, have to just do it by myself. Or maybe I'll, like, soundcheck choose. I don't know, something. So basically, it'll be three letters in the locket box. That'll be like, envelopes, and they're going to say a lyric on the front of it. So it might say, like, you know, in these sour times. And then I'll be like, oh, this one says that. And hopefully they'll all scream. I'm hoping they, like, know the songs. I'm nervous. They're Going to be like, wait, what? And then I'm going to be like, grew up in the same house. Which is a lyric for my song, Ryder. Like, whatever. Read the lyrics that are on the front. And then I'm gonna tell my dancer, like, okay, you can go send these out now. And then the second she leaves stage, like, a spotlight will go on to someone who will. Obviously, there'll be a second box, and someone will have delivered the letters to this person with the same box, and they will then have the three options in front of them. And I want that person to just pick whichever letter they want, open the envelope, and inside the envelope, it'll say the name, and they can, like, hold it up to the camera, and then we sing it.

[Brett]

So that's fun.

[Madison Beer]

That's the idea right now. But it just feels a little clunky. So I'm trying.

[Brett]

But you'll, like, figure it out. Like, the first show will. You'll be, like, stressed, and then it'll be like, it'll.

[Madison Beer]

I'm gonna be so stressed the first show. Always, like, panicking, losing my mind. I'm gonna dissociate completely.

[Brett]

Do you, like, take a beta blocker or anything?

[Madison Beer]

No, I've actually never taken a beta block.

[Brett]

They don't work for me.

[Madison Beer]

I don't think anything would work for me. I'm like, I need to be sedated. Actually, no, they don't.

[Brett]

Beta blockers, like, don't work for me. I took.

[Madison Beer]

I saw that Rachel Senate video, like, when that first dropped, and I was like, oh, my God, I need this. And then I was like, I don't think this would work. What does it do?

[Brett]

It's supposed to slow the physical symptoms of anxiety.

[Madison Beer]

Please.

[Brett]

And I kept saying, I think I'm slurring my words. But I wasn't, because it doesn't work.

[Jake]

Whoa.

[Brett]

It really doesn't work for me, to be honest.

[Madison Beer]

I don't get, like, nervous anxiety. I get more, I think, because I'm. My hands are in every department. Like, I'm sitting and programming the lighting. I'm editing the tour content.

[Brett]

Right.

[Madison Beer]

The editors. Like, I. There's not one thing that I'm not a part of. So I think that it's not. It's. It's hard for me to get on stage and just be like, I have to sing good and, like, do my steps. I'm also like, is the LED wall on? Is the lighting working? Like, it's. It's. I don't know. It feels, like, very involved for me. So I Feel very strut. Am I Virgo? No, I'm a Pisces.

[Brett]

Oh, right, you are.

[Madison Beer]

What are you?

[Brett]

Scorpio?

[Madison Beer]

Okay. Water down.

[Brett]

Yeah, watered out. Pisces are my Pisces women are by favorite.

[Madison Beer]

We are the best.

[Brett]

You guys are the best. My best friend Alex, the Pisces woman. Hands down, the best. The best. The best.

[Madison Beer]

Thank you.

[Brett]

Pisces men, kind of.

[Madison Beer]

It's so funny, though, people. My boyfriend is a Pisces man.

[Brett]

So is he really.

[Madison Beer]

But. But I would have said the same thing about Pisces men before I dated him.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Madison Beer]

Would have said the same thing. Would have been like, no, because I had only met. Well, actually, that's not true. I know a couple Pisces men that are good, but I met one man once that was the scariest person I've ever met, and he was a Pisces man. And I literally was like, run from Pisces men because they can be tricky. They can be. But he's a really good one. And he's changed my mind, of course. But see, March or February, he's five days after me. He's March 10th. On March 5th.

[Brett]

Oh, that's so special. We can have joint birthday.

[Madison Beer]

Joint birthdays for life. I know, it's incredible. No, we did. We right now. We did have a little joint birthday energy last year, though. People always ask me if I'm a Virgo, though. That's weird that you asked that.

[Brett]

Are you. Is it in any of your chart?

[Madison Beer]

No, but Pisces and Virgo are, like, direct opposites. And so people.

[Brett]

Are they really?

[Madison Beer]

So they say. They're like, I don't know. Here's my thing about astrology. I'm totally a believer. Love it. I always am, like, finding myself. My bubble is a lot of the same signs, but I feel like there's good and bad in every sign, obviously.

[Brett]

Of course.

[Madison Beer]

And so, like, I think it's unfair sometimes. Like, to be honest with you. Like, I always say, Scorpio men are crazy.

[Brett]

They are. Well, we're insane.

[Madison Beer]

Crazy.

[Brett]

We're insane.

[Madison Beer]

But then I'm like, I meet some that. I'm like, no, you're great. It just. It's.

[Jake]

It's.

[Madison Beer]

To me, it's like, are you a healed one or are you not right? Are you trying to heal right? Are you trying to be better?

[Brett]

That's none of the above for me.

[Madison Beer]

Really?

[Brett]

Yeah, probably. No. Maybe I'm, like, a little healed.

[Madison Beer]

Are you in therapy?

[Brett]

Yeah, but I always skip.

[Madison Beer]

What do you mean? So you're not. He's like, it's on the calendar, but it doesn't.

[Brett]

I always skip. Like, I have two therapy sessions a week. I skip both of them every time.

[Jake]

What?

[Brett]

Because it's just. I. I'm. Talk therapy is really bad for me.

[Madison Beer]

Okay.

[Brett]

I need to do, like, actual activities.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Brett]

Or else it doesn't.

[Madison Beer]

Like, I completely understand that. I've done a lot of different types

[Brett]

reiterating the same shit over and over and over, and I'm spinning.

[Madison Beer]

I know for sure. Spinning out. And I'm like, dude, I feel like sometimes with me, I. I feel like sometimes I'll get on with my therapist, and I'm like, I actually know the answers to this. Like, I need advice.

[Brett]

That's why I'm like, I need to do activities.

[Madison Beer]

I know. Yeah.

[Brett]

For my OCD or something. Like, something to, like, actually work on.

[Madison Beer]

I have really bad ocd, too.

[Brett]

Do you really?

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, really bad.

[Brett]

What type?

[Madison Beer]

This is so random, but I feel like mine is very need to know type.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

You know what I mean?

[Brett]

No, that's the thing. Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I think that that's my main thing

[Brett]

is I think you need to know everything.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I feel like I'm. I've always labeled that as curiosity, but then I actually recently spoke to a psychiatrist who was like, no, you have, like, severe ocd.

[Brett]

That's not normal.

[Madison Beer]

And I was like, oh, okay. That makes me feel better at least, because I feel like for so long, I thought that I was just maybe, like, an over. I'm definitely an overthinker, but I think I thought I diagnosed it as like, oh, I'm just an overthinker who, like, has anxiety. And my therapist psychiatrist was like, no, you. This is like, a real thing.

[Brett]

I have that, too.

[Madison Beer]

I feel like it's really. Mine's really, like, I. I need to know everything. There's definitely more as well. Posting this sounds so stupid, but, like,

[Brett]

no, it's really not. It doesn't sound stupid to me.

[Madison Beer]

Spikes is, like, a huge trigger for my anxiety, my ocd. I, like, I. I feel like it's been getting progressively worse as the years have gone on. Like, it's really difficult for me to just, like, post on Instagram, which sounds pathetic, but it's true.

[Brett]

No, it's. I. I have a. I have a hard time commenting.

[Madison Beer]

It's like, does it not. You, like, sit there and you're like, I don't know what to say or do.

[Brett]

I think if I comment the wrong thing, I'll get bad luck.

[Jake]

Oh, my God.

[Brett]

So, like, I go crazy.

[Madison Beer]

Wait, were you the kind of kid that you were? Like, if I don't. If I don't spin in circles three times, my parents. My parents are gonna die. Because that's how I am. That's always how I've been my whole life. Never knew that was an OCD thing.

[Brett]

Magical thinking ocd. What? Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I've never heard of that. I literally used to do that growing up. I'd be like, oh, my God, I have to walk back three steps or my whole family is gonna die in a fire.

[Brett]

I would, like, count to two and like, my. It was like a whole thing.

[Madison Beer]

Oh, my God. Clearly I don't know that much about ocd.

[Brett]

This is a new being talked about a little more. I also discovered I have confessional ocd, which is like, I need to. Like, if I lie, I have to tell you I lied for sure.

[Jake]

I have that.

[Brett]

I have to tell you everything about myself. So, like, I. Someone can't, like, find out about me.

[Madison Beer]

Oh, my God. That is exactly how I am.

[Brett]

Like, well, this is who I am. Like, take it or leave it.

[Madison Beer]

No, I'm bearing my soul.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Oh, my God. I wonder. Is, like, oversharing a compulsion?

[Brett]

Yes. That's. Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I. One time there was a really. This is what made me actually want to seek out help because my. Someone that was on my crew, on my tour has, like, diagnosed OCD, has been diagnosed for like 10 years. And there was one day on tour, last tour where it was like, guys, let's meet in the lobby at noon. We're all going to go get lunch. And I was like, amazing. See you guys down there. Just posting on Instagram really quick. This is at 10:30, so like, plenty of time to get an Instagram post up and then get to lunch.

[Brett]

Yeah, an hour and a half.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Hi.

[Madison Beer]

And I legitimately didn't leave my room till 4:30pm I'm not joking. And I was sitting there and I was like, this is disturbed.

[Brett]

Like, what about it scares you so much. What? What is it?

[Madison Beer]

Oh, my God. I feel like it's weird because I think it's just something. I think I have control issues as well. Like, I definitely feel like I've felt out of control a lot. Like even in my childhood pre all of this, like, whatever. I think I've had a lot of issues with control. I think that's also where my death anxiety comes from. A whole different conversation. Anywho. But yeah, I think that for me, social media has been something throughout. Such a big portion of people don't realize that I've been on, like, social media since I'm 12.

[Brett]

But you, like, start your career started on social media.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah. Like, my first ever thing was on YouTube and then.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

On Twitter was how Justin tweeted about me and discovered me. So it's just been. It's been a really big constant in my life. And I think just the more time that goes on, I care less about it now in the sense of, like, I can step away. I can, like, not read hate. I think I'm at peace with who I am. And I'm like, if you don't like me, that's fine. But I don't know. I think, especially on tour, it probably has a lot to do with, like, I'm putting so much work and effort into this that I want everything to convey the right message. I also. That's, like, a really big thing of mine where I'm like, I hope that everything I do conveys the right message, which is not possible to do in an Instagram.

[Brett]

And also, I feel like it's more stressful on tour because you have to deal with whatever you read and then get on stage.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah.

[Brett]

And, like, still deliver the same show, even if, like, you read something that's, like, I didn't like it.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah.

[Brett]

You're like, wait, what?

[Madison Beer]

Like, I remember when, like, I was

[Brett]

like, I hated that show and I had to get on stage the next night and do it, and I was like, I. What am I supposed to do right now?

[Madison Beer]

No, it's horrible.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know the specifics, like, why I freak out so much. I think it's just, like, a con. It's a lack of control, lack of knowing how it's going to come across. Lack of pers. Like, ability to dictate the perception. It's just. All of it. I think it's too much for me.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I don't think I was cut out to, like, be in any type of.

[Brett]

But you were.

[Madison Beer]

I don't know.

[Brett]

So many iconic moments on the Internet, you know what?

[Madison Beer]

And I've accepted them now. Like, I think that for a long time I was really embarrassed by some of. Were you really, like, viral things? Well, because they were very much so hated on when they happened.

[Brett]

They were.

[Madison Beer]

But now it's like a meme. And it's funny. We love it. Like, who's your friend? I was supposed to be in the video. Like, there's. These are. These are historical moments.

[Brett]

Who's your friend? History.

[Madison Beer]

You know what?

[Brett]

Who's your friend?

[Madison Beer]

I look back and I'm like, I was 16 and I had balls on

[Brett]

me and a dream.

[Madison Beer]

I was like, balenciaga city bag, Converse lace to the top. I was like, I'm ready to go, you know?

[Brett]

Who is your friend?

[Madison Beer]

Who's your friend? What do you mean? And also, what do you mean your friend?

[Brett]

Yeah, who?

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, tell me the name. Crazy. So I look back and I can be proud of that younger version because I'm like, you know what? You stood on business.

[Brett]

I really did say that. Like, people, like, really are like, no, but she asked to talk in private too. Like, it's such emotional maturity. Like, at the time, people were not saying that.

[Madison Beer]

You know what? At the time, no one said that. You know what? Actually, I remember vividly. People were like, she wanted to talk in private because she was embarrassed. No, no, no. Talk in private because I could. I looked around, I said, this is giving bullying, and I don't like this. And so I said, we can talk in private. We don't have to talk in front of everybody.

[Brett]

Like, come on.

[Madison Beer]

I. Dude. But then you have to understand, this was also like, peak magcon hell for me, where, like, every single fan on earth wanted me dead. And so was that what happened? Yes, that was in the video. The girl literally says, oh, yeah, you hurt my friend.

[Jake]

Or like.

[Madison Beer]

And I remember I was like, who? What the hell? So, yeah, people don't realize that, like, that was a very intense time on the Internet. Did you ever see the video of these girls standing outside of. I'm pretty sure it was like a magcon show. And literally this girl films and she goes, scream. If you hate Madison Beer and 500 girls, just scream. It's lying. Sort of my life.

[Brett]

God, that's such an unpoliced era of, like, social media crazy.

[Madison Beer]

That's what I'm. That's what I'm saying is, like, people don't realize that. Then that went viral and people were like, not being on my side at all when I was genuinely just trying to confront someone who was being, like, really mean to me on the Internet. And the story is me and that girl ended up talking. I see her out and about now, LA to this day. She's a very nice girl. She's a very nice girl. And like, honestly, we have no, no issues at all. We squashed it that day, but no issue. But, yeah, in private. But even the. I was supposed to be in the video ever. All of my things on the Internet were not received well. When they happened right now we can all laugh. I'm laughing now.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

But then, oh, it was bad.

[Brett]

Do you like, what did it feel like?

[Madison Beer]

Well, it just felt embarrassing. And I was like, am I literally queen of cringe? Like, what is going on? And then it makes you also second guess everything you say. And yes, that was my issue. Is then I feel like it. It negatively affected my general life because I would say something like, with really pure intentions. Because even though I was supposed to be in the video thing was so pure intentioned. I was just talking to a group of people and thank you. Next had just come out and I was like, wait, guys. Like, I have tea.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I thought I was telling them tea and it was like, something cute. And I think that it. The hardest part of all of those types of things was having to be like, oh, wait, I can do something that I think is pure intentioned and fine. And then the Internet can be like, oh, my God, she's so cringy and annoying. And then it makes me, like, question my personality. And it made me just be like, am I cringy and annoying? And is that who I am? And so I think that sucked. And I was really young. I mean, I was 20 when the video thing happened, and then I was, like, 16 when the other thing happened.

[Brett]

So I feel like it's also like you're then talking and you're like. And you say something and then you think about how, like, someone could be twisted or like, someone. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Madison Beer]

That's not how we should be living. To me, that's just not conducive to society. Like, I feel like we should. I don't know, we should operate with a lot more, like, grace with people. It's. It's a scary time.

[Brett]

Can you imagine if Tick Tock was around during the Mac on days, Please.

[Madison Beer]

Truthfully, wouldn't be sitting here right now. Like, I couldn't. It was too much. Even when it was just like, Twitter and Instagram.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

The amount of hate pages I had back then.

[Brett]

Hey, you got hate pages.

[Madison Beer]

You don't understand. I think there was more hate pages than there were fan pages. And I hate Madison beer. Xoxo. I hope Madison beer. It was, like, crazy. It was crazy. My mother used to literally. This is crazy. My mom used to find if someone had, like, a hate page or had left a hate comment. My mom was so against the bullying that she would find the person and try to find their Facebook and then, like, reach out to their parents and be like, your child. Is bully good for her? Yeah, no, my mom. Well, because she just would see how it affects me and like, some. And it was always an apology and it was always like, well, because.

[Brett]

Of course.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah. But I'm like, your kid told my kid to kill herself.

[Brett]

And my mom used to say that. Oh, yeah. The time.

[Madison Beer]

And it was like 12 year olds.

[Brett]

It was literally like, oh, kill yourself. What?

[Madison Beer]

Whoa. Yeah. My mom did not. Tracy, Beer does not mess around. She was like, I'm telling. She was like, I'm telling on you.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Literally. That's what she said to all these kids.

[Brett]

Apologies ever. You got apologies. You said.

[Madison Beer]

I think sometimes people have. Honestly, it's been. It's been really weird in the last couple years. People have actually come up to me and been like, I just want to say like, I'm so sorry. I definitely, like, bul. When we were kids.

[Brett]

And I'm like, oh, it's like you grew up together.

[Madison Beer]

I know. It is. It really is.

[Brett]

It was like school.

[Madison Beer]

It really was. Well, because I also got pulled out of school in seventh grade, so this was my, like, middle high school experience. Was the Internet pulled out in seventh grade? I got signed when I was 12.

[Brett]

That's crazy.

[Madison Beer]

Sometimes I'll meet people, like, in my meet and greets, and they're like, I'm 12. And I'm like, it's past your bedtime. And they're like, oh, my God, I was signed.

[Brett]

You were. You were a working girl.

[Madison Beer]

What the hell?

[Brett]

I feel like you're very healed from that era.

[Madison Beer]

Thank you. I try.

[Brett]

I feel like you are.

[Madison Beer]

I think that, like, I really don't believe in carrying animosity or, like, being someone that just like seeds all the time. Like, I really think it's not good for you. And I think I'm someone who harps on things. I spin out. I'm like, it's not good for me. And I think I. There's. Yeah, there's so much. I can sit here and be like, this person did me wrong and this was fucked up. And even all those kids who hated on me, I'm like, I released all of that. I try really hard to, like, let go. And yeah, I just try not to hold on to things that don't really serve me. And I think I have a lot of empathy for other people too. Maybe sometimes when it's not deserved. But I'm like, well, you probably were hurting if you were commenting on my posts, these things or whatever. But yeah, I do think that I'm. I've healed A good amount. As much as I can be. I try to be, like, thankful for where I'm at. And when I do have my moments of, like, whatever it might be, I try to just be like, this is really good given what my situation could be if I hadn't done all this work, you know? So. Yeah.

[Brett]

So you're like, happy?

[Madison Beer]

I am happy. I really am. Like, I think that. I think that I have come into myself in a way that I'm really proud of. Like. Yeah.

[Brett]

Cheers to that.

[Madison Beer]

Right.

[Brett]

Eyes.

[Madison Beer]

Cheers.

[Brett]

Cheers.

[Madison Beer]

I'm like, trying not to whack the microphone out of your hand.

[Brett]

Well, congratulations.

[Madison Beer]

Thanks.

[Brett]

And the new album is phenomenal.

[Jake]

Thank you.

[Brett]

In the shower. It's amazing. Wait, my favorite Angel Wings. Fire Banger.

[Jake]

Thank you.

[Brett]

Are you doing it on tour?

[Madison Beer]

Yes, I'm doing the whole album on tour. Angel Wings is cute too, because it has, like a really sickening visual that plays before it. And then. So, okay, I have this, like, it's. To me, it's like a wind up, like, music box. So there's a part where I come out of it, like, spinning for reckless. And then there's also a part where it turns like this and it has a heart cut out in the front of it. So I sit in the heart for angel wings and it like spins me out and I'm like, cutesy in the heart.

[Brett]

That's fun.

[Madison Beer]

So, yeah, it's really cute. But I love Angel Wings. I'm glad you like that one. Yeah.

[Brett]

Fire. Do you have a favorite song to perform?

[Madison Beer]

My favorite song to sing is my song Envy the Leaves, which I doubt you've ever heard. It's a very deep cut off of sounds. I'm like, which album is it on? Silence between songs. And I just love it so much. Like, I don't. Do you sing? No, not at all.

[Brett]

Like, I. I could give a note.

[Madison Beer]

Okay. But like, I, you know, I'm like,

[Brett]

I could give you a note.

[Madison Beer]

I feel like I. I'm sure a lot of people who sing also can, like, relate to this, where some songs just, like, take you completely out of your body and you just sing and you almost like, you black out and you don't even know that you just sang a song. That's what that song does for me. And I feel like every time I sing it, I just. Especially on tour, I'll sing the whole thing and then I'm like, oh, the song's over. I didn't. Did I even just say a lyric? I don't know. Yeah. So I think that's my favorite. It's just beautiful.

[Brett]

Which song has, like the loudest crowd sing back.

[Madison Beer]

Oh, maybe boy, which is an old song, but they love boy. They love boy. Envy the leaves. Honestly, they love too. Because I think it's become like a fan cult classic vibe. I'm trying to think of what else gets always a big reaction. Reckless, I think is it's probably. I think it's my biggest song. I'm hoping that make you mine gets a big reaction. It will hear that.

[Brett]

Yeah. Make you mine will maybe bittersweet too. Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Bittersweet is ending the show, so.

[Brett]

Oh, really? Yeah. And what's starting it?

[Madison Beer]

Yes, baby.

[Brett]

Fire.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah. So coming out sexy mama. And then ending on like a cute, sweet note. Originally, make you mind was ending the show and it just didn't feel bittersweet. Makes sense to end bittersweet. Feels like confetti in a song and I have confetti in it. So I'm just like, it needs to be something I can spin and, like, have a good time.

[Brett]

Right.

[Madison Beer]

You know, I'm so excited.

[Brett]

I'm excited to see the show.

[Madison Beer]

Come to L. A. I want to

[Brett]

come to msg, please. That's what I want.

[Madison Beer]

That's the show to come to.

[Brett]

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[Madison Beer]

Today? Today's a good day, but. Okay, let me try to channel.

[Brett]

So far, good. I woke up bad, though.

[Madison Beer]

What? Okay, so can you.

[Brett]

I had a dream that I broke every bone in my body.

[Madison Beer]

I have the worst dreams every night.

[Brett]

And so. And I woke up and my whole body was so stiff and like, you

[Madison Beer]

were like, do you ever have that thing where you're like, am I broken?

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Was that real?

[Brett]

Yes. I woke up in my back hurt and everything hurt because my dream, dude, I broke in. I was at. I was with. I forget. The dream was weird, but I remember walking around with broken bones and then going to the Apple store and, like, not being. It was so weird.

[Madison Beer]

What is. What are dreams? Is the question.

[Brett]

Right?

[Madison Beer]

What's going on?

[Brett]

I think you're tapped into that.

[Madison Beer]

I am so confused. I feel like every time I go to bed, I'm like, well, we'll see what happens tonight. It's always something traumatic. It's always something horrible. I think I was like, skinning someone last night in my dream.

[Brett]

Yep. Legitimately, you know, it's because the full moon is it. It's. The full moon's in Scorpio.

[Madison Beer]

Okay.

[Brett]

And so it's. That makes sense. You're skinning someone because it's like. No, because you're, like, releasing. It's about. It's about unearthed stuff that you haven't gotten out.

[Madison Beer]

No, I think I just watched that, like, Ed Gein documentary, and I think it just stuck with me. Yeah. So I think that might have maybe stuck with me a little too hard. I'm good usually with, like, scary stuff that I told everyone. I would literally, when it first came out, this was a couple months ago, I would literally go up to you and be like, if you're considering watching it, don't.

[Brett]

Which documentary is it? I want to watch it now.

[Madison Beer]

No, don't. Like, actually, I'm being so for real. Like, I don't get easily traumatized and scared of things. Well, I get easily traumatized, I guess, but I don't get, like, freaked out by true crime stuff. This is like Ryan Murphy. If you're watching this, I'm scared.

[Brett]

Oh, was it the Ryan Murphy one?

[Madison Beer]

Yeah. Well, you know how there was, like, the Menendez brothers? This was disturbing on a level that we don't need to see this.

[Brett]

I couldn't watch the Jeffrey Dahmer one.

[Madison Beer]

See, I watched that one and it

[Brett]

didn't like, oh, I couldn't.

[Madison Beer]

No, the Ed Geen one is, like, way more. It's like, way more, like, graphic. I can't even. Like, talking about it makes me feel sick. But to piggyback off of your dream. My, my. I'm therapist about my dream the other day, I literally had a dream that. And this is probably just like, old, old stuff coming up because I. I had a dream. Tell me this has ever happened to you. I had a dream that my boyfriend was, like, being really mean to me. He's the would never in a million years. But, like, in the dream, he was, like, being so mean to me. And I woke. In the dream, I woke up and he was next to me. And I was like, hey, like, why did you. Why were you so mean to me? And he was just still being mean. I was still in the dream, and then I woke up in real life. You've never woken up in a dream?

[Brett]

No. Has. Yes.

[Madison Beer]

And it's the freakiest feeling in the world. I literally was like. When I woke up, actually, in real life, he was. I was like, did that just happen? And I literally for 10 minutes, didn't know if it happened or not. And then I was like, I've had

[Brett]

dreams where I don't know if it happened, but I've never.

[Madison Beer]

Well, I was like, it couldn't have happened because he would never treat me like that. But, like, this felt so real. Especially because I woke up in my bed, in my room. He was next to me, and I was like, why were you doing that to me? And he was just like, I don't know, like, whatever. And then when I woke up in real life, I was like, do I wake him? Like, I literally almost woke him. I was like, babe, like, I just. A really scary dream. So I think I'm just pissed about.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

My dreams, like, sometimes ruining my day.

[Brett]

Yeah. Ruining my day. I'll. But I'll fight with people about the dream.

[Madison Beer]

It's insane. It's insane how dreams, like, I'm just like, where do we go?

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

And I know there's like, the scientific side of it, but I'm like, no, I'm living another life.

[Brett]

I Google what the. I googled what it meant when I broke my believe that I do. I do. It meant because I would Woke up so stiff and I knew I'm so. There's some things that I'm like, so anxious about. And I know, like, I just. I knew what that dream was trying to tell me, and I just was like, not.

[Madison Beer]

What was the meaning? Like, what was.

[Brett]

It was just like, you are not secure with. You're overdoing it. You're over doing the.

[Madison Beer]

Just everything.

[Brett]

No, like, you're overdoing the. Like, you're working out, but you're not doing it, like, oh, yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Aren't you on, like a.

[Brett]

Yes, I'm on, like a health care.

[Madison Beer]

Wait, how's that going?

[Brett]

It's. It's good.

[Madison Beer]

Are you loving, like, the way you feel?

[Brett]

So. Yes. But I felt really sore yesterday.

[Madison Beer]

Well, of course.

[Brett]

And so I didn't realize I had so much weight to lose until I looked back at old photos and I was like, wait.

[Madison Beer]

I feel like I've never thought that once about us.

[Brett]

Well, okay, I'll text you photos now.

[Madison Beer]

I'm just invested.

[Brett]

No, like. But so basically that. That's what my dream was about was about, like, just like, dial it back a little. I think I'm just like, I'm overdoing it to the point where it's not healthy.

[Madison Beer]

Totally.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I think that can happen.

[Brett]

I'm working out to the point where it's like, at this point, I'M just moving.

[Madison Beer]

You're just, like, exhausting yourself, too. Yeah, I feel like I'm. I'm 27 now. How old are you?

[Brett]

26.

[Madison Beer]

Okay.

[Brett]

Oh, so you're in your Saturn return. Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Which is feeling good so far, Right?

[Brett]

I feel like you're having a pretty good one.

[Madison Beer]

Well, I'm like, I don't feel people, like, everything's gonna change. I feel like sometimes I read that it starts when you were 25. For some people it does. I think that mine, like, I think my whole world shifted when I was 26. Like, everything changed everywhere. In a good way. I mean, it definitely was. Like, so much was changing and shedding and, like, it felt like everything was literally, like, turning. But now I feel like it all was protecting me. And like, it was all good things, but definitely, like, intense.

[Brett]

I spoke to someone yesterday and they were like, it can start with something in your body. Maybe that's why I had that dream. Because I'm like, I'm. I'm like 26. I'm, like, having, like, so stomach. My bones are kind of starting to hurt, and so I'm like, oh, this is the start.

[Madison Beer]

Damn.

[Brett]

I know.

[Madison Beer]

See, what I was gonna say is I. I'm 27 now, and I thought that by now I'd be like, wanting to work out. I hate working out. I'm not one of those people.

[Brett]

Well, you look good.

[Madison Beer]

I appreciate that. But, like, I could. I could be better and I know what. I don't care. Well, I care.

[Brett]

Mental. It helps your mental.

[Madison Beer]

People say that to me.

[Brett]

It really does.

[Madison Beer]

Sitting in my bed helps my mental. I like to sit in my bed or my bathtub.

[Brett]

You like a bath.

[Madison Beer]

You hate a bath.

[Brett]

I hate a bath.

[Madison Beer]

You get hot, I get hot.

[Brett]

I'm like, get me the fudge out of here. Really?

[Madison Beer]

Fuck, yeah. No, I'm really.

[Brett]

I love a shower.

[Madison Beer]

Love a shower as well. Like, it's not like. It's not like the bath. It's different. You don't take a bath to, like. At least for me, I'm speaking on the. On, you know, for the bath community. But, like, I don't take a bath to get clean necessarily. Sometimes I'll even shower and then take a bath.

[Brett]

Right.

[Madison Beer]

The bath is really just a place for me to feel safe and secure and warm.

[Brett]

And I sit in the shower. That's my thing.

[Madison Beer]

I sit in the shower too.

[Brett]

I sit.

[Madison Beer]

I like. I'm aquatic.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Water signs.

[Brett]

What? Oh, is that okay?

[Madison Beer]

So is.

[Brett]

Or do we like water?

[Madison Beer]

I mean, I think so. Like, I love a body of water.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I probably loved the womb.

[Brett]

Yeah, probably.

[Madison Beer]

I like to just be in. Yeah. Warm, warm water.

[Brett]

Well, you'll be touring in Europe, so,

[Madison Beer]

like, tell me why. Like, I watched the Matrix, and he's in that, like, big, like, vat of goo, and I was like, oh, my God, that looks so nice. You know, I'm like, I'm into it. So. Yeah, I think. I think I'm a little bit weird about it. Like, on tour, all my hotel rooms have to have a bath.

[Brett]

Oh, really?

[Madison Beer]

Not negotiable.

[Brett]

Okay. You're like Meredith Marks.

[Madison Beer]

Okay.

[Brett]

Do you watch Housewives? No, she's.

[Madison Beer]

I said, okay. I don't know who that is.

[Brett]

She's infamous.

[Madison Beer]

Do you watch Vanderpump Rules?

[Brett]

No, I don't. That's her favorite show of all time.

[Madison Beer]

Okay. Do you want to sit in his seat really quickly so we can talk?

[Brett]

He's, like, obsessed with Stassi. Like, please.

[Madison Beer]

I can't. No.

[Brett]

Like, is it good?

[Madison Beer]

Stop. If you like Housewives, forget it. To me, it blows out of the water. There's no.

[Jake]

Really, like, you're gonna freak out.

[Brett]

Okay, but what is.

[Madison Beer]

So, I'm honestly, like, we need to do a part two to this.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Madison Beer]

After you watch Vanderpump Rules, I think

[Brett]

I might start it tonight on my. On my flight.

[Madison Beer]

The sickest show of all time.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

What's so good about it? I think there's really.

[Brett]

You're like, let me.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, no, I'll sell you on this. Like, there's no show that is also following this friend group from, like, they're, what, like, early 20s? They're, like, actually friends.

[Brett]

Right.

[Madison Beer]

Well, okay, so they all worked at SIR together. Sir or. Yeah, Sir Mike. Sir Pump. There's so many of them. They all worked at SIR they're all, like, bartenders and stuff and, like, wait staff, whatever. They all work at SIR and that's Lisa Vanderpump's restaurant.

[Brett]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Madison Beer]

So they just. It's like the show was originally just following the kids that worked at her restaurant because they're so drama, obviously. But then it, like, it totally exceeds the SIR storyline. Like, it becomes so much more about, like, their dynamics.

[Brett]

Right.

[Madison Beer]

So many new characters come in. It's unbelievable. I've seen every episode three times.

[Brett]

Oh, really?

[Madison Beer]

Oh, yeah.

[Brett]

The only thing I've watched from it is the season with Skin of All.

[Madison Beer]

Kind of all. Well, that's how I originally got into it, was I watched Scandival, and then I said, I need to know the Whole tea. Like, obviously it was crazy, even if you don't know anything. But I'm like, I need to know. I need to watch the dynamics. I need to see. Like, you can watch when Tom was cheating on Ariana with Raquel, like, in real time. Like, when were they. They don't, like, cheat on the show, but you can see them interact. And you. Once you know they were cheating, then you look back and you're like, oh, my God. It's, like, obvious, like, you guys are, like, flirting with each other. You're, like, looking at each other. There's one episode where Tom, like, grabs Raquel and is like. He says he, like, squeezes her hand right next to his girlfriend. I'm like, you're sick. Are you Jewish?

[Brett]

Yes.

[Madison Beer]

Okay.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I'm like, I'm getting. I'm like, I'm now understanding.

[Brett]

You can hear it too.

[Madison Beer]

No, it's. It's. It's. My friends will trip out to me because I'll meet someone out in public, and I'm like, oh, are you Jewish? And they're like, yeah. And I'm like, oh, where did you grow up? And they're like, where'd you go to camp? Where'd you go to college? Oh, I know four people. You know, and then. Yeah, it always happens.

[Jake]

And if.

[Madison Beer]

If you don't know, like, the Jewish geography game. It's unbelievable to you. I love it. It is. I love to meet someone where I'm like, you don't think we have a connection? We do.

[Brett]

Yeah. Where you grew up in Jericho, right?

[Madison Beer]

I grew up in Jericho, yeah. Long Island. And. Yeah. All my friends either went to, like, Wisconsin, Michigan, or.

[Brett]

Did you ever visit them?

[Madison Beer]

I went to Michigan. Yeah. When I was. Not went to for school, but I went to visit in their freshman year. Well, frat boys are really scary.

[Brett]

Well, yes.

[Madison Beer]

Didn't know that. You know, really scary. There was a lot of, like. I remember, like, a lot of beer being, like, spun.

[Brett]

Oh, I love that.

[Madison Beer]

And I was like, whoa, this is crazy. And I was very. I've never even been to, like, prom or homecoming. Like, I've never done anything.

[Brett]

So I was into a few USC tailgates.

[Madison Beer]

I did go to USC a couple of times, and I. I had friends that were in lambda chi, and it was fun. What was it called? The Atrium.

[Brett]

The Atrium. Stop it.

[Madison Beer]

You know, like, stop. It was fun. I was also, like, 19, so I was. I. Well, I guess that is how old you are in college, Dub. But I feel like everyone that I was friends with was Older and so I was kind of like, I felt so cool. And I would wear the little like

[Brett]

USC office and then the, the window above the atrium, you can look out.

[Madison Beer]

I have videos that are going to blow your. Your mind right now. I want to see them spraying champagne out of the window.

[Brett]

So fun.

[Madison Beer]

The best ever. I honestly have this weird thing where I'll. Are you very emotional? Like, do you cry a lot?

[Brett]

I don't cry, but I'm very like sensitive.

[Madison Beer]

Okay, same. I literally can't watch college football games because I will literally cry because I feel like I really missed out on a fun part.

[Brett]

I barely went to any games, but

[Madison Beer]

it seems so fun.

[Brett]

It was, it was.

[Madison Beer]

I know, I know. And I feel like I really missed out on like a lot of stuff. I mean, granted I was doing. Pursuing my dreams. Like I'm grateful for what I was doing, but I feel like people don't realize, like that's something I'll never be able to get back. It's like those college years, there it was.

[Brett]

There are certain moments where it's like you wake up and it's like it's

[Madison Beer]

8am, we're pre gaming. Yeah, it's fun.

[Brett]

Like I never got what she got. Like she went to Bama and like I never got that college experience.

[Madison Beer]

See, that sounds so fun.

[Brett]

It was.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, I know.

[Brett]

My best time of her life.

[Madison Beer]

Summer camp for me was that it was the best. But I also stopped going when I was 11. So I'm like, how many years did I really have?

[Brett]

But also like you get to.

[Madison Beer]

I was like in la, crowds of

[Brett]

thousands of people, of course.

[Madison Beer]

But I'm like, I should have. I do also sometimes feel socially a little stunted because I didn't go to high school or college.

[Brett]

Really?

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, I feel like I'm really awkward sometimes.

[Brett]

I don't think you're awkward at all.

[Madison Beer]

Really, at all. I feel like every conversation I enter, I leave being like, oh my God. I.

[Brett]

Well, that's normal really for me. We're doing.

[Madison Beer]

For us.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I feel like I am always. I don't know. And sometimes I feel like I am hard on myself because I don't do well like in party environments for a long time.

[Brett]

I think you're harder on yourself. Maybe. I don't know if I'm reading into this because you grew up on social so intensely. So you like, you view like conversations. Like everything feels like, was I just. What I said, like normal in like is that. You know what I mean?

[Madison Beer]

Feels normal.

[Brett]

Nothing feels normal is what I'M trying to say, yeah.

[Madison Beer]

And then I'm like, why is it 10pm and I really want to go home always. Are you like an isolator?

[Brett]

I stay. I say, well, when I.

[Madison Beer]

Because that's like a problem for me where I'm like, oh, you smoke weed? Yeah, when I stopped smoking weed, like, a year ago.

[Brett]

Oh, really?

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, like, fully quit. Because it's just I had one night where I was like, oh, my God, I'm gonna die one day and be in a coffin forever.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Didn't love that thought when I was stoned. So then I said, gonna put that down.

[Brett]

I stopped for nine months. Then I started again. I probably shouldn't be doing it, but, like, there's like five or 10 minutes where, like, my creativity hits, like, the biggest peak. And I'm like, I feel like when

[Madison Beer]

it's good, it's good.

[Brett]

When it's good, it's great.

[Madison Beer]

Or when you're also around really funny people and you're just laughing so hard, like some of the best nights of my life. But I just think my brain is too wired. I feel like my brain sabotages itself. Well, me, I guess. Like, it. I feel like I'm always like, okay, don't think about this one thing. Can't help it, right? Of course, like, when I'm on a plane, I'm just like, like picturing it going down.

[Brett]

Like, I'm freaking out always. You guys, Prime Day is almost here, which means it's time to get those shopping carts ready and press add to cart because the savings are big. Okay? If you know me, you know, some of my prime purchases have genuinely altered my life. For example, I have a beard trimmer that I got on Prime Day that, like, saves my life. When I don't want to, like, fully, like, close shave, I just want to do a quick little trim. I know it's sounds silly, but it's really helpful. I got a new computer on Prime Day last year. I get some of my pillows on Prime Day, like, some blankets. Like, anything that brings me comfort and convenience, I get on Prime Day. Also, my portable charger just gets me through my life that I got on Prime Day last year. So in honor of Prime Day, we will be doing a special tell me what's wrong segment where I will be prescribing special Prime Day deals to help you solve all your problems. I love my boyfriend, but he sleeps with his eyes open and it's terrifying. Every time I roll over, I see him just staring blankly and it freaks me out to the Point where I can't go back to sleep. Can I train him to stop doing this? Unfortunately, no, you can't. But what you can get him is a special silk sleeping mask that he will want to wear, and he'll put it on and he'll never want to take it off. And then you'll never have to roll over to your boyfriend with his eyes open again because his eyes will just be open under a silk sleeping mask. I recently started therapy, but I have this problem where every time I go into a session, I literally forget everything that's happened to me or anything I was upset about during the week. And then I feel like I have literally nothing to talk to her about. What do I do to fix this and get the most out of therapy? I would prescribe a cute, nice journal that you can get on a Prime Day deal to write all those things that you might forget down so that when you go into therapy, you can come in prepared. I lied to a boy and told him I read a bunch of books that I never actually read, and now I'm panicked he's going to ask me about them. I really have a hard time reading. But now I don't know what to do because he's the hottest guy I've ever seen. And honestly, I feel like I can should start becoming a reader anyway. I completely understand this. I sometimes lie in courtships all the time to make the person like me. But the good thing is that what you lied about is fixable. All you need to do is get an E reader on Amazon's Prime Day deal. It makes reading so much easier. It makes reading, like, more accessible to a more digital centric mind, if that makes sense. The time is now. So everyone add to cart because these deals were worth the wait. Shop Prime Day, June 23 through 26.

[Madison Beer]

Are you a bad flyer? No, I'm like, you need to give me, like, a dose for a horse.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

And it's still not right. I'm like, sorry, that's what this is. They're like, ma', am, no. Yeah, I am out. I did ketamine therapy.

[Brett]

Okay. Please. My best friend loves it more than anything. Really changed her life. Okay, tell me, did it. Is it.

[Madison Beer]

How many times has she done it?

[Brett]

A lot.

[Madison Beer]

Okay. I've only done it three times, which I think is, like, I thought that

[Brett]

was a lot and did it. What? What? What's the. I'm scared to do it.

[Madison Beer]

You should be. Because, honestly, and okay, I'm not. Also, anything I talk about regarding, like, medicine or, like, Therapy, you have to remember, it's like, from my experience, that's your journey.

[Brett]

I feel like we need to allow people to, like, talk about their own medical journey.

[Madison Beer]

But I'm just saying, like, you can't take what I'm saying and have it be like, oh, I can't do it. Like, this is what happened to me. I really enjoyed it, and I feel like it was very transformative. And the women that I did it with are incredible and, like, so beautiful. And they just, like, made me feel so safe while I was in it. Like, loved it, thought it was amazing. I think afterwards I felt really sick and nauseated, which is fine. And, like, that's not a huge deal. Mine, I think I had a lot of. I was going through a really intense breakup, and so I was just like, I need did something, like, bigger than talk therapy, because I just was feeling really rocked, like, in a way that I didn't feel I could recover from without some extra help. And my friend had done it, and she was like, I really recommend it. And she had gone through a really traumatic, like, breakup and whatever. And so I was like, you know what I am. I'm also really into mental health and, like, self help. And so I'm like, I'll just try it and if I hate it, I'll never do it again. Like, what's the worst that can really happen? And I fully left my body. I don't know if your friend says this.

[Brett]

I can't. Yes, she does.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah. Like, I was not in the room.

[Brett]

I can't do that. Yeah, I was like, that bugs me out. Like, she's like, oh, I travel continents.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, no, for sure. Like, not even continents. Like, you're not. You're not on, like, any type of fathomable. Like, you don't have an existence. Like, I kept saying I'm. It's everywhereness. Like, when I was really high, I would say that. And they're like, yeah, honey, it is. And like, it was just very. Like, the only way I could describe it is you go fully internal.

[Brett]

Right.

[Madison Beer]

So I'm like, basically, here, let me paint you the picture. Also, you could do it in this room because, like, I had plushies all on me, weighted ones.

[Brett]

The juice. Did they give you juice?

[Madison Beer]

No.

[Brett]

Oh, my friend goes to. They give her little juice boxes. What I ask.

[Madison Beer]

Oh, I was robbed.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I didn't get no juice box. But I was laying there and I was just like, okay, here we go. And then you start to just obviously feel it. And I am a talker I just love to.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Run my mouth. And so I was just talking and talking, and then I didn't want to put the eye mask on because I'm also a bit scared of the dark. And so I was like, I don't want to put eye mask on. I don't want to be wearing headphones. Like, I need to feel like I'm still in this room a little bit. You get to a point where you, like, can no longer talk and you no longer can participate in, like, you can't see anything. I don't know how to explain it. For me, I fully was like, okay, time to put the blindfold on because it's almost more comfortable to not see because there's so much happening in the room. So I put the blindfold on, I laid back, and I feel like I went fully into my own, like, soul. I don't know how to explain it. And there was just no. I had no ability of knowing that I was in a body or that I was myself. You don't really have thoughts, but you're kind of just. I don't know how to explain it without sounding.

[Brett]

I'm not sold.

[Madison Beer]

It's a very. I wish I was told how intense of an experience it was going to be, because my friend who told me it was like, oh, it's just like, yeah, no, I'm like, babe, I astral projected. Like, what do you mean? It was chill? Like, that was not chill at all. And also you think it's like 10 minutes and since three hours. So that was a. It was a crazy experience. But I do think it helped me a lot. I think it helped me specifically with my death anxiety because it made me feel like I can be detached from my body and it's not such a scary thing.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, so it did help.

[Brett]

I will give it a go.

[Madison Beer]

Just be prepared. Like, you're leaving.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

You're leaving.

[Brett]

I'm letting Hashem take the wheel.

[Madison Beer]

You're going. Yeah, full blown.

[Brett]

All right, you ready to do the tell me what's wrongs?

[Madison Beer]

Tell me what's wrong is so cute. Cute.

[Brett]

I started dating this guy, and he's great, but he works way too much, like, all the time. The only time I see him is in the evening. But the sex is good and he pays for everything. I like, legit, have nothing to do during the day because he takes care of me. But I'm starting to get uncomfortable with how comfortable I am, if that makes sense. Yes, it does. And you need to watch Real Housewives of Rhode Island.

[Madison Beer]

Is that all, that's all you have to say?

[Brett]

That's all I have to say because there's a girl on there. I don't know her name. I forget her name because it just started. But she has this sugar daddy pay for everything.

[Madison Beer]

So is this giving sugar daddy? I mean, it didn't sound like that.

[Brett]

I started eating this guy and he's great, but he works way too much.

[Madison Beer]

But it sounds like he just works during the day. But my advice to this person would be, I don't think you should, like, your whole life shouldn't revolve around him. You should have something to do with yourself also during the day.

[Brett]

Well, that's what is happening on the Real Housewives right now. She's like, I feel like I'm going crazy.

[Madison Beer]

Well, yeah, you need to. Like, your relationship should be a huge part of your life, but you should also have like things outside.

[Brett]

You should be self sufficient, make your own money.

[Madison Beer]

Well, that's why I'm like, don't. Even though he's taking care of you, don't. You don't want to rely on anybody and.

[Brett]

Yeah, especially Matt.

[Madison Beer]

No, never.

[Brett]

And like, you need to, like, you're like, you need to. God forbid something happens. Like you need to.

[Madison Beer]

You need to be okay to be alone.

[Brett]

Alone for sure.

[Madison Beer]

For sure.

[Brett]

So I would watch Real Housewives and maybe also read. Have you heard about the book? What is it?

[Jake]

Strangers.

[Brett]

Strangers, yeah. But that happens. This woman is Strangers. It's about this woman and her husband leads her during COVID for another woman and she has to be like completely financially independent. And it's like horrible, right?

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brett]

It's like, horrible. She has a horrible experience.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Okay. Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

That breaks my heart.

[Brett]

I know. It's really sad. My friend read it so she couldn't stop crying.

[Madison Beer]

It was like.

[Brett]

Yeah, she said everyone needs to read it.

[Madison Beer]

Is it true? It's a true story. It's a true story. Oh my goodness.

[Brett]

I know. He literally like, I can't watch Euphoria

[Madison Beer]

because I'm like, it's too, too close to home.

[Brett]

Back in the deep end with Euphoria.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, well, because isn't it. It's airing right now, right? Yeah, but Cassie and Nate's wedding just happened.

[Brett]

Yeah, but I thought I was. I was gone. Like, I thought they lost me. I really thought they lost.

[Madison Beer]

I'm sure they know how to suck people back in.

[Brett]

I watched the last. It was first episode. I was like, okay, so can you

[Madison Beer]

give me a brief? Like, what's going on what's going on, because I. The only thing I know. The only thing I know is that Cassie and Nate were cheating on Maddie. Like, while Nate was cheating on Maddie. That's, like, the only thing I know about the show.

[Brett]

Maddie goes to their.

[Madison Beer]

Did you watch Heated Rivalry?

[Brett]

Sorry, of course.

[Madison Beer]

Okay, we need to talk about that after. But, yeah, go ahead.

[Brett]

Maddie goes to their wedding, and, like, it's just, like, really, like, they put the actors, like, really put on a good show. Like, they put on a great performance. In my mind, Like, Sydney Sweeney.

[Madison Beer]

What was she doing?

[Brett]

Sobbing blood.

[Madison Beer]

Screaming blood from what?

[Brett]

Nate owns. Nate owes people money.

[Madison Beer]

Oh, so they came in, like, beat?

[Brett]

Yeah, a lot. Yeah. Well, they beat him up, and then she gets hit in the crossfire. It's, like, insane. Whoa. Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Are they supposed to be, like, adults now?

[Brett]

Well, so this is how many years later?

[Madison Beer]

Like, this.

[Brett]

They're like, this is post grads. But we left off when they were 17. It's like, are we 10 years?

[Madison Beer]

17 in euphoria. No, 16.

[Brett]

17.

[Madison Beer]

That is not how 16 they were not.

[Brett]

I know, I know. But now I'm like, this is not how people act post grad. So I'm confused. It's supposed to be 22 now. It doesn't make sense. I thought it was.

[Jake]

Wow. Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

They jumped five years. They should have been 22 in the first season.

[Brett]

Right? Or, like, 20 or something.

[Madison Beer]

OMG.

[Brett]

Yeah. But I'm back. I'm like, really?

[Madison Beer]

Like, were you obsessed with Heated Rivalry?

[Brett]

It sent me into, like, genuine psychosis.

[Jake]

Me, too.

[Brett]

I remember life before it and after. I was like, oh.

[Madison Beer]

But I was, like, changed.

[Brett]

Wait. My friend was like, please, please do not watch it until after New Year's. Because that era of like, or the area between Christmas and New Year's is so dark. Especially when you're, like, Jewish and you're like, like, what the. What.

[Madison Beer]

What am I doing?

[Brett]

And, like, I was like, what? I watched it during that time period, and I was, like, stoned all day, and I was just like, oh, this isn't. I can't do this right now. Have you met any of the actors?

[Madison Beer]

No, but are you, like, more of a Connor, or you've met all.

[Brett]

Yeah, I met. Yeah. Then they're so kind, so lovely.

[Madison Beer]

I think I'd, like, not be able to act normal around them. Of course I would not be able to act normal.

[Brett]

I watched Connor in a movie before he did Rivalry came out. This, like, gay movie called Riley, and I remember seeing it. And then I saw you do Robbery, and I Was like, oh, this guy looks really familiar. Oh my God. Because I saw him in this movie.

[Madison Beer]

That's crazy.

[Brett]

Yeah. Every time I'm hungry, I want to break up with my boyfriend. But as soon as I eat something, usually Oreos, I'm fine again. This has happened with both my ex boyfriends and I don't know what it means. Help. I don't want to ruin relationships over dumb shit like this anymore. I hate Oreos.

[Madison Beer]

Are we being serious?

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Was that for real?

[Brett]

Yes.

[Madison Beer]

I don't think that was for real. I mean, I think she's joking. You think you're hungry, so you want to break up with your boyfriend, then there's a deeper problem happening there, but deeper.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Madison Beer]

And also, I mean, I'm an Oreo. Here's what, how I'll eat an Oreo.

[Brett]

I hate Oreos.

[Madison Beer]

I'll only eat it if I like soak it in milk for. And it gets soft. I can't eat like a hard raw. A raw Oreo is not for me.

[Brett]

It makes me sick.

[Madison Beer]

Are you like a chocolate chip cookie?

[Brett]

I like a sugar cookie.

[Madison Beer]

You know what? I love a shortbread cookie. Have you had a shortbread? No, I don't think I have the way. Okay. Are you a sensory, like, big sensory person too? Like, enough, like, I'm like, I can like my house. I'm like, I've got slime, I've got all those puppets. Like, I love, love all that stuff. Anything sad. Like, I ordered a cat brush off of Tick Tock Shop the other day because I was like, this cat brush looks like it's going to change my life.

[Brett]

Did it?

[Madison Beer]

Oh, absolutely. And my cat loves it. It was incredible. But things like that I'm obsessed with. Why'd I bring this up? Oh, and I brought. Yeah, also what happens to me. My brain just goes dark and I'm like, wait, I was talking about something dumb. Do this to me right now. Shortbread cookies, they have this way of like you bite into them and they almost get like soft between. I don't know how to explain what you mean.

[Brett]

It's like hard on the outside, soft.

[Madison Beer]

Like, you know, some things that you want to just chew on. Like. Are you a chewer?

[Brett]

Yeah, sometimes.

[Madison Beer]

Like, is there stuff that you're like, I just need, like, I'm like that with bottle caps. Like, I need to chew on a bottle cap.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Madison Beer]

Sometimes with like, I like ice. Yeah, but I mean more things that you shouldn't be chewing on. Like, I'm trying to think of an

[Brett]

example, like my Sleeves are like my.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah. But I chew on, like, plastic things that are like, you shouldn't have those in your mouth. I'm trying. I can't think of an example. Like, there are certain slimes that, like, are crunchy that I'm like, oh, to bite into. That would be. Oof. It would change me.

[Brett]

Right?

[Madison Beer]

But I feel like the closest you

[Brett]

can get to biting into slime is whatever. They have that at Pinkberry. The.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah. Oh, so good.

[Brett]

So good.

[Madison Beer]

That's just melted crunch bar.

[Brett]

Really? That makes me like it even more.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, I know. Amazing.

[Brett]

That makes me like it even more incredible. What's your favorite frozen yogurt shop in the world?

[Madison Beer]

In the world?

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

There's a spot in long island called 16 Handles that I think is about

[Brett]

16 Handles best fast. So Sandals is.

[Madison Beer]

But in LA, I really like go Greek.

[Brett]

Yeah. But they just opened in New York.

[Madison Beer]

Really?

[Brett]

Yeah. And I'm so excited to go. I'm gonna go tomorrow.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah. Are you going to New York tomorrow?

[Brett]

I'm going tonight.

[Madison Beer]

Oh, wow.

[Brett]

I know.

[Madison Beer]

Thanks for doing this. You know, I love A16 handles. I go cake batter, and then I put that.

[Brett]

The cake batter at 16 handles so different. If, you know, you know, you know.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah. And then I do the little mini Reese's peanut butter cup.

[Brett]

Yep.

[Madison Beer]

And they get frozen and hard. Oh, my God. So anything Reese's. I love. I love peanut butter. And then I do the chocolate crunchy stuff on top.

[Brett]

Oh, 60 handles is the best.

[Madison Beer]

So good. Like, it's so good. I hate frozen ogre that, like, is. Well, I guess go Greek is that. But it's, like, so healthy. I'm like, no, like, it needs to still taste good.

[Brett]

Yeah. I used to not, like, go Greek. And then, like, my taste buds changed, and I was like, oh, I really

[Madison Beer]

like this Go Greek. I like, if I'm in the mood for something, like, refreshing and tart.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Madison Beer]

That's what I go to Go Greek for if I'm in the mood for, like, ice cream. Well, no, if I'm in the mood for ice cream, I go to, like, ice cream shops.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Are you a soft serve person or, like, a soft serve love? Soft.

[Brett]

Soft serve. Always soft serve.

[Madison Beer]

Is that an east coast thing, though?

[Brett]

Because it is, because all of my

[Madison Beer]

friends from the west coast own, like, when we walk. I, I. This scared me. Like, I literally walked into an ice cream shop with my friend the other day, and there was a soft serve, like, whatever the brand is that we all love with. You can get the chocolate vanilla swirl and she chose to get, like, the hard ice cream.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

And I was like, I'm a little scared of you right now. Like, what? She was saying the same thing on me. She was like, girl, what? Like, it's so much better than soft serve. I'm like, no, it's objectively not up for debate. Like, I'm not having this conversation with you. Are you a sprinkles person? Sorry, I'm. This is.

[Brett]

This whole podcast is me, Rainbow sprinkles. Have you been to E. Mac and Bolios?

[Madison Beer]

No. What is that?

[Brett]

Oh, my God. It's not soft serve. It is hard ice cream, but it is the best.

[Madison Beer]

Some hard ice cream is good, but if I'm given the option of soft serve or, like, what is hard ice cream even called? Like, we're calling it hard ice cream.

[Brett]

I don't even know what.

[Madison Beer]

Just normal ice cream. I'm going soft serve.

[Brett]

Always.

[Madison Beer]

No question.

[Brett]

Always. Why? The fact that that's debatable is it's easier to lick. It's easier to eat.

[Madison Beer]

It's better.

[Brett]

It's better.

[Madison Beer]

It just tastes better.

[Brett]

It tastes better.

[Madison Beer]

Thank you.

[Brett]

I was pushing my friend around in her temporary wheelchair while she recovers from a broken leg. Like, one day we're out in the campus village and ran into this guy I like. We started talking and kind and got kind of lost in our ways until the guy started yelling, yo, yo, yo. I turned around and she was rolling down the street hill headed for the intersection. We caught up to her in time, but now she won't talk to me because I put the guy first and almost maybe would have got her more hurt. Please give me a clever way to apologize so I can break the ice.

[Madison Beer]

Oh, my God. She almost like Regina George. Turn.

[Brett]

It's not your fault.

[Madison Beer]

Oh, my God.

[Brett]

It's not your fault. I am so male centered. Like, I would have been like, ah, you're out.

[Jake]

All right.

[Madison Beer]

I'm like, wait, no, it is not your fault.

[Brett]

Like, if you're talking to a guy like, that becomes, like, it really. It's just. It's. Sometimes it happens. It becomes your whole world. And, like, you don't notice your surroundings for sure.

[Madison Beer]

When I'm having a conversation with my boyfriend, my hair could be on fire and I wouldn't notice. Of course. Like, literally, of course. But of course, to be honest with you, I. He's like the first person I feel that way about.

[Brett]

Really?

[Madison Beer]

Like, kind of like I feel.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Like, I can be. Literally, like, the world can be ending around me and I wouldn't know.

[Brett]

Well, that's.

[Jake]

Oh.

[Madison Beer]

Which was kind of cute.

[Brett]

That's cute. You feel, like, finally, like, secure.

[Madison Beer]

Totally. I think that, like, it's just so mature, I guess, if that's the right word. Like, which I'm sure obviously comes with age. But I think that I also am at a point in my life where I'm like, what do I really want for my, like, future?

[Brett]

Right.

[Madison Beer]

Do I want to just, like, around forever? Like, no, I don't. Like, I know what I want, and I feel like that was. Was also really big with us meeting. Like, it felt like he was. I don't know, like, he just came into my life at, like, the perfect time.

[Brett]

Where was your first date, dude?

[Madison Beer]

Literally at my house. Because we were just, like, scared to go in public. Yeah, we were nervous.

[Brett]

When did you guys, like, debut publicly? Sounds so silly, but, like, our debut.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, it was, like, in August, which. Dude, this was such a crazy situation because literally, I. We were just trying. We weren't trying to keep it private because we cared. It was just more so, like, for us, it just is a lot to. I don't know. We just were like, let's. Especially when you're first with somebody and dating them, you don't want to, like, publicly be out there and then what if it doesn't work out, like, a month later? So I'd rather it be really, like, serious at that point. So I think we just were like, we don't need to be out in public. And, like, you know, we. We have no problem sitting in my kitchen and talking for eight hours. So, like, what? We don't need to, like, go do things. And. And that day was literally a my album photo shoot, and he was just there and didn't know there was a paparazzi outside. And what's so crazy is we weren't even ever meant to go outside. We were only ever meant to shoot in the house. And randomly. The photographer was like, that.

[Jake]

The.

[Madison Beer]

How the wall outside is really cute. We should just shoot there. I have these, like, big angel wings on.

[Brett]

Huh?

[Madison Beer]

It's ridiculous. And so we, like, did it, and nothing came of it. And then the next morning, my. I. Well, the next morning, I see the photos, and no one has clocked him yet. No one. Like, it's all just my fans being like, madison's shooting something because I had angel wings on. She's like, oh, my God, she's shooting me for album. So no one had said anything. And then my friend who is in a Chargers discord, like, he's Literally in. He's a huge Chargers fan. He's in. He's like, what is this? And he, like, sends me a screenshot of it, and he's like, I just got this. Got put in the discord. And, like, people just realized that that's Justin. And I. I was like, this is. I knew any second it was about to, like, go everywhere, and I was just like, oh, my God. And it was fine. I don't. We weren't stressed about it, and now we've, like, like, obviously just embrace being kind of, like, public, but it's just when something's so sacred, you just don't want to throw it at.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Brett]

In the hands of other people.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah. I'm like, it's. This is for us. This is our thing. And I feel like we've done a good job now of, like, we go out and people see us, but we really are home bodies, and, like, we don't really leave the house that much. And I think that's been really good. But, yeah, when it first came out, literally, it was. He was also. I was gonna say rehearsing.

[Jake]

I always say.

[Madison Beer]

I always say he's rehearsing, and I always call his outfit his costume, because that's just, like, how my, like. Yeah, it is, though.

[Brett]

I'm like, what else are they doing? It's not. They're practicing. It's rehearsing.

[Madison Beer]

Rehearsing, costume. It's all entertainment. He laughs whenever I say that. But he, like, he was on the field when the news broke, and so I was. I was worried he was going to be panicked because he's. I was just like, I'm scared. And so then, yeah, he. He called me right after he got off, and I was like, hey, public boyfriend. And he was like, hey, public girlfriend. Yeah, it was fine. Like, I think we were both nervous. The other person was gonna be, like, spooked by it.

[Brett]

Right.

[Madison Beer]

We both were like, like, whatever.

[Brett]

Yeah, we're in love.

[Madison Beer]

So.

[Brett]

Star sign.

[Madison Beer]

Totally. We're very similar, which I think has also been something I've never been with. I feel like I've always been with people that I feel like I've always been like, oh, well, we balance. It's like, no, we are, like, so similar, and it's been so awesome.

[Brett]

Not about me, but my best friend and sister's husband was showing me. Wait. Not about me, but my best friend and sister's husband was showing me stuff on his phone at a family gathering. And while he was. And while he was. He opened up Snapchat and was showing me memories. Mind you, he's 32. The real Red flag was like, he had hundreds, a hundred snaps and conversations with people. This freaks me out. Do I tell my sister? So she's just freaked out that he's 32 in Snapchat.

[Madison Beer]

Wait. Yeah. I'm like, I was waiting to hear that. Like, he was snapchatting other girls, but he just has memories and he was just showing you them. I'm guilty of that. I'm like a camera roll shower.

[Brett]

Me too.

[Madison Beer]

If we hang out, I'm like, wait, look at this one video of me from seven years ago.

[Brett]

It's so funny voice.

[Madison Beer]

Or I'm like, let's look at my Tick Tock likes. I know you're dying to see them.

[Brett]

Like, Tick Tock likes Tick tock reposts.

[Madison Beer]

My memory's on Snapchat. I'm like, I'm sorry, but we are kind of getting, like, to the age where maybe it is embarrassing.

[Brett]

32 is crazy.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, we're not that age, but. Yeah, well, not the 32 man on Snapchat is crazy.

[Brett]

Sorry. No offense to him.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah, well, you know what? Always tell me if you were like this. I don't know if this is because I didn't go to high school, but I never, like, communicated with people on Snapchat.

[Brett]

Yes. I talk about this all the time.

[Madison Beer]

I never did talk solely on.

[Brett]

No, I. I was. I message. And I would send photos back and forth on Snapchat. Correct.

[Madison Beer]

Like, streaks, whatever, fine. But like, I know. I think it's like the generation under us. Like kids that are like 21.

[Brett]

Yeah. Yes.

[Madison Beer]

They legitimately talked only on Snapchat. They're also. They have like 2 million SNAP scores. And I'm like, what?

[Brett]

It's crazy.

[Madison Beer]

I've had my Snapchat for like 10 years, and mine's not even like 100.

[Brett]

And they all Snap maps. It's wild.

[Madison Beer]

I can't with that.

[Brett]

And they like, I have.

[Madison Beer]

Mine's never been on my Snap map.

[Brett]

No.

[Madison Beer]

What are you doing?

[Brett]

Bugs me.

[Madison Beer]

I do have find my friend. Are you a tracker?

[Brett]

Yeah, but I got a new phone and I can't try. Like, she keeps trying to track me and it's.

[Madison Beer]

Oh, it's not working.

[Brett]

Does it work? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I love. I love a find my. Find my friends.

[Brett]

Yeah, me too. I. I used to be the biggest.

[Madison Beer]

So many people.

[Brett]

Doesn't work. My only. The only one that can track me is my best friend Alice, and she's, like, able to track me for some reason. And she keeps trying. It doesn't work. It drives her insane because she can't tell.

[Madison Beer]

I know. I. I need tracking. Yeah, it saves me.

[Brett]

Me and my best friend were walking home from the bar and took a shortcut. Only, wait, wait.

[Madison Beer]

We didn't tell that girl what to do. Tell her sister, do we? I mean, tell your sister what?

[Brett]

Just drop it.

[Madison Beer]

Also, though, like, tell your sister that he's on Snapchat. I'm sure she knows.

[Brett]

She knows.

[Madison Beer]

She knows.

[Brett]

Yeah, she must. She must.

[Madison Beer]

Anyway, sorry, I just realized we shouldn't

[Brett]

tell you because this one's crazy. I got, like.

[Madison Beer]

I'm scared.

[Brett]

Take. It is really crazy. Me and my friend were walking home from the bar and took a shortcut, only to stumble across a dead body laying there in the alley. We were so freaked out, we just screamed and ran. But now we're feeling hella guilty about just leaving it there and not reaching out.

[Madison Beer]

Are we a part of a crime now that you read this out loud?

[Brett]

Crazy.

[Madison Beer]

Did you just leave me into something

[Brett]

to call it in or should we stay out of it? Well, by the time this episode comes out, I really hope.

[Madison Beer]

What?

[Brett]

But I would have def. If I saw a dead body, I'd immediately call it in.

[Madison Beer]

Hello. I would hope any. When I see a dead animal, I call it in. Yeah, like, legitimately. Yeah, I have a problem with that.

[Brett]

What you call in.

[Madison Beer]

Sorry. Now I'm just like, wait, let me call it a confession thing. I, like, need to tell you. No, I, like, roadkill is a really, like, sensitive topic for me. Like, I am, like. It ruins my day when I see roadkill. It really, really upsets me. And I. I don't always call it in, but, like, I saw a dog recently.

[Brett]

Oh, I would have called that.

[Madison Beer]

And I got out of my car, and I literally was on the side of the road, like, moving him out of the street.

[Brett]

Oh, God.

[Madison Beer]

And I was just so upset. And I. Well, I called it in also because I was like, this could be. It looked someone's dog. It looked like someone's dog. It was horrible.

[Brett]

Oh, God.

[Madison Beer]

Sorry. Not to, like, ruin the mood, but it's so sad.

[Jake]

Like, I don't know.

[Madison Beer]

I just also. I think it pisses me off that I'm like, so many people just drive by and, like, don't do anything. Like, I don't know. I try to give them, like, dignity. I've buried roadkill on the side.

[Brett]

Really?

[Madison Beer]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Is there a lot of roadkill on Long Island?

[Madison Beer]

Way more here. Really? For sure. I'VE like, barely ever seen any in Long Island.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Madison Beer]

Yeah. Which you would think it'd be more because.

[Brett]

Yeah. For some reason, it just seems less. Less. Like this is more interesting.

[Madison Beer]

No. I see roadkill all the time in la.

[Brett]

Well, that makes.

[Madison Beer]

Well, I buried a squirrel the other day, and it was. I felt like I did a good thing.

[Brett]

You touched it with.

[Madison Beer]

I had something on my hands. Like, I had a T shirt. Like, I wrapped my hands in a T shirt. But I fully brought him. He was. He was laying in. I'm assuming his gender. That's not cool. He was laying in the road, though, and he did. He looked completely untouched.

[Brett]

Squirrels are boys.

[Madison Beer]

But he looked untouched.

[Brett]

Squirrels are boys.

[Jake]

They are. Right?

[Brett]

Squirrels are boys.

[Madison Beer]

There are some animals that are. Are inherently, I think, like, obviously dull. Ladybugs are girls.

[Brett]

Yeah. Girls. Butterflies are girls for sure. Butterflies are girls.

[Madison Beer]

Squirrels are boys. Dogs are boys for sure. It's all the ones that, like, aren't cute are the boys. What are octopuses? Octopi.

[Brett]

I think they are gender neutral.

[Madison Beer]

They are. Well, what the hell are we talking about?

[Brett]

I don't think we got.

[Madison Beer]

Well, that is insane.

[Brett]

And I lie, probably.

[Madison Beer]

Oh, we're talking about roadkill.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Why did I bring that up? Well, why do I do that?

[Brett]

It's okay. What, Madison, what did we learn today?

[Madison Beer]

That we both suffer from ocean.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

That we both need help.

[Jake]

And

[Madison Beer]

that's pretty much what I. That's my main takeaway.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

But you know what? That I'm not alone.

[Brett]

No, you're not.

[Madison Beer]

I'm not alone.

[Brett]

And you're happy.

[Madison Beer]

You made me feel a lot more like the things that I struggle with are actually really.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Brett]

I'm so happy you left. Feeling that way.

[Madison Beer]

No, for real. Well, because I feel like sometimes I think. Think it's a very, like. It's an isolating feeling when you're like, I. There cannot be that many people that are this.

[Brett]

Yesolating.

[Madison Beer]

Well, I feel crazy a lot. And I'm like. Well, especially because I feel like I suffer with, like, anxiety and then all this stuff. And so you've definitely made me feel less alone.

[Brett]

Wait. And also, the deluxe of your album will be out.

[Madison Beer]

Would have been out.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Brett]

I'm so.

[Madison Beer]

Did you get to hear any of it?

[Brett]

No, I didn't say.

[Madison Beer]

Okay, I'll send it to you.

[Brett]

Send it to me.

[Madison Beer]

I love it. It's short. It's only. It's only four songs.

[Brett]

That's a lot for a deluxe.

[Madison Beer]

Well, I'm also just like it. They were the four songs that I loved, so take it or leave it, honey.

[Brett]

Congratulations.

[Madison Beer]

Thank you.

[Brett]

I love you.

[Madison Beer]

I love you.

[Brett]

I know.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

After you watch Vander Pump Rules, we'll do another one.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

I'll sit there and I'm going to interview you. About what?

[Brett]

Honestly? Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

So, wait, which Real Housewives should I watch? What's the most Salt Lake important?

[Brett]

Salt Lake is the greatest.

[Madison Beer]

It is.

[Brett]

It's the best. Like, it's the most.

[Madison Beer]

I need a lot of drama, Salt lap and craziness.

[Brett]

Promise you Salt Lake.

[Madison Beer]

Okay.

[Brett]

Promise you.

[Madison Beer]

You. And you better trust me.

[Brett]

I trust you. Because she's also like. You have to watch it. Yeah.

[Madison Beer]

Okay. Okay. You vouched for Salt Lake, too. Then I'm amazing. Okay.

[Brett]

Madison, good luck on tour.

[Madison Beer]

Thank you.

[Brett]

Congrats on the deluxe.

[Jake]

Thank you.

[Brett]

Thank you for being here.

[Madison Beer]

Bye.