Session 85: The Kid Laroi

Summary

Therapuss with Jake Shane: Session 85 – The Kid Laroi

Release Date: July 24, 2025

In Session 85 of Therapuss with Jake Shane, host Jake Shane sits down with acclaimed Australian rapper and singer The Kid Laroi for an engaging and introspective conversation. The episode delves into The Kid Laroi’s personal journey, fitness routines, music career milestones, coping mechanisms for anxiety, and offers practical advice on various personal issues. Below is a comprehensive summary of their discussion, highlighting key points and notable quotes.

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Personal Updates and Life in Los Angeles

Jake Shane begins the session by sharing his recent move back to Los Angeles, expressing his enthusiasm for the city:

Jake Shane [00:10]: "I'm finally back in Los Angeles, which has just been unbelievable. Okay. This is my favorite city in the entire world."

The conversation briefly touches on Jake’s interest in the TV show Mr. Robot, setting a casual and relatable tone for the episode.

Fitness, Diet, and Mental Health

The discussion quickly shifts to the importance of fitness and diet in maintaining mental well-being. The Kid Laroi shares his disciplined approach to fitness:

The Kid Laroi [02:07]: "I've been going to the gym a lot, which is, like, a really cool thing for me. It's just the most discipline I've had when it comes to that stuff."

Jake relates by discussing his own workout routine and the impact of missing workouts on his mood:

Jake Shane [03:37]: "I feel like ... it's definitely cuz I didn't work out."

The duo emphasizes how structured routines and healthy habits contribute to their mental stability.

Reminiscing Past Experiences

Reflecting on shared memories, Jake and The Kid Laroi reminisce about past events, including hangouts and memorable parties:

Jake Shane [05:33]: "I want to say the last time you saw me was at both Streets." The Kid Laroi [05:37]: "It was a good meal."

They also recount Jake’s humorous anecdote about losing his backpack at the airport while intoxicated, highlighting the camaraderie and long-standing friendship between them.

Music Career and Major Milestones

A significant portion of the conversation centers around The Kid Laroi’s burgeoning music career. He elaborates on his collaborations and breakthrough moments:

The Kid Laroi [27:26]: "And I was like, bro, this is a smash. You got to put that out. Like, right."

Discussing his hit song "Stay," The Kid Laroi explains the collaborative process with Justin Bieber and the song’s rapid ascent to popularity:

The Kid Laroi [27:28]: "It was like, the craziest thing to watch."

He also touches upon his growth as an artist, mentioning his upcoming projects and the intentional shift towards more upbeat and danceable music:

The Kid Laroi [75:12]: "I wanted to make music that I could, like, play on a night out or something ... trying new things."

Navigating Through COVID-19

The Kid Laroi shares his personal experience with COVID-19, detailing the loss and recovery of his sense of smell and taste:

The Kid Laroi [29:15]: "After I was cleared of COVID it still took a while to get my smell back."

Jake relates by describing his own struggles during the illness and the challenges of adapting to the loss of these senses.

Live Performances and Inspirations

The conversation moves to live performances, where The Kid Laroi discusses his first headline show at Rolling Loud Miami and his admiration for Beyoncé’s intricate stage productions:

The Kid Laroi [12:18]: "She's also just, like, her stage presence is just insane."

They explore the differences between performing solo and opening for established artists, highlighting the lessons learned from each experience.

Managing Anxiety and Personal Well-being

Addressing mental health, both Jake and The Kid Laroi delve into their strategies for managing anxiety. The Kid Laroi emphasizes the role of routine, reducing weed consumption, and maintaining a healthy diet:

The Kid Laroi [13:33]: "I've had feelings like that for sure ... I think part of that I would definitely credit to, like, gym and, like, eating a little better."

Jake echoes similar sentiments, discussing his own journey to reduce substance use and the positive effects on his mental clarity:

Jake Shane [14:01]: "I stopped smoking every day and it feels like I came up from being underwater."

Interests, Hobbies, and Pop Culture

The duo shares their interests beyond music and fitness, including favorite TV shows and cultural references. The Kid Laroi mentions his love for Destiny’s Child and experiences attending Beyoncé’s Cowboy Carter concert:

The Kid Laroi [08:47]: "I love the Destiny's Fulfilled album ... It's insane."

Jake recommends shows like Hacks and Veep, revealing his background in acting and production:

Jake Shane [56:34]: "So the premise is it's this older comedian ..."

Audience Q&A: "Tell Me What's Wrong" Sessions

Towards the end of the episode, Jake and The Kid Laroi engage in the signature "Tell Me What's Wrong" segment, where they offer advice on personal dilemmas submitted by listeners.

1. Roommate Walking Naked:

   Jake Shane [57:52]: "My roommate walks around naked all the time in our apartment... How do I handle it?"

   The Kid Laroi advises setting clear boundaries:

   The Kid Laroi [58:08]: "I would probably be like, hey, do you mind putting on some clothes when my boyfriend's here?"

2. Harassing Ex-Boyfriend:

   Jake Shane [58:03]: "My ex-boyfriend sent my parents a letter about how unfair a breakup was... What do I do?"

   The Kid Laroi recommends legal action and no contact:

   The Kid Laroi [59:45]: "You need to get that done immediately."

3. Sister Drowning a Hamster:

   Jake Shane [60:25]: "My sister drowned my hamster because she thinks I stole her boyfriend from a rumor from school. What should I do?"

   The advice includes seeking legal help and possibly involving authorities:

   The Kid Laroi [61:57]: "I would definitely break the lease. I would encourage your friend to get some serious help."

These interactions showcase the show's blend of humor and practical advice, making it both entertaining and useful for listeners.

Upcoming Projects and Future Endeavors

As the episode concludes, The Kid Laroi provides insights into his upcoming music project, emphasizing its fun and danceable nature while maintaining personal lyrical depth:

The Kid Laroi [75:12]: "I wanted to make music that I could, like, play on a night out or something ... trying new things."

He reveals that the album is complete, with only final touches like transitions and skits remaining:

The Kid Laroi [77:07]: "It's done. We're just working on little transitions and little, like, skits."

Jake expresses excitement for the release, anticipating the positive reception from fans:

Jake Shane [75:36]: "I'm excited to hear it."

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Conclusion

Session 85 of Therapuss with Jake Shane offers an in-depth look into The Kid Laroi’s life, balancing discussions about personal growth, career achievements, and coping strategies with engaging interactions and relatable storytelling. The episode not only highlights The Kid Laroi's journey as an artist but also provides valuable insights and advice, making it a must-listen for fans and newcomers alike.

Notable Quotes:

• Jake Shane [00:10]: "I'm finally back in Los Angeles, which has just been unbelievable."
• The Kid Laroi [02:07]: "I've been going to the gym a lot, which is, like, a really cool thing for me."
• The Kid Laroi [27:26]: "You got to put that out. Like, right. And so I did that, and he was right."
• The Kid Laroi [75:12]: "I wanted to make music that I could, like, play on a night out or something."
• Jake Shane [58:08]: "I would probably be like, hey, do you mind putting on some clothes when my boyfriend's here?"
• The Kid Laroi [59:45]: "You need to get that done immediately."

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Transcript

[Jake]

Hi. Welcome back to Therapists. Tonight, we have the kid Laroi on. It's a great episode. I am so excited for you guys to listen to it. In terms of news with me, I guess nothing is new. I'm finally back in Los Angeles, which has just been unbelievable. Okay. This is my favorite city in the entire world. I know where I've been. I've been watching Mr. Robot. And now, if you're wondering what is Mr. Robot? It was a show released a few years, some a while ago with Rami Malek, and it's just unbelievable. It was recently added to Netflix, and the whole show has become my entire personality. My. My entire day revolves around when I can watch this show. I'm on season four, which is the final season, but it's like a thriller. It's pretty intense, and it's about a hacker. Okay. I don't really know what else to say, you guys. Yeah, tour's over. I don't really. Sometimes I just. Sometimes I'm out of things, like, I don't really know what's going on. Aside from that, enjoy the episode. It's a fun one. I hope you guys love it. And to submit. Tell me what's wrong, go to passthatpost.com, leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Okay. Love you. Honestly, sorry. I've had, like, the worst day ever.

[The Kid Laroi]

That's fine.

[Jake]

But you've made my day so much better.

[The Kid Laroi]

Thanks.

[Jake]

Did you have a good day?

[The Kid Laroi]

I've had a pretty good day. I've had a decent day. Like, not too good, not too bad. I went to the gym. I've been going to the gym a lot, which is, like, a really. Been a really cool thing for me. It's just. This is like, the most, like, discipline I've had when it comes to that stuff. I've always kind of, like, in and out, going to the gym, but now I've been, like, really, like, focusing on it, like, meal eating, like, good meals and stuff like that. So.

[Jake]

What do you mean, eating good meals? Like, do you, like. Like, how do you stay regimented with that?

[The Kid Laroi]

Eating my veggies.

[Jake]

Okay. Right, right, right. Do you cook?

[The Kid Laroi]

I do sometimes.

[Jake]

I actually know you.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, I was gonna say. I was gonna say. You definitely know that, right?

[Jake]

Yeah, I know you cook.

[The Kid Laroi]

I know you heard about my chicken piccata.

[Jake]

Yes, I did hear about your chicken piccata. Did I? Yes, I must have if you didn't.

[The Kid Laroi]

That might be concerning.

[Jake]

Yeah, no, I've heard about. I know that you do cook.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

So you, you like, are you on like a diet?

[The Kid Laroi]

I'm not really on a diet, but I'm on, I'm, I'm eating like five meals a day.

[Jake]

Are you trying to bulk up?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, a little bit. I'm trying to get a little bit of size.

[Jake]

I see. Like, I'm so jealous of you that that's what you get to do. Like you're like, I have to eat five meals a day.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's, it's a little, it's like it gets annoying.

[Jake]

Are you like, did you ever, are you ever like, I'm going to be sick?

[The Kid Laroi]

I've had feelings like that for sure. I'm like, oh my God, I'm so full. How am I going to do this? But you're just like power through a discipline thing. Yeah.

[Jake]

Right.

[The Kid Laroi]

I cuz, yeah, I don't know. And it, it helps me like I feel like what I've realized about myself is that I need to have some type of routine in my life for my to be sane. Basically I have to have something. So like the gym is just like a good thing. It's like a good healthy habit. Something that I have to like think about. If not, I do. I'm just too like I'm all over the place and yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

I love the gym. I feel like I, I, maybe that's why I had such a bad day today. Honestly, I didn't go today. I didn't go yesterday and I was in such a mood all day today. I was like, it's definitely cuz I didn't work out.

[The Kid Laroi]

Are you still running up aloe?

[Jake]

Yeah, I do. I used to think cardio was like running all the time, but I realized like I can kind of hack the system by just walking on an incline.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And it's like, do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know. And it's like 12, 3:30. Don't get me started. 3:30.

[The Kid Laroi]

Tell me about it.

[Jake]

So it's the 12 incline. So you put the incline to 12 speed to 3 so you're like not doing too much. And then you go for 30 minutes. And you would think it's not too much but like at minute 15 you're like, wait, why is this hard? And then you're like dripping sweat. And then you get like 20,000 steps.

[The Kid Laroi]

Mean you look great.

[Jake]

I was going to ask, do you think I look good?

[The Kid Laroi]

You didn't even have to ask.

[Jake]

I know. Do you think like. Because everyone keeps saying to me like wait, have you lost Weight. I'm not even just kidding, but, like, everyone's saying that to me, so I just want to see if you also agreed.

[The Kid Laroi]

I agree.

[Jake]

Okay.

[The Kid Laroi]

I think you look great.

[Jake]

Thank you.

[The Kid Laroi]

That's what I think.

[Jake]

Thank you. Everyone keeps saying, like, my waist got smaller. Like, I'm feeling it and it's because of 12, 3:30. I'm sorry, I'm kind of going off on a tangent, but it's just, like, been on my mind lately.

[The Kid Laroi]

I love it.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

Maybe I got to come do it one day to Aloe. Maybe.

[Jake]

What do you usually do when you're in the gym?

[The Kid Laroi]

I just do all, like, weight stuff.

[Jake]

Do you go alone with friends?

[The Kid Laroi]

Sometimes I go alone. Sometimes I. I'll. I'll bring a friend. I feel kind of bad sometimes for my trainer because I. Sometimes I'll just bring like a random friend every day and I'll just be like, hey, this is my friend.

[Jake]

Yeah, I got that. And he's like, wait, you're up my.

[The Kid Laroi]

But not even though he's actually, like, dope. But I just. I. I just feel a little bad cuz I'm like. Like I'm just bringing so many people.

[Jake]

Yeah, I got that. I got that.

[The Kid Laroi]

Into space.

[Jake]

What was I going to say to you? So what are your. How have you been? When's the last time I saw you?

[The Kid Laroi]

I want to say the last time you saw me was at both Streets.

[Jake]

No, that was. That was a great meal.

[The Kid Laroi]

It was a good meal.

[Jake]

It was a great meal. But I think we wanted, like. I forgot how social Bird Streets was.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I remember being so tired. I remember Tate being so tired as well, at us being like, oh, like, I feel like we're in a nightclub eating dinner.

[The Kid Laroi]

The. The vibe was definitely like. We were like, all right, we want to have a night out tonight. But none of us felt like having, like. Like genuinely having a night out. Cuz like, we're trying to force having a night out. I think there was like, I. Like, there was. I couldn't even. We had conversations that I couldn't even hear what you were telling me.

[Jake]

I hear a word.

[The Kid Laroi]

So I was just like, oh, yeah, yeah. And it's like, you cut. Yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

But yes, that is the last time I saw you. And then before that, I saw you at Tate's album release. And then probably Tate's show in New York where I got so drunk at that after. Remember that after party, I got so blackout drunk that I had. I went to the airport with my best friend.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And I was, like, dancing around the airport. I was just, like, feeling good, like, you know, like. Like my hangover. I was drunk as honestly. And then I looked at a video that she took of me, and I was like, wait, where's my backpack? And I realized I left my backpack with my computer, my iPad, and. And the backpack itself was like a gift from a friend, and it was really expensive in an Uber. And I had to. We. I was like, I can't get on this flight right now. And I had to walk. Yeah, I walked upstairs all the way through security. He came back, dropped me off my backpack, rebooked a new flight, went. Went through security a second time. Oh, my God. Like, I have the shivers. When I got home, I, like, really, like, thought about becoming religious. I was like, I don't think I can ever drink again.

[The Kid Laroi]

Where are we now?

[Jake]

Where are we now? I actually did the same thing the other day, so. Nowhere. Nowhere else. Good. Wait, so, Will, you are working on new music?

[The Kid Laroi]

I am.

[Jake]

Can we talk about it?

[The Kid Laroi]

Sure.

[Jake]

Okay. Are you excited?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, I'm so excited. I'm really excited. I'm always excited to drop music. I think that's like. Yeah, I'm. I'm excited. I. I get nervous, though, obviously, like, everyone does. I think. You know, this. I guess I'm always like. I guess with every project, I'm kind of, like, sonically trying new things, usually most of the time. So that's always a little, like, scary, you know, going into a project being like, never really put out something like this before that sounds like this, and how's it going to be received and all that, but I don't know. I'm excited.

[Jake]

I remember when you did your album, totally blanking on the title, but it was. All the references were A24 films.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

So sick.

[The Kid Laroi]

Thanks, bro.

[Jake]

But what. What are your sonic references this time around?

[The Kid Laroi]

You know, I've been making, like, a lot of happy music, a lot of happy feeling music, which is cool, but, I mean, I guess there's some sad songs on there, too, but it's like, a majority of. Just, like, a majority kind of, like, upbeat stuff and like, kind of, like R B. Lots of R B references, for sure, right? A little bit of, like. A little bit of, like, Pharrell Neptunes reference.

[Jake]

I heard that in the stuff you sent me.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been listening to Destiny's Child.

[Jake]

You have? What songs?

[The Kid Laroi]

The Destiny's Fulfilled album.

[Jake]

Yes.

[The Kid Laroi]

I love that album. I. Skipless.

[Jake]

I used to go through, like, I went through, like, a really, really big Destiny's Child face. Destiny Child. Okay. That's awesome. Destiny's.

[The Kid Laroi]

Destiny's Child.

[Jake]

Oh, my God. I'm just gonna smash my head into the fake wall.

[The Kid Laroi]

No, you got it.

[Jake]

When I was, like, in sixth grade, I remember going through all of their discography and being like, this is just the best thing to ever happen to America.

[The Kid Laroi]

I mean, that's how I. That's kind of how I feel about the Destiny's Fulfilled album. It's. It's insane.

[Jake]

Have you ever seen Beyonce live?

[The Kid Laroi]

I. I just got to see a live.

[Jake]

You saw Cowboy Carter?

[The Kid Laroi]

Incredible.

[Jake]

How was it?

[The Kid Laroi]

It was really inspiring.

[Jake]

I'm so.

[The Kid Laroi]

And I'm not saying that because we're on a podcast. I'm saying that because I. I, like, I genuinely told everybody after that, I go, like, I go to a lot of people's shows. I always see a lot of people's shows, and it's interesting going to another person's show as an artist because I feel like you're there, and you, like, there is a part of you that's like, looking from an artist perspective where you're kind of, like, not judging the show, but you're, like. You're really. You're really paying attention. Right.

[Jake]

Well, because, you know, everything going on behind.

[The Kid Laroi]

Exactly.

[Jake]

So you know what the curtains ripped from you.

[The Kid Laroi]

Exactly. So you know what it takes. You know, it's kind of. It's different than just going. I don't know. Yeah, you kind of know what I mean. So I feel like when I went to. You know, I've gone to a lot of different people's shows, and I've seen people I really love to see perform, whatever, but, like, you don't always walk away from a show feeling like, damn, like, I want to do something like that. I definitely walked away from our show. Like, whoa.

[Jake]

Like, right.

[The Kid Laroi]

I'm insp. Like, I, like, want to think of ideas for my tour. I want to, you know. Yeah. Super inspiring.

[Jake]

No, I know. I know what you mean, though, because not that I'm an actor of any sorts, but, like, after I, like, acted and, like, the first thing I ever did, which was hacks, I. I started watching TV just, like, a tad differently because I realized when they have. You've acted before, right?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, Yeah. I was in a movie.

[Jake]

Yeah. Like, that's what I'm. I know. I knew.

[The Kid Laroi]

I know. But it feels weird to be like, I'm an actor because.

[Jake]

Right. Like, you're an actor. Well, you've acted. I've acted Right.

[The Kid Laroi]

But I've acted.

[Jake]

You know how they. They will, like, shoot a scene four different times from four different angles.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, yeah.

[Jake]

So, like, when I'm, like, watching. Like, when I'm watching an old. Like, when I'm watching something, sometimes I'll think, like, oh, they probably shot the scene from a wide angle. This angle. This angle. It just, like, makes me view it differently. Do you feel like that's kind of how you view concerts? A little bit.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. A little bit for sure. And like. Yeah, because again, you know. You know, everything that goes into it. Like, how. You know, in terms of, like, how much money it cost to put on a show.

[Jake]

Oh, right.

[The Kid Laroi]

Well, that's just one element of it, obviously. And then, as well, like, what it. You know, like, what it takes to. To be on stage. And, like, you know, that's like a. It's a hard thing to be up in front of a bunch of people and doing it. But I think the biggest thing is that, yeah, when you see, like, a full production that's, like, pulled off and you're like, wow, they really spent, like, obviously, money, but time, you know, spent a lot of time, it looks like, wow. They spent a lot of time rehosting this, going back to back. Because I know, like, how much time I spend, and my stuff is, like, not even. My shows are not nearly as, like, intricate. Intricate is Beyonce. So I'm like, wow. Like, it's really crazy to. Yeah. Like, you see the time and. And the money and. And everything that was spent and put into it and, like, all how many people are, like, working to make it happen and just. I mean, she's also just, like. Like, her or her stage presence is just insane.

[Jake]

Next level is insane.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I remember seeing. I didn't get to see Cowboy Carter because I think I had, like, just gotten back from. From something. I remember just being feeling, like, dead and then. But I did see Renaissance, and it was just.

[The Kid Laroi]

I wish I saw that, dude. I wish I saw that.

[Jake]

Like, oh, my God. Do you like that album?

[The Kid Laroi]

I do.

[Jake]

I do. I loved that. I love that album. And so seeing that live was just, like, electric.

[The Kid Laroi]

Honestly, that would have been really cool.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

Even just thinking about hearing that album live would be really cool.

[Jake]

It was fun. It was fun. It was very, like, dancy and euphoric and. Yeah, it was fun. Do you deal with, like, chronic anxiety?

[The Kid Laroi]

You know, I, Like, I. It's gotten a lot better. It's definitely gotten a lot better. And part of that I would definitely credit to, like, gym and, like, eating A little better.

[Jake]

I don't think eating better makes you less anxious.

[The Kid Laroi]

It does. I, I know. I, I, I genuinely believe it. I think it does.

[Jake]

No, I know you're, you're correct. I know. It's just, it's hard pill to swallow.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. I also, like, I, I stopped like, smoking as much weed. I used to smoke weed every day and now I don't smoke weed.

[Jake]

I remember talking to you about this. I didn't smoked in almost six months.

[The Kid Laroi]

Wow. That's.

[Jake]

How good do you feel?

[The Kid Laroi]

So good.

[Jake]

How hard was it to stop?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, it's, it, it is hard. It is hard because it's like, it's like the thing you like. I don't know. I, this is like, this is bad. I used to like, my, my whole rule was like, all right, I'm not going to smoke in the day.

[Jake]

We are the same person until 6:00pm Still.

[The Kid Laroi]

6:00Pm Yep.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

And then that's gonna be my reward.

[Jake]

Yes.

[The Kid Laroi]

For getting through the day.

[Jake]

No. And that's not crazy. I, I've been there.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. So you get used to that, like, you get used to that routine of like, you know, oh, and then being like, oh, I need this to relax. But when I stop smoking weed for. And you know, I'm not, I'm not perfect still. But I've stopped smoking every day and it feels like I like, came up from being underwater.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

You know, my brain got so much clearer. And that's just the type of, like, that's just the type of, that's just like, how it is for me. I know people who, like, need it are just fine, you know, smoking every day. They're like super clear, super normal. Just what it does for me is just like, it definitely increases my anxiety a lot.

[Jake]

Me too.

[The Kid Laroi]

But like, after the fact that.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

You know, which is weird. It's like, it's like, it's like the.

[Jake]

Like, yeah, it was like, it's like, the first 10 minutes are great. Where at least for me, it was like, I, well, the issue for me was like, I, I would wake up every day and then I'd be like, okay, like, I need to smoke. Like, when is it? 6:00pm Like, I'm going to freak out. And then often times I'd be like, well, it's two. Yeah, whatever.

[The Kid Laroi]

I was definitely having days like that.

[Jake]

Yeah. And then it's like, when I started doing this a lot more, I was like, this isn't good because I'm, I'm like, talking to people and I'm like, should I be High right now, like. Or am like. You know what I mean? Like, could I be? And then it's like. And then it was also like, I was like, putting out, like, stuff and I was getting really anxious about it.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

But only when I was high.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

So every. And I was like, like, I just don't need to feel this way.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yo. That's. That's facts. Because sometimes I'll get like. If I get like, high and I listen to my music or if I like, see like something from a photo shoot or like something that I posted or something that doesn't bother me, I'll be high and I'll be like, damn, should this bother me?

[Jake]

Like, what?

[The Kid Laroi]

Damn, does this sound really bad? Or like, damn, does this.

[Jake]

You know, you just like, perceive yourself in such a different way and you get so in your head.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

That's when I realized I was like, I need to just like take a break. And I took a week break and then a two week break and then I'd spend six months because I'm just like such an addictive person that, like, if I start again, like, I will not stop.

[The Kid Laroi]

That's how I am too. I definitely, definitely. I'm definitely a. I'm definitely, like, routine.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

Potentially addictive personality.

[Jake]

Yeah, it's fine. I think everyone is.

[The Kid Laroi]

But yeah, I. Yeah, so I don't know, I guess I say that. To say, like, that helped a lot with my anxiety and working out and doing all those things because I think, yeah, I'm. I'm nervous all the time.

[Jake]

Do you get social anxiety?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, sometimes I'm great though. It's not like a. It's not like a 247 thing, but like, it's. Yeah.

[Jake]

When did you move to LA?

[The Kid Laroi]

I moved to LA when I was just turned 16.

[Jake]

Do you feel like your anxiety got worse once you moved here?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, 100, right? Yeah.

[Jake]

Right.

[The Kid Laroi]

One million percent right. For, for a fact. Yeah. What.

[Jake]

What year was that? That when you were 16? You're 21 now.

[The Kid Laroi]

21 now. So I would have been 2019. How. Yeah.

[Jake]

What was that like moving here from Australia?

[The Kid Laroi]

It was crazy. It was, it was really crazy because I came over here first. For the first. Well, for the first three months of being in America, I was like on a tour bus on the Juice tour and not even performing, just like tagging along.

[Jake]

Oh, really?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. And then when that ended, for like three months or whatever, a couple months, I was living in Juice's house just like by myself. Like, his manager lived in the house he lived in the house, a couple of his friends lived in the house. And like, I was there for a couple months, which at like, 16 is pretty, like.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

You know, I mean, I didn't feel like. I don't know. I, like, at the. At 16, you're like, yeah, I'm a adult, Right?

[Jake]

Of course.

[The Kid Laroi]

Like. Like, yeah, looking back, I'm like, wow, that's like, crazy. Then I was able to move my mom out here, my little brother shortly after that, and have some family over here, which is good. But I. I mean, it was a. It was a crazy. That was a crazy time period for sure, taking all that in. Because it's like, not only is it not only, like, moving to a whole another country, you're like, moving into a country then into, like, the entertainment space, like, full on, you know, like, we're going to, like, shows with Juice on, like, private jets and, like, doing all this, like, you know, kind of like, I was kind of taking in all of that before I was even in the position where I was, like, doing that myself. So it was a very, like, whoa. Thing. I think I was just really happy. I felt at the time just like, happy to be there, though.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

And just being like, wow, this is crazy.

[Jake]

Did he. Did Juice find you, like, via. Online? Like, were you uploading stuff online?

[The Kid Laroi]

So I think he. I think how he found me was through his management who found me. I'm not quite sure how they found me, but they reached out to me to. To sign me, and I'm pretty sure they would have showed him.

[Jake]

Right.

[The Kid Laroi]

And would have said, hey, this is Kid.

[Jake]

Like, were you uploading stuff online now or.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, on. On, like, SoundCloud, YouTube, all that stuff. I had one. I had one song on Spotify and.

[Jake]

Yeah, and how did you get into, like, music? When did you start making music?

[The Kid Laroi]

I've been. I've been making music ever since I was, like, young. I mean, I don't know, I was just always, like. I just always loved music. My mom played a lot of music around the house. My. My real dad was a musician. But I don't, like. I don't. I wouldn't necessarily say, like, that was like, what made me want to be a musician. I think it was just like. I don't know. I just really. I just really love the way stories were told through music. I love the way, like, I remember when I was like, a little kid watching, like, I remember watching the. It was like those two. Two videos I remember watching was the Eminem Soup man video randomly.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

The Tupac. I think it was either the Dear Mama video or the Brenda's Got a Baby video. And I just remember being like, whoa, this is like. This is crazy. And just being, like, really drawn to it. So it kind of just then from there, it kind of became a way for me to just, I don't know, like, express feelings or whatever through music. I think it was, like, a big thing for me as a kid. Like, instead of talking about feelings or whatever, it was, like, a cool outlet to, like, do and it was cool. And.

[Jake]

Yeah, and then you would just, like, you would write and then just like.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, I would write, like, to, like, a YouTube beats or something. And then, like, take my mom's phone and, like, record on my mom's, like, phone like, like a video of me doing it. Or sometimes, like, my mom would record me rapping and.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah, that's really sweet.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. But, yeah, so I don't know. I just kind of was around music a lot and just really just was, like, drawn to it. And obviously it, like. I guess it runs in my blood, I guess, you know? So.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

So. Yeah, but I think. I think that's what it was really attracted to, like, being able to express yourself through that way, I think.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Do you. Do you remember, like, something you put out and you felt like, oh, I'm, like, in this space now. Like, I've made it as, like, the kid Laroi.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. I mean, there's a few different, like, little milestones, I think. I definitely think, like, when I, like when I did the. My first Cole Bennett video with Lyrical Lemonade, I think that was like, a huge, like, whoa. I feel like this is, like, really, really happening. You know, I felt little. Little bits of it. Of it. Like, you know, I. When I won, like, a one, like a high school radio competition, like, that was cool, whatever. But the first real feeling of, like, ok, this is, like, really happening was when the first Lyrical Lemonade, when I did that video, and I was like.

[Jake]

What video did you do for Lyrical Lemonade?

[The Kid Laroi]

Called Song called Let Her Go.

[Jake]

Okay.

[The Kid Laroi]

And it was like, me, I was in, like, an orange beanie and, like, a dicky suit. And it was really funny because Cole, at the time, I think I was like, I probably wanted to wear just, like, a bunch of, like, I don't know, random, like, designer and, like that. And Cole was like, no, no, I have. I have, like. I have this, like, vision for you, I think. I think you should wear a dicky suit with this beanie. And I remember at the Time being like, what the fuck? Like, why are you, like, giving me? And I'm so happy that, like, he did that because, like, I look back on that video and I'm like, wow. Like, and now I'm like, now I'm like, so into that. But you know, I was like, I was like 15 or 16. I just wanted to fudge, like, wear, like, I just wanted to pop my shit. Yeah. And he was like, no, no, no, you should. You should wear this. And he like, just trust me, trust me, trust me. I was like, all right, cool.

[Jake]

You still work with Cole?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, we. I mean, we. We've done. We've done a bunch of shit recently. That's my boy. I mean, we talk every now and then. Actually, you know, it's funny, I FaceTimed him the other day and I was just like, yo, I miss you, bro. What's going on? He was like, I think he was in New York or something. But yeah, that's my guy. I love him. We've also, like, we got a chance to, like, we. We were never like, really disconnected, but we got a chance to like, really, really reconnect on a deeper level than I think ever before through Justin too. Cuz him and Justin became friends, like, randomly. I'm not sure how that happened. Maybe just like online or something. I was. I. I don't know. They. They met somehow and then we, like, reconnected through Justin and like. And I think now, like. And we even, I think, like, broke a layer that like, we'd never even like, got to before, which was cool. Yeah.

[Jake]

And then you and Justin, did you meet via Making Stay Together or did you meet before?

[The Kid Laroi]

Nah, he. He DM'd me on Instagram in. I want to see. Is he late 2020 or beginning of 2021?

[Jake]

You freaking out?

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, my God, I can't even imagine. I was in my bedroom and I was living with my mom at the time, and I think I had woken up or it was like the afternoon when I was in my bedroom and I went to my dms and I literally remember being like, yeah, guess who, Guess who, Guess who. DM me. And she's like, who? What? What's going on? And y. Like, I was like, so excited. And he was basically just like, yo, like, love your stuff. And I was like, oh, my God, thanks. Like, I'm a huge fan. And then he had hit me up like a month or two later and it's like, hey, I think I have a song for us. And it was the song Unstable and the justice record. And, yeah, so then I was kind of like, damn, I got to send him one back, like, for my right thing. And Stay was a song that we had made, like, a. Like, months before. I dare even say, like, would it like, maybe like, nine months before or something. I was just sitting in the notes, and it was like an unfinished song. And I remember we were going through at the time, like, what he would sound good on, and we were just like, damn, he'd sound really good on this. Like, we don't really see this being, like, my own song kind of thing. Like, it's really good. We always really loved it, but it didn't really fit with what the. What the album or whatever the project was at the time was sounding like. So we kind of like, you know, we always love the idea, but kind of like. Like, this doesn't really fit. Sent it to him, and he was like, yo, this is crazy. He did the voice. He, like, invited me to pull up to the studio. He got. He got in the booth and he, like, line for line, just freestyled his voice, and it was.

[Jake]

No way.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, it was like, the craziest. It was so crazy because I feel like. Yeah, I feel like people don't give him enough credit as, like, how a writer.

[Jake]

Yeah, they don't.

[The Kid Laroi]

You know, he's, like, an incredible writer and, like, extremely talented musician. And, like, I've seen it myself, you know, so that was, like, really, really. Yeah, it was really special. And I remember I was a little, like, freaked out about it because I was kind of like, damn, like, is this song, like, too, like, pop for my project? Which is so weird because, like, I don't know. I didn't, like, you know, I. I don't. I don't know. I was just kind of thinking that at the time, like, is this two pop or is this, like, whatever? So I was like, yo, do you want to take this for your album? Like, I don't know if it fits on my album. Like, I don't know. Like. And he was like, bro, like, you're tripping. Like, this song is like, you gotta keep that. Like, you gotta put that on under. Under your name. Like this. He's like, this is a smash.

[Jake]

Wow.

[The Kid Laroi]

And I was like. And I always loved the song. You know, the day that I made it, I put a snippet up on my Instagram because I loved it. But I was just in my head about, like, damn, are people gonna think, like. I don't know. Are people gonna think like, oh, damn. Like, I'm Like, I don't know, selling out or something or. I don't know. I had, like, all these weird thoughts in my head, and he was just like, bro, this is a smash. You got to put it out. Like, right? And so I did that, and he was right.

[Jake]

Did you. You posted a snippet on TikTok.

[The Kid Laroi]

Post a snippet on my Instagram stories.

[Jake]

And did it just, like, take off from the snippet?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. So everyone. Everyone was like, yo, drop, stay. Drop, stay. Before, like.

[Jake]

And then even though Justin was on.

[The Kid Laroi]

No, yeah, exactly. This was like. And it just kind of, like, was a thing. Then we put the song in the notes, but the fans were just like, yo, like, you gotta drop this, Drop this. I remember me and Blake.

[Jake]

Do you know Blake Slacken? Yeah, I know of.

[The Kid Laroi]

So me and Blake were walking to the in and out at usc.

[Jake]

Wait, sorry, ucla.

[The Kid Laroi]

Ucla.

[Jake]

That is, like, the best in and out in la.

[The Kid Laroi]

Sorry.

[Jake]

No, I. I know. It's okay.

[The Kid Laroi]

So we were walking there and one night. Because he used to live, like, right around the corner from there, and, like, there were these kids who, like, roll past and they're like, yo, Leroy, you gotta drop, stay. Like, it was crazy. It was like a. It was like a thing. And. And then Justin got on it, and it was just like. Yeah, just.

[Jake]

Yeah, did that. So I. I, like, weirdly remember that song, like, almost just, like, immediately taking off.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, it did. I mean. Yeah, I mean, it was. It was pretty. Like, it's pretty. Yeah. Yeah, I guess it did, actually, because, yeah, it came out the gate, and it was pretty big. And I mean, obviously, anything that Justin.

[Jake]

Gets on, it's, like, turns to gold immediately. Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

You know, so. But. Yeah, so that. Yeah. And. But I was really surprised at, like, how it. Because we thought, like, okay, it's gonna be, like, a big first week. And, like, you know, you're always anxious, like, damn, is this, like. Like a real thing? And it just kept going, and it was, like, a really crazy thing to. To watch. Yeah.

[Jake]

Was that, like, another one? Was that, like, your moment where you're, like, where you were able to, like, pick your head up and be like, Holy 100.

[The Kid Laroi]

It was like, that whole little time period. I remember I got. I got, like, Covid right after it, too. So.

[Jake]

Yeah, that was covered.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, I got covered right after it. So I was just, like, in a hotel room and just, like, kind of watching it all happen, and it was pretty gnarly. Yeah.

[Jake]

Did you lose your taste in smell when you got Covid?

[The Kid Laroi]

I think I Lost my smell. I didn't lose my taste.

[Jake]

Yes.

[The Kid Laroi]

I heard some people like never got it back.

[Jake]

Okay. So I honestly, I don't know if I've ever fully gotten it back. I want to say I have now, but. No, I, I'm so dramatic.

[The Kid Laroi]

I know.

[Jake]

Seriously, you don't have your decent smells.

[The Kid Laroi]

Stop it.

[Jake]

But I, I, I couldn't. Okay? So I lost my taste and smell. And I remember being so. That was the worst. I, like, I felt like for like a day and then I just couldn't taste or smell. And I was like, oh, this is the, this might be the worst thing to actually ever happen to me. I like, remember. Oh, I'm gonna throw up. The first food I ever got to eat. Seriously. Like, I don't know what was going through my head, but I ordered a poke bowl. So from where it was, I was in Laguna Beach. It was, it was like great.

[The Kid Laroi]

But was it a random spot?

[Jake]

Like, no, no, it was legit. But like, keep in mind I can't taste anything.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Nor smell. So the texture of raw fish when you can't taste or smell. Okay, so the way I described it was like somebody ripped my lip off, cut up my lip and fed it to me. It tasted like chopped up lip.

[The Kid Laroi]

That's bad.

[Jake]

It was so bad.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's really bad.

[Jake]

And then, yeah, I couldn't smell for a really long time. So I remember being in my apartment cooking and it was like, are you something on fire? Like you're burning? And I was like, what are you talking about? She was like, can you not smell that? And I like almost burnt my whole thing. And like, but that may. It took me like a few months, like really get it back.

[The Kid Laroi]

Wow, that's up. Yeah. After I was like cleared of COVID it still took a while to get, get my smell. My smell. I think, I think it was Ms. Smell. Yeah. My smell back.

[Jake]

So you, but you really started to find success during COVID though, right?

[The Kid Laroi]

I did, yeah.

[Jake]

Was that like, weird?

[The Kid Laroi]

It was so weird because then like the first show I ever did was 2021.

[Jake]

That was the first show you ever did?

[The Kid Laroi]

Well, not ever, ever. Like I'd like open for people right.

[Jake]

Before, but like that was your first.

[The Kid Laroi]

That was headline show. And I did like a rolling, loud, rolling out of Miami 2021. And I just remember being so nervous because I was like, like it was just so much different done before. You know, it's like usually I feel like as a touring artist you have like, there's like steps, you know, so you, Venues Start getting, like, a little bit bigger, and you kind of, like, go through the. It feels like a natural progression most of the time. And because Covid happened, you know, the lost memory I had of doing a show, I think, like, I was. I think I was, like, opening for Little tj. So I think that was, like, the last memory. You know, it was, like, opening on a couple of those dates, and then all of a sudden, I had, like, a crazy slot at, like, Rolling Loud Miami. And it was just like, I was so. I was like, oh, my God, this is. You know, it just felt like such a different, like, gap because we. Because of how much had happened during COVID and we weren't able to tour or do anything, so I was, like, really nervous and. Yeah, but it was great. It was fun. It was so much fun. I remember that first. And then my first tour tour was in 2022.

[Jake]

Why do I feel like you've been okay? So it's either I'm like, mushing together 2021 to 2025, or I just feel like you've been around so much longer.

[The Kid Laroi]

I feel like. Yeah, I feel like that sometimes, too.

[Jake]

But then I really think about it, and I'm like, no, the first time I ever remember hearing from you of you was 2019.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Yeah. Because were you with Internet money at the time?

[The Kid Laroi]

I wasn't with them. Like, I wasn't signed to them, but I worked a lot with them.

[Jake]

Right. Yeah, Because I remember because they were at. I used to work at a label, and they were.

[The Kid Laroi]

You did.

[Jake]

You didn't know this?

[The Kid Laroi]

No.

[Jake]

From 2022. Why I say it like that. 2020 to 2022. What were you doing 2023? Sorry. I worked in international marketing.

[The Kid Laroi]

No way.

[Jake]

So I. My. The person I worked for, her name is Molly. Hi, Molly.

[The Kid Laroi]

Hey.

[Jake]

Yeah, still very close with Molly.

[The Kid Laroi]

Okay.

[Jake]

Yeah, she's great. She worked, like, very closely with, like, Trippy Red. So, like.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Jake]

We, like. I, like. I would, like. I would, like, be on a lot of his stuff with her. Like, she was like, okay. So, like, basically, like, for a while, I would, like, analyze international data and, like, international playlisting data and, like, see, like, where we needed to push the song, what playlist it needed to be on, like, what countries it was doing well in. Like, I would get them to record liners, like, way. Yeah. Like, hi, it's blah, blah, blah. And you're listening to blah blah on new hits now.

[The Kid Laroi]

Jake, that's crazy little.

[Jake]

I know. And then I started doing production, not, like, music Production. But like, you know when you're uploading a song or I guess you wouldn't know. Well, okay, so like when you were like when you release a song.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Like, and you send it to the label to like be put out, there's someone on the production side of things at the label that will take all your credits and write it in. I forget what the website's called, but this website, like writers and you upload the audio file and it's just like uploading it to all the streamers. So I. And it's actually like super tedious and like low key difficult because you can't fuck up anything because if you fuck up like one thing, then the artist is like, why does it say this person wrote my song when they didn't? You know what I mean?

[The Kid Laroi]

I've had little. Yeah, yeah, like that, I think before in the past.

[Jake]

No, it's.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's like cover arts.

[Jake]

Yeah, cover arts get visualized. You have to upload visual. It's just like. Yeah, but so I did that for a while. Then after that, I became the assistant to this guy named Zach.

[The Kid Laroi]

In. You're like in the biz?

[Jake]

Yeah, I was in. And then I wanted to go into A R. So that's what my whole plan was for 2023. But Zach always made this joke, like, if anything ever happens, I'll manage you. It was like a joke, but like, I don't. I don't joke.

[The Kid Laroi]

Does he manage when it comes to that?

[Jake]

Yeah. So now he does. Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

No way.

[Jake]

Yeah. And so he. When my whole thing took off, like, he was like, all right, because a bunch of agencies were reaching out. But I. And so. So is management. But like, I looked at him and I was like, wait, so like, do I need to. Like, can I just. Are you my manager? And he was like, yeah, you can ignore all the management stuff. So then he took me to all the agencies that had reached out and we have just been non stop since then. He's like my best friend because I.

[The Kid Laroi]

All right. I need to. Okay, great. That is.

[Jake]

Yes.

[The Kid Laroi]

That's crazy. Okay, so I. So somebody. I have. I have a homie who. She. She does my nails and she's a homie super dope. And she said that she remembers you from college doing like octopus reviews.

[Jake]

No, I was making October. So basically I interned at 10k Covid summer. So 2020. And then all of my junior year. And then they're like, okay, like, you need to finish school and come back to us. Because at the time I wanted to drop out and just work there full time. Because I was like, I can't imagine working anywhere else. Like, everyone here is my best friend. I love it, and this is what I want to do for the rest of my life. They were like, just take a break. Like, we need. Other people need to intern. Like, you need to just enough. And so it's like, okay. And then that senior year, I, like, started that octopus account because I was just. I was going out all the time. I was bored. Like, I just, like, it was just. I was smoking. Like, I was just, like, I was.

[The Kid Laroi]

Just thinking of stupid getting high and eating octopus.

[Jake]

Yeah, essentially. And like, I remember for. On the, like that 420, I, like, ordered octopus and, like, was super high. It was like a whole. I'm telling you.

[The Kid Laroi]

Like, I still have these videos archives.

[Jake]

They're all. I still do them on occasion.

[The Kid Laroi]

Right. I still like the old ones.

[Jake]

No, the old ones, they're all on there. All on there. So, like, my senior year, my best friend Brett would drive me like, three times a week. We'd get octopus, and I would just review it all all around. I'm, like, getting, like, sad thinking about it. Like, all around the city of Los Angeles. Like, it was the most fun time ever. It was just like nothing mattered. Like, I was like. I thought I was so famous in, like, my own little world.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Like, I was like. Like, I'm not.

[The Kid Laroi]

Well, clearly you were a little bit.

[Jake]

So I still did. I did that a lot. And then I started posting just, like, other types of videos. And then I just like went kind of like full throttle on tick tock. And then it just kind of took off. Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

What's the best octopus you've ever had?

[Jake]

The best octopus I've ever had. Okay, so it's really good question. So I. So it. It. It's Angelini Cafe Angelini in the Palisades.

[The Kid Laroi]

Okay.

[Jake]

So. And they also have one in, I think, Fairfax or West Hollywood. It's like a crispy but tender octopus over a bed of arugula with lemon. And so the best part about a good octopus is if it's really crispy on the outside.

[The Kid Laroi]

Okay.

[Jake]

And the inside is super tender. And I call it the chicken of the sea. But so that's the best place I've ever had. And then also in Florence, Italy, I had this octopus once, and it was like, just unbelievable. Eight out of eight. So I used. I used to. I rated it out of eight because they have eight tentacles.

[The Kid Laroi]

Smart.

[Jake]

It was a thing, I'm telling you. And Then I, like, made someone make me merch my senior year. Like, as my grad present, I made everybody buy it. So, like, I guess it wasn't like a present, but. Oh, my God, my smoothie. Thank you. I love you. Do you want sippy?

[The Kid Laroi]

What is it?

[Jake]

Here, you can sip it before I sip it. It's a peanut butter blast.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, that's yummy.

[Jake]

It's good, right?

[The Kid Laroi]

I like that a lot.

[Jake]

You can take another sip. I'm not very hungry, so it's not. It's no big deal.

[The Kid Laroi]

Wow. Thank you.

[Jake]

What'd you have for lunch today?

[The Kid Laroi]

What did I. I had salmon. Salmon? Salmon with some. Some rice, some greens, steak Samhain. Yeah.

[Jake]

Together. You made both.

[The Kid Laroi]

Like, I separated them by, like, an hour and a half. The meals. Because I'm doing five.

[Jake]

Five meals a day.

[The Kid Laroi]

So technically I have, like, yeah, two lunches and two dinners, I guess, huh? Right? Like a. Like an early lunch, a late lunch, early dinner, late dinner, and then breakfast in the morning.

[Jake]

What do you eat for breakfast?

[The Kid Laroi]

I always get the same thing. Scrambled egg whites, chicken, sausage.

[Jake]

From where?

[The Kid Laroi]

From just. I live in a hotel. Yeah, I live in a hotel. So, like, they have a restaurant downstairs.

[Jake]

When?

[The Kid Laroi]

Dude.

[Jake]

Since when? I remember you not living in a hotel.

[The Kid Laroi]

I was living in a house for a while. I moved. I actually moved. It's been a while now. Let's see. It's been maybe, like, eight months, nine months.

[Jake]

Why do you move to a hotel?

[The Kid Laroi]

I was living in a house in the Valley.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

And I don't know. I was just, like. It was just time to, like. Time to do it. Like, I feel like I just. I don't know.

[Jake]

I was like, time to live in a hotel.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. Long story short. And I was like. I don't know. I just want to kind of, like, experience living by myself for a second. And because I was living with. With friends, and that was so much fun. And actually, the night that we were, like, saying goodbye to the house, me and my friend. I have a friend, Shock, and he basically. He moved from Japan to Los Angeles in. At the beginning of 2022. And we met at a barbecue of a mutual friend. And he. Because the guy that. The guy's barbecue that it was, his name's Cali. Shout out, Cali. He's best friends with Shock's dad. Didn't speak really any English at all. And he was, like, standing like. He was like. It was like the only other person that I think was, like, my age at the barbecue. And I was like, yo, Kelly, who Is that. He's like, oh, that's. That's Kubo's son. I was like, no way. So, like, went over and I was like, what's up, bro? And we just, like, vibed out, had a conversation. I was like, should we go to Six Flags tomorrow? Like, let's be friends. Like, this is fine.

[Jake]

How old? Oh, I forgot. You.

[The Kid Laroi]

We were like, well, he. Yeah, he was in college. Yeah. And he was like. He was like, yeah, because he was explaining to me. He was like, yo, it's. It's been kind of like. It's been. He was kind of trying to say, I think that it was like, a little harder for him, like, to make friends because he had just moved and he was still learning English and he was still trying to, like, get. Get a hang of everything. So I was like, oh, we should, like, be friends and you should come to Six Flags tomorrow. And we literally did that. And then from, like, literally from there, like, two months later, he, like, moved in with me and we, like, got a place together. And me, him, and Dev, who's out there, lived together at this little spot on Doheny. And then we moved. All moved to Encino together. Right. So I'm just giving you backstory because so basically Shock, like, basically been living with me almost the entire time that he'd been over here. So on the last night, we, like, were having a couple drinks and we're downstairs and the house is all boxed up and we were, like, crying in the kitchen. It was, like, really emotional. We were like, damn. We're gonna like, that's sweet.

[Jake]

How long do you guys live together for like a year or two years.

[The Kid Laroi]

Two years.

[Jake]

Where does Shock live now?

[The Kid Laroi]

Shock lives at his parents house in Silver Lake.

[Jake]

Okay. So you get the same breakfast every day. It's egg whites.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Egg whites, sausage, potatoes. Like a cold brew, huh?

[Jake]

Do you do dairy?

[The Kid Laroi]

No.

[Jake]

Neither do, like.

[The Kid Laroi]

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Like, I don't like, just not do dairy in general. I try to avoid it for my skin.

[Jake]

Is that a thing?

[The Kid Laroi]

I don't know. I think it is. Because every. So I used to be heavily addicted to ice cream.

[Jake]

Like, it.

[The Kid Laroi]

Like, addicted, like, every night.

[Jake]

Okay. Like, you were like, I can't go to bed without ice cream.

[The Kid Laroi]

It sounds hilarious.

[Jake]

No, it's. I. I got it. Like, you need a sweet treat. I used to get froyo every night.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. And I noticed my skin was, like, really bad from it. And one day my friend was just like, dude, it's probably all that dairy. And I was like. I was like, all right, so I cut it out. Skin got better. I stopped drinking a lot, too. Not that I was, like, drinking a lot a lot, but, like, you know, when you go, like. I don't know, I feel like in la, it's really easy to just, like, go to a social event and, like, drink.

[Jake]

I actually feel the opposite in la.

[The Kid Laroi]

Really?

[Jake]

In New York, that's another story. New York, I will drink every single day of the week. Because, like, it's just, like.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's the vibe.

[Jake]

What am I gonna do?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. I don't know. I feel like. I don't know. I feel the same way about la. Like, if I go out, I'm pretty.

[Jake]

Social than I am.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, I, I definitely am. Like. I don't know. I. I had this thing for a while where I definitely felt like I need to have a drink to, like, talk to people.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

Because I'd just be, like, right stiff. But I stopped, like, doing that and just saving it more for, like, special occasions or whatnot. And so cutting those two things out helped my skin a lot. And then now I notice every time I, like, eat some ice cream or, like, drink the night before, like, my skin literally gets worse.

[Jake]

It, like, flares up.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. So I'm like, damn, that kind of. It's like. Yeah.

[Jake]

I don't know if adults are supposed to, like. Well, because I know, like, I was about to, like, make up some fake news thing about Darian. It's just like.

[The Kid Laroi]

No, go ahead.

[Jake]

I know I'm incorrect.

[The Kid Laroi]

Let's hear it.

[Jake]

Okay, so, like, I know that cats have dairy when they're, like, younger and when they're, like, baby cats. And then when they grow up, they have water because, like, your body can't process, like, lactose or, like, the cat's body. Cat. And so I'm, like, wondering if, like, humans are, like, the same vibe.

[The Kid Laroi]

You know what's really funny? I've heard that before about humans, not about cats. Well, I'm not. I'm not even joking. I'm really serious. Like, I've actually heard that something like, we're not, like, as an adult, you're not supposed to have a lot of dairy. Yeah, I heard that.

[Jake]

No, it's correct. And I.

[The Kid Laroi]

It is correct.

[Jake]

I, I knew it. I knew it wasn't fake news. So just.

[The Kid Laroi]

I don't know. I've heard it. But also, I, I also heard random. This is really random. But I heard that, like, I, I, I don't know, like, Where I heard this. Why I heard this, But I heard that your body can only, like, digest a certain amount of protein at a time.

[Jake]

That would make sense.

[The Kid Laroi]

And I was, like, living by that rule for, like, the past whatever, like, for whatever years of my life. And I asked my trainer the other day, I was like, hey, so, like, I'm putting this, like, double scoop in this thing. Like, is it even good? And he's like, dude, that's a myth. I was like, what? He's like, yeah, it's like a lie that you.

[Jake]

You can process protein at any time.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

All of it.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Do you believe in the white vice, white rice verse, brown rice vibe?

[The Kid Laroi]

I don't. I'm not. I'm not fully equipped to really speak on it. Speak on it. But.

[Jake]

So. But what rice do you have?

[The Kid Laroi]

I have white, but I heard brown is a healthier for you.

[Jake]

But then I also heard that that's not true.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's probably not. I eat white rice. I feel just fine.

[Jake]

I prefer white rice. I love white rice. It's my favorite food in the entire world.

[The Kid Laroi]

Do you like, like, put a soy sauce on that?

[Jake]

Well, I used to my. My white rice order at this. This restaurant that actually just reopens called Izakaya.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh.

[Jake]

On Western. I used to live across from it. So I would go every day and I would get a bowl of white rice, soy sauce, spicy mayo, and tempura flakes, and I would mix it all together, and then I would also put crispy onions on top, and it, like, really fills me up. And then now sometimes I get white rice and I pour, like, a dab of truffle oil in and soy sauce.

[The Kid Laroi]

Truffle oil.

[Jake]

It will change your life.

[The Kid Laroi]

That's really creative.

[Jake]

So when I had covet, I actually couldn't taste truffle for four months. And that's actually how I knew that I got my smell and taste back. I had truffle fries, and I was.

[The Kid Laroi]

Like, have you been to Tattoo? No.

[Jake]

Toscana to Go is my favorite restaurant in la.

[The Kid Laroi]

Do you know about the secret truffle pizza?

[Jake]

What do you mean, the secret?

[The Kid Laroi]

Like, the white truffle pizza?

[Jake]

Yes. It's the best truffle pizza in L. A. Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. But, like, okay, great. That's why I was.

[Jake]

Yes, it is.

[The Kid Laroi]

It is the best.

[Jake]

It is the best. I've had it. What's your order there?

[The Kid Laroi]

I mean, obviously, when they have the white truffle pizza up, I love, like, the chicken. Milanese. Yeah, Milanese. And their desserts are really good. There, too. They have, like, a chocolate tart.

[Jake]

Yes, they do.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's crazy.

[Jake]

They do. I usually get. I usually have them make me an angel hair. Alio olio, because they have it. But what I love about Toscana is that they treat you like family. Like, I feel like they treat everybody like family. They do. You know what I mean? I like the bread they give you at the start.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, the bread. Dude, I'm so down.

[Jake]

That's, like, my favorite Italian restaurant in Los Angeles.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's up. It's up there for sure. It's one of mine, too.

[Jake]

Wait. I'm so excited to ask you. What are you therapist about today?

[The Kid Laroi]

Do you want to go first?

[Jake]

Yeah. So I had a really bad day, so I. I can't really get into specifics, but there was, like. So I woke up, something great happened.

[The Kid Laroi]

Okay.

[Jake]

And I was like, oh, my God. BDE best day ever. And I was like, this is gonna be amazing. Like, what great news to start my. My day.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

But I didn't work out, and I was off to a weird start because of it. And then I got one piece of bad news, and then I did, like, a shoot thingy that was, like, great. But, like, I did it under the presumption of the first piece of bad news. Like, I was doing the shoot having just received that bad news.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh.

[Jake]

And then we went to lunch. And then as I was sitting down, I got another piece of bad news that, like, was just. I can't. That one I can't even get into. But, like, that one, I was just like, cool, cool, cool. Right after the shoot, right before we got in the car to lunch, I got another piece of bad news. And then, yeah, it was, like, three things. Back to back to back to back. And it sucked. And I was in a horrible mood. And then I watched the rehearsal and felt a little better. You watched the rehearsal?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Do you really?

[The Kid Laroi]

I'm. I'm up to date.

[Jake]

I'm not up to date. I just started. I'm on season one.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, you're on season one?

[Jake]

Yeah, but it's. It's really funny.

[The Kid Laroi]

I guess I'm therapist that you're not caught up.

[Jake]

I know, I know. Is that what. Is that what you're gonna use as your therapist?

[The Kid Laroi]

No.

[Jake]

Okay, cool. Just.

[The Kid Laroi]

But I am therapist about.

[Jake]

I know I'm gonna catch on, like, after this. I'm gonna sit down and. And watch it.

[The Kid Laroi]

Season. I mean, season one's incredible. I've heard season two is like, he's just a. He's a Little genius.

[Jake]

I know.

[The Kid Laroi]

I don't know how else to explain it. He's just a genius.

[Jake]

I was in, I was watching. It was in the first episode where the guy lies or he's like, lied about his master's degree for the, in the trivia game and do you, do you remember this? I mean, yeah, yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

I mean, there was a lot that went on in that post, but yeah.

[Jake]

I've heard towards the end of season one, it gets, like, ridiculous.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, no, it's the most ridiculous of all.

[Jake]

It just, like, keeps getting ridiculous and ridiculous.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jake]

What. What are you watching? Well, no, what are you therapist about?

[The Kid Laroi]

Okay. What am I therapist about? Okay, great. I don't know. You know, today there wasn't a lot of, like, bad stuff that happened. I mean, I, I guess I'm therapist. I mean, I don't know. This wasn't even bad, but I, I, I don't know. I, I was hanging out with a friend today and they were just going through something and, and so I was therapist for him.

[Jake]

Oh, you're an empath.

[The Kid Laroi]

I'm a little bit of empath.

[Jake]

Damn. It makes mine seem so selfish.

[The Kid Laroi]

No, no, not at all. Yours is understandable as well. I, I understand that. So I was kind of. Yeah, I guess, I guess I took that. I took on his feeling of feeling that way he's going, he was going through some stuff and I, Yeah, I was, I was therapist. Therapist for him for sure. So. Yeah. And I mean, my salmon was like.

[Jake]

Okay, today, every time you say. Every time you say salmon, it makes me nauseous. How do you cook in a hotel room?

[The Kid Laroi]

Well, it's not a hotel room.

[Jake]

It's a residence.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's an apartment.

[Jake]

You know what? I think that should be my next move. And you had to go down to the hotel restaurant every morning. You just charge it to your room?

[The Kid Laroi]

I, I pay because I don't, I pay in the moment because I don't like doing the charge to the room thing, because I think that's a very slippery slope.

[Jake]

It is. It's fake money.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. Like, and then you get the bill at the end of the month and you're like, whoa.

[Jake]

Yeah, it's. I, I can't even imagine. Are you able to, though, even though it's a residence? Can you order room service?

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, yeah.

[Jake]

Full body chills. This is my national chills. I am gonna live in a hotel after this.

[The Kid Laroi]

You should. Yeah, there's a few of them, but my, my one I think is I'm not trying to brag but yeah, it's. You should come.

[Jake]

But you know, they're opening up in Amman in Beverly Hills.

[The Kid Laroi]

Are they gonna have residents?

[Jake]

Yeah, the Amman usually has residents, I think.

[The Kid Laroi]

Wow.

[Jake]

Have you. The mom's my favorite hotel in the entire world.

[The Kid Laroi]

I really want to go to the Amman in Tokyo.

[Jake]

Okay. It is apparently, yeah, insane.

[The Kid Laroi]

I've heard it's the craziest thing of all time.

[Jake]

Oh my God. I think I want to go right now. I think I actually need to go right now. I think that's going to be my bir. Gift to myself.

[The Kid Laroi]

That and the one in. The one in Utah.

[Jake]

Oh.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh. Is it. Is it different?

[Jake]

No, that's.

[The Kid Laroi]

That's. Yeah, yeah, that's one. Okay.

[Jake]

Yeah, that's how I first heard of it. But I'd never been.

[The Kid Laroi]

That one looks pretty cool too. But the Kyoto one I've heard is like, I. I had a friend went there and like, he literally had no woods. When I came back, he was just like, bro, it's the best thing of all time. Like, what? He's just like, you just have to go.

[Jake]

I think I'm gonna call my best friend Alice after this and say, you know what? For my birthday we are gonna go to Kyoto.

[The Kid Laroi]

That'd be fucking fire.

[Jake]

What are you watching right now?

[The Kid Laroi]

What am I watching? It's a great question. I mean, obviously the rehearsal has been what I've been really excited about. Like the other night I saw like a new episode came out and I watched. I was so excited.

[Jake]

Is it funny this season or is it.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, I mean it's always. Yeah, it's hilarious.

[Jake]

That's what I'm confused about because I'm like, is it funny? Because I didn't watch one episode and everyone's like, it's like. And I'm like, it's what? Like, I don't understand because Nathan for you was like laugh out loud. Hysterical.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, it's different because like there is like this very serious elements of it, but he's just fucking hilarious. Like, I don't know how to like, he'll like. And yeah, he's just, he's just hilarious. Like and put. I mean, I don't know, I don't want to spoil it for you, but like, no, part of the bit, a little bit of the whole thing is like, he's like, I'm trying to tackle a serious issue, but right. HBO gave me money to make me a. For me to make a comedy show. So I have to make this kind of funny. And that's like, well, I can't tell.

[Jake]

If he's with, like, with everyone or, like, serious ever.

[The Kid Laroi]

Exactly. I don't know if that gets. I would love to meet him. Long story short, I would say I would love to meet him.

[Jake]

He. First of all, the Manny who came in with the smoothie. Met him last night.

[The Kid Laroi]

No.

[Jake]

Yes. And I saw him in my hotel. I was staying at the Bowery in New York, and I saw him twice.

[The Kid Laroi]

Did you say hi?

[Jake]

No. Because, like, I felt fraudulent. Because, like, well, I did see some Nathan for you. Like, I wasn't, like, a rehearsal stand yet, so I couldn't be, like, big fan.

[The Kid Laroi]

That's respectable. You know, I think that's actually really respectable.

[Jake]

I think, like, with comedians, like, sometimes, since they're always feeling like. Like, comedians are sometimes very different than who they, like, present themselves as just because, like, they're performing, you know? And, like.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jake]

Sometimes it's nice to not on. And, like, I feel like in a hotel elevator, like, it's the last place he'd want to be, like, cornered.

[The Kid Laroi]

That's really cool. You thought about that? 100%. I probably would have pissed my pants.

[Jake]

Really? You big Nathan Fielder fan?

[The Kid Laroi]

Huge. I think he's just hilarious. And I. I wouldn't have been able to help myself.

[Jake]

Yeah, I mean, I would have been like, those people. I just. I didn't feel that way about him enough.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, you want. Speaking of these type of stories, the most starstruck I've ever been in my life, huh? Like, even I've been super sure. I guess I'll stroke all the time about people I really with and, like. But I'll always, like, say, hey, big fan. Whatever.

[Jake]

Right.

[The Kid Laroi]

I saw Larry David.

[Jake]

I saw him at Toscana once.

[The Kid Laroi]

No.

[Jake]

Yes.

[The Kid Laroi]

That feels like a Larry David spot. I feel like he totally would go there.

[Jake]

Yes, I saw that. Just got a one.

[The Kid Laroi]

Wow. I saw Larry David. We were at, like, a. I think it was the, like, the Vanity Fair party, like, the. The Oscar after party. And I saw him from afar, and I was like, holy. And I went to walk towards him, and then I literally was like, I can't do this. I turned around and I walked away. And I totally blew my shot at meeting him because I was that, like, geeked. I was like, I don't even know what I'm gonna. Like, I don't know what I'm gonna say. I don't know what I'm gonna do. This is better off just left.

[Jake]

And he's the type to be like, thanks.

[The Kid Laroi]

He said to be like, Off.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

In the best way possible. And I'd be okay with that, but I was just like, I don't know if I'm ready to do all that.

[Jake]

Right. Were you a big Curb fan?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Yeah. So you watch a lot of comedies?

[The Kid Laroi]

It's my favorite.

[Jake]

Do you watch hacks?

[The Kid Laroi]

No. I will. I will check it out.

[Jake]

It's. No, it's great. And what's it.

[The Kid Laroi]

What's. What's like the premise.

[Jake]

So the premise is it's this older comedian played by Jean Smart, and she basically needs to, like, revamp her career. So her agent, who also reps this up and coming writer named Ava Daniels, played by Hannah Ibinder, they pair. She pairs the. He pairs the writer with Gene, and it's just like this, like, back and forth between them, too. It's really.

[The Kid Laroi]

And you're in it, right?

[Jake]

I'm in a few episodes, yeah. But that's not why I asked. It's also. It was also my favorite TV show, like, before that.

[The Kid Laroi]

What's your role in it?

[Jake]

I play, like, the social media coordinator to, like, Deborah Vance, who's the Gene Smarts character. Late night show.

[The Kid Laroi]

That's cool.

[Jake]

Have you ever seen the other two?

[The Kid Laroi]

The other two? No.

[Jake]

You would put me on the other two? The other two's hysterical. I'll tell you the comedies I've watched. Have you seen Veep? Veep Vape?

[The Kid Laroi]

No.

[Jake]

You've never seen. Oh, it's the best show of all time.

[The Kid Laroi]

I'm missing out.

[Jake]

Veep is, like, about. I don't even know how to describe it. It's. Do you know Julia Louis Dreyfus? Christine Seinfeld? Oh, yeah, yeah, her.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

She plays the vice president in the show called Veep. And it's really funny.

[The Kid Laroi]

Damn. I got a pizza.

[Jake]

Like, actually hysterical.

[The Kid Laroi]

Damn. Yeah.

[Jake]

Those are all my wrecks for you.

[The Kid Laroi]

I'm always looking for. I'm always looking for new shows to watch.

[Jake]

Anywho, do you want to get into the. Tell me what's wrong. Thanks.

[The Kid Laroi]

Sure. Let's go.

[Jake]

My roommate walks around naked all the time in our apartment. I hate it. The worst part, she'll come out of her room while my boyfriend is over, like it's nothing, and I just know he's catching a glance. Help.

[The Kid Laroi]

Sorry, what?

[Jake]

No, I know. It's this chair. You missed it. Right.

[The Kid Laroi]

One more time. Hold on. So, yes, the roommate is walking out, like, butt.

[Jake]

Ass naked.

[The Kid Laroi]

Butt naked.

[Jake]

And this girl's like, my boyfriend's, like, looking because she'll walk out naked in front of my boyfriend. Yeah. Your roommate wants your boyfriend.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Is what I would say.

[The Kid Laroi]

You're.

[Jake]

And I would say that.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. Yeah, I agree because. I agree because why would you do that? No, when the boyfriend's over, I understand if they're, like, at the crib and just. But like, if, you know, I guess there's details that need to be figured out here. Does she know that the boyfriend's over?

[Jake]

I mean, I assume that she can.

[The Kid Laroi]

Hear probably, and I don't know. I'm trying to give it.

[Jake]

I would just say, put on clothes. Like, my boyfriend's over.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, exactly. I would probably be like, hey, do you mind putting on some clothes when my boyfriend's here?

[Jake]

And if she says no, then it. Then it can be beef.

[The Kid Laroi]

Well, then it's like, oh, so you want to.

[Jake]

My boyfriend.

[The Kid Laroi]

My boyfriend.

[Jake]

Yeah, but I would be like, put on clothes. Like, we're not at a nudist resort.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. We're at home.

[Jake]

Yeah. And like, if you want to walk around naked, like, live by yourself, because it's weirding me out, period. If I was in, like, a better mood, I'd probably, like, prescribe, like, a nice conversation, but I'm just like, no, no, you.

[The Kid Laroi]

You said what you said.

[Jake]

I did say what I said.

[The Kid Laroi]

What you said.

[Jake]

I said what I said.

[The Kid Laroi]

I'll. I'll second it.

[Jake]

So my ex. Did I just say say what I say. Cool. So my ex. Boyfriend sent my parents a letter about how unfair a breakup was. Loser. He also shows up at my gym. He also tried calling my best friend at 2am Also, his parents leave notes on my car. What do I do? You need. She needs a restraining order against him.

[The Kid Laroi]

Absolutely. I was gonna say, you need to walk into the station and.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

Get that done immediately.

[Jake]

Yeah, that's not. Or tell. Yeah. Or like, whichever parent you feel most comfortable physically fighting.

[The Kid Laroi]

Be like, let's go.

[Jake]

Let's go.

[The Kid Laroi]

Let's. Yeah, put them up.

[Jake]

Yeah, I would. Why are the parents leaving notes on your car? Fucking freak. That is hate when parents get involved. Like, that's the weirdest thing.

[The Kid Laroi]

Strange behavior. Yeah, strange behavior.

[Jake]

I understand parents, like. Like, it was like, giving, like, an elementary school or, like, middle school. Like, when my friend's parents would, like, be like, well, they're fighting. And my mom was like, I don't give a right. She's like, why do you. Why do you think I care that they're fighting?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jake]

I have a job.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, exactly. I think. Yeah. Ew.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

I don't love.

[Jake]

That's crazy to me.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

My sister drowned my hamster because she thinks I stole her boyfriend from a rumor from school. I am not. Well.

[The Kid Laroi]

Lots wrong with that, right?

[Jake]

So that's animal cruelty for sure.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. Can you go to jail for that? Definitely.

[Jake]

For drowning a hamster? Do you not, like, I mean, why.

[The Kid Laroi]

I mean, can you. Can you just drown hamsters? Is that, like, a thing?

[Jake]

You make a great point. And, like, I need PETA to chill out for five seconds because, like, I am just gonna, like, question, like, what the vibe is, like, legality wise. So, like, peter, chill.

[The Kid Laroi]

Be very careful. Right?

[Jake]

Yeah. But, like, I'm just, like, wondering, can you go to the cops? Be like, yo, my sister drowned my hamster. Like, is that a jailable offense? Like, is a hamster, like, you know, like, if it was a dog, God forbid, like, behind bars. But, like, can you.

[The Kid Laroi]

I see some favoritism going on in my.

[Jake]

My eyes.

[The Kid Laroi]

I'm just saying. Well, I think. I think it's really fucked up that she drowned the hamster.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

You can't go to jail for drowning.

[Jake]

You can go to jail for drowning a hamster.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yes. Drowning a hamster in California could lead to jail time.

[Jake]

No. So, like, I'm. I agree with that. I'm not. It's not that I'm not agreeing with that. I'm not saying you should, like, drown a hamster, but, like, I'm just saying, like, I did not know, like, before I gave this advice. Like, I want to know, like, if she's just gonna waste this cop's time. So.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, well, it just really depends if you want your sister to go to jail. I would be livid if my. Well, I don't have a sister. If my brother killed my hypothetical. Drowned my hypothetical hamster, I'd be. I'd be livid.

[Jake]

I mean, your sister sounds like.

[The Kid Laroi]

I think we.

[Jake]

Yeah, she has other stuff going on, you know?

[The Kid Laroi]

Well, you know, they say. You know what they say?

[Jake]

What do they. What do they say?

[The Kid Laroi]

That's the first signs of, like, a serial killer.

[Jake]

Right. So what I would tell this to do is therapy there. No, I would say go to the cops if you want your sister to go to jail, but to get back at your sister, you need to start a room around the school and be like, my sister is a serial killer. She literally suffocated and drowned my hamster.

[The Kid Laroi]

So you think, no therapy. Do we want the sister to get better? Do we want a redemption?

[Jake]

How do you get better from that? You're a murderer.

[The Kid Laroi]

Well, maybe. Yeah.

[Jake]

No, like, therapy for sure. That's a crazy thing to happen. Maybe this. You know, I'm not gonna make excuses for the sister. That poor hamster. Having a hamster as a pet is so wild to me. Like, what's the point?

[The Kid Laroi]

I don't know what side you're on right now.

[Jake]

Yeah, like, I really gunned out. No, I'm saying I'm on the side of.

[The Kid Laroi]

You want to know, the mean girl.

[Jake]

Like you, obviously, that's murder. Like, I'm just. I'm now questioning, like, the point of having a hamster as a pet and also where hamsters come from, how they got domesticated.

[The Kid Laroi]

I maybe have extra sympathy. I've never owned a hamster. My friend did same neither. And we were working together, and his hamster, while we were working together, had to go to the er.

[Jake]

How would he know that?

[The Kid Laroi]

He got a call from his girlfriend who was like, the hamster went into cardiac arrest. So the hamster was going to the er and he was like, yo, I gotta get out of here. My hamster's like, going to the ER right now. So he dipped. And unfortunately, they. They tried, like, doing a surgery on the hamster. Hamster got through the surgery, but then went into cardiac arrest and died. And my friend. I guess I say that to say my friend was, like, devastated. Rightfully so.

[Jake]

No, it's.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's devastated. It was pet, and he loved it and it was devastated and was, like. He was, like, really mourning the death of his hamster. So I think I have a different perspective because I saw a friend go through that, and I definitely think hamsters should be treated with the most care and respect.

[Jake]

No, of course. It's a living, breathing thing. My question just arises from. Yes, that's okay.

[The Kid Laroi]

No, I know you're hot.

[Jake]

That sister is a serial killer in.

[The Kid Laroi]

The making for sure.

[Jake]

Yeah. I'm in my mid-20s, and I swear to God, there is a new important event every weekend. I feel like I can't say no because most of these are birthdays and weddings, but mama needs a break because.

[The Kid Laroi]

Most of them are birthdays and weddings. I feel that I think you can.

[Jake]

Say no to birthdays. You can't say no to, like, weddings if they're your close friends. It's just my opinion.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. A wedding. Have you seen no to wedding stuff?

[Jake]

Have you been to a bunch of weddings?

[The Kid Laroi]

I've been to a bunch.

[Jake]

No, weddings are expensive.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Weddings are fucking expensive. I just had to buy a tux. Oh.

[The Kid Laroi]

You know, suits randomly fucking really expensive.

[Jake]

Yeah. And so I've never been to a Non black tie wedding, which is. And so black ties, like, you need a tux. Yeah, rent a tux. But every time I rent said tux, I lose said tux, and then I have to pay for, like, said tux's entire price. And so now I'm like, I'm just going to buy tux because I'm over losing.

[The Kid Laroi]

That's good. That's a good investment.

[Jake]

I look amazing in my new tux.

[The Kid Laroi]

Really?

[Jake]

Are you having fun?

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, dude, this is so much fun. I love. I love this.

[Jake]

I totally forgot that my last text to someone was, I want to die. Because they said, what do you want me to do? Okay, where is my tuck suit picks?

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, Jake.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah. So cute. Thank you.

[The Kid Laroi]

I love it. Let's go.

[Jake]

What a good tug cheek, right? Very, very. Yeah. So, yeah, I would say my advice is you need to say no. Say no to the weddings that you don't have to go to.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

It sounds like this person has a problem with fomo, which I understand, but.

[The Kid Laroi]

They need, you know, you need to chill, basically. Like, not you, but like. But I don't know. I feel it. Like, you don't want to let people down too. That's a real thing.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

The show will go on without you.

[Jake]

The show will go on like, their birthday's still happening and the wedding still happens.

[The Kid Laroi]

You got to prioritize yourself.

[Jake]

But you will have a lot more FOMO from missing a wedding than a birthday, IMO.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh, 100%. That's like a. It's like a real. That only happens. Well, it. It's not as common as birthdays. You know what I mean?

[Jake]

Right. Birthdays happen once a year. Weddings are supposed to happen once in a life. But. Yeah, that's not the case.

[The Kid Laroi]

But I mean. Yeah, I mean, but, like, you know, hopefully you have 80 plus birthdays. You know what I mean?

[Jake]

Chills.

[The Kid Laroi]

You can only really have a handful of weddings. Yeah, I mean, I. I've never seen more than, like, five.

[Jake]

I'm excited. My friend just got engaged and it's gonna be our first college wedding. So, like, our friend, like, it's gonna be everyone we went to college with back for a wedding.

[The Kid Laroi]

Oh.

[Jake]

And I am so pumped. It's next summer.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And I cannot wait. And I know because my manager, Louise, like, has, like, a wedding, like, every other month. Like, a college reunion wedding. She's like, they're the most fun I've ever had. Ever.

[The Kid Laroi]

Let's go.

[Jake]

Because you're just like. You get to, like, kind of be.

[The Kid Laroi]

Like, it's like, like a little like a reunion reunion.

[Jake]

It's like enclosed. And the best weddings are weddings that aren't like, are kind of like in another place or like a remote place so that everybody there is stuck there for the weekend. You can't go anywhere else, so the only option is to black out.

[The Kid Laroi]

Is it like a. Yeah, 100. I saw kind of tangent, kind of side note, but like, I saw like somebody so like one of those, like, am I the vibes?

[Jake]

I love the. Am I the vibes.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Reddit. It's the only Reddit ones, but I.

[The Kid Laroi]

See it on like tick tock.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

And one of them was like, am I the asshole for like wanting a no phone wedding?

[Jake]

What do you think about that? I think it's totally valid.

[The Kid Laroi]

I think it is too.

[Jake]

I think it's totally valid.

[The Kid Laroi]

I gotta be honest, I like.

[Jake]

Yeah, as long as you're not a stickler about the photos taken at the wedding and you're like, here's for everyone.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, for sure. I think more so off of the thought of like. And like, if it's like an emergency, it's a different thing, obviously, but I think off the thought of like wanting everybody to be like, present, present. And like, yo, if you need your phone, we'll unlock it for you, whatever, give it to you. And I, I didn't mind the idea. I saw a lot of people that were kind of really against it.

[Jake]

Do you ever. What do you feel about when people are on shows at a concert? Like, does that when people are on shows, like on phones at a concert? Oh, sorry, sorry. When people are on phones at a concert, like, do you ever feel like, like, does that ever with you while you're performing?

[The Kid Laroi]

No, it's. I mean, it's. I haven't ex. Like, I've only experienced like the phone crowd generation.

[Jake]

Right, right. You never got it.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's just like normal, but like, it is way cooler when you have like a crowd that's more focused on being in the moment, obviously. But I understand why people, you know, people want to record, record and save memories. I think it's annoying when someone's doing it like every single song.

[Jake]

Right, right.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's like you can like record memory. Like I, you know, when I'm at a concert, sometimes I'll record a video. But like, I think if you're like, you know, 70, 80% just present, enjoying.

[Jake]

I try to be very present.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. You know, especially because, like, maybe, I don't know, maybe some people don't realize this. But, like, you know, for the most part, usually, like, artists are, like, out there, like, going crazy, like, you know, I don't know. Not to make it a deep thing, but, like, you know, they're really trying to put on a show, like, being vulnerable, like, you know, and so sometimes when, you know, it's just like, oh, phone.

[Jake]

Right, Right. Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

Just kind of like a little bit. Yeah, maybe. But it. I mean, I don't know. I'm not gonna lie and say it really bothers me, because it really doesn't.

[Jake]

Right. Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

To be honest.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

But I can understand why people, like, really hate it.

[Jake]

Yeah. Especially people that were performing before the phone crowd.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. And I definitely do prefer a no phone crowd. It just doesn't bother me, really.

[Jake]

My ex. Situationship and I have a very hard time staying away from each other. We're so, so bad for one another, but I think that's why we still hook up. Help me. How do I grow up?

[The Kid Laroi]

We're so, so bad for each other. That's why I think we can.

[Jake]

They can't stay away.

[The Kid Laroi]

It sounds very toxic.

[Jake]

I've never had, like, a situation like, I've had, like, I. I have attachments issues. So it's just. I've never been in that situation.

[The Kid Laroi]

I would say just going. It's really hard. But if you can just go, like, cold turkey. Don't talk, you know, obviously.

[Jake]

No contact.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. Like, if you need, like, have. Have the conversation. Whatever the conversation needs to be. Hey, I think we should stop. Whatever, Whatever, Whatever. And then from there, once that's, like, close and done, you just got to be disciplined and be like, I'm not gonna.

[Jake]

No contact.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. Yeah, I. I think that's easy. I mean, that's like. I don't know. I think that's probably the. It's kind of hard to do, but, like. Yeah, that's it. I mean, that's really the only way you're really gonna move on, right?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

At least for, like.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

A long period of time, you know, and then. And then. And then if. Yeah. And then when you hail and you guys come back together, be friends or whatever happens down the line. But I think, like, to really, really get over, you gotta let go. And it sounds pretty cliche, but you do gotta go, like, think about yourself and focus on that and do all the things.

[Jake]

My roommate is a pathological liar and lies about having cancer and a handful of other medical things for attention. We're in a year lease. What the do I do? So I have the ultimate prescription Because I know what this person needs to watch.

[The Kid Laroi]

There's a documentary about this.

[Jake]

There's also a show about this. Real Housewives of Orange County. This one housewife's boyfriend at the time lies about having cancer and they find out on the show. So you should watch that.

[The Kid Laroi]

What season?

[Jake]

I think it's nine or ten. What documentary? Oh, oh, oh. Are you talking about apple cider vinegar?

[The Kid Laroi]

Yes.

[Jake]

Yes. Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yes.

[Jake]

Yes.

[The Kid Laroi]

I haven't to be completely.

[Jake]

That takes place in Australia.

[The Kid Laroi]

It does. I haven't watched the full thing, but I've. I've definitely heard about it. I've definitely seen.

[Jake]

Right.

[The Kid Laroi]

Clips.

[Jake]

I would try to break the lease or just like.

[The Kid Laroi]

I definitely break the lease. I would definitely encourage your friend to get some serious help.

[Jake]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[The Kid Laroi]

I would. Yeah. Maybe encourage some distance. Definitely move out. Definitely another no contact situation. Maybe.

[Jake]

I would also watch Glee. You ever watch Glee Because Terry Schuster pretends to be pregnant.

[The Kid Laroi]

You know what? I remember Glee being on the TV when I was a kid. I never, like, locked in on it.

[Jake]

You gotta lock the in special time.

[The Kid Laroi]

Okay.

[Jake]

Of all time. Okay. I gotta believe is the greatest. Of all time.

[The Kid Laroi]

I've heard it. I've. I've heard that people say that. Yeah, for sure.

[Jake]

It's just perfect.

[The Kid Laroi]

Start from the jump, right?

[Jake]

Yeah, you have to start from the jump. The pilot's one of the best pilots ever. Of all time.

[The Kid Laroi]

I believe I saw you just interviewed.

[Jake]

Yes. Leah. Michelle Lee.

[The Kid Laroi]

Michelle.

[Jake]

It's my magnet. It was.

[The Kid Laroi]

That was really cool.

[Jake]

It was. It was unbelievable. I remember leaving when I saw that post. Yeah, it was really wholesome when I left that interview. Well, when she left the room, I looked around. You remember that, Nolan? I looked around and I was like, yeah, that eight. Like, that was the best moment of my entire life.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. I saw you said something like that, and I was like, that's really sweet.

[Jake]

Okay, well, Leroy, what did we learn today?

[The Kid Laroi]

Hamsters should definitely be taken care of.

[Jake]

And it's illegal to kill one. Not that I was ever planning on killing a hamster, but I just didn't know if it was, like, punishable by law.

[The Kid Laroi]

Exactly.

[Jake]

Yeah. I'm just saying, like, I didn't know if it was punishable by law. We also learned that you live in a hotel.

[The Kid Laroi]

We learned I live in a hotel. I mean, I didn't learn that. You learned that.

[Jake]

Yes, I learned that you live in a hotel and you live in the Suite Life of Sack and Cody vibes that really.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Do you know what I'm talking about?

[The Kid Laroi]

I Know exactly. Okay, I know. That's why I was like, yeah. Yes, yes, I am. And we learned that. We learned that people are going through some, I guess, and have some crazy roommates and slash sisters. Slash going on.

[Jake]

And we learned that you have new music on the way. Oh, I learned that.

[The Kid Laroi]

Fuck, yeah.

[Jake]

I guess they even talk about.

[The Kid Laroi]

We didn't talk.

[Jake]

Should we. For like five seconds and we could.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, dude, we spent all this time talking about fucking hamsters.

[Jake]

Okay, so before we end, tell me about your new project and when you see it coming out and what the vision is and everything about it.

[The Kid Laroi]

I don't know. This project is like. It's like a lot. It's a lot more fun, you know, I mean, it's still obviously personal. There's still like, super personal songs on there and. And. And whatever. And, you know, I always describe this project as being like a happy project, like having fun, dancing type of thing. But there are, like, still sad songs on there. There's still like, you know, there is still. Still those type of pockets on that. But, I mean, I don't know. I kind of went into it just being like, I wanted to make music that I could, like, play like on a night out or something, you know, Like, I think, like, this is like a really weird thing, but, like, I noticed that when I would, like, go outside, like, to like, a club or something, and like, the DJ might be like, yo, yo, like, I want to play one of your songs. Like, what song should I play? And I would be like. And I'll be like, I don't really have any songs that, like, you can play right now that, like, right. Will feel, you know. I mean, the closest one was really like, stay or something like that. But I don't know. Yeah, I kind of realized, like, damn, I don't have a lot of, like, music for, like, this type of environment. And so I guess, like, the mission in the beginning was like, I just want to make music that, like, that, like, can be played outside and played for people to have fun and dance to. Because I kind of have made, like, a lot of sad music and a lot of, like, you know, kind of more emotional leaning stuff. And there's still that stuff on there, but I don't know, just taking a bit more sonic risk melodically, trying new things, you know, been working with, you know, different people and just trying to, like, experiment. I did. Yeah. So just a lot of that and kind of figure, you know, in the beginning that was like, the intention. Then it Kind of became the project. Kind of became like a whole story now.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

Which is cool. Which is how it usually goes anyway. You set out with, like, one intention, and then it kind of like shapes into, like, this, like, body of work vibe.

[Jake]

What do you think the story of the album is?

[The Kid Laroi]

I mean, it's really. It's really like a love album, you know, I. Which is. Which is cool. You know, it's a lot of love songs, and so I'm not going to give way too much. But, yeah, it's. It's just. It's, you know, it's not like a, you know, top to bottom, like, exact, you know, story, but, like, when you. When you. Funny enough, like, now that it's sequenced, when I listen to it, top the butt, top to bottom, I'm like, wow, that's cool. It feels like a little.

[Jake]

Makes sense.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. Like, it feels like it strings together. It feels like a. A full, like, thing. And. And, yeah, it's cool. Right now we're just. Right. It's. It's done. The album.

[Jake]

The album's done.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's done. Yeah, it's done. Right now we're just working on little transitions and little, like, skits. All the songs itself are actually done and they're, like, ready to go. We're about to, like, shoot the album cover next week, and it's. It's. It's coming around really quickly, which is really crazy. But, yeah, I don't know. I think it was just about. I also, this. This album, I didn't want to overthink too much, you know, Last album took me, like, two and a half years to make. And this. I was just kind of, like, not overthinking a lot of songs. Although naturally, now that it's done, I'm definitely, like, over there.

[Jake]

You just kind of have to get it out.

[The Kid Laroi]

But I'm. But I'm just kind of like, yeah, listening to that now. I'm like, all right, I gotta try and take a break from, like, even listening to this. I still. I still, you know, I still do. I. I listen to my songs when I make them a lot, which I think, you know, because I'm trying to, like, hear things or I'm trying to, like, figure out, okay, what is a slot or what is this, you know, whatever. But. And then. But then sometimes I get to a point where I play it so much that then I stop picking little different things and I'm like, oh, I can't change this. Or it's gonna just change the song.

[Jake]

Right?

[The Kid Laroi]

You know. And it's gonna change how I felt about it in the moment. But, yeah, I think, like. Yeah, I think we're making a track list in general. I'm always very conscious of, like, what's the story that's being told, how things are going, and. Yeah, I'm just really excited for people to hear it. I think it's like, I'm really happy with it and, like, my friends like it, you know, and that's all we.

[Jake]

Can really know, you know, this album, number three, four.

[The Kid Laroi]

It's technically number two. Technically. But, like, some would say number three because the first. The first album was, like, technically classified as a mixtape, but it was an album.

[Jake]

Got it.

[The Kid Laroi]

Like it was.

[Jake]

That's where I don't.

[The Kid Laroi]

I like to claim it as a mixtape because I just don't like to claim it as an album.

[Jake]

Right.

[The Kid Laroi]

You know?

[Jake]

Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

But it is. It is technically, like, it was a. Yeah, it was an album. So it's. It's number two, but I guess number three to some people.

[Jake]

I'm excited to hear it.

[The Kid Laroi]

Thanks, bro. Yeah, I wanna. When it's. When it's fully done, I want to send you, like, a real.

[Jake]

Yeah, I'm excited.

[The Kid Laroi]

Yeah. Yeah. What was your favorite? I'm curious. I know what your favorite one that.

[Jake]

You sent me was because I sent.

[The Kid Laroi]

You a bunch of random things at one time that I just kind of like.

[Jake]

My favorite one that you sent me was move your body. I love move your body.

[The Kid Laroi]

Let's go.

[Jake]

Yeah, I was into it. I was like, I want to hear this on night out. Yeah.

[The Kid Laroi]

Wow.

[Jake]

Well, our next night out.

[The Kid Laroi]

We did the job.

[Jake]

Yeah, you did do the job.

[The Kid Laroi]

Let's go.

[Jake]

Well, Leroy, thank you for coming on. Therapist.

[The Kid Laroi]

Thanks for having me. I was really excited.

[Jake]

You have fun.

[The Kid Laroi]

I had so much fun, and I was really excited about this. Pride.

[Jake]

Me too. I was so excited.

[The Kid Laroi]

So hyped. Yeah.

[Jake]

Will you give a little. Bye.

[The Kid Laroi]

Bye.

[Jake]

Bye.

[The Kid Laroi]

Bye.