Therapuss with Jake Shane: Session 72 Featuring Lizzo

Release Date: May 15, 2025

Introduction

In Episode 72 of THERAPUSS with Jake Shane, host Jake Shane engages in a candid and introspective conversation with the acclaimed musician Lizzo. The session delves deep into Lizzo's experiences navigating fame, the evolving landscape of media, personal growth, and the creative process behind her new album, Love in Real Life.

1. Evolving Media Landscape and Podcasting

Lizzo opens the discussion by highlighting the significant shift from traditional media to podcasts in the music industry.

• Lizzo [01:37]: "When I first came out, it was like 2019, 2020. Podcasts were not, like, right popping and like the thing. So I never did any podcast."

Jake acknowledges this transformation, noting how the press cycle has become more demanding and relentless compared to the past.

• Jake Shane [01:58]: "That is so interesting. So the press cycle has completely changed for you guys."

Lizzo describes the exhausting nature of traditional media engagements and contrasts it with the more personal and varied interactions through podcasts.

• Lizzo [02:28]: "Sitting on a bed in a hotel room... I'd wake up at 6am... done at like midnight talking to people."

2. The Power of Manifestation and Self-Love in Music

The conversation shifts to Lizzo's belief in manifestation and its influence on her music.

• Lizzo [08:30]: "It's just the little things. You just never know what can change your life."

She elaborates on how writing songs like "Soulmate" served as a form of self-therapy, helping her visualize and eventually embody the person she aspired to be.

• Lizzo [07:55]: "I was crying in the studio when I was crying, and I wrote that song because it was who I wanted to be."

Jake connects this philosophy to his work, emphasizing the importance of saying "yes" to opportunities.

• Jake Shane [05:14]: "A year of yes."

3. Navigating Fame and Personal Relationships

Lizzo shares her journey from a successful independent artist to mainstream fame, discussing the challenges and changes it brought to her personal life and relationships.

• Lizzo [17:29]: "I've been playing shows since I was, like, 19. I've been playing shows for, like, half of my life."

She reflects on the overwhelming nature of fame and how it transformed casual interactions into transactional encounters.

• Lizzo [21:29]: "It's a transaction. Like, I noticed the first time I really noticed that somebody, like, asked me for a photo..."

Lizzo emphasizes the importance of maintaining authenticity and the difficulty of connecting with people when everyone knows who you are.

• Lizzo [21:41]: "People know who you are for the most part. And so it just becomes kind of like a transaction."

4. The Impact of Social Media and Handling Backlash

The duo delves into the pervasive influence of social media, discussing its role in shaping public perception and the personal toll of online backlash.

• Lizzo [12:18]: "It's terrifying."

She recounts experiences with negative comments and the anxiety they provoke, leading her to distance herself from reading online feedback.

• Lizzo [13:08]: "I was like, wait, what, bitch?"

Jake relates by sharing his own struggles with anxiety stemming from online interactions.

• Jake Shane [27:19]: "I have a lot of anxiety... I can't help but read comments."

Lizzo advises focusing on self-worth and understanding that online opinions are often detached from reality.

• Lizzo [29:01]: "You can't really control it... People are going to say what they want to say about you."

5. Insights into Lizzo's New Album: Love in Real Life

Lizzo provides an in-depth look into her upcoming album, Love in Real Life, revealing how her personal experiences and growth have shaped its creation.

• Lizzo [31:50]: "Music is my therapist."

She discusses the album's themes, which chronicle her journey from COVID-19 lockdowns to embracing joy and self-acceptance.

• Lizzo [33:35]: "It's a diary of, like, October 2023 to, like, November 2024 of just, like, almost chronologically of, like, what you go through."

Jake connects the album's message to the broader concept of attracting positivity through genuine happiness.

• Jake Shane [81:00]: "The key is take it offline... Are we gonna meet for a date?"

6. Exploring Relationships and Dating in the Modern Age

The conversation takes a personal turn as Jake seeks advice on navigating romantic relationships, specifically dealing with mixed signals from a friend.

• Jake Shane [72:35]: "Did you not. Can I not speak today? Do you want to get into the Tell me what's wrongs?"

Lizzo responds by encouraging self-respect, setting boundaries, and choosing battles wisely.

• Lizzo [73:08]: "You're a master manipulator. Get a boyfriend immediately."

They discuss the pitfalls of hookup culture and the importance of self-betterment in attracting meaningful relationships.

• Lizzo [80:28]: "I mean, and I was like, I want to meet somebody on self-destruction boulevard. I want to meet somebody on self-destruction boulevard."

7. Concluding Reflections and Personal Growth

As the session wraps up, Lizzo reflects on her personal growth and the therapeutic nature of the conversation, expressing gratitude towards Jake.

• Lizzo [95:27]: "I am still growing and I'm still learning... This was a puzzle piece clicked in my brain."

Jake echoes her sentiments, highlighting the transformative impact of the session.

• Jake Shane [95:56]: "That felt amazing for me, too."

Both express excitement about Lizzo's future projects and the forthcoming album release.

• Lizzo [97:01]: "Breaking news. My album, Love in Real Life is not out yet, but it will."
• Jake Shane [97:11]: "Okay, you want to give a little..."

Notable Quotes

• Jake Shane [01:58]: "The press cycle has completely changed for you guys."

• Lizzo [07:55]: "I wrote that song because it was who I wanted to be."

• Lizzo [12:18]: "It's terrifying."

• Lizzo [29:01]: "You can't really control it... People are going to say what they want to say about you."

• Lizzo [31:50]: "Music is my therapist."

• Lizzo [95:27]: "I am still growing and I'm still learning... This was a puzzle piece clicked in my brain."

Conclusion

Session 72 of THERAPUSS with Jake Shane offers an intimate glimpse into Lizzo's journey through fame, personal development, and creative expression. The honest dialogue underscores the complexities of maintaining authenticity in the public eye and the therapeutic power of music and self-reflection. As Lizzo prepares to release Love in Real Life, listeners gain valuable insights into the artist's evolving narrative and the universal quest for self-love and genuine connection.