“I FINALLY LOST MY VIRGINITY”

Summary

Therapy Gecko - Episode: “I FINALLY LOST MY VIRGINITY” Release Date: April 2, 2025

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Introduction In this episode of Therapy Gecko, hosted by Ken under the aegis of iHeartPodcasts, listeners are taken on a journey through personal revelations, relationship dynamics, and the complexities of mental health within the medical profession. True to its unique premise, the show features candid conversations with guests who delve into their personal experiences, offering insights and reflections that resonate with many.

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Main Conversation: Jack's Journey to Loss of Virginity and Relationship Dynamics

Timestamp [02:07] - [27:11]

Jack's Personal Milestones The episode begins with Jack (also referred to as Joe) sharing a significant personal milestone: he has recently lost his virginity. This event marks more than just a physical experience for Jack; it signifies a turning point in his emotional and relational life. Jack details his first intimate encounter with a co-worker, emphasizing the emotional connection they developed over a year of professional interaction.

Jack [03:24]: "It was a wonderful time. It was actually a first date with a co-worker and... we really enjoy each other's personality."
(03:24)

Navigating Relationship Barriers Despite the positive connection, Jack expresses concerns about external barriers, notably his partner's responsibilities as a parent. He grapples with balancing his desire to spend more time with her against her existing commitments.

Jack [04:51]: "She works a lot, which you know, I get. You know, she has a kid so... I want to see her."
(04:51)

Impact of the First Sexual Experience Jack reflects on how his first sexual experience has influenced his self-perception. He humorously analogizes the experience to visiting New York—exciting but ultimately not transformative to his identity.

Jack [10:09]: "Having sex for the first time... it's like going to New York... it doesn't really change you."
(10:09)

The Unexpected Fight and Injury The conversation takes a dramatic turn as Jack recounts an incident that led to a knee injury. While attending a parade, an unwanted altercation escalated, resulting in a torn ACL and lateral meniscus. This event not only affected his physical health but also sidelined him professionally.

Jack [17:12]: "I got in some fight that I didn't want to... until other people stepped in. Oh, and I also recently lost my virginity."
(17:12)

Analyzing the Fight Incident Ken reviews a video Jack shared of the altercation, providing an objective analysis of the encounter. While Jack views the incident as an unfortunate necessity, Ken questions the severity and outcome, ultimately expressing concern for Jack's well-being.

Ken [24:16]: "Jack, I don't think you won this fight."
(24:16)

Conclusion of Jack's Segment The segment concludes with mutual well-wishes, highlighting the complexities Jack faces in balancing his personal life, professional setbacks, and physical recovery.

Ken [26:19]: "Stay out of trouble. Hopefully you and this girl will get married and have beautiful children and a beautiful life."
(26:19)

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Caller Segment: Billy’s Insights on Mental Health in the Medical Field

Timestamp [28:09] - [54:55]

Understanding SSRIs and Mental Health Billy, another caller, dives deep into the stigmas surrounding Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs). As a medical professional working in an emergency room, he observes firsthand how these medications are often misunderstood and villainized.

Billy [28:20]: "People just see them as crazy... However, it's something very helpful and not just a zombie drug."
(28:20)

Challenges in the Medical Profession Billy expresses concerns about the mental toll that working in the medical field can take. He highlights how constant exposure to trauma and high-stress environments can lead to burnout and self-loathing among healthcare providers.

Billy [32:33]: "I'm worried that the pressures of the job... might lead me to just keep pushing through and become like those people who hate themselves."
(32:33)

Balancing Personal Values and Professional Demands Despite these challenges, Billy remains optimistic about maintaining his principles and support systems. He emphasizes the importance of staying true to oneself to prevent the negative impacts seen in some of his colleagues.

Billy [35:11]: "I have made you the person that you are today... I hope that I stay true to who I am."
(35:11)

Therapeutic Reflections Engaging in philosophical discussions, Billy shares insights from his therapists, contrasting physiological perspectives with holistic, spiritual approaches to personal development and mental health.

Billy [36:27]: "My therapist... goes down this more, like, holistic, like, spiritual route... to get to where you are now."
(36:27)

Support Systems and Personal Growth Billy underscores the significance of robust support systems in fostering mental well-being and personal growth, advocating for community and connection as antidotes to existential dread.

Billy [39:06]: "When I first started listening... something about, like, hearing about other people's plights kind of made me feel like, okay, I'm not the only person in this world who's like, you know, suffering."
(39:06)

Engaging with Therapy Gecko Billy recounts how Therapy Gecko provided solace during a tumultuous period, highlighting the therapeutic value of shared experiences and collective understanding.

Billy [39:06]: "Hearing about other people's plights kind of made me feel like, we're all just kind of all in this together."
(39:06)

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Caller Segment: Lyle’s Workplace Woes and Relationship Dynamics

Timestamp [58:09] - [91:50]

Navigating Job Challenges Lyle shares his recent struggles with workplace dynamics while working for his girlfriend's parents. After attempting to call out of work post-St. Patrick's Day festivities, he faced pay deductions and is now seeking new employment opportunities.

Lyle [59:07]: "I don't have any of that... I'm doing like, construction and landscaping."
(59:07)

Impact on Personal Relationships The fallout from workplace conflicts has strained Lyle’s relationship with his girlfriend's parents, though efforts to maintain normalcy continue. He expresses uncertainty about his girlfriend's stance on the issue.

Lyle [61:03]: "She's kind of in between. She's like, it's, you know, your fault because it would have never happened."
(61:03)

Exploring Career Paths Discussing his career trajectory, Lyle contemplates shifting to plumbing or seeking roles in the service industry. His location on Tybee Island adds complexity due to the competitive housing market dominated by short-term rentals.

Lyle [63:02]: "I'm staying till September. It's really expensive to live out here, so we're gonna move into Savannah."
(63:02)

Entrepreneurial Aspirations Lyle introduces his entrepreneurial venture—a touring fan engagement company aimed at enhancing pre-show experiences for artists and their fans. He envisions activities like games and merchandise giveaways tailored to each artist's unique fan base.

Lyle [83:33]: "I'm starting a company where I am going on tour with different artists and interacting with their general mission fans through different activations."
(83:33)

Ken’s Feedback and Encouragement Ken provides constructive feedback on Lyle's business idea, acknowledging its potential while offering realistic perspectives based on his own experiences in the service industry.

Ken [90:55]: "If I were on Shark Tank and you were pitching me this idea, I would say... if you can come up with an idea for a pre-show thing that is more fun than getting really drunk, then you got yourself a good idea on your hands."
(90:55)

Closing Thoughts Lyle and Ken conclude their conversation with mutual well-wishes, emphasizing the importance of perseverance and adaptability in the face of professional and personal challenges.

Ken [91:01]: "Take care, Billy. Bye."
(91:01)

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Additional Interactions and Insights

Throughout the episode, other callers like Chudley and Billy contribute anecdotes and engage in discussions about various topics, including workplace safety, the nature of artistry, and the challenges of maintaining mental health in high-stress environments. These interactions enrich the episode, providing diverse perspectives and fostering a sense of community among listeners.

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Conclusion “I FINALLY LOST MY VIRGINITY” serves as a multifaceted exploration of personal growth, the complexities of intimate relationships, and the mental health challenges inherent in demanding professions. Through heartfelt conversations and relatable storytelling, Therapy Gecko offers listeners a space to reflect on their own experiences and find solace in shared human struggles.

Notable Quotes:

• "I'm trying my best to be alive as a human being on the planet."
  — Ken [58:12]

• "Forgiving that guy that gave me a bad knee... on now."
  — Joe [27:11]

• "How do people get that? How do people get to be normal and calm?"
  — Billy [44:19]

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Key Takeaways:

• Personal Milestones: Jack's experience highlights the emotional nuances tied to significant personal events.
• Mental Health in Medicine: Billy's insights shed light on the often-overlooked mental health struggles of healthcare professionals.
• Entrepreneurial Ventures: Lyle's business idea underscores the potential for innovative approaches to fan engagement in the entertainment industry.
• Community and Support: The episode emphasizes the importance of support systems and community in navigating life's challenges.

“Therapy Gecko” continues to blend humor with heartfelt discussions, offering listeners both entertainment and meaningful reflections on everyday struggles and triumphs.

Transcript

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[Ken]

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[Jack]

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[Chudley]

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[Chudley]

Hello? Hi.

[Joe]

Can you hear me?

[Ken]

Hi. Hey. Hi, Ken. What's your name?

[Joe]

Let's go with Jack.

[Ken]

Jack. What's up, Jack? That sounds like Joe. That sounds like something Joe Biden would say. What's up, Jack? How you doing? How's life?

[Joe]

Well, you know, it's upset. It's upset. It's ups and downs lately. I've actually kind of texted you some kind of broad strokes information about myself.

[Ken]

Well, I, I Did not get your text. Why don't you, why don't you say it to us again?

[Joe]

Fair enough. So I'm a nurse, relatively new, started about a year ago, but I've been out of work lately because of a knee injury because of a fight that I didn't want to get involved in. But technically one until I got, until other people stepped in. Oh, and I also recently lost my virginity.

[Ken]

You recently lost your virginity?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it.

[Ken]

How, how is that? Tell me that, Tell me, tell me all the juicy details if you so desire.

[Joe]

Well, I mean technically nobody knows me, so why not? It was a wonderful time. It was actually a first date with a co worker and you know, I would have just been happy with just like, you know, a date. But you know, we were watching some anime, uh, some I think was death Notes and eventually we started uh, getting a little freaky and yeah, it was pretty awesome. And well, what's really cool is there seems to be a little spark between us. Like you know, we really enjoy each other's personality. Like we were co workers for like a year before we even thought of doing anything.

[Ken]

Wow. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Alright, so this isn't just a, an anime induced sexual rendezvous. This is the potential buds of something that could, could, could last a while.

[Joe]

I mean, don't get me wrong, those anime titties probably helped but I mean, no, I think, I mean, I think, I mean because we really like each other. Only thing that might, might worry me, it's you know, she works a lot, which you know, I get. You know, she, she has a kid so I mean she's got to care for her. Care for a kid. But I mean, you know, you know, I want to see her.

[Ken]

I don't think she got kid.

[Joe]

Yeah, no, no, no. And it's like I 100% just said you gotta take care of that kid. But I don't know. I mean, you know what I mean? I'm trying to be respectful of that. But it's also like I want to spend time with her and tj also whenever I say that she's like I really want to spend time with you too.

[Ken]

Interesting. Interesting. Interesting.

[Joe]

Yeah. So it's like we both want it. We both get. There's natural reasons why there's barriers. We're both reasonable adults. It's just we want to see each other more. It would be nice.

[Ken]

What is the. How many times have you guys rendezvoused?

[Joe]

Well, the first, well after that first day my parents were out of town for few days. So you know, we had to have ourselves. So we made good use of that.

[Ken]

Pretty good.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. But we had. I also plan on taking her to. Well, I guess I shouldn't say exactly why it is because, you know, right now I'm doing a pretty good job of keeping myself ambiguous. But it's a really nice little, uh, little thing that would have a nice little ambiance of romance to it. That, uh, is really, like, only downside. It's saying fault. A lot of walking, but I can do it with my leg. I've actually been doing daily walks for about a mile or two to try to build up strength for my knee surgery that's coming up.

[Ken]

Mmm. All right, so let me. Let me recap this. Alright? So you're taking this lady out on a romantic date to like a, what, like a fucking botanical garden or something like that?

[Joe]

Something like, it's like a light show type thing.

[Ken]

Oh, very cool. Very nice. What? I mean, you don't have to tell me the nitty gritty. But what do you guys work at? Like, what kind of industry.

[Joe]

We work at? We both work in a hospital. We both work on a neurosurgical floor.

[Ken]

Oh, holy fucking tits. That's huge. That's a lot. Yeah. Okay, so you're both busy medical professionals and she has a kid.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. And she also has a second job that she actually is gonna be starting back up soon too. So it's like, if. I think she's busy now. Ooh. You know what I mean?

[Ken]

Yeah. Okay. But you're getting the vibe from her because, I mean, that's the thing, right? Is that, like. It's hard to tell. I mean, some. Sometimes you kind of. Sometimes your gut tells you and you can decide whether or not you want to believe it, but it's like hard to tell whether or not is like somebody is like a lot of the times. Yes. People are like, actually genuinely fucking busy. Like, do you get the vibe that she's, like, genuinely actually busy and wants to. Wants to make it work and she's not like, blowing you up?

[Joe]

Oh, 100. 100%. She's like. She's like a teddy bear. She's so sweet. I don't. And I also really think that she had a problem. She. She hasn't been. She hasn't had any issues just saying it before.

[Ken]

Mm. And so. Hmm. How long have you guys. So you got. But you guys are not like in a relationship. A fairly new thing happening. But yeah, you're trying to. You're trying to invest in the Relationship with the hope being that it can become a stable thing.

[Joe]

Yeah, well, and also, as you were telling me about how well her baby dad, she was down, I was telling her one day, oh, I really want to spoil you. Just like, oh, I've never had anybody. It's like, wait, you have a. You have a kid, Your baby daddy never spoiled you? Never, like, you know, never, like, gave you a bunch of, like, nice things on, like, Mother's Day? Nope. Only thing I got for Mother's Day from him was with a balloon, which is like. That is ridiculous.

[Ken]

Okay, so you. You're telling this lady, you're like, I want to spoil you. I want to get you all these nice things and all that.

[Joe]

I mean, I mean, I mean, nothing too crazy. I mean, but I mean, I mean, I want to. I want to give her some, you know, nice things a little bit. Like, I gave her this. Well, I gave her this one piece of this one bracelet, you know, very, you know, relatively cheap. She said she doesn't, you know, go for, like, the really nice thing. So I figured, okay, Something that's, you know, flux but looks good. You know what I mean? And I think you're send out pretty nice.

[Ken]

Cool, man. Cool. This sounds nice. This sounds nice. So this is your first. First foray into, like, a relationship.

[Joe]

Yeah. So it's like. And she's really understanding of also. It's like, well, I'm still trying to figure out what exactly is the difference between, you know, you know, thinking you have feelings and actually having the feelings. I think I have the feelings, but it's also like, you know, I've never had the feelings before. You know what I mean?

[Ken]

Yeah, totally. Totally. Can I ask how old you are?

[Joe]

29.

[Ken]

Really? Cool. Very nice. Very nice. Right?

[Joe]

Here's the great thing about admitting it is now it's not that because I used to be a virgin. Now I'm an authentic man.

[Ken]

Very good. Very nice. Do you feel different? Do you feel like, you know, you've. You've shed some metaphorical weight?

[Joe]

Well, you know, honestly, there's this great analogy I've heard about having sex before that I thought. And I still think it's great that sex, especially having sex for the first time, it's like going to New York, you know, it's a lot of fun. You know, it's a. It's a new experience, and you get to kind of connect with others because you now have. Because by going to New York, you have experience to kind of draw upon. When you talk about your experience, you Know, going to New York at the end of the day, it doesn't really change you. You're not any different as a result. You just. You went to New York. How was it? Did you have fun?

[Ken]

Right? Right? No. Yes. You.

[Joe]

You're.

[Ken]

You're the same guy before and after you had sex for the first time. You didn't. It didn't really mature. It didn't. It doesn't. Yeah, I guess if. I mean, so some people have varying degrees of shame or whatever associated with virginity or whatever, but it's like at the end of the day, there's no. You are the same person before and after you lost your virginity. It didn't really do much. It didn't. It didn't ultimately do much to change your identity or your life. Yeah, well.

[Joe]

Well, one thing it did change. I found out that apparently I've been brainwashed by porn into thinking that a dead a. That a actually big dick isn't a big dick. And I found that out personally, if you know what I mean.

[Ken]

I actually. Hold on, let me see if I know what you mean. Okay. You were brainwashed by porn into thinking that. Okay, Porn brainwashed you into thinking basically.

[Joe]

I had like a baby subpar, you know, machinery at best.

[Ken]

But it turns out, and then turns out it turns out you actually have a huge cock.

[Joe]

Well, I would say huge, but nice.

[Ken]

Pretty good. Pretty good. You saw. Well, look, whether or not. Look, whether or not this experience was identity shaping or life defining, it sounds like you're having a good time. That's what matters.

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean it definitely elevated me after my knee got given out and not being able to work that immediately, that is. That didn't make me feel super great about myself. And then that made me feel awesome. I would have put that on like one of those like cane dances that like you see like Sinatra do in those old movies, if it wasn't for the fact that I can't twist this thing.

[Ken]

And who, who. Tell me more about who. Who is this lady that you're seeing that as the kid? Like, what's her. What's her deal?

[Joe]

Well, she's been working as well. She's been working at the healthcare worker there for quite a while before I was working there. She's been. She's. She's very health centric focus. She's been uh, very focused. She's uh, heavily focused on making. On trying to make sure she uh, you know, keeps her mental in check and it's trying her best to lose the weight. It's a little Bit hard for her because she has this, like, metabolic disorder, unfortunately. So it's like, it's so unfortunate. I mean, honestly, because it's worth really for her because it's like, you know. You know, your. Your body's the one that took. Made me a man, so I think it's beautiful. But I mean, I also understand how, you know, you also want to, you know, benefit yourself from a health perspective and, you know, all that. So I also support you trying to. You know what I mean? So it's like I'm having to trade the both sides of. I think you're beautiful, but also I support you. You know what I mean?

[Ken]

Sweet. That's very nice. You sound like a sweet guy, Jack. You sound like a sweet guy.

[Joe]

Thank you. Thank you. I. It's coming for you, especially Ed. I appreciate that. I find you to be kind of a very insightful person.

[Ken]

Oh, thanks, man. God damn. Are you. Are you sound. Are you happy, Jack? You sound like you're. You sound like a joyful man.

[Joe]

Well, part of it. Because of my being on disability, my doc says I can only do stationary work. And I'm not sure if you really notice what nurses, especially on surgical floors do, but none of what they do is really stationary. You know, they're constantly moving us. Exactly, exactly. So it's like that basically means, okay, you have to stay home and just focus on recovery. And the only problem is with how the system is set up. I mean, I basically have to wait a month before my surgery, and I did it today if I. If. If that was an option. And then the recovery for that is like a month. So it's like, that's two months that I can't work or get full day. So it's like, you know, But I mean, I'm taking it. But it's also like, I'm getting paid also to not work is another way to look at it.

[Ken]

Do you. And you still. You live with your parents, right? Do you have. Are you hoping to move out at some point soon now that you have, like, you know, you got your money coming in?

[Joe]

You know, I am. I have plans for it right now. The plan is because technically I just have my associates. My plan is to get my bachelor's, which will allow me to get the certificates that allows me to better specialize in my field, make a bunch of money, and then the end up paying for rent's gonna be just chump change. You know what I mean?

[Ken]

Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, like, it doesn't. So here's the thing. Now that I have a girlfriend. I actually chose my girlfriend. About that. Now that I have a girlfriend and that I'm paid, I kind of don't have a reason to leave the house at the moment.

[Ken]

Is it. But before you get ahead of yourself, is this lady your girlfriend yet? I mean, we.

[Joe]

We definitely think that it's something. I think she would. She would be opposed to the term girlfriend. She's. Apparently. She's already told everybody at work had. We, you know. You know, did that.

[Ken]

She. She already. She told everyone at work that you guys had sex.

[Joe]

Apparently. Apparently.

[Ken]

I mean, that's, I guess, a good sign. That means that's apparently, like, a huge, like, flirt.

[Joe]

So, like, apparently, like, she.

[Billy]

It.

[Joe]

That's not exactly new for her, so. But it's all good things to do.

[Ken]

I mean, well, Jack, it sounds like. It sounds like. It sounds like everything. Correct me if I'm wrong, But from our 15 minutes together, it sounds like things are actually going pretty well in your universe.

[Joe]

It's going well. I mean, you know, could be better. But I mean, you know, you can't control people. I mean, you know, I just kind of forgave that guy that, you know, gave me a bad knee from now on.

[Ken]

Wait, which guy? Someone gave you a bad knee?

[Joe]

Well, yeah, because that's what's got. Why I have to have the bad knee and some surgery coming up. It's good. Like, I got. I got in some fight that I didn't want to. At a. Like a parade.

[Ken]

Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Did you tell me the story of this fight earlier in this call?

[Joe]

I don't think so. I think I've touched on it. But, you know, you got. But admittedly, I kind of threw a lot of interesting things at you, so it's. Oh, yeah. I can't blame you for getting distracted.

[Ken]

Yeah. What happened with the fight? What. What. What. What transpired?

[Joe]

So, okay, so I was down at the parade. I was trying to. I was trying to just. Jill. Get some booze, and this guy just won't. Please, won't leave me alone. He starts swinging at me. I take him down the first time, tell him to leave me alone, and then he starts following me. I should have just. I could have just. I should have just kept walking because, honestly, he was so drunk, and so he said, take down the first time. Probably would have. Wouldn't have made it like a yard before stumbling on his own face. But I got in my head about how I didn't want to be looking over my shoulder the whole time while I was at the parade. So I decided, okay, let's just take care of this. And then I was already winning the fight, but then some other people jumped in, and then the way he. He was able to wrap his arms around my leg in a way where he was able to basically tackle into my knee, and that caused my ACL and my lateral meniscus to get torn as a result.

[Ken]

So. Okay, hold on. I don't understand. I don't understand here. You're at a parade, you're drunk. Why does he start swinging first? Is it.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no, no. He. No, he's drunk. I'm just like. I'm just, like, a little bit buzz, Maybe a little, you know, stoned. You know, I'm mostly trying to, like, you know, get it. Get with the lady. This is before I had a girlfriend.

[Ken]

Okay, so how did you. So why did it. But why did he swing at you?

[Joe]

Because he was drunk as hell and just with. With intention to do harm. He was trying to. From my understanding, he was trying to fight people all day.

[Ken]

Hmm. Okay, so he was. So. Okay, so you're telling me this guy was just. You didn't, like, hit on his girlfriend or something?

[Joe]

No, no, no. I was literally just passing this dude by, admitting he tried to try to talk to me, but he was drunk, and I didn't know what he was saying and didn't like the way you're saying to me. So I may have told him to off. But, I mean, you're.

[Ken]

And you're telling. You're telling me that the first you took him down, you, like, what'd you.

[Joe]

Do the first time I did? Well, basically, he swung at me, so I. I grabbed like, I did the typical white boy thing of grabbing the back of a shirt and swinging and swinging at the back of his shirt and swinging at him while taking him down, just because I didn't even want to fight the dude, so why would I fight there? Plus, it's still just him.

[Ken]

Whoever. I hope whoever is, like, in charge of administering your disability didn't see you beat this guy up, because then they would.

[Joe]

Enjoy. My doctors did. Just so that way they know. Exactly. Because I'm pretty sure when he settled into my knee, that was what tore up my ato.

[Ken]

But now. Okay, so you grabbed the back of his shirt and then just started, like, punching him.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just started swinging at him while also bringing him down into the ground.

[Ken]

Okay, and then what'd you do? You were like, now leave me alone. And then you walked away.

[Joe]

More or less. I mean, I may have said. I may have also called him a stupid, stupid, dumb drunk or something like that, but, you know, he was swinging at me for no reason. I mean, kind of warranted, you know what I mean?

[Ken]

And then he starts following you?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, he starts following me. You know, he. You know, he starts squaring up, and then I take him down, and then somebody. And then some. Somebody else jumps in, which allows him to mess up my knee. And I. And then some things happen, but I managed to get away, more or less my knee unscathed.

[Ken]

Pretty good. Pretty good.

[Joe]

There's even a video of it if you want to see it. I mean, I don't want to, like. I don't want you, like, show it the rest of the people, because technically my face is in it.

[Ken]

But I mean, yeah, sure, yeah, you can. You can send it. I can look at this video of you beating up a guy in my free time.

[Joe]

Sure. Is it just in the. In the text option with the.

[Ken]

Yes, sure, sure. You can text that to me. Wait, can I. Can you text it to me right now and then I can live. React to it?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Let me just Go ahead, pull it up really quick. I haven't saved in here some.

[Ken]

Okay. Yeah. I want to see this video of you beating this guy up.

[Joe]

It's. It's. I will say it's. It even kind of went viral for a second, to be honest.

[Ken]

It went viral. Like. Oh, you. Where. Where did you put it online?

[Joe]

I didn't do. Do anything. A bunch of other people. Like, a bunch of people you see in the video. Like, we were surrounded. Sorry. Trying to find this dang thing.

[Ken]

Let's see here. Okay, so you're on motherfucking world Star here.

[Joe]

Something like that for sure. Oh, here's one of them. Here's one of them.

[Ken]

All right, send it over. Yeah. Let's see here. Okay, I'm actually looking at the text that you sent me before. You said, hey, Geck, I'm a nurse out of work because of a bad knee. I've been listening to a lot of smooth jazz while taking weed and nitrous. Okay, that sounds fun. All right, let's see. Let's look at this video. It's on Facebook.

[Joe]

Voice sounds amazing.

[Ken]

Oh, all right, hold on. Let's see this. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, the first. I haven't watched the video yet, but the top comment. This is a. I'm watching this on Facebook. You sent me a Facebook Link. The top comment is how the did they both lose? All right, hold on.

[Billy]

Well.

[Joe]

Well, it's funny because, like, you would even tell like the dude somebody like, was kicking the other dude in. Well, I'm not sure if it shows in this video, but later. Holy.

[Ken]

You're actually really beating the shit out of this guy. Wow.

[Joe]

I wasn't in a playfight mood and I felt like displaying it to him.

[Ken]

All right, hold up. Oh, there's like a bunch of. What is this outside of a high school? Where the.

[Joe]

Is this outside of a gas station?

[Ken]

Jesus Christ. Yeah, this guy's like a lot bigger than you too.

[Joe]

I mean, I don't want to say too much, but apparently he might have been a member of something or something.

[Ken]

I don't. I don't know what that even means. Oh, wait. Okay, he's pinned you, but he's on top of you now. Oh, yeah, he's stomping on you. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. What's your name again, dude?

[Joe]

Jack.

[Ken]

Jack, I don't think you won this fight.

[Joe]

Well, well, again. Well, again. Well, again, I had uncontrolled till the one dude jumped in.

[Ken]

Jack, I don't think. Jack, I don't think you won this fight, man. This ended with this guy stop stomping on you, dude.

[Joe]

And believe it or not, the stomping barely did anything.

[Ken]

Let's see. Okay, I'm reading the comments now. Why are you guys saying they both lost? The big goofy man got put on his face. That's extremely funny. Okay, well, no, you got him at. You had him in the first half, though.

[Billy]

I mean.

[Joe]

Well, yeah, I mean, what happened was I get was I should have just left him down, you know, I got. You know, I basically gave him my legs. That was not my issue.

[Ken]

Wow. Well, I. I feel like this is so. This is extremely funny. Are you. Are you okay? Well, look, Jack, I mean, you, you. You had sex, you have a job or you have money coming in? Are you. Tell me before we go, are you planning on. Is that. Did you get everything out of your system? Are you ready to not fight people anymore or should the.

[Joe]

I didn't want to fight that dude to begin with, man. I was a pan, bro.

[Ken]

You look, Leo, you look very excited to fight this guy.

[Joe]

No, no, what I looked like was pissed off. Like he was annoying the out of me. I told him, leave me alone. I'm not a play by mood he can follow. He followed me.

[Ken]

He took. He. He. Unfortunately. Look, believe whatever you want, but he kind of looks like, he won the fight. He. He. At the. By the end of the fight, you were on the ground and he was stomping on you, and people had to take him away.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, when he dangled into me, that was when my acl, you know, popped so I could. Standing was kind of difficult by that point.

[Ken]

Well, Jack, stay out of trouble. Hopefully you and this girl will get married and have beautiful children and a beautiful life, or you'll be a beautiful stepdad. Is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Be smart out there. It's dangerous.

[Ken]

All right, well, take care, Jack. Good luck.

[Joe]

You as well, Jack. You as well. I wish you blessings on. Blessings.

[Ken]

Hey, you too, man. Take care.

[Joe]

All right. Bye. Bye.

[Ken]

For respect of that guy's privacy, I'm not going to share the video, but I do wish that I could somehow show it to the listeners. It is funny because now that I watch that video where he pretty clearly lost to the fight, it brings into credit. I'm not. Here's the thing. I'm. When this podcast as a whole, I'm not a big. I'm not big on pressing people as to whether or not I believe that they are telling the truth, but it does bring into question. It does bring this gentleman's credibility into question. He probably had sex. Even if he didn't have sex, whatever. Whatever this man did with his life was probably fine. I wish him good luck. I hope he had. I hope he continues to have sex. I hope he stays out of fights, and may Allah bless him.

[Billy]

Hello?

[Ken]

Hey, what's up, man? What's your name?

[Billy]

I'll go by Chudley.

[Ken]

Chudley, what's happening, Chudley? How can I. How can I geck you today? What's going on with ya?

[Billy]

Sir, I have been really vibing with the conversations you've been having lately with the last couple of people about kind of having a decent or good life. I feel like that arc from people being like, oh, my life's really shitty, to kind of finding that, like, peace and redemption, like, whether it be through, like. I've been really vibing with the talk about SSRIs. I work in the medical field, so it's always like. Yeah, it's always like. I don't know, people, like, villainize it because I. I work in an emergency room, so you see a lot of people who come in with, like, you know, they're on, like, a huge list of these SSRIs, and people just see them as crazy. So it's Kind of nice to be able to see, like. No, this actually helps, like normal people. Like, this is, you know, something very helpful and not just a zombie drug to make crazy people not crazy.

[Joe]

So.

[Ken]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I mean, I'm on my own SSRI journey right now. Who fucking knows where it's going to lead? But I mean, are you. Do you. Are you into pills? You like popping pills for a little bit?

[Billy]

I was just doing like, they have like anti anxiety meds. I don't know if you've ever heard of, like, like people. Sometimes people use like, Benadryl. You can use like super simple, like allergy meds is like a way to like, calm yourself down, really. Like when I was in college, I used to. Yeah, it's. It's pretty nice. It's. Well, it's not gnarly. It's actually really cool because they're. They're like, as needed use. You know how, like, with your meds right now you probably have to take them for like six weeks before you start seeing, like any kind of effect. Effect.

[Ken]

Yeah, yeah.

[Billy]

These ones you can take like, you're like, holy. I feel like I'm gonna, like, puke from how much I'm like, shaking. So you could be like, all right, cool. I'm just gonna take one of these and then I'll feel a little bit better.

[Ken]

Well, that's the thing is they tell you they're like, yeah, it's gonna start working in six weeks. And I'm like, who the fuck has six weeks?

[Billy]

Right? It's.

[Chudley]

It's.

[Billy]

And then sometimes what happens is after the six weeks is up, you're like, well, fuck, I don't feel any different. So now I gotta try a new one.

[Ken]

Duh. Jesus Christ. I don't know. I. I kind of talked about this to freaking death on this show. But it's like, who knows if you know? I don't know if. I don't know if having a magic pill is gonna fix everything. It's. It's. It's a little bit of a balancing act, but. What's your name again?

[Billy]

Chudley.

[Ken]

Chudley. Well, I. Tell me about yourself, Chudley. What's going. Who are you? Who are you, Chudley?

[Billy]

Well, I guess currently, I don't know how I would describe myself. I work in an er. I want to go into medicine. I'm applying to medical school. So that's the plan, but my work kind of. I don't know if you've ever worked a job or kind of been in, like, a field where you're like, this is what I want to get into. Like, I know you've talked about doing film and comedy, and then you actually see, like, the nitty gritty of it, like the, I guess, for lack of better words, the blood and guts, and you're like, oh, fuck, is this really what I'm cut out to do? Like, am I really. Am I going to do this for the rest of my life? That's kind of where I'm at right now. It's not. I know, I know you've been talking about, like, the existential dread a lot lately, but, like, it's. That's how it feels. Unfortunately. I feel like that's the epitome of kind of what I'm dealing with right now. I'm not like that weird, liminal, like, do I keep going through this or do I just drop everything and do something completely different?

[Ken]

So, yeah, yeah, no, you can Kit. You. You kind of can get. Get in your head an idea of, like, what a lifestyle is like or what a path is like. And then, right, you go and you actually see it and you're like, oh, fuck, I didn't know I had to, like, actually do things. That's a fucking bummer.

[Billy]

It's. It's crazy. I mean, I guess specifically New York. I'm like, you're always seeing, like, the craziest shit. That's, like, where you hear all the crazy stories. Like, I have so many stories. Like, it's actually so funny. Like, all this crazy that you see all the time. But then also, like, some of the doctors, and they just hate themselves. They just hate their jobs and they, like, hate themselves. They just. I feel like a lot of those people get into those professions and then it's like something you get too far into and you're like, well, it's like kind of a sunk cost fallacy. You're like, I'm already too deep in. I just have to keep pushing through.

[Ken]

Okay, what is it that makes you feel like these people hate themselves?

[Billy]

They speak so poorly of the job. Just in the sense of like. I'm like, you know, we have other people. I work with other people. I'm a scribe, so I'm like a glorified secretary. It's like, you just write down everything. You're just a conscience, conscientious, like, spectator. I don't touch anyone. I don't do anything. I'm just making the charts. So I'm like a quote unquote perspective, like, person for the field. So when I ask some of these docs, I'm like, hey, like, I'm super interested in doing this. I've had people blade. It's like, straight up, just tell me, like, no, don't do it. Like, this sucks. Like, do you see how tired I am? Do you see, like, all the crazy shit that's going on? It's not going to get any better. It's just getting worse. So they just have this, like, very distinct, like, oh, man. It's like. It's like a loathing for themselves, but also for the people around them. They just become horrible, horrible pieces of shit, which is, like, really. It's really hard to see because you're like, this is my doc. Like, this is a potential person that I could see, like, when I'm in pain or, like, when I'm, like, suffering at my lowest. And they just hate themselves so much. Yeah, so that's. That's a. That's kind of a trippy thing to think about. I don't know, because I'm only speaking for my emergency, like, from where I'm at. So I don't know if that's more of a widespread kind of systemic thing, but I would assume everyone's got the same going on everywhere, so it's probably similar at different places.

[Ken]

How old are these doctors? These are, like, you know, like, people in their, like, 50s and 40s.

[Billy]

No, you'd be surprised. Some of them are, like. I'm not, like, super privy to, like, exactly how old they are, but some of them are maybe mid-30s, early-40s. Most of the older guys there that are, like, in their 50s have kind of. I feel like that's, like, what they wanted to do, but it's also. Maybe they kind of just swallowed their pride and they're like, it, whatever. Like, I'm already doing this. And I hate to villainize the entire career because I feel like the way that I'm speaking about it is very, like, reductionary. Because on the flip side, you have people who are super, like, altruistic who, like, will go, like, spend 30 minutes with someone when they really only need to spend, like, five minutes with them. And that's like, you know, I can't speak to the entire profession. Like, I don't want to taint the entire. I'm just speaking from my own personal experiences, my grievances. And I'm like, man, this sucks. Like, we have a lot of people here who. English isn't their first language. So that also comes into play a lot, too, where a lot of these providers just become like super bitter. They're like, oh, you don't speak English? All right, cool, we're going to see the next person. And I'm like, what the fuck? Like, that's crazy. Like, just because they don't speak your English, it's like you're just going to fucking skip them. Like, it's nuts. It's this crazy stuff that goes on.

[Ken]

All the time that's really crazy. And so you're right now you're a scribe and like all these people that you're seeing in the ER who like fucking hate themselves, you're over here like, oh, no, if I keep going down this road, I'm going to turn into one of these people who hate themselves.

[Billy]

That is 100% my fear. Like currently as it stands, I'm like, that is my fear. Like, because I'm so. I also see myself as like this naive, like 24 year old. I'm like, dude, I'm so like fresh and young and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna change the world. Like, I'm gonna do all these things and. But I don't know what I'm gonna be like 20 years from now. Like, I talked to my therapist about that all the time. I'm like, dude, this is like, that's my existential dread. That is what I'm so concerned about is that the pressures of the job or whatever the other external factors are. These people might have just looked just like me when they were my age, but now, 20 years down the line, they're like a completely different person because they've just been, you know, day in, day out, exposed to all this crap. So that's, that's, that's a big fear of mine for sure. It's like, yeah, I don't know how to control that. There's no way that it's like trying to control the future.

[Ken]

What did your therapists have to say about that? I'm curious.

[Billy]

It's actually really interesting because I, I have two therapists. Not because, not for any particular reason, but I have a therapist that I've had for like the last like four years and she's not covered by my insurance. But then the other one is. So I just have two by chance. But anyways, one of them goes down. The physiological kind of logic behind it of like, you know, once you get 25, 26, your brain kind of stops, like making new neural pathways. So the person that you are at like 25, 26 is most likely the person that you're going to be 20, 30, 40 years down the line sucks. I know, right? That's like. It's. It's like, like, well, okay, it kind of puts you in a box, but then, right. My. My other therapist kind of goes down this more, like, holistic, like, spiritual route of, like, well, all of the experiences and everything that you've, like, lived throughout your life to get to where you are now. I have, like, made you the person that you are today. And that doesn't necessarily dictate what's going to happen 20, 30 years down the line because you have this, like. I'm not trying to speak, like, to my ego or anything, but I really do genuinely, genuinely feel like I'm a decent human being. Like, I actually try to, like, go above and beyond, specifically in this setting. Like, if someone. A lot of times we have Spanish speakers. I'm bilingual, so I'll try to help as much as possible. And I'm, like, spending extra time with them when I'm not supposed to. Like, I've actually gotten in trouble for spending more time with them, which I'm like, that's so stupid. Like, why am I getting in trouble? Because I'm helping these people. So I say that because I. I agree with the holistic therapist kind of perspective of, like, if I don't want to become those people 20, 40, whatever years down the line, I won't, because I'll just keep coming back to the crux of who I am. And they always speak about, like, you're developing your principles now. Like, what are your principles that you can't. Like, certain things that you can't sway. Those are going to be things that are going to be, you know, further down the line. Like, I won't be able to compromise on these things. And then those are just going to dictate, like, your relationships, your workplace relationships, and then even just, like, your beliefs. Like, so I don't know. That's. I lean into that more. I hope that that's. I stay true to who I am. So that's the plan. But, yeah, I'm sorry, I hate to get, like, all spiritual and deep with you. I feel like. No, I love those conversations.

[Ken]

Get, Get. Get spiritual and deep. Get spiritual and deep. It's all. It's. Yeah. The therapy gecko has. Has slowly become therapy for the gecko. So it's interesting to hear. Hear other people's perspectives on these. On these things.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Ken]

Yeah, I'm trying to. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.

[Billy]

I'm sorry, I was Just gonna say that when I first started listening to you, it's actually really funny. It's a funny story that I had always wanted to tell you. So I. I started listening to you in 2021, I think, and I was right. So I was kind of going through like a relationship breakup. And then my dogs, both my dogs had just died. And I was like, so distraught that I couldn't even listen to music. And I was like, dude, I have to do something. Because every time I got in my car I was like crying. And I literally was like, I think I was on TikTok or something. I saw you pop up and I was like, let me just listen to him. And you were literally the only thing that was like. I don't know what it was like, I mean, you're awesome. You're fantastic. But like, something about, like hearing about other people's stories, like, was able to just calm me down. I was like, oh my God, I'm so distraught about all this stuff. But somehow hearing about other people's plights kind of made me feel like, okay, I'm not the only person in this world who's like, you know, suffering or feeling like shitty. Like kind of like that collective, like, okay, yeah, we're all. No one is perfect. Like, we're all just kind of all in this together.

[Ken]

So interesting.

[Billy]

I retrospectively thank you for that. Like, retroactively.

[Ken]

Sure, man. For sure. For sure. It's funny, cuz. It's funny to hear you say that because I've been. Yeah. Lately. For me to calm down, I listen. I'll either. I like to listen to things that have, like, nothing to do with real life. Like, I'm listening to. I'm listening to a lot of old cometown episodes.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Ken]

I'm listening to a lot of, like, ranking all of the appearances of Waluigi in the Mario party games. Like, just shit that has nothing to do with anything. It's. I guess it's interesting to me that when you're feeling down, you want to listen to other people, other things that are like, lifey, you know, because it helps feel less alone. Yeah. Instead of like. Instead of just like tuning completely out.

[Billy]

It'S. Yeah. No, I don't know. I don't. I. I wonder if it's like feeding. Like sometimes I feel kind of like, weird about it. I'm like, am I feeding it kind of like what you spoke about a couple episodes ago? You're like, oh, if I'm like, constantly telling myself that I'm like, depressed or that If I have these things, then it's just going to become the identity that I live. That's like. Sometimes my concern is I'm like, if I keep listening to this, am I just going to keep reinforcing these thought patterns? But then you also the on the flip side of it too. I feel like you also have that self awareness to know like, oh, I'm already thinking about this so it can't be my reality because I know both sides of it now. So I can kind of like stop it. I know it's like you can split hairs. You can just split hairs infinitely with this.

[Chudley]

It's.

[Billy]

It's. Yeah. So yeah, I don't. I try not to do that. And then I just, I do something like you said, like I watch all the. I'll watch old episodes of Come down or I'll do like what else do I watch? Watch queso feel like that it's kind of like branded content. You just kind of like turn your brain off and you're just like, oh man.

[Chudley]

So.

[Ken]

What was I gonna say to you? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, it's interesting. I feel that way too where I'm thinking like, okay, how do I. I don't want to hate myself in 20 years. I'm pretty young and I'm like, what decisions do I need to make today? And as the days go on to make it so that I don't, I don't hate myself. I see a lot of lately, I don't know if I talked about this on the podcast lately, but I've been meeting a lot of like old people, like older people who are happy this isn't meeting. But I hung out with my dad. My dad is 66 and I hung out with him the other week. I hung out with him and my uncle and my dad is like talking with my uncle about TV shows and he's joking around and he's making, you know, he's just like happy. He's just like seems happy and calm and he's in the moment, you know. And I thought that was. And then I hung out with like my friend's dad and he was making jokes and happy and calm and in the moment. And it's funny cuz my dad, my friend's dad, these people, like they like I'm sitting, I'm 27, I'm sitting over here like having existential dread and like afraid I'm gonna about like, you know, death or whatever. And it's like these older people that I'm meeting. I met this guy in An Uber. He was my Uber driver and he was like 60 something and I was just. And he was talking to me about how he's been driving Uber for 35 years and how he has like a 32 year old son and 30 year old daughter and they all live together. He's like just very happy. He was just talking to this very like happy guy about his family and his life. And it's funny cuz all these guys are like way closer to death than I am and they have way less fucking anxiety. Like they're just like. They're these, these like they're present, they're calm, they're chillin, they're living their lives. And I'm like how does, how did they get there where they're just like chillin. How do people get to that? Because it is like being alive. Being alive, being conscious is tremendously. If you. From a certain point of view and in the point of view that I think I've been like kind of locked into for the past couple months, is that like being alive is like a tremendously frightening thing. And yet we live in a world where people are able to just kind of handle it and be okay and watch the Bachelor and you know, take a shit and like be everything. Like be normal and calm. Which I think is actually the. What you're supposed to do is just be normal and calm. I don't know, I don't know how people get that. I don't know if, I don't know if that's like a medication thing. I don't know if that's a lifestyle thing. I don't know if that's. I don't know if some people just have it and some people don't. But yeah.

[Billy]

Yeah, you know, it's. I, it's so interesting that you say that because I was thinking about that a lot. I kind of grapple with mortality all the time too. About thinking exactly what you're talking about. Like especially in ER because you see people just die all the time.

[Ken]

Right.

[Billy]

But it's so strange because you're. Yeah. What you're saying too about like. I feel like the people who I see are like 75 and up, like usually older. They're so calm. And you know what the biggest. I don't know because this is super anecdotal. I have no like hard facts to back this, but it's like the support system, kind of like you're talking about with your dad and your uncle and I feel like they probably have a good support system. They probably have like a networking of, you know, they're always talking to people. When you see like families that have like, you know, they come in with their like 95 year old grandma and she's like just talking. She's super witty, she's super sharp. She's usually just like lives on her own or she lives other people. But it's just that I feel like it's that support system. It's like you're able to like talk to someone on a daily basis and then you see people who come in who are like 60 and they're like homeless unfortunately and they haven't talked to anyone in like a long time or whatever and they're just in these horrible, horrible conditions. I feel like it's just there's that like social somatic like, you know, you have like access to like exactly what you're talking about. So I don't know, that's, that's just kind of my guess. I do agree. I'm like, I think maybe it is the family stuff, maybe it is the lifestyle stuff, but I, Yeah, I don't know, it's. I always wonder that too because I'm.

[Ken]

Like you to like, you're 100% right. It's a, I think it's like a community thing and a social support thing.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Ken]

You know, and yeah, we lit. I like the modern world is like a little, it's. The modern world is very not conducive to that and so you kind of have to go out of your way to figure out how to create that if, you know, a lot of people are lucky enough that like community and support systems are just like just kind of naturally occur in their life through whatever it is they chose to do for a living or if they chose to have a family or you know, whatever. Some people aren't as lucky and they did. Shit doesn't naturally occur and they have to kind of go out chase it and look for it. But yeah, it's. What, you know, what's funny is. Yeah, the modern world, I think it has created a thing where it's been, yeah, sure, isolating. But also conversely has given us a lot of tools to break out of isolation. And yeah, we, I've talked about this. I think I've been talking about the same three things on this podcast for the past month. No, yeah, but it's. I don't know. They said they're, they're, they're the, they're the frequent things on my fucking mind. I, you know what would be awesome is I Hope somebody, I don't know, I hope maybe somebody listening to. Who listens to this podcast regularly is like taking whatever these same three fucking things I'm talking about on the podcast and you. Maybe I get an email from them and they're like, hey, I took those. I took those three things you were talking about on the podcast and I made these changes and I did these things and now my life is different. And I'll look at it and be like, oh, shit, I should do that too.

[Billy]

You know that you can make the therapy gecko. Like, you could sell like a master class. You could do like one of those. I would be like, I'm gonna facilitate your life.

[Ken]

No, I would feel extreme. I think I'd feel extremely uncomfortable doing, like, something like that. No, I'd feel very uncomfortable doing something like that. Although it is fun. Like, coaching is fun because you don't have to do anything. You just have to tell them, right. What to do. It's way easier.

[Billy]

Like, when have you ever heard of a client telling a personal coach that they're fucking up their life? Like, I feel like that's not. You just tell. You could tell them whatever you want. They're like, okay, cool, yeah, I'm gonna do it. And then if it's not happening, it's their fault. So.

[Ken]

No, there will. There will never be a therapy gecko course. If you saw. I think, I think. I think that you should. You should have public. You should have public photos of the quality of your room first before you sell a course. You know what I mean? Like, I think if people saw all the empty water bottles and half filled Diet Mountain Dew all over my fucking apartment, they would. They would not consider buying a course from me.

[Billy]

That's what the field of psychiatry says is like a bedroom is a window into someone's mind, is what they say. I don't know if it's true though.

[Ken]

But yeah, don't. Don't open that Diet Mountain Dew and look inside because it'll show you some. What's your name again?

[Billy]

Chudley.

[Ken]

Chudley. Chudley. It was nice talking to you. I hope you find whatever the fuck you're looking for in this crazy world.

[Billy]

Before we leave, can I tell you one er story? Because that was just. I just wanted to tell you something funny to kind of.

[Ken]

Yeah, please.

[Billy]

Even out the spirituality of it.

[Ken]

Yeah, please.

[Billy]

So, I mean, you probably know people. People put stuff in their butt. It happens pretty frequently. Sure. I think any orifice that someone has, you can do that. So we've had a Had a unnamed gentleman come in several times because he's gotten something stuck in his butt. The first time, it was a brute shaving cream bottle. I don't know if you're familiar with those. Like, it's like a green bottle with a very long stem. It's. It's pretty sizable. Like, when you see it on the extra. You're like, how the did he get. Like, I had no. I had no idea. And he walked in, totally normal. You could have just seen this guy walking on the sidewalk, and you. You would not have known. But he comes in, says that he tripped and fell and that it went up his way. They're like, all right, we're not gonna question you anymore. And then, like, a couple weeks later, dude comes back in, same MO and this time it was a. Like, a suave shampoo bottle, which was like, almost twice the size of this thing. And even then. Then I denied. Deny. He was like, I think a friend put it up here. Like, I'm not sure how it got up there. And that one was so far that he actually had to get surgery to get that one out, so. And that. That happens all the time, you see? I see the dude put a glass weed pipe up his butt, and then he sat down. It broke. I've seen. Yeah, that one was horrible, too. And that one, he also said a friend. They never. I get it. I understand. It's a very vulnerable. They're trying to help you. But I'm like, you really. Like, you're in this position. You don't want to just fess up to it. Like, I. I get it. But he's like, no, man. Like, someone. I was asleep, and someone put it in my butt, and, like, I just. I didn't know. I just didn't wake up.

[Ken]

No. At that point, it's just like, no, I put this in my ass. Sorry that you have to now be here.

[Billy]

That. Yeah, I know. I get it. I'm just like, I get it, dude. I get it. Like. But just come on, dude. Carrot. We've seen that. Seen a couple vegetables.

[Ken]

Carrots. Not that bad. Those are biodegradable. Right?

[Billy]

Right.

[Ken]

What do you do with the carrot after you take it out of a guy's ass?

[Billy]

That's a very good question, because I asked after the shampoo bottle and the shaving cream, I was like, did you give it back to him? Because it was full. You could see in the X ray that there was still, like, opaque. Like, there was still something in it. Like, it wasn't just the bottle. They take it. They. It's considered bio. It's considered a biohazard, and they throw it away.

[Ken]

Whoa.

[Billy]

Yeah. So you don't get to keep any of that. You don't. Even if you get, like. I don't know if you've ever heard this, but if you get your leg cut off, your arm cut off, you don't get to keep it. They. They like, if you keep it or if you try to keep it, it's a crime. I don't remember what the exact crime is, but they will, like, literally just throw it away. And you can't. You can't request it. Yeah. Sometimes even your teeth. Sometimes some like, I don't know what it is with certain dental procedures, but you're not even allowed to, like, keep your. Your own teeth, which is the craziest thing to me.

[Ken]

But where is there just, like, a bin in the hospital where, like, they just have a bunch of legs?

[Billy]

I mean, at least at ours, I don't know, we have, like, incinerators and shit. I don't really. I don't think we do amputations at my hospital. It's pretty small, but when they do, I'm pretty sure they just throwing in an incinerator and it's just from dust to dirt, like, you go back to the earth, I guess. I don't know. Or sometimes there's a whole other rabbit hole. But they have that illegal body exchange. They have, like, this whole black market. Harvard got in trouble for it recently for selling cadavers, like, dead people to, like, the military and to, like, other unfacilitated, like, medical facilities. They were making stupid money off of it. It was crazy. They were just taking dead people and just selling them for, like, hundreds of hundreds of dollars. Like, it was the nuttiest thing to think about.

[Lyle]

So.

[Ken]

Well, look, when I die, I mean, I don't. I'm not gonna need my arms and legs anymore. So you can take them. Anyone can have them if they want them.

[Billy]

I told my family to shine. I want to be shot to about, I don't know, 50 to 100 pounds of fireworks, and I just want to be placed in, like, a public setting. Yeah. Launched office fireworks. Yeah. Yeah, that's the way I want to go.

[Ken]

What's your name again, sir?

[Billy]

Chudley.

[Ken]

Chudley. Is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?

[Billy]

If you ever go to the emergency room and you want to be seen super fast. This is so unethical, but if you really do want to be seen really fast. Tell them you can't breathe or tell them that you have a cardiac history and you will be seen asap, even if it's a bullshit complaint. But you did not hear that from me.

[Ken]

Pretty good. Pretty good. I'm glad. I'm glad somebody got something out of this podcast. Hopefully.

[Billy]

Yeah, I hope so.

[Ken]

Take care, Chudley. Thank you.

[Billy]

Thanks Gak.

[Gecko]

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[Ken]

What'S up, man? How you doing?

[Lyle]

Pretty good.

[Billy]

How are you?

[Ken]

I am hanging in there. I'm trying my best to be alive as a human being on the planet. What's up, brother? What is it that made you want to call into my little gecko show today?

[Lyle]

I've been listening to you for a long time and tried to call about a bunch of random before, but I don't know, lately I just went through some at work and I worked for my girlfriend's parents, but now I'm looking for a new job and it's terrible.

[Ken]

What kind of went on at the job with your girlfriend's parents?

[Billy]

I.

[Lyle]

Day after St. Patrick's Day, I tried to call out of work and there's like a big old mess and they docked my pay, so.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Ken]

Did you get too fucked up on St. Patrick's Day?

[Lyle]

Oh, yeah, I was drinking all.

[Ken]

Well, I mean. Well, I mean. I mean, look, I mean, I mean, you know, come on.

[Lyle]

Yeah, fair enough.

[Billy]

Fair enough.

[Lyle]

I didn't expect my pay to get docked, but I did expect, like, you know, for it to be some trouble.

[Ken]

Well, I mean. Yeah. What? Well, you wanted to get like. Well, do I. You have like, PTO or something?

[Lyle]

No, I don't.

[Joe]

I don't have any of that.

[Lyle]

I don't got benefits or nothing. I'm doing like, construction and landscaping.

[Ken]

Wait, so wouldn't your pay obviously get docked if you didn't? If you don't go to work?

[Lyle]

No, no, I mean, like permanently and minus $3 an hour.

[Ken]

Oh, you pick up. Permanently docked.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Ken]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

Now I gotta find a new job.

[Ken]

And they were doing that as retaliation for calling out of work.

[Lyle]

Yeah, but the funny thing is I still went to work. So you attempted to call out.

[Ken]

You.

[Lyle]

Failed attempt.

[Ken]

You attempted to call out of work, and so then they got mad at you for trying to call out of work, so they docked your pay because you tried to call out of work.

[Lyle]

Yeah, it was a messy argument and then I threw in the towel, like, okay, fine, I'll go and. Yeah, yeah, it was rough.

[Ken]

Are you still with your girlfriend?

[Lyle]

Yeah, yeah, we've been together coming up six years.

[Ken]

Okay, but so are you still in the job or did you quit and now you're looking for new shit?

[Lyle]

I'm currently wiping grout off of tile, so I'm still. I'm looking, but yeah, I'm kind of stuck at the moment.

[Ken]

Did this, like, damage your relationship with your girlfriend's parents.

[Billy]

For, like, for a couple weeks?

[Lyle]

Things seem normal now, but obviously I'm not happy slaving away for, you know, all that less money.

[Ken]

Yeah, yeah. What? Is your girlfriend. Is your girlfriend on your side with this? Or is she like, yeah, you up?

[Billy]

I don't know.

[Lyle]

She's kind of in between. She's like, it's, you know, your fault because it would have never happened. But she agrees that it's stupid.

[Ken]

Yeah. What kind of job are you trying to get outside of this?

[Lyle]

Well, I guess what I'm on the fence on right now. The plan was to go into plumbing and. But no plumbing apprenticeships are hitting me back now. I don't know if I should, like, try to, you know, get like a serving job and just wait out the summer or. I have no idea. I'm living on an island right now.

[Ken]

You live on an island? What island?

[Lyle]

Tybee Island.

[Ken]

Tybee Island. I'm gonna. Okay, wait. I'm gonna fucking. We're pulling out the maps. We're pulling out maps.

[Lyle]

I hope nobody on the island knows your show.

[Ken]

Hold on. Okay, what is it called?

[Lyle]

Tybee Island.

[Ken]

T Y B E E. Oh, T Y B E. Tybee Island. Georgia. Oh, shit. I don't know. Georgia had a fucking island. Oh, shit. Yeah.

[Lyle]

Every time.

[Ken]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. All right. You're right outside of Savannah. Hold on.

[Billy]

Oh, yeah.

[Ken]

Island. Is this really an island? This isn't really an island. There's like a. It's connected to land, right?

[Lyle]

Well, it appears that way, but when the tide comes up, you can only get to the island through the man made road.

[Ken]

Is this like. I've never heard of this fucking place. This is interesting. Is this like Like a beach town where people who like Savannah folks, like, go to fucking go on vacation?

[Lyle]

Yeah, exactly. People from all over the world actually end up here. I met a lot of crazy people.

[Ken]

Cool. Are you trying to stay on Tybee Island?

[Lyle]

I'm staying till September. It's really expensive to live out here, so we're gonna move into Savannah.

[Ken]

So Tybee Island's more expensive than Savannah? Like living in the proper city?

[Lyle]

Yeah, yeah, much more expensive. It's like, dominated by short term vacation rentals, so the housing market's pretty rough.

[Ken]

Interesting, interesting. How's. What's the cost of living like in Savannah?

[Chudley]

It's.

[Lyle]

I mean, it's. It's not terrible. It's hard to find a good place because of, you know, it's like a college town and all that, but you can find a good spot if you. If you wait around for it.

[Ken]

You live on an island in Georgia. I mean, look, if you're thinking about going into the services industry, I'll say this. I mean, I've never been a waiter, a bartender, or anything like that. By friends who have. And I mean, if you're doing it for a summer. I have a friend, he was. He fucking, like, hated his life and his job and everything. And he moved to Rehoboth beach to be a server over there, and now he's, like, killing it. He has all these, like, fucking other, like, server friends and he's like, in the whole restaurant industry and the. The. The community and whatnot. So I don't have firsthand experience being a server at a, like in a beach town or whatever. But it's. What are you doing now? You're scraping grout off of a.

[Lyle]

Yes. Off of tile.

[Ken]

Off a tile. I mean, I. Look, I don't know what kind of person you are. I don't know what. What makes you tick. But like, at least I guess with the server, with the service industry stuff, like, you get to be like, people facing, you know, you're working with other folks, you're outside of the clo. Closed knit of your girlfriend's parents and shit. You know, I feel like if you're in. If you want, like, you know, if you want to be a little rascal, that's the better place to do it.

[Lyle]

Yeah. Well, my boss is pulling up right now. Nice talking to you.

[Billy]

I will call again.

[Ken]

All right, cool, man. Well, good luck. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

[Lyle]

Thank you, Lyle.

[Ken]

Take care, bro.

[Billy]

Bye.

[Ken]

I don't know. I've never. I haven't. I never worked as A bartender. But I, every once in a while here in New York, every once in a while, when I get bored, I volunteer at my friend's comedy club, Shout out sesh comedy. Every once in a while when I get bored, I go down there and I'll sling, I'll sling beers for him. And it's, it's, it's kind of fun to like, like have a. I mean, it's so funny because that's what I do with this podcast. But it's kind of fun to have like forced social interaction where like people have to talk to you and, you know, the, the, the parameters of the social interaction are predetermined. And it's like, it's good to have something to do with your fucking hands, right? Like after living in like the crazy abyss, just having someone be like, hello, I would like to buy a beer. And I go, hey man, how you doing? I'm doing good. Can I get this beer? And I go, yes. And then I go, and I get them the beer and they go, thanks. I don't know, something about that that felt very. Makes you feel present in what you're doing. I guess that's why fucking diner dash is so popular. I don't know. I don't know what I'm fucking talking about. But yeah, it's fun, it's fun. It's a, it's a fun thing, I think. I don't know, it sounds, it's a bet if, if, like, if you have to like get like a, you know, if you need a gig. I feel like that's probably better than like, you know, working out in a, in a field or anything like that, just to be around some people.

[Gecko]

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[Ken]

Hello.

[Billy]

Hello.

[Ken]

Hi. What's your name?

[Chudley]

My name is Billy.

[Ken]

Billy. What's up, Billy? How you doing? How's life?

[Chudley]

Lyle, it's so great to talk to you. I'm. I'm taking a break from doing taxes at the moment.

[Ken]

Ooh. Yeah. Tax season's coming up. Tax season's coming up.

[Joe]

It is.

[Chudley]

I'm very nervous. It's the first time I'm, I'm doing it. But I have a, I have a couple things that I want to talk to you about, if that's okay.

[Ken]

Yeah, let's do it. Hit me.

[Chudley]

Yeah. So I have, we can, we can either go with. So I used to be a bouncer on Broadway in Nashville and I have some interesting stories that I could tell you. Or, or I am starting a. I can tell you about. I'm starting a touring fan activations company. Like a touring fan engagement company. Like go on the road with different artists and stuff.

[Ken]

A touring fan activation company. Let's do the self promo at the end. Well, yeah, go ahead. You have a story about.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ken]

Working at Nash. Working on Broadway. Broadway.

[Billy]

I do.

[Ken]

I have a place. Yeah. I'm curious what kind of characters you run into.

[Chudley]

So I'm not going to mention the bar that I used to work at, but I used to work night shifts and I used to go in starting at like 5:30 and then I'd go and work until like 3 in the morning and then I have to walk, to walk back to this really sketchy parking garage. I mean it wasn't sketchy, but it's like a couple blocks away and you gotta walk past like some, some people that are out at three in the morning and I'd rather not do that. So I don't work there anymore. But there was, I'll tell you one story. So we ended up. It was one of my first days there and one of. There was, it was late at night and one of the, there were some girls coming in. And so I'm standing at the front door at this place and then my co worker who is also a bouncer was standing next to me and there are these girls that are coming in and she just pulled something out of her purse and just hands it to him and just says, shh. And I'm like, okay, you know what the going on here? And he's just like, he tells me the story. He looks at it, tells me a story later about what it is. And he's like, she just handed me a picture of, of her like a photo booth reel of her topless and just walked away. And like, she didn't even leave him her number or anything, but it's just like full titties and everything. And like, didn't even, didn't even go in, try to do anything afterwards. It was just like, like, why are you giving me this here? And then also it's just like my, my thought I was just like, do you just walk around with pictures of, of yourself? Just, do you just carry that in your purse and just walk around and like hand them out to people? Like, I don't even think she was probably most likely a Taurus. Like, there was no, she didn't even write any like, only fans or anything on there. It was just, it was, it was there.

[Ken]

I, I respect that. She's doing it for the love of the game.

[Chudley]

She definitely. Of the game.

[Ken]

Yeah. And then also it's kind of like, like how the joker leaves his like, calling card, you know? You know what I mean? It's a little bit like that little.

[Chudley]

Batman and Robin action.

[Ken]

That's pretty sweet.

[Chudley]

Yeah, so I have that. What else was there? So a co worker was walking back to the parking garage at 3 in the morning. Well, late at night. And some random dudes followed him and like, jumped in, like almost jumped him. They pulled up in the van and almost got out and you know, said, hey, get in the van. But he ended up running and just diving into one of the, the parking garages and they were chasing after him and stuff. But, you know, it comes, it comes with the territory and being in Nashville, I guess. So I don't know. But yeah, so there's, there's that. And I'm trying to think of some other interesting stories at this particular bar that I worked at. So I don't, I don't particularly drink alcohol. However, at the, at the bar that I worked at, they would give you a free shift drink. A free shift drink after each. Each shift. So you get done at three in the morning and then you get a free beer. Whatever. It's just, I don't know, it's not, not particularly my thing. Like, it might be some people's, it's not mine, but I don't know I have something. I can't think of any other interesting, interesting stories from there, but.

[Ken]

Did you ever get any fights? Did you ever get up?

[Chudley]

Oh, I had a couple people try to fight me. Like, and it was mostly. And whoever's listening to this, like, nothing against Irish people. Like, I. My. You know, it's. I got. I'm so fortunate. I got to meet, like, everyone from all across the world. Like, I got to meet some dude from Japan who didn't even speak English. Like, it was so cool. You know, I met people from Russia and whatever, and, like. But the only people that have ever tried to fight me were from Ireland. Like, not even halfway drunk people either. They're just, like, pissed that they couldn't get in or whatever, or maybe they are, like, drunk or whatever. They just. Only people. And this is. This could be stereotyped. I'm not. Not at all trying to stereotype, but the only people who have ever tried to fight me on Broadway are people of Irish descent. But there's. There's Were also some really cool Irish people.

[Ken]

What's your build? Like, are you. Are you pretty jacked? Were you able to, like, if somebody did, like, step up to you, would you have been able to handle the situation?

[Chudley]

So that's the crazy thing, like, so. Well, to answer your question, no, I'm not, like, particularly jacked. I mean, I'm fit and I've. I've done martial arts, so, like, I can handle myself, which is the only reason why I decided to even take the job. I mean, because of that, and I just couldn't find a job. But no, the thing was that legally you can't even fight. You can't even fight them. It's like, you can't. At this particular bar, we. We didn't have any earpieces or any communication whatsoever. And, like, legally you can't, like, physically escort them out. Out of the bar. So they're already drunk, they're in a very loud environment, and, you know, you can't. You can't really do anything about it, which is so interesting. And it doesn't help with people, like, trying to, you know, trying to pick fights either, because. Because, you know, you just yell at people, say, hey, get out of here. And like, what. What are they going to do? Like, they're. They're. They're already on vacation, having a good time, whatever, which, like, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I love that. You know, I love to see people smile and have a good time and. And whatever. But when it comes to the point where you're just like being rowdy and whatever. And I don't know. But yeah, that's the thing. We can't even. We couldn't even physically escort people out of like, off the premises. And since we didn't have any communication, we couldn't really call anybody to help us either. And luckily I didn't run into a whole lot of terrible situations like that. But it was. There were. There were times where it was like, really close. Like there. There was this lady one time where it was her and her husband and they were just. They were being obnoxious and she was just kept blowing a bubble gun inside of the place that I worked at. I'm like, no, no, we can't keep doing this. And her husband got pissed. And, you know, I just kept. I kept saying, okay, well, you know, we need to get you out of here. Like, come on, come follow me. And they. They wouldn't listen. So I had to go and find. I had to leave the door and go find the co worker and say, hey, we need to get these people out of here. But I don't know, it was, it was. It was an interesting job. Like, I got to see and meet some really cool people. Aside from, like patrons, we would have people come in who had just played the Ryman. For anyone that doesn't know, the Ryman Auditorium is. It's right downtown. It's one of the most famous venues in Nashville and in. In country particularly. But we had a lot of interesting people just come in from the Ryman and then from. You know, from. From that. That area after they got done playing the shows to either just come hang out or if they wanted to do an extra set or whatever, then it was interesting to see, like, it was a really fun job, but just not one that I care to have anymore. It's just too dangerous. Got too sketchy for me.

[Ken]

What do you do now?

[Chudley]

So I do a lot of things, which is why I'm. I'm working on taxes. I do a lot of independent contract work, so I. I can't say too much, but I'm. I'm an assistant to an artist and we're working on a couple of things and that's all. That's all. I'll just leave it at that.

[Ken]

You work for Kendrick Lamar, don't you?

[Chudley]

Always. You know, I would love to work for Kendrick, honestly. Like, he's. I love him as a lyricist.

[Ken]

When did artists.

[Joe]

Like.

[Ken]

Somewhere. Somewhere along the line. When you say artist, you mean a musician, right?

[Chudley]

Yes.

[Ken]

When did somewhere along the line. I don't know. Like, we used to. It used to just be like, rapper or, like, singer, songwriter, or, like DJ or whatever, but now. And, like, when you. When you thought of artist, you. You always. It would always come to mind, like. Like someone who makes, like, visual art. And now artists.

[Chudley]

Yeah, like. Like a Bob Ross type.

[Ken]

Yeah, yeah, like a Bob Ross type. And that was kind of what it meant up until I swear on my life, like, in the last, like, five years. Artists. Now. Now artists, more often than not means a musician of some kind. Like, it used to mean, like, when you said an artist, you thought like a Pablo Picasso or, like, a fucking. Like, someone who makes like, like, physical art of some kind. But now. Now it almost unanimously goes to mean a musician of some kind. Why do you think. Why do you think that switch happened?

[Chudley]

Well, I'm gonna. You know what? You may hate me for this, but I'm gonna turn the question back on you. Since, like, art, do. Do comedians consider themselves artists? Because it kind of is an art form. It most definitely is an art form.

[Ken]

No, comedians do not consider themselves artists. And if they did, they would get made fun of.

[Chudley]

Okay, I could see that. All right. But to answer your question, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know when that would. That's an interesting point. Like, when would it have turned from, like, hey, I'm just a performer to, you know, being an artist? But I don't. I don't know. That's. That's interesting. I never really thought about it that way. That's cool, though.

[Ken]

So you do. What do you. What is it that you were saying earlier? You do, like, a thing with touring with the people?

[Chudley]

Yeah, well, yeah, so I'm starting a. A touring fan engagement company. Because when I say I, the term is activations. So which is which? I'm gonna. I'm gonna rephrase it to fan engagement because it just means it's just easier to explain.

[Ken]

So inactivation is when, like, the monster energy truck comes to campus and gives out monster energy.

[Chudley]

Yes, exactly. And the reason why I phrase it like that is that, you know, people. When I go to explain it, like, people don't understand what it is and that, like, I didn't understand what it is. I didn't come into this understanding, like, hey, this is what inactivation is. Like, I had to be explained to some. Like, I sat down with someone, they were just like, oh, well, you're looking to do activations. I'm like, what the hell is an activation? And so I was just looking it up. So yeah, so I'm starting a company where I am going. The idea is to go on tour with different artists and to interact with their general mission fans through just different activations, like different games, different surprise merch giveaways, you know, just different interesting, like cool things. And it's all curated like directly to the artist and their fan base because they're not going, you know, you're not going to be interacting with, let's say Jimmy Buffett's fans. You're not going to be interacting with his fans the same way that you would with like, I don't know, like, I don't know, Pink Floyd's fans or whatever, like something like that. So it's all curated directly to the artists and their fan base as to like what they want to do. And it's all pre show. It's, it's pre show because you have. So think about it like you have doors that open typically, like so you as. I don't know if this is how it works for comedy, but like for artists typically they'll get in, you know, around like an hour to a couple hours before doors open so that they can go in for sound check and set up and do everything and. But doors will open at like, let's say the show's at 8, doors open at 6. So they, they all have from 6 until 8 o'clock to either find their seat to sit and figure out what they're doing and then, you know, you find your seat. And I'm not necessarily an antisocial person, but I'm like, I don't want to talk to the person that I'm sitting next to if I didn't come with them. But so like you have, there's, there's a missed marketing opportunity in my opinion, to where you can just get two hours of, you know, and you have two hours that you're missing in between when doors open and then when the actual show actually starts.

[Ken]

Marketing. What, what are we, what are we supposed to market is?

[Chudley]

Well, I mean, it's not necessarily. It's marketing in the sense that you are just strengthening your fan base. I'm not saying you like this totally. I promise you this is not a pitch. Like I just wanted to come here and just explain it. The like you're, it would be your fan base, your, your marketing. Like let's say you have an album release and whatever and you're, you're solely doing something for that album release. Like a, I don't know, you have like a song or something that you really want to push, but it's, it's kind of, you know, you're really trying to get it out there. You know, you do stuff based on that, that, that album or the, the song. So if you wanted to look at it from like a marketing standpoint, then that's, that's what you would do. But from like a fan engagement standpoint, you're just looking to just connect all the fans and everything.

[Ken]

Wait, wait. Okay, so hold on, hold on, hold on. Here, hold on. Here. What's your name?

[Chudley]

Yeah, my name's Billy.

[Ken]

Billy. I gotta be honest with you. So what, so what the hell are you actually talking about? What are you, what are you supposed to, what are you supposed to be doing during this time? What is the marketing opportunity? What are we, what are we doing is.

[Chudley]

So the marketing opportunity is to, for fans to just interact with. So I would be an extension of the artist and the marketing opportunity is to just connect with general mission fans so that it's like on, on so like pre show.

[Ken]

Okay, so, so the, the idea is like, all right, so if I have my live show and the doors open at 7, but the show is at 8. I just, I just chat with people from 7 to 8.

[Chudley]

No, no, no, no. That's where I come in. Because you have. I'm saying, you know, as, as the artist. We'll just say the artist. The artist is getting ready, being like prepping for the show, just getting ready in the green room, you know, just doing their thing. They don't want to, it's not that they don't want to deal with everybody beforehand, but like, so what are, so.

[Ken]

What are you, what are you supposed to do as an extension of the, of the artist?

[Chudley]

Yeah, so I play games with. I play predetermined games with the general admission fan base that like at the show. Does this, does this make sense?

[Ken]

You're like a pre show jester?

[Chudley]

Yeah, sure, if you want to put it that way.

[Ken]

That makes. So that makes some sense. That makes some sense.

[Chudley]

Yeah.

[Ken]

What's. Yeah, okay. That makes some sense. Would you. You play. So you play games with. So. Alright, so let's say the fans are going to go see the. I don't. Why, why can't I name a single band? Alright, let's say we're going to go see the Great Dead and we're there two hours early. You come over and you start playing Grateful Dead themed games with us.

[Chudley]

Yes.

[Ken]

Okay, that's Fun. I like that. I could work.

[Chudley]

Yeah.

[Ken]

Can we, I mean, can we win prizes?

[Chudley]

Yeah. So that's, that's exactly what it is. So you go. And it's all predetermined. Like, I would work on the, like with artists and their team to then go and say, hey, you know, this is what we know. You have a show coming up on XYZ date, right? And then it's like, well, we have preset giveaways and you know, like, different. I, I have a. If you've ever seen one of them spinning wheel things, like the colorful spinning wheel things. I have one of them with like the whiteboard things. Well, right on it.

[Ken]

Well, Bill. Well, Billy, look. Well, I'll say this is. I think if you can. If I, like, if I were on the Shark Tank, right, and you were pitching me this idea, I would say something like, you know. Well, I normally. See, here's the thing is this is already. Normally when people arrive early to a show, they already have a thing that they do, which is they get really drunk. Also, I'll say this, Billy, I'll say this before we go is if you can come up with an idea for a pre show thing that is more fun than getting really drunk, then you got yourself a good idea on your hands.

[Chudley]

Cool.

[Ken]

But I, I, but I, you know, I wish you good luck with this idea. I wish you good luck with this idea.

[Chudley]

Thank you.

[Ken]

Is there, is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?

[Chudley]

Not to the computer. I do have a quick question for you though.

[Ken]

Yeah, please hit me.

[Chudley]

So for the longest time I've been trying to figure. And if you can't say, then that's fine. For the longest time I've been trying to figure out what the background music is with the flute. Is that, is that a no go topic? Is that a no go topic?

[Ken]

If you go as a music guy, if you go to YouTube and you search royalty free jazz music, it's one of those. That's what I did.

[Chudley]

Okay.

[Ken]

So I went to.

[Joe]

I will take a look.

[Ken]

Royalty free jazz music. And so it's one of those. It's one of those.

[Chudley]

Cool. Awesome. All right, cool. Thanks, Lyle. I really appreciate you.

[Ken]

Of course. Take care, Billy. Bye. Bye.

[Chudley]

Have a good one. Bye.

[Ken]

That's an interesting idea. I hope he makes it. I hope it works. Maybe that's funny. Maybe next, maybe next year when you go to a therapy gecko show, Billy will be out there juggling and playing tic tac toe with everyone. And Everyone will be like, you know what? This is actually a pretty good idea. Hello, folks, it's Lyle here. That's the end of this episode. But get this. I'm releasing a bonus episode this week. That's right, an entire extra hour of the podcast that you can listen to by becoming a premium member of of Therapy gecko over at therapygecko.supercast.com Supercast subscribers get access to bonus episodes. They get a completely ad free podcast feed of the regular show. They get recordings from my live shows members only streams, and they help support my ability to continue doing this podcast. So here's a clip from this week's members only bonus episode. To be 19 and fucking. Like, why are you. Why are you financially supporting this person?

[Chudley]

I completely love her to death.

[Ken]

Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna. I'm just gonna tell you a bunch of stuff. I'm just gonna rant at you for a second, okay? You gotta, at a certain point, be able to protect your own peace, right? Because you're just. You're only fucking 19 and she's only fucking 19. And it's great that you love each other, but you both have to, like, figure out your own shit before you try to, you know, support somebody else, man. You have nothing to give. You can't give when you have nothing to give. If you want to hear this full conversation, you can sign up to become a premium [e-mail] or find the link in the episode description. That's therapygecko.supercast.com all right, I have nothing else to say.

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