“I WANT A SUBMISSIVE MAN”

Summary

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Therapy Gecko – “I WANT A SUBMISSIVE MAN”

Host: Lyle (iHeartPodcasts)
Date: November 2, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Therapy Gecko, Lyle (the unlicensed lizard psychologist) connects with callers dealing with relationship struggles, personal growth, the quest for meaningful connection, and modern life's digital malaise. The conversations focus on the intersection of kink and dating, addiction to technology, the search for self-love and authenticity, and philosophical debates about meaning and nihilism. As always, Lyle listens with a blend of humor, curiosity, and empathy.

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1. Presley: The Quest for a Submissive Man

[02:05 – 16:19]

Main Topic

Presley (Olivia), newly relocated from Utah to “the Valley,” seeks advice and commiseration on her difficulty finding sexually open, submissive men—specifically those open to pegging.

Key Points & Insights

• Relocation Frustrations: Presley laments that men in her new area are less open-minded about her sexual interests than those in Utah.
• Pegging and Stigma: She describes men recoiling at the idea—“That's gay, blah blah blah”—and feels judged for her desires.
• Dating Apps & Fet Communities:
  • She has tried both mainstream apps (Tinder) and kink-focused ones (FetLife), but with mixed results:
    • FetLife: “They're just like too... too much... Oh, you want to peg me? You could fist me too. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!” [04:35]
    • Tinder: Hard to find men who are sincere about submission without other hangups.
  • Lyle suggests the app “Field” and even attending bodybuilding competitions, referencing Presley’s ideal (“a bodybuilder, bisexual, Greek goddess, sculpted type man who just likes being a switch.” [10:33])
• Difficulty with Vulnerability: Presley shares a story about jokingly linking pegging to a man’s Navy background, resulting in being kicked out of his apartment. She reflects on boundaries and social misreadings.
• Search for Consistency in Hookups: She wants a steady, reliable sexual connection but faces recurring letdowns.
• Femininity & Masculinity: Presley is especially drawn to masculine men who will “bend over and let you fuck him in the ass,” and finds this difficulty as simultaneously frustrating and motivating.
• Cultural Factors: Presley notes that men in Salt Lake City seemed more experimental due to poly scenes, compared to “homophobic” attitudes in her new area.

Notable Quotes

• “If you’re on the basic dating apps, you’re going to get the basic men.”
  — Lyle [04:31]
• “I just want to be on top a little bit, you know?”
  — Presley [04:41]
• “It's good to yearn, I think... if you're yearning for nothing, you might as well be dead.”
  — Lyle [15:20]

Key Moment

• Presley contemplates “going back to dating women” because finding a pegging-positive man feels so daunting. However, she affirms: “It's just so hot to like top a man. Like a masculine man.” [15:02]

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2. David: Disconnection, Growth, and the Digital Malaise

[16:24 – 40:52]

Main Topic

David shares a personal journey of self-improvement and recovery, touching on sobriety, mental health, and digital detox. He and Lyle move into a philosophical exchange about distraction, contentment, and authenticity.

Key Points & Insights

• Quitting Alcohol & Vices: David proudly recounts quitting drinking in February, which catalyzed a domino effect: therapy, exercise, better eating, giving up vaping, and even reducing cannabis use.
  • “Quitting alcohol... had monumental effects on my life and the people around me...” [19:10]
• Realizations about Technology:
  • David removes Reddit and Instagram from his phone, observing the compulsive pull and resulting stress.
  • “It would be like 15 minutes of that, I turn it off and delete the app and get back to just like my world.” [21:28]
• Overwhelm from Global Awareness: Discussion about how constant connectivity exposes us to the “weight of the world,” which can be mentally crushing.
• Digital Minimalism Strategies:
  • Moves Instagram to a glitchy iPad, only accessing at home for intentional, infrequent use.
  • Feels less “consumed” by rage or stress.
• Connection & Self-Love: David describes a transformative road trip to the South Dakota Badlands, aided in part by psychedelics, where he has a breakthrough:
  • “I ended up finally being able to tell myself that I love myself.” [28:20]
• Desire for Authenticity:
  • David notes how anonymity online breeds hostility, but in real life, people are generally kind—“what the fuck is it that is making people so... [hostile]?”
  • Uses a “two dogs at a fence” analogy to explain the role of social media algorithms in fostering division.

Notable Quotes

• “Everything is either some means of survival or some means of taking you out of your own brain... you ideally are doing things that take you out of your brain that are healthy and not bad, in an ideal world. But you're always going to do the easiest thing, and the easiest thing is usually something fucking bad.”
  — Lyle [18:15]
• “Being out there, I almost saw myself, like, as one of those things that just kind of stood out and it... shifted my perspective of myself... It's okay to just be, like, weird and unique and whatever.”
  — David [26:45]

Key Moment

• Lyle and David agree on the paradox: online, people are often cruel; offline, most are kind and open (“99.999% of people are, like, cordial”). Anonymity and algorithms are identified as major forces distorting our social life.

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3. Brooke: Escaping the Grind & Social Media (Dis)Illusion

[44:21 – 65:30]

Main Topic

Brooke (using a pseudonym), reconnects with Lyle after several years. She candidly discusses her addiction to social media, quitting her once-beloved career, and her search for meaning as she moves to a ski town for a fresh start.

Key Points & Insights

• Physical & Emotional Troubles: Brooke opens by commiserating about her recent yeast infection, then shifts to more existential concerns.
• Career Burnout:
  • Studied graphic design, but after exposure to various sides of the industry—corporate, publication, freelance, and music—she’s grown to “despise graphic design.”
  • “It's just all fucked up and it's made me despise graphic design... I'm pretty sick of trying to do the, the grind, the grind mindset.” [48:22]
  • Drastically changes life by quitting, moving to a ski town, and taking service industry jobs for a “reset.”
• Social Media Reflections:
  • Candid about being “addicted” to Instagram, using tactics (installing on desktop instead of phone) to minimize compulsive use.
  • Discussed performative behaviors like “liking” posts selectively for social signaling.
  • “Curating your feed and stuff, I think is a fool’s errand.” — Lyle [55:57]
• Critique of Influencer Culture:
  • Clear-eyed skepticism about influencer aspirations: “She’d be recording us, like, going out to eat and being like, ‘come with me to try a new restaurant...’, and I'd be like, shut up...”
• Philosophy & YOLO/Nihilism:
  • Expresses disdain for the “we’re on a floating rock, nothing matters, YOLO” mentality: “It creates this—it doesn’t have any roots in reality... you should make choices that matter... it’s probably going to hurt you in the long run.” [58:35]
  • Prefers a practical determinism; believes everything happens for a reason, rejecting careless or present-tense-only approaches.

Notable Quotes

• “This does have repercussions… I feel like [YOLO] just devalues everything else around you. It’s a little bit selfish also.”
  — Brooke [62:08]
• “Social media kind of sucks ass. I mean, I have it to thank for the career I've been able to make... but I'd like to not be on it at all.”
  — Lyle [56:59]

Key Moment

• The episode closes with Brooke’s reflection on suffering through STDs and yeast infections—“You're there for me in my darkest moments”—and her heartfelt advice to listeners: “Spread love, show love, check up on your friends, drink some water, say hi to your grandma. Love you.” [65:18]

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4. Viewer Mail Segment

[69:21 – ~88:00]

Main Topics

Lyle reads and reacts to listener-submitted emails covering childhood travel stories, estranged family, life after loss, and philosophical debates about camouflage.

Notable Highlights

• Dylan’s Story:
  • Grew up traveling between Australia and Bali after his parents’ divorce; lost his mother, robbed by her partner, estranged from younger siblings.
  • Lyle encourages him to connect with his brothers: “You should reach out […] see how they're doing on Matebook or whatever they got in Australia.”
• Charlie’s Camouflage Conundrum:
  • Debates if leopard print jeans constitute camouflage—Lyle sides with “funky pattern” over functionality.
• Finn’s Self-Discovery:
  • Shares growth and confidence gained from studying abroad; emphasizes that “whatever you put out into the universe, you can often get back.”
• Chris/Republicus’ Slice-of-Life:
  • Lighthearted, rambling email from a truck driver/father, noting the value of mundane reality and family.

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5. Recurring Themes

• Desire for Authenticity: Across all callers, there’s a longing for real, vulnerable, upfront connection—whether in kink, friendship, or with oneself.
• Digital Detox & Distraction: Multiple guests describe exhaustion with the digital world, seeking strategies (device swapping, app deletion, digital minimalism) to be more present.
• CJlebration of the Small: Daily life, simple struggles (quitting vices, changing tires, yeast infections) are placed center stage, with sincerity and lightness.
• Critique of Modern Nihilism: The “nothing matters, YOLO” creed is heavily questioned as a consumerist, ungrounded ethos, with preference for purpose and impact.

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6. Memorable Quotes

• “It's almost a better thing for you to have [the fantasy] than actually having it… it keeps you going, keeps you hunting.” — Lyle to Presley [15:20]
• “Online, people are penises; in life, most people are just dudes.” — David paraphrased [34:38]
• “Curating your feed… is a fool’s errand.” — Lyle [55:57]
• “Everything is either some means of survival or some means of taking you out of your own brain… but you're always gonna do the easiest thing. And the easiest thing is usually… something fucking bad.” — Lyle [18:15]
• “I feel like I'm just a better version of myself when the phone is out of my hand.” — David [approx. 28:00]

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7. Closing Advice from Callers

• “Love y’all and stay freaky.” — Presley [16:13]
• “Drink water, call your mom and say some gratitudes in the mornings.” — David [40:40]
• “Spread love, show love, check up on your friends, drink some water, say hi to your grandma. Love you.” — Brooke [65:18]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Presley: Kink, dating, and yearning for a submissive man – [02:05–16:19]
• David: Addiction, healing, and digital minimalism – [16:24–40:52]
• Brooke: Career burnout, moving on, and the philosophy of meaning – [44:21–65:30]
• Viewer Mail: Listener stories and Gecko wisdom – [69:21–~88:00]

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Tone:
Casual, open, disarmingly candid, with a undertone of earnest curiosity and warmth—peppered by Lyle’s dry wit and the unflappable weirdness that defines Therapy Gecko.

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This episode is a tapestry of intimate, contemporary struggles: seeking sexual compatibility, shedding unhealthy habits, wrestling with existential angst, and the restless urge for something real. Through laughter and low-stakes philosophy, Therapy Gecko once again proves that we’re all just little creatures yearning for connection, sometimes in lizard suits, sometimes in jeans that might (or might not) be camo.

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Transcript

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[Presley]

Hello.

[Lyle]

What's your name?

[Presley]

I'm Olivia. Is this Lyle?

[Lyle]

This is Lyle. What's going on, Olivia? How's life?

[Presley]

Holy shit. Life is. It's been kind of shit right now, but you know, it's my day off and I've just been chilling, so I can't really complain too Much. How are you? Sorry.

[Lyle]

Oh, I'm okay. Why has it been shit.

[Presley]

Dating men is hard. And no man, no man that I've met is down for the sexual things that I want to do and blah, blah, blah. But we can certainly talk about that.

[Lyle]

We can certainly talk about that. If that's what you would rather talk about. It's up to you.

[Presley]

No, I don't know. Sorry. I genuinely just feel so caught off guard. I called you, like, I don't even know how many times. Damn.

[Lyle]

Are you. Are you crying right now or are you sick?

[Presley]

No, I'm done. I'm done crying. I just.

[Lyle]

Oh, sorry. I knew that you were crying. Okay. Were you crying before you called?

[Presley]

Yeah.

[David]

Okay.

[Presley]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

Okay. All right. So what's going on with these men?

[Presley]

I am into pegging, and I just moved down to the valley from Utah, and I have been having such a hard time, like, finding a guy who isn't just automatically like, oh, no. What the. Like, that's. That's gay. Blah, blah, blah. I would never. And it's just been annoying. And I don't understand why, like, at least the men down here. Down here just are open to that or, like, I don't know where to find men that are. That are open to that.

[Lyle]

Where have you been looking for these men?

[Presley]

Well, I mean, I've just been on the basic dating apps.

[Lyle]

Well, if you're on the basic dating apps, you're going to get the basic men.

[Presley]

Well, I tried, like, set lies, and that's creepy, and they're scary kind of. And like, I don't. They're just like, too. Too much like, oh, you want to peg me? You could fist me too. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Pump the brakes. I just want to be on top a little bit, you know?

[Lyle]

So you've tried. So you tried. So you've tried fet life. What about Field?

[Presley]

Field F?

[Lyle]

I think it's like a fd. I've never been on it, but I have friends who've talked about it as like a. Like a kink kind of dating app.

[Presley]

Yeah, I'll. I'll try it. The only success I've had was on seeking with, like, sub sugar daddies. But that's not really. I'm looking for. I don't know, I guess like a. Not a partner, like a boyfriend or whatever, but kind of like a more reliable with buddy that. Because, like, I'm so tired of trying to meet new people every time. I just wanna, you know, but then again, it's so hard. Like, I met this guy and he was super cool, and. And he literally talked about, like, being a sub on Tinder. And I went to his place and he had all this, like, Navy stuff, and, like, he was in the Navy. And I made a dumb joke and I was like, oh, is that why you're down to be tagged because you're in the Navy? And he kicked me out.

[Lyle]

What a loser.

[Presley]

That was. That was on me kind of.

[Lyle]

No, no, no, no, no. That guy. That. That's. That's so lame. What the fuck?

[Presley]

I kind of hit a little too close to home, I guess.

[Lyle]

First of all. First of all, I mean, Wait, hold on. Were you making a joke insulting the Navy, or were you making, like, a dad joke of, like, oh, you're in the Navy. That's why you like to be a sub, Like a submarine?

[Presley]

No, I was insulting the Navy.

[Lyle]

Oh, okay. I thought you were making a dad joke.

[David]

Yeah.

[Presley]

No, no. And I only say that because I was engaged to a man who has been in the Navy for the last 12 years. So I feel like I kind of can, but also, that's a little out of pocket, but whatever. He did not like it immediately. He was tired, and I had to.

[Lyle]

Go, what was your relationship like with the other Navy guy? Was he also a sub?

[Presley]

Maybe a little bit. Like, he was down to, like, do stuff in the shower. And, like, he would like to get his ass fingered every once in a while, you know, like, had any stuff. But that was really it. I loved him. We. I really was so serious about marrying him and starting a family, and we picked out a ring and all that, but he decided to sign another five year contract without talking to me about it. And we'd already made plans about, like, babies and just, like, settling down and him starting school. So I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna start a marriage when he's just already lying on huge life decisions like that.

[Lyle]

So when you're meeting the guys on, like, the regular dating apps, how. How soon do you bring up the pegging conversation?

[Presley]

I mean, not right away. Probably like a second or third hangout type of thing. For sure. It's hard, like, sometimes I haven't even brought it up, and I just could feel that he's not going to be down. And it's not like that huge of a deal, but, I mean, it is something like I want to, like, take turns, like, going, like, topping each other. I think that's hot. And that's something that I'm looking for. It just Feels so weird to be like, just go and ask that. Like, I don't know how to even start. Like, what do you think? How would you go about that?

[David]

Well, do you have any advice?

[Lyle]

Well, I don't know. I think, like, on the. From my perspective, like, if you're a woman on a dating app, like, if you start talking about, like, if you're a guy on a dating app and you start talking about sex immediately, that's of course, like, you know, an immediate red flag. Right. But I think if you're a woman on a dating app and you, like, put in your bio or something. I am looking for a man to peg. Like, obviously it's going to.

[Presley]

It's going to attract all the wrong type of people.

[Lyle]

It's. You're. You're right. It's going to attract all of the wrong type of people. 100% agree with you. But it. But if you filter out all those people, you'll at least, like, I think with it, there'll be like a needle in a haystack pretty much. Right. Because of all the, like, weird people that. That will attract at least one of them. You'll be like, all right, this person seems like a relatively normal human being.

[Presley]

That's fair. Yeah, that's a tactic, I guess. But I also don't want my face and, like, my name out there with, like, what if a co worker or like, someone saw. Like, I don't want that everyone to know that I want to peg men and, like, I'm looking for, like, masculine men. Like, I. The man who got me into it is like, very. He's like a bodybuilder, bisexual, Greek goddess, sculpted type man who just. It likes being a switch. And now I feel like I can't. There's no way to find that again. I don't know how.

[Lyle]

You could attend bodybuilding competitions.

[Presley]

Bodybuilding is. Yeah, you know, that's not a bad idea.

[David]

Good.

[Presley]

I'll try that website, too.

[Lyle]

How did, how did this. Well, how did you meet. How did you first meet this, like, bodybuilder guy?

[Presley]

It was during COVID up in Salt Lake, just on Tinder. He just happened to be one of the first few people I matched with when I moved up there. And he FaceTimed me right away and came and picked me up and was super cool. And I ended up moving in with him really quick and, like, we had a little poly relationship for a bit and it was fun and yeah, just Tinder. But Tinder down here in the valley is like, these men are weird. Like, I don't know, maybe I'm just not matching with the right people.

[Lyle]

What is it that you find so weird about them?

[Presley]

Every. They're just like homophobic. Like, they think that a woman having sex with a woman is gay. Even if it is.

[Lyle]

Like, I. Yeah, I was gonna say a woman having sex with a woman is definitely gay.

[Presley]

Oh, no, they think, I don't know, maybe being pegged by a woman is quote unquote gay to some people. But like, it still is. Like, you're not having sex with a man. You're still, like, it is still heterosexual. I don't understand. And I guess people, the men up in Utah are a little more open. Open minded.

[Lyle]

Mm.

[Presley]

And people down here.

[Lyle]

Why'd you move to the Valley?

[Presley]

Family. My family's just been going through a lot of.

[David]

Mm.

[Lyle]

How often are you, like going on dates and stuff.

[Presley]

Lately? Maybe like two or three a month. And I've been talking to a lot of people, but like, I feel like they just always fizzle out over the, you know, DMs on apps or text. So I don't know, it's. I feel like maybe I'm trying too hard to find like a certain type of, like, it's hard to match. Like. Yeah. I don't even know. I don't even know what I'm trying to say. I'm sorry, Geck. I feel like I'm being really bad conversationalist right now.

[Lyle]

No, I was going to say, well, you live in like kind of a rural area, so you're not going to have a lot of, you know, I mean, if you move to like, if you were in like New York or LA or Chicago, you'd be able to find a guy that will let you peg him within seconds. But the Valley is not the best place to find that.

[Presley]

No. Yeah. I'm realizing that I might just go back to dating women because, like, I'm over it.

[David]

Mm.

[Lyle]

I mean, that's not such a horrible idea.

[Presley]

Yeah. No.

[Lyle]

You can probably find a woman that will let you peg them.

[Presley]

Oh yeah. I have like five in my phone right now. It's just more of the challenge of. And. And like the. It's just so hot to like top a man. Like a masculine man.

[Lyle]

Well, look at it like this. Well, look at, look at, look at it like this. It's. It's good to. It's good to yearn, I think. I think it's good to have something that you're yearning for because if you're yearning for nothing, you might as well be dead. So? So? So I almost think that you having this fantasy that one day you'll find a masculine man that will bend over and let you fuck him in the ass. It's almost. It's almost a better thing for you to have than actually having it, you know, it keeps you going, keeps you hunting. Yeah. So look at it like that.

[Presley]

Yeah, I like that outlook. Thank you, Greg.

[Lyle]

What's your name again?

[Presley]

Presley.

[Lyle]

Presley. Presley, is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?

[Presley]

I love y' all and stay freaky.

[Lyle]

Beautiful. Thank you, Presley. Have a good night.

[Presley]

Bye.

[David]

Hello.

[Lyle]

Hi. How are you?

[David]

Good. Is this Lyle?

[Lyle]

It is. Who is this?

[David]

Oh, hey, man. I'm gonna go by David.

[Lyle]

David. What's going on, David? How's your evening going?

[David]

My evening is going pretty good. I got called off of my part time job, so I have the evening to just chill at home with my cat. You can hear her now. And I'm watching that new show with Tim Robinson, the Chair company. Pretty good. How about you? How's your night going?

[Lyle]

My night's going all right. I am recording my podcast. I'm thinking about my life too much.

[David]

Hell, yeah.

[Lyle]

Yeah, I'm thinking about my life too much. I think life is better when I'm. I like, I don't think I'm happiest when I'm thinking. I don't think anyone is happiest when they're.

[David]

What do you think that?

[Lyle]

Well, because I think life is meant to be, like, lived and experienced and like, you're supposed to be around people and you're supposed to be doing things that get you out of your brain. And I think certain things and certain situations and environments and whatnot, they put you back into your brain. And that's not good. That's why, like, I mean, that's why I get addicted to things. That's why, like, sex and porn and all that stuff is so addictive. That's why alcohol is addictive. That's why totally risky behavior is addictive. You know, just. Yeah, just anything to. Anything to take you away from.

[David]

I mean, you know, there's like distractions.

[Lyle]

Yeah. There's some people who say things like, oh, well, it's all. I'm a fan of good distractions. Because there's some people who say shit like, well, if you have any distractions, you're taking yourself away from being able to think about your own life, which is bad. But I think all of. I mean, isn't everything just like everything is either some means of survival or some means of taking you out of your own brain. And it's just that you. You ideally are doing things to take you out of your own brain that are healthy and not bad in an ideal world. But you're always gonna do the easiest thing. And the easiest thing is usually. Is something fucking bad.

[David]

Oh, man. Yep. We are. We are pretty inclined to gravitate towards what makes things just a little bit easier in our day to day. For sure.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[David]

I've. I found, like, this year in particular has been pretty monumental for myself in terms of, like, kind of making, like, hard decisions. And I gotta say, like, where I'm at right now, like, I feel really good about myself and where I'm at and, like, I feel, like, super inspired to just keep going with other changes. Like, I quit drinking back in February for good. So that was huge. And it's had monumental effects on my life and the people around me, the people closest to me, you know, work, my health, you know, and being inspired by that, like, pushed me to, like, exercise more, eat healthier, and then, like, it almost felt like, you know, like, you know, when you push over, like, dominoes.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[David]

And then, like, after that, I started looking at other things in my life, like, dude, it's so crazy, like, quitting alcohol. Like, I. I also go to therapy, so I. I've been talking with her, like, weekly about, like, all this stuff, like, over this whole year. And, like, I found that, like, I was probably using alcohol to, like, cover up, like, these pretty obvious, like, ADHD symptoms. And I feel like I was using it to, like, kind of, like, quiet my mind. And I felt like I could only, like, socialize when I was drinking. And it just created this, like, problem, this problem for me that I was hard to, like, face. But, like, because I didn't think it was a huge deal, like, because I was still functional, but, like, I wasn't doing the things that I wanted to do. And once I quit doing that, like, I started realizing, oh, maybe, maybe I have some. Some. Some things I need to address, like, with my mind. So I set up a screening for ADHD through therapy that I got put on a waiting list. So it's going to be in like, a month or so. But, you know, it's things that I'm getting. The things that I wouldn't have done had I not, like, done this initial thing. And since then, like, I quit vaping, which is big. And then, you know, I took my first, like, like, tolerance break from THC in years like since I first started smoking like 16 years ago, dude. Like, you know, and just understanding like how, how that makes me feel different, you know. And the other thing just recently, man, I just heard, listen to your podcast the other day where you were talking to somebody and I think the topic was like, about like, you know, just getting sucked into like the algorithms and the media and I quit. I didn't really use social media that much to begin with. Like, I never got TikTok. I always thought that stuff. I always thought it was so cringe. And I never bothered with Twitter either. It always just seemed weird that you would just put all your thoughts out like that. But I got into like Instagram and that was like my poison and Reddit too. And then I, I got Instagram off of my phone, moved it to my iPad, my shitty iPad that like freezes all the time. So I only check it here and there. And then I, before I like fully deleted Reddit, I would just periodically delete it from my phone and then I'd find myself on the toilet board. And so I download it again and I hadn't been on it for a while and then I, I'd log into it and then just, oh my God, just all this stress just flooding back into me and, and then I, and then it would be like 15 minutes of that, I turn it off and delete the app and get back to just like my world. But like remembering just like how I was just so consumed with that, like from the moment I waked, I woke up. Check Reddit. Check Reddit. Throughout the day, all the way into the evening, and it's just pumping out like so much stress and controversy and just wasn't good for me. But like, just like recently I like posted like all fascists should die. And then I got a three day ban. So I was like, fuck this and deleted it. And I feel really good since then. But like something I've been talking about with my therapist is just been like, you know, and I talk with my buddy all the time about like how stressful like the weight of the world feels like on a day to day basis, right? And it's like, you know, like you said, like things have been happening all the time and things always have been and things always will, whether. And just now we have these devices that make us aware of like everything at every corner of the globe at all hours of the day. And so it's just like, I don't think we're built to handle that. And so I, I feel so much better just Tuning out of it. Because, like, no matter what, you know, like, you know, I'm not gonna change anything. Like, I mean, I. I'm gonna change. I'm gonna change what I can. And what I can is in, like, my, you know, my general orbit. And so, like, when I just focus on, like, my world, then, like, it's a lot more, like, manageable. And I feel like, you know, if people kind of tune out a bit here and there, you know, it's. It's like a huge breath of fresh air. I don't know, like, if you've tried, like, doing that, like, recently, like, I don't. I only follow you, like, here and there on, like, the podcast. But, like, if you had, like, times where you just, like, completely disconnect and just, like, just do human things.

[Lyle]

Um, it's funny that you say that because I've been. I've been procrastinating on it a little bit, but I want to fully disconnect from technology. I think my problem is I don't right now. Like, I don't. I can't think of anything that I. Well, I guess I can't, like. There. I was going to say, like, I couldn't think of anything more pressing that I can do at that time, but I totally can. I mean, yeah, so many things, like, subtly suck up my time.

[David]

Well, I mean, I mean, like, you initially, like, mentioned, like, you know, not being able to, like, sit in your thoughts. And like, I gotta say, you know, like, one of the other things that, like, you know, has been very, like, monumental this year has been, like, a lot of time sitting in my thoughts. Like, I. I live. I live a pretty, like, kind of. I'm pretty, like, by myself all the time. And that's, like, by design. Like, I work a lot and the. The friends that, like, I feel closest to, they live in, like, another city. So I only set times to see them here and there. So it's really just like, me and, like, my close family here and there and, like, my cat. But, like, I've had, like, you know, I, like, you know, coming off of, quitting drinking. You know, I, like, the views of myself were just so low. Like, I just did not think really positively of myself because I just wasn't doing good things for myself for so long. And through, like, therapy and just, like, moments, just sitting at home by myself, just, like, literally just asking myself, like, why don't you like yourself? Like, why don't you, you know, just start there and then just trying to, like, backtrack and Figure this stuff out and then, you know, eventually just get to like, you know, why don't you love yourself? And just recently I went on a trip with my best bud out to the badlands in South Dakota and just had a completely, like, life changing experience. You know, it was. Felt like therapy out there with him, just like, out in nature, just connecting. And we did. We did bring some mushrooms, so that definitely helped, like, going on these hikes and like, eating mushrooms out there. It just felt like really, really crazy experience. Like, like we were opening up our minds and also like connecting with the earth at the same time, but, like, you know, just the whole time just getting really deep into the headspace. And I remember, like, there was this moment out there when I was like, walking out into like, these, like, sun patched, like, portions of the badlands on this hike, you know, before you enter these, like, prayer, these rolling prairies, and just taking this, like, moment to, like, kind of sit there and like, admire like, absolutely everything about what's around me. And like, right of, you know, looking at the mountains in the horizon, all the way down to the rocks on the ground, like, everything had a way, like. How do I put it? Everything stood out amongst each other in such an odd way. Like everything was just contrasting one another in such an obscure fashion like I'd never seen. And being out there, I almost saw myself, like, as like one of those things that just kind of stood out and it made. It shifted my perspective of myself into a way where, you know, I kind of thought, you know, it's okay to just be like, weird and unique and whatever and. And it's okay to, like, express yourself and not hide that. And I was just out there just getting like, deep in my head and, like, coming out of that, like, trip, like, I ended up finally being able to tell myself that I love myself. And, you know, I. I also didn't have Reddit the entire time, so I was just like, in it. I was just immersed. No, no phone. Just out there with my bud, listening to music, going on hikes, and it just was really, really, really rewarding. And I feel like we need more of that stuff. Like, definitely protect our parks.

[Lyle]

Yeah, I. Yeah, I've been saying that I want to do that for a while. Like, get off of all social media and get off of, like, like, dating apps and get off of, like, all these things. They just take up little bits of time and attention and whatnot. And yeah, I need to do that. I have a friend.

[David]

Well, you know, I mean, you could also.

[Lyle]

He's he's like. He is also on a bit of a technology fast, and he seems a lot more grounded as a result. And I feel like. I feel like I could get there. I feel like I always feel like I never have enough time or enough energy to tackle the things that I really want to tackle, but there always seems to be enough time and energy to do random crap. You know, it's so easy to get distracted.

[David]

Yeah, it's all these distractions, man. I mean, I gotta say, one of the things that really helped, like, me initially was just, like, finding an old piece of, like, junk hardware. Like, I have this old iPad, and I just, like, moved. Moved my shit there. So at least getting it off your phone, you know, and putting it onto a device that, like, you can still access, it's still available, but, you know, just at home. And it may be a little clunky, so you might get frustrated with it, so you'll put it down and maybe do something else. I don't know. But, like, you know, just like you said the other day, like, this stuff is manufactured, like, by design to, like, frustrate us and, like, divide us and distract us. And, you know, one of the things that I thought was, like, really interesting, like, coming out of, like, one of these hikes out in the Badlands, my buddy and I stopped at this restaurant out in Rapid City, and we sat down for some chicken Alfredo at the bar. And we're sitting there, and then over to our right, a few chairs down, there was just this. There's this older couple that was chatting it up with all the older folks around them, and they were very clearly, like, jumpers. Like, you know, they. Like, the stuff that was coming out of their mouth was just, like, kind of absurd. But, like, you know, they. They turned over to us, and I look Hispanic, and my buddy, you know, he doesn't look like he's from around there either. And, you know, they just. We struck up a conversation and just shot this. We just shot the shit. And, you know, it was like, you know, when you remove that, like, element, you know, it's a lot easier to come together. I feel like. Yeah, like, I feel like. Have you ever seen this hilarious video of, like, these two dogs just, like, going at it? Like, there's this fence, and. And. And they're, like, going at each other, like, with this fence in the way, and then the guy moves the fence aside, and suddenly the dogs are just like, you know, like, whatever, you know, and then he puts the fence back, and then they're Going at it again. And I feel like that fence is really like the algorithm, dude. And it's. We just gotta find a way to at least recognize it for what it is and figure out a way to just, you know, not let it get the better of us, you know? And I'm like, touching on a lot of things.

[Lyle]

So I was thinking about this the other day. Like, I talked to so many people on this podcast and, you know, in doing, like, the live shows and in doing, you know, on the street and stuff, and, like, everyone that I've talked to from doing this, like, 99.999% of people are, like, cordial and, like, you know, easy to talk to. And, like, they're all, like, good experiences, right? But then I see comments. I see comments on, like, Instagram, right? And on, like, spy and on YouTube where people are, like, stupid and hostile and judge and all these different things. And I'm like. And also just living my life. I meet people out and about and I'm like, theoretically, these are the same people. So, like, what the fuck is it that is making people so, like, what.

[David]

Is it about anonymity, dude? I don't know, but, like, you know, you remember. You remember south park, that one season that focused on, like, Kyle's dad is Skankot?

[Lyle]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[David]

Yeah. That's exactly what this is, dude.

[Lyle]

Right?

[David]

That is exactly what it is. And it's.

[Presley]

But.

[David]

But there's a part of it where it's like, you know, I. I've never felt like, you know, like, some inclination to, like, act like a penis online, you know, like, behind. Behind like, some, like, mask. But so many people feel like, so, I don't know, like, emboldened to just be a penis online. And. And I don't get it. And. And I'm sure, like, if. If it was, like, exposed to their wives or their. Their bosses or their children or whatever, I'm sure they'd be fucking embarrassed. But, like, what? Like, I don't know. There. There's some other part of it too. Like, it's something I don't understand. Like, I don't surround myself with people that act like that. But, like, it's. It's. It's odd. It's odd behavior.

[Lyle]

So, okay, now that you're enlightened in your life, what do you. What do you do?

[David]

I wouldn't say, like, I'm enlightened. I know. I just would say I feel. I feel more. I feel better.

[Lyle]

So what do you. What does your day to day look like?

[David]

Now well, I've got, so my main job. I work in a research lab and I, I help take care of the mice. So that's like a basic, like it's a 7 to 3:30 every day. And then I had a part time job where I'm a server at a restaurant. But now that the season's over, that's a little bit more sparse. So. I mean before I was doing like 60, 70 hours a week, but now it's like pretty, pretty open here and there. I'll do some landscaping stuff with my brother's dad with like plants around the city. But right now I'm just kind of cooling it and trying to pinch the pennies until it gets warmer again. I do have a few trips lined up. I'm going to see my grandmother in Virginia for her birthday this weekend. I'm going to Washington island with my buddies next week and then going to see my cousin in Minneapolis the week after that. So getting out there, moving around.

[Lyle]

Yeah, that all sounds great.

[David]

Yeah. What about you? Do you have any big, big trips coming up? I saw, I think I saw somebody that you went somewhere very interesting recently?

[Lyle]

I did, yeah. I was in Iraq. I still haven't finished, I still haven't finished the, the video for that, but that'll. I, I'm hoping to post that video before November ends.

[David]

So can I ask like what prompted like that, that's such an interesting like choice of location? Like what prompted you to want to go out there?

[Lyle]

Oh, I was kind of bored.

[David]

Okay. Yeah, I love that. Just bored and fellow going to Iraq.

[Lyle]

Yeah, that is what happened. I was like, I'm just, I'm so, I'm just like restless and I have to do, I feel and I have this thing in my gut where it's like I have to do grand exciting things with my life or else I just feel like I'm dying. It's a, it's, it's just a thing I've always had. It's a thing I've always had and it, and it bites me in the fucking tits. But, but it's just a thing I have. And so often like the easiest, the most logistically simple way to achieve that is to travel to places. Because, you know, all you have to.

[David]

Do is.

[Lyle]

Like for example, right. Like if you like if I want to do a big, grand, cool thing and I have to choose between like writing a book or traveling to Iraq, it's gonna be easier to like, I can do the emotional, I can do like the emotional, whatever it is of like going on that adventure way, way more than I can do the, the work of like sitting alone in a room trying to.

[David]

I get restless.

[Lyle]

I just get restless. It's adhd. Yeah, I like that shit. You know, I mean also I like doing things that like, you know, I getting to go there and like connect with people and like see the place and you know, it was really cool. I don't know if I have like other, I have other places I want to go. I don't know if I have other like big crazy adventures. But. Yeah, and then I'm going to Canada. November 6th, I'm doing a show. November 6th I'm doing a show in Edmonton at MacEwan.

[David]

Is that on, is that on the east or west or side of Canada? I forget.

[Lyle]

I want to say it's in the middle.

[David]

Right, right in the middle. For sure. Okay, nice. You know, like if I ever get myself into Canada with something I've always wanted to do is take their, their train from coast to coast. That sounds, sounds like a lot of fun. I'm trying to, trying to do an Amtrak ride from where I'm at, out, out to LA sometime soon and rent like a roommate for like the 46 hours. You're on it, but that's a little, a little, a little pricey at the moment.

[Lyle]

David, it was nice talking to you about life. This was, this felt like a classic heady talking about life thing. I feel like, yeah, you've inspired me to take a little bit of a chill pill perhaps.

[David]

Even if it's just for a few days. Like it just feels good to just like just you know, just sit and stare at a wall or something. Just like don't, don't think.

[Lyle]

Is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?

[David]

Yeah, I guess. Drink water, call your mom and say some gratitudes in the mornings.

[Lyle]

Beautiful. Thank you very much for calling, David.

[David]

Take care. Have a great day.

[Lyle]

You too.

[David]

Bye.

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[Presley]

Hello.

[Lyle]

What's up? How you doing? How's life?

[Brooke]

Is this Lyle?

[Lyle]

This is. Who is this? Who is this? Who is this?

[Brooke]

I said my name is Brooke. It's a fake name, but it's Brooke.

[Lyle]

How's life going, Brooke?

[Brooke]

Let's see. It's okay.

[Presley]

I.

[Brooke]

I don't know if I should, like, kind of gross, but I just got a yeast infection for the first time and I don't know. Yeah, I don't. I've never experienced this and I have to go to work in like an hour. The shit sucks.

[Lyle]

What is. What are the symptoms of the yeast infection?

[Brooke]

Um, it's gross. It's like the classics, like, you know, discharge. I don't know if you know much about that.

[Lyle]

Tell me. I mean, I mean, like, are there. Can you wear, like put on a tampon and it makes it not happen. It makes it happen less.

[Brooke]

That would be such an easy solution. I wish. There is like a over the counter medication that I bought today, so. Gotta try that out. But you have to. Yeah, it's kind of like a tampon. You put medication in your vagina and you like sleep with that in and it goes away in like three days. But yeah, for the next three days I'm gonna be like in pain, but I'm really not trying to focus on that. Really trying to stay positive.

[Lyle]

Okay. Maybe we could talk about something else and it'll distract you from the yeast infection.

[Brooke]

Yeah, actually, let's see. I'm moving in. Let's see, like 10 days to a mountain town. It's a mountain town in Colorado. It's a ski town and I'm stoked. Wow. Okay. This. Sorry, I. We talked like a long time ago, so it's just like so funny to be talking to you again. We talked like three years ago about some stupid. But I'm. I've. I'm a changed woman and I'm. I'm an adult now. I feel like the last time I called you, I think I was like inebriated. I don't remember exactly what we talked about, but it's good to talk to you again.

[Lyle]

Okay. I'm glad that you're doing better. What's changed in your life since then?

[Brooke]

Let's see. I graduated college, got a corporate ass dumbass job for. I had that job for like seven months and it was a really good paying job, like within my industry. That I studied and then like I hated it. Oh, I actually think I texted you about this, but I think this is something I wanted to talk about with you. Yeah, that, that like industry. I was a graphic designer for an environmental engineering firm and graphic design is like, that's what I studied in school and it's just turned into this like horrible thing I hate. Like I, I quit the corporate job, I got started freelancing. I got some gigs with within the music industry which was super exciting and fun at first. Then like as time went on I'm realizing how fucked up the music industry is and like everybody is. It's just all up and it's made me despise graphic design. And that's part of the reason why I'm moving to Steamboat is because, or probably shouldn't have disclosed the area where I'm moving, but moving to a ski town because yeah, I'm pretty sick of trying to do the, the grind. The grind mindset and like the whole, I don't know, graphic design is just stupid. I'm over it. I hate it. It's like, yeah, I feel like I've been on every single side of it, like publication to illustration to branding to merchandise design. Like I've done so much in the past three years since I graduated college and, and yeah, I guess I'm just trying to escape and try something new. Move to a ski town, see how that works out.

[Lyle]

Okay, okay. Okay. What do you, what are your plans in the ski town? Are you going to get another job?

[Brooke]

Yeah, I have. So I quit doing design full time eight months ago and I was doing it part time throughout this summer. I just took my last project last month. I'm swearing off any freelance. So in that meantime I've had like a part time restaurant job serving tables and so I'll be doing that up at this, at the ski town and then working part time at the resort as well. And I've got those locked in, so I'm stoked about that.

[Lyle]

That's pretty sweet. That sounds like a nice fun job.

[Brooke]

Like serving at a restaurant. Yeah, yeah, it'll be fun because like, I mean, I'm assuming it'll be really good money because all of these tourists coming and visiting the town and trying to spend a bunch of money on good food on their vacation. I feel like it'll be, it'll be good for me. Do you like? Yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm hoping so. I mean it's expensive as to live there so I better be making good tips or else I Can't live there.

[Lyle]

What were you going to say?

[Brooke]

I was gonna say, like, I. Oh, you know what? You said so many things in the previous call that I wanted to bring up.

[Lyle]

Sure.

[Presley]

What did you say?

[Brooke]

You said something that really resonated with. Oh, my God, I'm. I'm blanking say.

[Lyle]

But any, anything, anything you can vaguely remember about it, we can remember it together.

[Brooke]

It was like the, the guy who's talking about social media, he was. You were saying how that you, you delete or you haven't deleted social media, but you, you don't really seem like a slave to it. Like, you don't seem addicted to it.

[Lyle]

I don't seem addicted to it?

[Brooke]

Is that what you said?

[Lyle]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm definitely addicted to it.

[Brooke]

Oh, oh, but you, but you, like, want to change that or like. Yeah, because I. What he was talking about putting like Instagram on his old iPad is something that I have tried out. I put it, I just have it on my, like, desktop computer and that makes me not want to go on Instagram at all. I'm not so much addicted to like, Reddit or anything else, but Instagram, I. I'm on like Facebook reels and that sucks. Like, I have Facebook on my phone and sometimes when I'm really craving, like that short term addiction, brain rot stuff, like, there's no brain rot on there. It's all like millennial stupid. And it really does help because it's like, it makes me snap into the moment so fast. I'm like, why the am I watching this Facebook reel? So, yeah, I would say, like, that's been my solution. Just taking it off my phone and then keeping Facebook to remind me like, oh, wait, this is dumb, you know?

[Lyle]

Oh, yeah. Okay, so you keep just one social media to remind you how much you hate social media as opposed to checking the revolving door of seven different social medias to. Yeah, you know, then remember that you hate social media. Yeah, it saves a lot of time. Yeah, I think Reddit is good for that because every time I go on Reddit, I'm like, yeah, I don't need, I don't need to be here at all.

[Brooke]

Yeah, okay. But I'm on Reddit for a lot of, like, art stuff and I like to look at that. But like, Reddit for. Yeah, Reddit for dumb.

[Presley]

Yeah, I get that.

[Lyle]

I mean, that's how they get you, right? Is that you're on there for one thing and then it attacks you with all these fucking other things.

[Brooke]

Exactly. Like, especially Instagram. The algorithm, it's like. It's so good. It keeps me going. Like, I don't know, there's, you know that, like, picture of, like, the miner who turns around, like, right before the diamond? Like, that meme?

[Lyle]

No. Oh, wait, yes. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. Yes, I do.

[Brooke]

That's how it feels to be scrolling Instagram reels. And it's like, I just need to give up at some point, but I know the next video is going to be really good.

[Lyle]

Well. Well, it's not exactly like that meme, because there's no, you know, I don't really know what diamond you're searching for, because even if you find a good video, it's like, well, you're going to keep scrolling, you know.

[Brooke]

Wow, that was actually really like. I like that. Yeah. What am I searching for on Instagram? Reels. Am I trying to, like. Because sometimes I'm. You know how Instagram added, like, the Liked by feature so you can see, like, the people you follow who liked the reels?

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Sometimes I feel like I, like, have. Have stopped liking reels or liking certain reels because I want people to think that I like that video. Or, like, unlike. You know what I'm saying?

[Lyle]

Yeah, you're trying to, like, socially signal that you like something.

[Brooke]

Exactly. And then it's like, well, yeah, like, maybe they like that too. And then maybe. I don't know. But then it's like, some things I'm scared to, like, because I'm like, oh, this doesn't align with my, you know, what I'm putting out there on Instagram. Like, this doesn't go with my brand, I guess, which is so stupid. I'm not, like, an influence or anything. And this is why I deleted this, because I don't. I don't care about this. I don't know why. Why would I even care about that? Why would I care about unliking on Instagram or, like, what? I. I don't know. You know what I'm saying?

[Lyle]

Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah. It's like, why would you even care?

[Brooke]

Doesn't matter.

[Lyle]

It is. It is, no offense, a dumb thing to care about, but it's usually good to understand that it's a dumb thing to care about. Like, like curating your feed and stuff, I think is a fool's errand.

[Brooke]

I. Yeah, I had this, like, roommate that really wanted to be an influencer once, and she, like, it was like, I don't judge. I really, like. I really try not to judge people, but this Is something that. It would just be like, she'd be recording us, like, going out to eat and being like, come with me to try a new restaurant in the downtown. I'd be like, shut up. Like, literally, what are you doing? You have 10 followers. Like, this is so dumb. Like, what. What is the point of that? Like, the restaurant isn't paying you to post it. Like, you're not getting anything out of it except for attention and that. That's what they get out of it.

[Lyle]

Mm.

[David]

Mm.

[Brooke]

Yeah. Fuck social media.

[Lyle]

Yeah, social media kind of sucks ass. I mean, I have it to thank for the career I've been able to make out of it, but I. I'd like to not be on it at all.

[Brooke]

Do you have, like, a social media person that does all your shit?

[Lyle]

Uh, no. No, I don't. It's just me. Although I should probably get someone. I should probably get someone to, like, start doing that shit, because I haven't. I mean, I fell off significantly mainly because I just got burnt out from, like, doing all that shit and I had trouble. Yeah, I mainly just got burnt out from doing all that shit. And I. And I kind of started to feel like I don't even know what the point of this is anymore.

[Presley]

Oh, my God.

[Brooke]

I think I remembered what I was going to tell you that.

[Presley]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Yes. So this wasn't regarding the Last Call, but a. A few episodes ago, I think you mentioned you don't believe that everything happens for a reason. I think that's fucking stupid. I think everything does happen for a reason. And I think the whole, like, narrative, we're on a floating rock, nothing matters, blah, blah, blah. That is so dumb. I think that's, like, the worst way to approach anything. And I think everything happens for a reason because it's like. I don't know the proper philosophy term, but, like, you know, the determinism, idea, ideology or whatever.

[Lyle]

Yeah, sure.

[Presley]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

I feel like. Would you prescribe to that or.

[Lyle]

Yeah, I definitely secretly subscribe to some form of determinism. But I want you to. I want to hear more about why you think that's stupid, because you seem like you have an alternative viewpoint.

[Brooke]

I guess. Yeah, I wanted to get your perspective a little bit more solidified, but I guess I just, like. I just. I feel like I've seen a lot of people in my, like, interpersonal relationships that are like, life doesn't matter. We're on a floating rock. It. I'll go on that date tonight. I'll go out to this concert, yolo, you know, like, that mentality, and I feel like that fuels this. It just, it creates this. It doesn't have any roots in reality. Like, it, it just has no legs. Like, it's just like a very, like, the yellow mentality is. So, like, you should make choices that matter because that will affect everything and, and that will affect your future decisions. Do you know what I mean? Like, you shouldn't just carelessly make choices because you think it doesn't matter because that wouldn't. It's probably going to hurt you in the long run. Or it's like you're not deciding anything with your gut or your brain or your heart. You're basing it all on, like, the YOLO mentality. You know, you're basing it in, like, the present moment, but the present moment doesn't have, like, any legs further than that, you know? But if you decide and make decisions based, like, you know, practically and like, with your brain, or if you have. You make decisions based on feeling or your gut, at least that's rooted in something, and it's probably based on some sort of series of subconscious events that you've occurred to make you choose that decision. I just feel like the YOLO mentality, it's a plague to our society. I feel like so many people are. Are. Are getting hurt by it. So that's what I think.

[Lyle]

Yeah, no, I agree with you. I think that you're talking about, like, nihilism, and I think that nihilism is.

[Brooke]

But it's rebranded to be, like, cool, like the, the trendy thing to do.

[Lyle]

Well, that's like, what you're talking about is, like an optimistic nihilism. But I agree with you. I don't. I don't know if I agree with you necessarily yet that nihilism isn't rooted in some form of reality. But I totally agree with you that it's not helpful. It's not helpful at all. It's really, really not helpful at all. I don't like it. I don't like determinism. I don't like nihilism. I. Yeah, I hate it. I hate it. I'd so much rather be. Although I think when you're talking about things like, oh, yolo, I'll go on this date, I'll go to this concert, whatever, I think that these are people who are using the fact that, you know, I mean, I don't think YOLO's the worst ever motto. I think it's good to recognize that, you know, your time. I think it's good to recognize that Your shit is finite and make decisions based off of that. That there is really no future.

[Brooke]

Yeah, okay. Yes, I do agree with that. I think that. But it is like important there.

[Presley]

I don't know.

[Brooke]

I think it's important to think about.

[Presley]

Like there is a future and like.

[Brooke]

This does have repercussions and I don't know, I feel like it, it's just kind of. It also like what devalues the present moment as well. Like, or like, you know, devalues everything else around you. It's a little bit selfish also. Like the yellow mentality or the float. We're on a floating rock, so nothing matters mentality I think is like.

[Presley]

It'S.

[Brooke]

Just, it's not good, it's bad.

[Lyle]

In what way do you think it devalues the present moment? Because I. Because you could argue that it, that it's sincerely valid that it values the present moment.

[Brooke]

Right.

[Lyle]

A lot.

[Brooke]

Yeah, yeah. That is like the general argument. But I do think that like we're on a floating rock. It's like, well, not to, not to get like so woo woo. But it is like we're on the earth. The earth is our home. This is like a finite resource we live on. We can't just like make careless decisions about this. Floating rock is very important and like everybody lives here and we have to treat this environment, this space, our community with like more premeditated actions. I think that like. Yeah, I think that like it, it devalues the present moment because in the present moment we're living on this shared planet, this shared space. And so it's like my present moment's more important than anybody else's. Or like, I don't think that necessarily in the context of going to a concert or on a date. But you know, it can get like spiral pretty fast. And I've. I don't know, I feel like I've just seen it happen within my friends making careless decisions or family. So that's really what it's rooted in.

[Lyle]

No, I, I see, I see what you mean. I see what you. I see what you mean. And again like it's. We have the same information but we're having two different perspectives on it. And I think, I think you have a good. I think you have a good perspective. I think that's. It's a totally reasonable one.

[Brooke]

Yeah, I think we're almost like two sides of the same coin.

[Lyle]

What's your name again?

[Presley]

Brooke.

[Lyle]

Brooke. Hmm.

[Brooke]

Oh my God. The last time.

[Lyle]

Go ahead.

[Brooke]

I was just going to say the last time it's funny because I started off this conversation about my yeast infection, but the last time I called you was about an STD I had. I have a bad track record on the Gecko show.

[Lyle]

I don't think that's a bad track record. That's just, you know, that's just your life.

[Brooke]

It's just life. You're there for me in my darkest moments.

[Lyle]

I'm honored to be there for you in your darkest moments. Brooke, is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?

[Brooke]

Spread love, show love, check up on your friends, drink some water, say hi to your grandma. Love you.

[Lyle]

Thank you, Brooke. Have a good night.

[Brooke]

You too. Bye.

[Lyle]

Bye. I agree with Brook's postulate that I'd certainly rather think like Brooke that there is a future and we should be doing stuff now, whether, you know, in the world or in our own lives that are kind of like plant the seeds for a better future. So I do agree with her perspective in that way.

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Hey, folks, what's up? It's me. It's Lyle, and we're gonna do a thing where we end this episode by reading viewer mail. I've been enjoying doing these hybrid geck mail phone call episodes. So let's do some viewer mail. If you want to submit viewer mail for the future, you can mail me or, you know, I mean, email me. I mean, if you want to, you can mail me, but you got to find out where I live first, and I don't keep that information public. Don't try to figure out where I live. Don't do that. Just. Just send me an email. It's way easier. You can email me at therapygeckomailmail.com but before you do that, let's listen to some people who already emailed [e-mail] and let's see what they have to say. Alright, subject Geck. Mail from Dylan. This is from Dylan. Hi, Geck. I'm 26 and a long time listener. Big fan of everything you do. I'm not the best with words, but I'll do my best. I love traveling and going on new adventures and I really want to travel overseas again. I live near Sydney, Australia, and the only place I've ever been overseas is Bali. About 15 times now. Whoa, 15 times. That's a lot of times. I started going there when I was a kid with my mom, dad and sister. Later on, my parents divorced, I think because my mom cheated. Though no one ever told me for sure. I never pushed my dad about it because he's not great at talking about that kind of thing. After the divorce, my mom moved to Bali with her new partner while I stayed in Australia with my dad. About a year ago, I started visiting my mom in Bali on my own. My dad didn't want to come, so I would travel by myself. I was only about 10 at the time. Wait, I said about a year later, right? Not a year ago. Because that would mean he was 11. I just want to make sure. About a year later, I started visiting my mom in Bali on my own. My dad didn't want to come, so I would travel by myself. I was only about 10 at the time. Someone from the airport would help me through the lines and make sure I got there safely. It made me feel pretty special. You guys remember that movie Unaccompanied Minors? This is not part of the email. This is just me doing a thing. It's like, about. Yeah, it's like a 2006 movie about kids on Christmas. They're unaccompanied minors. I don't remember that movie. All right, sorry. Let's read the rest of this guy's email. I'm gonna stop. I'm interrupting. I'm gonna read the whole email. I even brought back a few laser pointers to sell to my schoolmates, which I now realize was a dumb idea since they're illegal here. But at the time it felt like a cool little business. The whole point is that it's illegal. That's how it's like. That's like saying I used to sell weed in high school, which I realized was a dumb idea because it's illegal. It's like, of course, you know. Okay, all right. I really will stop interrupting this time. Why are laser pointers illegal in Australia? I don't know. If this is frustrating for you guys to listen to, but hold on. Why are laser pointers illegal in Australia? Laser pointers are not completely illegal in Australia, but are strictly regulated. Primarily because aiming them at an aircraft is a serious and dangerous offense. Okay, but can you. Can a laser pointer really fucking go that far up? And also, why just Australia? They're not the only one that have planes. I'm sorry. Those trips to Bali were amazing. I got to spend my school holidays with my mom and she had more kids there. My three younger half brothers. Sadly, I haven't seen them since I was 16. My mom passed away from breast cancer when I was 15. And the last time I went to Bali was for her funeral. After that, I didn't want to go back. Airplanes just reminded me of her and flying became too hard emotionally. I'd love to see my brothers again just to make sure they're okay, but their dad left a bad impression on me. When my mom died only two weeks later, he emptied my savings account. What the fuck? About $20,000 that my dad had been putting money into since I was born. That's fucked up. Because it was a shared account with my mom and her husband at the time, there was nothing I could do. Dude, that's fucked up. Is there really nothing you could do? That's fucked up, man. There's no way to like, is that. I guess. Damn. Yeah, I guess if it's a shared account with your mom, like he legally can do that. Sucks. I'm sorry, man. Damn. That made me lose trust in him. And it's part of why I'm scared to reach out now. I don't even know if my brothers remember me. They were all toddlers when my mom passed away. But I still think about them and hope they're doing alright. These days I try to stay positive. I've got a beautiful wife and together we've worked hard to buy our first property in a country town. We're building our dream house. And I hope that one day my brothers might find me and maybe we can share a joint together and catch up on everything we missed. Wow, what an email. Thanks for sending this, Dylan. This is. What a story you've got. You seem like a really nice guy, Dylan. I'm sorry to hear that your stepdad did that to you when you were a kid. No, I don't think he's worth reaching out to. I mean, that's a really rotten fucking thing to do. But I don't know. The half brothers, right? Like, I mean, you could do a Little Facebooking, I'm sure. And try to find them. I'm sure if you wanted to, you could do a little Facebooking. If you have a. You have a wife and shit. I'm sure you're. I don't. It doesn't. It doesn't say exactly how old you are, but I'm gonna guess you're at least in your late 20s. And. Yeah, maybe I haven't seen them in a, you know, over a decade, but I. I think it's worth it to do a little bit of Facebooking and reach out to them. Hmm. How are things going? I wish I could talk to this guy. If you. Dylan, if you. If you hear this, send me a. I mean, give me a call on the podcast sometime. I want to. I want to talk to you. I want to hear how your. Your dad is doing. I want to know more about your life. That's cool, man. I'm glad that you. That's really hard to lose your mom at 15, but you still went on to, you know, make a proper life for yourself, brother. That's really cool. That's really cool. Yeah. You should reach out to your half siblings, see how they're doing on Matebook or whatever they got in Australia. Thanks for sharing that story, Dylan. Sorry, Sorry. I kept interrupting it with the stupid laser pointer thing. Although I am. I still don't get why they're illegal in. In Melbourne or in all of Australia. Okay, I'm looking at my Google Chrome window and it says geck. Mail from Dylan. Unaccompanied minors, Wikipedia, and then our lasers legal on Reddit. All right, this is from Charles. Subject line, what is camouflage? Hi, Lyle, My name is Charlie. I'm from England, and I saw you live at the Clapham Grand. I ate three hot dogs at the show. Very stoned. It was amazing. Thank you, Charlie. Me and my brother currently have a disagreement about camouflage. My brother made the point that leopard print jeans must be camouflage, as leopard's fur is camouflage in its natural habitat. I believe that once the camo is taken out of the environment, it blends in. It is no longer camouflage and is now just a funky pattern. Therefore, animal print genes aren't camouflage. Unless if you're in a jungle. We would Love your insight. P.S. come back to England. Hmm. I will try to come back to England, but about the camouflage thing, I don't really have an opinion on this, but I like the way that your brain is going with this. Right, because listen, nobody who buys camo jeans or leopard print jeans is using them. For the purpose of camouflage. They're buying it because it is a funky pattern. But just because the thing is not being utilized for its intended purpose at the time it is being used, does that necessarily mean that it is not that thing? It's an interesting psych philosophical conundrum. It's like a ship of thesis kind of a thing. I like to be contrarian. So I'm going to join you in saying that leopard print genes are not camouflage. They're just a funky pattern. And it sounds like it pisses off your brother that you said that and I think that's kind of funny. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna go with you on that. That it's not camouflage, it's just a funky pattern. Alright. This is from Finn. Subject line whatever you put out, you get back. Hey Lyle, Longtime listener here. Recently I moved away from home to study abroad for a year. Just for a bit of context. Like the majority of people in Ireland my age, I have lived at home with parents my entire life. Even though it's only a year when making the decision to live away, I was filled with a lot of anxiety about what would change in my life and if things would be different after moving. Even though these are understandable fears, I'm really glad I decided to move. As much as I love my home and my family and friends, I feel like the version of me that stayed would be much less fulfilled than the current me that left. It's also cool dad lore for the future. Going into this, I wanted to treat it as a fresh start. I decided to be more confident and open. It wasn't as easy at the start, but now I have made a lot of new friends and I'm still keeping in touch with my friends back home. This experience has also made me much more open to trying new things and following my dreams. I've gotten more into music and I'm following my passions more openly and honestly. As I used to feel pretty embarrassed saying out loud that I wanted to make music. I'm still learning and adjusting, but I'm definitely a lot less scared of change. If I've learned one thing from this experience so far, it's that whatever you put out into the universe, you can often get back. I've made friends with a lot of new people who both share interests with me and are into things that I'm not really into myself. Thanks for doing the show. Even though I recommend studying abroad, it can get pretty lonely sometimes, so having a familiar voice can be pretty nice. Hope to call in someday thanks. I'm happy for you, Finn. I really, really strongly believe. Listen, guys, I get it. I know, I know that not everyone has the means to be able to leave their hometown, but if you do, or if you have an inkling that you might want to try, I recommend it. You know, I think, you know, any of my life philosophies or whatever, they only come from how I'm wired and everyone's wired differently, but I really think it's like, you know, I don't know. I don't know, man. You only live for such a short amount of time. You should go and see the fucking world. So good for you, Finn. This is from Chris. Subject line, first time. Geck Mailer. Hey, Lyle. My name is Republicus. Okay, I'm gonna keep Chris. I mean, Republicus, whatever. I'm not gonna blur. I don't think we're. I'm not gonna cut out your real name, but Chris Republicus. Okay. All right. I'm kind of new to the community. I've seen the show before. I've heard some good things talked about on the show and it has made me want to reach out and see what advice I can get or give back. I'm married, 34 year old male to a gorgeous woman. And I have three boys. It's cool. I like being a father. That's nice. It's nice having some boys. You know, me and my boys. That wasn't, that wasn't in his email. That was me commenting on his email. My married life is amazing also. I have in my life the one person in my life who knows who I am and can always see the true me. She knows all of my quirks and I love that she knows these things. We have been together for 14 years. We've had our fights and we've almost separated, but we've learned, and we are continuing to learn how to communicate better. We have worked hard for the things we have, just like anyone else does. I don't have wealth in the denominator way, but I am very wealthy in the love I have with the people I hold closest to me. Now, enough of me patting myself on the back. I'm curious just to share a little bit of myself with you in the audience in the hopes that maybe I'm not totally alone in some aspects of life. Aliens, maybe ancient history. Really cool and fun sometimes. Okay, I'm not sure where this is going, but I'm gonna keep reading it. I recently got into Hema, the historical European martial arts. Been checking in on Atlas here and there, but the government shut down and NASA went blind. These are just some of the things I try to enjoy and fill my head with so reality goes away. Moving on. I drive trucks for a living. Trash specifically. He wrote trash in all caps. It's a fun work environment and I enjoy driving all day. My two youngest are in school and the oldest is living at home but working two jobs. My missus works for the state government. Shh. He wrote shh. That's all I will say about that. Then he wrote parentheses. It kind of ramps up a little. Also, I have been adding salt and pepper to my previous statements. Sorry if it gets rambly. I really this is an audio. I'm not reading the email. This is an audio experience. So I really like I can't show you this email, but I really wish I could because it's. This really feels like something to read. Alright. It is a really funny thing trying to send this email. I'm finding it's taking a few days to do so. Wow. Okay. How many. I'm curious how many days this has been written over. See, currently as of this paragraph, it's been four days or longer trying to get this all finished. There we go. I remember to myself oh yeah, Geck. And I come back. It's been chill for the most part, but at this moment I'm a little hurt physically. Lmao. I fucking tripped at work while on my personal time changing my car tires. Then I spent two to three hours nearly destroying my boss's equipment to change my tires. All because I didn't want to help using the mecha. All because I didn't want help using the mechanical, intuitive, useful tool that I thought I knew how to use. To top off the level of frustration I was feeling in that moment, my gorgeous wife texted and called wondering why I'm not home. And of course I take it that she is upset that I am not done with the tires. Parentheses, real quick. In between nearly breaking my boss's things and my wife calling, I had also tore the wall of my tire while using the machine. Thank you in parentheses. Okay, I'm trying to follow this. I'm yelling at her because I think she's yelling at me. While she, on the other hand is just trying to see if I'm hurt or dead or just mentally stable. I hang up, finish the tire swap all caps. So unconventionally finally drive home and apologize to my beautiful wife. Parentheses, sorry if the simping is too much and started this paragraph. It's alright. I think it's alright to simp for your wife, I think. I think that's okay, Republicus. Anyways, it's been chill just taking the time to finally finish this email. Weird how parentheses therapy can work when you have such a wise and humble gecko that simply listens, analyze, and tries to be concise with what he says. I appreciate that. GG's Republicus. Whoo. All right. We did that. We did it. I could see. I could see myself for every day it took for you to write this email. It took me an extra 2 minutes to read it and comprehend it. But even though I don't think I fully Even though I don't think I fully comprehended you, Republicus, I. You just by judging by this email, you're the kind of guy I'd be down to hang out with. I'm curious what your life is like. I mean, I feel like I got a pretty good idea of what your life is like from this email. And I like it. I like the way you live. I'm happy that you exist. I really. I'm not even just bullshitting this, you know, you have three boys, you have a wife that you're nice to, that you've been together with since you were fucking 20. You got jobs, your kids are in school. Like you're a real human being on their planet Earth right now. I have a lot of respect for you, Republicus. Call in sometime. I want to know what Republicus means. And I also want to know what the hell you were using to fix your tires. Well, that's geck mail. That was viewer mail. Once again, if you want to send me an email, you can do [e-mail] thank you guys very much for not recording. I'm the one recording, but thank you very much for listening to the thing that I have recorded. I appreciate that very much. I hope you enjoyed listening to this episode. I hope that this was fun for you guys to. Or informative or good. I hope it was worth your time to listen to this thing. I'm not wearing pants. I haven't been wearing pants this whole time. I'm just in my underwear. So I'm gonna go put on pants and that's it. I don't have anything else to say. Thank you sincerely, from the bottom of my heart for listening to this podcast. And I hope you keep listening and I hope you tell your friends, and I hope that this show has been helpful or anything at all to you in the time that I've done it. And I feel honored to be a gecko. On the computer. Thank you guys. Bye bye. But he's not really an expert.

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