Session 92: Dylan Efron

Summary

THERAPUSS with Jake Shane
Session 92: Dylan Efron
Release Date: September 4, 2025

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Overview

In this episode of THERAPUSS, host Jake Shane welcomes Dylan Efron — adventurer, producer, and newly announced contestant on Dancing with the Stars. The duo shares a deeply engaging, humorous, and occasionally revealing conversation about gratitude, growing up, favorite years, long-distance relationships, fitness, travel, their thoughts on pop culture, and the quirks of millennial and Gen Z habits. The episode also features a special “Tell Me What’s Wrong” dating Q&A, sponsored by Bumble.

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1. Guest Introduction & Background

[02:14–02:53]

• Jake introduces Dylan as a friend he met on a Samsung shoot and describes Dylan’s humor and warmth.
• Dylan brings along his dog Buoy (“He goes everywhere with me” – Dylan, [02:22]), telling the story of rescuing him right after returning from filming Down to Earth Season 2.
• Quick discussion of environmental efforts and composting. (“I try to be [sustainable]. I recycle and stuff.” – Dylan, [03:09])

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2. The Path to Content Creation

[02:49–03:52]

• Down to Earth emerged from a passion for travel and sustainability shared with his brother, Zac Efron.
• Jake quizzes Dylan on his eco habits (“Do you compost?” Jake, [03:14]) and the two joke about compost mishaps (“I threw out leftover meat in the compost, and everyone was telling me that’s not what it’s for.” – Jake, [03:28]).

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3. Life Aspirations & Farm Dream

[03:43–05:09]

• Dylan expresses a desire to live on a farm, ideally close to California. “If I had kids and stuff, I would love to move out somewhere.” ([03:55])
• He imagines a quirky farm business: "Misguided Compost Chickens... Misguided Compost Environment. Efron." ([05:01])
• Lighter, rapid-fire banter about what he'd sell (eggs, exotic fruit) and joking about chickens’ composting powers.

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4. Reality TV Experiences: “The Traitors”

[05:12–07:23]

• Describes the intense filming of “The Traitors” and balancing union work rules.
• Favorite part: the adrenaline-packed roundtable and camaraderie with other cast (“We’re bringing 20 very interesting people all into the same castle…that was really what stood out to me.” – Dylan, [06:08])
• Reflects on gratitude: “It was truly an unforgettable moment.” ([06:29])

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5. From Behind the Scenes to Center Stage

[07:23–08:03]

• Dylan’s past as a PA at Warner Brothers, adjusting to being in front of the camera.
• Social media gave him confidence: “I just have to be comfortable in who I am…and that’s why it took me a while to ever, like, share my story and stuff.” ([07:32])

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6. On Gratitude, Complaining & Journaling

[08:03–10:24]

• Jake confides he’s been called ungrateful; Dylan talks about “catching yourself” in complaints.
• They bond over attempts at journaling. Notable quote: “You don’t need to journal that much. You can write two sentences, and that’s your journal for the day.” – Jake, [09:03]
• Dylan notes, “I have an active brain… my inner voice can be super negative…when I go to journal it, I can’t write negative things about myself. Instead, it’s all these nice things.” ([09:49])

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7. Physical Health, Exercise & Injuries

[11:28–14:32]

• Dylan’s recent back issues and visit to the Hamptons: “I threw out my back…my agent had to come help me put my pants on.” ([12:05])
• Jake: “Is that age?” Dylan: “I’ve been throwing out my back since I was 25…everyone that says your body gets worse as you get older, I don’t believe that.” ([12:22])
• Exercise is essential for Dylan’s happiness: “My ability to work out and sweat…is so tied to my happiness, which I wish it wasn’t that way, but it really is.” ([12:48])
• Dylan’s Ironman experiences: “My fastest Ironman, I finished in ten and a half hours…you just do it [pee] while you’re running and no one knows.” ([13:31], [13:56])

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8. TV Shows, Pop Culture & Streaming Habits

[15:05–24:18]

• Jake pitches a show about finding the best hotel AC; they bond over AC units.
• Deep dive into their favorite and least favorite TV series: Dylan is a fan of “Mobland” (“Start Mobland. It is so scripted, but not over the top…you can never predict what’s gonna happen, but it feels realistic.” – Dylan, [21:32]); Jake obsessed with “Scandal.”
• Laments about not finishing third seasons or finales out of reluctance to let things end.

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9. Reflections on High School & College

[34:07–46:02]

• Dylan and Jake recount how music was played at parties in high school (“It probably would have been… a computer with a stereo setup.” – Dylan, [34:40])
• Their favorite years/eras: Senior year of high school for Dylan (“It was incredible…just hanging... road tripping to a random river to cliff jump.” – Dylan, [35:09]); Jake offers stories about youthful rebellion, fake IDs, and learning to embrace independence.
• Nostalgia and cultural shifts: the dopamine of Facebook birthdays and events, party invitations, and MySpace top friends [27:09–29:34].

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10. Physical Activities, Outdoor Freedom & Body Image

[36:17–39:43]

• Jake asks what adventure is like for Dylan (“You just look around…jumped into a water hole, stopped at dunes, all sweating in a car together.” – Dylan, [36:33])
• Hilarious confessions about taking shirts off outdoors: “I love being shirtless. It’s such a good feeling. You feel the sun on you. I’m no longer constricted by my sleeves.” – Dylan, [38:48]
• Jake: “How does it feel…to take your shirt off and be like, I look good?” ([38:20])

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11. More About Hydration & Food

[39:53–40:41]

• Dylan’s hydration hacks: “I put stuff in [my water]…like BCAAs, Ultima hydration packs.”
• Preference for water with added flavor, practical details.

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12. Driving and Milestones

[46:30–48:01]

• Dylan is shocked to learn Jake doesn’t have a driver’s license (“You Uber everywhere?” – Dylan, [47:09]), offers to teach him: “Let’s make a day of this. We can train you up, like, two sessions and then take you to the DMV.” ([47:51])

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13. Dancing with the Stars: Why Dylan Is Doing It

[48:38–51:29]

• Dylan reveals he’s never danced in public, but wants to embrace the challenge: “Maybe this’ll make me dance more, which would make me happier.” ([48:47])
• Needed convincing: “Everyone that’s been on the show says it’s one of those memories they’ll cherish their whole life.” ([50:17])
• Jake’s excitement for Dylan’s journey (“I’m so excited for you. I can’t wait to see it.” – Jake, [49:22])

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14. “Tell Me What’s Wrong” – Bumble-Themed Dating Q&A

[51:41–59:57]

• Topics: Breakups without tears; long-distance relationships; situationships; dating inexperience and self-judgment.
• Notable responses:
  • “Not at all. Good for her, right?” (on not grieving a breakup – Dylan, [52:10])
  • “The best part of a long distance relationship is when you do see each other…” – Dylan, [54:22]
  • “You just been in like a yearlong situationship” (Jake, [56:57])
  • Dylan admits, “Some people have issues being vulnerable with new people…that’s the best part of relationship, is they understand you.” ([57:04])

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15. Astrology Mini-Rant

[53:25–59:05]

• Dylan and Jake swap star signs and moon/rising chart banter, with much confusion and play (Scorpio vs. Aquarius, Pisces Moon, and “Does C-section affect your rising?” musings).

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16. Music & Life’s Lessons

[60:01–61:08]

• What Dylan’s listening to: Burna Boy, Harry Styles, UK rap, country.
• “What did we learn today?” wrap-up: Jake still can’t drive; Dylan loves nature; plans to document Jake’s license journey.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “I’ve had Buoy about five years. He goes everywhere with me.” – Dylan, [02:22]
• “You can write two sentences, and that’s your journal for the day.” – Jake, [09:03]
• “I love being shirtless. It’s such a good feeling. You feel the sun on you. I’m no longer constricted by my sleeves.” – Dylan, [38:48]
• “Maybe this’ll make me dance more, which would make me happier.” – Dylan, [48:47]
• “Let’s make a day of this…train you up…and take you to the DMV.” – Dylan, about teaching Jake to drive, [47:51]
• “Some people have issues being vulnerable with new people…that’s the best part of relationship, is they understand you.” – Dylan, [57:04]
• “Aquarius is like the best sign by far. I love it.” – Dylan, [53:29]

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Timestamped Highlights

• [02:14–05:09]: Dylan’s upbringing, Buoy, compost humor, farm aspirations
• [05:12–07:23]: “The Traitors” experiences, favorites, gratitude
• [11:28–14:32]: Health setbacks, Ironman stories, the “pee your pants” method
• [27:09–29:34]: Social media nostalgia, Facebook wall birthdays, MySpace top tens
• [35:09–36:17]: High school adventure stories & nature road trips
• [46:30–48:01]: Jake’s lack of a driver’s license, new adventures with Dylan
• [48:38–51:29]: Thoughts and anxieties about Dancing with the Stars
• [51:41–59:57]: “Tell Me What’s Wrong” – candid, supportive discussions on dating and heartbreak

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Closing

Dylan’s openness, Jake’s comedic vulnerability, and the pair’s playful rapport make this a standout episode. Whether discussing compost, competitive reality TV, the relatable absurdities of adulthood, or how to survive your first heartbreak, Session 92 is packed with nostalgia, empathy, and laughter—perfect for listeners seeking both entertainment and sincere life advice.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Thank you for having me. I'm excited. Oh my gosh.

[A]

Well, can you tell the viewers about who this is before we begin?

[B]

This is Buoy and he, he looks. Oh yeah, he's, he's hamming it up. Yeah, I've had Buoy about five years. He, he's like goes everywhere with me.

[A]

Really did.

[B]

And you rescued him yeah, he was a rescue from. I stand with my pack. They're. They're a great organization. But I got him right at the end of COVID and then.

[A]

So he's a co dog, I guess.

[B]

So I just come back from filming down to Earth Season 2, and then came home, got him immediately, so.

[A]

Okay. And how did. Did the idea for down to Earth start from just, like, all your travel vlogs?

[B]

Yeah, pretty much like that. That was always what Zach and I loved the most was like, how can we travel? How can we turn the, like, what we love into a show? And so it kind of matched all these boxes for us. It was like, sustainability travel and then us traveling the world.

[A]

Oh, are you sustainable?

[B]

Yeah, I try to be.

[A]

Recycle and stuff?

[B]

Yeah, I recycle and stuff. Okay.

[A]

Do you compost?

[B]

I've tried. I'm not good at it.

[A]

What is compost?

[B]

Compost is, like, all the scraps of all your food waste and everything, and then it. It becomes this very. So it's me dense. Yeah.

[A]

I knew it was meat. I was, you know, I was throwing out leftover meat in the compost, and everyone was telling me that that's not what it's for.

[B]

No, I think. I think it's mostly like, fruit and stuff. Like fruit, banana peels.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Stuff like that. And then it becomes this nutrient dense stuff that you can repurpose.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't have a big yard. I like. I don't. Like if I lived on a farm and had chickens. Yeah.

[A]

Do you want to live on a farm and have chickens?

[B]

I would love that.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Like, in how many years would you want to live on a farm and have chickens?

[B]

Oh, gosh. Like, probably two. Like, if I had kids and stuff, I would love to move out somewhere.

[A]

Two years? Yeah, two years. You want to live on a farm and have chickens? Yeah. Where would your. Where would you want your farm?

[B]

Probably, like, it's so hard for me to leave California because I'm born and raised here, so maybe somewhere like Ojai or. Or just close enough that I could still get to the city.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Or even in my hometown, like, St. Louis, Bisbaria.

[A]

Would you sell stuff out of your farm?

[B]

Yeah, I think so.

[A]

What would you sell?

[B]

I already mentioned chickens, I think, like, eggs. I don't know. I. I'd probably try to find, like, a random thing, like avocados or something or like a random fruit that's, like, exotic, and I'd be known for that. I'm, like, selling dragon fruits right so.

[A]

What are the chickens there for?

[B]

For my compost. For my compost.

[A]

Okay. Okay. And so what would you like call your farm business?

[B]

Misguided. Misguided compost. Yeah, from traders.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Misguided compost Chickens.

[A]

Misguided compost. Environment. Efron.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

I like it. Wait, so can you tell me how Traders was? I mean I'm sure you've talked about it at nauseam, but how did you enjoy it?

[B]

I loved it. I remember my first day. Like I'm used to like union stuff. So it's like you have 12 hours on. We finished it like 2, 3am and I was like, oh, at least we don't have to start till 3 the next day my call time was like 7 and I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[A]

Is it not union?

[B]

It is, but they like somehow work the system like you are. You were in it. So like right when we got too tired, they could, they would know and they would give us like a full day rest.

[A]

So what was like the most fun part of it? Like you. But I heard you were like in the game. Yeah, like I heard you were like that you were dead serious about it.

[B]

I was, yeah. I'm competitive in that way. The best part was truly like just I. I'd say that's twofold. It was like those round table moments where like my heart was beating through my chest like that.

[A]

It was like it was serious.

[B]

So serious and scary. So like that's fun for that. But then also just all the off camera laughs like you're. We're bringing 20 like very interesting people all into the same castle and like getting to know everyone, hearing all their stories, like that was really what stood out to me.

[A]

Would you do it again?

[B]

I would, yeah, I would.

[A]

I feel like it looks really fun.

[B]

I, I think that's, that's like my thing is like if I did it again, who knows how I would do whatever it is. But it's like it was such a memorable experience to me and that's what life's about. Like I'll always look back at that year and be like, wow, that was truly an unforgettable moment.

[A]

Is what was like your favorite year of your life so far?

[B]

Oh wow. I would hard to argue with this last one.

[A]

Like the Traders year.

[B]

Yeah, the Traders year. Like it was just so new to me. Like all this like I've got to go to so many fancy events and like I, I don't know, I'm so grateful for it all. So I think it was, it's so noteworthy because it was different than I've. The rest of my life. The rest of my life. I've been very humble, like, doing my own thing, and I don't know, just kind of living, like, living my. What I like and stuff. This year was just so different, so I like it.

[A]

Well, you used to work as a pa, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So was it when you were on set for Traders? Like, did it feel weird that you were on the opposite side of it?

[B]

A little. I think social media helped a lot with that because, like, when I. Yeah, I worked at Warner Brothers for seven years and was, like, on set and always behind the camera, so I. I understand how that world works. And then social media really helped me, like, find my voice and be comfortable in who I am. So then when I started stepping in front of camera, I was like, okay, I'm not this nervous kid that, like, can't be on screen. Like, I thought I was like, I can. I just have to be comfortable in who I am and that. I think that's why it took me a while to ever, like, share my story and stuff.

[A]

Right, right. And so you said, like, you're a grateful person.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

How do you do that?

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

Like, like. Well, I've been told often by someone that shall not be named Louise that I am ungrateful. So I would just like to know how you practice gratitude.

[B]

How do I practice gratitude? I know what you mean, though, because it's like, you talk about first world problems, and, like, first world problems can really.

[A]

Well, I just, like, love to complain.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I woke up today and I.

[B]

Was like, I think it's. I think it's just you have to catch yourself in those moments once in a while and be like, wow, like, this is not the end of the world. Like, this is such a small blip, and I have so much to be thankful for.

[A]

Totally. How do you do that?

[B]

I will say, have you ever journaled? That's kind of me.

[A]

Look, I tried, like, twice.

[B]

Same.

[A]

I tried twice, but I. But I was told what changed my life the other day was like, you don't need to journal that much. Like, you can write two sentences, and that's your journal for the day.

[B]

Same. So, like, I. I've done it. I've gone through phases. I cannot continue doing it.

[A]

Okay, wait, wait, wait. What would you want to journal? Like, together? Like, we'll hold each other accountable for journaling.

[B]

Wait, I'm in for. This is good. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That scared me.

[A]

Hi, puppy. So I'm down to journal like that.

[B]

And it'll probably fade to like once a week, but now even.

[A]

Well, how many? Yeah, probably once a week.

[B]

But I'm down because I want to be held accountable. What I was going to say about journaling is like, I'm sure you're the same way. Like, I have an active brain. Like, my inner voice can be super negative. And like, what? Yeah.

[A]

Not get that. I know. Tell me more.

[B]

I think everybody's can be negative. So, like, I'll be hard on myself or something. Like, I. I don't know, like, maybe like, I think I was journaling during Traders and I was mad at myself for doing something. So, like, my inner voice, I'm like, God, I can't believe I made that mistake. I go to write it down in a journal. I can't write negative things about myself. It's like I'm. I'm thinking these negative things how, oh, I wish I could have. Would have done this. I'm an idiot. And then I go to journal it and I'm like, you tried your best. You were yourself. You were authentic. And it's like all these nice things.

[A]

Let me ask you, can you type negative things about yourself?

[B]

I haven't tried that. Okay.

[A]

Because I do that frequently. But I think that's so interesting. I'm going to try to write negative about myself today and let you know that we're positive. Right. Okay. Papiana.

[B]

Hey, you're going crazy. Boo. Get up here.

[A]

Did you. Were you able to bring him on set for Traders?

[B]

No, I wish I kept saying that.

[A]

Were you sad?

[B]

Yeah, because Alan got to bring his dog and I would see him every day.

[A]

What a double standard.

[B]

No, but I was saying there should be a version where we all bring our dogs.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It would be like. It would feel like a home, big castle with dogs running everywhere.

[A]

What was the word you taught me again? Dust.

[B]

Dust. Have you used.

[A]

No, but. Have you been using tears?

[B]

No. Have you. Is it. Has it faded yet or are you still.

[A]

It's dust.

[B]

It's dust.

[A]

It's dust for me. Louise, do you remember dust? I need to start using tears more. All right, dust more. I use tears enough. Tears is the best, though, because like. Like I woke up yesterday at 6am it was tears.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For you it would be dust.

[B]

No, I hurt. I threw out my back and I would.

[A]

Like, that's yours?

[B]

Yeah. Tears and dust.

[A]

When did you throw out your back?

[B]

I did it. Oh, God. I did it like two days ago when I was in the. The Hamptons. It was. What?

[A]

You were in the Hamptons two days ago.

[B]

I was. For what?

[A]

Just fun.

[B]

Yeah, okay, but, but it was so stupid. I was. Yeah, I literally, I watched this like, Sex and the City clip where Miranda, like, fell in the shower and then someone had to.

[A]

Do you watch Sex in the City?

[B]

A little bit. Not a lot. A little's like, I've probably watched like 15 episodes.

[A]

That's a lot.

[B]

But it was literally that, like, my agent had to come in and like, help me put my pants on because I couldn't. What? Yeah, I couldn't move. I was like, Garrett, like this cone rat.

[A]

Like, is that age?

[B]

I don't know. I've always done stuff like this.

[A]

How old are you?

[B]

33.

[A]

I knew that, but it feels like everybody's 33 these days. I. Dinner with someone, 33.

[B]

I, I. You were, you were saying you're like, scared of turning 25. 26. Yeah, yeah. Life gets better.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, Like, I've been throwing out my back since 20, since I was 25. Like, everyone that says your body gets worse as you get older, like, I, I don't believe that.

[A]

Okay, but you're, you like to work out a lot, so what do you, how do you work out if you throw out your back?

[B]

I can't. And that's when I get depressed and starts, start getting angry. I, I, I. My like, ability to work out and like sweat and stuff is so tied to my happiness, which I wish it wasn't that way, but it really is.

[A]

Have you been like that your entire life?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Even more so in the past because, like, I, in my probably like early 20s and stuff, I was doing iron mans and like super competitive triathlons.

[A]

What's it Iron man again?

[B]

Iron Man's like the marathon. A two mile swimming and 110 mile bike.

[A]

So it's like, what's the point?

[B]

Yeah, exactly. That's why I don't do it anymore.

[A]

But did you ever complete one?

[B]

Yeah. I was like.

[A]

And how do you. Okay.

[B]

I was good.

[A]

Have you ever your pants on one?

[B]

No. You pee your pants a lot?

[A]

You peed your pants? Oh, you wear a diaper?

[B]

Yeah. No, you just do it while you're running and no one knows because you.

[A]

Have to pee so bad.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, and you do it on the bike. You like, kind of just hop off the bike a little bit. Like, hop off the seat. And then once you start, you're like, all right, you could pedal through it everything. But like, the worst is when you're following someone and they start peeing and you're like, ah, no way.

[A]

The time. Or is it just. Is it, is it, what is it?

[B]

Like my fastest Iron man, I finished in ten and a half hours, so it's. I had to pee.

[A]

And why though, again?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you ever like take a break to breathe or is it just non stop?

[B]

No, you can't. Like for me, I was competing, so I was on. No headphones, nothing. Like just. Yeah.

[A]

So what do you listen to?

[B]

No, you couldn't listen. No headphones, so. Oh.

[A]

Like, what's going through your head?

[B]

So again, my inner voice race being.

[A]

Like, I'm doing an iron man.

[B]

Yeah. Like I could do this. Like either, either positive or negative depending on the race. Yeah. Some people do have to stop if they have to poop their pants.

[A]

Like really?

[B]

Luckily that never happened to me.

[A]

Have you ever been behind someone that's their pants?

[B]

No, but I've seen people running into the urinals, which would suck. Like if you're on a 10 hour race, you're like up there competing for first or second and then you have to run into the urinal to take a crap. That's like, that's got to be a take a crap.

[A]

I haven't heard that. It's so long. Do you use that frequently?

[B]

I guess. Wow. Once a day.

[A]

Oh, I have not heard that in so long. Wait, so what season of down to Earth are you guys on now?

[B]

We, we, we're wrapped up. We've done two.

[A]

You're done?

[B]

We're done with that franchise. Like Zach and I have talked about starting a new show and I think, I think we can start filming that next next year.

[A]

Okay. Can I pitch something to you?

[B]

Yeah, let's hear it.

[A]

I don't like nature at all. Sorry. I mean, I respect it like deeply, but my version of like a vacation is like the strongest WI fi connection in air conditioned room no matter what fucking temperature it is outside. So would you ever do a show where you found the best air conditioned hotels across America and the world?

[B]

This would never sell.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Let's see. How can we make it fun? Oh, the hotel. God, the hotel in Montauk. That's such good ac.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, what's the best AC you've ever been in?

[B]

It has to be somewhere that's like.

[A]

Humid because I know mine.

[B]

What's yours?

[A]

My old apartment when I was growing up in New York, we had this massive AC in the living room. And I would just stand there on summer days and put my whole body in front of the AC and be like, wow, life is beautiful.

[B]

See, I'm a fan of, like, the small AC units in hotels. No, like, the ones that are, like, in the corner that are all white, and you don't know what any of the buttons do, but they, like, pump a huge fan at you.

[A]

Like, I lost shape. Are they.

[B]

They're those, like, white machines, I think, that are, like. I don't know. They look like they're out of the 1920s. And they're always in, like, the corner of the room, and they just pump AC out. Like, I like that kind over the big central.

[A]

I hate central ac.

[B]

Yeah, it's terrible.

[A]

You want to know what's diabolical?

[B]

What?

[A]

Central AC on an airplane.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Might as well crash.

[B]

Yeah. Some of them have, like, the. Some of them have, like, the phone or the white, like, steam come out. Like, Delta has that.

[A]

Delta has personable ac. I don't know if that's the word, but you can turn your lid. There's three knobs for two people, which I respect, and you can turn the knobs as much as you need. And they usually start once the, like. You know, I'm like, in another life, Dylan.

[B]

Delta is pretty awesome.

[A]

Are you a Delta boy?

[B]

I've been converted.

[A]

I've been converted to.

[B]

What's your status right now? I am Platinum medallion.

[A]

Me, too. And I'm about to be Diamond.

[B]

How? Like, you're almost there.

[A]

Like, I have two more flights. Well, actually, one more flight.

[B]

What do you get at Diamond?

[A]

I don't know. I don't know, but I'm really. Actually. When we were on set for Samsung together, the girl who was doing, I think it was, like, nails and stuff was like, I am Delta Diamond. And sometimes they, like, pick me up from the plane when I land.

[B]

See? So, like, next time you're hard on yourself and ungrateful, just be like, I'm Delta Diamond. Like, I have nothing to be sad about.

[A]

Like, honestly, I guess it'll pick you up. What were you before Delta?

[B]

United. And I've got the highest on that one.

[A]

Oh, what's that? What's that about?

[B]

It's called Platinum. Premium. No, Premium. Premier Platinum.

[A]

Okay. And what. Why were you a United King?

[B]

The most international flights, I'd say.

[A]

You're lying.

[B]

I swear.

[A]

Like, United.

[B]

Yeah. If you look up, like, most flight flights of any airlines, United's number one. And they fly internationally, like, everywhere.

[A]

Okay, so tell me why you switched to Delta.

[B]

I didn't fully switch. I status matched, and now I'm in the Delta as well. So I'm getting both status.

[A]

Okay. Have you ever been to the Delta One lounge?

[B]

That's why I switched. It's incredible.

[A]

It's pretty life changing.

[B]

You know what I did on this last trip to Montauk was like, I went. So I went before and like, got the meal at lax.

[A]

Then we landed, like, at the Delta One restaurants.

[B]

At the Delta, what did you.

[A]

What meal did you get?

[B]

Sushi. And how was so good? It's so. Such good sushi. What? Like, this is why this last year is so cool to me. Like, I. The fact that I know all this about first class flights.

[A]

I never knew it either.

[B]

Exactly. I've been like, slumming it in the back for so long that this is like the best perk in the world.

[A]

Wait, so what's your age difference between you and Zach?

[B]

4 and a half years.

[A]

So.

[B]

So there's. There's a few.

[A]

That's not big at all.

[B]

No, no. Like, we grew up together, but he was definitely like the. The older brother.

[A]

So was it like. So, okay, so when you were in, like, so what age did he do High School Musical?

[B]

Oh, early. Like, he was probably 16 or 17.

[A]

So you were 12, so you showed up to school like. Yeah. You know that movie you're watching?

[B]

Yeah. I think I was probably a freshman in high school when High School Musical came out. Like, I remember watching it with a few of my friends, like, downstairs with my dad. Like.

[A]

And did any of you, like, anticipate?

[B]

No, not at all. But, like, the weirdest thing to say about it is, like, I had no idea anything in the movie industry. Like, I knew my brother was going to be on a Disney show. So it was so exciting to me. Like, to me, it was already my Super Bowl. The fact that it turned into something as big as it was, like, it was already that big to me. So, like, I. And then as far as, like, my brother, like, I always looked up to him. Like, when I was 12, he was 16 with muscles and stuff, like, working out. So I'm always like, how do you work out? Like, he was teaching me that stuff. So, like, I always looked up to him. So then when everyone else started looking up to him, it was like, of course it's my big brother. So that. That's kind of how it always felt. So I was never surprised that he became what he was, what he is.

[A]

That's crazy. I love High School Musical. You know, I've never seen the third one.

[B]

You have it. The third one's awesome.

[A]

I have this Thing, though, where I always miss the third one in every movie series.

[B]

Is it a thing that, like, you don't want it to end?

[A]

Maybe because I never finished. Have you ever seen Friday Night Lights? Yeah, I've never seen the last episode of Friday Night Lights.

[B]

I do the same thing. I get to the last episode, and then I, like, don't want it to end. I just don't watch it. Like, I did that with the Michael Jordan documentary. I did it with Swing or no Stick, the one that just came out. Most series, I don't watch the last.

[A]

You really like sports, huh? I do, yeah. What else do you watch?

[B]

I just finished Mobland. Have you watched that? Oh, do you like. Do you like.

[A]

When I had Covid in 2021, I was addicted to the mafia. Like, addicted. Like, I watched all this mafia stuff. Like, I was talking like a wise guy. Like, I was, like, in it to win it.

[B]

Start Mobland. It is so scripted. Scripted, but not over the top. Like, my least favorite thing is when I. I always use Ozark as an example.

[A]

I've never seen Ozark.

[B]

Okay, well, don'. So I use it as a negative. Like, season one of Ozark. I'm like. I'm excited, and I'm like, this is a good show. Pretty soon, like, second season, third season, it's like, I can see the writers being like, let's, like, all right, if. If the main character is in this position, this is what people expect. This is what people won't expect. Let's do this. Which no one would ever expect. Super unrealistic. So it was just, like, so unrealistic. Unrealistic. And it feels like they're just, like, a bunch of writers thinking of the craziest thing that could happen. That's, like, when I fall off of shows. So I fell off of Ozark big time. Mobland is the same way. Like, you can never predict what's gonna happen, but it feels realistic.

[A]

Okay. Have you ever seen the Sopranos?

[B]

No, I haven't.

[A]

Seems like you would love it.

[B]

I would.

[A]

I've never seen it either. Have you ever seen Breaking Bad?

[B]

Yeah. Well, the best, great, incredible. But I could rewatch it. It's been.

[A]

Well, I'm rewatching Scandal right now, which I doubt you've seen. Yeah, she nodded. Scandal will talk about unrealistic, but it will quite literally. Like, I. When I watched Kendall, like, I'm. Like, I've never felt this way before about us. Like, I can't control, like, my feelings about the show. Like, I, like, moan, I scream. I yell like, I can't. Like, I've never. Like, I can't describe to you how amazing it is. It's seven seasons. It's a soap opera, essentially, about you. Kind of just gotta watch.

[B]

Who's the lead in it?

[A]

Kerry Washington, Tony Goldwyn.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And Scott Foley.

[B]

I'll watch it. I just finished Mobland in, like, two days, so I need something new.

[A]

Scan. Oh, my God, I'm gonna be sick thinking about it, like, every single night. I've been watching Scandal and I just go to bed and I'm like, I know. She's. They've got me. They've got me. It's really that good. Like, and I think. Have you ever seen Goodfellas?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, well, that's the mafia show movie I watched when I was sick.

[B]

What's your, like. What's your genre of things to watch? Are you, like, a feel good, or do you, like. You want, like, anxiety right before bed?

[A]

I just want to, like, be like, oh, my God, I wasn't expecting that.

[B]

Okay, watch problem. That's my pitch.

[A]

Or Ozark.

[B]

No, Ozark. Stupid.

[A]

What?

[B]

No one ever literally, like, season one's good. That's. I'll give it that.

[A]

Okay. Have you seen Weapons yet?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay, well, the girlfriend, weapons.

[B]

I haven't. I. I feel like you've listed, like, six that I haven't watched, and I'm questioning myself.

[A]

No, no. I just have a lot of time on my hands.

[B]

I watched Escape from Dannemora. Did you watch that one?

[A]

I know that existed. What is that?

[B]

Did you watch Severance?

[A]

Well, of course.

[B]

Okay, so the same director, it's Ben Stiller, directed this Escape from Prison that's, like, based on a true story.

[A]

Have you ever seen Prison Break? Yeah, I've never seen Prison Break. Maybe I should dive in.

[B]

It was so good.

[A]

Apparently people really love it.

[B]

The OG seasons again, it fell off a little bit.

[A]

That's what I've heard.

[B]

The first two seasons are so fun.

[A]

Okay, maybe I'll give it a shot. Dylan, what are you therapist about today?

[B]

Like, what do I want to dive into?

[A]

No, like, what are you angry about?

[B]

What am I angry about? My. My back spasm.

[A]

Still? It's still thrown out.

[B]

It's. It's, like, getting better. But. Yeah, I just went through this little phase of injuries that's really been frustrating me.

[A]

What other injuries?

[B]

I got vertigo for the first time.

[A]

What is that? Because my dad says he has that, and I just don't believe.

[B]

My mom says she gets it, and it's one of those things that you don't believe. Like, my. I. I always try to. Like, as soon as I show up to my mom's house, I'm like, hey, let's go for a walk. It's, like, such an annoying little, like, thing I do, but I always want to get her out and, like, it's more fun for me to catch up with her while we're doing something active.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So, like, I show up. Let's go for a walk. And she's like, oh, no, I have vertigo. Like, right now. I don't want to. And it's like, when you hear someone say that, you're just like, that sounds like an excuse. When I had vertigo. Oh, my God.

[A]

What is that?

[B]

The world feels like you're, like, about to fall over. Like, I couldn't look at my phone because it was my phone was this. So, like, I was out walking buoy. I'm walking down the hill, and I was like, I'm gonna fall down. Like, it looked like I was about, like. Like, on the edge of a cliff, and I was just, like, sweating.

[A]

You can't go on your phone?

[B]

No.

[A]

So how do you fix that?

[B]

It just went away. But it was.

[A]

So how long were you not able to, like, go on electric?

[B]

About a day and a half. I had so many messages that I was just, like, trying to respond. I'm like, I can't.

[A]

Isn't that the best feeling? One time, I was away for two weeks, and I got two texts, and I was like, I know people knew I was away, but I'm still really offended.

[B]

Yeah, that was like, traders.

[A]

Wait, you didn't get texts when you turn your phone on from traders?

[B]

No, because we did. Because they announced the cast while we're out there, so we hadn't had our phone for a full week. They. They announced the cast. So I opened my phone after not having it for a week, and then I was just flooded with messages. I was just like, oh, like, that was an overload.

[A]

It wasn't good feeling.

[B]

No. I couldn't even look at the phone.

[A]

I love an overload of messages. It's like on my birthday when I wake up. Yeah.

[B]

Do you remember, like, your first birthday that, like, you had social media that you got, like, a hundred or a thousand messages?

[A]

You know, it was back in the day of Facebook, so I think it must have been, like, my freshman year, and that was when everybody. I feel like, did you ever have a Facebook I.

[B]

My freshman year, I started one.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That was the year.

[A]

So if people that Are watching. Don't know. Before Instagram stories, people used to write on your Facebook wall to wish you a happy birthday. And every. It was. Oh, my God. I honestly bring it fucking back. I miss it so much. It was the most. And I was just like, I would open my computer and I would click the little world symbol of all my notifications and see everybody that wrote on my wall. Also, my favorite thing to ever announce on Facebook was when I got into USC and I said, USC, class of 2022. And everybody commented, yeah, because I never got many likes on my profile Picture changed. Do you remember your first time ever having social media with your birthday?

[B]

No, that was it. It was my freshman year of college and it was like all of a sudden I got like 300 people. Maybe. I don't know, maybe that was that many. But, like, all my new college friends were like, happy birthday. I was just like, what is this? Like, how do they all know? And it's like, it was such a.

[A]

Well, Facebook tells you. And I miss it. And you know what else I miss about Facebook events? Partyful. God love ya. It doesn't hit the same. It really does not hit the same. Facebook events were such a thing for me. Like, when I got invited to an event on Facebook and I clicked going, maybe or no. Like, it really.

[B]

It's a dopamine rush.

[A]

Not only that, it was also just like, so much cleaner than a particle. Like, a particle is, like, a little confusing. It's on my phone. Whereas Facebook was like, this is the event. This is the photo for said event. This is who's hosting the event. This is who's going. Whether you like it or not, we're gonna tell you who's going. And these are the posts about the event.

[B]

Does part of full not show you who said yes? You can tell you. Can you?

[A]

Yeah, you can click it out. And yes, also yes.

[B]

Yeah, that's annoying. Like, it's annoying. Show me who's going.

[A]

I want to see. How am I supposed to know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

God, I really do miss that about Facebook. But everything else I don't really care for.

[B]

Facebook became like, Yeah, I honestly never used Facebook that much. I was.

[A]

So you had 300 people right on your wall.

[B]

I was MySpace. Like, whoa. Yeah, I was MySpace.

[A]

So what was that like about?

[B]

Oh, MySpace was awesome.

[A]

What was it like?

[B]

How would you.

[A]

How did you celebrate birthdays on MySpace?

[B]

I don't remember that, but we had. You had a top 10. So you had to rank your top 10 friends and, like, you would move them around it was. It was a lot. And then you always had a song, like, like, whatever song was you. You put that on your profile and like, sometimes people would find, like, this awesome hidden song and put it on and they were like, oh, that. That kid's cool.

[A]

Wait, so what was your song?

[B]

Gosh, which one? I think I always like, like, Afro beats, and I think I probably had, like, a Afrobeat one. Oh, one of them was. I'll have to double check. Oh, do you remember this song called, like, Waving, Waving Flags by.

[A]

By like, something with a K. Yeah.

[B]

He's like, yeah, I remember.

[A]

Waving flag. He was like, yes, of course.

[B]

That was one of mine, I think. But it. Maybe it wasn't even that song. It was like another song by him. And I thought it was so cool.

[A]

Did you ever play, like, we as a kid?

[B]

Yeah, I liked we, like the Guitar Hero.

[A]

What was your Guitar Hero song?

[B]

Oh, I honestly sucked at guitar here. Were you good? I was medium level.

[A]

Yeah, I was really bad, but I played maps a lot.

[B]

I don't even know what that is.

[A]

They don't love you like I love you way. Yes. Yes. That was.

[B]

I did. I've. The best one. The best one I was at was Beatles Rock Band.

[A]

I never had that. Rock band. Oh, my God.

[B]

And it was. I was the drummer like, that. I was like, damn. I'm actually good at something. I could do, like, expert level.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Drumming the Beatles.

[A]

Did you ever play any, like. Like, world games online? Like Pop Truck. Oh, my God. Okay, you're older than me, so no Moshi Monsters, no Webkins, no Pop Tropica. So what, like, Club Penguin ever?

[B]

Are these computer games? Like, whoa.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No.

[A]

What were your computers?

[B]

You would laugh at the ones we played.

[A]

Like, what, like Oregon Trail where they all, like, died?

[B]

Yeah, no, they were like. They were. I wish I could look this up because this is. It's a deep cut. But there was one that you had a little icon. It was called, like, who. Who Whovilles or something. Who Weevil. I don't. I gotta look it up. Well, I'll follow up with this. But it was literally, like, a shitty little icon. And then you could go, like, tap around the world. It was one of the worst games I've ever seen.

[A]

But it was fun for you at the time.

[B]

Yeah, because it was like, computers. It sounded like a mouse and was, like, using my mouse and clicking around.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You could do some, like, bad stuff in the game.

[A]

So question when. Okay, so what year were you a freshman in High School? 2007. 2008.

[B]

No. 2011 would have been my freshman year.

[A]

Okay, so when you were at a party and people were playing music, how did they play music? Like, was it through an ipod or a phone?

[B]

Yeah, probably. Probably the ipod. Yeah. Ipod or phone by then, I think. But, like, I didn't have an iPhone back then. It was like, yeah, at a random Samsung.

[A]

Oh, you did?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's come full circle.

[A]

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[B]

Oh, okay, wait, so should I answer? My high school freshman year.

[A]

What was your high school freshman year?

[B]

My high school freshman year would have been 2006.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah, because I graduated 2010.

[A]

Okay, so when you went to parties in high school, what did you listen to? Music on ipods.

[B]

God, I didn't get my first ipod. And it wasn't an ipod. It was a Rio. And it probably held, like, 300 songs. And that was probably my sophomore year of high school.

[A]

But is that what you used to play music at parties?

[B]

Was it just, like, the right ipods? Damn, you're aging me. It would have been. Yeah, it probably would have been kind of like a computer, I think it would have been like, a computer with a stereo setup.

[A]

So who. You can't even hear that.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, a long time ago, luckily. I. Yeah, I don't know. I.

[A]

What was your favorite year of high school and what was your favorite year of college?

[B]

Favorite year of. Of high school was definitely my senior year. I didn't want to end. Like, it was incredible.

[A]

You didn't want high school to end?

[B]

No, I loved it. I, like, I'm still friends with all those friends. I had, like, four periods of class, and I pretty much like. Like, I made the tennis team, and I was like, you know what? Like, I don't want to play tennis. I just want to, like, hang out with my friends. And it was like, the year that I finally, like, stopped playing and I was still playing soccer, but I was like, I want to take this time to just, like, hang with my friends as much as possible. So that year was special. Then we all went to college and stuff, so.

[A]

So, like, what would you do every day that was so special and fun?

[B]

Honestly, just hang it. Like, my friends are awesome. Like, my two closest friends are these crazy twins, and. And we would literally just, like, get into nature and do crazy things. And, like, they were always dragging me along. So we were always, like, road tripp a random river to cliff jump. Or, like, we'd go to Death Valley just because we heard it was hot and, like, want to go? Yeah. Like, so we were always either just at someone's house playing video games or, like, out on a road trip.

[A]

Let me ask you, you wanted to go to Death Valley because you heard it was hot?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You get to Death Valley, what do you do?

[B]

It was so hot. We went on such a hot day. So.

[A]

But what do you do? Like, you just, like, that's what I always ask about nature You. So you just look around. Okay, I'm here.

[B]

So the first thing we did was we went to the thermometer that they have, which is, like, shows you how hot it was. And it was like, the hottest day they've had in, like, three years. It was like 120 or something.

[A]

So you look at the thermometer.

[B]

Cool. Yeah. So then we ended up. We went to, like, the local place to, like, see what's around. They said there was a water hole that you could go and jump into, but you had to hike, like, two miles. So we were all super nervous because we're like, we don't know the trail. We need our water on us. And we ended up finding this water. Water hole, jumped in. Then we had to drive out, and there's a cool dune that we stopped by. We all ran down the dune, and.

[A]

Are you like, yay?

[B]

Yeah. I do remember, though, that the car was overheating because it was so hot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And this is, like, our first car.

[A]

So there's no ac?

[B]

No. I see. But I was. I was pissed that. No, we did have ac, but it was like, it wasn't working. A car was overheating. Like, some red light popped up. So I was pissed that I had to drive again. I was like, I don't want to drive. My friends are like, dude, it's your turn. Blah, blah, blah. So then.

[A]

But you said drive again.

[B]

Yeah, we, like, took turns. So now that people are sleeping in the back.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

I'm driving and the light turns on. So I was like, guys, we can't use the ac. So I put the child lock on the door. So we were just putting baking in the car. Like, no AC baking. And they're all yelling at me. But I was being a petty. Like, I was like, no, we can't use ac. I don't know. It was like. It was bad. But we're all sweating in a car, dying together. That's the kind of.

[A]

Wait, so what was the point of the child lock? Just to torture them?

[B]

Yeah, to torture them. But then making me drive.

[A]

Torturing yourself, too.

[B]

It was. My shirt was off. I'm sweating in the front seat. It was bad.

[A]

How does it feel to be able to take your shirt off and be like, I look good. Like, how does that feel for you? Because, like, when I take my shirt off, I'm like. Like, I'm fidgeting with my boobs. Like, I like feeling up on myself. I'm like, ugh. Like, I don't. Like, I went to a watering Hole. Speaking of the other day in Oregon, and I was like, see you.

[B]

You understand it.

[A]

No, I don't. I was sitting there like. But, like, I. I was, like, fidgeting with my breasts, and I was like. When I was with my friend who's, like, ripped, and I was like, what does that feel like?

[B]

Are you just like, Yeah, I. I think. I don't think about it that way. I don't think like, oh, I look good right now, but I think about how good it feels like. I love being shirtless. It's such a good feeling. Like, you feel the sun on you. I'm no longer constricted by my sleeves. It's such a good feeling. So I. I'm not really thinking about what I look like. I'm more like. As soon as I get the chance, I'm like, oh, freedom. And I just take it off.

[A]

I gotta get back to the chin. Like, wow. Can you imagine, right? Like, can you imagine just being like, shirt off my life. Yay. Sun on my body. And I look good. And I know you're thinking about that. You look good. Don't play with me.

[B]

I'm not. Most of the times I'm like, disheveled, walking booey. But I'm still shirtless. Like, join. Enjoying life.

[A]

Okay. One day that will be me.

[B]

It will.

[A]

Maybe without a dog, but one.

[B]

Because we can hold ourselves accountable. Just like the journal. Like, did you work out today? And we'll do that.

[A]

Obsessed. I love that energy from you.

[B]

All right, let's do it.

[A]

How much water do you drink a day?

[B]

So much. I love these things. I drink them all day.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. It's like a little. Like.

[A]

You don't get bored of the water?

[B]

Oh, I know. I put. I put stuff in it. Like, I do. Like, BCAAs or ECAs.

[A]

Oh, that sounds like cancerous.

[B]

No, it's good. It's like. Like, it's like building blocks of protein, so. But it. But it makes it taste good, and then I can drink it all day.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

If it was water, I'd get so sick of it.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you ever have, like, an ultima?

[B]

Yeah, those are good. The. The hydration packs?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, those are good.

[A]

And you put that in the whole thing?

[B]

Yeah, I'll put it in the whole thing.

[A]

Just one packet for that whole thing.

[B]

I'd probably mix it with some BCAs and then. Okay, I'll send you the link.

[A]

Okay. Do you want to get into the. Tell me what's wrongs oh, wait, you.

[B]

Didn'T say favorite year. So going back. Oh, favorite year of high school.

[A]

Are you holding me accountable?

[B]

And favorite year of college, what was your peak of both of those?

[A]

Okay, well, did you tell. Well, you didn't tell me your favorite year of college.

[B]

No, I haven't. My favorite year was. Again, the last one.

[A]

Okay, so my favorite year of high school was either when it ended or probably my sophomore year. I had a lot of fun my sophomore year. That's when I started drinking for the. The first time. When I started weed. Like, I was like, I am that girl. I got my braces off. Like, I was like, you smoked weed.

[B]

Your sophomore year of high school?

[A]

Yes, I got my first fake id. Like, whoa.

[B]

In high school? You got a few Ideas?

[A]

I was 15.

[B]

Did it work?

[A]

Yeah, it worked at this one place around this. I don't want to, like, dox the place if other people are still going there, but it was a Japanese restaurant, and one time that summer, going into. I want to say it was my junior year, so I just started drinking that year. My parents were like, okay, like, we're kind of chill with it. I went to this place and I got three Long island iced teas, and I got super drunk and broke my wrist.

[B]

What? You started early, right? I was doing all that stuff in college.

[A]

I started late.

[B]

No, I was doing that stuff in college.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Like, I was still afraid my fake ID didn't. Wouldn't work in college.

[A]

Well, you got to make sure it scans. Scans.

[B]

It did scan, of course, but I never tried it like a bar. So, like, I was like, I had, like, a CVS that I went to to get all the alcohol for the dorm and stuff like that. But I. I wouldn't.

[A]

You used your ID at cvs?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so, no, that's bold. CVS is, like, strict about IDs. We would have certain places we would go and pick up our stuff, and they would know, but it, like, was ever that serious. And, like, I used my fake id and mostly to, like, because restaurants in New York, okay, so the nicer you go, the less they care about how old you are because they want to make you feel comfortable is what I was always told. So if I ever saved up enough money, we went out to a nice restaurant, they would be super chill about it. But then, like, I don't know. I've only got my ID taken, like, twice.

[B]

Only twice. So you had three of them?

[A]

I had one, two, four. I had four. Well, I had two sets of them, but four. Yes. And I. I remember when did. I. I would use it mostly to buy, like, in high school. I eventually just started using it to buy, like, Jewel pods. Because that was, like, back in the day when, like, jewels were really, like, new and awesome.

[B]

Did you have to be 18?

[A]

Yes. But that's when they had mint and mango. And, like, I know because you're, like, super in shape and healthy that you never got down like that with them. But, like, they were really important to the culture and to me personally. And, like, they looked like a hard drive. And, like, back in the day, like, teachers didn't used to catch on. They had no idea. So, like, you could run to the bathroom at school and just.

[B]

Jewel.

[A]

And, like, literally there was nothing to tell anybody that you were doing it. It. Honestly, maybe senior year was my favorite year of high school, because that was so fun. I'd be like, I want to Jewel. And I would go to the bathroom and Jewel. And I'd be like, but I'm also in high school. Like, you know what I mean?

[B]

Like, how after you run into the.

[A]

Bathroom all the time, I. I have. I would practice, like, okay, I'm, like, not judging myself because I was 17, 18 at the time, but I would practice, like, my. My Vape Ghost hits.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so, like, you don't.

[B]

You have to hold it. Hold it.

[A]

You breathe it out a little, and then you breathe it in. And so I would go to the bathroom and, like, practice it. And I have so many videos on my phone of me doing it. And there was the bathroom downstairs in the basement of my high school had, like, the best air circulation. So, like, that's where we get the best hits. And, like, one time I dropped my Jewel on the ground and a teacher picked it up for me and was like, here you go. Because they had no idea.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And I was like, see, you know.

[B]

When I was in high school, jewels weren't a thing yet.

[A]

Like, cigarettes.

[B]

Yeah. No weed. But people would try to get away with smoking weed indoors, and they would always get caught.

[A]

Well, that feels.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just unlikely to work.

[B]

Yeah, it was.

[A]

Okay, so. And my favorite year of college, freshman year, really, it was. The first half was miserable, and the second half was just.

[B]

I could. I could.

[A]

I went out. I used to go out. I feel like I've said this a million times. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, sometimes Sunday. And it was just the most fun I've ever had in my life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then, honestly, senior year was really fun, too, but I think I maybe had an alcohol problem then because I was Blacking out all the time.

[B]

So I didn't have a senior year. I graduated college in three, but my third year was my senior year. And that, that was awesome because it was again, I had like, no classes. I was like, to like, I needed to go to school. So I had like maybe two real classes a quarter. And then I would did bull riding, welding, bowling.

[A]

Hold on.

[B]

I did like, fun stuff.

[A]

Bull riding?

[B]

Yeah, I was in the rodeo. It was so, like, yeah, it was so fun.

[A]

Do you have videos?

[B]

I have one shot on like a potato phone, but it's sick. It's like someone from the audience got it. I had like a, a five second ride on like a steer.

[A]

And you fall?

[B]

Yeah, I fall and I, I won the first day, so I thought I got the belt buckle, but then someone beat me the second day. But like, cool riding.

[A]

Where'd you go to college again?

[B]

Cal Poly. Slow.

[A]

Okay. I did not know that was an elective offered.

[B]

It's probably only at my college. A few others, I think maybe I.

[A]

Enjoyed actually my senior year the most because I was working at the time, so I had money to spend. And like, I never had money like that to spend before. So, like, I could go out to dinners I could like, treat myself to. Like, I could buy drinks that I wouldn't like. I used to like, bamboozle my friends to buy me drinks at a bar because I wouldn't have enough money to do so. And I could finally like, buy my own drinks at the bar. Like, I could like, pay for like, stuff, like, it was nice, like my own money.

[B]

Here's a question, because I, I've noticed some of the younger generation doesn't, like, it wasn't a big deal for them to get their license. Is, was that you? Like, did, did you get your license earlier? Were you just like, I don't need it. Did you not get your license? Oh, my God, I do not understand you. Like, literally, like, you're talking about best moments. The day I got my license was like, freedom.

[A]

I don't know how to drive.

[B]

Do you not have a license? Now get out of here. You Uber everywhere. Yeah, out of here.

[A]

Three to four times a day.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Yes. And I know the drivers by name. They always come. Hey, hey.

[B]

I do not understand you.

[A]

Like, I, I can't, I'm gonna. Are you, can you teach me how to drive?

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. I, I, we'll get a stick shift for you. No, you can text and drive.

[A]

So what car do you have now?

[B]

I have a Toyota, a Forerunner.

[A]

Okay. Is that Stick shift.

[B]

It's not.

[A]

So can I learn how to drive in your Toyota?

[B]

Yeah. It would actually be pretty easy. It's got, like, auto.

[A]

Okay, so where do we start driving?

[B]

We could do it right now.

[A]

Don't play with me.

[B]

I also have my speaks. I have my big sprinter van with me right now.

[A]

Wait, where would. But where would you take. Like, where would we. Like, would we have to go to a parking lot or what would we do?

[B]

Is this really, truly, like, your first time driving?

[A]

I drove around a parking lot once.

[B]

Oh, my God. We got it. Let's. Let's, like, make a day of this. Like, should we actually. And what. We can, like, train you up, like, two sessions and then take you to the DMV and see what happens.

[A]

Okay, I'm. I'm game.

[B]

I'm so down for this.

[A]

Are you really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you around 12 of August?

[B]

Yeah. Okay, well, I'm Dancing with the Stars. We'll do it during that.

[A]

We didn't even talk about dwts.

[B]

So.

[A]

Sometimes. And I want to kill myself.

[B]

We've had too much to catch up.

[A]

We have. This is so lovely. And by the way, it's ending anytime soon, so don't get. Don't get too comfortable, even. So tell me about Dancing with the Stars. How excited are you? Are you a dancer by nature? What's the vibe?

[B]

I am so not a dancer by nature. I've. I've never performed and I've never danced in public. Like, maybe dance in public at, like, a bar being goofy.

[A]

I've never, like, danced at a bar being.

[B]

Yeah, like, I love dancing, but it takes a lot for me to do it. Like, I've. I.

[A]

To be honest, I can't imagine you dancing.

[B]

Yeah, it's true. It's true. Like, I. I can do it at a wedding and when I'm, like, lit or something and, like, I stop caring what people think about me. Like, that's. I love that feeling. I wish I could do it more. So, like, when this opportunity came, I'm like, maybe. Like, maybe this will make me dance more, which would make me happier. Like, I. That's what I'm excited to take out of this is like, I love learning new things. I'm gonna love learning dancing, but I've never, never learned.

[A]

I'm so excited for you. I can't wait to see it.

[B]

I think. I think we'll. We'll see. I'm excited. I have no idea how my rhythm is. I have no idea anything.

[A]

When do you start practicing?

[B]

Like, soon. Like, I think it's getting announced on.

[A]

Well, today.

[B]

Yeah, today. And. Yeah. So soon? Like, two weeks.

[A]

Two weeks?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. And so did it take convincing for you to do this, or were you just like, yeah, let's do it?

[B]

Yes, I did have to get convinced. I was. I had a dinner with the casting department and they told me about it. And it was. The way they spoke about this show was really. It was like. It's like their baby. And they, like, really love this show. They say that it's like, I don't know, you could sell it. When you see someone that's passionate about something, it makes you want to be involved. And, like, everyone that's been on the show says it's one of those memories they'll cherish their whole life. So it's like, they did a really damn good job of selling it to me.

[A]

Wasn't Gabby on it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And did you talk to her about it?

[B]

I. I want to talk to her more, but I. When we're in Traders, I was talking to her about it because all, like. Like, three of the girls on the cast all were dancing with stars. Like, Chris Shell did it. Yeah. Nikki did it.

[A]

Okay. So. But you were saying, like, you. You don't, like. It takes you a while to dance because you don't like what people. Like, you are conscious of what people think of you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And do you have anxiety?

[B]

No, I just. I think it's because my whole life, like, Zach's been famous and I never wanted to, like, mess up his career and stuff like that. So I think that's something that, like, I've been hyper aware of how I present myself and stuff like that from a young age. So then.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

I think maybe that's part of it. And then also it's like, I love learning sports, but I've never learned dance. So, like, if you've never learned tennis, you're not going to go play tennis with a bunch of people. So that's kind of how I've always thought about dance. It's like, I don't. I don't know how to dance. I don't want to jump into something I don't know how to do. Really? Does that make sense?

[A]

But you are.

[B]

I am, but hopefully I'll learn, so.

[A]

I'm so excited for you.

[B]

I. I am, too.

[A]

I feel like you'll make it far.

[B]

I. We can hope so.

[A]

You ready again to the tell me what's wrongs.

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

You guys submitted these tell me what's wrongs and they are Bumble themed and sponsored by Bumble. They are all about dating life. So thank you, Bumble, for sponsoring these. Tell me what's wrong. My long distance boyfriend, who I low key, didn't like, dumped me two weeks ago and I haven't cried at all. Good for you. I downloaded Mumble the next day. Went on a date last night, and it was the best date I've ever been on in my life. Am I the worst person ever for not feeling sad about the breakup at all and feeling totally fine with moving on asap?

[B]

Not at all. Good for her, right? She was in a relationship.

[A]

I feel like it's fine.

[B]

Yeah, she broke up. Didn't feel. Didn't feel anything when she broke up. That's a good sign. You didn't really like the relationship.

[A]

When's the last time you cried?

[B]

Oh, I've been on a little good stretch. Probably a month or so.

[A]

Okay. So I, like, cried for the first time recently. Like, real. Like. Well, I wasn't like, stopping, but I was like, like crying like when my friends left. But the last time I like, sobbed. Cried uncontrollable. Guess how long.

[B]

A year.

[A]

2019.

[B]

Yeah. Wow. You, like, saved the date.

[A]

Yeah. Because I remember. Oh, it's outside. Outside of Macaroni Republic.

[B]

What happened?

[A]

I have a bunch of different macaronis. Basically, this guy I had a crush on was. He was with someone else. And I was really, really up, like beyond words up. And I was just like, sobbing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I was like, oh, that felt good. And I haven't done it since.

[B]

It does feel incredible.

[A]

Right? You cried a month ago.

[B]

I don't know. Now I think about it, I, I.

[A]

Yes. You know, I.

[B]

No, I, I've been pretty happy this year. It's been a good year.

[A]

What's your star sign?

[B]

I'm a February of Aquarius.

[A]

Okay, so you're partier.

[B]

Yeah. Aquari Aquarius is like the best sign by far. I love it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It is.

[A]

Why do you say that? Because you're one.

[B]

Yeah, well, they don't. Like, I swear, like, everyone's like, oh, you're a Sagittarius or a Pisces. You gotta be careful.

[A]

It's like, oh, I get Pisces energy from you.

[B]

Really? Well, I'm a Pisces moon and I.

[A]

Literally feel so vindicated right now. But continue.

[B]

Yeah, I'm a query. But like, every time you're in Aquarius, it's like, oh, you're like, super independent. You're. You're very intellectual. It's like all these, like, good things. It's like, oh, you're loyal. It's like, I swear all Aquarius stuff is positive.

[A]

Yeah, I've never really met in Aquarius. I didn't like. Have you ever been in a long distance relationship? Speaking back to this girl's question.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have?

[B]

Yeah. Oh, was she. So she was in a long distance.

[A]

She hated it. She hated him.

[B]

Yeah, she did. Long distance is very tough. I was.

[A]

So how do you make long distance work when you were. Because you're still with the person that you were in long distance.

[B]

Yeah. So the, the best part of a long distance relationship is when you do see each other. It's like you can like, it's like a date night. Like, if you, let's say you're living with someone, you might not have a date night for months. Because it's like you, you're living with them and it's like so casual and normal. You see them every day. When you're in a long term relationship or long distance, you see them once a month. So it's like that month, you're like, all right, we're going to the farmer's market, we're gonna go hike. We're gonna go out to dinner and you.

[A]

And the outdoors. Like, I can't. What about. Yeah, we'll watch tv. Well, lay in bed and scroll.

[B]

You got, you got two nights. You gotta make it up. Like, you gotta make the most of it and. But I, I like for how hard a long distance relationship is. It's like, there's some awesome parts of it.

[A]

Okay, let me ask you something. If you couldn't do these outdoors activity. Whoa. If you couldn't do these outdoor activities with like, not shirtless, like you had to wear a shirt, would you enjoy them as much?

[B]

No. Absolutely not.

[A]

Exactly. Exactly.

[B]

That's the best part of being outdoors, though, is if you're in a remote hike, no one's going to be judging you. Like, you have your shirt off. No one will think twice about it. You're gonna see six people.

[A]

I love how you think about that. I judge me. So this guy and I had a four month long situationship. We just ended things. And this is the most a breakup has ever hurt me. Even though we never dated. How do I get over. Over him? Have you ever had a situationship?

[B]

Is that a situationship or a, or a break? They were in a relationship and they broke.

[A]

They were in a situationship for four months.

[B]

Okay. They were in a situationship.

[A]

Like, they were never like, we're dating.

[B]

Yeah. So it's not even if it's a situationship. It sounds like they were emotionally involved. So then yeah, it's totally normal to feel like after a four month situationship.

[A]

Okay. Have you ever broken up with someone before?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Have you ever been broken up with like, like situationship or whatever?

[B]

No, I think I. It was probably mutual or it was me, but yeah, like it sucks. That's a low point when you're, when you're newly single. Like, I feel for that person.

[A]

Have you ever ghosted someone?

[B]

No, I don't think I would do that.

[A]

Okay. I'm 23 and I've never had a boyfriend. I feel like that's a red flag and I'm not sure what to do. I'm talking to this guy and it's getting a little serious and I'm scared. I'm just a walking red flag if I don't have as much experience as him.

[B]

Him. Oh, that's cute.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I don't think that's not a red flag at all. It's a green flag.

[A]

I've never had a boyfriend and everybody who watches this knows that because I talk about it every episode. But you're not alone. Okay.

[B]

You've just been in like a year long situationship.

[A]

Not even that. I think I have attachment problems.

[B]

Yeah. I was talking to this with my agent the other day. I think, I think like some people have issues like being vulnerable with, with new people.

[A]

I, I can't be vulnerable at all with anyone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can be vulnerable online because it's like I can like post it and put my phone down.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's. It's very tough. I think that's when you really get to know someone. That's like the best part of relationship is they understand you. You're like, can be full of yourself, but that's so hard to find in your middle year or middle age.

[A]

The most vulnerable I can be is like when I'm speaking about how anxious I am.

[B]

What's your sign?

[A]

One guess.

[B]

Leo.

[A]

No. Why you guess Leo?

[B]

I don't know. It's a 1 in 12 chance. Pisces.

[A]

No.

[B]

No. Okay, let me, let me actually try to guess.

[A]

So you have one more guess.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You don't get more than three.

[B]

Okay. Let's go with Aries.

[A]

Scorpio.

[B]

Scorpio.

[A]

I got the Gemini rising. Gemini moon.

[B]

I. I wish I knew what all your rising.

[A]

But you know, you're a Pisces moon. What's your rising?

[B]

How do you know The. The rising time.

[A]

Same as moon.

[B]

I thought that had to do with the moon, so I'm.

[A]

What?

[B]

All I know is. All I know is Aquarius and Pisces.

[A]

You got to figure out what your rising is. I would guess that you're like a Pisces rising, too.

[B]

It could be.

[A]

Or like a Libra rising. Don't you get so Libra.

[B]

I was a C section baby, though. Does that matter?

[A]

No.

[B]

No.

[A]

Why would that matter with your.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I'm so sorry.

[B]

Because. Because it is like. It. It's so. Yeah. It's like I gotta choose my time, like my riser. Oh, right. So does that even.

[A]

I'm so sorry for my initial dismay. I was really. I was really just confused as to how it would.

[B]

You know what a C section is, right?

[A]

No, I know what a C section is. You were a C section, baby.

[B]

I was.

[A]

Do you know, like, what. Like, what's the vibe of that?

[B]

My mom has a scar from me.

[A]

Did she ever, like, talk about it?

[B]

No, I think it was pretty chill.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. But, yeah, I don't have any of the stories. I got stuck halfway out or anything.

[A]

I went down the birth canal and then I swam back up. So my mom was in labor with me for 48 hours?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I mean, like, is that just not so telling?

[B]

That's like.

[A]

I'm like, I don't want to do it. I've been single for so long that heartbreak songs literally leave my mind blank. Like, my lore has expired. I'm sick. Hell. Help. I mean, I've also been single forever, and the only thing that I find to be helpful is getting on a dating app like Bumble.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's great.

[A]

What music are you listening to right now, still?

[B]

I still do. Like, Burna Boy is probably my favorite. I'm all over the place like. Like, I like Harry Styles and. And that style. A lot of rap and, like, UK rap. Then I also just love, like, guitar and country. Like, acoustic, good vocals. Like, I love all that stuff.

[A]

I like country, but only when a girl sings.

[B]

Depends on the girl.

[A]

You listen to Megan Moroney? No, Gotta get into Megan.

[B]

It's one of those ones where I know her songs, but I don't listen.

[A]

Like Tennessee or Tennessee Orange.

[B]

I know Tennessee Whiskey. That's Chris Stapleton.

[A]

Well, yeah, actually, I don't know why I said well. Yes. Well, Dylan, what did we learn today?

[B]

We learned that you don't have a license, which is probably.

[A]

You were gonna say that, by the way. And by the way, I knew you.

[B]

Were gonna say that, but that's. It's great because now we have something to do, like we're gonna.

[A]

Do you actually want to teach me how to do it?

[B]

I actually do.

[A]

Don't.

[B]

And we'll record it so people can see this, because it's going to be ridiculous.

[A]

Wait, I'm actually down. I'm here all of August, just like you were. Because I remember you said that you were.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Well, I learned that. What did I learn? You love nature.

[B]

I do.

[A]

A lot. But I guess I already knew that. Well, Dylan, thanks for coming on.

[B]

Thank you so much for having me.

[A]

Love you.

[B]

Love you.

[A]

Okay, wait, wait, wait. Do you want to give a little bye?

[B]

Yeah. Which camera? All right, tell me when.

[A]

Go.

[B]

Bye.