“GET A REAL JOB”

Summary

Therapy Gecko – “GET A REAL JOB” (Jan 25, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this episode of Therapy Gecko, host Lyle (the Therapy Gecko) takes calls from listeners seeking advice, catharsis, or simply a friendly stranger to talk to. This session explores themes of responsibility, relationships, communication, self-care, and… the merits of semen retention. With a signature blend of irreverence and empathy, Lyle helps his callers untangle confusion, voice their frustrations, and find a little more clarity—or at least camaraderie—in the everyday mess of being human.

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Key Segments & Themes

1. Caller 1: Saint — Responsibility, Relationships, and Being Seen

Segment Start: [01:45]
Key Participants: Saint (Caller), Lyle (Host)

Background & Main Issues ([01:45]–[19:56])

• Saint reaches out to Lyle after sending a taunting “get a real job” text—mostly to get attention. He reveals he’s been following the show for some time.
• Lives in Las Vegas and works in social media marketing, owning a photo studio and working on a ranch with his girlfriend.
• The main issues revolve around:
  • Feeling underappreciated by his girlfriend, despite being the primary provider.
  • Struggle with accusations of irresponsibility due to his spending habits.
  • Desire for more emotional support and respect in the relationship.
  • Experiences with trauma (PTSD from an elevator accident) impacting communication.

Notable Quotes:

• Lyle: “Did you really think I was a real therapist?” ([06:09])
• Saint: “If I’m making sure all the bills are getting taken care of... how could I be irresponsible?” ([09:03])
• Lyle: “If you’re gonna be this provider… do it without expectations, you know what I’m saying?” ([16:14])

Relationship Analysis & Dynamics ([19:56]–[29:14])

• In-depth examination of Saint’s dynamic with his girlfriend:
  • Long-term but sometimes on-and-off relationship.
  • He supports her and her family financially (rent, car notes, warehouse).
  • Expresses frustration about communication breakdown—when he tries speaking softly, he gets ignored, but when he yells, she pays attention. He acknowledges this is a bad cycle.
  • Reflects on traditional relationship roles and his cultural background.
  • Expresses wanting to grow and avoid trauma-bonding, especially before considering marriage and children.

Notable Quotes:

• Saint: “I want to bring… fully functional kids with loving parents into this world.” ([19:14])
• Lyle: “If you try really hard… and she doesn’t respond… you may have to accept she may never, ever, ever… [understand you].” ([24:42])
• Lyle: “You can live a happy life [in this dynamic]… but before you decide, know you may never be seen in the way you want.” ([30:08])

Final Thoughts & Departure ([29:11]–[35:15])

• Saint discusses positive qualities in his girlfriend (routines, caretaking), acknowledges the value in traditional roles.
• Lyle suggests Saint approach conflict with openness and honesty, and not rely on anger or confrontation.
• The segment ends warmly, with Saint inviting Lyle to visit his studio and offering support for Lyle’s Vegas tour stop.

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2. Caller 2: Rio — Finding Clarity Through Simplicity & Community

Segment Start: [39:06]
Key Participants: Rio (Caller), Lyle (Host)

Background & Intent ([39:06]–[46:10])

• Rio calls from Phoenix, referencing his appreciation for Lyle’s content, especially the “walking across Japan” video about depression and existential crisis.
• Rio dropped out of college, feeling liberated; now works at Sprouts Market, spends time at the park, and plays basketball.
• Expresses a conscious effort to minimize technology and social media use.

Notable Quotes:

• Rio: “Sometimes you just gotta do stuff… Just get up and do stuff to get yourself out of that funk.” ([41:10])
• Lyle: “The depression was really real… the main reason I feel so much better now is because I’ve been busier… been a part of a community.” ([42:42])

Life Without Tech & Seeking Community ([46:10]–[57:25])

• Rio explains that stepping away from constant phone use feels like waking up from endless “doomscrolling.” He’s turned to reading, walking, and being in the real world.
• Discusses the book “I Dare You” by William H. Danforth, which encourages action and living fully.
• Admits he’s been putting off forming real-life connections and building a social community—prefers solitude but recognizes the need to connect.
• Touches on his experiences with conditional friendships, especially in childhood and the influence of technology/social media on authenticity in relationships.

Notable Quotes:

• Lyle: “Try not to hold on to that idea too tightly [that relationships are conditional]… you kind of find whatever you’re looking for.” ([56:21])
• Lyle: “Ideally, you want to be jerking off and playing video games because you’re tired from being connected with other people… not the reverse.” ([57:25])
• Rio: “I do want to say—men, avoid pornography. Practice semen retention. That is literal drive.” ([58:53])

On Porn, Semen Retention, and Consciousness ([58:55]–[70:24])

• Rio passionately advocates against pornography and for semen retention, referencing its supposed mystical and energetic benefits.
• Lyle humorously compares porn to donuts: “I don’t think donuts are evil… but if you eat donuts every day… that’s probably unhealthy. The same with porn.” ([60:31])
• Rio expands, referencing ancient mystics, alchemy, and the idea that semen retention gives superpowers.
• Exchanges get increasingly philosophical and humorous:
  • Lyle: “If I had to trade my ability to come for heat vision, I’d keep coming.” ([65:15])
• Rio ends with a monologue about universal consciousness, connection, love, and the idea that “we’re all one,” channeling spiritual and psychedelic themes.

Notable Quotes:

• Rio: “There is only one eternal shared consciousness that is taking the form of absolute trillions and that is us.” ([68:43])
• Lyle: “Sometimes I’m on that shit… thinking about the divinity of the universe… then someone’s baking cookies… they’re at a higher level of consciousness than you are because they’re not thinking about this shit. They’re living it.” ([70:27])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Saint, on getting Lyle’s attention: “I knew that would make you respond… you insult anybody… they have to say something back to you.” ([06:57])
• Lyle, on boundaries in relationships: “You have to do it without expectations, you know what I’m saying?” ([16:19])
• Rio, advice to listeners: “Semen retention is simple power. If we release constantly, we will not have power. That is literal drive.” ([58:53])
• Lyle, with signature humor: “If I had the choice between being able to levitate and being able to masturbate, I would choose masturbating easily.” ([65:15])
• Rio, spiritual send-off: “There is only one eternal shared consciousness… we’re all one, we’re just supposed to love each other. Love will transcend us from this third dimension.” ([68:43])
• Lyle, on living vs. thinking: “They’re not thinking about this shit, they’re living it. Making cookies. Painting… You want the majority to be living, baking your metaphorical cookies, whatever they may be.” ([73:28])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:45] – Caller Saint connects, discusses initial skepticism and message.
• [06:09] – Discovering Lyle is not a therapist; role of insults in getting attention.
• [09:03] – Saint explains relationship friction and feelings of being undervalued.
• [16:19] – Lyle on giving without expectations in love and relationships.
• [24:42] – Guidance for handling chronic relational disconnect (“she may never, ever, ever…”).
• [39:06] – Caller Rio shares his backstory, love for the show, and “do stuff” mindset.
• [41:10] – Impact of Lyle’s Japan video and the power of action.
• [49:41] – Rio recommends the book “I Dare You.”
• [56:21] – Discussion of conditional relationships and childhood experiences.
• [58:53] – Rio’s take on pornography and semen retention.
• [65:15] – Levitation vs. masturbation: a debate for the ages.
• [68:43] – Rio’s cosmic consciousness monologue and send-off.
• [70:27] – Lyle on the “cookie metaphor” for living life.

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Tone & Style

Throughout the episode, the tone oscillates between playful, sarcastic, philosophical, and sincere. Lyle navigates callers’ vulnerability with warmth, humor, and an ever-present sense of curiosity. The show never provides formulaic answers but specializes in holding space for messy, authentic explorations. Every call feels like a small slice of a larger, universal conversation about what it means to try to show up for life, love, and each other.

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Summary Takeaways

Therapy Gecko’s “GET A REAL JOB” is an episode filled with confessions, hard questions, surprising wisdom, and laughter—all delivered in that uniquely gecko-ish style. Whether it’s Saint’s tussle with responsibility and love, or Rio’s quest for real-life meaning minus the distractions, the episode is a reminder that nothing about growing up (or loving, or living, or even masturbating/meditating) is straightforward. The secret, perhaps, is to keep talking, keep showing up, and—when in doubt—maybe just bake some cookies.

Transcript

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[D]

Oh, is this a therapy, guys?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

Oh, shit.

[D]

I didn't. My bad. I didn't think you would call back.

[B]

Yeah, well, you texted me and you. And you wrote, get a real job, buddy. I called you and you didn't pick up.

[D]

Yeah, I was just like. Kind of like I was mad because I was like, hey, man, I wanted to talk to this guy. You know, I'm gonna follow your page for a minute. I didn't think it was actual texting.

[B]

No, you. It's real. It's all real. These are real. Like, people are like, oh, you may. All the callers are AI. And it's like, no, you're a real person. And then they become one of them. And then they are like, no, I'm Real. Then the whole thing must be real.

[D]

I think you had like a. I know you're a real person because I think I saw you at Complex Town, like a few years ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And. Yeah, but like, I. I didn't think it would be like a real person. I thought it was one of those just like, you know, get you to call and you join the thing type of. You know. But I do apologize for that.

[B]

No, and you know what? And I, I. And I'm actually. I totally could. I do a lot of marketing and stuff and I'm going on tour and like, it'd be helpful, but I don't like it. I hate that shit. You know, Like, I hate, like, I hate, like, if you sign up for one thing, like, if people, like, there's a thing. You can go to therapy, Gecko. I'm just gonna. I'm gonna mark it right now. If you go to therapy, gecko.tour.com. and you put your phone number in, I can. I'll text. I can text you, like, those phone numbers I keep. But like, I. I've thought about it. People have told me, they're like, are you keeping the data of all the people that call you? And I'm like, no.

[D]

Why not? You know, you should. Because it's like, you know, like, I called because I got. It's crazy. I was like, actually in need of a therapist. And like, I have booked a session today. And like, I've been following you for a while. But like, that post, I mean, that your story, like, I had to happen to randomly see it like six minutes before you have posted it. I was like, oh, shit. Like, well, wait, give it a try.

[B]

Okay, real quick. Do you think it's. Don't. Do you think it would be fucked up though if by calling that phone number I just like opt you in to receiving texts from me.

[D]

Per se. I wouldn't care, but other people might, you know, so it's a different thing. Like, some people just like hate getting annoyed with those texts, you know, But I. I wouldn't mind. You know, I'm always on my phone. I do social media marketing myself. So it's like, you know, just important info. For sure, you know. All right, all right.

[B]

I'll put your phone number specifically into my list.

[D]

Hell yeah.

[B]

What city do you live in?

[D]

I'm in Las Vegas.

[B]

All right, I'm coming to Vegas. I'll put your phone number in my thing.

[D]

Oh, wait. Anyway, when are you coming out here?

[B]

I. Shit, I have no fucking idea. This. This year, sometime this year.

[D]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

I think the fucking September. Okay. I'll be there in September.

[D]

Almost the end of the year anyway.

[B]

Uh, okay. You. You successfully got a hold of me because you insulted me. And I want that to be a lesson to everyone as to how to get a hold of me because I like, I'm a. I'm a. I'm a masochist and I love being insulted. What is your name again? What's your name again?

[D]

My name is Ishan, but I go by Saint. Like Saint Louis, but like Saint for short.

[B]

Yeah, Saint. This phone call can be whatever you want it to be. I'll. I'll. But I'll ask you, is there. Was there a particular reason why you called today?

[D]

There was a few things, man, but, like, more so. Yeah, I mean, like. So how can I make this a long boy thing?

[B]

How can you make this.

[D]

You know, because it's like, like an ongoing thing. Like, I could call you or like, you pay, like our subscription type of thing. Because I want to get.

[B]

Can you say that word for me one more time? How can you make this a what thing?

[D]

Like, like an ongoing thing. Like a constant.

[B]

Oh, an ongoing. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I'm not a real. I'm not a real therapist, Saint. I'm just. This is just like a call in show. Did you really think I was a real therapist? Did you think I was a real therapist?

[D]

I mean, you said some real shit before that I like, was like, this guy knows what he's talking about.

[B]

Wait, Saint. Fuck you. You texted me saying, get a real job, but then you did. But then you. And you. But you sent the text while thinking that I was a real therapist. That just. That doesn't make any sense.

[D]

I mean, yeah, it was just like, like, like in the middle of the thing, like, you know, I was just like.

[E]

I mean, I knew that would get.

[D]

You to respond, though. Honestly. Like, you know, you insult anybody. Like, you know, like, it's like you call somebody a. A dumbass.

[E]

Like, you know, like, and then they.

[D]

Don'T have to say nothing back to you. Like, I knew that would make you respond. Like, you know, but it. But.

[B]

But that doesn't make sense. Because if you knew I wasn't a real therapist, I didn't know, you know, but if you were. But if you thought I was a real therapist, then why would you say get a real job?

[D]

Because, like, I don't really see that many therapists, like, doing the social media thing. I know it's like, sound like oxymoron. It sounds very. But I don't know, bro. But yeah.

[B]

Okay. All right, all right. I'm gonna disclaim for you that I am not a real therapist. There is no way to make this an ongoing thing. The only time with you that I can truly honest to God promise is the time that we are spending on the phone in this moment right now. Okay, but with all of that said, we're in this moment right now. Do you want to. Do you want to talk? What do you. What do you want to talk about?

[D]

Yeah. Hell, yeah, man. So, like, right now, like, I just got pulled over earlier. That's kind of got me, like, a little, you know, on edge because. But they let me go. You know, they had my girlfriend pull up, take the car because I had a suspended license, you know? But, yeah, so that was, like, the one thing that was bothering me. And it's just like, you know, the thing with my girlfriend, you know, she's just like. I don't know, just always making me out to be irresponsible person. But I'm the guy that pays all the bills. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, yeah, those are the things I want to talk about. That. Okay, so other.

[B]

So your girlfriend is making you out to be irresponsible, yet you're the one paying all the bills.

[D]

Yeah. So it's like, I don't see how I could be irresponsible person, you know, if I'm still making sure all the bills are getting taken care of and all the checklists are getting checked off, you know?

[B]

You know, that. That's. First of all, That's a classic. Second of all, I empathize with you because in my. I think I have. In my opinion, clearly, it's clearly the wrong approach to this, is to go, if all the bills are paid, that means that I am responsible. And also, it is a thing that I, in my life have felt not. Not necessarily in a relationship, but just, like, in my own life, I'm like, you know, as long as. Like, in my own life, I do have a thing of, like, well, if all my bills are paid and I'm, like, financially responsible and stuff, then that translates to me being just generally responsible. And I've had that same internal feeling. But that's. That's fucking. Obviously not. But you. But you. But we both know that's not like, you know that.

[D]

Yeah. The littlest mistakes, man. Everybody just want to start, you know, just talking. I want to say talking crazy, but just saying all these, like, that are not even true. You know, I. I think it's, like, a form of information.

[B]

It can be, but. Okay, you're. What is your girlfriend. Okay, when your girlfriend is upset at you because she says she's. You're not being responsible, what does she say? What does she specifically point to as being irresponsible?

[D]

Just, like. Like, my spending habits and all of that. But I just feel like, you know, like, if I have it and if I can, like, you know, like I said, go back to the thing of my bills and everything is taken care of. Why are you, like, you know, just, like, so adamant and anal about all those things? Like, you know, it don't make sense. You're, like, putting me down, you know, instead of just, you know, just uplifting your man, you know, you're saying all these things that's, you know, bringing me down. Ish.

[B]

Okay, you. So you've identified your spending habits as a thing that she says is irresponsible?

[D]

Yeah, but, like, you know, I'm the type of person. I buy and sell things. Like, you know, like, I buy. I can buy and sell anything. That's just, like, what I'm good at. Like, you know, so it's like, I'm on marketplace all the time looking at, like, used cars outfit, you know, used cars or shoes or anything, you know, so it's like she's always just like, you know, just. I don't get it. Like, you know, if it's working, I just need somebody to be more supportive versus, you know, just, like, nitpicking at the little things.

[B]

That's reason. That's a reasonable feeling. Now, you said it could be manipulative. What do you. In what way do you think she's trying to manipulate you?

[D]

Like, I think, like. Like, I think in a certain sense, like, just to just kind of get her way. Like, I mean, she always gets her way because, like, I mean, I'm buying here. Whatever she needs, you know, what is.

[B]

What's her. What's her way? What does that mean?

[D]

Like, her way meaning, like, she doesn't want me spending a lot of money. She wants me to stay home. She just wants me to not be the person I am, you know, in a certain sense.

[B]

Okay, so how long you. How long? I'm gonna. You know, I'm gonna try to. I'm gonna actually try to. I feel like I typically approach things diplomatically, and I'm gonna try to approach this with whatever's in my gut, but I still. I need more information. How long have you Been with her.

[D]

We've been together five years on and off. Going on six right now.

[B]

Okay, five years on and off. Go on. Said. Are you the one making all the. Like, are you like, are you guys living. Do you guys have a thing where you're living together and you're like financially supporting her?

[D]

Yeah, I mean, she can financially support herself too, but it's just like, it just doesn't compare to what I make, you know, so it's like I end up with all the responsibilities because, you.

[B]

Know, so like, you. So like, you pay the rent.

[D]

I pay the rent. I pay both the car notes. We have another. We have like a big warehouse. I pay for that. So it's like, like. Okay, I don't get it, you know, sometimes.

[B]

So you are in some sense like subsidizing her life financially?

[D]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, always, I guess, because it's like if I'm the main provider.

[B]

Okay, but like, do you. Here's. Do you, do you like doing that? Does that make you feel good? Do you feel. Feel good when you're being that kind of provider?

[D]

Yeah, because it's like I'm like, you know, I'm. I'm African, you know, so like, I come from a family where we all had to take care of each other, you know, so it's like me finally being, you know, the age that I am and responsible enough to do that, like, you know, it just gives me that satisfaction that like, I'm like, I'm there. Like, you know, I. I'm like, I stepped up to the plate.

[B]

So, so listen. So, so listen. And I think this situation is probably a lot more. This situation is probably a lot more complex than this. But like, my gut feeling with, my gut feeling with this thing is like, if you're okay, manipulation and the idea that somebody can walk all over you because you're giving them so much and that, the idea, this idea that somebody can manipulate you and take advantage of your financial resources or your kindness or, you know, any. Anything that you can give them. Right. This. That is that kind of a. Like, that idea that. Do you.

[E]

Okay, that I.

[B]

That idea is kind of predicated upon the idea that you are providing this financial subsidized subsidization and you're providing your kindness and you're providing these things with a particular expectation in return. And. Part of me kind of thinks a little bit, and I don't know what your guys relationship is like. I don't know what those expectations that you have are like, I love her, but I But I, But I, but I, but I. Part of me does feel like if you're gonna be this provider and you like providing and you like being the one in the relationship that's financially doing all this stuff and you're gonna give this out, Part of me believes to the extent that is realistic and barring extremes, you kind of have to. If you're gonna do that, do it without expectations, you know what I'm saying?

[D]

All right, I'm not ex. Yeah, I. I get that. I get that. And I'm, like, not expecting nothing back but, like, you know, respect and.

[B]

Sure, like, that's a fair. And those are fair. Those are fair expectations to have. I. I agree.

[D]

I don't know. I'm not saying she doesn't respect me, but I just feel like a lot of my boundaries definitely get crossed, you know, in the mix of somebody trying to prove a point, you know.

[B]

Somebody trying to. Trying to prove a point.

[D]

Yeah, and that's. That's what I mean by, like, she trying to get her way and do all of that is, you know, somebody trying to prove a point, they'll go to, like, the extremes, you know, or just say like, you know, some low ball to just like, trigger you, you know, so it's like, I mean, like, I deal with a lot of ptsd, like, you know, so I just got into, like an elevator accident not too long ago, you know, like in July. So I'm still like, dealing with a. Like a lot of that stuff. So it's like, you know, just like people yelling or loud noises could just like, you know, cause me to just like, you know, just go like, in a state of panic sometimes, you know, and she knows that. And I just feel like in those, like, you know, and I get like, that if you know a person, you should more so try to comfort them, you know, and you.

[B]

Do. You do tell. Do you say all of these things to her? Do you like everything you just said about, like. Like, do you. Do you mean those things to her?

[D]

It's easy to say like, you know, to another person, but, like, you know, when you're saying these things to your partner, it's never reciprocated the way you need it to because it's like always, I guess.

[B]

Like, did, like, forgetting about her, how she reciprocated it, like, did you. Did you say these things to her?

[D]

I haven't tried it because I, like, not those words in that form, but, like, I'm trying.

[B]

But have you. Have you. You. You have. You have feelings of resentment towards your partner. I have you, and I'm not talking. I'm not. And I'm not on the subject of whether or not your feelings are valid. I'm asking, like, if have you expressed them to her?

[D]

Like, I think I'm like, I've tried in. In different ways and other ways, and I just kind of got shut down because it's like I was saying earlier, it's more so a response versus a listening response. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah, sure. Yeah.

[D]

It's more so a defense right away when I get to say that type of stuff, you know? So I guess. I mean, I don't know, man. I think it's.

[B]

Dude, okay, I'm gonna.

[D]

But I think.

[B]

Go, you know, go ahead. I'll let you finish before I jump in with a bunch of.

[D]

I. I think we more so trauma bond, you know? Like, I hate that. Like, you know, this year I want to have a good relationship, and I want to pour into my girlfriend, who probably one day will eventually be my wife, you know, but before I get married without anybody, I just feel like I need to work on these things, you know, These are very important things for me because, you know, I want to bring, you know, fully functional kids with loving parents into this world. You know, if I. If we do do that. Because, I mean, we've been together, like five years, going on six. Like, you know, what more am I waiting on after this point, you know.

[B]

And she still hasn't. She's. And, And. And over those. Over those five years, you guys have had conflicts and problems and for sure. Does she. Does she always respond in these conflicts and problems in a way that makes you feel as you. As though you are. You are not being seen or heard or felt or understood?

[D]

Yeah, because it's like when I get to Savage think she has AirPods, you know, she always puts on it. He always puts in her AirPods. You know, there's been numerous occasions where she was just playing music when I'm doing that, you know, and it's just like, I just think you'll be.

[B]

You'll be expressing yourself and how you feel and. And she just puts in her airpods.

[D]

Like. Yeah, she always has one of her airpods in her ears at all times, you know, because she owns her own business, too, so it's like she. That's for, you know, work purposes. So she always has whatever AirPods in, you know, so she'd be trying to do this thing sometimes where she tried to tone me out. That just makes me even More mad, you know?

[B]

Do you. So, okay, I was. When you say I haven't expressed it in those words, what do you. What words have you expressed it in? Like, how do you typically. Like, do you get are you, Are you? And it's okay, you know, whatever the truth is, is fine. And by the way, can you hear me?

[D]

Yeah, I can hear you.

[B]

Okay. By the way, I'm not trying. This is not like a blame thing. I'm only just. I'm mainly focused on. I just, just, just so you know, I'm mainly focused on you because you're the, you're the one with the agency over, like, just working within the realm of. Because if I just said, your girlfriend's an asshole, that's the way. That's not helpful to anyone. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just trying to. Within the realm of what is. Of you.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Have you. Have you. Okay, with what words and with what tone and with what level of whatever have you expressed yourself to her?

[D]

So, like, with me, right, Like, I'm a pretty loud person, but, like, I don't.

[B]

Okay. All right. Okay.

[D]

You know, I mean, I'm like, if I'm gonna tell you things about her, I'd rather also say things about me too. You know, Just keep it a two way street.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So it's like, I'm a person. Like, I will talk to you. I'll say, like, I'll talk to you at a reasonable voice, like at least once or twice, even three times, you know, and then it's just like, if I'm constantly, like, not being heard or understood, when I'm talking at a lower tone, I' ma definitely raise my voice because it's like, then why am I, you know, constantly repeating myself? Why are you, you know, if you heard me, like, what is the point? You know, that's kind of how I feel about it. So I do tend to get loud after the third or the fourth time of me having to repeat what I'm saying over and over again, you know, if it's not being reciprocated. I do tend to. I don't get physical at all. Like, you know, I have sisters, so I can't, like, do that to a woman. But I definitely do get loud, you know, so it's like, I. I don't like that.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

And then, and I feel like that's the only time she actually does listen because, like, soon as I get loud, like, she focuses up and it's like, that's also like, building up things in my Head. Because it's like, well, I don't want to keep doing that. Like, why do I have to raise my tone at a certain octave?

[B]

Yeah, that's a bad. That's a. That's a bad habit for. That's a bad habit for that relationship.

[D]

To have, for sure.

[B]

So I, I mean, yeah, I have a few. I'm gonna try to speak just from my gut feelings. And I'm also, I don't know, I'm pretty agnostic. I'm trying to fucking navigate life and relationships just like everyone else. It's. It's. And there's no. And I just bend to the fact there's no objective reality anymore. That or right or wrong. I mean, only extremes. Of course there's right or wrong ways to do a relationship. But anyway. But anyway. But anyway. So two things is one, you're like, yeah, you've, like trained. You're like training this thing where if I get really loud, I start screaming. She. That's the only way to get her to respond. I don't have a. I'm not a rich. I'm not a trained peer mediator or anything, as you now know. But that, but. But that can't. But that can't be the right way to do shit. You know what I mean? I can't, you know, that can't be. There can't be the right way to do shit. So.

[D]

We both addressed that.

[B]

So, yeah. So, you know, so, you know, you know, it's got to be something else. And then here's the sad thing that my gut is telling me is if you try really fucking hard, and I mean it, like, you go into yourself and you try really fucking hard to present yourself in such a way where you're like, I don't want to be in conflict with you. I don't want to yell at you. I'm reaching my hand out to you in peace, trying to appeal to you, trying to. Willing. I'm willing to understand you, and I just want to be understood. Let's have a conversation about these things. Let's have an open, honest conversation. No yelling, no fighting. I just want you to listen to me and I want to listen to you and you. And you really just. You just really appeal to her like that in that kind of way, honestly. Okay, if you do that multiple times and she doesn't respond. In a way that makes you feel heard, you unfortunately have to accept that she may never, ever, ever will. And you can. It's perfectly legitimate for you.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

To decide in light of that. Knowledge that you still love her and you still want to be in a relationship with her and you still want to do this, and you still want to support her financially and you still want to have a kid with her, you still want to do it. You can decide that your love for her overpowers the knowledge that you have in your soul that she will never, ever, ever, potentially. Who knows? It's not a guarantee. But, but, but you have to accept your love over her, over the idea that she may never truly attempt to understand you. That's a legitimate thing for you to do. I don't, I don't know if it's the smart thing to my dad. I don't know if it's the smart thing to do. I don't know if it's the smart thing to do, but you can do it. You know, my. I, My dad, My dad was on this podcast like the couple episodes ago and he was like, yeah, going through this whole thing of like, what do you want to do and what's the smart thing to do in that situation where you have a deep love for her and, and you're taking a bet that she may one day understand that. Either you're taking a bet that she may one day understand you, or you're just accepting that she made it. You could let. I just think you could possibly live a happy life where you love her so much and you want to be with her and you just accept that she'll never see you. You could maybe live a happy life that way, but it's totally not, it's not the smart thing to do by.

[D]

Any, like a one sided. It's like a one sided relationship when it's like that. But no, it's just like, you know.

[B]

Yeah, you can decide that's what makes you happy. But I, I don't know if it's a smart thing to do.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, it's just like the definition of love is different for everybody, you know? And like, I don't know, like, it's just like. I don't know, man. You're right. I definitely got a lot of things to think about, man, because I don't want to carry on with this if it's like, you know, constant, like, headache, you know, I want to thrive, I want to build. I want to like, you know, expand with a partner or whatever, you know, or even by myself, you know, it could happen, but it's just like, you know, it's just certain things that I love about this person, you know, like that I've been with plenty of women. And it's just like, I see things differently that this person does that I haven't seen in other people. Like, you know, that I like that she has a routine. You know, it's just like the taking care of me aspect, you know, is there. Like, you know, she cooks me lunch, dinner, breakfast, Wakes up, she goes, beats our horses, she goes like, you know, she's like, taking care of all the duty.

[B]

I know what you mean. Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

[D]

So, I mean, it's like, I haven't been with plenty of girls that do that because a lot of them would just either be childish or just be like, why would I do this? You know, she comes from a different.

[B]

Background where you, it's, you both, you sound like. You sound like you both are into like the, the kind of traditional, masculine, feminine roles of a relationship. Yeah, yeah. And that's, and that's, That's a perfectly legitimate way to have a relationship if that's what two people want for the relationship. But you know, that it comes with, you know, I mean, every, every TV show that describes that traditional relationship is. Involves a main. Involves a guy who is upset that his wife won't stop nagging him, you know?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, that's just part of the, part of the fucking thing. And look, you can, you can live a happy life like that, but you can live a happy. You can live a happy life like that. But before you make that decision, just know, just, it's. Have the information that you may never be seen. You may be maybe, maybe, maybe this woman. I don't know, man. Maybe I'm truly, like, navigating my philosophy on relationships in real time as I'm talking to you and as I'm thinking about it, as I'm living my own life, maybe this woman, you know, whatever, cooking for you and doing these sort of traditional things and whatnot, maybe that's just. Maybe that's her version of seeing you, you know, that's her way of loving you. And loving someone can be seeing them in some way. And it's perfectly legitimate. If you decide that that's something, but this particular way that you're trying to be seen, you have to accept that it might, it might never happen, man. But before you do that, before you accept it for you, before you accept that, that, that, that you may never be seen in that way, just try appealing to her on a, On a, On a, On a different, on a different level than, you know, anger and aggression. I think that's where you start.

[D]

It hasn't been working, I can tell you.

[B]

Of course. Of course it hasn't been fucking working. It's. It's not a good thing to do.

[D]

But why do we always, as humans, always think, like, force, anger is like, the way we can get things done? Like, this has never been the case, like, you know, for anybody in this world, you know?

[B]

Did you. Did your father yell at you a lot? Sorry. I know it's a thing more so.

[D]

My mom, not my dad. Like, you know.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Different type of thing. I mean, I also think there might be like a mommy issue thing too going on there that. That's not fully addressed, you know, I mean, that's. You know, we all alive between the mom and the daddy issue, you know?

[E]

So.

[B]

What's your name again?

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Saint.

[B]

Saint. Sorry, I was about to end the call, but I want to. I'll let you finish.

[D]

Hell yeah. I mean, I'm cool with that because I just got to my ranch right now too. I gotta feed these sources real quick.

[B]

What, you're on a ranch?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you. Is that your. You own a ranch?

[D]

Me and my girl. Well, like, her and her family do, but, like, we have a whole bunch of horses here.

[B]

Oh, okay. All right. So you're literally. Yeah, no, you're living the, like. You're very like, traditional kind of thing. You're like a farmer and his wife vibe.

[D]

Yeah, we live in the.

[B]

Oh, your phone started sucking. Okay, I. I don't know what you just said, but I'm going to. I'm going to know how it. I. I could infer something what you said. Okay. Do you think would. Could I have fooled you that I was a real therapist for sure.

[D]

Because just, like, I mean, the advice and everything you gave was like, pretty head on, you know, I'm just.

[B]

I'm just. I don't know what I am. I'm high.

[D]

Just a great lizard or what?

[B]

I don't usually, I don't like to admit that I'm not high on every single episode, but I'm high on this one.

[D]

Yeah. As you shared, bro, I. Lowkey, quit smoking weed, man, this year. I just kind of been smoking, like, you know, here and there, but. Got to, though, bruh, to make it through life.

[B]

No, I don't think that's. What you just said is not a good thing. I don't. I think. I don't. I mean, I. I currently smoke weed to make it through life, but I. I don't think that's healthy. I don't know. I don't know anything about our stupid world anymore. Can you say your name one more time, man? I'm sorry. I know. Oh, Saint. Saint. Saint. Saint. Saint. Saint. Saint.

[D]

That was out of lockdown here in Vegas, bro.

[B]

Yeah, I'll be there. September 21, Wise Guys Comedy Club.

[E]

Oh, that's like up the street from.

[D]

I got a photo studio right up the street from there. So, yeah, we'll definitely pull up. I'm bringing over a lot of the guys.

[B]

You have a photo studio?

[D]

Yeah, we do photo videography. We actually are, like, work with like a lot of hired artists and like that.

[B]

And you own a photo studio in a ranch?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Who are you, man? You're really. And you buy and sell shit. You're doing. You're doing good, man. You're doing. And your wife owns a business. That's awesome.

[D]

Yeah, well, you. Hey, we're gonna smoke a blend when you get here. I'm gonna show you around the city. You know, you can pull up to the shop too. You know, we can get some stuff going too. We got a screen printing shot too. So if you need a lot of merch done or whatever, you're out here, you can get that done for you.

[B]

Okay, man, I appreciate you. I appreciate you.

[D]

Hell yeah. You gotta friended me now because you definitely turn my name.

[B]

Good man. I appreciate that saying. I'll. All right, I'll try to. I'll try to hook up with you in lawsuit. You know what? Send me a cs. Send me a dm. If you see. If you see, after I announce my tour dates on Vegas, if I. I might. You might DM me and I might never look at it or respond to it, but you also might. Yeah, there's a chance this. There's a chance it could happen, but.

[D]

Be like, check your DMs or something.

[B]

That would get me. All right.

[D]

All right, Bet. I got you, brother. Thank you, man. You have a blessed night.

[B]

Yeah, you too, man. Take care.

[D]

All right. Bet.

[B]

That was Saint. I liked Saint. I. That's still so fun. Why would he say, get a real job if he thinks I have a real job? He just knows how to. He knows how to push my buttons. Saint. That'd be cool. I'll go down there and hang out with him in his ranch. Slash. His. His ranch slash screen printing shop, slash whatever the fuck thing that was. That was nice.

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[B]

Hello?

[E]

No way man. No way. Wait. Lyle is this you dude?

[B]

Yeah. What's up brother? What's your Name?

[E]

Oh, man. Brother. Yo, I'm Rio. My name is Rio. Rio Leo. Oh, dude.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah, dude. How are you.

[B]

Man? I'm doing pretty all right. I. I feel good today. I feel good about life. I feel good about doing this. I know we've been on the phone for like, 40 seconds, but you seem like you have a nice energy. I'm excited to talk to you. Have we spoken? Have we had a Holland before?

[E]

We have not, brother. We have not, man. I've. I've been a. Yeah, I've been a caller since probably. I mean, I've been a listener since, I gotta say, 20, 22 and.

[B]

Cool.

[E]

You know, I've tried. On occasion, I've tried to. I've tried to call in, but, you know, man, you just got.

[D]

You.

[E]

You've done. You've done a lot of great things in the last five to six years, man. I just. I. It's. It's great. It's great seeing you just do what you do, man. I just want to say real quick, you're. You're walking across Japan video that you, you know, you put out a couple. Couple weeks back, maybe a couple months back, man. It just. It. It really hit me in a certain. I mean, just. It. It just. It. There's a lot of resonation, man. It resonated a lot, you know, a lot of resonance. My bad.

[B]

No, so. Yeah. Thank you.

[E]

I'm sorry.

[B]

Thank you, man.

[E]

Yeah, man, I'm just sorry about.

[B]

At all, man. You don't have a thing to be said sorry about at all, man. I'm. No, I glad that. That. Well, yeah, I'm happy that that video is resonating with people, you know?

[E]

Yeah, man, I. Look, I mean. I mean, you and I. You and I are really just a couple, you know, I really. Just. Two dudes, man. We're just two dudes just surrounded by a bunch of other dudes and. And other, you know, dudettes. Girls. Just. We're just two people, man. Just, you know, we, you know, we're just dealing with the same that other people around us are dealing with. And I mean, I remember one of your. One of your. Just another one of your videos, you know, just calling the guy, talking about his issues and something you really said that, you know, it. You know, just a lot of, you know, I'm just. I'm trying to do my best to apply as much as I can just from everybody I encounter, but, you know, you just said sometimes you just got to do stuff. Sometimes you just got to get up and do Stuff and I'm like, I, yeah, I just, I was like, man, yeah. I'm like, screw all this, you know. Oh, let me get my, you know, let me get my diet right. Let me get my sleep schedule right before I can really start going to the gym or going to the park and just going on walks. It's like that. Just, just do stuff, man. You know, everybody, you know, I might, I, I, I do. I got too much of an all or nothing mindset. You know what I mean? Just, just do it, man. Just sometimes you just got to do stuff to get yourself out of that funk and. Yeah, man, I just, you know, you're just a great guy, dude. I, I can't, I really can't believe I'm actually calling you right now, man. I do just want to say it's. What time is it where you're at right now?

[B]

It's about 8:00pm Ish.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[E]

Yeah, I just, it's about 6, it's about 6:20 something over. I'm out in Phoenix, Arizona, man. Shout out 602 if you're a 602 listener. Shout out, shout out. Phoenix, Arizona, man. I, yeah, it's about like 6:30 right now, man. I'm, I'm kind of at work right now and. Oh my gosh, dude, I just can't believe. Oh my gosh, dude, this is.

[B]

Well, you know, I, I'll say, I'll say a few things. It's funny what you're saying to me because for those, for anyone who doesn't know, I made this video where I walked like through like the Japanese countryside and I was kind of talking about like depression and this existential crisis that I was having at the time. And that, that existential crisis was really real. It was really, really real. And the depression was really real. And I feel so much better. I. Fuck. I took that walk a year ago almost. Damn. I mean the video came out in May, but I took that walk about a year ago and I feel so much better since then. And the main reason I, one of the main reasons I think I feel so much better is because I've been just busier. I've been busier. I've been trying to be a part of a community. I've been making these, these videos that I'm really enjoying doing and I, you know, so it's, it's interesting that that's what you gleaned because that's definitely been my, my, my, my findings. But Rio, I have a question for you. I don't know if you have time to talk. You sound like you're.

[E]

No, if you have time to talk.

[B]

But let me, so let me, let me ask you this. It's okay. If not, I'm sure we can find our way into a conversation of some sorts. But do you. Was there something specific you called in to want to talk about?

[E]

Not really, man. I kind of just, you know, I was on a little 15 minute break. I go on Instagram like the many times I do and saw you were calling and I was like, I saw, I noticed you posted it not even 17 seconds ago when I saw it. So I was like, if there's time to, if there's a time to roll the dice, I might as well. And look, Lyle, I just wanted to say, man, you're just, you're one of the very few people who. So within the last couple of years, just within the last year in March, it'll be a year since I just dropped out of, since I dropped out of college, man, and I've honestly felt the most free I ever have felt. And just I, that was around the time you and you know, you know, you had made that one of you. You had posted a video just calling another guy and you had said sometimes you just got to do stuff and. Yeah, anyway, I just wanted to say, man, you know, I, I, you know, I've had a, I've 180 my life in certain ways where I just, you know, I just had to relearn a lot of things and it doesn't help being. I'm 20, I just turned 21 a couple weeks ago. So I'm, I'm real young man. I've grown up with nothing but computers and Internets and phones. And so I really had to, I just have to learn to live without that, man. I, I'm making a conscious effort to live without that stuff. And the reason I'm going to that, man is because the, the, the very few times. You're one of the very few people who I've come across on the Internet who has a very large and growing platform, who actually feels like a real person. You're one of the few people on, you know, you're one of the few people with the platform that I come across that just. You actually feel like if somebody. Yeah, you really, you really represent just, man, what, what a person is, man. You really represent what, what it is to be just a human. Just, you know. And I think a lot of people, I don't, I don't really feel the need to elaborate and I Feel like a lot of people.

[B]

Can I.

[E]

Go ahead.

[B]

Well, can I ask you this? So you've made a conscious decision to get rid of tech and phones and, and all this stuff is. I think there is something going on and it might be a little fringe of movement, but it's a fringe but growing movement of people kind of rejecting the, the tech crazy landscape that we're in. So I want to know what was the catalyst for you of taking this, this, this, this shift and then how's it been going?

[D]

I just.

[E]

Do you know the dude who plays the Punisher? The dude, what's his, what's his name? Like, why am I drawing a blank on his name? Yeah. John Bernthal. He, he, he hates naps. He's like. There are multiple videos of him talking about how much he hates naps. And I feel like spending hours and hours. Yeah, he hates naps. And one of the justifications, the burn burns.

[B]

Yeah. He says, why does he, why does he hate naps?

[E]

One of his justifications, and I can understand this to an extent, is he's basically saying the whole world is moving while you're sleeping at, while you're taking a nap at 3:00pm and you know, I can to an extent. I understand that, brother. But I guess my point is I feel I. That it's. I applied that to just doom scrolling and spending time on the phone, on the Internet. Whether it be to just, you know, pointless scrolling or it just, just spending time on the Internet just being immersed in that world when reality is just going outside and looking at the sun and listening to all the different birds chirping and, you know, saying hey to whoever's walking their dog across the sidewalk outside your house. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, I know. Here's the thing is, I don't think that should apply to naps. And I'm gonna tell you why is. Because what I hate about scrolling is that you, you can, you can just kind of like find yourself scrolling. You know what I mean? You can just be like. So, like it's just a habit for you to just pull out TikTok and like, before you even know it, you've spent all this time scrolling. But it's funny because you could also do that with a nap. You can find yourself napping as well. But if you. It's all about intent. I think it's all about intention. That's what I hate. I hate when I, I hate when like the phone like steals time away from me that I didn't give it. Like, if I sit down to watch a movie or, or play a video game or something. And the time is like, I'm choosing to spend my time doing this or choosing to be with certain people that's, I think, like it's bits about the intention more so than it is about the, the activity itself. And typically we, we're kind of engineered so that you find yourself just scrolling on this shit. But what, so what have you been doing instead, man?

[E]

I've just been just reading more, man. Just picking up books for just the sake of doing it, man. I have. You know, it's funny. I was never the best student growing up, but I just, you know, I've collected a bunch of books that I've had just over time in school. School and just have encountered and just, you know, friends. Tell me about this book. Whatever, man. So I've just been reading a lot more.

[B]

What do you read?

[E]

Go ahead. I found a book at this antique store many months ago, I want to say around May or June. And it was by this man called. Oh, it was by this man whose name was William H. Danforth. It is called. The book is called I dare you. And it's, the book is essentially him sitting at one end of the table and you're on the other end of the table, and he's saying there are things that you want to do, but for some reason you're too scared to do them. You feel that the time isn't right. And he's saying, I dare you to, I dare you to do it. I dare you to live in every way. I dare you to go through with all the things that just scare you. You know, all the things that you're putting on hold because you got to do, you know, X, Y and Z first. You know, it's, it. If it wasn't, if it wasn't tying into everything that you were talking about, you know, I don't know what, I don't know what I was being told at that time or. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, well, I, I, I believe that. I believe that. I believe that to an extent for sure. What, what do you feel like you're putting off?

[E]

Well, I've just always, you know, I think I'm just putting off certain, certain hard, you know, just certain things that I know are difficult and. Well, let me, let me, let me be a little more, Let me be a little more honest is that I've, I haven't had much. These past, this past, these past six months have been some very pivotal six months, and that's just Because I've given myself the time to just go to the park and just, you know, go walking, to just read books, to just write. I mean, dude, if I had. If I wasn't able to.

[B]

Are you. Well, so are. Are you. Are you putting. What do you. What do you feel like you're putting off.

[E]

Right now? I. Right now? If I have to just look at where I am currently at right now in my life, I'd say I am putting off. I'd say I'm putting off. Yeah, I honestly just. You said this earlier and it really. It. It stuck with me. It's just I. I think I'm putting off really just kind of going out and developing a community of my own and. And, you know, in one way, just kind of just. Yeah. Just being a little more social. I'm very. I've always really been to myself. I've never been. I guess I. I've gotten used. I've gotten really used and comfortable to just be alone. Being. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Just being.

[E]

Yeah, I got into myself.

[B]

Are you in college?

[E]

No, no, no, no. I dropped out in March. It'll be a year since I dropped out and.

[B]

Yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You mentioned that. You mentioned that.

[E]

Yeah. No, I'm not at school, man. I just. Right now I'm working at a Sprouts farmers market. It's been two years this month, and the most, like, the most socializing I do is when I'm not working. I'm always at my. Nearby. My closest park and just playing basketball there. I'm going there from usually 6pm to 8pm and yeah, so, you know, I, you know, that's. That's what I. That's what I've been doing for. That's a great, you know, just a way to stay.

[B]

Great way to. Yeah, it's a great way to stay fit. And you also fudgeing. I'm sure you meet people who are going to the courts pretty often.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, we're all boys, you know. You know, after. You know, after seeing the same group of guys for, you know, a couple weeks straight, you know, you just kind of, you know, get to know their names and just. It's just, you know, just dudes being dudes, man. And it ain't, you know, it's. It's really. No, it's. It's not. It's never been an issue for me to just be in an elevator with a couple dudes and, you know, make small talk and be. Be cool with anybody. It's Never been an issue, man, woman, child. It's always been an easy time to just, you know, talk to people and just kind of just be, just be able to, you know, just be received. Well, you know, I've, I've, I have, I've been on the standoffer side too. And it's funny, that really came off within the last couple of years. And that's just because, I don't know, I can't, I can't really say I was surrounded by. Did you ever feel like growing up a lot of friendship were just conditional?

[B]

Well, inherently, they kind of are when you're growing up.

[D]

Right.

[B]

Because if you're on the bus, you just are friends with whoever else is on the bus, you know. But also, but I, I, I mean, I got, I got lucky because my friends and I, we all kind of like grew up and developed a similar sensibilities together and, and, and, you know, histories and whatnot. It is, I guess you, you sound like, when you say conditional, you're referring to some specific feeling.

[E]

Well, yeah, I, Yeah, I guess, I mean, for, you know, I guess the example I was going to is, you know, I, I did my formative years just growing up as a youngin man. I just, you know, I, I played sports. But, you know, when you're not really good at them, you are, you are more or less the odd man out when it, when it comes to at least just being on team it, whether you're at recess, you know, if you're not good, you're not, you know, you're excited, excluded. If you're not good at this sport, if you're not funny or if you're not, you know, if you don't, you know, it was conditional.

[B]

I see what you mean. Yeah. Okay, so. Yeah, okay, that makes more sense. That makes more sense, dude.

[E]

Even, even, I mean, even, especially growing up at, you know, during the, you know, in the 2010, even if you didn't have a phone, you were just left out to an extent. I mean, you know, I, I feel like growing up and this is, you know, this is certainly for me at least, you know, I can't speak for all the other billion people and you know, in the world, but, you know, there's just, you know, it, it's just a. There, there have been mass waves of just what's. Yeah, just comparison and comparison kills personality. And there's just, it's, if you ask me, it's just, there's a lot of. That was just, you know, just coming in, just coming in low in truckloads. Just, you know, with the rise of social media and as every kid just started having a phone, it was kind of, you know, people just became less personal.

[B]

Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio.

[D]

Lyle.

[B]

I think that you have a good hunch to try and remain connected, but don't, don't. Do people do this all the time. And I, I try not to, like the. I don't know if you still believe this. I don't know if you still believe that relationships are conditional, but try not to hold on to that idea too tightly, because I, I often find that you kind of find whatever you're looking for. So if you view the world is, like, inherently, I mean. I mean, the world is. Well, I mean, the world is inherently, I guess, conditional. But, like, just what. Just, just, just try not to be too on guard. You know what I'm saying? Like. Like, if you're.

[E]

Fair enough.

[B]

Because if you're. Because if you're. If you're so afraid of being, like, taken advantage of, then you're just not going to be, like, open when that opportunity presents itself for you to be there, you know? But I, I think. I think you're. By going to the fucking basketball court and just, like, trying to socialize more, I think you're doing well for yourself, Rio. You know, it's a good idea. I also, like, also, like, inherently, if your nature is to stay to yourself, you're. I think you're doing a good thing by reversing that because it's better to be connected than to be, you know, jerking off, doing nothing. I mean, jerking off and playing video games is. Jerking off and playing video games is. Is really cool. But, like, I, ideally, I, ideally, I try to make it so that, like, you want to be. You want to be jerking off and playing video games because you're tired or taking a break from being connected with other people. You don't want to be the reverse where you're mainly jerking off and playing video games and then occasionally seeing people. I figured out a life where I could jerk off multiple times a day and play video games and still talk to people.

[E]

So I do. I know it's doable.

[B]

I know it's doable.

[E]

Do not apply this to yourself, Lyle. If you feel the need to, then, you know, that's up to you. I. Now that I actually like. I'm just glad to have a little platform right now. Anybody's listening? Any man, any male, please just understand pornography, you know, semen retention, those things are. First of all, pornography is something to stray away From. And it will kill your mind. It will. It will. It will up your brain more than heroin just as much, if anything. And I also want to say, too, that semen retention. Practice, practice, practice. Boys, boys. Y' all gotta get your mind right. Y' all gotta get your mind right. Semen retention is simple power. It is just power that if we release constantly, we will not have power. That is literal drive.

[D]

That is.

[B]

You're buried. You buried the lead. You buried the lead here.

[E]

Can I say something else real quick, too?

[B]

Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. And then I'm gonna give you my. Yeah, go ahead.

[E]

Well, look, man, I just wanna, I just want to take a couple steps back and I'm, I'm really glad you asked me. What am I avoiding? Because maybe I'm not thinking. Maybe I'm still a little bit thinking. Maybe I'm thinking inside the box too. But no, man, I've just had hunches. I just had hunches to just go and do things. Just go and, you know, I, I don't take the time to just say, hey, I, I, I have the time to just drive up, you know, to the, you know, just up north to, you know, Flagstaff. Stop. North.

[B]

Okay, sorry. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna interrupt you. Why, why, why are you. I, I agree with you on porn, by the way. I do think porn is, like, inherently not evil.

[E]

Evil, man.

[B]

I'm not gonna go. Listen, listen, I'm not going to go. I'm, I, I'm not gonna go as far as, say, the porn is evil. I don't think porn, I don't think porn is evil, but I think it's, you know, I think porn is like, donuts. You know what I mean? I really do. Porn is like, donuts. Like, you don't like. I don't think. Don't. I don't think donuts are evil. I don't think people who make donuts are evil. I don't think, you know, the donut industry is inherently evil, all that stuff. But listen, I think in Phoenix, I think it's nice to have a donut every once in a while. I think sometimes you need a donut. Right? Whatever. Like, the healthiest. A person who's now. A person who is eating healthy is probably not eating donuts. Maybe in the same way that a person who has. Is practicing healthiness of the mind in general is probably not eating donuts. But I don't think donuts are evil. And I think yes, if you eat a dough, if you eat donuts every day, every morning and every night, that's probably pretty unhealthy. Yes, I agree with you on that with porn.

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But why do you. Why do you. Why. What's up with semen retention? What is that? Why are you obsessed with not coming?

[E]

There have been. There are just. It's. Ancient mystics have practiced the. The practice of semen. They have.

[D]

Pratt.

[E]

They have taken part in the practice of semen retention for, you know, alchemy. Alchemy reasons, you know, purposes regarding alchemy. And you literally. You literally think it gives you superpowers, essentially, dude. I mean, there. I mean, there are. There are chemical. Over there. There are chemical overlap there. There. My bad. There's chemical overlap between the brain and just semen retention. I know there are. I know like, Pederson is very.

[B]

I'm a. I. I'm gonna. I'm gonna interrupt you. I. If I had the choice between being able to levitate and being able to masturbate, I would choose masturbating easily. Superpowers don't. I don't. There's nothing I can do with them. If I, Like, If I. Look, if I. If you. If I could trade. If I could trade my ability to come for like heat vision or whatever, I would. I'd keep coming. Coming is more applicable to my life than any kind power or alchemy. I don't. I'd rather I. Coming has a greater place in my life than alchemy does. I. There's nothing useful that I could do with superpowers.

[E]

But that's because you've only done one of the things, though, man. I mean, look, I've never levitated. I can't. I'm not gonna speak for you, but it doesn't seem like you've ever levitated, but.

[B]

No, I have. You can speak for me. I probably haven't. Yeah, go ahead. What's. What superpowers are. What superpowers are you trying to get.

[E]

Look, I'm just saying, first off, I'm gonna say first. I'm gonna say this first that he vision would get my grilled cheese right. And the second thing I'll say is levitation. What if the apex of. You know, of coming. What is that apex you reach when you come? That what is. That's what you feel levitating, but just the entire time your. Your ass is separated from the ground. You know what I mean? What if that's just what if that's just the feeling that you had when you're stationary in the air. I don't just levitate.

[B]

I don't.

[E]

We've only tried.

[B]

I would just. Then I would. If levitating feel. If levitating feels like coming, then. Then I'll just come instead of. You get what I'm. You get what I'm saying? If they're equal experience, I'll just do the easier one.

[E]

I think it's like ski. I think now we're on like a ski, a skiing and a snowboarding thing. Like, you know, it's a more fun.

[B]

Yeah, you know, but this is. But I don't. I don't know, man. What's your name again? Rio.

[E]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir, man. It is real.

[B]

You seem like an. Rio, Rio, Rio, you. I'm gonna say this before we go. You, first of all, thank you for kind words, man. You seem like a really nice, sweet dude.

[D]

I love you. You're a great guy.

[B]

Thank you, brother. Thank you, brother. I think I'm glad to hear you're getting out of the house. I'm glad. You know what? I'm glad you're not watching porn. It's probably not. It's like. Yeah. You know the donut thing. And you know what? It sounds like semen retention is going very well for you. So. I mean. Yeah, keep, keep, keep doing what you're doing, brother.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Is there anything, is there anything else you want to say to the people, the computer before we go?

[E]

Before that, I have to ask you a question.

[B]

I will answer a question.

[E]

When do you plan on coming to Phoenix, bro?

[B]

Duh. September. I'm about to. I'm gonna. I'm announcing a bunch of tour dates very soon. I just gotta do the. In like in like February. I'll announce a bunch of tour dates and shit. So I'll, I'll be. I'll come up this month though. I mean, not this month, this. This year.

[E]

Yeah, we'll get it right, man. I'll see you then. But.

[B]

Okay, if you say to me, you're like, I'm the guy, we talked about levitating and masturbating.

[E]

I'll probably remember levitation and masturbation. We got it, brother. I will say this before my send off man is Hit me there. There is only one. There is only one eternal shared consciousness that is taking form of absolute trillions and that is us. There's only one conscious. We all share one conscious. And that is why we all have similar memories and similar ideas. And I Mean, there like that. That whole one conscious, that eternal shared conscious that that is God. A lot of people aren't ready for that conversation, but God, that concept, basically divine source, is consciousness. It is the fabric of reality. And there is only one, and we all share it. We share it with the birds, we share it with the spiders, with the dogs. We all humans only see 0.0035 of the light spectrum. So that entire 96. Whatever, that's for the other living creatures that see different waves of light and see the echoes of sound waves. There's only one consciousness. And I just. You know, we're all one. We're all one, and we're just supposed to love each other. And love will, love will. Love will transcend us all from this third dimension. And, Lyle, I love you, man. And I'll see you when you're in Phoenix, man. I just.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Levitation and masturbation, man. You're a great guy, dude. And just. Just keep on putting smiles on people's faces, man, because you've been doing a great job at it.

[B]

Yo, stay safe and get blessed, Rio. Appreciate you.

[E]

Get blessed, brother. Take care.

[B]

That was Rio. You know what's crazy is think, like. I don't think Rio was high when he was. When he was talking just now. I don't think he was high when he was saying all that stuff about humans can only see a portion of the light spectrum is. What's crazy is thick. Like, things that like. Like, you know when. Like, a guy has, like, an acid trip and is, like, talking about this shit, and you're like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? That. That person is always right. Everything. Everything. I'm sure a lot of you heard what Rio talking just now, and you were like, this guy's high. What the Is he talking about? And you're Val. And you're valid to think that. But he. He was just. He was right about 100% of what he was talking about. It's all true. It's all true. Where there's one consciousness, he. I don't think he was high. I don't even. I don't think you need to be high to come to that conclusion. It's true. Yeah. Sometimes I'll. Sometimes I'm like, fucking. I'm on that shit. You know what I mean? I'm, like, thinking about there. There's only one consciousness, and I'm thinking about the divinity of the universe and shit. And. And then someone's like, you know, maybe. Maybe you're on the divinity of the universe and shit. And then your girl is like, you know, making cookies or something. Your friend's making cookies. Your boyfriend's baking cookies. Someone's making cookies. You're on the divine universe and you're talking about this shit. And then your friend making cookies is like, what the fuck are you talking about? And you're looking at your friend like, you don't fucking. You have no fucking idea. You have no fucking idea what I have discovered about how the fucking universe is one and that we only live one life and that we are grains of sand in a vast desert of consciousness shared by the birds and the ants and all that. You're freaking out. You're like. You're so. You're like this fucking person I'm saying this to. They don't fucking. What the. Like, they can't even comprehend where my mind is right now. And then they're like, have a cookie. And you eat a cookie and, like, this cookie is good, you know? And then it's like, hey, the person baking cookies, they were. It's like, you can look. You look at them and you're like, oh, they're like, they're not on my level of consciousness. And then you're like, well, motherfucker, they're more conscious. They're. They're. They're seeing shit that I'm not even seeing, which is that cookies are good. They're not even seeing it. They're doing better than seeing it. They're expressing it. Everything. You're fucking up here, thinking about where you're looking at people, and you're like, they can't. They can't be on my fucking level of consciousness. They're. They're. They're actually. They're at a higher level of consciousness than you are because they're not thinking about this shit. They're living it. They're doing it. They're making cookies. They're painting up. They're calling their mom on the phone. They're taking a walk and looking at something. They're living this thing. So we're all. It all evens out the consciousness, the spectrum of consciousness. In that way, you're either living it or you're thinking about it. One of those two things. Personally, it's probably a little bit. I think it's better to live it. I'd say it's 80, 20, 85, 15. 85, 15, living, thinking. That's a good ratio. I take 70, 30 living thinking. But you want the majority to be living, baking your metaphorical cookies, whatever they may be.

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