Session 72: Lizzo

Summary

Therapuss with Jake Shane: Session 72 Featuring Lizzo

Release Date: May 15, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 72 of THERAPUSS with Jake Shane, host Jake Shane engages in a candid and introspective conversation with the acclaimed musician Lizzo. The session delves deep into Lizzo's experiences navigating fame, the evolving landscape of media, personal growth, and the creative process behind her new album, Love in Real Life.

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1. Evolving Media Landscape and Podcasting

Lizzo opens the discussion by highlighting the significant shift from traditional media to podcasts in the music industry.

• Lizzo [01:37]: "When I first came out, it was like 2019, 2020. Podcasts were not, like, right popping and like the thing. So I never did any podcast."

Jake acknowledges this transformation, noting how the press cycle has become more demanding and relentless compared to the past.

• Jake Shane [01:58]: "That is so interesting. So the press cycle has completely changed for you guys."

Lizzo describes the exhausting nature of traditional media engagements and contrasts it with the more personal and varied interactions through podcasts.

• Lizzo [02:28]: "Sitting on a bed in a hotel room... I'd wake up at 6am... done at like midnight talking to people."

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2. The Power of Manifestation and Self-Love in Music

The conversation shifts to Lizzo's belief in manifestation and its influence on her music.

• Lizzo [08:30]: "It's just the little things. You just never know what can change your life."

She elaborates on how writing songs like "Soulmate" served as a form of self-therapy, helping her visualize and eventually embody the person she aspired to be.

• Lizzo [07:55]: "I was crying in the studio when I was crying, and I wrote that song because it was who I wanted to be."

Jake connects this philosophy to his work, emphasizing the importance of saying "yes" to opportunities.

• Jake Shane [05:14]: "A year of yes."

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3. Navigating Fame and Personal Relationships

Lizzo shares her journey from a successful independent artist to mainstream fame, discussing the challenges and changes it brought to her personal life and relationships.

• Lizzo [17:29]: "I've been playing shows since I was, like, 19. I've been playing shows for, like, half of my life."

She reflects on the overwhelming nature of fame and how it transformed casual interactions into transactional encounters.

• Lizzo [21:29]: "It's a transaction. Like, I noticed the first time I really noticed that somebody, like, asked me for a photo..."

Lizzo emphasizes the importance of maintaining authenticity and the difficulty of connecting with people when everyone knows who you are.

• Lizzo [21:41]: "People know who you are for the most part. And so it just becomes kind of like a transaction."

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4. The Impact of Social Media and Handling Backlash

The duo delves into the pervasive influence of social media, discussing its role in shaping public perception and the personal toll of online backlash.

• Lizzo [12:18]: "It's terrifying."

She recounts experiences with negative comments and the anxiety they provoke, leading her to distance herself from reading online feedback.

• Lizzo [13:08]: "I was like, wait, what, bitch?"

Jake relates by sharing his own struggles with anxiety stemming from online interactions.

• Jake Shane [27:19]: "I have a lot of anxiety... I can't help but read comments."

Lizzo advises focusing on self-worth and understanding that online opinions are often detached from reality.

• Lizzo [29:01]: "You can't really control it... People are going to say what they want to say about you."

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5. Insights into Lizzo's New Album: Love in Real Life

Lizzo provides an in-depth look into her upcoming album, Love in Real Life, revealing how her personal experiences and growth have shaped its creation.

• Lizzo [31:50]: "Music is my therapist."

She discusses the album's themes, which chronicle her journey from COVID-19 lockdowns to embracing joy and self-acceptance.

• Lizzo [33:35]: "It's a diary of, like, October 2023 to, like, November 2024 of just, like, almost chronologically of, like, what you go through."

Jake connects the album's message to the broader concept of attracting positivity through genuine happiness.

• Jake Shane [81:00]: "The key is take it offline... Are we gonna meet for a date?"

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6. Exploring Relationships and Dating in the Modern Age

The conversation takes a personal turn as Jake seeks advice on navigating romantic relationships, specifically dealing with mixed signals from a friend.

• Jake Shane [72:35]: "Did you not. Can I not speak today? Do you want to get into the Tell me what's wrongs?"

Lizzo responds by encouraging self-respect, setting boundaries, and choosing battles wisely.

• Lizzo [73:08]: "You're a master manipulator. Get a boyfriend immediately."

They discuss the pitfalls of hookup culture and the importance of self-betterment in attracting meaningful relationships.

• Lizzo [80:28]: "I mean, and I was like, I want to meet somebody on self-destruction boulevard. I want to meet somebody on self-destruction boulevard."

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7. Concluding Reflections and Personal Growth

As the session wraps up, Lizzo reflects on her personal growth and the therapeutic nature of the conversation, expressing gratitude towards Jake.

• Lizzo [95:27]: "I am still growing and I'm still learning... This was a puzzle piece clicked in my brain."

Jake echoes her sentiments, highlighting the transformative impact of the session.

• Jake Shane [95:56]: "That felt amazing for me, too."

Both express excitement about Lizzo's future projects and the forthcoming album release.

• Lizzo [97:01]: "Breaking news. My album, Love in Real Life is not out yet, but it will."
• Jake Shane [97:11]: "Okay, you want to give a little..."

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Notable Quotes

• Jake Shane [01:58]: "The press cycle has completely changed for you guys."

• Lizzo [07:55]: "I wrote that song because it was who I wanted to be."

• Lizzo [12:18]: "It's terrifying."

• Lizzo [29:01]: "You can't really control it... People are going to say what they want to say about you."

• Lizzo [31:50]: "Music is my therapist."

• Lizzo [95:27]: "I am still growing and I'm still learning... This was a puzzle piece clicked in my brain."

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Conclusion

Session 72 of THERAPUSS with Jake Shane offers an intimate glimpse into Lizzo's journey through fame, personal development, and creative expression. The honest dialogue underscores the complexities of maintaining authenticity in the public eye and the therapeutic power of music and self-reflection. As Lizzo prepares to release Love in Real Life, listeners gain valuable insights into the artist's evolving narrative and the universal quest for self-love and genuine connection.

Transcript

[Lizzo]

Hi, pussies.

[Jake Shane]

Welcome back to Therapuss. If I look a little tired, it's because I just woke up from a nap. I took a really early flight this morning. I was at the Webbies last night and I actually won a Webby for comedy. And I just wanted to say thank you guys. I love you all so much and it wouldn't be possible without you. But tonight we have Lizzo on the podcast, who I adore. She came on and it was really, really, really fun and we had such a lovely time together and we talked about her new album and her road up until here, and we talked about our favorite TV shows, and it was amazing. I'm sorry if I seem so fucking tired. It's cause I'm like, literally so fucking tired. But yeah, I'm really, really excited for you guys to see tonight's episode. I love Lizzo. She was so awesome to hang out with and it was so fun. So I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I did. Oh, well, we start back on tour this week. I forgot we start back on tour. So I go back on tour Friday. We're going to San Francisco, which I am so, so, so excited for. If you want to get tickets to a show, go to passthatpost.com click live with Jake Shane to see if I'm coming to a city near you. And. And if you want to submit a Tell me what's Wrong, go to passthatpuss.com and click Tell me what's wrong. And leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. I love you pussies. Enjoy tonight's episode.

[Lizzo]

You know what's so crazy? When I first came out, it, it was like 2019, 2020. Podcasts were not, like, right popping and like the thing. So I never. I didn't do any podcast. I don't have a podcast trail. I don't have a paper podcast trail. So then by the now it's been three years since my last, like, album, and now it's like podcast. That's like the thing to do. I'm having so much fun.

[Jake Shane]

That is so interesting. So the press cycle has completely changed for you guys.

[Lizzo]

Completely changed. First it was like radio and a lot of, like, traditional media trad mead and you're like sitting in a hotel room and it's like you sitting on the couch. And then like, they just send a new person in every 10 minutes and they ask the same questions. No shade.

[Jake Shane]

And how many people would you do like a day?

[Lizzo]

Wow, this is getting really.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Well, don't just chime in now. You rewind to get a little bit of context.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, yeah, sorry. I just realized how that sounded.

[Lizzo]

Sitting on a bed in a hotel room. I had a. I had about like, it would be. I can give you the time. I'd wake up at 6am oh, I'd start around, like after glam 10 or something. I'd be done at like midnight talking to people. So I don't know how many people that is, but they would. They fill me up, honey. I was chock full of people.

[Jake Shane]

That's crazy.

[Lizzo]

This is so much cooler. I mean, like, once again, no more shade. But this is cool because I get to sit in people's environments, right? Real people. And it's a different vibe every podcast, which is amazing. I love that.

[Jake Shane]

Have you done a podcast that you like?

[Lizzo]

Love yours.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, love you. Love you.

[Lizzo]

Yeah, they paid me to say that. No, I mean, I love you. This is a great vibe.

[Jake Shane]

I love you too. And I have loved you since. Well, I was thinking about. I was like, when did I, like, fall in love with Liz's music? And I was thinking about. There was two moments. Okay. So the first moment was that. Sink in someone great for Truth hurts.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

Great. One of the all. All time favorite things.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

Because I remember that. Okay, So I. The reason that I love that thing so much is because that made me watch the movie. So I remember seeing a clip from it. I don't know if it was in the trailer or something. I think it might have been. And I remember thinking, oh, I want to watch the movie because of that clip and that song. So that was when I think I discovered you. But then you also were at Coachella 2019, and I was just like, listening to the lineup's music, and me and one of my best friends, Caroline, were just obsessed with good as hell.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

That the sink changed my life.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

I didn't even know that was because, mind you, I've. I'm like the top synced person at my label, so I've been getting synced since the beginning. Like, female rap is very sinkable, especially back when I started, like 2017, 18. So I was thinking all the time and I'll get emails and it's like, like literally every day. And they'll be like, hey, they want to use you in this commercial. They want to use you in this, this TV show. And I just go, approved, approved. And I, like, I approved it. And it wasn't even, like, it didn't register that it was like, gonna Be this big moment. It was just like another thing to me. Mind you, Truth Hurts have been out for, like, three years at that time.

[Jake Shane]

Really?

[Lizzo]

Yeah. I put out Truth hurts in, like, 2017, and I think they put in something great. 2018, 2019.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

I was like, okay, cool.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

That went so crazy. It made Truth. It launched Truth Hurts to a number one song, a song that had been out for three years from that one sink. And mind you, it was very routine for me. I was like, okay, approve. Cool. Approve. Approve. But listen, that one approval can change your life. Okay? Let. If you watching at home, always say yes, but have, like, a year of yes. You know what I mean?

[Jake Shane]

A year of yes.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

And I think that's what. You know, there's something so cool about that because that's what that movie is kind of about as well. You know, it's like, about saying yes and doing things. So it's cool. That same thing. Saying yes. Saying yes got you that?

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Pretty cool. Pretty rude. And I don't even know if that's, like, the heart of the message. It's not like just saying yes, but it's just like. It's the little things. You just never know what can change your life.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

Like, what was the little thing that changed your life? What was the moment where you were.

[Jake Shane]

Like, oh, shit, getting really high one night and making a funny video?

[Lizzo]

What was the video?

[Jake Shane]

It was like some skit. It was like John Hancock, something about the Declaration of Independence.

[Lizzo]

Oh, because he wrote his name.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, my God. I'm trying to act too cool. Like, I know word for word, bar for bar. Don't be cool.

[Lizzo]

This is not the place to be cool.

[Jake Shane]

It was John Hancock writing his name too big and someone being like. You know what I mean? And so I was super high when I did it. And then it just changed my entire life.

[Lizzo]

Crazy. Because it just went crazy.

[Jake Shane]

It just, like, led me to. Speaking of Yes. I kept making videos like that. I just didn't stop. I would, like, pump out, like, four or five a day during that time period, and it just blew up over the course of a week.

[Lizzo]

How did you think of that many things in a day?

[Jake Shane]

Well, people would comment them.

[Lizzo]

Oh.

[Jake Shane]

So people would be like, do this, do this, do this, do this.

[Lizzo]

Amazing.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. And I would just. It was like, improv.

[Lizzo]

The power of the people. Are you an improv?

[Jake Shane]

Well, I don't want to say yes because I don't want to, like, disrespect actual people that do improv. But, like, that is What? I.

[Lizzo]

You took a class? She took an improv class.

[Jake Shane]

You know, I played, like. What was the game you played during improv? Where have you played improv? Have you done improv before? What's it like? Zip Zap Zam.

[Lizzo]

You've played Zip Zap Zam. So now you think you can be on snl?

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, essentially. Have you played Zip Zap Zam?

[Lizzo]

I've never played Zip Zap Zam.

[Jake Shane]

Okay?

[Lizzo]

So my life. My life is Zip Zap Zam. Okay? My life is one big improv. Like, oh, what's gonna happen next? But, you know, you. You. You know, you joke through it.

[Jake Shane]

You. I.

[Lizzo]

You laugh your way through.

[Jake Shane]

I am the. That is like, my number one belief is, like, laugh through the pain. Yeah, like, laughter.

[Lizzo]

That's what my music is, though. My music is like, the joy through the pain. I'm like, wow, this was actually really shitty. How do I turn this into a silver lining? How do I turn this into a hit?

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

And I do every time. Was there therapy?

[Jake Shane]

What song do you remember specifically? Being in the studio and, like, feeling so much pain and then having a moment that created a song that sounded like the complete opposite.

[Lizzo]

Oh, my God. That is so funny. That's a really good question, because that's now where I thought you were going.

[Jake Shane]

Huh?

[Lizzo]

The complete opposite. Soulmate, maybe that I'm my own soulmate I know how to love me I know that I'm always gonna hold me down that's on. Because I love you. Check it out. That song, I was crying in the studio when I was crying, and I wrote that song because it was who I wanted to be. I was like, when I sing this song, in a year, this will be me. I will believe these words. But I did not believe those words when I was writing it.

[Jake Shane]

Interesting.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

So you were, like, manifesting.

[Lizzo]

It was a manifestation.

[Jake Shane]

Do you believe in manifesting growth?

[Lizzo]

What? Yes.

[Jake Shane]

Me too. Yeah, but I do it, like, different. Like, differently. Like, how do you manifest?

[Lizzo]

Well, I don't even think it's, like, something that. Oh, you know what manifestation is? You don't believe in manifestation. You believe in yourself. That's what true manifestation is. It's like I need to into step state these things about my life that I want to be true. And sometimes it's just, like, maladaptive daydreaming. Like, when I was a kid, I would. I didn't need tv. I didn't need movies. I didn't need Nan. I could sit and just, like, fantasize about things, and I would Just like imagine my life. And I know this is gonna sound so silly, but I used to like, hold little like shampoo bottles and stuff and like, do speeches in the mirror. I would be like, I just want to thank my mommy and my daddy. This is such a huge honor. And my stuffed an, like, propped up like so. I don't know why I did that kind of stuff. But then I look up and I'm actually there and I'm like, oh, my God. I used to, like, practice this when I was a kid. I used to play award show when I was like 8.

[Jake Shane]

Does it feel like what you thought it would feel like?

[Lizzo]

No, absolutely not. It seemed so fun.

[Jake Shane]

No, I know, I know, I know.

[Lizzo]

I try to make award shows really fun by just telling myself I'm not gonna win. I'm. It's like the opposite of manifestation for me. I'll go to the Grammys and be like, I'm here to get drunk with Adele.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

And then I do, and then I win record of the year. And I was like, yeah. I didn't think of anything. I didn't plan anything. But that's how I make it fun for me. I'm like, it's prom. I get to dress up, I get to look cute. I have a date and I get to drink. Free drinks.

[Jake Shane]

Right? That.

[Lizzo]

That's. Yeah, that's the eight year old me coming out. Was.

[Jake Shane]

You were. Did you perform that song Jerome at the Grammys?

[Lizzo]

I performed Jerome at the Amas.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, I love that performance. Yeah, I love that performance.

[Lizzo]

Maybe the memes that were burst from that.

[Jake Shane]

Really?

[Lizzo]

Yeah, I. I think I did like a. And then like, remember the old lady praying and then like the world explodes. That was like my favorite one from that. Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, that's funny. I didn't know memes were made out of that one.

[Lizzo]

I thought you were gonna say, I didn't know memes existed back.

[Jake Shane]

No.

[Lizzo]

I say, don't try me, honey. Oh, I'm a Gen Alpha diva.

[Jake Shane]

You're an Alpha?

[Lizzo]

I'm Gen Alpha. I was born yesterday.

[Jake Shane]

Oh my God.

[Lizzo]

Can you tell I'm dumb?

[Jake Shane]

Because I was like, what is John Alpha? I forgot that there's some a generation younger than J.

[Lizzo]

Let me tell you something. Gin Beta.

[Jake Shane]

No.

[Lizzo]

Has just been born first Betas. Oh, yeah. All of Gen Z's karma. And I don't even know what they're going to do to Jenna. I'm.

[Jake Shane]

I mean, I just feel my issue with Gen Alpha is like. And I was looking up. I was, I was.

[Lizzo]

I was not you beefing with them already. What is wrong with you, Z ears?

[Jake Shane]

Well, I was just saying because I'm like, I was looking on Tick Tock the other day and someone was like, and honestly, same goes for my generation. Like, they were like, you guys can't be cringe anymore. You can't try anymore. You can't try anything. Like, yeah, that's something. Millennials had that. Like, we didn't like, was that like they were cringe because they tried. They like, did it all because there wasn't someone immediately being like, oh, that's not like. You know what I mean?

[Lizzo]

Right?

[Jake Shane]

You know, like I. And it's like, I don't know, fear.

[Lizzo]

You know, everybody's like, everybody's a snitch. You know what I mean? Like, the club is full of ops, you know, and you're like being filmed and it's like, I dare you to have fun.

[Jake Shane]

Have fun.

[Lizzo]

Oh, let loose. Dance like no one's watching. Cuz I got you. 7 million people will be watching you very soon. You're going to go viral just for living your life, but not for the good reasons, right? All viral ain't good viral. Don't. The Internet don't know that. They think all viral is good viral. It's not.

[Jake Shane]

It's like all press is good press.

[Lizzo]

It's like, no, sometimes when my video is going viral, I get. I have like an anxiety attack.

[Jake Shane]

Really?

[Lizzo]

And I'll be like, oh. I'll be like, what did I do wrong? I did something wrong because I don't read comments anymore. And I don't, like, I don't have context with anything anymore. I live in a bubble. So I'll send it off and I'll be like, like to my friend, my best friend. I'll be like, like, so what they say it. They eat me up or am I eating them up? Yeah, you know, but like, no, it's terrifying.

[Jake Shane]

Did you. When did you stop reading comments?

[Lizzo]

About two years ago. That's liberating.

[Jake Shane]

Liberating, liberating.

[Lizzo]

I used to. And I never read, like, I never like scrolled through my comments because that sounds like hell. But also, tik tok comments got so mean. You know when I really stopped after the fairy backhanded compliments trend. Do you remember that?

[Jake Shane]

Oh, with the little thing that was like, what would it say again?

[Lizzo]

Oh, cute. I love your. I don't even know. It would be like, that's so cute. Maybe you should stop breathing.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

And I'm like, wait, what, bitch? And so I stopped after that, because I was like, they might trick me with a cute emoji and say something evil.

[Jake Shane]

No, they get nasty in there.

[Lizzo]

Yeah, they do.

[Jake Shane]

There's always a new. A new. A new one. Like, there's, like, so many, like, right now. What are they saying right now?

[Lizzo]

Right now it's like, Jesus loves you. He died for you. He died right since. And now they're saying, Gaga loves you. She died for your sins. They say that they asked. They'll change it to whoever. They're like, diva is. And I'm like, what is happening? What is going on in the comments section?

[Jake Shane]

I feel like Stan, that whole culture is so. I have related it to organized religion.

[Lizzo]

Stan. Culture, Yes.

[Jake Shane]

I think it's like organized religion.

[Lizzo]

Church of Is. Yeah. There's the Church of the Beehive.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

Their own church. Lovely. I mean, listen, I love that. Yeah, that makes it make sense a little bit.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

They all have their different, like, outfits that they wear. They have their different praise and worship, their different service, their communion.

[Jake Shane]

Exactly.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

Are you excited for the Cowboy Carter tour?

[Lizzo]

Oh, I gotta get my outfit.

[Jake Shane]

So my outfit for Renaissance sucked.

[Lizzo]

Really?

[Jake Shane]

I had, like, a hat and boots. I think I called it a day.

[Lizzo]

That's the Cowboy Carter look.

[Jake Shane]

No, but it was, like, silver boots, if I remember. It was like, silver. It was silver everything. I think. I think whatever. I had the best night of my life.

[Lizzo]

Yeah, of course. Well, Beyonce has a habit of playing shows on my birthday. Is the. The first one is la, right?

[Jake Shane]

No way. No.

[Lizzo]

Is it la? Am I wrong? Somebody Google it, because I have. I have a story, if it's true, and if it's not true, I don't have a story. First one is LA. April 28th. Hell, yeah. So my birthday is April 27th, but we're gonna say that it's the 28th for the sake of the story. But she has a habit of starting her tours on my birthday, and I have a habit of going to whatever city she's.

[Jake Shane]

So are you gonna go to la?

[Lizzo]

I'm gonna fly to la. I'm gonna fly from my house, too. I mean, I'm here. I live here.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, you live here?

[Lizzo]

You live here. I'm flying from Bev Hills to Inglewood.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

To see her perform. I'm so excited.

[Jake Shane]

When did you move to LA?

[Lizzo]

I moved to LA in 2016.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, my God. The golden years of LA.

[Lizzo]

The golden years. Oh, right. Because what do they say? Like this? It was 2016.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. It was Coachella. 2016. Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Wow. I'm so Lucky.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. Like, I never got to experience that. I mean, I did, but, like, I wasn't, like, clubbing at the time.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. Neither was I. I was, like, stressed out and working because I moved here for a gig. I didn't. I lived in Minneapolis and I really loved it. I had, like, a beautiful house on the north side. I loved my. My quiet life. What it would. Belle from Beauty and the Beast. Like this provincial. I had a provincial life, you know?

[Jake Shane]

Yes.

[Lizzo]

I can walk to the coffee shop and have a coffee and a bagel, and it was very green and beautiful. And then it was like, okay, move to LA or stay in Minneapolis and not, you know, work on this album with Atlantic Records. Not have this TV show with mtv. And I was like, can I just fly every week?

[Jake Shane]

Right? And they were.

[Lizzo]

I was really, like, they were dragging me. And then I finally did it, and I'm really happy I did because I love working and I love la, but I know a lot of people move here and they. On la, they're like, I hate it here, but, you know, I just have to be here to work. I actually do really like LA now.

[Jake Shane]

I love it.

[Lizzo]

It grows on you when you're not so lonely.

[Jake Shane]

I know.

[Lizzo]

It's just really lonely.

[Jake Shane]

It is the most lonely place in the. In the world.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

My parents always said that because my mom is like. Is like New York. And my dad's like, la. And my mom's like, I just can't be in la. It's so lonely. It's so isolating.

[Lizzo]

Yeah, you need people.

[Jake Shane]

She always uses this example of, like, one time I threw up on the street when I was a kid, and no one in LA like, stopped and looked and, like, asked if I needed help, but she was like, if that. If we were in New York, everyone would be like, are you okay?

[Lizzo]

Like, are you good here?

[Jake Shane]

You want you.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. But that's what they say about the west coast is, like, it. They pretend to be nice, but they're actually mean. And new in east coast is the. They pretend to be mean, but they're actually nice.

[Jake Shane]

Okay, I've never heard that. That's interesting.

[Lizzo]

And then the Midwest is actually just nice.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, the Midwest is lovely.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

Wait, so were you. How long have you been playing shows for?

[Lizzo]

It's been 84 years. I've been playing shows. Like, when you say shows, you mean, like, just, like, getting on stage and rocking out?

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

I've been playing shows since I was, like, 19. I've been playing shows for, like, half of my life.

[Jake Shane]

Does Part of you ever miss, like, like. Okay. Because you weren't expecting everything to blow up, right?

[Lizzo]

No.

[Jake Shane]

But you had like a pretty, like, loyal fan base and you had like, you were like, what capsized rooms were you playing before everything blew up?

[Lizzo]

I was doing pretty good.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

I was in like large theaters so I could do like 5k. I grossed like a million dollars independent.

[Jake Shane]

Were you like, like, did you. Were you like, if everything stopped now, like, I'm good. Like, this is amazing. And then. Yeah, it got.

[Lizzo]

That was the tip. That was the moment. I remember I put out truth hurts in 2017 and I was like, this is the best song I've ever done to date because About Damn Time is the best. But I did Truth Hurts and I was like, this is the best video, best song. I was like, hell yeah. And I put it out and it didn't really get like any pickup or any attention or anything like that. And I was like, huh, interesting. And I was like, you know what? That's it. Like. And it was kind of dark for me because I was like, I don't want to even try anymore for that. I was like, I just want to be happy with what I have. It was. It was a darkness that I don't want to talk about. And then I'll get to the. But I'm just gonna skip to the positive, right, Because I. At this point, because I'm so successful, it's going to sound like I'm complaining. So I won't even say that. But I will say I was like, you can tour on your own. You can take care of your family financially and you make really good music and you have a great fan base. I. I am now going to just focus on being a career artist that can tour. Like, that's it, right. You know, I don't need to be signed to no big majors and be a pop star. I don't need that. I'm happy with what I have. And once I got happy with it, all of a sudden they want to blow a up.

[Jake Shane]

No, I know, but that's what they say happens. That's the reason I ask is because before I this on a much smaller scale, like, I, like that happened with me and like when I, when I, when I was in life, like, I was working at a record label and I was like making tick tocks for fun and I was just like, oh my God, like, life is so fun.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

And then it all became serious really quickly. It's like when you're having fun and you're like, you're like. You enter that, like, brief period of, like, true authenticity and, like, true happiness. Like, everyone can sense it, and they're.

[Lizzo]

Like, give it right. You got to be, like, content with where you are and not chase so you can attract. Because I feel like, not just with career, like, relationships, too. I find that, like, I attract the best people, romantic or platonic. When I'm on my path and I'm, like, happy, right. And I'm, like, taking care of myself. I attract really healthy, happy, good partners and partnerships and friendships in my life. When I'm going through the trenches and I'm struggling and searching and, you know, desperate, because I've been desperate a few times.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, I am. I am desperate.

[Lizzo]

So desperate.

[Jake Shane]

I'm the most desperate person.

[Lizzo]

I attract, you know, people who are negative and negative energy.

[Jake Shane]

Interesting. How do you feel like, cultivating relationships changed pre and post? Like, real, real fame, baby.

[Lizzo]

It's not even possible anymore to have a. I cr. Like, let me tell you something about me. I am the friendliest. I loved talking to strangers. It was so fun for me ever since I was a little kid. My mom said we were at, like, Disneyland or something, and she couldn't find me for, like, five minutes. I was like, oh, we lost Melissa. And then she found me because we were all at the pool, and she said she found me by the hot tub talking to a bunch of adults, just being like, yeah. So, you know, like, I really just love to, like, write, and I love poetry. And I was like, a little. I was like, like, single digit. And my mom was like, oh. And she was like, I'm so sorry. You know, the kid who's talking, the parent comes like, I'm so sorry. And they're like, no, she was fine. I love talking to strangers. And then all of a sudden, once you become famous, you can't really do that anymore.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

You know what I mean? Mostly because, like, nobody's really a stranger.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

People know who you are for the most part. And so it just becomes kind of like a transaction.

[Jake Shane]

God.

[Lizzo]

Like, I noticed the first time I really noticed that somebody, like, asked me for a photo on When I was on a plane, and I was like. I was like, yeah, after the flight, you know. Yeah, I looked crusty, dusty, musty, busty. But this was, like, early days. So I was like, she ain't gonna follow up on that, right? Lo and behold, the flight ended, and I was like, all right. Got off the plane, I felt her chasing me. I said, she chasing me. That's crazy. So I was like, let me run, let me, you know what I'm saying? So I'm, I'm running, you know, for the plot, right?

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

I ended up in like one of those little like magazine corner stores inside the airport. And she cornered me and I was like, no way. I was trying to say, I was like, how far is she gonna take it? She said, can I have my picture now?

[Jake Shane]

No.

[Lizzo]

Yeah, so I was like, oh, your picture. I'm pretty sure it's our picture.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

And we took the photo. And that's when I realized, like, things just become a little transactional.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

And you know what? That's the part. You sign up for 100 and that's the part. But you don't, you, you don't know when that moment happens. You're, you're, you know, you're not, it's non transactional in, in, you're a stranger to everybody and then like seemingly overnight becomes very transactional and you're everybody's friend and it's just like, know your role. And now I know my role, you know what I mean? And I, I understand it now, but when you don't understand it, it can be a little scary, a little jarring at first.

[Jake Shane]

I think it also changed when TikTok came about because everybody can share their experience.

[Lizzo]

Oh, absolutely.

[Jake Shane]

You know what I mean? So it's like back in the day, if somebody had a bad experience with Tom Cruise, it could end up on like the gossip blogs, but that's as far as it would get taken, you know what I mean? And now it's like my experience with Tom Cruise. 500,000 likes and it's the story of the week, you know what I mean?

[Lizzo]

What? That actually happened to me and it was like, it was kind of heartbreaking to me because it was like 20, 20 time. I, if I could describe what being in full press in radio press, promo and touring is like, or I guess was like pre Covid, pre lockdown. It was, it was not. I, I pride myself on being a hard worker. This is, there's nothing like waking up at 6am Being in glam, mind you, you, you landed the night before, right? You just landed in a new city, maybe 10p bed. You wake up at 5. Maybe if you go to bed by 1 or 2, you, you lucky because it take me a lot to get to sleep. You're in glam, which is great. I love my life, but I'm just, I'm just giving people some insight because they don't know. Then you go to the first, you do radio all through the morning, because radio's in the morning, and that's back to, back to back to back interviews. Then you get to the hotel and you sit down and you do back to back to back to back to back press interviews. Then after that, you do your sound check. And the sound check is normally when you're first starting off for radio. So there's a lot of radio winners who come in, or there's a lot of, like, meet and greet fans who come in. So you do, like, a sound check party. You're singing. Mind you, during those radio performances earlier, you're also performing live on air because you're promoting your music. So you're performing all morning, you're doing interviews all morning. You do a sound check party and perform for fans. Then you maybe get like a little second, but in that little second, they put down a thick packet of like, hi, this is Lizzo, and you're listening to Radio five two, three, four, one. Okay.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Go, Orlando. And you're doing that, and you're getting through that, or you're doing, hey, what's up, Spotify? It's your girl, Lizzo. You're doing that when you're supposed to be, like, eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, but you don't. Then you back in glam for the show. Then you get on stage, you perform the show. Then after the show, you're on the bus or the plane to the next city to do it all over again. So that was my life for about two years. And I was kind of raggedy. I'm not gonna hold you. I was raggedy. And I was pushing it because it's like, I wanted to have a social life. I wanted to have friends. I wanted to. And I was drinking, I was partying, I was turning up. So some. Some of these meet and greets, I was kind of literally like, right, right. You know, and it's like, man, I wish that I could have been more in my body, but I was a little anxious. I was a little exhau. And there were people online and they were just like, I had a meet and greet with Lizzo and she was just like, like, not there. And, like, it was weird. And she wasn't even, like, she didn't even look at me. And I was like, damn. I felt so bad because I'm like, I know I probably met this person in that window of time where I was just, like, probably exhausted or probably like, so highly caffeinated or. You know what I mean? Or just, like, zoned out to my happy place. And it's like, I can't explain that to them, you know, And I feel really bad about it. But that's, that was my first time realizing, oh wow, like, you know, there can be misconceptions and you're not in control of it.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

Like you mean something to somebody. You mean something to somebody when they look at your videos and they're like, oh my gosh, he's so funny. I like him. He's so likable. And then you do something that's not so funny and not so likable, it hurts their feelings because you mean something to them, you know, and that's an important role to observe and be aware of.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

You know, but it's a hard lesson to be, to learn that one. Yeah, that's a hard lesson to learn, honey.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, I know I'm, I know I'm going to have to learn it eventually. And it gives me so much anxiety. I'm like, I don't, I, I care what everybody has to say about me and ev. Like I've, oh just since I was a kid. And it's like, I know I want to do this and I know I want to be in this space. But like I literally like, you're like, I don't read comments. I can't help but read comments. Like I can't help it.

[Lizzo]

Cuz that's how you built it. You built it by reading. Oh my God. I used to love reading comments and they would be like, oh my gosh, do this net or eat, eat this next. And I'll be like, oh, okay, I'll try that. That sounds good. But now it's like, no, I can't. And it kind of does make me feel a little disconnected from like, because I used. Man, I'm such a Tick Tock girl. I was on tick tock since 2019, like doing the renegade OG, like triple OG and I think now it's like. But I think the app has changed as well. I think that platform has completely changed. I think comment section is like a stand up show now and I'll be getting my life. Other people's comments now that I read. Yeah, yeah, other people's comments. Crying, laughing yes, yes, yes. Oh, right now my favorite is like if there's a video of any cat, a cat doing anything, the top comment is always, his greed sickens me. Have you seen that?

[Jake Shane]

No.

[Lizzo]

His greed sickens me. Don't be a cat like eating corn on the cob. His greed.

[Jake Shane]

Or like this is the greed they talk about in the Bible. Yeah. Yes.

[Lizzo]

Gluttony.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Deuteronomy, chapter four. You are on one. Like, who the fuck is coming up with this shit? Like, nobody's beating the TikTok comment section right now.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, God. Sometimes opening up when it's not your video, opening up the comments and just like, knowing what you're going to see. Yeah. Oh, it's the best.

[Lizzo]

And then sometimes when it's not there, the top comment will be like, am I a fucked up person?

[Jake Shane]

Because I didn't find the comment I was looking for.

[Lizzo]

Yo, so anyway, I. I think just be yourself, man.

[Jake Shane]

That's.

[Lizzo]

That's. That was the lesson that I learned is like, you can't really control it. You know, People are going to say what they want to say about you. People are going to believe things about you that aren't true. People are gonna, you know, believe things about you that you like, where the that come from?

[Jake Shane]

You know?

[Lizzo]

And then there are people, there's people who are going to believe you and believe who you are. And the only way they're going to do that is if you continue to show the world who you are. You know, there is a brand that sort of begins to develop. You know, you're a person, but then all of a sudden, when you're not, when you don't belong to yourself anymore and you belong to the public, you be. That becomes a brand, right? And I think that when you drink Coca Cola, you know what to expect. I'm like, I know this brand is going to be fizzy, it's going to be sweet, and it's going to burn a little bit, and it might kill me one day. But one day if you drink it and it's all of a sudden thick, if Coca Cola, like, kind of hard to get out, right? What the is this isn't it? This isn't the Coca Cola I know and love.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

I'm throwing this away. So you know what I mean?

[Jake Shane]

You kind of have to, like, remove yourself from yourself.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. And sometimes that's what my therapist. When I first noticed I was getting, like, famous, I was like in this movie called Hustlers and yeah, should have got the Oscar.

[Jake Shane]

People say that, but I was. People really ride for that movie.

[Lizzo]

I was in that movie and I was, like, really excited. I was, I'm gonna go watch it. And I went to the movies. I didn't even tell nobody I was gonna go watch it. I just went to the movies to go watch it. You know, I paid for everybody's seat. We, like, had a whole theater to ourselves. Because I was on tour, and I can't remember what city I was in. I left the theater, and it was, like, people outside waiting for me, fans. And I was like, wait a minute. How y' all know I was gonna be here? Like, what the fuck is going? I was like, ah. And that was really cool. But I think after that, I started noticing more things. It was like when I wanted to go out to, like, me and my friends, we would go out to lunch on tour. We would just go out and eat, right? And that became, like, a burden. And I was like, damn. Like, I have to get a car. I have to get security. I have to get all these things. I'm holding y' all back. Just go without me, right? And I was just like, sit in my hotel room by myself. And I was like, what the Is going? I don't want this to be my. I want to enjoy this life. So I talked to my therapist, and she said, you know, what you're experiencing is your morning appeal piece of yourself that's now gone.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

And just identify what that is and mourn it, because it's gone. And that is a little bit of your autonomy. You know, there is a piece of yourself that's like, this isn't mine anymore.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

You have to give it away. And that's fine. That's fine if you make it okay. If it's not fine, then take. Then take it back, you know? But that's a part of being a public figure now, right? It's always been, but especially with social media, right.

[Jake Shane]

It's, like, seriously elevated.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

Do you think any of those feelings and any of the things you've learned in the past three years have bled into your new album?

[Lizzo]

Oh, wow. Absolutely. I think what. I think one thing about me that I'm so grateful for is that, like, music is my therapist. My. Has always been my boyfriend, my doctor. And I've always, like, there is not one album that wasn't directly impacted by, like, my personal life. I feel like this album, though, Love in Real Life, is going to hit even more because people didn't know what my personal life was like when I was writing.

[Jake Shane]

Because I love you 100.

[Lizzo]

They didn't know what the fuck I was going to do. I just popped up. I was a new girl, right? Pop girl on the scene. Okay, cool. It's a cute little bop, right? With special. We were in lockdown, and I. And nobody. There was no personal life.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

You were just in your Space. You were in your bubble. And I was trying to write music that would help people get out of this time. I was like, this album's gonna come out. I'm. I'm praying that it's going to come out when we're out of lockdown. What does that feel like for people? What does that look like for people? I gotta remind people that they're special. I gotta say, it's about damn time to turn up the music and, like, step back out. You know, everybody's gay. I wrote it and I was like, everybody's gonna be partying. Everyone's gonna be so excited again. Pride is gonna be lit because we' so that was almost like a fantasy. And this album is like a diary of, like, October 2023 to, like, November 2024 of just, like, almost chronologically of, like, what you go through. And it's like, you have to kind of, you know, it's so wild. You were like, there's a part of you that you have to kind of just like. Like, say goodbye to or like, it's not. Whatever. Like, we were talking about that.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

You said something really pointy. I can't remember what it was. Remind the tape. But I think I just. Even though I first started talking to my therapist in 2019 about mourning a part of myself, I don't think I had the actual funeral for that part of myself until now.

[Jake Shane]

Wow.

[Lizzo]

I think that I have been learning that lesson since then and. And it been knocking me over the head, and I've been ignoring it and knocking me over the head. And then this time, it was like, you do not belong to you anymore. Lizzo is an idea, a brand, an entity in the world has projected it onto you.

[Jake Shane]

Got it.

[Lizzo]

That projection can be beautiful. That projection can look very similar to you. That projection can also be very ugly. And that projection can be not you at all, but it's what they perceive, and there's nothing you can do about it. So now what? And I think that, like, once I really had that lesson hit and was like, whoa, I'm really famous. This is like, this is not just you got a cute song and people know who you are. This is like, everyone knows Lizzo. Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

And. And for better or for worse. And I think once I mourned that, and it was so ugly. Oh, my God. I. It was ugly. It was dark. It was very depressing. Like, me mourning a part of myself for, like, the idea that I, you know, can control my narrative or, like, own my narrative because I can control it. I just don't own it anymore.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

It was, like, cutesy. I was like, oh, yeah. But that. It's fine, though. I'm dealing with it. No, the real deal. Once you really go through it, you're like, oh, my God, I'm so depressed. Like, is my life over? Is my life over? Is the. Is what. I. I kept thinking that I was like, damn, my life is over.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, my God.

[Lizzo]

It was really dark. But I think a part of my life was over, you know, the part of me that I was like, this is really me. You know, you get to be, like, really you in the world, and then now it's like, no, I don't.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

You know, I. I am whatever they want me to be. Like, when Eminem was like, I am whatever you say I am. If I wasn't, then why would you say I am? I was like, what the is he talking about? When I. But now. Now I get it. Shout out to Eminem. Because I. I totally get that.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

And I think that this album, like, even Still Bad, is just like, you know, remember Grease, when Sandy pulls up to the fair and she's like, yeah, yeah, like, stomps out a cigarette. You don't smoke. Like, Still Bad is very like, oh, okay, I'm. You want me to be the bad guy? I'm the bad guy. Awkward, right? I mean, but, like, you go through these stages of, like, grieving, you know, and it's like a relationship with the world. And I always say, still Bad is like my breakup song to the world. And now it's like, but the. On the album, you see us across.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

They text me, you up. The world is like, you up. And I'm like, bitch, I might be right.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

You know, wait and see.

[Jake Shane]

What you just said reminded me of what you said, said about the song Soulmate. It's like you were trying to convince yourself that you were this person in the studio. So would you say Still Bad was kind of like how you felt while recording Soulmate? Just about a different feeling.

[Lizzo]

When I was writing Still Bad, what was I going through? I think it was like, February 2024. What year is this? It's 25.

[Jake Shane]

I honestly, today, I was like, have I lost track?

[Lizzo]

No time.

[Jake Shane]

Hey, Post Covet. It's done.

[Lizzo]

Straight up.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

It's not a getting older thing. Time is moving fast for everybody.

[Jake Shane]

It's not a getting older thing. And it is something, I think, unique to, like, the world we live in right now.

[Lizzo]

Yes. Do you think it's social media? Do you Think we're being microwaved by social media?

[Jake Shane]

Yes, I do. I think we're doom scrolling and I think we like pick up our eyes sometimes. We're like, oh my God, it's. What year is it? What day is it?

[Lizzo]

Yes. Where am I?

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Whoa. We gotta do something about that.

[Jake Shane]

We won't.

[Lizzo]

I know. I'm like, anyways, I just saw a TikTok of a guy saying that somebody was talking too much and he did this to them in real life. And he was like, oh, scroll away on a. In real life, he was like, I have to touch grass immediately.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, I say, I like need to lay in grass and like eat it and feel it. Like, I need to like, be the grass.

[Lizzo]

Grass. Listen, don't let that ever turn. Don't let that just become like a buzzword or turn into an insult because grass is. That no, grass is really her. Like, if you. Have you ever been stressed out and like, ready to crash the out and then you step outside barefoot in some grass on a sunny day.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, yeah.

[Lizzo]

And it like tickles your feet and you're just like. It's like, like the earth is like a sound bowl and vibration. It's like a massage for your spirit. Don't sleep on, don't sleep on touching grass.

[Jake Shane]

No, I agree. I, I'm always like, I know I need to touch grass. But yeah, it is like we are being microwaved by social media. Like, I am like, I cannot believe that guy scrolled on someone in real life.

[Lizzo]

He was like. I said, oh, that's so funny to me. We're doomed.

[Jake Shane]

Word deals. Have you seen the Black Mirror episode Nosedive? No, it's very similar to, I think actually what our society has turned into. Like, everybody like walks around with a rating above their head.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

And it's like, reminds me of like, cancel culture and how quickly as a society we're ready to like zero stars, you know, Like. And I think. I don't know, I just. It's so interesting.

[Lizzo]

It is.

[Jake Shane]

And I, I think, God, it's so.

[Lizzo]

We'Re canceling is such a weird thing I was gonna say. I wish it was more effective, you know what I mean? Because it, because as easy as it is to cancel someone, it's easy for them to be uncanceled. It doesn't really mean anything anymore. You know what I mean?

[Jake Shane]

It's because when you go so hard for something, it's human nature for other people to be like, I kind of feel bad.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

You know what I mean? Like, oh, I kind of feel bad.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

Too harsh. So when you go, it's how. And I have had to learn this and how my own life. It's. The message can be right, but it's how you deliver it that's wrong.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

So it's like, it's not up to you whether other people with this person anymore or not or other people. It's not up to you whether other people are gonna still like this person or not.

[Lizzo]

Right.

[Jake Shane]

It's up to you what you want to do.

[Lizzo]

What do you want to do.

[Jake Shane]

Right. And, like, these people that are like, we should all not like this person. Right. Someone eventually is going to be like, I feel kind of bad.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. And that also just gives that person more attention. Right now, people are intentionally trying to. What is it called? It's called rage.

[Jake Shane]

Rage baiting.

[Lizzo]

Yes, Rage baiting. I see people, like, intentionally trying to get canceled to, like, start careers. And I'm like, oh, my God. What if. What has happened? What has. We do. But I feel like, you know, for me, I've been. I've been canceled a lot. You know, I mean, you can't. I shouldn't say I've been canceled because I'm still going. But I've gotten backlash a lot. And from. In literally every single time I've received backlash, I use it as a growing and learning lesson. Like, from the first time I. The first time I ever got backlash was I synced my song Good as Hell to Weight Watchers after Oprah bought it. So it was like, oprah wants to use your song. I lost my mind. I was like. It was like, it was 2016. It was Coachella. It was back in the day. And I was like, oh, my God, Oprah knows who I am. I was like, yes, yes. And they had rebranded to ww, not Weight Watchers, all of this stuff. And I remember posting the commercial because I was so proud. And everybody was like, you're joking, right? Like, this is promoting eating disorders. I got an eating disorder using weight. Not. Not me personally, but the country. I got an eating disorder doing Weight Watchers. Like, and I was like, oh, my God. It broke my heart.

[Jake Shane]

Really.

[Lizzo]

It truly broke my heart. I first tried to explain myself. I was like, guys, like, I'm a young black girl. Oprah was all we had growing up, and she wants to use my song. Like, that's. It's not even about the money. I was like, that's just really cool and a milestone to me. But it's like, they don't care about that.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

You know, and also, you should know now that you have a me. Lizzo should know now. I have a platform that affects people. And even if my intention was good, it's still going to, who knows, you know, affect somebody in a negative way down the road. I could post the commercial and they're like, oh, you know, some young person's, like, Weight watchers. They go in there. I don't have control over that. So I think that, like, I learned, like, hey, you know, be careful about the things that you say yes to and think about how it can affect people. And from every perspective, not just your perspective.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

Every single time, I've gotten backlash. And even if it's for this, I've gotten backlash for wearing a mask during the pandemic. I've gotten backlash for not wearing a mask during the pandemic. Pandemic. Because I was out in the. I was in a field by myself in the middle of nowhere, and I didn't have a mask on. They were like, excuse me, but mind you, two months prior to that, in March, I posted myself wearing a mask because I had. I think I had, like, a sinus infection or something. Or like, I had. I was sick. I didn't roll my eyes at either of them. I learned from both of them. So I think some people get backlash and they love it because it makes them a. It starts their career love.

[Jake Shane]

But I. I can't imagine.

[Lizzo]

It's a horrible feeling. Yeah, I try to avoid it, but I'm such a. I'm such a lightning rod for that. I don't know. I don't. I. You know, going to the Lakers game and twerking with the Lakers girls. Backlash, you know, I just.

[Jake Shane]

What?

[Lizzo]

Because my booty was out. I know I had on tights.

[Jake Shane]

Who cares?

[Lizzo]

But it looks like my butt.

[Jake Shane]

Who cares?

[Lizzo]

Oh, my God. It was a scandaloso, really, you know, But I learned from that, too. I've. I learned from everything.

[Jake Shane]

Do you ever feel like, though, of course, backlash and accountability is important, but do you ever feel like some people really just enjoy kicking people while they're down? And then it's like, you can't tell the difference, and then it's become this. It's become toxic. Everything's become toxic.

[Lizzo]

Yes. And I think that I was definitely. I fell for that one. I think that, like, it was easy for people to kind of kick me and. And kick me while I'm down as well for years. And I would. But I fell for it. I'd be like, wait a minute. You know, I'd Be like, okay, well, I fixed the problem and I fixed the pro, you know, every single time. But I think also, you know, you get to a point. And now I've officially gotten to the point because, you know, I've had so much, like, ups and downs and backlashes and. And scandals that now I'm at the point where it's like, I need to differentiate, you know, and not allow some of this stuff to get to me. Like, I'll post something or, like, I. Like, when I released still bad, one person said, you know, this brand of poptimism just doesn't do it for me anymore. And I spiraled. What do you mean? Like, it's. They were like, post covet. I just can't do. And I was like, I dropped about damn time.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lizzo]

Don't you understand? And it's just like, girl, just let people have opinions on the Internet. Like, that don't got nothing to do with you. They don't got nothing to do with the joy of your life. So I feel like not being triggered by everything, you know, and knowing the difference between, like, somebody. Now everyone states their opinion on the Internet. Like, that's just what it is. Knowing the difference between that and the difference between, like, hey, I have to take this narrative back, right? Like, I have to own my own narrative again. I think is a. Is a big one. And it's choosing your battles. Really, Truly.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

And there's a lot of battles out there.

[Jake Shane]

There's. You choose battle a day if you wanted to.

[Lizzo]

A day.

[Jake Shane]

Are you nervous for people to have an opinion on the new record, or do you welcome it because it is so personal? You know, and now everyone know. Everyone will be like, well, this song. Everyone will know.

[Lizzo]

You know, this song is about this and this.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

Is about that. Yeah. You know, I'm gonna be. I don't want to ever, like, air out my. Like, what. What gets to me. But I think that, like, you can. Like, I got a lot of, like, fat jokes and, you know, a lot of people. A lot of fat backlash, you know, like, for being a bigger girl. It was just like, damn, what the. But I can handle that. I've been called fat and teased my whole life about it. I can handle that. The things that kind of use. That bother me is like, damn, my music. I love my music. I feel like I'm so. It's like they're like my babies, you know, it's like looking at my baby and being like, this baby ugly.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Oh, right. That and, like, the content of My character. Those two things really. It really used to get under my skin when people had something wrong to say or negative to say or. You know what I mean about those two things. I'm very protective and defensive of those. So I am nervous because this new album deals with both of those things directly. The content of my character and my ability as a musician. And I'm like, oh, my God, if.

[Jake Shane]

If.

[Lizzo]

If you don't like this, you don't like me. But it's like, I can't think that way. I have to remember that it's still just art to people. Songs come out every day. B, I was listening to new music Friday in the gym, and the song that somebody had been working on for fucking years came on. And I press next.

[Jake Shane]

You know what I'm saying?

[Lizzo]

So it's like. It is what it is. And I think that, like, I'm learning how to be more protective of myself, and I'm. And I'm building thicker skin because I'm at the point now where anyone can say anything about me and it can be true.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

And I have to be okay with that. I have to just live. You know what I mean? Because it's not the truth.

[Jake Shane]

100.

[Lizzo]

You know what I mean?

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. Is there a song on the record that you feel is, like, the most vulnerable point in the record?

[Lizzo]

Man, I'd have to say that there are a few vulnerable points, but I have one song that. Not sonically vulnerable, but it's the first time I wrote a song that doesn't have a happy ending. And I normally always like, the Lizzo thing to do is to be like, okay, you went through some. Walk your fine ass out the door. Yeah. And. Or, okay, all right. We gonna be all right this time. I was writing it, and I remember being. I was. I wrote it with Ricky Reed, and I remember being like, okay. But I have to say, like, it's gonna be okay by, like, maybe, like, the bridge or something or how I'm working through it. And he was like, no, you don't have to if you. If you don't want to. And he was like. And personally, you never do anything like this. So allow yourself to be vulnerable and allow yourself to receive help in a weird way, energetically, or ask for help that baby. I do not ask for help. I'm a Taurus. I'm terrible.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, she's a Taurus, too.

[Lizzo]

Hello.

[Jake Shane]

I love. My mom's a Taurus.

[Lizzo]

Oh, we're the best.

[Jake Shane]

You guys are the best. You love material things.

[Lizzo]

Yes, we do.

[Jake Shane]

But you can be a.

[Lizzo]

Wait, what's your.

[Jake Shane]

What's your.

[Lizzo]

What's your moon?

[Jake Shane]

Libra.

[Lizzo]

Oh, okay. That's why she's a. Because I was like, wait, it's not the Taurus, it's the Cap, right?

[Jake Shane]

What's your. Rising?

[Lizzo]

You're not a. We love you. You're a. With a backstory.

[Jake Shane]

Yes, she is.

[Lizzo]

She is.

[Jake Shane]

Wait, what.

[Lizzo]

What happened?

[Jake Shane]

Like, so much. What?

[Lizzo]

You know, one thing about us, Taurus, is we've lived many lives.

[Jake Shane]

Yes.

[Lizzo]

I. I'm on, like, Life five right now. Like this. I've worked every job, I've been through every experience. I. I accidentally. Trauma dump. Just, like, reminiscing. Remember that one time? And then my mom was like, oh, my. Are you okay? I'm like, I'm not actually. Capricorn Rising. That's the. That's the hard work. It actually work because Taurus is all about hard work. It's steadfastness. Capricorn is all about hard work. You love making money then. Because the Capricorn loves making money to make your materialistic Taurus self happy. That's amazing. Libra Moon. Are you indecisive, though? Maybe. Maybe all your Earth balances out the library, but maybe you can weigh options really well. Maybe you weigh options really quickly because of that.

[Jake Shane]

Are you super into astrology?

[Lizzo]

I've. I've. I've. I've known of it for so long and learned so much about it for so long. I have no choice.

[Jake Shane]

What's your rise in. What's your mood?

[Lizzo]

I'm a Leo rising.

[Jake Shane]

Okay.

[Lizzo]

The hair performer.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

You know, my moon is Virgo. So very, like, overthinker. Anxious, stomach problems, and then the tourists. But that the Capricorns are always the. God bless them. They don't mean. What's your chart?

[Jake Shane]

Scorpio. Oh, wow, right? A Scorpio sun.

[Lizzo]

Okay.

[Jake Shane]

Gemini Rising. Oh, Gemini Moon.

[Lizzo]

Oh. Oh, wait, no. I was gonna say, do you have the same chart as my sister?

[Jake Shane]

That would be crazy.

[Lizzo]

My sister is Scorpio's son. No, no, no, no, no, wait. I don't know her chart anymore. And I know everyone's chart. That's embarrassing for me. I don't think your chart is bad.

[Jake Shane]

Really?

[Lizzo]

You're Gemini Rising.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

If you were Gemini, if you were Scorpio Sun, Gemini Moon, I'd be scared.

[Jake Shane]

I am.

[Lizzo]

Oh, you are Gemini.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

And you're Gemini Rising.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Oh, yeah. No, it's bad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Jake Shane]

I know it's bad.

[Lizzo]

It's bad.

[Jake Shane]

I know it's bad.

[Lizzo]

I was really trying, you guys. I really.

[Jake Shane]

I know you're like, if you were this. I was like, I think I am that.

[Lizzo]

Oh, my God.

[Jake Shane]

I know.

[Lizzo]

Water.

[Jake Shane]

Air.

[Lizzo]

Air. But then, like, the Scorpio is also at multiple signs because it's the Phoenix.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, it is.

[Lizzo]

So you have all this duality in your big three. Are you grounded by anything? Do you have. What's your Venus?

[Jake Shane]

No, I have no idea. I'm not grounded by anything.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

Like anything. I'm constantly in my head, in the air, like, I don't know.

[Lizzo]

Wow. And one thing about Scorpios, they always have, like, like really glassy eyes.

[Jake Shane]

Like, I think I do have glassy eyes.

[Lizzo]

Glassy and watery. And it's just like, just beautiful, though.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, thank you.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. Like, almost like. Like a doll's, you know, like it has like little glass. Glass.

[Jake Shane]

Yes. Yes.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. But the Gemini. Maybe you don't give me Scorpio at all, but maybe that's because all. The Gemini.

[Jake Shane]

It's the Gemini. The Gemini is so overwhelming.

[Lizzo]

And the Gemini is this.

[Jake Shane]

It's how I can talk to people.

[Lizzo]

You made it work for you.

[Jake Shane]

I did make it work for me.

[Lizzo]

And you have nothing in your chart that would indicate that you would make it work for you. Everything in your chart would indicate that you would.

[Jake Shane]

I'm so sorry.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. That. That it wouldn't work.

[Jake Shane]

Right, Right.

[Lizzo]

But. But here you are.

[Jake Shane]

Here I am.

[Lizzo]

Air and water. A hurricane.

[Jake Shane]

It's a.

[Lizzo]

I know.

[Jake Shane]

It's Hurricane Jake.

[Lizzo]

Oh, wow.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

But what's. So what's your life like? What's every day like? Like what?

[Jake Shane]

It's like you would look at it and be like, what are you so happy? You have an incredible life. You have incredible friends. And I find problems in everything.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

I could find a problem in this. This side of the chair. Like anything.

[Lizzo]

Am I, Am I. Scorpio is like dark sided.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

So you have like a kind of macabre mind net. Well, not your mind because it's not your moon, but your nature is a little. You can. You can go to the dark side, but because of that Gemini moon, you're. You have a thirst for knowledge. You know what I mean?

[Jake Shane]

You like.

[Lizzo]

Or you. You're like a sponge. You'll absorb a lot of that.

[Jake Shane]

Makes sense. I'm that way with, like, female musicians. I have like a whole, like, thing on it. But like that. Like, I'm pop culture.

[Lizzo]

Okay.

[Jake Shane]

Like, I know everything. And there is to know about pop culture and female musicians from the 90s and the 2000s, the 80s, the everything.

[Lizzo]

Like, are you kind of like a genius when it comes to pop culture?

[Jake Shane]

No, I just, like, sure, I. I'm, like, very, very, very, very, very into it. I grew up on it. Like, I wasn't, like, into knowledge in school, like, in math or whatever, but, like, I was. I'm very into, like, pop culture. Like, that's the knowledge I absorb. Or I love, like, throwing myself into a television show.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

And, like. And specifically ones that. With your head, like.

[Lizzo]

What?

[Jake Shane]

There's a show? Well, right. Have you ever seen the Leftovers?

[Lizzo]

No.

[Jake Shane]

Okay, so right now I'm watching the Leftovers. It's.

[Lizzo]

It sounds delicious.

[Jake Shane]

It's.

[Lizzo]

I love leftovers.

[Jake Shane]

Okay, so same. About what type of show do you like?

[Lizzo]

My mind. I don't.

[Jake Shane]

I have a. Oh, right. Because you were saying as a kid, you didn't watch tv. Really?

[Lizzo]

When I do. When I do watch tv, I can only watch one show at a time. It's normally reality TV or a really good show. So I can watch RuPaul's Drag Race. I watch, like, Real Housewives type shit.

[Jake Shane]

I love.

[Lizzo]

Now because I am watching one television show, I can't watch the other ones. I'm watching Severance.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, I just finished. I just finished. Or have you. Are you caught up?

[Lizzo]

I'm all the way caught the fuck up. And I. And I'm. And I'm angry.

[Jake Shane]

I'm angry, too.

[Lizzo]

I was like, what the helly are. What the hell are they?

[Jake Shane]

I remember watching Helena in my room, and I was like, fuck. That was a hard ending.

[Lizzo]

That was a hard one. It was mostly because, like, where the. Y' all running?

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too.

[Lizzo]

Why are you running? Where the are you going?

[Jake Shane]

What is that from?

[Lizzo]

It's a Bali. It's a Nollywood movie.

[Jake Shane]

Yes.

[Lizzo]

What is. She's like, ah. He said, why are you running? Where are you going? Like, what the. We. Where y' all going? Be gorgeous gowns. Beautiful.

[Jake Shane]

Gorgeous. I was like.

[Lizzo]

I knew it was film because the way that the lighting was kind of like, so smattering on the walls, I was like, wow, they shot this in film. Good for them. But where the y' all going? And why the. How did Milkshake first of all, not get out the door? Let's start there, right? Because all of a sudden, he joined the Marvel Universe, right, And had super powers, right? He could fly in the air and, like, Chung Li kick the goddamn thing, whatever it was. So why the. You couldn't get it open.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

How you couldn't get it open? Milkshake.

[Jake Shane]

And it was.

[Lizzo]

I was mad.

[Jake Shane]

It was just. That was a tough, tough, tough ending. You know who I love in that show? That some people are like, how do you love her? But Patricia Arquette's character. What's her name? Cobell. You don't.

[Lizzo]

I love her.

[Jake Shane]

I think she's such a bad bitch.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. I think she's such a bad bitch. I'm obsessed with her.

[Lizzo]

Here's the thing about Cobel. Here's my problem with Cobell. Oh, here's the. Here's what I love about Patricia Arquette. Great at playing a villain, huh? Because when I say I don't like Cobell, and we're not supposed to like Cobell. Great job, sweetie.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Give her her flowers.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

Because it's hard to play, like, a villain and then also, like, have people, like, a divisive villain now, people have, like, sympathy for her. Great job, honey. Back to the character. So we take the. The personal all out of it.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

Her inventing severance did nothing for the plot. You think it did nothing for the plot this season? Maybe. Maybe it's teed up for next season, but it did nothing for me.

[Jake Shane]

Okay, I see what you mean. For me, the way I took it was like, that's. It was. It explained why she was the way she was and why she had that crash out in season one and why she is so angry and so filled with passion is because she was such a loyal follower of Kier and to. And it made that line when Helena looked at her and was like, I think you've underestimated your contributions. It's like, no, she was the contribution.

[Lizzo]

Right.

[Jake Shane]

So I think, to me, when I saw that, I was like. Like, ah. But I. It wasn't as big of, like, a. As I thought.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. I wasn't truly gagged.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Or did I think I. I thought she just had a crush on Marquez.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

It really gave. Like, I'm obsessed with him.

[Jake Shane]

I think so.

[Lizzo]

And I. And I love her being obsessed with him because, you know, make that something right. We still don't know why the Mark S is important. I don't know why he's important. I don't. We don't know whether.

[Jake Shane]

I don't get it.

[Lizzo]

Nobody knows what is.

[Jake Shane]

What is the. What's Cold harbor for? I don't understand. Like, what. What were they. What were they gaining?

[Lizzo]

You have plenty of fodder for season three to bait us with Cobell. Inventing It. I don't actually think I needed to know who invented severance.

[Jake Shane]

Okay.

[Lizzo]

I don't think I needed to know that. It's weird. It's mysterious and important, and I'm cool with that. But now it's like, Cobell made it up, and I don't even really with her like that. I don't even with sh. Like that. But shout out to Patricia Arquette for playing a great character. Milkshake is one of my favorite. My favorite milkshake. I know. It's Milkshake.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Milkshake is one of my favorite characters, like, written, like.

[Jake Shane]

More depth to him. I'd love more depth to him next season.

[Lizzo]

Oh, it's in his. He got deep on this season, but he got deep on. On the. On the other end of the spectrum, where it's like, actually, I'm not rooting for you anymore.

[Jake Shane]

I want his personal life. I want to see what it's like when he goes home.

[Lizzo]

Why the. You got a motorcycle, right? How do you dress? How. Well, he doesn't have an innie, so technically he's always his Audi. But it's like, what do you do? Like, what do you dress like? Right. But they don't force you to wear those stupid shirts, right? Because, like, he's got a sense of style, and when he has control, he be. He'd be stepping on necks. Like the outfit that they had when they were in the, like, woods. The big fur.

[Jake Shane]

Yes.

[Lizzo]

You better. So I. I think, think they are going to expand on that. We've been seeing him, like, crack a little bit, and I love it.

[Jake Shane]

Me, too. I love when he cracks.

[Lizzo]

Devour feculence.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, that.

[Lizzo]

I was like, oh, I know.

[Jake Shane]

So you're in the market for a new show, though?

[Lizzo]

I am in the market. My mom is trying to pitch me. Boy.

[Jake Shane]

What? What is she pitching you?

[Lizzo]

There's a show on Netflix. It's called. Oh, God, is it. It's got. It's got Crazy Eyes from Orange is the new black. Ms. Uzo.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. I love her.

[Lizzo]

No, that show was insane.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, that show was the first show I ever saw on Netflix. Wow. Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Wait, was it mine, too?

[Jake Shane]

And I love. Oh, my God. There is this song that they used in the trailer by. I'm telling you, I love animals. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's. Oh, my God. Louise, will you do me a big favor and look up Orange's new Black Season 1 trailer song? This song changed my life. Yes.

[Lizzo]

Songs that changed your life for 500, Alex. Because that's that's a big one. Like, it is. I want to hear the song. So this song changed your life, but is there another, like, definitive song that just like.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

I've never been the same since hearing.

[Jake Shane]

I have a few and I'd like to hear yours after as well. Okay. So mine is the Archer by Taylor Swift.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

Because hearing such a superstar, I had never heard her, you know, I heard her talk about relationships and. And, you know, herself and stuff, but I could never relate to the relationship stuff. But the Archer felt very. She had come off of that very tumultuous time in her life. And it was very self reflective in the sense that, like, sometimes I don't know if I'm the villain. Sometimes I have been the villain.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

And sometimes I've been the victim.

[Lizzo]

I feel like she plays with that theme really well.

[Jake Shane]

Really well. And it's like, oh, my God. Hearing one of the biggest superstars in the entire world sit there and say, like, sometimes I rock and sometimes I suck and sometimes I don't know who's gonna stay because some. Because I don't know who can deal with the in between. And I remember exactly where I was when I heard it too. I remember exactly where I was. And I was. I was waiting for the B or the C train on 110th Street.

[Lizzo]

Big new York.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. And I was like, oh, my God, Taylor Swift has a new song.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

And it's changed my life ever since. And then I think another song that changed my. I think that's it. I think that's the real, real one that I'm trying. You know, I have a playlist. When you grab my phone, it's called.

[Lizzo]

Songs that change my life.

[Jake Shane]

It's called I Love. So every time I say a song comes on the radio and I'm like, I love that song.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

I'll add it because I got the idea because my friend was like, it was a gratitude practice. And she's like, whenever I say I love something, I just write it down. So it's like you can look back on it. But I do it with music. There's a song from the Strokes called Someday.

[Lizzo]

Oh, my God, I love that song.

[Jake Shane]

That I can't relate to the lyrics.

[Lizzo]

The Strokes actually inspired love in real life.

[Jake Shane]

Really?

[Lizzo]

D major chord.

[Jake Shane]

Yes, yes.

[Lizzo]

Strokes, baby.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, my God, I love the Strokes. I love the Strokes.

[Lizzo]

Nobody like them. Oh, that's like dance on the couch music.

[Jake Shane]

Someday is. I remember because similar to how I found you when you were on the lineup for Coachella, I was going to governor's Ball. And I was trying to listen to the whole LineUp. It was 2016, literally, and 16, it was gov Ball, and the Strokes were headlining. And I was like, I've never heard the Strokes. And I played someday. And I was like, God.

[Lizzo]

Oh, my God.

[Jake Shane]

It changed my life. It changed my life.

[Lizzo]

Oh, now we have to go to concerts. That change. I'll say song that changed my life. Crazy in love.

[Jake Shane]

Really?

[Lizzo]

By Beyonce, obviously.

[Jake Shane]

Greatest.

[Lizzo]

Like, my heart's too. I'm such a psycho.

[Jake Shane]

No, you're not.

[Lizzo]

Listen, we have, like, we stay in the same, like, decade in glam. So every day in glam, we just stay between. Between like 2000 and we stay between like 98 and 2000 and like 8 or whatever. Anyway, when that. When that plays, my heart still races and I have to go, yes. So crazy right now. So I know it changed my brain chemistry. Now concerts, I. I have a concert.

[Jake Shane]

What's concert changed your life?

[Lizzo]

Damn it. It's Destiny's Child.

[Jake Shane]

You saw Destiny's Child?

[Lizzo]

I saw Destiny's Child. Oh. Yep.

[Jake Shane]

I went through a huge phase with them when I was in, like, sixth grade.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

And I was like, let me cater to you.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. Like, that was like my fifth grade. Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

And I saw them and. But I will say that wasn't a concert. They. It was like a promotional show outside of a Walmart on Dunville in Houston, Texas. So it wasn't like, I gotta.

[Jake Shane]

I'll.

[Lizzo]

Let me come up with a better concert. You. You first, though.

[Jake Shane]

I have a few. I have moments in concerts that changed my life because I have really hard time like. Like picking one Jamie XX Gov ball, same year, 2016, and he did a remix of don't you want me baby. And I just remember being like, wow. Then I saw the Weeknd and he did. God, what was it? I think he was scared to live or. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was. It was after Hours. Or. What's the. What's the one song. Yeah, it was after Hours. He has a song called after hours, right? Yeah, it was. It was after Hours. And that sounds like a weekend title.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

Was me and my best friend Alice's song. And I even record it and we were just screaming it, and it was like the best. Best moment ever. Also, when I saw Taylor Swift, she played dress as the surprise song. And dress wasn't even one of my favorite songs. And, like, not even close. And she said, say my name and everything just stops and the entire stadium dead silent.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

And I remember being like, oh, that's what this is about.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

I love live music.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Oh, yeah. Okay. I have my concert. That was like, soul shattering, life changing, brain opening I saw. So mind you, d' Angelo is like, see, how does it feel? He was just like a massive R B star. Then he disappeared for, like, years and years and years and years. He came back with a resurgence album, like, I'm telling you, like, 20 years later type. And before that album, though, he did a show at First Avenue in Minneapolis, which is, like, where Purple Rain was filmed, where, like, Prince played all the time. He did a show there, and it was just him in quest love on the drums.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, wow.

[Lizzo]

And they just, like, freestyled a whole concert and I lost my. At that. I was like, what is happening?

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

You can literally. It just. It just made you love, like, being a musician.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

And being an instrumentalist and just, like, being in the free flow of things. I was like, this is sick. Watching two, like, masters just play.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

Was fire. I also seen that with Erica Badu. She, like, hosted an award show in Dallas that I went to once on a whim with my friend. And she just was like, hey, y' all, like, I'm hosting. But then at the end, she was like, man, this. Let's do a concert. And she did a whole just off the dome concert. I love that. That might be my favorite moments, like, off the cuff.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

Just like freedom of expression moments.

[Jake Shane]

Right. I. I don't think I've ever. I don't think I've ever gotten to see someone do that. I really. I really do want to.

[Lizzo]

We can do it right now. You first.

[Jake Shane]

L is on therapist. We are going off the dome. She is in light blue and she's here.

[Lizzo]

Yep.

[Jake Shane]

Your turn.

[Lizzo]

Okay. Jake, Shane, I'm here on therapist. Cause in you I do trust. Oh, I got. Wait, it's so bad. I actually had the best bars. And then once I hopped in off beat, I was.

[Jake Shane]

I'm like, huffing and puffing.

[Lizzo]

I was. From the jump. It's like double Dutch when you like, oh, I got the rhythm. And then when you. You gotta get the rhythm or you're. That was fun.

[Jake Shane]

That was fun. Do you want to get into the Tell me what's wrongs? Wait, do I not. Can I not speak today? Do you want to get into the Tell me what's wrongs?

[Lizzo]

I love this.

[Jake Shane]

Yes.

[Lizzo]

Oh, my God.

[Jake Shane]

Before. Before we get into this, you said you were in the market for a new show. I know your mom is trying to put you on something. If you want to start a show that I'm currently just starting. It's called the Leftovers.

[Lizzo]

Oh, that's right.

[Jake Shane]

It is fucking phenomenal.

[Lizzo]

What's it about?

[Jake Shane]

Okay, so it's about as if the Rapture happened and shut the up. 170 million people from Earth disappear. And it's about three years later, and it's about a small town in New York and, like, how they're dealing with it. Like, and it's about grief and, like, religion and, like, faith and, like, it is so well done. It is incredible.

[Lizzo]

You had me at rapture.

[Jake Shane]

Yes. No, no. I'm telling you, it is because I.

[Lizzo]

Loved the Good Place.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, I've never seen the Good Place.

[Lizzo]

It's very. That.

[Jake Shane]

Okay, I need to see it.

[Lizzo]

Camp.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, it's funny. I know the whole. The. It's the. Oh, we're in the Bad Place.

[Lizzo]

Ah, then don't watch it.

[Jake Shane]

I know. That's what I'm saying.

[Lizzo]

No point. Like, God, you had to be there. Wow. When that first came out, I was like, what's up? Like, way my brain was all over the walls. I was like, how did they put, like, television just. They don't do it like that no more. Do you know what I mean? So for them to be able to pull that off in a social media era was insane.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, you know the time. I really, really felt that way. Have you ever seen the Jinx on hbo?

[Lizzo]

No.

[Jake Shane]

Okay, So I don't. I really. You know what? I don't want to spoil it. Just watch the Jinx. But I watch. Keep in mind, if you do watch it, I watched this in real time. You know what? The Jinx. Oh, my God. Okay, So I watched this in real time. The final, like, 30 seconds of the finale of season one. I was like, how am I? Like, how is the world's going to go on tomorrow?

[Lizzo]

Yeah, like, that's how that is, given. She's alive.

[Jake Shane]

Yes. I was just thinking that.

[Lizzo]

Crazy.

[Jake Shane]

That was the best season finale of any show I've seen ever. Ever. I think.

[Lizzo]

No, they were.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, they was the best.

[Lizzo]

Best season of television.

[Jake Shane]

So good.

[Lizzo]

Honestly, ever.

[Jake Shane]

It was so good. And I also watched that in real time. And I remember being like, my best friend Brett was also watching. I was like, you have to watch the finale right now.

[Lizzo]

Yeah, no, I had a whole season too. I, you know, I hopped up late. Severance train late. Yeah, it's all good.

[Jake Shane]

Do you watch yellow jackets?

[Lizzo]

I don't watch tv.

[Jake Shane]

Okay.

[Lizzo]

Remember, I watch one show every year, but I try. Sounds really good.

[Jake Shane]

Try the leftovers. And I personally love it. And, like, I just think it's fascinating.

[Lizzo]

Okay.

[Jake Shane]

Went on a date with this guy that my friend set me up with. It's all. It all seemed normal until he started asking weird questions like, what's your blood type? What's your escape plan if you're in danger? I thought they were just quirky, but things got weirder when he handed me a note at the end that said, the mission is complete. Destroy all evidence and never speak again. Then he just left. Funny, but rude. How do I get my friends back for this?

[Lizzo]

All right. That was a lot to unpack because.

[Jake Shane]

I honestly don't get it.

[Lizzo]

Mission complete. Destroy. Did they set him up with. Oh, it was a joke.

[Jake Shane]

I don't understand. I would kill if my friend set me up on a joke date.

[Lizzo]

They're not your friends.

[Jake Shane]

They're not your friends. They're actively not your friend.

[Lizzo]

And it also depends, like, where you're at in your life. Like, are you, like, going through it right now? Are you like, oh, it's so hard to find love? Like, and then they. Then it's like, oh, finally my friends hooked me up with this nice guy and I haven't been on a date in months and I've had. I've had this horrible heartbreak. And then he asks you your blood type and you find out it was all a joke and they're laughing at you behind your back.

[Jake Shane]

Not friends.

[Lizzo]

Not friends.

[Jake Shane]

I just feel like romance is so. Oh, God, it's so, like, sensitive.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

And like, to have someone with that is like, yeah, because it's not a.

[Lizzo]

Friend with your feelings, but it also with your self esteem. Like, if somebody don't text me back, even somebody I've been in love with for five years and I've been with him for five years, if he doesn't text me back, I'm like. Like, he hates me, right? And it's like. And I know he loves me, so it's like, no, I. How do you get them back? Never speak to them again.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

How do you get them back? Unfollow them. Block, block, block.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

That ain't your friend.

[Jake Shane]

It's not. They're not your friends.

[Lizzo]

No. I hate to say that to this person because they're real and they're watching this and that's a bummer, but.

[Jake Shane]

Well, it's true. Truth hurts.

[Lizzo]

Somebody got. Okay.

[Jake Shane]

I'm having anxiety because I threw my drink at a guy in front of all of our mutual friends when I was on Spring Break. Last week, my ex boyfriend and I hung out, and he told me I was perfect and the only girl he wanted to be with. We hooked up. The next day at the pool, I saw him making out with another girl. So I confronted him later. As they are making out the pool, I threw my drink on them. Am I overreacting?

[Lizzo]

Ah, this is tough because violence is never the answer. I know, but the girl didn't deserve.

[Jake Shane]

The girl didn't deserve it. And I feel bad for the girl. The guy. Like, I love a good drink throw. I grew up watching reality television, so I, like, love a good drink.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. I've experienced someone I knew throw a drink on someone I knew. And me too. I felt so bad for him.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, I didn't.

[Lizzo]

It wasn't like. But he didn't. He was just there.

[Jake Shane]

Okay.

[Lizzo]

You know?

[Jake Shane]

Well, I didn't know the person that the drink was thrown on. The guy was being an asshole. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Lizzo]

Being an. Get your drink thrown on you.

[Jake Shane]

Right. Okay, so. But you knew both parties.

[Lizzo]

Were they together?

[Jake Shane]

Well, he did tell her she was the only girl he would want.

[Lizzo]

Oh, then. Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

And it's like. And then he's making out with someone the next day. Toss.

[Lizzo]

I would say it was. I. Oh, what is it? The anxiety? I would have anxiety for, like, a year.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

The girl didn't deserve it, but the guy. You know what? Don't lie. This is what happens when you lie.

[Jake Shane]

Agree.

[Lizzo]

I hate people who lie.

[Jake Shane]

Me too. I actually. I can't lie. I. I have so much anxiety. I think it's because I have really bad, like, OCD that I over, like, explain myself and over tell the truth.

[Lizzo]

Like. Yes.

[Jake Shane]

Get so anxious about lying.

[Lizzo]

Yes. Same, same.

[Jake Shane]

Because I'm like, oh, my God, I feel guilty.

[Lizzo]

Yes. I don't even do it because I feel so bad. You know, At a certain point, it's like, oh, I. I don't want to drink gin anymore because I get so bad. Badly hungover. So you just stopped drinking gin? I don't even lie anymore because the. The lie over whatever a hangover for lying is, is. It's hell.

[Jake Shane]

It's so bad.

[Lizzo]

So now it's just like, how does she recover from, like, the anxiety and the shame that she probably, like. Because she'll probably just be having, like, a good day. Like, let me go get, like, one of them new matches. I'm gonna go get a lavender matcha. And she out getting a lavender matcha. And then she gets, like, attacked by the memory. Like, I'll be having a Great day. And I get attacked by memories out of, like, randomly. So, like, what does she do? How does she get through that part? Because I think that's going to be the hardest part. It's mind over matter.

[Jake Shane]

Okay? Because I think it's 50. 50 for her, right? So 50 was good. Like, you threw the drink on the guy. 50 was bad. You threw the drink on the girl. So bask in the. In the negative first and be like, oh, I did that when it. When the memory hits you, and then be like, but I also did that, right? You know what I mean?

[Lizzo]

I did that.

[Jake Shane]

You know what I mean? Like, so. Yeah, exactly.

[Lizzo]

It's like, you're young. You live, you learn, and then you move forward.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

What are you going to do, live in the past forever? I'm a. I'm a monk. Yeah. I don't even like to raise my voice.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, I do.

[Lizzo]

Really?

[Jake Shane]

Guilty as charged. Like. Like, well, not, like, raise my voice, but, like, I get very, very passionate. Like, you talk about. Talk about choosing battles. Like, I am like, okay, which battle today? Like, I want this one, this one, this one, and this one.

[Lizzo]

And then I think that people might hate me because I'm that person who gets calmer as. As things get more and more intense, you know, that person who's calm. It's like, oh, you think you're better than me because you're not mad because you're calm. I'm that person who's just like, okay, right. I heard what you said. I'm gonna internalize it. And let's just. Let's talk about this at another time, right? I'm that girl, which probably it makes people more mad.

[Jake Shane]

Well, being calm when someone's not matching your passion and your anger, like, but.

[Lizzo]

It'S so crazy because my. My boyfriend is really calm, huh? And you know, when you're in love, you get emotional, Like, And I will be like. And he's, like, really calm. And I'm like, this is a taste of my own medicine.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

It is insane. I just don't like the feeling of being that hot. I feel like my head's gonna pop. You ever feel like that? Like when you're on a roller coaster and you're screaming, I feel like my head is gonna pop. So terrified.

[Jake Shane]

I feel like my head is gonna pop. Like, I always feel like, you give him pop.

[Lizzo]

That was so funny.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, yeah.

[Lizzo]

Okay.

[Jake Shane]

All right.

[Lizzo]

Next thing, before both of our heads pop, it's hot as in here.

[Jake Shane]

Okay. Do you want the fan on?

[Lizzo]

Oh, no, it's okay.

[Jake Shane]

Are you sure?

[Lizzo]

No, I'm committed to the bid. I want the good sound.

[Jake Shane]

Okay. I'm so sick of speed dating apps, but I don't know how to. Else. I don't know how else to find a boyfriend. Please help.

[Lizzo]

Okay, first off, what the is a speed dating app?

[Jake Shane]

That. I don't know, but I. I assume she just means all dating apps. I. That's. That's the only way I can find love.

[Lizzo]

I wholeheartedly disagree. I don't think you can find love on a dating app.

[Jake Shane]

Okay. And you've heard. Sorry, I just interrupted you.

[Lizzo]

I. No, please interrupt me.

[Jake Shane]

No, no, no, Go.

[Lizzo]

I have a theory. Actually, I don't have a theory. I have a. A philosophy, if you will. Dating apps are for hookup culture.

[Jake Shane]

It is.

[Lizzo]

And hookup culture only. That's why men love it and women.

[Jake Shane]

Yes, no, hate it. And that's why it's so toxic, especially in the gay community, because it's, like, from both sides, and it's like you're literally, like, you're not even speaking to someone.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

But for me, I. I have this, like, constant fear that, like, everyone's always making fun of me, which has gotten a lot worse since I've pursued a career, like, in, like, of the public eye. Even though it's not, like, crazy crazy anything. Like, I still feel anxious, like, when I'm at a bar. Like, I'm always scared that someone is going to, like, take a photo and be like, can you. Can you believe he's trying to flirt with me?

[Lizzo]

Right, right, right.

[Jake Shane]

Can you believe? Like, I'm like, lol. Like, you know what I mean? And so I'm like, I can't meet anybody. I feel. I. I feel like I can. I only have dating apps.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

Which is hard.

[Lizzo]

Crazy. I got kicked off a hinge for impersonating a celebrity.

[Jake Shane]

It was me. Are you.

[Lizzo]

Wait.

[Jake Shane]

I just came with me. Same with me. The same thing happened with me.

[Lizzo]

Hey, baby. I had a time, but I was only on hinge to prove a point. Like, I was like, listen, let me show you I can. And I got, like, so many guys. I got so many guys numbers. It was, like, so quick and easy because I followed the hookup culture rules.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

The. I want to be in love with you and, like, have a real relationship. Rules do not work on dating apps.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

I truly believe the best way to find love and is when you are in a path of bettering yourself. And I know that sounds so cliche, and I used to fake it. I used to Pretend like I'm not looking for love. I'm just trying to better myself and hope that a man falls in my lap. No, you have to really be on that path and really be good. You have to be like, oh my gosh. Actually don't mind being alone. I actually love the thought of just like it's me for the rest of my life and then boom. Love like fucking comes out of nowhere. But it's always on your path of bettering yourself. Because when you're on the path of self destruction and it's dark, do you really want to meet somebody on that road? I don't want to meet somebody on self destruction boulevard.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

I want to meet somebody on this is my life path I'm bettering myself avenue.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

You know what I mean?

[Jake Shane]

Yes, exactly.

[Lizzo]

So that's the best place to find real love. If you want to hook up with somebody and also hook up with somebody, you have to realize that they're hooking up with a ton of other people. Go to a dating app.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

If you want to get over somebody, get under somebody else, use the dating app.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

But if you're looking for love, that's not the place. I do believe that love happens on dating apps. Don't blanket state and me. The Internet will blanket statement A. They'll take a two second clip. You can find love. But I think that that is a exception to the rule.

[Jake Shane]

I think if you are going to use dating apps like I do, the key is take it offline. Like, are we gonna meet for a date? Are we gonna meet for a drink or not?

[Lizzo]

But see, sorry, that's hookup culture rules for me as a, as a woman.

[Jake Shane]

Yes. Okay.

[Lizzo]

We, we're like, we're always constantly having to protect ourselves and yeah.

[Jake Shane]

100.

[Lizzo]

Oh God. And so a lot of times we'll stall in the app just to be like, I need to make sure this person is safe.

[Jake Shane]

100.

[Lizzo]

I'm not in danger. Then you're like, can I even give him my number? Because stranger danger. Then you have to trust that. And then once you have their number and you're talking for a while in the text, then it's like, okay, do I feel safe enough to see this person in person?

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

But what I was doing was following hookup culture rules, which is very like, all right, all this app. What's your number?

[Jake Shane]

Right, Right.

[Lizzo]

Get their number. All right. When we link it up, link up. Go get lunch. You know what I mean? I was doing that and I found that I had results. But that's it's insanity, right?

[Jake Shane]

I think I really liked what you said about the self betterment because it's true. And I actually feel like can absorb that information and really know that as not cliche and true. Like, especially this year, like, if you told me that last year, I'd be like, okay, like, okay, like, you know what I mean? But I really do believe it. And it's also. And that goes for like all aspects of life, right? Like when you're happy, like, the things that you always want will find you. So like when you were truly happy, then your major big break came. Right? And like that's like how. Because you enter that brief period of like just attracting people want to be around you and people want what you have. So I, I think that's great advice.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. I mean, and it works. I think I can only give it like confidently, this confidently. Because I'm like, I've seen results, I've seen it work. And I'm also seeing it not work. I see what doesn't work. You know what I mean? I've dealt with the dating apps and I have friends who deal with dating apps and we get like stuck in a holding pattern being like, well, he didn't text me back because I texted him. And then it's like, well, he didn't say, let's link up. And I'm not gonna say let's link up, you know, and so you kind of get like stuck in this pattern and it gets like redundant and you're just like, ah, it gets very stale. So I don't know. I do think that you can find a relationship on a dating app. Let me say that.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

And I think that sometimes it goes really well. Sometimes it's a here for a season, you know, gone for a reason. So I don't want to discourage you personally. I think that if you're on the apps, also be pursuing the best version of yourself. And I think the app can be a tool to attract a good partner.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

Who knows?

[Jake Shane]

I think we killed that advice, period. Yeah, we did. Eyes.

[Lizzo]

Oh my God, I'm so scared.

[Jake Shane]

No, I know. I have to do. I know. I know. My guy friend will consistently flirt with me and lead me on to the point point where multiple people have asked me what we are and I started to question it myself and then proceed to introduce me to every girl he's talking to. He will also invite me to things and not leave my side when he's single. But as soon as he's with another girl, he'll Invite me. So I'm around but won't talk to me at all. I hate mixed signals and psychotic men. Help.

[Lizzo]

He's a master manipulator. Get a boyfriend immediately. Yeah, get a man. Or. Or honestly, because that's my petty advice is get a boyfriend and. And watch him act.

[Jake Shane]

Act up, because he will.

[Lizzo]

He's gonna act the up. But don't get a boyfriend just to piss him off. But you can get anybody you want. You can. You can get any man you want. Boo. Where you. Where's my camera? Where's my camera? Camera, too. You can get any man you want. Boo. Go out there, get you a man, and. And. And pay him no mind. It's gonna. It's gonna drive him crazy. But you also need to. I always learned that you have to show people how to treat you. So if you want him to treat you with respect and stop manipulating you, then show him who the you are. I'm your friend. We're nothing more than that. Unless you want to be more than that. You didn't add that to the statement, so I'm assuming you don't want to be more than that. No, I think she questioned it.

[Jake Shane]

I think she does. I would prescribe Tell me Lies season two because. But as an example of what not to do once you get that new relationship. Have you seen.

[Lizzo]

I would. I. Oh, I don't know. I would. Oh, I don't know. I would. I would get. I would get with someone else. Yeah, I'll just get with someone else. It's your guy friend. He's, like, up. The sanctity of this. Of the. Of the trust, the bond.

[Jake Shane]

I hate that feeling.

[Lizzo]

I hate it, too, actually.

[Jake Shane]

Like, wait, are you flirting with me?

[Lizzo]

Stop.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, but also.

[Lizzo]

Keep going.

[Jake Shane]

Keep going. Oh, no, it's horrible.

[Lizzo]

And then because you're friends first, you're like, oh, my God, this is a fairy tale. Like, this could, like, really. He could be the one.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, it's like, 13 going on 30.

[Lizzo]

I had a friends to lovers trope.

[Jake Shane]

Really?

[Lizzo]

And I.

[Jake Shane]

With your current boyfriend.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. And I love it.

[Jake Shane]

Wait, tell me more.

[Lizzo]

Oh, my God. We were. We both worked on this TV show for mtv. I was the music girl, he was the comedy guy. And, like, we were just. I was like, he's my best friend. I don't. I didn't have any, like, guy friends like that. I did because, you know, I'm in the music industry, but I was like, wow, I can really talk to him. And we had this, like, crazy bond for years, and then I do love that we were friends first. And like, so that means we can talk about anything.

[Jake Shane]

Right? You know he's your best friend.

[Lizzo]

Literally.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

So I hate that he's doing this to her because, like, that is low key. Like a fantasy.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

It's like a booktok dream to be like, oh my God. Like, he was my best friend and then one day he just looked at me differently.

[Jake Shane]

Right, Right.

[Lizzo]

But I don't like that he's being manipulative about it now. He's. From, from our perspective, he's being manipulative. Let me step into his shoes. Let me step into his Louboutins and see what the he's going through. Because maybe he's fighting his feelings for her and maybe he's like, if I show other girls, show her other girls, will she get jealous?

[Jake Shane]

Maybe.

[Lizzo]

I don't know how she feels about me.

[Jake Shane]

Yes.

[Lizzo]

But I think it's still manipulative. It is, but it might be kind of cute if it's working. I know that's cute. If it's. If. Oh, if that's the reason, if that's the why. I think the best way to solve it is to flirt with another guy, get with another guy and see how he reacts. And then y' all are gonna have to have the talk. I know.

[Jake Shane]

I'm so excited for her.

[Lizzo]

Me too.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, I'm so excited for her.

[Lizzo]

Good times.

[Jake Shane]

Good times. I'm pregnant and the baby's due in a month. Wow.

[Lizzo]

Amazing segue.

[Jake Shane]

I. I live with my dad, but haven't told him yet. Just wearing very baggy clothes all the time and hiding it.

[Lizzo]

I'm sorry, wait, the baby's coming in one month and her daddy don't know?

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. And she lives with him and she's just wearing very baggy clothes.

[Lizzo]

How baggy are the clothes? We're talking. Okay.

[Jake Shane]

Bags.

[Lizzo]

Yeah, we're talking like Balenciaga lie.

[Jake Shane]

Yes. Yes. It's complicated between me and my partner. My dad doesn't know that either. How do I break all of this to him?

[Lizzo]

You know, this is how you do it. This is your cran. Say hello to your beautiful grandbaby.

[Jake Shane]

That's crazy. That's a month out and he doesn't know.

[Lizzo]

I mean, at this point. At this point, just. Baby, that's your friend, baby. Now it's like, oh, yeah, this is my. My friend just had a baby. Okay. It's like, because why are you afraid to tell him? What kind of dad is he?

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

Super strict.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

Does he know that we're missing context. Active sexually.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

Do you know what I mean? Like, you can't hide a person. You can maybe hide a bump, but you can't hide a person hide a human. I don't know. Here's the thing. What's worse? Telling your dad whilst you're pregnant or telling your dad when the baby's here? What's gonna. What's gonna hit worse?

[Jake Shane]

To me, it's like, what's the safest route for you and the baby? The safest route is letting him know before. So he knows if your water breaks and you have to give birth. Yeah, he knows what to do.

[Lizzo]

Because you know what I was gonna say? It'd be a bummer for him to miss the birth. That would be a bummer. And you would regret him not being there for the rest of your life and the baby's life.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Lizzo]

So I would tell him now, and I guess part two of the question was, what's the best way? Yeah, you got to be sitting. You got to do it in a sitting way.

[Jake Shane]

Maybe sing to him like they do on Glee.

[Lizzo]

I would be like, you know those, like, videos of people, like, surprising their family with surprise. You know, I'm pregnant, and then the dads are crying. And if you can find, like, a really sentimental way to do it, I think it'll take the sting out of it, right? Maybe get, like, a cake. And it's like a big cake, and he cuts the cake in the middle, and you spread it open. It's like a little candy baby inside.

[Jake Shane]

I have an idea. Have you seen the tick tock trend when the person's like, breaking news to someone, and it's like, okay, everybody say, I got the roll on three. One, two, three. I got the roll. Say. Everybody say, I'm pregnant and the baby's doing one month, and I forgot to tell you, on three. One, two, three.

[Lizzo]

Actually, one of the worst ideas I've ever heard in my entire life, because you don't want to add the element of surprise and embarrassment.

[Jake Shane]

I know.

[Lizzo]

He's like, you're filming me.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

But if you're filming him, maybe he'll be like, oh, this is evidence. Let me not. I can't freak out. It's right.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

In a public place. Yeah, in a public place. Safety.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

Take him out to dinner. Take him out to dinner. There's people around. He can't truly crash out as badly as he would if you were alone and then be like, hey, something sweet's going down in here. Human being formed life. Mitochondria proteins, semen. Because that's the part he not with.

[Jake Shane]

Huh? Okay, I have two prescriptions, one in. But daddy, I love him. When Taylor Swift's like, I'm having his baby, and then she says, no, I'm not, but just pause the song.

[Lizzo]

Oh, wow.

[Jake Shane]

Before.

[Lizzo]

You are, like, full of, like, really bad ideas, but that's what makes you a genius.

[Jake Shane]

Thank you. Or. Or recreate Beyonce's Love on Top VMA performance. Oh, and you remember when she takes off her thing and rubs her belly?

[Lizzo]

You know, at first, sit your dad down and be like, hey, have you ever thought about being like a grandfather?

[Jake Shane]

All I'm thinking about right now is how I'm gonna doom scroll and, like, pick up my head up and I'm gonna be elderly.

[Lizzo]

Damn. We're being microwaved.

[Jake Shane]

We are.

[Lizzo]

We're being air fried.

[Jake Shane]

We literally are.

[Lizzo]

We were microwaved in, like, the early 2000s. Yeah, this is air fryer level. Like, it is delicious.

[Jake Shane]

One, two, three. Yeah, it's delicious, but, yeah, definitely not great.

[Lizzo]

Yeah, that's true. We're gonna look up and it's gonna literally be like, 2035.

[Jake Shane]

Makes me sick. It's post covet. I'm telling you. It's tick tock. It's post Covid.

[Lizzo]

Do you think that if we lived, like, in the world with no phones, would time slow down?

[Jake Shane]

Absolutely. Every day would feel like a year. You would. You would, like, you would appreciate things more. You'd be more present.

[Lizzo]

We touch grass.

[Jake Shane]

We would touch. We would. We would live in the grass and, like, we would be grass. Yeah. I've always. I mean, I've. I'm definitely addicted to my phone. I think. I think it is a real, real addiction. Yeah, like, addiction and.

[Lizzo]

Yes, same.

[Jake Shane]

And I think I don't even enjoy it anymore.

[Lizzo]

No, that's when you know it's an addiction where you're just like, oh, yeah, but what the am I doing?

[Jake Shane]

You know what else is a real addiction that Tick Tock introduced was that feeling of, like, virality and likes and like. Like that. It's such a. It's like it literally generates dopamine.

[Lizzo]

Yes. A lot of.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. And like, it's addicting. It's like there's gonna be rehab. There's gonna be phone rehabs.

[Lizzo]

Whoa. Let's invent them now and be millionaires.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. I will be the first patient.

[Lizzo]

Oh, my God. No, literally, that's how. I mean, that's how you do it. You got to do it for yourself first. Let's go to phone Rehab. And then let's.

[Jake Shane]

Let's.

[Lizzo]

Let's make phone rehabs all over America and then the world.

[Jake Shane]

Maybe I should get off my phone for a few days. I can't.

[Lizzo]

I'm about to throw my phone away. Come on. Still Bad by Lizzo. Who. Who said that? Who started sing. Who started promoting? Promoting a single? Who was that? Is there some sort of single promotion spirit in here?

[Jake Shane]

We prescribe so Bad by Lizzo to tell your dad that you're pregnant.

[Lizzo]

Oh, no. Worst song ever. Love. In real life, the baby is love. And then when you push the baby out, it'll be real life as God.

[Jake Shane]

I'm never going to listen to that song the same again. Now that you said it's inspired by the Strokes and that little. Okay, you ready for the final one?

[Lizzo]

Yes.

[Jake Shane]

My mom will full. My mom will full blown dirty text my dad right next to me like, all the time, and I can't stand it anymore. Just because I'm an adult does not mean I want to see that, Please.

[Lizzo]

I think that's so. You know what? This is so dark. But it's gonna be one of those things you miss when she's gone.

[Jake Shane]

It is true.

[Lizzo]

So just enjoy it.

[Jake Shane]

Just be like, I can't believe my mom does that.

[Lizzo]

Yeah. And be like, make it funny for yourself.

[Jake Shane]

And wouldn't you rather your parents be in love?

[Lizzo]

Hello. Oh. Oh. It's better than the alternative, right? Appreciation. Like, sit back and just like, appreciate it.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

And put yourself in someone else's. Some people's parents don't even talk to each other.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

And yours are, like, madly in love and passionately enjoying each other's words, texting, like teenagers.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Lizzo]

What are you ungrateful? I'm just kidding.

[Jake Shane]

No, but seriously. Seriously.

[Lizzo]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

And also, if you don't want to see it, don't.

[Lizzo]

Look, there's things about my mom that I'm like, mom. But I had to reframe that because now it's like, like, God, let me, like, cherish my mommy. Like, I have my mommy, right? And she's silly. She's a silly billy and she's quirky. And it's like these things that, like, you're. I think all kids, we're just like, programmed to be like, oh, leave me alone. You're so annoying to our parents. And, like, it never goes away. But it's just like, at a certain point, it's like, it's kind of cute, right? Find the cuteness in it, move forward. And also stop being so nosy. What is she. She not texting. You know what I'm saying? Like a big screen TV right in front of you. Like, right. She's texting on her phone. Mind your business.

[Jake Shane]

Business, Right.

[Lizzo]

Mind your grown business. Then, right. Mind you somebody to sext. And when your mama's sex and your daddy sexed that person 100. That I would do every time I'm like, you know what that reminds me.

[Jake Shane]

Eggplant.

[Lizzo]

Eggplant.

[Jake Shane]

Okay, so, first of all, I had the most incredible time with you today.

[Lizzo]

Me too.

[Jake Shane]

Thank you so much for coming.

[Lizzo]

Oh, I'm happy to be here.

[Jake Shane]

I am so happy.

[Lizzo]

We could literally do this all day if I weren't gonna, like, sweat my life away. Like, I literally have pits, pit sweat.

[Jake Shane]

Same I always do. I leave. I leave this studio drenched.

[Lizzo]

Wow.

[Jake Shane]

But, Lizzo, what did we learn today?

[Lizzo]

Oh, my God, we learned so much. I. You know what I learned? Sorry. On my own, that I am still growing and I'm still learning. And, like, that part of me that I was, like, mourning in 2019, I finally fully mourned her. And that's so exciting. I feel like a new girl. I feel lighter. I feel fresh.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

Thank you for helping me. You're like a therapist.

[Jake Shane]

Wait, did you not.

[Lizzo]

Oh. It was like a puzzle piece clicked in my brain.

[Jake Shane]

That felt amazing for me, too.

[Lizzo]

Whoa. What the.

[Jake Shane]

That was awesome. Wow.

[Lizzo]

No, that was better than sex. Better than sex.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, that's good to know. I haven't had that in so long. Thank you for being here.

[Lizzo]

I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me. This was so fun.

[Jake Shane]

Literally, this was. This will go down in history, I think.

[Lizzo]

You think so?

[Jake Shane]

Yes. This was awesome.

[Lizzo]

Oh, my God. Her historical.

[Jake Shane]

Historical.

[Lizzo]

How do we sign off?

[Jake Shane]

You. You. Okay, so you look in the camera and you say, bye. Oh, wait. Will this come out when the album is announced?

[Lizzo]

I didn't actually, really, like, personally announce it. It's just announced. But it is announced. I didn't do. I didn't do my big one. I have to do my big one.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Lizzo]

It was like a subliminal announce. I went around and was like, yes, because when we were supposed to announce it, I didn't know that because it was coming out with the video.

[Jake Shane]

You haven't announced it, so that's why.

[Lizzo]

I didn't make it a big deal.

[Jake Shane]

Okay, you should make it a big deal.

[Lizzo]

So I'm gonna make it a big deal.

[Jake Shane]

Make it a big deal right now.

[Lizzo]

Guess what? Breaking news. My album, Love in Real Life is not out yet, but but it will.

[Jake Shane]

Be out on what date?

[Lizzo]

Oh, the no date has been announced.

[Jake Shane]

It'll be out soon.

[Lizzo]

Out soon? Kind of.

[Jake Shane]

Okay, you want to give a little.

[Lizzo]

Bye bye and bye?