Session 135: Katseye

Summary

THERAPUSS with Jake Shane
Episode: Session 135: Katseye (July 30, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this lively and deeply personal episode, host Jake Shane invites all five members of Katseye – the global pop phenomenon – onto the “Therapuss” couch for a freewheeling group therapy session. The discussion ranges from their creative evolution and life in the public eye to the struggles and joys of friendship, fame, dating, and finding confidence amid chaos. With Katseye’s trademark openness and Jake’s warm humor, the group dives into stories about touring, personal growth, and answering “Tell Me What’s Wrong” letters from listeners. If you’re interested in the inner workings of a modern girl group, the price and power of vulnerability, and honest takes on navigating youth and superstardom, you can’t miss this one.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Katseye’s Creative Evolution & Collaboration

• Working with Ed Sheeran: The new single “Animal” was sent to Katseye by Ed Sheeran himself.
  • Sophia: “He’s so sweet. And he was like, I have the song for you guys… We were like, we didn’t know, like, no way. And then so he, like, tells us, like, we’ve been working on this song with you guys, and when we heard the song, we were like, oh, we hear him” (03:09).
  • Lara: Also credits Blake and Omer for production help and their ongoing creative chemistry (03:28).
• Their Artistic Progression:
  • From the “CIS” era (safer, planned image) to “Gnarly” and “Beautiful Chaos” (riskier, truer to themselves).
  • Megan: “Gnarly and, like, that whole EP Beautiful Chaos was just, like, more us… a lot more raw and… in your face” (04:05).
  • Lara: The group began breaking out of prescribed roles, showing individuality and authenticity, especially through livestreams and social media. “Our authentic identity as individuals, but then also as a group started, like, breaking through” (04:31).
• Performance Favorites & Artistic Freedom:
  • Members discuss favorite songs to perform and the desire for more freedom on stage.
  • Sophia: “I love performing Mia… we have the most freedom… to really show our personality” (05:50, 06:11).
  • “Animal” is described as open and artistic: “Choreo is really exciting… but it’s a lot more open and a lot more space for our own artistry” (06:29).
  • Megan: “I like being really hot and sexy, so I really love Mia… it gives us more freedom to, like, do whatever the fuck we want” (08:54).

2. Behind the Scenes of Performances & Touring

• Festival Realities:
  • The group laughs about the ethereal image of festival performances versus the reality (sand, wind, hair stuck in mouths):
    • Sophia: “It’s very difficult” (07:58).
    • Megan: “My hair was in my face, and I was like, oh my God, I just look so ugly right now… I just don’t. I’m not giving right now” (08:06).
  • Physically challenging choreography and the adrenaline of stage versus daily life:
    • Megan: “We can do, like, whole sets, but then when it comes to, like, running or, like, walking, like, I can’t run” (10:36).
    • Host: “It’s probably the crowd maybe. Yeah, it’s probably the crowd and the adrenaline and rehearsal” (10:50).
• Tour Bus Antics: The group is excited about their upcoming first arena tour and tour bus life:
  • Danny: “We got to, like, sleep in the little, like, bed… we kept kikiing… climbing like it was crazy” (61:13).

3. Music as Expression – Vulnerability, Identity, and Queer Community

• Celebrating LGBTQ+ Roots and Trans Allyship:
  • Discussing “Mean Girls” and how a lyric referencing a trans girl was originally controversial.
  • Lara: “We love the trans community and also we love our gays… our, like, whole career, our… music genre… is inspired and built by the queer community and the trans community as well. So, like, it felt like a beautiful moment to… shout that out in a song” (18:17).
• Authenticity vs. Online Hate:
  • The group is candid about managing their public image and personal growth.
  • Sophia: “You kind of just grow numb to it… I realize that the internet is just a space that people feel so comfortable to just speak” (32:01).
  • Lara: “I do feel weirdly grateful for it because I think it’s taught me, like, so much grace for other people in life… especially artists. Creative people are, like, real messy people” (33:30, 33:58).
  • Sophia: “They don’t care to look for the nuance because it’s just like they’re so excited to jump on a train to hate someone… people deserve a chance to grow or to explain themselves” (34:10, 34:46).
• Perspective on Numbers and Fandom:
  • Sophia: “The internet is not everything. Like, go catch some butterflies… all those people outnumbered the amount of people that are actually making all this noise online” (36:23).

4. Personal Growth, Friendship, and Life Skills

• Dating and Social Life:
  • The challenges of dating as young stars, feeling older than their age, the pressure of public relationships, and difficulty meeting people outside the industry.
  • Lara: “I think it’s really hard in our situation to like, date as if we were our age… We are our age, but our life feels like we are way older” (27:07).
  • Sophia: “When you live in LA… it almost feels transactional… when you try to make connections…” (28:34).
• Rest, Coping with ADHD, and Self-Expression:
  • Discussion of how overwork aggravates ADHD and the need for rest and self-care.
  • Sophia: “If I could picture my ADHD in something physical, it would literally be like a roll of duct tape… fogging up everything… but then also, like, out of nowhere, it just disappears and then duct tapes me again” (46:14).
  • Members share how journaling, songwriting, and art are forms of rest as well as emotional outlets (49:22–50:58).
• Friendship & Support System:
  • The girls share how they lift each other up with physical affection, spoken reminders, and genuine care.
  • Sophia: “We know each other so well… our role is to constantly remind this person… the switch of perspective, like, that’s the first thing we do” (90:54).
  • Lara: “I really believe and know that, like, we want each other to win. And so it’s just like a really safe space and it could easily not be” (94:41).

5. “Tell Me What’s Wrong” Segment (Listener Letters & Advice)

• Facing Exes in LA (72:09):
  • Lara: “I see one of my exes almost every time I go out… You can’t live your life in fear.”
  • Megan: “They probably feel the exact same way… they’re feeling the same awkwardness.”
• Boyfriend Got a Buzz Cut (74:55):
  • Host: “She says I’m on the edge of breaking up with him because not only do I dislike how it looks, but he made a decision without my permission.”
  • Sophia: “He doesn’t need your permission to cut his hair… just because it’s different, it doesn’t mean, like, you hate it.”
  • The group debates unconditional love vs. superficial concerns – and encourages the host to buzz and bleach his hair as a sign of freedom and fun (77:41).
• Partner Won’t Dance (78:20):
  • Danny: “Maybe they are insecure for doing that… just give it time and eventually… if they really love you, they’ll do something for you no matter what.”
  • Megan: Shares a story of a partner feeling awkward, and the group reassures the listener that differences are normal, and to communicate rather than force.
• Social Anxiety with Instagram Posting (84:24):
  • Megan: “I love just posting whatever I want… and then I just don’t check my comments… I like posting. I love posting.”
  • Host: Reminds that social media used to be unfiltered and casual; pressure to curate kills the fun.
• Being Seen as “Too Nice” or a Pushover (87:08):
  • Lara: “Kindness and being nice to people is like. It’s a superpower,” but with boundaries.
  • Sophia: “You have to able to kind of have that selflessness and that boundary… when you have confidence in yourself and you respect yourself, like, that rubs off on people.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Jake Shane, on Katseye as guests: “I am obsessed with cat’s Eye. I saw them live at Coachella… being able to see the connections that they have with each other in person was really special” (00:42).
• Sophia, on trolls and perspective: “I would literally be on my phone and look like, wow, my phone is blowing up with people checking in on me. Like, it’s so loud. I put my phone down. I’m in a restaurant. Nobody fucking knows who I am in this room” (35:39).
• Lara, on performing “My Way”: “Coachella was… a place where we finally got to have ‘My Way’ performed in the way that we envisioned it and dreamed of it being. And that was… so fulfilling.” (15:24).
• Megan, on the demands of performing: “After dance break was added, it’s usually, like, gnarly’s usually at the end of our set. And I’m like, winded. I’m so winded…” (09:35).
• Sophia, about life online: “People don’t have original thoughts… Like, it has. Somebody starts it… and then they’ll see that. They’d be like, oh, my God. Yeah, this person’s right. Let’s get really loud… but they could sound like a whole stadium” (35:13).
• Lara, advice on being nice: “Kindness with boundaries… being really nice is… taking care and being nice to yourself and knowing, like, when something is going too far” (88:38).

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Noteworthy & Fun Moments

• The group reveals their “Cat’s Eye ab workout”—and the tradition of singing Ariana Grande while exercising (12:16).
• Lara tells the infamous “Omar Apollo break dance battle at Benny Blanco’s party” story in the ‘partner won’t dance’ segment (80:32).
• Discourse around K-pop industry rules, dating privacy, and how their personalities break the mold.
• Catseye’s “Nowhere Land” lore—a secret narrative woven into their music videos for dedicated fans (68:53–71:02).
• Amusing asides about hating cardio, being out of breath on treadmills, gym anxiety, and their parents’ group chat being “more active than [theirs]” (57:43).

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Track List & Upcoming Era (New EP: Wild, Arena Tour)

• Katseye’s new EP Wild is imminent, and they’re launching their first global arena tour.
  • Danny: “It’s our first ever arena tour ever… our second tour. It’s sold out today… we’re going to Europe… North America… It’s really, really exciting. I love going on tour.” (60:39).
  • Songs on Wild are especially cherished: “all the songs, like, I’m wanting to listen to it… as if it’s not even our song” (63:32, Sophia).

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Life Lessons, Tone, and Final Thoughts

This episode vibrates with Katseye’s playful, vulnerable, and big-hearted energy. Conversations effortlessly switch from industry commentary to personal confessions and wild anecdotes. The group is authentic, messy, affirming, and deeply supportive—truly operating like sisters.

Jake’s sentiment at close:
“I am leaving this feeling, like, so empowered and feeling, like, good… you guys, like, make every space you’re in so comfortable, so welcoming, so warm.” (98:19)

Katseye’s uplifting reminder:

• “Go catch some butterflies… the Internet is not everything.” (37:00, Sophia)

Closing note:
The bond, the honesty, the insight, and the joy radiate in every answer—whether heartfelt or hilarious.

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For new listeners or icons alike, this episode is a masterclass in group artistry, self-acceptance, and finding resilience through community.

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Transcript

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[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Hi, guys. Welcome back to Therapists. I am recording this on my new Osmo that I got you guys. I got a new osmo. They are really worth the hype, let me tell you. Like, it makes filming life so much more fun. And so it's. It's so easy. It's just. I highly recommend. All that goes to say is I'm recording this intro from New York. I just got back from Spain with Peyton, Julia, Cass, and Sally. And I was in Paris for a bit. Oh, my God. Not me, like, telling you my real summer, you guys. So I just got. I just got back. I don't know why it doesn't. That doesn't even matter to this intro at all. It's actually not what I Like what I'm trying to say. Okay, hold on. Let me collect myself for a second. I think I just, like, really need to talk to the camera for like five seconds. I'm back in New York. I'm seeing Omar tonight with Meg Sultor. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. The weather's a little strange right now. There's always that, like, weird pocket of a season, like late January, early fe. Oh, like that. Like that pocket is right now in summer, I'm alone for, like, more periods of time. So I just kind of like learning how to. To be alone and not spiral. Like, be productive instead of spin out, you know what I mean? And I know that sounds like so easy, but it's really not like it is so easy to pick a fight. Tonight on Therapist, we have Cat eye. I am obsessed with cat's eye. I'm obsessed with cat's eye. I saw them live at Coachella with Charlie, Will, and Cassidy, and I just, like, really am a huge Cat's Eye fan. So this was. Was really, like, exciting for me. Like, you guys don't understand, like, when they perform my way on tour, like, I watch. I watch the whole thing through every time, and being able to see the connections that they have with each other in person was really special. So if you guys don't know much about cats, I am so excited for you to learn more about them. Okay, well, enjoy the episode. And I'm Pussies. Your new single, animal.

[Danny]

Amazing.

[Sophia]

It will be.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I felt like I was like. They sent it to me on a Dropbox links, and I was like, really?

[Yoonjae]

The honor.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I was like, okay, what was it like working with Ed Sheeran?

[Sophia]

He's so sweet.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

He's the sweetest.

[Sophia]

And he was like, I have the song for you guys. We were like, we didn't know, like, no way. And then so he, like, tells us, like, we've been working on this song with you guys, and when we heard the song, we were like, oh, we hear him. That's him in the.

[Lara]

Yeah, it's, like, very.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, it's a very Ed Sheeran.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

And it's so fun, but.

[Lara]

But we got to work with Blake and Omer.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Got it. Yes.

[Lara]

Who did that? And they also did Touch for us. We love them. They're great.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

What was the biggest difference that you guys noticed from the CIS era to the gnarly era?

[Megan]

It was, like, the biggest switch ever,

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

because I was about to say, I feel like sis. I mean, you guys were huge. But then gnarly. I remember seeing an interview of you guys talking about being like, we were scared for Gnarly to come out, and then everyone. It just. I feel like it. You guys exploded from it.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Lara]

Yeah.

[Megan]

I think, like, gnarly. We, like, really took, like, a risk. I feel like. I feel, like, gnarly and, like, that whole EP Beautiful Chaos was just, like, more us. It was, like, a lot more. Like, we could be ourselves on stage more. I feel like EP1 was, like, a little bit more safe, especially since. Yeah, it's like we're kind of testing the water a little bit. But Gnarly was, like, a lot more raw and, like, a lot more in your face. But, yeah, we were definitely scared when we got.

[Lara]

I also. I also feel like in CIS era, there was, like, at least, like, from when Cat's Eye was, like, announced and then to that era, there was, like, an idea of what Cat's Eye was supposed to be and, like, what we were supposed to give. The vision, the music. Like, I think there was, like, a set, somewhat sort of plan, and then I think that we kind of, like, broke those rules. If that Makes sense like through our live streams, through, like, our individual expression, say, like, on our Instagram or like, even in performances. Like, I think, like, our authentic identity as individuals, but then also as a group started, like, breaking through. And so I think everyone kind of noticed, like, this is actually probably not like, the perfect vibe for them.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right.

[Lara]

Like, they need something a little bit more messy and a little bit more crazy. So.

[Yunche]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Megan]

I think at times we were, like, trying to give gnarly during touch. Like our, like, performance wise, like, we would be, like, making, like, gnarly faces and they're like, this is not. We like that.

[Yoonjae]

Does it get.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Do you guys each have a favorite song to perform?

[Sophia]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

Well, I love performing Mia so much. I feel like that song specifically, we have the most freedom. We had, like, staging, but, like, the most freedom to really show our personality and like, almost freestyle on stage. But I feel like all of our other songs that sound like they need choreography, they have choreography.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right?

[Sophia]

And it was the first time we get to really just have that kind of energy, but also show our artistry and move in our own bodies. And so, like, we craved a lot of that, a lot more. And I feel like Animal is also giving that, you know, like, when we first saw the Choreo, we were like, there's so much more room for us to show artistry and, like, freestyle more.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I'm so excited to see the Choreo.

[Sophia]

The Choreo is really exciting. Like, like, we're like, we. There's choreography and all that, but it's a lot more open and a lot more space for our own artistry and us for. To freestyle a lot more and just live and just sing the song. In comparison to Gnarly or Pinky up, we're literally moving. We're dancing. We're dancing.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

So I feel like Animal is going to be really fun to perform.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right. Yoonjae, do you have a favorite song?

[Yunche]

I actually love performing Game Boy on the stage. Me too.

[Megan]

That's so fun.

[Yunche]

Yeah. Especially on, like, festival when we have all the winds and everything. Like, when we do Game Boy, I know Lara doesn't really like.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You don't like Game Boy?

[Lara]

No, I love the song so much. I just. I don't like the choreography.

[Sophia]

She just gets.

[Yunche]

You get stitch every time.

[Lara]

I get a stitch.

[Sophia]

The runner's cramp.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Oh, you get it during Game Boy?

[Lara]

Yeah, I get it during Game Boy every time. Because there's like, so much like, hopping and jumping.

[Sophia]

Cardio.

[Lara]

It's cardio. So it's just, like. It's not quite my tea. But I love the song, right? Like, it's, like, a really good.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, but I know what you mean with the festival where. Because when I saw you guys at Coachella, the. My favorite part about, like, seeing a performance at a festival is that especially in the desert, is, like, the desert wind blowing in the artist's hair as they're, like, performing. It feels, like, so ethereal.

[Danny]

Like, so.

[Sophia]

It's very difficult.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's so pop star.

[Danny]

It was not, though.

[Sophia]

It's very. It doesn't feel as glamorous as it

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

was

[Megan]

because my hair was in my face, and I was like, oh, my God, I just look so ugly right now. Like, I just can't.

[Yoonjae]

I'm choking on my hair. Like, I kept.

[Megan]

Like, my hair was in my mouth, and I was like, I just don't. I'm not giving right now, but.

[Sophia]

And the sand in your mouth.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It was weekend, too.

[Danny]

It was actually better. There was actually.

[Megan]

Weekend one was worse.

[Danny]

Yeah, there was less. Like, you know, we have our water

[Sophia]

bottles, and, like, there's a straw. The sand gets caught inside. So when I would drink it, it gets a little sandy when you're on stage, you're talking, like, you're kind of like.

[Yoonjae]

You're like.

[Lara]

It's like chewing on the sandwich.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's like when you have a picnic on the beach and it gets in the sandwich.

[Sophia]

That was the entire culture.

[Lara]

We were wearing contacts and, like, a

[Yunche]

man was getting on.

[Sophia]

I took my contacts out right before I was. I can't do this. Like, I can't. Yeah, I couldn't do it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Do you have a favorite song?

[Megan]

I like being really hot and sexy, so I really love Mia as well, because I feel like it's like, it gives us more freedom to, like, do whatever the fuck we want. Like, I could literally just be crawling on the floor and. Yeah, I feel like Emma, especially with, like, the live band, it makes me feel like. I feel like Britney Spears. Like, I feel. I feel like it. Like, I really embody, like, a pop star during that song and being able to, like, bounce around on stage and, like, do whatever I want. It's, like, so fun. Like, I think I like, a little bit more, like, no structure when it comes to, like, performances. But I think, am I also. Gnarly is pretty fun, too. But recently. Recently I've been having so much anxiety with that fucking song.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Why?

[Megan]

Because. Okay. Especially after dance break was added, it's usually, like, gnarly's usually at the end of Our set. And I'm like, winded. I'm so winded. And I have to, like, slide through these Laura's legs. And I, like, don't really get a break in that, like, dance break at all.

[Yunche]

And I'm like.

[Megan]

I'm like, like, panting.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I mean, that dance break, I will never forget. I opened up Tick Tock. I think it was the. I think you debuted it at your beautiful Chaos tour, right?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Lara]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

And I remember opening it up Tick Tock. And I was just like, what the.

[Megan]

It's like so in your face.

[Sophia]

Like, you're not allowed to blink.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You can't blink or you'll miss something. Yeah, it's the. It's. It's really incredible. Like, you guys should be so proud of yourselves. It's not an easy thing to put. Like, obviously it's not an easy thing to pull off, but, like, then to continue to do a show after that, I mean, I can barely get up my flight of stairs, truthfully.

[Megan]

But you know what's so funny? Like, I feel like we can do, like, whole sets, but then when it comes to, like, running or, like, walking, like, I can't run. I'm out of breath even.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah.

[Lara]

Up the stairs, up the stairs.

[Megan]

I still did. I still pant.

[Lara]

But then we can somehow get through the show.

[Megan]

Yeah, I, like, always think about that.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Like, dude, it's probably the crowd maybe. Yeah, it's probably the crowd and the adrenaline and rehearsal.

[Lara]

Like, we get through rehearsal, but then when I'm on a treadmill, I'm like, dying.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Treadmills, I'm always dying. Treadmills, I'm always dying. I can't go because you're like, I'm running to nowhere.

[Danny]

There's no motivation.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I have no motivation. I have no motivation. That makes sense. So your body's like, I'm out.

[Sophia]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Megan]

I also get, like, self conscious, like, pulling out my phone on a treadmill.

[Sophia]

Like, I feel like people are like,

[Megan]

what the are you doing?

[Sophia]

She, like, fell off the treadmill. Like, that's my fear.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Cut.

[Danny]

Oh, my God.

[Lara]

I used to feel so ugly and anxious at the gym because it's like, I'm not like a gym bro.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Lara]

So it's like I, like, I always feel like I'm being watched.

[Danny]

I need a trainer.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, I'm the same way.

[Megan]

I will.

[Sophia]

I will just sit there and walk around and touch the wipe and then that's it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I'm the same.

[Lara]

Do you have a good trainer?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, his name's Louis. He's amazing. You Guys would love him. He's really amazing. He's British.

[Yoonjae]

Wait, okay. He's amazing.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You guys would love him. Yeah, he's.

[Yoonjae]

Can you send him over?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, of course. Yes, he's that together. If I worked out with you guys, that would be the best day of my entire life.

[Lara]

We have a Cat's Eye ab workout.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

No, you don't.

[Yoonjae]

We should teach you.

[Sophia]

But you have to be singing Ariana at the same time. Yeah, yeah. We sing into you.

[Lara]

Oh, my God. I've heard.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I'm, like, literally gripping the pillowcase.

[Lara]

It was beautiful.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You haven't heard, have you heard?

[Megan]

No, actually, I haven't heard it yet. I've only heard, so it's.

[Yoonjae]

Score.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's unbelievable.

[Sophia]

Don't talk to me.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

She does, like, a little pre chorus hook and it's, like, so infectious.

[Lara]

Yes, it's beautiful. Also, her voice sounds so different, but it's like, the best way ever.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It sounds different.

[Lara]

I think it just sounds a bit more, like, deep and mature.

[Sophia]

I think it's also because she's getting off of, like, her placement in Glinda, which is so high and operatic that she's tapping back into the warmth and the grittiness.

[Lara]

Her voice sounds so warm.

[Sophia]

She has a range that goes beyond, like, our atmosphere.

[Lara]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Yoonjae]

Like, she.

[Lara]

She taught me how to sing.

[Sophia]

She taught us how to sing.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

Literally.

[Lara]

She's the best, I guess.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Always gag.

[Lara]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Do you have a favorite song to perform?

[Lara]

Oh, Mia, for sure. Because, like. Like, she said, like, I. I like. Because I'm not like, a dancer first. I love dancing and I love performing, but, like, I love movement more, I think, than, like, choreo. Like, I. I like being free. It's where I feel the most, like myself. It's also like, with any other song, like, there's no business to be, like, crawling and whipping your head and shaking out. But, like, am I like. You can like. It sounds like that and it's, like, fitting. So it's definitely my favorite.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It is kind of.

[Lara]

This is kind of.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Danny, what about you?

[Danny]

Yeah, Mia. But I will also shout out gnarly dance break just because I get a little moment where I do a handstand on someone's shoulders and they flip me over. And even though I'm, like, so gassed, it's just, like, so, like, cunty when I look back at the videos and I'm like, yes, you ate that.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

And I'm just like.

[Danny]

I don't know exactly. Like, that's what I've been. I've I'm like, first was a ballroom dancer, so that's, like, kind of like what I'm really good at. Just, like, Latin ballroom dancing. So whenever I get to do, like, hip movement and stuff, I'm always like, yes. Because that's what I grew up doing, and I love doing, so that's my favorite part.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah. I love that you guys all, like, are able to bring your, like, real love for, like, your ballroom dancing. Like, you're saying, like, everyone's, like, able to bring it into the group. I think that's what makes the group so special.

[Danny]

Yeah. We each have, like, our own little special thing that we.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I think that's one of my favorites.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

What's yours?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's my way.

[Lara]

I was gonna say that, too. I love you, really.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Performing in My Way, it is emotional. I think it's, like. And especially when you guys all do your riffs. I've seen the riffs.

[Yunche]

Oh, thanks.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

And, like, I just die for it every time. Every time I see a video of you guys performing my way, I always watch it.

[Lara]

Wait, can I say something about my way?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yes.

[Lara]

I feel like Coachella was. I mean, tour as well, but especially Coachella was, like, a place where we finally got to, like, in, like, have my way performed in the way that we envisioned it and, like, dreamed of it being. And that was, like. It was so fulfilling. Yeah.

[Danny]

So fulfilling.

[Megan]

Like, even being able to, like, do harmonies on each other's, like, parts, too, and, like, being able to, like, reconstruct the melody and, like, be able to, like, look at each other. Like, before, we would do them with, like, literal, like. What is it? The headset mics, and it didn't feel right.

[Sophia]

We were learning this before we even debuted.

[Danny]

Right.

[Sophia]

And I have footage of us stripping it down to a beautiful piano arrangement and giving each other harmonies. That was always our vision for that song. I also.

[Lara]

I also feel that way with Mean Girls that Don't even play with me.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

That song. When I heard that song. Okay, when I first heard. Heard that song, you guys were sitting on cars in a parking lot or something.

[Sophia]

You were performing Miami or something. It was that, right, like this.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You were, like, tailgating somewhere, and you were, like, sitting and. And you were doing. And you were dancing in Mean Girls. And I was like, what is this beat? I die for that song. And I love what you did on tour with the. The little. Yeah, yeah. God bless.

[Megan]

I hate that. I hate that.

[Yoonjae]

Like, I hate that.

[Megan]

It actually used to be something different, which was, like, even harder.

[Danny]

There was, like, A harder version.

[Sophia]

It was like, l. Oh, yeah.

[Yoonjae]

Yes.

[Sophia]

Sweet girls.

[Yoonjae]

You can still do it.

[Yunche]

I hated it.

[Danny]

I, like, forgot how to do it.

[Megan]

I'm like, I don't even know love. I'm dyslexic.

[Yoonjae]

As we were like. Because they kept being like, this is

[Lara]

like, for the queers.

[Yoonjae]

Like, let's do this for the queer. Like, as a queer. Like, as a queer, I would appreciate.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It was giving, like, cheese spank with the rainbow flags.

[Yoonjae]

We were spelling out, like, love is love.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right.

[Yoonjae]

Which is like.

[Lara]

It's like, come on.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right?

[Sophia]

It's okay. And we put it on TikTok. Like, hard version and easy version.

[Yoonjae]

Nobody. No one did the hard version.

[Danny]

Everyone just did the easy version.

[Megan]

We were trying to make it a trend and no one did it.

[Danny]

Did it. What the L with either of them.

[Lara]

I don't think anyone picked up with a thing. Like, this is for, like, gay.

[Sophia]

Gay love.

[Yoonjae]

I don't think anyone.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yes, they did.

[Yoonjae]

Yes, they did. They did.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

They absolutely did. They absolutely did. Tell me more. Justin Tranter, who wrote the track, came

[Megan]

out and said, well, yes, about the.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

He pitched the song to a lot of people and nobody would do it if the T girl song, if the T girl line was in it. But you guys did.

[Lara]

No, because we. We love the trans community and also we love our gays. Like, we also, like, our, like, whole career, our, I think, style, our music genre also who we work with is, like, inspired and built by the queer community and the trans community as well. So, like, it felt like a beautiful moment to like, shout that out in a song and really, like, show our love in a more impactful way rather than just, like, saying it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah. You know, and that song, I, at least for me, has so much depth because, like, I listen to it when I'm feeling, like, really insecure because, like, you know what I mean? Because it's like, yeah, of course. Like, oh, my God. Like, that song, like, does is everything. That's my. I think that's my favorite song of your guys.

[Danny]

Really?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah. I just. I think it's really, like, messy in a really, like, beautiful way where you're, like, beautifully. God bless everyone. Like, even the mean girls. Because even the mean girls are so insecure.

[Lara]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

And, like, you forgive them because insecurity sucks and you get it. Yeah, it's just like, everyone makes mistakes, everyone fucks up. And I just think it's like a really. I don't know. I think a lot of your music is really, like. It's really, like, indicative of like, your cohesiveness as, like, a group. Like, I think, like, that's why I like my way so much because, like, you are doing your this your way. You know what I mean? Like, you're. You're made by. Kept your. Your. The group is made by K pop methodologies. But you've done it your way. And I think that's, like, why I like, love songs like that that you guys perform.

[Lara]

I agree. Yeah.

[Sophia]

It's her story.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah. Well, okay. I've never asked this many people this at the same time, but what are you guys therapist about today?

[Danny]

Oh, my God, I'm. Yeah, I have so many today. So many things.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yes. Just today or whatever. Yeah. Like, what are you angry about me

[Sophia]

mad about right now? Like, what's annoying you right now? Okay, go.

[Danny]

I have stupid, silly things.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

That's the point.

[Danny]

I am therapists about drivers in la. People don't know how to drive. Like, this morning, like, I almost got in a car accident because some stupid guy, like, merged into my lane eyes as I was merging into the same lane. And thank God I saw the car, because if not, I would have gotten into an a car accident. I wouldn't have gotten here on time, or I didn't get here on time. Either way.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

But obsessed with the fact that the car accident would have taken you out, but it just would have kept you from getting here.

[Sophia]

She's like, oh, my God, I could have been late.

[Danny]

And also, like, my back. My back is in so much pain. I'm in so much pain.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Danny]

I'm in so much way. Why?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Because I don't know, I got a really bad knot in my back. And, like, it's like I'm like, creaking. Yeah.

[Megan]

Like, we're 20 now. Like, we got some issues.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

How old are all of you guys?

[Lara]

I'm 20.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You're 20?

[Danny]

21.

[Megan]

I'm 20.

[Yunche]

18.

[Yoonjae]

18.

[Sophia]

Oh, my God, I'm 16.

[Yoonjae]

No, she's 16.

[Megan]

She's our oldest.

[Sophia]

23.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Things will start creaking soon.

[Danny]

Oh, gosh. No, they're already creaking.

[Sophia]

They've been.

[Danny]

They're already cricking.

[Yoonjae]

How old are you?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

26.

[Yoonjae]

You're young. You're such a big. No, you're young.

[Sophia]

No, you're always the same age.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I. I feel younger than I am sometimes, but then sometimes I feel like 40.

[Lara]

You're almost pushing 30.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I know.

[Danny]

No, you're.

[Yoonjae]

No, no.

[Danny]

How do you say those feelings?

[Yoonjae]

Why is that a bad thing? Because people take it.

[Danny]

People take it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I lost and I never the city. Cuz it's just because I grew up in New York and I just find it so unrealistic. And I was like, I can't get behind this. You know what I mean?

[Lara]

Is not, it's not like New York is a lot more grimy.

[Yoonjae]

It's a lot more grimy.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

She's like, oh my God, my credit card backed out.

[Lara]

I'm like, yes.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

So you can't pay rent, right? Like, yeah.

[Yoonjae]

She's like, I can't get dinner.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah. I was like, what's going on? But she's 30 and she's thriving.

[Sophia]

30 and flirty. But when you say the term like pushing 30, it's.

[Yoonjae]

It's like.

[Lara]

But it's like you're pushing 30, like you're almost there. And. And I've. What I've.

[Danny]

I mean people take that like so

[Lara]

I'm like fetus, I'm a child. But what I've heard is that 30 is like, like in your 30s years of your life.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

That's what I've heard too. Cuz you're after your Saturn return.

[Christy]

Yes.

[Danny]

More an your Saturn.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Okay, so you're. Do you know, do you know about like your Saturn return and stuff?

[Danny]

I don't know what that is when you're 20.

[Sophia]

This place is sad and return.

[Danny]

You know what this,

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

it's what Ariana talks about. But I'm like approaching it. And I know I'm approaching it because my body is telling me I'm approaching.

[Danny]

Please let me know what happens. I'm like so invested in this.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You'll see what happens when you're 31.

[Danny]

Oh my God.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I'll literally crash out on live. What are you therapist about today?

[Lara]

Oh my God.

[Yoonjae]

Okay.

[Lara]

I'm therapist about many deep things. But I'm what I'm therapist, like what I'm therapist about. I drove past my ex on the street last night.

[Yoonjae]

Okay. Because

[Lara]

it's so annoying. I see my ex all the time. It's really annoying. We see each other all the time and it's honestly all love, like no bad vibes. But we just keep seeing each.

[Danny]

Wait, did you make eye contact on the street?

[Lara]

Well, I saw him but I don't think he saw me.

[Danny]

Were you at like a red light?

[Megan]

Like no, we were at a red

[Lara]

light, like random light.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Was he walking?

[Yoonjae]

He was driving. Our cars were next to each other

[Lara]

and I saw his window was down. He was like listening to music.

[Yoonjae]

He was like rapping in his car. And so I was like, oh my God. Like and I looked and I was like,

[Megan]

okay, well, I actually have two things I'm therapist about. One is at the AMAs. I had a fever and I had to get an iv. That still, like, looks like.

[Yoonjae]

Oh, my God.

[Megan]

Anyway, yeah, I had to, like, get this IV.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I get two IVs a week every single week.

[Danny]

Oh, wow.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

From my same girl, Beverly. She's amazing. And when I don't go to Beverly, my IV gets up.

[Danny]

Right.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's all about, like, it's. It's about the. It's about the nurse and if they can find the vein to make you comfortable. It's like literal therapy.

[Lara]

How do you feel about the iv, though? Because sometimes that makes me really tired.

[Megan]

It gives me acne.

[Sophia]

Low key.

[Lara]

Really.

[Megan]

I'm breaking out. Every time that I get an iv, I break out. I don't know what. Maybe I'm just not.

[Sophia]

Maybe it's.

[Megan]

I'm not used to vitamins. I never take vitamins.

[Yoonjae]

Or maybe that's something.

[Lara]

You're allergic.

[Sophia]

That's why you're getting sick.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It might be something you're allergic to.

[Megan]

I'm allergic to a lot of things.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

What are you allergic to?

[Megan]

Allergic to everything. I'm allergic to shellfish, cinnamon, grass, cats.

[Lara]

The cinnamon is one.

[Megan]

Cinnamon is a big one.

[Sophia]

Cinnamon's a big one.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I don't like cinnamon.

[Lara]

Well, good.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I don't like cinnamon.

[Yoonjae]

Good.

[Yunche]

I know.

[Lara]

Tell them.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I know. I don't. It's never been my thing, so you're not for me. You're not missing out. And I also don't really with cats.

[Yoonjae]

Going to fight you. Wait. Let's go, boo. One, two, three.

[Sophia]

Wait.

[Megan]

One more thing. I'm therapist about.

[Sophia]

I hate dating.

[Danny]

I hate.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

More than likely, I hate dating.

[Megan]

And I genuinely am just an awkward person in general. So I'm putting myself out.

[Yoonjae]

You're not. You're not that awkward.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I think you don't need to be

[Lara]

awkward to give yourself way more credit.

[Yoonjae]

Really?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yes.

[Yoonjae]

She always says that she is, but

[Lara]

I think you actually are way more, like, magnetic and really, like. Like. What's the word? Like. Charming.

[Yoonjae]

Charming.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You're very charming.

[Megan]

Thank you, guys. I feel like that doesn't come out when I'm dating. I'm like, oh, my God. I get so anxious that I'm like, oh, my God. This is, like, too much for me. It's too much for me. Oh, you know what I've been listening to recently? That, like, I feel so connected to the song the Cure by Olivia Rodrigo. Like, she ate with that. And I'm like, I Listen to that song like, maybe five times a day.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I was like, oh, I get it.

[Megan]

I relate to this a lot. I would, like, listen to it with my window down. Like, like, hair in my face. Like, I'm like. Like I feel this, like, in my

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

soul because it's hard.

[Yoonjae]

She's like, driving.

[Sophia]

The red strings are on, like, the

[Megan]

red strings coming from me. It's hard to date. I hate dating.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's hard to date also when you're like. I feel like for. When I'm like, dating, it's like I'm looking for dating to, like, bring me that security that I don't have.

[Yoonjae]

Yes.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

And it'll never be the cure.

[Megan]

I guess I have to, like, work on myself, whatever.

[Lara]

No, but I also think it's really hard in our situation to like, date as if we were our age, if that makes sense. And, like, play around, like, cook up with people and just like, figure out, like, our life is. We are our age, but our life feels like we are way older. And so it's like we need someone that has their figured out too and also is, like, all about us.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Lara]

They need to be like, I want you. And, like, I'm willing to take on all the things that you're going through as well.

[Megan]

Exactly. I'm not trying to play any games.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, games are miserable.

[Megan]

They're so miserable.

[Sophia]

You guys are also like 20. Like everyone else that's like 20. A lot of people who are your age are, like, still in college, like, just got into.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, especially college when I was your guys's age and I wasn't dating at all. I started dating when I was 22.

[Lara]

Really?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

That was when I went on my first date when I was 22 years old.

[Lara]

Really? Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

And it was miserable.

[Yoonjae]

It's miserable. Like, it's not fun.

[Lara]

I think it's especially the boys too. Like, girls are different, but I think boys are like, like, I'm like, figure

[Megan]

your shirt out slower. I'm not trying to, like, tell you.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's just. I can't date here. I've tried it so many times. It's very, very hard for me. I don't know what it is about it, but I think I like dating someone that maybe isn't in the industry.

[Lara]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I don't know.

[Yoonjae]

Why.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I don't know. That sounds so gross to say, but, like, it really, like.

[Sophia]

No, but everything. The thing is, when you live in la, a lot of people come here to sell themselves and make it. You know what I mean? And it's. It almost Feels transactional when you try to make connections with people, you know, and even if you're not trying to, oh, there's a squirrel outside, A girl, a squirrel.

[Yoonjae]

Oh, who is watching.

[Sophia]

Naturally have this instinct to connect with people through something that's like, I'm trying to sell myself to you also, because, like, you never know who you're speaking to in la. It's like you're trying to network, but then sometimes that bleeds into when you try to connect with somebody authentically and it's just like, naturally, like, everybody in LA just happens to be that. And it's so hard to find somebody that just wants to be your friend.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

But I. I think it's also like, it's like you can get so jaded by, like, all these incredible cool things that are happening. And I think in la, everyone kind of lets you be jaded when you're dating them because it's like, it's like, oh, this is just normal, but.

[Lara]

Whereas if I are that way, no, it's not healing.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah. But when. If you're in New York. If I'm in New York and I'm going on a date and they're like, oh, my God, what you're doing, that's so co. That you're doing that. That's so cool. It's like, I need that. I need someone to, like, remind myself

[Lara]

that, like, the New York are way more real.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Way more real.

[Lara]

It is true. I. I do think they're. I, like, I always felt like my relationships in New York were a lot messier, but they were a lot more real.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Lara]

And like, I, I think that they give less.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, they do.

[Lara]

And just like, in general. So the whole public thing of it all too, is. Is tough because, like, it's difficult because also with our situation, the dating, and, like, people knowing who we're dating has always been, like, really iffy. Because in K pop, that's like, not. I, at least, I think, like, the way we started it was something that we were like, we're never gonna do that and, like, never gonna show who we're dating. And that's just how it's gonna be. And then I think as time went on, things just got a little bit messy and things would leak and, like, people would somehow find out who we're

[Christy]

dating,

[Lara]

which wasn't, I think, like, by our choice. Yeah, that makes sense because, like, I don't know, once people start to put their opinions on a relationship, if you guys are not really locked the in, it puts pressure. It really puts A lot of pressure.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Are you guys. Do you guys try to stay offline in that case? But it's hard to stay offline.

[Danny]

Yeah, no, but it's really not.

[Megan]

You just delete it cuz it's on your phone.

[Danny]

Me and Laura, we deleted Tik Tok. We deleted Tik Tok. We only like go on Instagram reels, which have nothing to do with Cat's eye. I feel like for some reason Tik Tok, like the algorithm like immediately is Cat's Eye. So I'm like

[Sophia]

Danny's phone myself. And I.

[Danny]

She like put like the time every

[Sophia]

single thing that's possibly related to Cat's eye.

[Danny]

Yeah, that's why like all the words, like every.

[Sophia]

That's why her Instagram is.

[Yoonjae]

But you know what?

[Danny]

It did not work, girl.

[Sophia]

Like, I still see things.

[Yoonjae]

It's.

[Sophia]

You still see things because you get numb to it.

[Lara]

It's.

[Yoonjae]

It's because when you really.

[Sophia]

When you get numb to it, it's like when I see hate and all

[Lara]

that they still just post us without

[Sophia]

you see it and it's like it doesn't. It doesn't affect you anymore. Like, I feel like I remember.

[Lara]

I.

[Sophia]

Sorry.

[Danny]

Like you're numb to it.

[Sophia]

Yes, exactly. Like, I remember when we were first starting and we were getting all these things. Even for me personally, I'm the type of person, like, I really don't care. Like you could even say it to my face, I really don't care. But what was bothering me was the way that it like lingers because I could see all these good things, but when I see something, it's like. It's like. It's like a bug in your mind. And that's what was bothering me. I'm just like. I just don't want to like be even like remembering it or being affected by it. And I remember I. I remember texting like Yunjin from the Seraphim. I was like, how do you guys do this? You know, because they gave Brittan through the ringer and it's. She was just like, honestly, like, there's no way around it other than just like you kind of just grow numb to it. And so now when I see TikToks or comments like they're just gonna show up, but I just see them and I'm just like. It's just like nothing. To me. I realize that the Internet is just a space that people feel so comfortable to just speak.

[Lara]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

And I have no control over that. But I have control over what I decide to do with What I'm seeing, because I made a choice to look at a platform that people that is just gonna expose so many things to me.

[Lara]

We also made a choice to, like, put ourselves in the eye.

[Sophia]

Exactly. Like, we chose this life. And we just have to find the things that we can control. And we can control training ourselves to see certain things. We can control the visibility, like ourselves, like, putting ourselves in there. We can't control what's there.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right.

[Sophia]

Yeah, only. Only to a certain extent.

[Lara]

So it's just never gonna change.

[Sophia]

It's just building that tolerance. And so now I'm just plainly numb to it. And I don't. I don't give a fuck.

[Lara]

I. I also feel. I also feel kind of like. Like, I. I mean, it sucks, but I do feel weirdly grateful for it because I think it's taught me, like, so much grace for other people in life. Like, it's. It is tough. Like, I think a lot of amazing people are sometimes, like, really hated.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Lara]

Because, like, they have so much nuance. And they're like real people.

[Sophia]

Especially artists.

[Lara]

Especially artists. Creative people are like, real messy people. And, like, things have. They say things that need context. And, like, the Internet is anti that. It's so black and white.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

So black and white.

[Lara]

They don't know how to see nuance. They don't care anything. They don't care to look.

[Sophia]

Run with it.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah.

[Lara]

They don't care to look for the nuance because it's just like they're so excited to jump on a train to hate someone. So I think it's like, I. I used to. When I was young because we all kind of grew up in, like, cancel culture, so I think I.

[Danny]

Gross.

[Lara]

I think, like, when I was like, a young teen, I used to also think like that. And when I would see artists or like, say, like, they say something bad, I'd be like, yikes, like, canceled.

[Yoonjae]

But now I'm like. Now I'm like, no.

[Lara]

Like, people deserve grace.

[Danny]

Absolutely.

[Lara]

It obviously depends on the situation and what people have said and done. But it's like, I think in. In a lot of cases, like. Like, people deserve a chance to grow or to explain themselves.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right.

[Lara]

That makes sense. Like, nuance is just so important, and it's. It's taught me to be a lot kinder to people and make less judgment the way that I wouldn't want them to judge me off of, like, a. A clip taken out of context.

[Danny]

Exactly.

[Sophia]

Also, a lot of these people don't have original thoughts.

[Yunche]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

Like, they. They literally. It has. Somebody starts It.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

Somebody always starts it based on the tiny, tiny little information that they know, filtered literally on your screen on a little rectangle, Right? And then they'll see that. They'd be like, oh, my God. Yeah, this person's right. Let's get really loud. They could literally just be like. They could literally fill this room, but they could sound like a whole stadium.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

And that's why, like, that's why just to bring it back to, like, when. When we perform and all that stuff, when we have something going on and it's just so loud on the Internet. I would literally be on my phone and look like, wow, my phone is blowing up with people checking in on me. Like, it's so loud. I put my phone down. I'm in a restaurant. Nobody fucking knows who I in this room.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right?

[Sophia]

Yeah, nobody knows. And then I go to some place like Coachella, and we're in the Sahara tent, right? So there's this whole tent in front of us, and we just see this crowd of people, and I'm like, wow, this is a lot of people. And then I see the drone footage when I go online, and it's even bigger. People alone that came to Coachella to even just be there. They can't even see us or hear us all the way from the back. But they showed up, all of those people outnumbered. The amount of people that are actually making all this noise online.

[Lara]

Yes, truly.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's, like, puts things in perspective.

[Sophia]

Think that the Internet is the whole world, but it's not. Not Stan. Twitter could easily be, like, cat's eyes done. No, we're not.

[Lara]

Yeah, we're not, period.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Clip it.

[Megan]

Clip that.

[Sophia]

We're just girls doing our best to empower and to impact the world and fulfill our dream. We just want to sing.

[Yoonjae]

And then you're like, oh, my God.

[Megan]

Cat's eyes done.

[Sophia]

Like, I'm so mad at that face she just made. Like, close your eyes.

[Yoonjae]

Flops.

[Sophia]

Like, flops eye. Like,

[Lara]

literally.

[Yoonjae]

You don't even know Flops.

[Sophia]

I could literally go to your neighbor and ask them, do you know who I am? They're gonna be like, no.

[Lara]

Yeah, exactly.

[Sophia]

Like, you guys, come on. Like, the Internet is not everything. Like, go catch some butterflies.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah, go look at.

[Megan]

No, seriously, Sky.

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[Lara]

So,

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

and also, like, I feel like it's just people, like, dying for community and like, it's like loneliness epidemic.

[Sophia]

God bless them.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

God bless them.

[Yoonjae]

God bless the

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

insecure.

[Sophia]

Everything comes from something.

[Lara]

It's also taught me to have grace for those people as well.

[Sophia]

Exactly.

[Lara]

It's like they are clearly looking and searching for a community or like, some sense of like, relief from their own pain.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Lara]

So also I. I'm such an advocate of deleting Tick Tock if you can. I know that some people can.

[Yoonjae]

It's your job.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's like my job.

[Sophia]

I know.

[Lara]

I. I understand. We're so privileged in the way that, like, for. For Tick Tock, comfy, but for Tick Tock, like, we have like a team that will run the cat's Eye Tick Tock. And then we don't really post on our individuals so we can delete it. Really.

[Sophia]

Bless.

[Lara]

Because, like, it's also made what I create so much better. Like, it's just like my original idea and thought and it's like, has zero influence from what I heard. And I'm like, oh, my God, my song has to sound like this new trending song. Like, you know what I mean?

[Sophia]

It's just.

[Lara]

I'm not being influenced. Everything's just coming from my brain.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I was gonna say, I think that's why, like, being numb to it or not even looking at it, it. You're. You guys didn't get to where you are based on curating who you are on comments.

[Megan]

Exactly.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You know what I mean? You got to who you got to where you are. By being who you are, like, kind of without being perceived.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

So why change once you're being perceived? Because then you're. Then you're not who you are anymore.

[Sophia]

It's like when we release Gnarly, when we. We say this all the time, that when we first heard it, we were all so excited with what we could do with the song and just really, really show our. And how much we enjoy performing. And we just want to make these facials and we just want to show the power and all our. All the things we've been working towards. Like, that was like, what Gnarly was to us. Like, we could just be, like, doing something and people are gonna take it a weird. In a weird way. And we knew that. We knew that people were gonna take Gnarly in a certain way. But that's the thing about art. Like, you, it's yours and you feel a certain way about it, but then you give it to people and it's just like, whatever they do about it.

[Yunche]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

And when Gnarly came out that first few hours, like, they were like. Like, everyone was like, take it back, take it back.

[Lara]

Like,

[Yoonjae]

Summer, it's done.

[Sophia]

Clear. They're done. They've been like, you know what? We are done.

[Megan]

They hate it. Oh, my God.

[Sophia]

Like, we're not going to perform it, but we decided to perform it anyway. And they all switched up.

[Yoonjae]

They did

[Lara]

Grammy.

[Sophia]

Like, we. The 1 3AMA is like a VMA. Like, and watch. I just say that now and they're going to be mad at me again.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah, they are.

[Yunche]

They.

[Lara]

They are going to clip this.

[Sophia]

I. I can see.

[Yoonjae]

Going to do. See it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Yeah, I'm not going to see it.

[Yoonjae]

It. Yeah, that's. I won't see it. I won't see it.

[Sophia]

If I do, then I'll just laugh with you. Like, yeah, it's okay.

[Lara]

Yeah. Truly.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Well, Yunche, what are you therapist about today?

[Yoonjae]

Oh,

[Yunche]

I'm not therapist about anything today.

[Yoonjae]

Oh, period. Okay.

[Sophia]

And that's a luxury.

[Yoonjae]

Luxury.

[Yunche]

Not yet.

[Danny]

The day just started.

[Yunche]

But. But last night.

[Danny]

Oh.

[Yunche]

I think I've been, like, having weird things about food every time I get food that I

[Yoonjae]

love.

[Sophia]

The group chat.

[Yoonjae]

Yes.

[Yunche]

Like, every time I crave something, I order food and it will be like something's missing. Like main food will. Will missing. Or. Or like food comes with very not tasteful.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

Like, so bad.

[Yunche]

And that's why I've been like, oh,

[Sophia]

like I've been satisfied.

[Yunche]

Yeah.

[Megan]

I'm like, not satisfied.

[Yunche]

And last night I was like, wait, I should get army stew. That's like, Korean food. And I was like, wait.

[Lara]

Like, ah.

[Yunche]

That's like, I can't. That's not gonna, like, fail.

[Megan]

Like, you can't go wrong.

[Yoonjae]

You can't go wrong about it.

[Yunche]

Yeah. So I was like, okay, okay. I'm gonna. I'm gonna be so satisfied. And I ordered it, and the restaurant called me and saying, oh, hi. I think you're gonna have to cancel the order because someone stole your food.

[Yoonjae]

And I was like, of course I was

[Danny]

happy. And I was like, it's just another one.

[Sophia]

Like, that's another thing.

[Yoonjae]

Yes. She can't catch a break. So sad. Was like, oh.

[Yunche]

And it was too late.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's too late. This one. It's too late.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah. And it's too late. It was like, so did you eat?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Oh, then the restaurant closes, and then you're like, what do I do now?

[Yunche]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Did you eat something?

[Yunche]

I had.

[Lara]

I don't know what I had.

[Yoonjae]

You, like, had factor? Yeah, I have. Yeah. I order factor every week.

[Lara]

I always steal their factor.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Wait, so you guys were just all in Korea for a month?

[Lara]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Do you get to show them some of your favorite places that you, like, grew up going to?

[Megan]

Yeah, there was, like, this place that her parents took us to, and there was, like, literally five courses, like, and one of them. It was, like, a steak with bubbles on it. Yeah, it was crazy. It was, like, bubbles of soy sauce. So it was, like, bubbled up on steak, but then it would pop into soy sauce. It was so good.

[Sophia]

No, but she would also. Because you know how in Korea they have the ramen cups and then there's, like, cheese and sausage and all that. And then we would, like, make combinations and make it in our hotel room in a microwave wave. Like, we would take the bulldog ramens and just, like, add sausage.

[Yoonjae]

Cheese.

[Sophia]

Like. Oh, she's like, your stomach's probably going off, right?

[Megan]

Yeah, I can hear her stomach growling.

[Yunche]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Also, like, the shopping there.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Like, she introduced us to Hongdae. Like, I don't know what that was. It's just like the city where you just go shopping, right?

[Yunche]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny]

Yeah. There's a lot of cute stores.

[Megan]

What's up?

[Danny]

There's, like, a lot of, like, cute performances that people do, like, on the street as well. And it's a cute vibe, and it's, like, a very young vibe. There's a lot of.

[Christy]

It's very hilarious.

[Danny]

It's very hip and cool.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

What's your. What's your, like, favorite thing that you can't get in the states that you miss in Korea.

[Yunche]

Okay, first, I miss going to Han river and eat ramen and. And biking. That's what I really love to do in Korea. And also uk. What is it? Like, meat sashimi? It's like a. Yeah.

[Sophia]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Yunche]

Yeah, it's like that kind of. It's like, I. I've never seen that in states.

[Sophia]

So, like, it's like a meat tartare.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Yunche]

It's like. It's like different how you eat.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I know what you mean.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

So good. I had that in Korea.

[Yunche]

Yeah, I feel like a lot of Korean food, but there's a lot of Korean food here. Very good Korean.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Do you have a favorite spot you go to here? Yeah.

[Megan]

What about that place we went for your birthday?

[Lara]

Quarters.

[Sophia]

Quarters.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Quarters is fire.

[Megan]

Dude, so good.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Quarters is fire.

[Yoonjae]

Quarters. Quarters.

[Lara]

Be honest. Be honest.

[Yoonjae]

To be honest. Okay.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Speak your truth. Speak your truth.

[Megan]

Say it.

[Yunche]

No, I really liked it.

[Sophia]

No, there was a little.

[Danny]

That didn't sound authentic.

[Sophia]

Said. I also went to one with you and your mom. We went to.

[Yunche]

I. Sometimes I order it and I would eat.

[Lara]

Yeah, that place is really good.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Well, Sophia, what are you therapist about today?

[Sophia]

I feel like. I hate that I. I'm honestly having to talk about this so much recently, but I feel like it's like, almost becoming like, me making it a personality trait. But my ADHD has been so bad.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, I get it.

[Sophia]

And I'm really pissed about it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I completely.

[Sophia]

This morning I had therapy while I was getting ready, and I was just like, wow. It's like if I. If I could picture my ADHD in something physical, it would literally be like a roll of duct tape, like, firstly going over my mouth and then to the corners of my eyes and into my ears and just like, fogging up everything and, like, making it so difficult and into my hands and then duct taping me somewhere. But then also, like, out of nowhere, it just disappears and then duct tapes me again. And it's just like. It's so frustrating recently. I'm like, so pissed about it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Do you have any, like, methods that you use to, like, calm it down when it flares up?

[Sophia]

I've been trying really hard, but I think at this moment, for the past couple months, for almost a year now actually, it's, like, spiked so much. Like, even when I was in training, it was a problem. And like, I think growing up to it was so. It was undiagnosed. And it's very different from when you. Like when you're an adult and when You're a kid. And especially for women and for men, it's very different. And a lot of it comes from, like, my upbringing or, like, depending on what your environment is. It's really like. Like, it's really like that when you have something as, like, adhd. But recently it's been so disruptive that I am, like, somebody who doesn't ask for help, but I'm literally, like, asking medical help for.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Yunche]

Because it's so bad.

[Sophia]

It's so bad. I, like, can't sleep.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

Because I'm so internally.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

During the day.

[Sophia]

You're exhausted during the day I'm exhausted and like, I. I can't when I sleep too. It takes me so long to fall asleep because my brain never shuts off. And then I just end up, like, having, like, nightmares. And then I just wake up at night, and then it's so hard for me to fall back asleep. And then when I wake up, it's so hard for me to get up. And I also don't feel well. Rest. I've never. I haven't been well rested in months.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I completely relate.

[Danny]

That is. I was gonna say, like, for me, like, I. My ADHD spikes up when I'm tired. Like when I'm super exhausted. I wonder if that's what's. Why it's.

[Sophia]

I think that's a lot of it too.

[Danny]

Recently we've been, like, really working. We've been like, back to.

[Megan]

Back to back.

[Lara]

I definitely think I need to rest more. Like, I haven't quite been prioritizing my rest, but I. On my off days, like, I will do a session and, like, create something. Because sometimes I think, like, we. We perform so much and deliver so much, which is also, like, beautiful and it's so fun. But, like. Like, I have a need inside of me to, like, also just, like, express. And like, recently I used to only really love, like, production and making beats, but, like, recently I've really fell in love with writing. And, like, I've been writing poems and, like, journaling and I think I'm feeling really deeply recently. So it's so strange. Like, everything around me inspires me and speaks to me in a different way. Like.

[Yoonjae]

Like the trees.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

No, but. Yeah, but writing thoughts down. I've also been, like, kind of writing, like, in my journal more. Not songs, but just writing in my journal more. And I feel like when you put thought to paper, it kind of helps you figure out what you're feeling.

[Lara]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

More than just, like, saying it out loud.

[Lara]

Would.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I was writing down stuff the other day, and I was like, oh, that's why I feel that way.

[Lara]

It makes you like, it's kind of like, better than just for me, like, better than therapy because I'm like. Like I'm processing this in my own head and I'm like, having a conversation with myself, but through words on paper. And like, so much, like, beautiful art for me recently has come out of that. And like, on my off days, like, I'll just dedicate the entire day, anytime we have to doing that because it's like, it's like rest in a form for me. It's like, like. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's like, it's like a relief. Even though I'm like, working. It's like, not work. Like, that's like, creating is like, my favorite. Just, like, music. I care about it so much that it's like. It's this form of release. And it really rejuvenates me to be able to come in to work the next day and, like, do our job.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, it's like. I mean, you could, like. It's like you're like, letting go of all that baggage you've carried throughout the week into.

[Lara]

Into, like, music or into. Yeah, into art or, like, into poems too.

[Yoonjae]

Like, it's just like, I used to

[Lara]

hate that so much. And I used to be like, I'm not a songwriter and I still, like. It's hard for me to see myself as a songwriter, but, like, I used to be like, I only care about how music sounds and, like, what it's like, what the production is and how. What the melody is. But now I'm like, no, lyrics are so important. Like, what you're saying is so important.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Lara]

And like. And like, that's like, the beauty of music. It's like you're telling a story through sound. And like, now I've just fallen in love with, like, writing. And so it's beautiful.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Well, it's amazing. What are your guys's off days?

[Danny]

I'm a homebody. I just stay at home and sleep and just like, I just. My soul needs to be, like, rejuvenated, you know? So for that I just, like, stay at home also, like, I just moved, so my home is like my, like, safe space. And I just, like, decorated it and so it's really cute. And I just. I don't know, I like spending time, like, on my little couch or on my balcony. I watch tv. I just try to, like, just like, do nothing because we're always doing something right. And also, like, I'll call like, sorry, are you okay?

[Yoonjae]

Did you throw open your mouth a little bit? She, like, gurgled or something.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I do that all the time on this show, and I always get scared that someone hears.

[Danny]

Oh, we heard it.

[Yoonjae]

It was quiet. I thought nobody heard.

[Danny]

No, because it was so quiet.

[Sophia]

Holding a microphone, like, they're gonna hear that later.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah. Oh, my God. No. Cute. Okay.

[Danny]

Anyways, so I'm a homebody, but we were talking about this, like, the other day. It's hard to make friends in la. I want to make friends. Like, I want to go out and I want to just, like, hang out with people because I feel like that's good also for my soul. But I don't. I just. I don't have friends, and so it's tough. Literally, like, a couple days ago, I reached out to, like, a couple people because I need to do it for myself.

[Yoonjae]

But you did it.

[Danny]

I did it.

[Yoonjae]

I did do it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Thank you, guys.

[Danny]

We encouraged her.

[Yoonjae]

We encouraged her because we were like.

[Lara]

Because you have to, like.

[Danny]

Yeah, you have to put yourself out there. You have to be the one to,

[Yunche]

like, I should do that.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's hard, though, because you also, like,

[Danny]

expect, like, you're like. But I want them to reach out to me. Like, I want people to be able to, like, want to hang out with me. You know what I mean? So it's hard.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You should also give yourself grace, though. Like, you guys didn't go have those college years where, like, you were, like, in college. Like, essentially actually trained me how to make friends. Like, I was like, okay, you're like, put in a dorm with all these people. You are not gonna get along with half of them, but you're gonna be friends with half of them. And it's like, a very confusing thing. So you have to give yourself grace in knowing that, like, you didn't have that. And so you're still figuring it out.

[Danny]

Well, I kind of did, sort of with them.

[Megan]

Our college was, like,

[Danny]

we lived with. With, like, 20 girls.

[Megan]

Yeah. Some of us went through high school during training, too.

[Lara]

Yes.

[Megan]

How, like, we would come in at, like, 8 in the morning and do,

[Danny]

like, three hours of school.

[Yunche]

Oh, my gosh.

[Danny]

That was crazy.

[Sophia]

With Colleen, I. I was in college, then I dropped out for this.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Oh, where were you in college?

[Sophia]

In the Philippines. It was online, though. It was, like, still pandemic, like. And I don't. I was just with my best friend.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

I finished high school, though, so, like, I had that whole, like, social experience, and I had a lot of things also. Outside of school. School, like, I had a lot of, like, different communities. So, like, the social aspect of it, like, my friends now, I don't. I don't really have any, like, new friends here really, that are, like, core. I've always been very tight, so I've. My friends at home are like, still the people that I constantly talk to. And I'm. I'm like, okay with that. Like, I'm the type of person. Like, I'm not like, oh. Like, I don't have friends. Like, I need to, like, go. It's just like, the type of person I am because I'm super homebody, but also very extroverted. Yeah.

[Danny]

Like, I'm in between.

[Sophia]

Yeah, there's an in between.

[Danny]

Like, there's days where, like, I don't care. Like, I don't need friends. Like, I have my people and I have my people back at home, and that's all I need. But then there's some days where I'll, like, kind of get FOMO and I'll see, like, like the other girls go out or I'll just see people online go out and, like, they have, like, their group of friends and I'm like. I'm like, damn. Like, that kind of looks fun. And also, like, it's more fun to go with the group of people versus, like, just one or two. So I wish I had, like, a group of. Of friends that aren't in cat's eye.

[Sophia]

Love you guys to death.

[Yoonjae]

But it's important, no offense, because, like, we're literally sisters. Sisters.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

So, yeah, the rest is a part of our job. Like, we are not. We don't just sing on stage. Like, you see, what we do on stage and recovery and actual, like, sleep and rest is a part of our job.

[Lara]

We have to do physical therapy.

[Megan]

We need to sleep.

[Sophia]

Like, I have to go get my driver's license. I don't have time to get my driver driver's license. Like, I gotta go.

[Danny]

That was a big one. You don't drive.

[Sophia]

Me too.

[Yoonjae]

Are you doing it?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, I can't drive. I grew up in New York, so I'm like. Then I got here, then all my friends started driving me.

[Danny]

And then I was like, oh, you're like, okay, okay.

[Lara]

Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, it's fine.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's safer for the roads. Talk about. Talk about people that are bad at driving.

[Danny]

Let me just say, the only time I've been in an accident was in Uber. And I'm so. Me too.

[Sophia]

Really?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, I got. I got T boned.

[Yoonjae]

No way.

[Danny]

Did you, like, spin?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

No, wait. It was just like. It happened, like, all of a sudden. It was like my body jolted and then it stopped for a second and then jolted harder.

[Sophia]

Wait, did you get anything? Like, are you, like.

[Danny]

Were you.

[Megan]

Are you okay?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

No, I was. I had whiplash on my.

[Yoonjae]

Oh, my God. I had whiplash for, like, half a year.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It was so bad.

[Danny]

Oh, my God.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

And we was.

[Sophia]

Maybe that's why you're, like, getting.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It was a scam because we were across the street from a hospital, and then right on the site, there was a creepy lawyer being like, were you just in an Uber accident? Let me talk to your dad. And my dad was like, I think it's a scam. Like, just go home. Is that crazy?

[Sophia]

They just risked your life?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yes.

[Megan]

That's actually insane.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Risk it all first.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It was in LA. It was in LA in, like, 20.

[Yoonjae]

Wait, that's, like, diabolical.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, it was crazy.

[Yoonjae]

That's crazy.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It was crazy. And now every time I drive and I see a car coming this way and I'm going doing this, why? I, like, I tense up.

[Yoonjae]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny]

Ptsd.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Yoonjae]

Can you imagine your mom.

[Megan]

My mom would freak. My mom is in, like. Yeah, she would.

[Sophia]

Your mom would, like, would, like, flip the world.

[Megan]

Yeah, that's what I call her. But in a great way.

[Lara]

Oh, yes, In a good way.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Is she kind of like the group's mom? Like, who do? Or like.

[Yunche]

Yeah,

[Megan]

I think all of our moms are very, like, group mom.

[Sophia]

They have their own group chat. They're their own cat size, really. But they. It's a very. It's highly active.

[Yoonjae]

It is.

[Megan]

I think it's honestly more active than our group, too.

[Lara]

We always say that we think Auntie Sylvia, her mom, would be the leader. Like, like, if. If they had their own girl group, her mom would be the leader.

[Sophia]

Our moms would be troublemakers.

[Lara]

Our moms would be the troublemakers. Our moms are really good friends. What happened was same with Auntie Sylvia.

[Sophia]

We went to the Philippines. Okay. And that's where I'm from.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Huh.

[Sophia]

And my mom and her mom.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah, they get drunk.

[Sophia]

Get drunk. Her mom doesn't drink.

[Megan]

My mom doesn't drink.

[Sophia]

Get drunk.

[Yoonjae]

I can't believe it.

[Megan]

Told me.

[Sophia]

She, like, told me what they did. They were like, saying, like, her and Auntie Kavita were like, oh.

[Yoonjae]

Like, they were, like, drinking.

[Sophia]

And then they were like, no, no, no. You just have to hold it for the photo, Sylvia.

[Christy]

Just. Just.

[Sophia]

Just, like, hold it for the photo. And they're like, wait, now you're holding it. You got to take a sip.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

That's how it starts at our show.

[Sophia]

And there's, like, videos. They arrived at our show before we even came out.

[Yoonjae]

And then all the. And our moms were like, I've never

[Megan]

seen, like, that, like, the biggest smile on her face.

[Sophia]

She was like, they were gone.

[Yoonjae]

They were like, the icons were, like,

[Lara]

chanting their names, and they were, like, famous.

[Yoonjae]

They were, like, basking in them.

[Megan]

Also, my mom's the biggest BTS fan,

[Danny]

maybe more than us.

[Megan]

And I got a text from her

[Yoonjae]

last night being like, I got on the jumbotron.

[Megan]

She got on the Jumbotron with, like, she makes signs, like, for every show that she goes to, even including bts. And she got on the Jumbotron last night for bts and she got a

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

video and she was like, oh, that's so cute.

[Yoonjae]

I was like, now we have to

[Megan]

put her on the Jumbotron.

[Sophia]

Your mom trying to, like, hold her up.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Wait, what happens?

[Yoonjae]

Okay.

[Lara]

Because her parents came to the AMAs and BTs was there, and Auntie Sylvia was, like, so, like, weak in the knees.

[Yoonjae]

She was crying. She had to take off her heels. My mom said she had to take off her heels, and she became weak in the knees by seeing those men. And so, like, my mom and her friend had to, like, hold her away. No, Cuz my friend came and he

[Sophia]

was like, we had to hold her. Your mom was crying on him.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Oh, so your mom is like, the biggest BTS fan?

[Yoonjae]

I'll find out.

[Danny]

She is.

[Sophia]

She was in Vegas for BTS and Cats. I just had happened to be there.

[Megan]

Yeah, all three of the Vegas shows for bts.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Who's her bias?

[Megan]

Suga.

[Yoonjae]

Oh, really?

[Sophia]

But we just happened. She was like, oh, wait, Megan's gonna be there too.

[Megan]

Like.

[Yoonjae]

Like, she didn't care about the acceptance speech or anything.

[Megan]

She was just happy to see bts. And then we went backstage for the BTS show to meet them, and she was like, can I come?

[Yoonjae]

She's like, you finally made me proud.

[Megan]

She's like, finally you met bts.

[Sophia]

This was it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You guys are about to release a new EP called Wild, and then you're gonna go on a global arena tour.

[Yoonjae]

Yes.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Tell me about all of it.

[Danny]

It's our first ever arena tour ever.

[Megan]

Actually sold out.

[Danny]

It's our second tour. It's sold out today. They added, I think, new dates, right? And then it's sold out. Like, everything is sold out. We're going to Europe. We're doing North America. And we're going to new places that we've never, ever gone to before, and it's really, really exciting. I love going on tour. And we're gone for a while.

[Lara]

We're going on a bus.

[Sophia]

We're going on a tour.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Oh, you guys are gonna have the best time.

[Lara]

We're being split into two buses.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Yes.

[Sophia]

Yes.

[Christy]

We.

[Danny]

Okay. We experienced the tour bus a little bit, actually. It was Coachella day, and we were in Palm Springs, so we took, like, a tour bus to go to Coachella. It was, like, 45 minutes, but so cute because, like, we got to, like, sleep in the little, like, bed,

[Yoonjae]

and we kept kikiing.

[Lara]

Like, we would, like, open the curtain and, like, laugh and.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And we're, like, climbing. Like, it was crazy.

[Megan]

We were climbing. And, like, we would be upside down.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Somersaults.

[Megan]

Like, monkey bars.

[Lara]

I can't wait to, like, decorate the bus.

[Yoonjae]

I know.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

And, like, you'll get close with the driver and, like, it'll be so awesome, you guys.

[Megan]

Me and Lara were thinking, like, we're gonna make, like, a little studio in the back.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Oh, how awesome would that be?

[Megan]

And, like, our little off time, we would, like, make music.

[Lara]

So me, Megan, we. We do our sessions. We've had some hits and some.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Wait, you know. You know. You know my favorite.

[Yunche]

Oh, yeah.

[Lara]

Sing it. Cat's eye. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danny]

That one's good.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

What is exciting to you guys most about this new era?

[Danny]

Oh, okay.

[Yoonjae]

I.

[Sophia]

There.

[Lara]

There's many things. There's, like. There's this one song that I like. Me and Sophia specifically, really like the song. It's really catchy.

[Sophia]

It's like, I love it so much.

[Lara]

I love it, like, also, also, I finally listened to the version with our voices yesterday, and it's, like, sounds so good. Like, honestly, I think it's one of the first times, like, you can really, really hear each of our tones, like, natural colors of our voice. And, like, it was nice because I have, like, a cat's eye voice that I. I'll put on, like, for, like, the pop vibe. But I think in this song, it wasn't really that, like, you could hear my natural color. And I feel the same way with

[Danny]

all the girls, for sure.

[Lara]

So I'm really excited about that one. I know the icons are gonna love that one.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

When this comes out, will the track list be out?

[Sophia]

So we can't. We can't say, like, what. How many. What the names are. But we did very recently finally get, like, the masters of the songs on this ep. And it's all I've been listening to. To same. And the thing is, I know that it eats when I'm listening to, like, like, constantly wanting to listen to it as if it's not even our song.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right. Yeah.

[Sophia]

I feel like a lot of artists sometimes don't really listen to their own music. Especially. I feel like for us, a lot of our songs, we have to rehearse them for hours and hours because of the choreography that comes with it. And so, like, you kind of just get sick of it a little bit. But then, like, some songs, we don't perform as often, so we want to listen to it. But the thing is, all the songs, like, I'm wanting to listen to it. Just like, I was in the shower listening to our own music, like, so excited for it to come out.

[Lara]

Especially that.

[Sophia]

Especially that one song I had on loop.

[Yoonjae]

I was, like, going to like that. To perform that song.

[Lara]

Like, that song, you know that.

[Megan]

I know.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah, I am.

[Lara]

It's that one song. It is. So I just.

[Sophia]

I just, like, love it.

[Lara]

I think it's, like, the best T song.

[Megan]

Same.

[Danny]

What?

[Lara]

What are you talking about?

[Sophia]

It's so good, that song.

[Lara]

So good.

[Sophia]

I literally texted. I was like, you guys, like, I love this song. Like, it's so, like, I really like it.

[Lara]

It's like, it feels like pop girl realness.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Oh, I'm ready.

[Lara]

Like, it feels like girl group. Like, what you want to hear from cats?

[Sophia]

I was in the shower, like, pretending I was actually already performing, and I was thinking of, like, okay, which dancer is going to come to me and, like, do this part with me?

[Megan]

I was like, I know.

[Lara]

It's like, it's sexy.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

How do you guys, like, formulate your chemistry as, like, when you're performing?

[Sophia]

Oh, so, hey, and gr.

[Lara]

I also like the label and in general.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Lara]

What I learned is that also a lot of it, I. I don't think I realized it, but a lot of it is, like, strategic, I think, as well for them. Like, like, they were explaining to us, like, who starts the song, who finishes that, who does the pre chorus. Like, it's all very, like, strategically distributed between us.

[Danny]

Yeah. It's not, like, random.

[Lara]

Yeah, it's not random, but. But I do think, like, say they're like, okay, Laura, you're going to sing the brie chorus. But then I try it, and it's like, sophia sounds better, and I sound better somewhere else. Like, they will switch it, have flexibility with that.

[Megan]

But I think for, like, performances, like, it really depends if it's like, A dance. If, like, we're dancing or if we're not. Like, if we're dancing, they usually come up with the choreo beforehand, and then we, like, learn it and then. But if it's not like mia, we incorporate a lot of our own ideas. Like, especially, like, for Coachella, we were really, really a part of that process, being, like, I want to do this. This, like. Or, like, when we started on the buildings, like, Danny, me, like, Lara, like, we were, like, all coming up with those ideas. Like, Lara's idea was to come out of the window.

[Lara]

Yeah.

[Megan]

So, yeah, I think we get, like, a lot of. A lot more freedom with our songs that we don't really have to do choreo with.

[Danny]

And it switches up, too. It switches?

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny]

Like, for mi Especially, like, since it's so free. Like, for Coachella, like, I did that part on top of the building. But for gov ball, like, it's gonna be a little bit different.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Are you guys excited for gov ball?

[Megan]

Yeah, I'm so excited.

[Danny]

New York?

[Yoonjae]

Yeah, New York. New York.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I used to go to gov fall in high school all the time. Yes, I used to go all the time. It's so fun. Wait, is it next weekend?

[Lara]

Yeah, it's next weekend.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I'm gone.

[Danny]

Where are you.

[Yoonjae]

Where are you going?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

France.

[Lara]

To France?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

The Grand Prix.

[Megan]

For what?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

The Grand Prix? Like, the Grand Prix, like the race car?

[Yoonjae]

Oh, yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It's like, the F1 stuff. Yeah.

[Danny]

That's so fun, right?

[Lara]

Sports cars.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Well, I'm just going because I want to go to France.

[Lara]

Yeah, I would love to go to the grand Prix.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right?

[Sophia]

That's, like.

[Yoonjae]

That sounds.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

But I'm. I'm very jealous of the performance. Promise it up. I'll be messing.

[Lara]

Wait, are you gonna serve, like, looks like. Are you getting styled and stuff?

[Yoonjae]

I'm not gonna get styled.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Lately, I've been, like, trying to, like. Actually, I was gonna ask you guys about your own styles as well, because you guys. Do you guys have colors?

[Yoonjae]

Oh, my God.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

So I want to hear about the colors

[Sophia]

outside.

[Danny]

Like, this was during SIS era.

[Sophia]

This was, like, when we debuted. Yeah. But we also had, like, a personal color color, and it was all pastel. And so they announced they, like, they assigned it on their own, the company to us.

[Lara]

And they also.

[Yoonjae]

And they were like, this is your favorite color.

[Danny]

Right.

[Yoonjae]

Like, we know

[Sophia]

in our album cover for the sis, like, we're all standing in. Our personal color is like, I'm in purple. Like, she's in pink, and, like, she's in, like, orange.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Loves the pink.

[Sophia]

I like the pink colors. Yeah, I do too.

[Danny]

I love.

[Sophia]

Blue is gorgeous.

[Lara]

It's just that coral and I hate my color.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, you two hate your colors.

[Yoonjae]

I hate it.

[Megan]

And it's also like, I. I hate the color orange. Like, I really try to fight to have it right.

[Lara]

I actually love orange.

[Megan]

No, I don't like orange.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I said orange was the color of the summer a while ago, and it did not come to fruition because of now, because I tried to. I wore an all orange outfit one day and everyone was like, oh, I

[Lara]

used to hate orange. And then I figured out, like, no,

[Danny]

I'm actually like, it also depends what tone of orange.

[Megan]

Like, peach, cream orange. And it was just not giving it,

[Sophia]

washed it, like, mashed your skin color.

[Megan]

And at the time, I had orange hair. So it's just like, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange.

[Lara]

It's so annoying because now when you look up on Google, like, what is Lara from Kat's favorite color? It's like green.

[Yoonjae]

And I'm like, no, it's not green.

[Lara]

It's not. We have this strange lore about this place called Nowhere Land, which we don't.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah, we should talk about it because.

[Lara]

Because we.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Tell me about. Tell me about it.

[Yunche]

Okay.

[Megan]

I have to tell you because you are here.

[Yoonjae]

Tell us.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Tell us.

[Sophia]

I'm in New Orleand.

[Yunche]

I. I actually saw one fan posted Tik Tok video, and that's how I know.

[Sophia]

Oh, wow.

[Megan]

They deciphered it for us.

[Yoonjae]

Well, that's not true.

[Danny]

That's less true than you.

[Megan]

You have to explain Touch. Like, what happened.

[Sophia]

That's where it started. Touch is where started.

[Yunche]

Yeah, Touch was when we started it. I'm the missing person.

[Danny]

And that's that.

[Sophia]

That's that.

[Yoonjae]

That's it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

What do you mean? You're the missing person?

[Lara]

She's like a missing person, and she's gone to Nowhere Land.

[Megan]

Literally the whole.

[Lara]

We're, like, in the real world, but then there's a new development.

[Megan]

Yeah, there's a new development.

[Lara]

Do you want to take.

[Yunche]

There's.

[Sophia]

We're.

[Yunche]

That's.

[Megan]

We're doppelganger.

[Sophia]

It kind of feels like the real.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Like, you guys.

[Lara]

So the real Cat's eye is like, not us. Like. Like the real ca has been like the other mother.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Yoonjae]

And they've been banished and stuck in nowhere.

[Sophia]

See, me, if you watch the Touch music video back in the beginning, I'm crawling through this AC unit and I fall out and I end up in Nowhere Land. And it's just this whole world that we're in. But then you see there's this paper. It's like on the news that Yooncha's missing. So it's kind of like the real world is like, wait, Yooncha's gone? But they don't realize yet that we're all also gone.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

So you're missing in Nowhere Land.

[Yunche]

Yes.

[Sophia]

Because I jump out of this painting. Okay. And it's like it slashes. But then Yunsha is like isn't.

[Yunche]

Oh yeah.

[Megan]

Wait, I thought it was the opposite. I thought no, everything wasn't slashed except Yunche because she already fell through into the Nowhereland.

[Sophia]

No, no, no. I think it was. Whatever it is, it's one of two. There's a difference. You'll see it. And then in gnarly music video to be kind of continue the story where we were all based in nowherland. Cuz instead of the Hollywood sign, it says Nowhere Land.

[Yoonjae]

Oh yeah.

[Sophia]

So we have this like lore going on that like if you are so deeply into our content, like you would notice it's like for the icons that are really icon. It's.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I love this.

[Yoonjae]

How fun.

[Sophia]

A fun additional thing for our fans to like dive into, you know?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Okay, should we do the tell me what's wrongs?

[Sophia]

Yes.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

This is where people write in yes. And we give them advice.

[Danny]

Yes.

[Yoonjae]

I love.

[Lara]

I love advice.

[Danny]

I'm not going to lie. I literally watched one of your episodes last night before I went to bed.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Which one?

[Danny]

I watched the one with Maddie Ziegler.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Oh, she's the best.

[Sophia]

She's the best.

[Danny]

She's one of the people that I just texted by the way.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Really?

[Danny]

Yeah, to hang.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

She by the way, is the best hang. I was in New York, I got dinner with her meet just me and her and it was like literally could have sat there for hours.

[Sophia]

Oh my God.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

She's you under her wing and like really like good person. Yes. Kenzie.

[Danny]

The best. Kenzie. Yeah. So so cute.

[Yoonjae]

Thank you.

[Danny]

Last time I saw her, I was like 12 last time I saw her. So I don't know what it's gonna

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

be like, but it'll be great. She's the best.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah. They both.

[Lara]

They both seem so genuine.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Oh yes.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Lara. This one might be. Oh, get that for you. I'm so scared to run into my ex out and about in la. Did you write this?

[Yoonjae]

You sent this? Wait, what?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Okay.

[Sophia]

Okay.

[Yoonjae]

That's crazy. Help. Help.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I'm so scared to run into my ex out and about in la. That's like kept me from going out on so many Nights. I don't like that she has the power over me, but I'm hurting and if I saw her, it'd be life rights. Out. My friends are always inviting me out, but it's to all the places she might be going. Help.

[Lara]

Okay, okay. Unfortunately, I see one of my exes almost every time I go out. Like, it just happens. It just happens. I think I saw my ex girlfriend, like, from high school, like, last week. Like, it's just like, if I'm like, getting coffee, your ex is there. It's gonna feel like you're being haunted.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Lara]

But I think you just gotta get through it. It, like you just have to accept that you will. And like, it can always just be like a, hey, like, how you doing?

[Megan]

You can't live your life in fear.

[Lara]

You can't live your life in fear. Like, they exist too. And honestly, something that helped me is like, they probably feel the exact same way. Like, they're probably also scared and like, they're feeling the same awkwardness. So it's like at the end of the day, it's like, whatever, we're both humans. We're existing. We can coexist.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Ripping off a band aid, it's just

[Lara]

ripping off a band. And I think, yeah, after the first couple times you see them, you realize it's really not as like. Like the feelings don't really all come rushing back to you as much as you think they would.

[Yoonjae]

But it's.

[Christy]

Sorry, it.

[Lara]

It's tough though, because if you don't have enough time to heal before you see that person. I feel like I'm giving such bad advice because I think this is great advice. But it's like when you don't have enough time to heal and then you see the person, like, while you're still healing. That's really hard.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Lara]

I think, like, during my period especially. Oh, my God, my first heartbreak and like with my first love, my ex moved to New York. And it's actually crazy because, like, I moved from New York and went to school and we met there and then he went. Moved to New York. After we broke up and went to the school, I went to York, New York.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right.

[Lara]

So he, like, became friends with all my friends.

[Yoonjae]

That's.

[Lara]

So I was like. Like grew up with, like before I moved to la, you know what I mean? And so it was. That was really difficult. But he, like, moved away. So after we broke up and I was dealing with my heartbreak, like, we didn't see each other. And like, that was really helpful. Do you know what I Mean like if we were like still going to school and seeing each other, it would have been off. So I think like that space is really nice, but once you actually see them, it's like it's not really that deep.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, it's not that deep.

[Lara]

It's not that deep. Like it's fine. You'll. You'll get through it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

My boyfriend got a haircut without telling me and it's a buzz cut.

[Yoonjae]

Oh my God. It's a lot. It's a lot.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Buzz cut.

[Danny]

Okay. That's the worst.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It definitely doesn't look good on him. And I loved his hair. It was, was, it was his punishment for his fantasy league. Whatever.

[Yoonjae]

Oh, I hate that.

[Danny]

It's like they bet they will.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

They bet on like sports. They're like, they pretend to be that. I think they like that's. I'm like very. Yes, very boy. So I'm like gonna do a job at explaining this. But like boys have like fantasy leagues. So like they'll like, what is it?

[Christy]

I don't know.

[Lara]

It's like when people talk about fantasy football.

[Sophia]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

He lost in fantas messy football, so he had to shave his head.

[Danny]

Yeah, like, okay, but like you do

[Sophia]

crazy things also if they don't let you know that they're gonna change their hair. Like it's like because your hair, hair on guys is like makeup. And it's just like the. You say like an external factor to have you change your hair when like you like it anyway. And then like they like, like it's like she'd probably be like, I'm the one who has a look at you, you know what I mean? I like your hair. Why would you like change it like that? Like you know how much it means to me or something like that.

[Megan]

The real question is, do you love him unconditionally?

[Sophia]

Yes, that too.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

She says I'm on the edge of break. She says I'm on the edge of breaking up with him because not only do I dislike how it looks, but he made a decision without my permission.

[Yoonjae]

No. Okay.

[Sophia]

Together you gotta get it together. Cuz like that's his. He can do. He doesn't need your permission to cut his hair. But I understand. Like he didn't tell you.

[Danny]

I don't think you need to break up with him.

[Sophia]

Like I know people cry when they're like their significant other like shaves their beard or something cuz they look. Just because it's different, it doesn't mean like you hate it. It's just different.

[Danny]

But different.

[Sophia]

Breaking up with somebody doesn't.

[Lara]

Like, imagine you wanted to dye your hair blue and your boyfriend is like, no, that's ugly. You can't do that.

[Yoonjae]

Just ask, why you. I mean, dyeing hair.

[Megan]

Like, babe, maybe you guys should break up and you should work on yourself.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Maybe that's the advice.

[Sophia]

Let's, like, let's.

[Lara]

I actually think that you'd look really hot with the buzz cut.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Okay, you know what?

[Yoonjae]

And bleach it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Thank you so much. Because I've wanted to buzz my hair

[Yoonjae]

for the longest time.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

And I've wanted to get an earring.

[Yoonjae]

I wanted to, but Louise told me

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

was bad for the brand.

[Yoonjae]

What? No. What do you mean?

[Megan]

Is it like midlife crisis?

[Sophia]

Just take it out when you really

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

think I'd look good with a buzz?

[Lara]

I really mean that. I would not randomly say, would you bleach it?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, bleach your hair.

[Yoonjae]

It would get.

[Megan]

Buzz it and get a piercing.

[Danny]

Like, just go crazy.

[Yoonjae]

Just do it like, it's summer. If you hate it.

[Lara]

If you hate it, you can take

[Danny]

the piercing out and you can dye your hair back.

[Lara]

You can dye that stuff.

[Sophia]

Like, you can revert.

[Danny]

It's not the end of the world.

[Yoonjae]

I'm gonna buzz my hair. Yeah, I'm gonna buzz my hair. I want to do it for you.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Wait, you can?

[Yoonjae]

Can I?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Yoonjae]

Wait, wait. Can I bleach it for you?

[Megan]

Yes. Okay.

[Yoonjae]

Wait period. I don't know if I trust us

[Lara]

with that group project.

[Yoonjae]

You're like, a big group project.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It'll be a big group project.

[Danny]

Yes.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Oh. Huh. I'm buzzing my hair.

[Yoonjae]

Wait, can I get a bow? Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

My partner won't dance with me when we go out ever.

[Sophia]

Okay, fuck it. Fuck it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It.

[Danny]

No, actually continue, because.

[Lara]

Yeah, no.

[Danny]

Okay, just continue.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Like, I really want. Like, I really want them to, but they just say, I don't dance. I don't dance. I'm a very free spirit, so this sucks. But we match in every other way. I want them to share the experience with me and get out of the comfort zone. Do I just need to let it lie or keep trying?

[Danny]

No. Okay. I think that, first of all, it depends how long they've been together, because maybe it's still new and maybe it's not. They're not as comfortable with each other yet.

[Yoonjae]

Yet.

[Danny]

But, I mean, I think just give it time and eventually, like, they'll open up and, like, if they really love you, they'll do something for you no matter what. Like, just give it time. But I don't Think I would. I wouldn't give up. I would just. Just wait and get.

[Lara]

Like, you have to express. Like, this is something that I really need.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Like, why don't you dance?

[Christy]

Okay.

[Yoonjae]

Actually, it's a cute one.

[Danny]

Maybe they are insecure for doing that,

[Lara]

you know?

[Sophia]

But don't force. I just, like, don't feel. I don't like forcing.

[Yoonjae]

There's always a reason.

[Megan]

There's always a reason to do something

[Danny]

and maybe ask, like, hey, like, why won't you dance with me?

[Lara]

Just dance.

[Yoonjae]

Just dance. Just dance.

[Sophia]

Oh, is there a bug?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

The bug telling me, do not buzz your head. That's what the bugs is telling me.

[Yoonjae]

That's. No, don't listen.

[Megan]

Something very similar happened to me. I was watching this, like, set with, like, some guy that I was seeing, and then I was, like, trying to, like,

[Lara]

oh, okay.

[Yoonjae]

I was like, he wouldn't dance.

[Megan]

And he was just kind of standing there and I was, like, bouncing on it. And I was like. I was like, do you want to dance? Like, do you want to dance? And he was like, I don't dance.

[Yoonjae]

I was like, what's your favorite dance move? Maybe like this?

[Megan]

And he was like, no.

[Danny]

Maybe they're, like, trying to, like, Aura Farm or something.

[Sophia]

No, see, don't want to, like.

[Danny]

Like, just be comfortable and, like, let loose. Like, they just want to mew and

[Megan]

just be like, I have a crazy story.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Tell me.

[Danny]

Oh.

[Sophia]

Oh, well, okay.

[Danny]

Just say it. Just say it. Really?

[Lara]

One of my exes, Basically, I went to Benny Blanco's party with Adela. This is our first time, like, going to, like, a big, like, we were

[Yunche]

like, oh, my God.

[Lara]

This is like a famous people party. Like, we're like, really on our best behavior. We're like, oh, my God. Like, we have to, like, be so cool and, like, impress all these people. And I bring my ex, and she's, like, meeting this new guy who is now her boyfriend.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Shut up.

[Lara]

And, yeah, who is now her boyfriend. But I bring my ex, and we're just, like, partying, whatever. He's, like, not really, like, talking to anyone.

[Yoonjae]

I'm just, like, trying to kiki.

[Lara]

And he's like, kind of just. But, like, for his own reasons, like, honestly still, like, love him. Like, he's fine. Yeah, yeah, no, she's shade. But then we go outside and I think, just, like, out of insecurity, like, I don't know what this was, but I like, me and Omar Apollo started, like, talking, and I love Omar. Like, I had never met him. Like, I love him. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, I'm such a fan. Like, I love you. You're so sexy. Like, you're the hottest man alive. But he's gay.

[Yoonjae]

You know what I mean?

[Lara]

Like, I say in front of my ex, and, like, I'm like, obviously. Like, why would I tell a man like, you're the hottest man alive when you're there unless he's gay. Like, do you know what I mean? And so then my boyfriend hears that, and he's, like, fuming.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Lara]

He's like. Like, don't do that. And then we start talking. My ex is saying nothing. And then Omar Apollo, like, starts dancing. Like, he's, like, popping and locking.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

He's a good dancer, too.

[Lara]

Yeah, he's a good dancer, but he was being funny. He was, like, doing the wave, and he was like, lara, I'm gonna pass it to you. I'm gonna pass it to you. And then I start waving, and then it gets to my ex boy, and

[Yoonjae]

he practically, like, he starts taking a

[Lara]

little bit too seriously, and he, like, challenges Omar Apollo to a dance battle,

[Yoonjae]

basically, like, at Benny Blanco's birthday party. And I'm, like, mortified.

[Lara]

I remember Adela and her boyfriend were, like, looking over,

[Yoonjae]

and I see Phineas in the corner, like, eating a taco.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

And I'm like.

[Yoonjae]

I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I'm like, like, baby, like, get up. Like, what are you doing? And he's like. He, like, gets on the floor and

[Yunche]

he's, like, fully, like.

[Yoonjae]

He's like. He's like, step upping Omar Apollo.

[Lara]

And I wanted to kill myself.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Tall man.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah, he is a tall man. And me and you got down on the ground. I remember, like, me and Omar Apollo stood there. We were like, yes. Like, get it? Like, okay.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

And how soon after did you break up?

[Lara]

The next day. Yeah, I actually. I genuinely. Like, the day after I went. Me and Adela went to Chateau Marmont and got lunch. And I was like, sis. Like, this happened. And she was like. I saw.

[Yoonjae]

Like, she was like, yeah. Like, I think everybody saw that happen.

[Lara]

And I was like, yeah. And she was like, you must break up with him.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Lara]

Like, this is. This is just not someone that aligns with you.

[Yoonjae]

With you for many reasons.

[Lara]

And then I was like, all right, it's done. We broke up that day.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Apollo break dance gate.

[Lara]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Break dance is actually, like, the most craziest story I've ever heard.

[Lara]

It's like, genuinely.

[Sophia]

Rehearsal the next day told us about it, and I was like, nothing happened. There's no way that happened.

[Yoonjae]

It happened.

[Megan]

And she was like, sophia, I swear, it happened.

[Sophia]

I was like, that's a dream.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I feel like I called you my worst nightmare.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah. It was my.

[Lara]

I was mortified and I was like, baby, like, stand.

[Danny]

So, like, secondhand embarrassment.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

So maybe better if your partner doesn't dance.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah.

[Megan]

You just let them know.

[Yunche]

But at the end of the day.

[Lara]

The day, no shade.

[Sophia]

We love you.

[Lara]

Love all love and true blessings.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

It makes for a funny story.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah.

[Lara]

Thank you for a wonderful story. This is my favorite story to tell. Yeah. So thanks.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I get so much anxiety before I post anything on Instagram.

[Danny]

Me too.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Really?

[Danny]

Well, not so much anxiety, but.

[Yoonjae]

But, like, I get it.

[Danny]

Like, I understand why. I do understand why.

[Megan]

Just wanted to relate.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Dumps stories, anything, literally. Do you get anxiety as well, actually?

[Danny]

Like. Like posting on social media. Like, it's a lot. It's a lot like anything. It's like, okay, like, are people going to like this? Like, do I look good? Like, like, you know, there's a lot of.

[Megan]

There's something like a cancel.

[Danny]

Like, there's like, am I going to get expectations? There's like, expectations. I'm like, I'm going to get to this many likes.

[Lara]

And it's just a gag enough. Or is it just like a scroll?

[Danny]

Like, is this gonna do good? Is this gonna do bad? So anyways, keep going.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Anything literally sends me into a spiral.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Yunche]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I'm so in my head about what other people are gonna think because text doesn't carry the same inflection. And I really want. Who wrote this inflection? And I really want to get over this help. Is it really that serious?

[Danny]

It's not that serious, but to you it is and why you're anxious about it.

[Megan]

Okay. You know what I actually been doing recently? I've been taking Instagram so casually.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

That's my motto.

[Megan]

I love just posting whatever the I want. Whether it's like, I would literally post about, like, the sky. Like, I have been posting, like, just random and not thinking about anything. And then I just don't check my comments. I, like, literally post it and then I get off the app and I'm like, okay, I'm done. Because I like, I like posting. I love posting.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Me too. It's my favorite thing. Well, it's that instant serotonin.

[Sophia]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

That you get, like, it's like that instant gratification of like.

[Yoonjae]

Sure.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Like, like, like, like, you know what?

[Megan]

Like, I think I have so many thoughts in my mind that I just need an outlet and I put them On, I just do it, like, either on my private account or, like, on, like, my main. But, like, I just don't think anything's that fudgeing deep or anything that's serious. Like, I just posted because I think I like it and I want to be funny, so I post it. I don't think anything's that deep. Especially, like, when it's on your page. Like, I'm not going to let you guys fudge ruin something on my phone.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Well, the basis of, like, social media back in its, like, early, early 2010s, like, was the fact that it was, like, this unfilter.

[Yoonjae]

Exactly.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Stream of, like, this, like, virtual world. So once it becomes curated, then it's not what social media's initial intent was.

[Megan]

Exactly.

[Sophia]

We're already so curated.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah. Everything's so curated.

[Lara]

So it's cool to just be you.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Exactly. Be you.

[Lara]

Yeah.

[Yoonjae]

You don't need to look.

[Danny]

Yeah, don't look. Just post it and get off. And also, if it makes you feel better, like, other people feel the same exact way. Including me, so.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Including me.

[Lara]

Yeah, including me.

[Danny]

Including Cat's eye.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah. I've been really annoyed lately when people tell me I'm really nice. Growing up, I always thought it was a compliment and I wanted to be known that way. But recently, as I navigate the back half of my 20s, I'm realizing I just might be coming across as a pushover and I have no backbone.

[Megan]

I understand.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I will always be a good friend and person to the people I love, but I don't want to be a doormat. What's your advice? To change my narrative.

[Christy]

Oh, my God.

[Lara]

I understand. Because I used to be.

[Sophia]

Be.

[Lara]

Yeah, I used to really hate that. And I think that I was a little bit too nice. Isn't that true? Like, I was a little bit too nice. And, like, it's not. That's not really quite in my nature. Like, I'm very much like, this is what it is. And, like, I'm gonna tell you how it is. But then I think post Cat's eye and post, like, people having opinions on us. I feel like I was like, okay, I have to be, like, really extra nice. And, like, I can't say what I think anymore because it will get taken the wrong way, and I don't want that. And, like, I hated being seen as, like, too nice because I was like, are people seeing this as my weakness? Like, people are gonna see this, like, and take advantage of that, but that is honestly not. It's just not true. Like, kindness and being nice to people Is like. It's a superpower. It's like the most beautiful, beautiful thing, I think as long as you. You're, like, aware and, like, as long as you, like, just don't be a pushover.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right. It's like kindness with boundaries.

[Lara]

Yeah, kindness with boundaries. Like, that's also part of being kind. It's like you have to also be kind to yourself.

[Megan]

Exactly.

[Lara]

Like, being really nice is like, also taking care and being nice to yourself and knowing, like, when something is going too far. So I actually think it's, like, one of the most, or if not the most beautiful compliment, because it's like, being nice. It's like you make people feel. Feel welcomed. You're approachable. Like, you have a nice aura. That means that you love yourself and, like, you respect yourself. Like, there is nothing more beautiful than, like, being.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Being nice and being a pushover is two different things.

[Lara]

Yeah, they're completely different.

[Sophia]

They're very different. And that's.

[Lara]

Kindness is everything when you.

[Sophia]

You have to be able to kind of have that selflessness and that boundary and that. And that respect for yourself, yourself so that you can continue to be kind. And you don't need to stop being kind because that's just what you need to. You can just be. But because people will recognize that respect you have for yourself, the boundaries can come naturally. Like, people be like, okay, I'm not gonna mess with them. They're not gonna with you. And that's just something you have to work on, like, how you see yourself. Because it's like, when you have confidence in yourself and you respect yourself, like, that rubs off on people. Like, people recognize that right away.

[Christy]

Yeah.

[Yunche]

And it just.

[Sophia]

Then people will automatically kind of know how to approach you. And so it's more of, like, an internal thing you have to work on. But don't ever stop being kind. Don't ever stop being nice.

[Lara]

Now I. I don't really feel like I come across. I mean, some people are crazy, but, like, I don't really come across situations where I feel like people are, like, taking advantage of my kindness.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Lara]

Because I feel like I. Like there. Like, there will always be, like, a thing of, like. Like, okay, like, not too much right now, but, like, I'll always be really kind and, like, spread love because it's just, like, take so much energy to. To hold that back and to, like, stop being nice so that people, like, fear you. And, like, like, that's just be nice.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

How do you guys, like, lift each other up when somebody isn't feeling, like, confident in the group or somebody isn't feeling, like, great that day. Like, what do you. How do you guys all lift up each other up?

[Lara]

Well, we begin with the hug.

[Sophia]

Yeah, the hug.

[Lara]

And we have a lot of physical.

[Sophia]

We know each other so well.

[Lara]

That. And we.

[Sophia]

We know each other so well, and we know that we know each other. So we feel. We naturally feel like what we say matters to one another. Because it's like, it's really only the people that truly know you, what they can say about your situation or what they can say to comfort you. Like, they just. You can trust it because they recognize your situation and all that. And so we're very big on just reminding each other because that's. I think that's the root of a lot of it. It's when we don't feel confident, when we're feeling down in general, it's because we're forgetting certain things. And our role is to constantly remind this person. And the switch of perspective, like, that's the first thing we do. Because that's the key to, like, everything. It's. It really is perspective. That's what changes the game for everybody and how they live life. It's just perfect perspective. Life is perspective. And we're always. If we're in situation, for example, suddenly I'm not confident about my outfit and I feel like it's not me. But then I remember, like, we're always in these situations. And I was like, yeah, recently, like, Lara was like, if you don't mind me saying, I just felt that way. She felt that way recently in a situation where she felt like her outfit just wasn't her, but she looked beautiful. She was like, I know I look beautiful, but it's just not me. And I was like, lara, you yourself are already so much of you. Like, you care. You're one of the people that, like, give yourself so much. And no matter what is put on you, you do you. It's not ugly. It's just. It doesn't feel like you. But then you. Everybody is saying you look amazing. Like, you're the type of person. You're such a beautiful artist that is so firmly themselves. Like, things like that. Like, that's how we talk to each other. We're constantly, like, teaching.

[Lara]

It really made me feel better. Like. Like, we also. I think that's the beauty of being in a group as young girls going through this and, like, navigating attention and fame and like, this industry in general. Like, I always have so much respect for the solo pop girls and just the Solo artists in general. Because I'm like, especially when you're new and figuring this out, it can really fudge with your head and like, it can really, really make you, like, your whole perspective on who you are on life. Like, you can so easily fall into a place of, like, losing reality and losing yourself.

[Yunche]

Yeah.

[Lara]

And we just had a dinner. May I talk about our dinner?

[Danny]

Our dinner?

[Yoonjae]

No.

[Lara]

Well, let's get into the dinner because.

[Yoonjae]

Because we had.

[Lara]

We had our first, like, hang out or dinner together that we've had in a really long time. It was like the first time that we were like, okay, like, outside of work, let's just go and like, sit and speak. And it just ended up with all of us, like, sobbing at the nice guy.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah, the nice guy. Like, crying at the nice guy.

[Sophia]

There was like, frank Ocean too.

[Megan]

And it just made me cry even more.

[Lara]

But. But I think it was so beautiful because, like, just speaking for myself, I like, take your guys's advice and like, every perspective you share about, share to me, like, about my feelings and my situation. Like, I take it so seriously.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Lara]

And I like, really take it to heart because, like, I trust you guys and I, like, trust that you're not just gonna, like, say something to say it.

[Sophia]

Like, that's how we are with.

[Yoonjae]

And there's.

[Lara]

There' so, like, this beautiful sense of, like, true support. Like, I think we really. I really believe and know that, like, we want each other to win. And so it's just like a really safe space and it could easily not be.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Lara]

Do you know what I mean? Like, I've heard about so many groups and, like, situations where they didn't feel that way. And it's like a copy. Constant competition. But with us, it's like, never been like that. I think it's always been like, I want the best for you and I want the best for me. If you win, I win. And, like, vice versa. And so I just, like, take what you guys say so deeply and I really internalize it. And like, it always helps. It always helps. Like, we, we just. I think we're the best people to give advice to each other because we, we understand each other's lives, like, better than anyone else would.

[Megan]

Yeah, I agree.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I went to a concert with two of my friends, and before the concert started, one of them said she was just gonna go say hi to another one of her friends that was also there, said she would be right back. We didn't see her again for the rest of the night.

[Yoonjae]

She only.

[Megan]

Yeah, I actually have a take on this.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah, tell me.

[Megan]

Okay. So I actually used to be that girl. And I. I can. And I can. I can be aware of it. Like, I would go to a party with a bunch of friends. I used to go to a party with a bunch of friends, and then I would disappear and never seen.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I've also done that.

[Megan]

And, like, I would leave the party with different people. And then it only. It took, like, a couple. A few times. I did that for, like, my friends to, like, confront me and be like, hey, like, I hate. Like, I hate when you do this. Like, I don't want to go out and party with you, and I don't want to do this with you if you're just going to leave. And honestly, that really helped me. Like, you just talk to them. Just because I wasn't aware. I didn't think that was. It was that deep until, like, someone told me their feelings about it.

[Yunche]

Oh, you didn't know?

[Megan]

I didn't know because I would go to these parties and be like, oh, my God, like, all my friends are here.

[Yoonjae]

I.

[Yunche]

Like, it's fine.

[Megan]

Like, we're having a blast. Like, I'm gonna uber home with these people.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Right. But to some other people, it's deeper.

[Megan]

It's so deep. So I'm like, okay. Like, I didn't realize that. I think I was just, like, unaware. So then once they said that I was like, okay. And I actually have been working on it.

[Yoonjae]

Good.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I'm the same way. I know a lot of people the same way. Yeah. I used to be the same way. I used to leave. And then you're like, one time I did it, I texted my friend, oh, my God, I can't believe I just left without you. I'm so sorry.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Yunche]

I would be so upset.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I know.

[Sophia]

It's like, make you so.

[Lara]

Yes, that would make you upset.

[Sophia]

Like, call them.

[Yunche]

And, like, I'm like, hey, like, don't do that anymore.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Are you good at. Are you good at, like, telling someone when they've upset you?

[Danny]

Like, are you confrontational?

[Sophia]

Yeah, you actually are.

[Danny]

Yeah. Pretty good.

[Sophia]

I always say this every time somebody asks, like, what do people not really know about you? Or, like, all that stuff. Like, she's a lot more mature than people. People, I think. No, like, she is the youngest of the group, but she is so, like, emotionally intelligent. She's so mature, especially with, like, going through this. Like, she literally joined this when she was, like, 15. Like, she started, like, so, like, she, like, went to a country. She doesn't know how to speak English. Like, fully. Like, she was just learning English and she was alone. Her family's not here from Korea. With a different culture, especially in la. Like, come on.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Sophia]

And with our schedule with a bunch of girls who are also from different countries. So she's not only dealing with American culture, she's dealing with all our culture cultures. Like, can you imagine?

[Megan]

So, like.

[Sophia]

But she's, like, so mature. So, like, she does, like, come up to us sometimes. She sees a situation and then we react differently. She reacts the way that, like, the adults do. Like, she's like. She's grown.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Okay. She's gross. What did we learn today?

[Lara]

So many things.

[Megan]

We learned a lot about.

[Sophia]

What did you learn about.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You know, what I learned is that you guys are real. You're real sisters.

[Lara]

Yeah.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You're a real friend. And I am leaving this feeling, like, so empowered and feeling, like,

[Yoonjae]

good.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Is that what. Okay. I'm so glad. And I. I was so anxious to talk to, like, five people at once, but you guys, like, make every space you're in so comfortable, so welcoming, so warm.

[Lara]

You made me feel so safe.

[Sophia]

You made me feel safe. Buzz your hair.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

I am a. Buzz my hair.

[Lara]

You have to let me do it.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Like, if I buzz my hair, it's.

[Megan]

Can I bleach it, please?

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

You're buzz. You're buzzing.

[Sophia]

You're bleaching. Just kidding.

[Yoonjae]

Yeah. UJ does the piercing. Oh, my God.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Can you do piercings? You can do piercings.

[Megan]

No. We can learn.

[Sophia]

We can figure it out.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

Cat's eye. I love you. I love you.

[Lara]

Jake, Shane,

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

thank you for coming on the show.

[Yoonjae]

Thank us.

[Host (Therapists Podcast)]

And the new single Animal is out now, now, now, now.