“I WANT TO DO NOTHING”

Summary

Podcast Summary: Therapy Gecko – “I WANT TO DO NOTHING”

Release Date: April 30, 2025
Host: Lyle (iHeartPodcasts)

In the episode “I WANT TO DO NOTHING,” Therapy Gecko navigates the intricate balance between ambition, contentment, and the pursuit of personal happiness. Through candid conversations with callers Maddie, Tony the Tiger, and Mike, host Lyle delves deep into themes of self-improvement, existential dilemmas, and the everyday struggles of maintaining a meaningful life.

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1. Maddie’s Struggle: Balancing Indulgence and Healthy Living

Timestamp: [00:46] – [04:56]

Maddie initiates the conversation by sharing her internal conflict between enjoying indulgent foods and adhering to a healthy diet. She confesses her love for comfort foods like pizza and Ben & Jerry’s, describing the immediate satisfaction they bring:

"I've had no dopamine high quite like eating an entire pint of peanut butter s'mores, Ben and Jerry's." ([02:50])

Maddie elaborates on her attempts to meal prep healthy meals, only to find them unsatisfying and time-consuming:

"It takes fucking forever. And then I could sit there and like, eat it all, I feel like." ([03:18])

Her struggle highlights the common dilemma of seeking short-term pleasure versus long-term well-being, emphasizing the need for balance in one’s diet and lifestyle.

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2. Romanticizing Life vs. Embracing Normalcy

Timestamp: [04:20] – [09:33]

The discussion shifts to the concept of romanticizing everyday activities. Maddie reflects on how she once sought grandeur in her experiences but now finds solace in simple moments:

"When everything's romantic, it's so grand and lofty and sometimes you just want to fucking be a normal ass." ([07:30])

Lyle shares his own battle with making mundane activities feel special, revealing his realization that true contentment lies in accepting and appreciating ordinary moments:

"I am honored to sit here and eat this and watch a YouTube video... This is a great honor." ([08:20])

This segment underscores the importance of finding joy in the ordinary, rather than constantly seeking extraordinary experiences.

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3. Crafting Personal Narratives Amidst Life’s Chaos

Timestamp: [10:05] – [14:48]

Maddie contemplates whether creating personal narratives from life’s randomness is selfish or a necessary coping mechanism. She questions the validity of attributing meaning to random events:

"It's just kind of... you're imagining things in my mind, I guess." ([10:36])

Lyle offers a philosophical perspective, suggesting that crafting a personal narrative provides stability amidst chaos:

"You're creating something to cling to within the chaos. It's like tapping into your higher existence." ([12:42])

The conversation delves into the human tendency to seek order and meaning, advocating for narrative crafting as a way to navigate life's unpredictability.

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4. Observations on Aging and Empathy Decline

Timestamp: [13:19] – [16:27]

Maddie expresses her belief that people tend to become less empathetic as they age, attributing it to accumulated experiences and rigidity:

"I feel like people get a little bit more assholey as they get older." ([13:19])

Lyle muses on societal changes and the potential loss of empathy, pondering why increased age often correlates with decreased patience and understanding:

"Anyone can just go outside... there’s something in between the philosophies of, like, the socialist, you are enough, and everything is fine all the time." ([27:10])

This segment explores the societal implications of aging, questioning whether maturity leads to greater empathy or the opposite.

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5. Tony the Tiger’s Journey: From Medical School to Residency

Timestamp: [48:04] – [57:23]

Tony the Tiger shares his experiences navigating medical school and preparing for residency in internal medicine. He describes the intense first year filled with rigorous classes and the challenges of balancing academic demands:

"The first year... is just like ordering grubhub and studying." ([52:12])

Tony highlights the importance of human compassion in medicine, questioning whether AI can ever fully replace the empathetic aspects of healthcare:

"The biggest thing that patients say about me is that I'm the nicest person to come in the room all day and just talk to them." ([56:19])

He expresses skepticism about the role of AI in the future of medicine, emphasizing that the human touch remains irreplaceable:

"Do you want, like, a cold, silvery robot hand doing a physical exam on you?" ([56:35])

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6. Mike’s Fitness Fables: Humor and Exaggeration

Timestamp: [73:04] – [89:38]

Mike brings a lighter, humorous tone to the episode with his exaggerated claims about his fitness regimen. He humorously asserts that he can squat 540 pounds and bench 250 pounds despite being only 145 pounds:

"I do 10 reps, 3 sets of 540." ([76:56])

Lyle playfully expresses disbelief, leading to a comedic exchange about Mike’s fitness achievements. This interaction serves as comic relief, contrasting with the deeper, more introspective conversations earlier in the episode.

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7. Reflections on Personal Growth and Responsibility

Timestamp: [65:00] – [70:04]

As the episode progresses, Lyle reflects on his own experiences with existential thoughts and the importance of maintaining responsibilities to stay grounded:

"You just gotta force yourself to go out and do things, you know, which is easier said than done." ([65:25])

He emphasizes the necessity of balancing introspection with active engagement in life’s responsibilities to prevent becoming lost in existential crises.

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8. Closing Thoughts: Embracing Simplicity and Self-Acceptance

Timestamp: [93:07] – [97:20]

In the closing moments, Lyle shares his desire to embrace simplicity, finding honor in everyday actions like eating a sandwich and watching YouTube:

"I'm gonna go eat a fucking sandwich and watch a YouTube video about Luigi and about, like, 10 Luigi facts or whatever the fuck, and I'm gonna feel honored that I get to live today to do that." ([97:14])

He underscores the episode’s central theme: the importance of appreciating the mundane and finding contentment in daily life rather than constantly striving for more.

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Notable Quotes

• Maddie on Dopamine Highs:
  "I've had no dopamine high quite like eating an entire pint of peanut butter s'mores, Ben and Jerry's." ([02:50])

• Lyle on Romanticizing Normalcy:
  "There’s something in between the philosophies of, like, the socialist, you are enough, and everything is fine all the time." ([27:10])

• Tony the Tiger on Human Compassion:
  "The biggest thing that patients say about me is that I'm the nicest person to come in the room all day and just talk to them." ([56:19])

• Lyle on Embracing Simplicity:
  "I'm gonna go eat a fucking sandwich and watch a YouTube video about Luigi and about, like, 10 Luigi facts or whatever the fuck, and I'm gonna feel honored that I get to live today to do that." ([97:14])

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Conclusion

“I WANT TO DO NOTHING” encapsulates a heartfelt exploration of the human condition, grappling with the tension between ambition and contentment. Through honest dialogue and relatable anecdotes, Therapy Gecko offers listeners a mirror to their own struggles and encourages embracing the simplicity of everyday joys. Whether tackling deep existential questions or sharing a laugh over fitness tall tales, this episode provides a rich tapestry of thoughts and emotions, resonating with anyone seeking balance in an increasingly complex world.

Transcript

[Lyle]

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[Maddie]

Call from Maddie.

[Lyle]

Hello?

[Maddie]

Hello? Can you hear me?

[Lyle]

Yeah. Hey, what's your name?

[Maddie]

Maddie.

[Lyle]

Maddie. What's up, Maddie? What's up? What's going on with you?

[Maddie]

You know, nothing much. I. I'm just eating some pizza right now.

[Lyle]

That sounds.

[Maddie]

What's up?

[Lyle]

That sounds psychedelic. Eating pizza, you know, it's really.

[Maddie]

I'm sorry.

[Lyle]

Go ahead, Go ahead.

[Maddie]

I just. I just can't believe. This is just crazy, but continue.

[Lyle]

Sorry, I was just gonna say it's really about the simple things in life. Is eating so great? I talk a lot on here about, like, my own, like, food bullshit. And I've been thinking about this. Tell me. Tell me what you think, Maddie, is. I can't decide if I'm happier when I'm not eating like shit or when I'm eating like shit, because some, like, there's just an acute happiness that I feel when I eat a giant cheesesteak and fries and watch YouTube and it's. I. I don't. There is, like, one could say a greater amount of contentment in living a healthy lifestyle, but I don't know. There's. It's probably a balance. There's probably a way to balance it because once you eat like shit for too long, the effects diminish. But, God, I just. Nothing fucking matches it. I like. Like sex or drugs or what. Like, I've had no dopamine high quite. Like eating an entire pint of peanut butter s'mores, Ben and Jerry's. I really. And. And to deprive myself of that feels like it makes life less worth living. But also to indulge too heavily to the point where it's not even enjoyable anymore is also so. I don't know. There's all. I find a great joy in exercise. Like, I like lifting weights. I love walking. I love exercising, but I don't like eating a salad gives me no joy. I don't know. What do you. What do you think? Maddie.

[Maddie]

Okay. I've like, been having this similar issue because I'm like a good eater, you know, And I don't know, I've been. I've been trying to, like, be more healthy, but, like, I will literally, like do the meal prep thing. It takes fucking forever. And then I could sit there and like, eat it all, I feel like. And it's because it's healthy. And then I'm like, not even full, I feel like. But also part of it is definitely just sugar. And it's like another. I don't know, it's another money spending thing in this capitalistic world, you know? Not to sound like that, but sugar is addicting as. And fast food, just the ease that it provides, I guess. But I don't know, I've been struggling. I'm like sitting at. I'm sitting here looking at this pizza and I've eaten one piece and I could easily eat the whole thing, probably. Oh, yeah. But I'm not gonna do it because it's summertime. I need. I need that summer body. So I'm just gonna look at it.

[Lyle]

What are your plans for the summertime? Do you have anything exciting happening?

[Maddie]

You know, I. Well, I'm broke, so I'm gonna do the best I can. But I'm actually. I'm going to LA next week, so I think that'll be fun. I got a friend to pay for my plane ticket, which was pretty baller. So, yeah, I'm just gonna hang out there for a few days. I'm moving this summer, so that should be fun too. But yeah, kind of on a budget, so not much besides just working and saving money. Honestly.

[Lyle]

Your friend. Did your friend pay for your plane ticket out of the kindness of their heart or was there. Were there strings attached?

[Maddie]

Well, there's no strings attached. Her mom is a flight or she used to be a flight attendant. So they get some weird, like, ticket perks now, which I'm super jealous of. But I guess I'm in on it now, so.

[Lyle]

Hmm. Well, Maddie, let me ask you this. Is there anything in particular that you called in to want to talk about?

[Maddie]

You know, not really. I didn't really think you'd answer, to be honest with you. Last stream, I was calling as well because I was on a little road trip driving back home, and you always talk about how you romanticize things in your life, and I was like, definitely having that moment driving home, like, listening to sad music. And then I saw you, like, get on. Get on the stream or whatever. So I was like, damn, Like, I need to talk to him about this. But you know, now I'm already. I'm already back in my current home. So that romantic feeling is gone.

[Lyle]

But you know, it's an interesting thing, romanticizing your life. I think about it, I've been thinking about it recently because there's parts of my life that I romanticize. Like when I'm traveling or doing grand things or talking with my parents or with friends or. There's parts of my life that I certainly romanticize and some of them are like, inherently romantic, like traveling and whatnot. But I, I think the idea of living a wholly romantic life where every second of it is romantic, that there's something exhausting to that. You know what I mean? Like, I like, like almost like, oh, it never. You gotta, you gotta give yourself some time to breathe. You gotta get. That's, that's why eating the cheesesteak in front of my tv, watch like eating the cheesesteak and fries in front of my tv, I want. There is nothing romantic about that at all. And I wouldn't dare attempt to make it romantic because when everything's romantic, it's so grand and lofty and sometimes you just want to fucking be a normal ass. Like just live in normal fucking whatever bullshit life which is eating.

[Maddie]

How do you, how are you supposed to do that though? How do you be normal?

[Lyle]

You know, you just eat a sandwich and watch tv. It's the most. It's the least romantic thing you could do but be. But I try to be in the moment of it and I go, I am so fuck. I actually, I actually I actively de. Romanticize it. I ate it last night. I ate a cheesesteak and fries. And I thought to myself, there is nowhere else on the planet and nothing else I would rather be doing at this exact moment. I am honored. I. You know what I, you know what I'm thinking about right now is I'm actually, I'm talking a lot of bullshit. I actually completely romanticized eating a sandwich. I literally.

[Maddie]

Yeah, like the most normal. Like, it's so normal of you.

[Lyle]

I thought to myself, watching tv, I thought to myself, I. Cuz I sat down. I'm trying not to feel guilty about like whatever. But I mean some, some things you are. You should feel guilty about like, you know, being addicted to the fucking Instagram all day or whatever. But yeah, I was eating this cheesesteak and watching tv and I literally said to myself, I am honored to sit here and eat this and watch a YouTube video about defective sonic plushies or Whatever the fuck bullshit I'm watching. This is a gr. I'm. I am so happy to be doing this right now, which I think actually is romanticizing it. So I'm wrong. I do romanticize eating a sandwich.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

And watching tv.

[Maddie]

Well, it's hard. It's hard to catch yourself doing something normal and then not being like, oh, I'm doing it. Look, I'm doing it. And then once you notice you're doing it, it's not really normal anymore, in my opinion. I don't know. Maybe that's the first steps to become a human.

[Lyle]

I'm back. I'm always back and forth between, like, oh, life is this infinitesimal, crazy event that I'm experiencing in the middle of two walls of oblivion that are all the time before I was born and all the time after I die. And I should spend this little speck of time in oblivion doing, like, be trying to be amazing and romantic all the time, you know? But that's too much to ask. It's too much to ask to do it all.

[Maddie]

Well. Yeah. I have this issue where I, like, well, I guess it's romanticizing. I set myself up like I'm in a movie or something. And that might sound, like, so selfish and like, oh, my God.

[Lyle]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Can I stop you real quick? Because immediately. Yes, I'm. I'm curious. You immediately went negative with what you're saying. You immediately said it was a problem, and you said it was selfish. Why do you feel it is either of those things inherently? Why did you.

[Maddie]

Well, I feel like. I think it's just like you, like, us, as individual humans, would like to think the things around you are happening because of you or for you. But, like, obviously it's not. You know, it's just like, the world and randomness. And I, like, will inherently be like, oh, this. This was a sign or something, or when it really was just, like, something random that happened. I can't even think of an example, honestly. But, like, I will sit there and, like, I guess it's not even, like, jumping to conclusions, but just kind of. You're imagining things in my mind, I guess. I don't know.

[Lyle]

Well, I don't think. I don't think that's inherently bad. You're basically. What you're doing is you're like, life is chaotic and random and has no narrative or order to it. But. And you are choosing to take this chaos and craft a narrative from it. So, I mean, that's what you're doing. You're crafting a narrative. And I guess if you want to be a nihilist, you could say that the narrative you're crafting. Yes. Is built on a foundation of, you know, chaos and inherent meaninglessness. But I think it's good to craft a narrative. I don't think it's selfish. I think it's, it's, it's something to cling to. You know, you're, you're creating something to cling to within the chaos. And I. This is gonna sound like woo, woo, but it's kind of amazing that as human beings we ha. We can do that. You know, that's like a weird like godly gift to create your own narrative from this chaos. So I don't think it's selfish. I think it's like, it's. You're like tapping into your higher existence when you. Yeah, I feel like as your own narrative.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

I mean as long as you're not being a dick. As long as you're not like, you know, being a fuck. I don't know, I'm trying to think of an example. Like as long as you don't think every single thing is about you all the time and just being like a fucking asshole.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I don't think I'm an asshole at this point, but maybe one day I'll become one. I think I feel like people get a little bit more assholey as they get older. I haven't met many people that are like, oh, I was such an asshole back then and now I'm better. Like I feel like it was like it's the other way around for most people.

[Lyle]

Why do you, why do you think people get. Become assholes as they get older?

[Maddie]

Oh man, I don't know. I feel like it's just like it's, it's more of like I've been there, done that sort of situation. It's, I've been through more and it's kind of, it's easier to like jump to conclusions. I feel like it's like the same reason why like, like my grandparents are. I don't know it like they, I guess they're just like less accepting of things. Whereas I'm like, why would you really care about something that doesn't even affect you? You know? But also I've, you know, I've met some people that have like really cleaned up and like have been on a non asshole journey I guess. But I, I don't know, I just feel like that's kind of the way it goes.

[Lyle]

It's always Anytime I see. I've probably said this on the podcast before, but anytime I see, like, a. You know when you see, like, an. Like, an elderly person, like, yelling at a customer service person? And you're. Every time I see that, I'm like, Dude, you had 80 fucking years to figure this out. How are you still at, like, you're at, like, level zero of consciousness right now when you're doing that? And.

[Maddie]

Right.

[Lyle]

You're. And how did you get. How are you at, like, how are you 80 fucking years old and you're at, like, level zero still? It's crazy.

[Maddie]

Yeah. I. I'm a cashier at the moment, and I literally sell T shirts, and I deal with that every single day. Like, someone will walk in and dislike something about a T shirt and then, like, stand there and argue with me. Like, they're like, I'm holding them hostage. And, like, there have been multiple times where I have to be like, you can leave. You know, you. I'm not asking you to buy anything. But I don't know, people. It's kind of a power move, I feel like, for some of those old people. But it's. It's also like. I mean, it's not even just old people that I run into. Like, it could be anyone, and you never know who it's gonna be either. It's kind of crazy. I don't understand. Like, I don't know. I've. I've had a. I've worked customer service, like, pretty much my whole life, I feel like. But I've never been, like, in a situation where I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm so excited to bitch at this worker right now. Like, that's what I'm gonna do when.

[Lyle]

I walk in, I guess.

[Maddie]

And I don't know. I don't know where that comes from.

[Lyle]

It probably comes from, like, they don't. I assume that they don't have a lot or, like, that all their friends and family are, like, dead or, like, they don't have. I don't know. I don't know how people end up like that. I really don't. I mean, also, we grew up differently because we. We exist at this weird turning point in society. Oh, man.

[Maddie]

Yeah, this is definitely a weird time. I don't even want to get into that, honestly. That's all anyone talks about. You know what I mean? And that's all I. That's all I talk about at work, too. It's like, oh, the. The economy. And I'm like, yeah, I don't even. Yeah, I have like, no money saved. That's all I have to say. Like, that's all I have to add to that.

[Lyle]

I guess I was, I was talking less about the economy, more about just like technology in general.

[Maddie]

Yes. Yeah, you're right.

[Lyle]

You're right. We don't. I mean, if you had something you wanted to say about that, we can. You can say it.

[Maddie]

No, I mean, honestly. So, I mean, I guess like a little context into my life. I just graduated college with a communications degree because I ran out of time to figure out what I actually wanted to do and money. So I was like, let me just get something out of this, you know? And my whole little background was film production, but I somehow made it through without ever figuring out how to like, use a camera or like all this very important stuff. So now I'm like out here in the real world being like, yeah, I like film production. And then it's like, oh, yeah, I don't use a camera. Oh yeah, I don't know how to edit, you know, and like, this is stuff that I could easily teach myself how to do. And for some reason it's like, I don't, I don't know, I just don't feel like it. But I also, like, don't know what I like. And I guess that's kind of where I am right now. And especially with technology, like, like there's all these things that people are like, oh, you need to know how to do this and that. Like the amount of times someone's told me to make a fucking LinkedIn account, I'm like, dude, why can't I just like sell apples or something?

[Lyle]

Well, a few things to. That is. I, Yeah, I talk about this a lot. I also went to film school and yeah, they make you watch old movies and they don't actually teach you anything.

[Maddie]

No, I wasted my money. And my teachers, they didn't really. Not to throw them under the bus because I had a good time, but like, they didn't know how to do anything either because I feel like that's kind of like an ever changing industry, you know, and they're all like, pretty old.

[Lyle]

Yeah, no, yeah, they're, they're, they. The film school. I'm just, I got, I've been on this rant 8,000 times. But yeah, the film school track is like the people who like teach at film school. Usually they'll be like, yeah, I've been working on the same documentary for seven years and we're gonna try to get a grant for. And it's Just, they're just in a universe that is not the universe of that media is actually consumed in. But anyway, so why. Why do you just want to sell apples? Why can't you sell apples?

[Maddie]

I mean, I guess I could, but like, then I also have this thing where like I. I obviously want to be like comfortable one day, you know, and like not having to. I feel like if you sell apples, you just sell. You have to sell apples for the rest of your life to survive. And I don't want to be old selling apples.

[Lyle]

Interesting. What do you.

[Maddie]

But I would like to. I would like to be young and sell apples, like right now.

[Lyle]

Okay, well, what do you. Why not? I guess I don't. I don't see why you. How old are you now? You 22?

[Maddie]

I'm 23. Yeah.

[Lyle]

Fucking go sell apples. Why not?

[Maddie]

Yeah, maybe I will. I guess it's more of the. It's kind of this. I was actually talking to my co worker about this today. The fear feeling of like, oh, like I am gonna be like, I'm gonna be like a middle aged person one day, like hopefully, you know, and that's like a. That's. That's kind of new to me, I guess, because, I don't know, I was like, really around up until like right now, like this year pretty much. And now like not to get all like existential, I feel like, but it's just like, damn, like, this is real, you know?

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

Like I can't just like, I guess I could go home, but I. That's not, that's not the plan at all, you know?

[Lyle]

Yes, I know what you mean. I remember, I think it was 2019. I had my. Yeah, when I was in 2019, I had my existential crisis of like, oh, shit, this is real. And I'm going to have to make money and have like a job. Like have a job and figure out life. I think I was 20, 21. And you know, up until then it's like I had just been. I was in high school and I was making movies and doing stand up and then I went to film school, which as you know, is nothing. And then I had a. Like, I know I was, I was like, you. And I was like, oh, I've just been like fucking around and kind of getting to do whatever I want for 21 fucking years and I'm gonna graduate soon and shit's gonna get real. And then I just. I mean, I just got really lucky and now I'm. Now I. Now I do a podcast.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

You know how Is that.

[Maddie]

How's that going for you? Do you like it? Or is there something else that. Are you like. Oh, damn it. Now I have to do this fucking podcast again.

[Lyle]

In this very moment, I. I'm enjoying our conversation. I think it's because I'm on a little bit of caffeine, and it's also. It's your easy person. I think you're an easy person to. To talk to. I like, because some, you know, I like. I appreciate callers who will let me just go on really long rants uninterrupt.

[Maddie]

Oh, yeah. I didn't even think you were gonna. I didn't think I was gonna get on, so I'm, like, not prepared at all.

[Lyle]

Okay. That's okay. That's okay. There's nothing to prepare for. How's it going? It's going good. There's other things I want to do, but I. I'm enjoying. I mean, it's nice. It's nice to get to talk to so many people, you know, it's been. It's been great. Before this, my pla. I had a plan, though. My plan was that I was going to. I had been, like, helping, like, some of my dad's friends with, like, doing video, like, helping them. They ran, like, their own, like, law firms, and so I was helping them, like, make their. Make YouTube videos and Facebook videos to promote their law firms. And so that what. That was my plan. My plan was I was gonna be, like, a social media manager for, like, dentists and lawyers and, like, small businesses. And I was gonna. The plan was I was gonna do that to make money and then on the side, make my own videos and stuff.

[Maddie]

Yeah, that's kind of my plan right now. Honestly, I'm just, like, praying I can get a social media type job, at least to say I use my degree for a few years, and then maybe I'll, like, magically figure out what I am, like, actually super into.

[Lyle]

I mean, you want to. You want to pick what is what. When you say you want to sell apples, is that like a. Are you being specific or is that a. Is that is. Does sell apples? Is that a broad way of saying do something simple and, you know, real?

[Maddie]

You know, I. It's. It's more of just like a. Like a space filler, I guess, because, like, my. My biggest problem is that I really. I have, like. This sounds so depressing, but I have no passions. I feel like. Like my. When you were sitting there talking about, like, literally just eating and watching YouTube, I've seriously considered I'm like, should I do mukbangs? Like, should I get famous for, like, being a fat ass or something? But, like, selling apples is just like a, you know, like, my. Just my blank spot for trying to figure out, like, what the fuck I actually want to do. Because right now I sell T shirts, and I'm like, if I was getting paid, like, 10 more dollars an hour, I, like, this would be fine. You know what I mean? And that's like, kind of. I don't know. I want to be like, oh, like, let me aspire to be something great, but, like, also, like, if I'm making money and doing an easy job, like, I feel like I cannot complain. You know what I mean?

[Lyle]

Yeah, I. I know exactly what you mean. I've been thinking about that a lot. I genuinely have. I've been thinking a lot about, like, you know, I mean, there's infinite different ways to live life and you don't. And you can actually even kind of weave in and out of phases of your life.

[Maddie]

Oh, yeah?

[Lyle]

Where? Where? Like, at some. I guess. Yeah. The thing I've been thinking about is, like, is it okay to just fucking live, or do you always have to be, like. You're talking about, like, striving to be great and striving to do a mate, be amazing. You know, it's a lot of pressure to.

[Maddie]

And I do. I think it's. I think it's totally fine to, like, have a humble living and, like, live your life. Yeah. But I guess. I guess kind of with, like, you know, I'm always on the Instagrams and the whatevers, and it's just like, you see these people doing, like, insanely crazy things, like, in your face all fucking day, and it's like, God damn it. Like, I'm sitting here, like, hitting my vape in the back of this T shirt shop, like, waiting for someone to walk in.

[Lyle]

Our fucking brains are not. We're not meant to be. I really do. I really feel you on. On. On all these things that you're talking about. They're all things I've been thinking about because I. I'm also on Instagram, seeing people do cool things, and I'm like, I should be doing more cool things. You know, our breath.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

Our fucking brains are not meant to be doing this shit. Like, we were. We were supposed to, like, live our own lives, and because we had no other reference point, just be like, oh, the best thing you could do with your life is dig holes in the dirt for 80 years, and in some way, Some, in some ways it, it's a negative that we're exposed to fucking literally everything all the time. And then in some ways it's positive because it could be, you know, inspiring to do.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

You know, in some way, I guess it, I guess with a lot of shit, it just kind of depends on how you look at it. Well, okay, so when, Pete, when you're having everything shoved in your face on the computer, are there things in particular that jump out at you where you're like, I wish I was surfing. Or I don't, whatever it is.

[Maddie]

You know, I, so I like, I like to watch the, like, travel vlogs or whatever. But also another weird thing is that like, like, when given the opportunity to, like, leave the country or like, you know, I had all these, like, study abroad opportunities in college. Like, I'm just like, no. Like, I don't know, I, I don't have a passport. Like, I've never left the country. And like, I also don't have, like, a dying urge to do so. And I'm like, is that weird? Because everyone's like, oh, you don't want to go on this little trip with me to this other country? And I'm like, like, I don't know. I, I feel like I, I, I, I find some comfort in sitting there and just, like, watching other people do shit. But then, like, every now and then I'll be like, oh, my God, like, at least just, like, get up and open a window or some shit, you know, like, feel, feel some real air on you. Like, you don't have to, like, go hop on a plane right now, but, like, figure something out. I don't know.

[Lyle]

I don't know. I don't think it's, it's easier to.

[Maddie]

Get down on yourself when, when all of that is happening. It's just like, where should I even start, I guess.

[Lyle]

Well, that, I don't know. I mean, is it just like a sense of like, oh, feeling guilty because you're not doing enough? Or is it like, oh, I actively, I mean, you, it sounds like you don't actively want to do any of that.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I guess it's more like, should I feel like I want to be doing this with everyone else's, but, like, I wouldn't even know that everyone else is if I wasn't so just like, on my phone. You know what I mean? It's really that damn phone.

[Lyle]

Like, but, well, here's an, here's another thing to think about. God, I am. I'm such a hypocrite. With this. But I've been thinking about it because I'm also at a, like a little inflection point where I'm trying to figure out, you know, my passions and dive deeper into them. But it's like the, the, the action. I'm as I am. If you saw how I spent my day today, you would kill me for saying this, but it. I. But you have to believe in the idea, not the fact that I scrolled Instagram for like five fucking hours today. The action predicates the, the motivation. You know what I mean? Okay, so like, so, like, look, you're never gonna know if you, like, traveling abroad or doing whatever the fuck these things or selling fucking apples unless if you, like, go do it, you know?

[Maddie]

Right?

[Lyle]

So I mean, give it. If you can give it a shot. Give it, you know, give it a shot.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

And then you'll see and then, and then it's nice, right? Because if you go to France or whatever and you get there and you're like, I really wish I was eating a sandwich and watching TV right now, then great, you did it. You have verifiable evidence that you don't actually want to do any of this shit. I don't know. I don't know where I stand on that site. I, I've been think. I really, truly. What's her name? Maddie? Matt. I really, truly have been thinking about this a lot lately. About, like, feeling guilty because you feel like you should want something but then not inherently craving it. And I don't know where I land on it. I think I land on the idea that the action predicates the motivation. And then, you know, you do shit and then fucking just gotta do it. Yeah, I think that. I think that's where I ultimately land on. Because you don't want to be. You don't want to be like 80, because like you said, as you realized you will be old and you don't want to. You don't want to regret things. But it's also so fucking. I'm realizing this. It's also so fucking easy. If you're 80, it would be really easy for you to go. I swear on my Life, if you're 80, it would be really easy for you to go. You know, I spent my life eating sandwiches and watching TV, and honestly, at the age of 80, now that it's all over, I had a great time doing that. And then die. Why not? What? Why not? Why not? Everyone talks about the deathbed like it's such. And this is all very Demotivational. But I really have been thinking about that, because, you know, what if you got. I really. Because when I sit down and I eat a sandwich, I was just telling you, when I eat the fucking sandwich and the fries and I'm watching a YouTube video of. Of 10 facts you didn't know about Zelda Skyward Sword, I really can. I really have tapped into this ability in this moment to be like, what an honor it is to eat of this bread and watch of this YouTube video. What an honor it is. And I. And I think when I'm on my deathbed, I could, like, if I died tomorrow, you know, I don't think I would regret the time I spent doing that. I mean, I'd like to. I'm very happy that I got to also go on lots of adventures and have great relationships and with friends and do work that I was proud of and whatnot. And I. And I, I. I ultimately would like to do more of those things and less eating sandwiches and watching tv. But if it ended up that all you ever did was eat sandwiches and watch tv, you. You could. You could feasibly make peace with that in a way that wouldn't be absurd. You know, there's really.

[Maddie]

There was really no other time, like, in human history where someone could do that, you know?

[Lyle]

Yeah. Yeah. Basic humanity, right? Is. Is. Is like, what, you have parents, right? Like, do you have a good relationship with them?

[Maddie]

Yeah, like, yeah, we're all right.

[Lyle]

Do you have friends?

[Maddie]

Yeah, sorta. I definitely have friends. I guess that's another thing, like, since I've moved, I've. I've been in a different state now for, like, four years now, and it's been a lot harder to make friends for some reason. Like, I feel like the older you get, the harder it is to just be like, you want to hang out after this or something, you know? But, yeah, I. I have a. I have a solid little group of people, and I have some friends that are going to move with me in the summer. But. And you know, I say all this, like, shit, like, oh, I don't know what I want to do, but, like, I am also a very lucky person. And I've. I've, like, made it this far, you know, so something will work out.

[Lyle]

I mean, again, if you died tomorrow, you could be like, well, I had friends and I had a decent enough relationship with my mom. And yeah, you know, I thought I got to watch YouTube. It was great.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I got to talk to the therapy gecko.

[Lyle]

I. I really. It's I. It's cool getting to talk to you about all this because I swear I. I've been, like, deep in thought about, like, ambition and whatnot. It's a. I'm always there. It's a personal. It's a personal choice.

[Maddie]

Well, you know, I also will say, I used to be like, you know, when I first. When I first left my hometown and like, my freshman year of college, like, I. I graduated high school 2020, so I. The whole Covid thing was happening and literally, like, it was like, rock bottom for me. I was literally sick every day. I went to college and lost like £50. And I like, came back looking sickly or whatever. And like, now I. I work 9 to 5 and I go to the gym after and I eat quinoa. So it's like I'm doing something, but then it's like, you know, I don't. I know, right? I'm like, quinoa. But literally, it's like, I. I gotta get. I gotta keep getting better, I guess, in my head and. But I. I have been a lot worse. So it's like, oh, I'm doing. I'm doing good now.

[Lyle]

I have better. And I have this theory. I have this theory. I have not yet experienced it in my personal life, but I. I am optimistically believing that it is possible. My theory is that is possible to achieve things and improve at life and be ambitious without fucking hating yourself. I have not yet experienced. I have not yet personally experienced this, but I have to believe it's possible. Maybe, Maybe it's like, Like, I, like, I. Can you be ambitious from a place of not hating yourself? Because there's a weird, like. Like being ambitious and, like, wanting to, like, improve yourself and do stuff kind of comes with the inherent postulate that you are not enough. And I argue. I have, you know, ambitious friends and I argue with. We kind of talk back and forth about the whole, like, being enough thing. And I'm. I don't, like, I get. I guess, like, if you're, like, unhappy, like, I think it's a weird paradox because, like, you take people who are, like, unhappy and you try to. And you say like, oh, but you are enough as you are. And it's like, well, if I'm enough as I am, why am I fucking miserable? You know?

[Maddie]

Right.

[Lyle]

So on that sense, I, I don't like the, The. The movement of you are enough. But then when I look at it on the flip side, I'm like, well, you never. You never get there. You know, you can have infinite improvement and infinite success and it will never be enough. And so what, you just hate yourself into improvement forever? That's. That also seems fucked to me. So I don't know the answer. The answer lies somewhere in the middle. I haven't figured it out yet, but I think there's, I think there's a balance. It's. It's got to be some balance of the two because if you're just, just accepting that you're enough and you're miserable all the time, then you're. Something's clearly off. But if the opposite is just hating yourself forever, then what kind of life is that?

[Maddie]

You know, I do kind of feel like some of the most like ambitious people in my life also have this like. Like, okay, my best friend, she is in like every college club dean's list every year winning awards all the time for some shit I didn't even know she was doing. But then will tell me like all the time. Like I literally like everything I do. Like I, I hate myself. You know what I mean? And I'm like, how? And I'm like, okay, yeah, me too. But how is this manifesting so differently, like in our two lives? Because when I'm having that like I hate myself thing, I will shut down for weeks and like consider quitting my job and just self destruct, I guess. But she will just keep picking up things and has like an extensive resume. And I'm like, how you know, do you know anyone like that? Do you have anyone like that in your life?

[Lyle]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Maddie]

I don't. I'm like, how did you. How did she get that end of the stick and I didn't, you know, and it's the same with like those ultra running people. Like they'll run for like a hundred miles and be like, yeah, like something super traumatic happened in my life to where this is what I do now. And I'm like, God damn. Like if something traumatic happened in my life, like I'd probably be sitting here eating the pizza still. You know what I mean?

[Lyle]

Yeah. I always think about those like people who don't have arms and legs that like didn't fucking go climb a mountain. You know what I mean?

[Maddie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have arms and legs and I still didn't climb the mountain. But Monday, one day I might, I.

[Lyle]

Don'T, I actually, I'm not gonna say I don't have answers to all these things cuz actually think I do or I don't know. I don't have answers. But I'm. I have theories and I'm working on them. I think, what are they? My current theory is, well, like, I procrastinated all day on making a fucking video. And then once I actually finish, finished it, I felt good. And then I. So I think there's got to be a balance of like, okay, don't procrastinate and like, do the things you want to do and make the things you're trying to make. And then you'll feel better when you make those positive choices and changes. And then from there, yeah, you actually do. Yeah. And then from there, you know, drink as much as you want and gamble and watch YouTube and jerk.

[Maddie]

You mean like, as a reward?

[Lyle]

I don't know. I don't know what I mean. I really don't. But I. I'm.

[Maddie]

Cuz I. I'll do that. I'll do. I'll do one good thing in my day and then I'm like, oh, I can do whatever I want now. Like, for example, I usually go out on Thursdays and do karaoke. And last Thursday I didn't go. And I was like, since I won't be spending money at karaoke, I can go eat four donuts for breakfast today. Yeah, as a reward. And then it's just like, well, that wasn't a reward. You might as well have just gone and done karaoke and spent your money, you know?

[Lyle]

But Nancy, how great would your day be if you went, you took a long walk and you're like, all right, I achieved my fitness goal for the day. I'm gonna go do karaoke. Yes, that's a great day. It's a balance. It's a fucking balance. I answer. I think there's the. I think the like, the capitalist thing of like, you are never enough and you must keep improving is not like there's like something, like, it's somewhere between. There's something like the philosophies of, like, the socialist, you are enough, and everything is fine all the time. Like, there's something in between those two there. Like something we need a balance of the two. There is, I think, one.

[Maddie]

One other thing not to be that guy.

[Lyle]

Go ahead.

[Maddie]

I've recently stopped smoking so much weed. And like, that has been. That's been like the best thing. I think it did make me gain like a ton of weight, which kind of sucks. But also, like, I remember to do things and I don't have like that constant like, oh my God, you fucking suck thing over my head at this point. I still do sometimes. And also, fuck that whole thing where people are like, yeah, weed isn't addicting. Because seriously, like, there was a weird brain switch that happened to me, like, two years ago where, like, all of a sudden I would smoke the tiniest amount of weed and, like, just get scared. And it still happens. And it's happened. It started two years ago. And to this day, I still smoke every day. But, you know, it's just, like, before I go to bed or whatever, because I guess it's sort of just like a ritual I've built in my head. But, like, every day I smoke my weed and get scared and go to sleep, and it's like, man, this is addicting. Like, I don't even know. I don't know what to say. It's definitely not, like, crack or anything.

[Lyle]

It is. It is very hilarious. How many times I've been. Been like, oh, I'm gonna smoke weed before I go to the grocery store. And then I have a panic attack in the grocery store, and then the next day. Dude. And then the next day I'm like, I should fucking smoke weed before I go to the grocery store.

[Maddie]

Well, it sounds so nice. And it used to be, like. I'm telling you, like, in high school, I was literally, like, all day long just, like, high as fuck, hitting the dab pen, smoking joints, hitting the bong or whatever. And now it's, like, one little rip of the bong, and it's, like, ruined my whole day, and I have to go to sleep. I guess that's part of. I've heard that happening, like, to other people, and I guess it's just part of, like. I guess you just hit your limit eventually. But I. If you asked me when I was 17, like, are you gonna be scared of weed randomly one day? I'd be like, why would that happen? You know? Like, I don't know what happened in my brain, but I can pinpoint the exact day it happened, and it's been that way ever since, and I still haven't stopped. I don't know. I don't know what it is, but I have. I have significantly cut down, and it's been super helpful and on the normal side of living, honestly.

[Lyle]

Maddie.

[Maddie]

Mm?

[Lyle]

Is there anything else you want to say to the people, the computer, before we go?

[Maddie]

No, there's not. I really appreciate you picking up.

[Lyle]

Of course. Good luck with your life.

[Maddie]

Thank you.

[Lyle]

You know, everything I was gonna say. I was gonna say everything will probably be fine, but that. Yeah. Why not? Yeah, sure. Yeah, everything will be fine. Everyone. Everything's gonna. Everyone will die, and it'll Be good, because that's. We'll go back. We'll go. We'll return. We'll return to the prodigal son. I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Maddie]

We shall return.

[Lyle]

Thank you for calling, Maddie. I'll see you around the universe.

[Maddie]

Yeah, thanks, Lyle. Bye.

[Lyle]

That was a nice conversation. That was good. I am. Yeah. A lot of those things that Maddie was talking about, I was thinking about a lot. Yeah. I don't know how ambitious you're supposed to be or like, the weird, like, the thing of, like, oh, should I be feeling certain feelings? I don't know. There's probably some book about all this shit that I talk about on this show that is like, here's what you. Here's. Here's what your brain should be doing at all times, and I'll just. One day I'll find it and every. And people will call me and I'll just be like, well, here's what it says in the book that knows everything. Because there's always a fucking book that knows everything. Hey, folks. This episode is sponsored by ChatGPT Finals. Got you cramming, stressing, or freaking out. ChatGPT has got your back. From now through May, ChatGPT plus is free. So there are no limits on all the amazing ways you can ask ChatGPT to help you get things done. It can make a multiple choice quiz from your organic chem notes, visualize the global supply chain as anime, give you some easy ways to get over writer's block and create a festival schedule for Paris for whenever finals are over. ChatGPT plus free for college students now through May. Restrictions apply. Hi. What's your name?

[Tony the Tiger]

Tony the Tiger.

[Lyle]

Tony the Tiger. What's up, Tony the Tiger? What are you doing?

[Tony the Tiger]

Not so much, man. I just finished playing pickleball. Played about an hour and a half of pickleball, so just kind of relaxing for the rest of the night.

[Lyle]

Is there anything in particular that you called in to want to talk about Tony the Tiger?

[Tony the Tiger]

Yeah, man. I just. I'm graduating from medical school in about a month, so kind of a big transition for me. I'm starting residency in July, so it's a big. It's a big thing for me. Big life eventually.

[Lyle]

Are you excited? What are you in residency for? Like, what kind of medicine?

[Tony the Tiger]

So internal medicine. So that's like, you know, when you think doctor, that's like the doctor. Like, you know, like when you go to the hospital, the one that just sees you, rounds on you every day.

[Lyle]

That's cool.

[Tony the Tiger]

You're gonna get kind of, like general medicine type, all right?

[Lyle]

You're gonna get to look inside of a lot of ears.

[Tony the Tiger]

Well, not in the hospital so much. A lot of hospitals don't even have that tool to look in the ears. You just kind of got to bring your own around, and if you don't have it, then you're not looking at any ears.

[Lyle]

Wait a minute. You have to buy. You're like, a teacher at an underfunded school. You have to bring your own shit.

[Tony the Tiger]

I mean, a lot of the hospitals, like, you go in the room, and they don't even. They don't even have like, the tools and stuff on the wall. A lot of times that's more in, like, a clinic. That's more like you go into the clinic, like your primary care doctor to get, like, a checkup for, you know, your strep throat or whatever.

[Lyle]

So you just got, like, a stethoscope in your pocket with your, like, phone and keys and vape and. And you bring it into the hospital.

[Tony the Tiger]

I. I try to stay away from that vape. I've had a couple of classmates that pulled out their vape in the hospital. Like, we're walking through the ER and they just start vaping. I'm like, dude, gonna get kicked out of here. Like, stop it. Stop fucking vaping. Like, just walking by a patient room, and they just put. It's just, like, automatic because, like, the nicotine addiction, they think. Do it without thinking about it, you know?

[Lyle]

How was medical school? It sounds like it was easy.

[Tony the Tiger]

Oh, it was the easiest four years of my life, for sure.

[Lyle]

Tell me more.

[Tony the Tiger]

No, it was. It was super hard, man.

[Lyle]

The.

[Tony the Tiger]

I would say the first year, what was the hardest? I think you've mentioned that you have friends who were in med school or something, but.

[Lyle]

Yeah, I do. I have. One of my best friends is. Is about to start his residency.

[Tony the Tiger]

Okay. So you know. You know a little bit about it, but for the. The listeners, whatever. It's like, first year is when you have, like, all the classes at once. You got, like, anatomy, like, your general class where you learn how to, like, treat patients and be a doctor. And then I'm at a do school, so osteopathic medicine, so you have to do, like, spinal manipulation stuff. So that's another class. You're doing all that at once, and it's just freaking brutal. Like, people, like, either, like, turn to, like, drugs that first semester, or they, like, like, try to, like, you know, fuck the classmates. Like, there was a lot of, like, relationships that popped up like the first semester that was this is. Everyone was like really stressed, you know, and trying to like doing it out.

[Lyle]

Doing, doing drugs and trying to fuck your classmates. Sounds pretty standard, no?

[Tony the Tiger]

Oh, that's, yeah, that's pretty standard. That's pretty standard stuff.

[Lyle]

So that was like across all disciplines.

[Tony the Tiger]

Oh yeah. Even if you're like, you know, an accountant school, you're also trying to your classmates. So it's, it's across all disciplines, but that's the hardest semester. And then it like once you figure out how to study, you just kind of coast from there and you're just kind of chilling. Trying to get to third year when you're actually. Third year is like when you do your clinicals and you actually like get to go out. You have to like, you know, sit in your apartment for 12 hours a day by yourself, like eating grubhub. Every day you're actually out in the hospital like doing things. That was my like first year was just like ordering grubhub and studying. So I got like freshman at 15, you know.

[Lyle]

Are you excited to be a doctor? That's so real. That's such a real job. It's an interest. It's an interesting thing because like, like the previous caller that we talked to.

[Tony the Tiger]

I didn't hear that, but yeah, she.

[Lyle]

Was kind of like, oh, like what am I gonna be doing when I'm 50? And I also have that thing and I have some friends who I'm also like, what the hell are we gonna be doing when we're like old and shit and. But what you're doing is interesting because you kind of know you're. How old are you?

[Tony the Tiger]

30S? I'm in my early 30s.

[Lyle]

Early 30s, so. But you kind of know what you're going to be doing for the entire rest of your life.

[Tony the Tiger]

Yeah, you, you generally know like each day is different. That's why like I like medicine. Because you're not doing the same, necessarily the same thing over and over because you're seeing different patients every day. So but you generally know what you're going to be doing and you have like pretty good job security I'd say, because you actually like have like a sought after skill. But you know, it's kind of like, I think like coding, you know, is another one where you have like job security because you have like a sought after skill and stuff like that. So there's a lot of jobs where it's like, you know, you know what you're going to be doing, like you said, until you're like 50, you don't have, like, any, you know, there's no blackness, you know, kind of in front of you for what your career is going to be like.

[Lyle]

Do you like that?

[Tony the Tiger]

I do like that. I think it's. It just gives you, like, it takes one more stress out of life. Like, you know, there's a lot of people who have jobs where, like, they're not sure. I worked at a job where I was, like, not sure if I was going to get laid off. Not, not certainly fired, but, like, laid off. And I think a lot of people have that in their careers, and it could be any type of job. You know, even doctors can get laid off, but, like, there's less of a chance of that, especially if you're at, like, a hospital that's kind of more rural. So I, I do like that. But, yeah, I just, you know, and I, I don't really. I think, like, it's not the only way to go in, in your life, you know, like, there's tons of different career pathways you can go where you have job security and doesn't require, like, an extra seven years of school, you know, so it's like, I just did it because I couldn't see myself doing anything else, you know, That's a great.

[Lyle]

Reason to do it. Can AI replace doctors or are you guys good?

[Tony the Tiger]

Dude, I was literally thinking about that today because I, I saw a meme, or not meme, but like, a post about the Medtronic. The company has, like, a new robot where they're. They're able to do, like, the surgery, general surgeries, like appendectomies and stuff, like, where you take your appendix out with, like, the same error rate as, like, a regular surgeon. But the robots aren't actually robots. They're being controlled by the surgeon, like, remotely. So there's no, there's no autonomous robots at this point, even remotely doing surgery. So it's going to be a long time. The first thing to go, I think, is going to be like, radiology, because you're, like, looking at X rays and there's like pattern recognition software, you know, and then same thing for, like, pathology where you're just, like, looking at microscope slides. You're just looking for patterns. So I think that's another thing that could be the. The next one for AI, but just for like, a regular doctor where you're just like, you need empathy, you need to talk to the patient, talk to the family, make decisions on the fly. That. I think that's going to be a little harder.

[Lyle]

Hmm.

[Tony the Tiger]

Does that make sense or.

[Lyle]

Yeah. Yeah, it does. Like, you know, you want. I mean, yeah, part of your job is, like, talking to people and doing stuff that I guess a robot can't do. Yeah.

[Tony the Tiger]

Yeah. And maybe at some point we'll have, like, freaking matrix robots that just, like, take over and they're the doctors, but I don't know if they'll be evil or maybe they won't want to treat humans. So I don't. I don't know about that, but maybe at one point we'll have that. I don't know. It's going to be a long time, probably. I don't think in our lifetime, Lyle. I think it's going to be way past when we're alive, that that's going to be fully, like, autonomous robots doing surgery. That's my opinion. But.

[Lyle]

Well, that. Are you excited for that? I mean, like, do you feel like they'll be better?

[Tony the Tiger]

I. I really think, like, the biggest thing that patients, like, say to me that they like about me is that I'm, like, generally pretty personal. They're like. They're like. I'm, like, the nicest person to come in the room all day and just talk to them. And, you know, human touch is another thing. So, like, I don't know if you ever had a doctor that just went in and, like, didn't even touch you, like, do a physical exam, and you're like, what the Is that? Like, did he even do anything or she even do anything? So it's like, that's a big part of being a doctor, is, like, the human compassion, human touch aspect. So, I mean, do you want, like, a cold, like, silvery robot hand doing a physical exam on you? You know, or. I guess they could. They could do, like, a warming thing of the hand with the robots, but I don't know. I think the human side is, like, a big thing, so I'm not really excited for that to be a thing.

[Lyle]

It'll be interesting when, like, you have kids who grew up with robots, you know?

[Tony the Tiger]

Well, it'd be like Elysium, like that movie with Matt Damon where they just go up into the sky.

[Lyle]

What's that movie?

[Tony the Tiger]

Elysium, where the. The rich people just, like, go get into a pod with robots and they just are, like, automatically healed, but the poor people don't have access to that. So it could be like that someday.

[Lyle]

I think. I think. I think I got to stop talking about AI So much.

[Tony the Tiger]

Yeah, man. But, yeah, just. Yeah, I'm excited to do it for residency. I'm excited to be a doctor, I don't have to walk into a room and say, I'm this. I'm student Dr. Tony the Tiger. And I can just be like, I'm Dr. Tony the Tiger. I can just actually be more confident.

[Lyle]

You know, I forgot that you started this call by saying that you were Tony the Tiger.

[Tony the Tiger]

Well, dude, Tony Tiger, so he's a forgotten mascot. So I want to bring.

[Lyle]

See, I. When. Honestly, when you said that, I thought you were gonna be kind of a dumbass troll, but you're actually, like, a smart guy.

[Tony the Tiger]

I was just trying to come up with a name, dude. I just popped into my head. I was just coming up with a stupid name.

[Lyle]

Tony the Tiger.

[Tony the Tiger]

I don't want to troll you, dude. I've been listening you. You were one of the podcasts that been getting me through med school, dude. I started listening to you my first semester in med school. And like, when I'm just, like, vibing out, chilling after test, dude, I just listen for, like, four hours.

[Lyle]

Yeah.

[Tony the Tiger]

And just, like, chill. So I thank you. You. Can I. Can I shout out a couple other of my podcasts that got me through the tough times?

[Lyle]

Go ahead, Go ahead.

[Tony the Tiger]

Bad friends. Bobby Lee, my boy Andrew Santino. I know Bobby Lee was on your. Your podcast and then the Ovon this past weekend. He's. He's a cool, cool dude. So those ones have been great, dude. And then I got into Dr. Drew after seeing. Seeing him on your podcast also.

[Lyle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tony the Tiger]

So let's. Yeah, there's just like, you gotta have. Anyone's thinking about doing some sort of hard graduate degree. Not just med school, anything. You gotta have, like, some sort of outlet. You know, the weather's, like, chilling, listening podcast. I just would go for a three, four mile walk and just listen to therapy Gecko. Just kind of chill and get out, like you said. You always say, get outside. Like, that's. Anyone can just go outside. Just walk outside.

[Lyle]

You know, kind of like bringing this back to the previous conversation that I just had. And I know you weren't there for it, but it was a lot about, like, ambition versus not. And talking to you is interesting because the world does require the. The continued existence of the human. You know, what's fucking. Oh, man. Okay, hold on. I'm about to fuck my mind. The continued existence of the human race is kind of dependent upon people having ambition because we need people like you to be ambitious enough to go become doctors. So if everyone decided that watching TV and eating sandwiches was enough, we'd be fucked.

[Tony the Tiger]

But also, we would be living in this. Yeah, sorry.

[Lyle]

But also, also on top of that, I kind of have a little part of me that goes, you know, what if the human race died out because we all got lazy and decided that eating sandwiches was enough and then we all died? Maybe it kind of really was enough and we could all just die. That's insane. I'm insane. I got. Stop talking like this. I really. You've been listening to me. What's, what is this? Okay, You've been listening to me go crazy for a month. What does that sound like to you? Am I insane?

[Tony the Tiger]

Dude, I love it. I know you're just. Because you've been traveling a lot and you've been, like, probably really tired and just like, had the opportunity to be like, thinking all the time because you're, I think I'm assuming, like, you're traveling alone a lot of times. So you just. When you have the time to think by yourself, sometimes you just go into spirals. I think everybody does that. Like, I've been doing that my third year med school because I don't talk to anyone. I just go to the hospital and come home and I just think about. So it's like, it's not. You're not going crazy, dude. You're just thinking a lot and you're probably thinking yourself into, like, just a bunch of spiraling dark holes, bro. It doesn't sound. You're definitely different than you were, but you're. I still love listening to you. Like, you, you're just changing with, you know, with your experiences and stuff.

[Lyle]

It's scary, though. I don't want to be different than how I am. I know. I, I, I've thought myself into. I've, I've kind of. It feels almost as though I've irreversibly thought myself into. Like today I was just, I was on, I was procrastinating and I was like asking ChatGPT if science could verifiably deny that we are living in a simulation. And like that. And I was really, I really like, like, like people say, like, like, like people get high and say, like, oh, could we be living in a simulation? But like, I felt that I really, I really was like, for a, for a while still, I'm like, oh, are we living in a simulation?

[Tony the Tiger]

But that's how you. My quick thought on that. It's like, there's a dude, I used to listen to you on, on SiriusXM, and he would just be like, well, who the cares if we're living in a simulation? You still have. You're still living, just enjoying like the experience. Like everyone dies. Like, just enjoy it while you're here. And there's probably no way that you're ever gonna know if you're living in a simulation. So just keep going. Just have fun. Go out with friends, you know, do fun things, travel like you do, talk to people and just enjoy it, you know?

[Lyle]

Yeah. All these things I think about. All these things I'm thinking about. You're not supposed to be thinking about them for too long.

[Tony the Tiger]

Yeah, you might. You might have gotten a little bit too deep into the.

[Lyle]

I think that's what I got. A little bit too deep outside of the matrix. Yeah, there's no. There's no bottom. There's no end, you know, getting, you know, reading. Like, I don't read books. I. I don't read books. I ADHD scramble around Wikipedia and I was doing that today. I was ADHD scrambling around Wikipedia, like looking at like the Wikipedia page of. Of consciousness and of like. Oh yeah, like shit like that and like looking at like, like skimming through the Wikipedia pages of like, philosophers. I was doing that today and like reading about like theories of consciousness and it felt important to like, dive into a little bit. But you don't. You'll. You'll. It'll. It'll kind of. If you go too deep into that, it'll kind of ruin your life.

[Tony the Tiger]

I know, it'll be like, like athletes or something. Or like, I love Jamie Foxx. I just Wikipedia Jamie Foxx over and over.

[Lyle]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Tony the Tiger]

I just Wikipedia like fun, fun things. Have you ever done Wikipedia races?

[Lyle]

Yeah, I used to do that on stream. But no, if you go too deep into like existentialist thoughts and theory and stuff, it just will ruin. It ruined my life for a little bit. I'm trying to get out of it and I actually think I will. I think the key to getting out of it is you just got to do. You just got to be in your life. You got to have responsibilities. You gotta. I mean, you're a great example of a real person because you have so many, like being in residency. I mean, you don't have time to think about fucking like what happens after we die. Because you're so in life.

[Tony the Tiger]

That's really microwaving frozen meals over and over. That's my life.

[Lyle]

That's the key. You got to be in your life in some way, shape or form. Whether it's being with people or do. Working or whatever. You gotta be in your life because.

[Tony the Tiger]

If you, if you gotta go do something real. Like, you gotta do something real solid, objectively real that can get like. Don't just sit in your room. I know people. I've been that way before when I've been depressed. I just want to sit in my room. But you just gotta force yourself to go out and do things, you know, which is easier said than done.

[Lyle]

But I've had too little responsibility because I was touring and traveling for a while, and now that I'm. Now I'm not. And I think I've had too little response. My responsibility has become too little now that I'm wrong.

[Tony the Tiger]

Have some kids. Have a few.

[Lyle]

I thought. I literally thought about that. I thought about that. I'm like, should I just have a. But that's a dad. That's a bad reason to have a kid.

[Tony the Tiger]

No, I know. Don't have kids. Maybe get, like, a goldfish or something.

[Lyle]

I know you have. Once you. Yeah. If you have too little responsibility, you start thinking. And I'm actually. I mean this. I'm. I am glad that I don't think this will last forever. I'm optimistic that I'll. I'll heal myself. But I'm glad I had this little era in my life because I think it's an honor as a human being to get to this point where you're so did, like, in the, like, conscious of these crazy kind of terrifying existential things. Like, because I do believe I'll be able to, like, see it and then go back to, like, let me stop at a stop sign and, like, an Instagram. It's just like, whatever the. Of.

[Tony the Tiger]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

Life.

[Tony the Tiger]

And everybody goes through it. Dude. There's like. I don't know. It's just kind of stupid reference. So there's that episode of Knocko, Malcolm in the Middle where, like, Malcolm, like, goes into, like, the existential crisis and, like, doesn't believe that anything's real and gets, like, super depressed. And, like, his mom's like. She's like, don't worry about it. Reed spent, like, two days in the dryer, just, like, sitting in the dryer, like, thinking about life. So it's like everyone, like, experiences that kind of thing where they're just like, what is life? What the is going on? Some people just experience it later than others. You know, I don't.

[Lyle]

I actually. I don't know if everyone experiences that. I think it's.

[Tony the Tiger]

No.

[Lyle]

No. Like, do you think. No, some people are too. I don't think I genuine. I don't think every single person experience that. Okay. Again.

[Tony the Tiger]

Yeah, yeah, it's hard to talk an absolute. So probably. You're probably correct.

[Lyle]

I mean, like. Okay, again, again, alluding to the previous conversation I just had. We were talking about, like people who are like 80 years old and like, arguing about coupons with people or whatever, you know, I'm talking about like angry 80 year olds. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I think if you're. I think if you're 80 years old and you are arguing with a retail worker, you've probably never had an existential crisis in your entire life. I would gander that that's probably true.

[Tony the Tiger]

If you're like pinching pennies like that, like, what are those people called that are the super couponers or whatever that are like, they try to. They spend hours trying to like, save money on shit with coupons. Those people probably never.

[Lyle]

Yeah, well, not necessarily like people who. Not necessarily like penny pictures, but just people who, like, they, like, are like, you know, concerned with like, complete utter. But if you're 80 years old and you are just concerned about like, complete other bullshit that has fucking, like nothing to do with you, you've probably never had an existential crisis, which is. But so I guess I think.

[Tony the Tiger]

What's another example of that, though? Like, something that has nothing to do with you. That is bullshit. What's. What's one other.

[Lyle]

Let me think. Like.

[Tony the Tiger]

Sorry to challenge you.

[Lyle]

No, no, no, no, you're. This is. It's okay. I'm trying. I'm trying to think of like a concrete examples.

[Tony the Tiger]

I'm trying to think of one too. But I don't know, like, what you're.

[Lyle]

I don't know, like, I don't know, like what you're.

[Tony the Tiger]

Like what someone else is wearing.

[Lyle]

Maybe, like, yeah, sure, sure. Something like that, you know, Or I don't know if you're like, crazy. What. You know. You know what I mean, though? Like, people. Yeah, I know definitely people who've never had existential crazy. So I think by that point, like, if it is kind of. It is weirdly an honor to have like a terrifying existential crisis. I think it's something to push through and eventually be like, okay, I'm gonna go back into the matrix and be. Learn it. Learn how to accept that you'll never have answers to these terrifying questions. And, like, that's fine and okay. And like, just eat your sandwich and do your job and be okay.

[Tony the Tiger]

You know, just eat your fried bologna sandwich and just kind of calm down.

[Lyle]

Eat your bologna sandwich and look at, you know, watch a YouTube video and shut up. You know, it's fine.

[Tony the Tiger]

Yeah, shut the fuck up.

[Lyle]

Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Right? You know, but it's an honor that you ever got. And you. I don't think you can ever fully silence whatever screaming part of your brain is in touch with that. But it's, you know, it's good to have had that at some point in your life before you, you know? Yeah, it's good to have. That's. There's a really. There's a higher being thing to. I sound kind of like a douche, but I. You know, I don't like anyone think.

[Tony the Tiger]

You'Re someone's douche, but I'm sorry, you.

[Lyle]

Cut out just now.

[Tony the Tiger]

Nobody thinks that you're a douche.

[Lyle]

What's your name again?

[Tony the Tiger]

Tony.

[Lyle]

Yeah, okay, well, Tony the Tiger, your phone sucks and I can't. I can't understand. But it's okay. I was gonna end the phone call soon anyway. I like you, Tony the Tiger. You're. You're a cool guy. I'm. I'm happy to live on the same planet as you right now. This is cool.

[Tony the Tiger]

Well, I hope you see you in person someday.

[Lyle]

Yeah, I'll. I'm gonna try to. Where. Where do you live? Like, you don't have to give me your address.

[Tony the Tiger]

Nowhere that you would ever come. It's a. It's a big college campus, but in a state that you'd probably never come to.

[Lyle]

Well, try me. What state?

[Tony the Tiger]

Arkansas.

[Lyle]

Where. What's the biggest city in Arkansas?

[Tony the Tiger]

Lafayette, to someone the other day. No, you talked to someone the other day. Who's from that town?

[Lyle]

What town? Little Rock.

[Tony the Tiger]

Like. No. What's the biggest college? University of Arkansas. That's the big college here.

[Lyle]

What city is that?

[Tony the Tiger]

Fayetteville.

[Lyle]

Fayetteville. Okay. Is there. Is that where you live?

[Tony the Tiger]

Yeah, I'm in this. In this area.

[Lyle]

Is it. What's it like?

[Tony the Tiger]

Dude, it's fucking awesome. There's tons of comedy clubs here. There's bars, and there's big concert venues and stuff. Bobby Lee came here to do a show. We had a bunch of comedians. Nate Bargetti came here.

[Lyle]

I would do a show in Fayetteville, Arkansas. Well, I don't know if anyone would. If people would come. If I get like a hundred people, that could be fun.

[Tony the Tiger]

I mean, it's 40,000 people of this campus. College campus.

[Lyle]

So, Guy, maybe. What's the comedy club there?

[Tony the Tiger]

There's a bunch. There's JJ's live, but then there's the Walmart Amphitheater. Which is like the big outdoor venue where Bobby Lee played.

[Lyle]

I don't know if I have to draw to play. The Walmart Amphitheater, man.

[Tony the Tiger]

Yeah, There's. There's a. JJ's live is probably where you go. There's a bunch of them. These big, big clubs where bands come and comedy people come.

[Lyle]

They're just small venues. I'll try. If you work at JJ's live, hit me up on Instagram.

[Tony the Tiger]

All right, man. Well, nice talking to you, dude.

[Lyle]

Nice talking. You too, Tony. Is there anything else you want to say to the people, the computer before we go?

[Tony the Tiger]

Just keep. Listen to therapy echo. As long as he does it.

[Lyle]

God fucking bless you, Tony. Keep, keep, Keep being. I'm glad. I'm glad that you didn't. I'm glad you did something with your life. I'm very happy about that. Thank you. That you're a doctor.

[Tony the Tiger]

And you as well, sir. Have a good night.

[Lyle]

Bye. Bye. Hello.

[Mike]

Hey.

[Lyle]

Hey. What's your name?

[Mike]

My name is Mike.

[Lyle]

Mike. What's up, Mike? How you doing?

[Mike]

I don't know. I'm at the gym at the moment, so I'm taking a break right now.

[Lyle]

You're at the gym? What are we. What are we working on? Is it a push day, a pull day?

[Mike]

It's leg day and leg day.

[Lyle]

Respect for not skipping leg day. I'm a big leg day skipper.

[Mike]

Oh, no. Yeah. You should not skip leg day at all.

[Lyle]

Just real quick. I'm not on, like, a headset or anything like that, right?

[Mike]

No, I'm trying to find the quietest part in this gym, and it's just like. I think I'm gonna go to the bathroom.

[Lyle]

Sorry. It's all right. Sorry.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Lyle]

How are you. How are your legs? How are your calves?

[Mike]

Oh, I'm dying right now. I'm legit dying.

[Lyle]

Why are you legit dying?

[Mike]

I kind of went a little hard on my squats today. Yeah, I. I did 540 on the squad.

[Lyle]

You did five five? I'm sorry, you say five 40?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

£540?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

So, like, hold on. You squat? Hold on. You squat? £540?

[Mike]

Yes. And like, to give you, like, a picture, like, what my body size is, I'm 5 8, and I'm less than 145 pounds at the moment, bro, there's.

[Lyle]

No way you squat 540 pounds. That's, like, how many of you?

[Mike]

About three, I think. I'm not good at math.

[Lyle]

Is that even physical? Is that physically possible?

[Mike]

It is. It is physically possible. As long as you conditionally train your, your muscle to do it. And then you always up your, your level every time you, you, you work out that muscle, then you'll get stronger.

[Lyle]

Do you. What do your calves look like? Are you ripped?

[Mike]

I'm getting ripped, yeah. Yeah, but my legs look way better than my upper half body right now. So like getting my, my abs back again at the moment.

[Lyle]

Dude, there's no fucking way. You, you're lying to me. You do not squat £540.

[Mike]

I'll send you a video later if you want.

[Lyle]

You know what? Yeah, actually, dude, send me a video of you squatting 540 pounds. Can you do it right now? Actually, yeah.

[Mike]

Wait, okay, you want me to go back to the leg part of it? Do it.

[Lyle]

What do you mean the leg part of it?

[Mike]

No, cuz I'm at the core part of the gym right now, so I have to walk to the.

[Lyle]

Oh, okay. Oh, I thought you had a pre existing video of this.

[Mike]

No, no, no, not yet, but I'll film one just for you.

[Lyle]

You squatted £540 and you didn't even video it to show people?

[Mike]

No, I'm not the show off kind of guy though. I don't, I'm not like literally like 3/4 of people here in the gym or they like take selfies in the gym or like.

[Lyle]

No, no, if you can squat 540 pounds, you get to take a video of it and brag about it. You that you get to do that. You earned the ability to do that. Is this a one rep, Is this, is this a one rep max or are you doing multiple reps?

[Mike]

I do, I do 10 reps. 10, 10 rep. 10 reps, 3 sets. You.

[Lyle]

10 reps. 3 sets of 540. You're lying to me. Yeah, no, I'm not.

[Mike]

I'm not. I promise. Think.

[Tony the Tiger]

I promise.

[Lyle]

What do you, what do you bench?

[Mike]

I'm benching at 250 at the moment.

[Lyle]

250?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

Dude, what do you look like?

[Mike]

I'm okay. Imagine Bruce Lee with long hair.

[Lyle]

You look like Bruce Lee with long hair.

[Mike]

With really long hair. Yes.

[Lyle]

Are you skin, like, are you skinny?

[Mike]

Yeah, I'm slim fit. Yeah, I'm skinny.

[Lyle]

And how much did you say you weigh?

[Mike]

I'm less than £145 at the moment.

[Lyle]

Shut the, Shut up. Shut the fuck up. You are less. Shut up. Dude. You are lying to me. Why? You're less. You're less than 145 pounds right now.

[Mike]

I'm at 582-5-5145 pounds.

[Lyle]

Shut the fuck up. You do not bench 250 pounds and squat 540 pounds.

[Mike]

I'll send you video so you can be shocked for yourself.

[Lyle]

That's not even for like, what? Dude, you're fucking completely lying to me right now.

[Mike]

I'm not. I'm not lying to you, Lyle. I'm not.

[Lyle]

How is that even physically possible?

[Mike]

You just train. I've been training and like, since like last fall. I've been. I've been sticking to my gym regimen since last fall, and I've gotten stronger since. You should have seen me, like, last fall. I was. I was like at 158. And I somehow managed to lose weight during my journey of like working out, like every time.

[Lyle]

Dude. Okay, yeah, I. You know what? I don't even. I was gonna react to it on the podcast, but send me, send me these videos of you doing the. I just for my own personal. I want to see a hundred, a five eight, 145 pound man squatting 540 pounds and benching 250 pounds. Looks like. Because I. I think. What do I bench? I bench like.

[Mike]

What do you think at the moment?

[Lyle]

Let me check. I forget. There's no way. Do you take steroids?

[Mike]

No, I don't. The most I do is. Is actually that energy drink that you drink. Celsius.

[Lyle]

Oh, Celsius. Yeah. So, no. All right. How many. How many Celsiuses are you on when you bench? 100 and whatever. Fucking. When you bench.

[Mike]

Just one. I just do one.

[Lyle]

What do I bench? I'll bench like my max. I don't really like, do the bench. I do like dumbbells. So my max with the dumbbells is like, I'll do like two 60 pound dumbbells. That's like what, 120 pounds?

[Mike]

Yeah. Oh, that's good. So do you do like max rep until you. You fully can't do it and then you do another set until you can't do it again?

[Lyle]

Something like that. It depends. If I'm like really into it, I'll like track all this shit. But lately it's just going to the gym has become like more of a casual thing. I was, I was really. I was really good at like doing it like without fail, three times a week. And then I got. And then I. And then I had an existential crisis and wondered what the point was. But now I'm back, sort of. Not really. I don't know why I said I'm good.

[Mike]

Hey.

[Maddie]

Hey, Lao.

[Mike]

Just so you Know that a lot of people care about you, so, like, we look out for you.

[Lyle]

Well, thank you, man. Thank you. I'm trying to look out for you. You're gonna kill yourself if you keep doing this.

[Mike]

No, no, I'm not gonna kill myself. I know my limit. So it's like, if my body knows when to quit, I'll quit. I'm not going to, like, push myself until, like, I pop a MCL or ACL or something like that.

[Lyle]

Yeah, I don't want to do that, man. Yeah. What's your name again?

[Mike]

Mike.

[Lyle]

Mike Lao.

[Mike]

We've actually met. We've actually met in the Salt Lake show before your last Salt Lake show. Yes. I brought my girlfriend with me and she was. She was the girl that mentioned about the chocolate covered cinnamon gummy bear. I don't know if you remember that, but yeah. We shook your hand with the pictures and you made our night.

[Lyle]

Oh, thank you. Thank you. Oh, that's really nice. That's really nice. She mentioned the chocolate covered cinnamon.

[Mike]

Cinnamon gummy bear.

[Lyle]

Gummy bear. You're not, you're not eating that stuff?

[Mike]

No, no, I'm in this trick diet right now.

[Lyle]

What do you eat?

[Mike]

So I've been really boring with my, with my meal meals lately. I've been just doing like, I alternate between like beef and chicken every other day with rice and then that's it.

[Lyle]

How long you been doing that?

[Mike]

Since last fall.

[Lyle]

And you. And you have no desire to eat something like a chocolate covered cinnamon gummy bear?

[Mike]

I do it at least like on the weekend. Sparingly. But most of the time, yeah, I try, I try and try to fight it. Remember, like that. Have you seen the movie Dodgeball where like, Ben Stiller almost got fat because, like, he was trying to fight his urge to, like, eat the drumstick? Yeah, yeah. I'm like at that moment right now, but I'm. Yeah, my concentration is pretty good right now.

[Lyle]

Oh, help me solve this mystery. Okay. Help me solve this mystery. I go to the Blink Fitness, and at the Blink Fitness, they have for sale, like, these sour rainbow belts.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

And I thought first I was looking at them, I was like, are these like. Is this like protein candy? And it's not. It's just regular ass sour belts. Is there any reason whatsoever from a fitness perspective why you would want to eat that before working out?

[Mike]

So I would not recommend you eating those. I just do like the energy bar. Any energy bar that's like a little over like 20 grams of protein. And then I would just eat that before the Thing. Yeah, because, like. Yeah, my. Yeah.

[Lyle]

The question is, is. Is. Is. Is there a reason why they sell that other than for people who have given up on their way out of the gym?

[Mike]

It's pure marketing. I think it's just like, oh, look. Oh, you're at a gym. Oh, look what else we're selling here. Because, like, they're selling, like, other, like. Like weird stuff that you shouldn't be eating too. Yeah, because just like, the gym that you just stated. Yeah, I have a membership at that particular gym, too. And yeah, they do that shit too.

[Lyle]

What's your take on Bare Bells protein bars?

[Mike]

I actually love it. I highly recommend it.

[Lyle]

Yeah, they're awesome. But here's my problem, I think. Yeah, I eat one for breakfast every morning. I eat a Bare Bells protein bar.

[Mike]

Oh, that's good.

[Lyle]

That's good. That's good.

[Mike]

Have you tried?

[Lyle]

Good?

[Mike]

Yes, yes, it's good. But.

[Lyle]

Okay, because. Because I'm eating it and I'm like, this tastes like a candy bar. I'm. I think I've convinced myself that eating a candy bar for breakfast every morning is somehow not unhealthy. Like, there's got to be a catch.

[Mike]

No, no, no, it's. No, just, like, if you just stick to, like, what you're doing right now or you intermittently go to the gym when you feel like it, and then you're still eating that in the morning. Yeah, I think you'll still be fine. But, like, from, like, the sound of, like, your previous episode, you're just physically active every day. I think you'll. Yeah, you'll be fine.

[Lyle]

I don't know why I'm listening to you. You're lying to me about fucking benching. You're lying.

[Mike]

I'm not. You're gonna get. You're gonna get your videos tomorrow.

[Lyle]

What's your name again?

[Mike]

Mike.

[Lyle]

Mike. I like you, Mike. You're a cool guy.

[Mike]

You're a cool guy.

[Lyle]

Everyone I talked to on the podcast today was. Was. I enjoyed talking to.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. Especially that. That lady that you talked in the first half of this episode. Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed that part of the episode.

[Lyle]

Yeah, she was cool. Yeah. What else? What else? We got it. Let's. We can keep going for however long we want. There's no thing. There's no. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.

[Mike]

Okay, so what else? Oh, and then there's another thing I want to talk about, if that's okay. Yeah, so. So my ex bill pays for my. My subscription on, like, premium channels like Max and Paramount and I still don't have the heart to, like, tell her that I'm still using those accounts that she paid for.

[Lyle]

I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna label that as a victimless crime.

[Mike]

Oh, really? I love that.

[Lyle]

Well, look, dude, I mean, it's not. It doesn't take away. It's not like she. It's not like she. Are you at, like, the max amount of accounts that can be added to the thing?

[Mike]

Yes.

[Lyle]

Oh, really?

[Mike]

Yeah, like, yeah, like, my name is still on the account, like, for the said username for all, like, the prime video, the Paramount plus Mac, Netflix. Yeah.

[Lyle]

Damn, dude. Her new. Her new guy is gonna be like, who the fuck is Matt?

[Mike]

Right, exactly.

[Lyle]

What's your icon? What's your icon on it?

[Mike]

An alien, like, for one of them. And then, like, I have the main guy from the Last of Us from, like, Max, and, like, I have a random puppy from my Paramount.

[Lyle]

I'm gonna. I think it's. I think. You know what? Look, here's the thing. If you want to be Jesus Christ, right? And some. Some people, if you want to be the like. Like Ned Flanders, like, I commit. You know, if you want to be a man of, like, complete, utter, unflinching, 100% nobility, then. Yeah. Then you could take yourself off of the HBO Max subscription. But, yeah, you know, I don't know if you're gut. Nobody gets to 100%. If you're. If you were gunning for 100%.

[Mike]

No.

[Lyle]

But Noble Jesus Christ run of life, then you would take. You would take it off. But I. Nobody gets. Nobody does 100. So.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah, no, it's.

[Maddie]

It's.

[Mike]

It's kind of. Yeah, because, like, every now and then, like, I would, like, switch usernames on these said apps, and I would. And I would notice, like, someone's been, like, watching, like, different stuff on my. On my part of the channel too. I was like, that's weird. I was like, I haven't seen Gilmore Girls in a long time. I was like, I'd never seen that show. I was like, what the heck? I was like, why are they watching it on my account? Yeah, and then the weird part is, like, we split it up, like, almost two and a half years ago.

[Lyle]

Oh, oh, oh, it's been two and a half years.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lyle]

Well, yeah, let her. Let her kick you off.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah.

[Lyle]

Who broke it off?

[Mike]

She did. She did.

[Lyle]

Is that part of what inspired you to train to squat? Four of you, actually.

[Mike]

Yeah, I just. Yeah, I was like, not in a good shape when we broke up and then now I'm in a better shape. Like, I feel I like this version of me versus the version of me two and a half years ago.

[Lyle]

Wait, so was that, was that. This is not the same woman that I met in Salt Lake City?

[Mike]

No, no, that was my new girlfriend.

[Lyle]

Okay. Okay. Well, yeah, your ex girlfriend. Fucking. She definitely. She definitely sold low on that stock.

[Mike]

Oh, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. And then. Yeah, she's still. Yeah, she's still working a pretty bad job, so I'm kind of happy that I'm in a better place now than she is now.

[Lyle]

I don't believe you at all. I don't believe for a second that, you know, I don't. And you know what? The thing is, I guess. Yeah, next. I guess on the next podcast I'll have to mention at some point whether or not because I'm expecting you to send me these videos.

[Mike]

Yeah, you're getting one tomorrow.

[Lyle]

Okay. All right. I mean, I don't. Yeah, I. Yeah, okay. I'll try to remember to check the phone line.

[Mike]

Yeah, I'll send it to your Instagram page.

[Lyle]

Okay. Yeah, do that. I check that more.

[Mike]

Okay. Yeah, I'll do that.

[Lyle]

Alright, Matt, is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?

[Mike]

Pigeons aren't real.

[Lyle]

You're telling me I can eat a Bare Bells protein bar and drink a Celsius every day for the rest of my life and it's not unhealthy?

[Mike]

Yeah, that's correct.

[Lyle]

Please. Better. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Mike]

You look, you look better now than you did when I first started watching you, so. Well, you're doing something good in your life.

[Lyle]

Well, hold up. Well, I lost weight and I'm continuing to lose. Well, I fell off a lot of my habits, but I did lose weight. But even though I lost weight, I don't know if that's. I don't know if losing weight is the same as being healthy because you can eat only Twinkies for a month and you will lose weight.

[Mike]

Yeah, no, there's, there's so, so the thing with weight loss is just like, it's literally what you do on top of it, it's what, very beneficial for you. Like, even if you don't think you, you, you don't feel like you're progressing and you're. Your physical health right now. But like, if everyone can notice that you like, physically changed, then you're doing something good about your, your physical workout right now.

[Lyle]

I'm gonna, I'm gonna only eat cosmic brownies for a month. Those are so cal. You know how many. Fuck. Guess how many fucking calories is in a cosmic brownie, dude?

[Mike]

Isn't it like, like 1500?

[Lyle]

It's like five. 1500. That's crazy. What is up with you and your numbers? You have outlandish.

[Mike]

I don't know, I just, my, my brain is full of like useless facts. So it's just like, it's. Yeah, yeah, I'm crazy like that with numbers.

[Lyle]

510, dude, 5. Isn't that fucking bullshit? 510 calories for a, for, for, for, you know, 10 seconds of Julie.

[Mike]

You eat it that quick? That's crazy.

[Lyle]

I don't know, I've never timed myself, but. All right, I'll tell you what. You send me a picture of you doing a 540 pound squat and a 250 pound bench, and I'll send you a video of me eating a 510 calorie cosmic brownie.

[Mike]

Deal.

[Lyle]

Matt, is there anything else you want to say to the people, the computer, before we go?

[Mike]

Be kind. Just take care of yourself and I'm glad you're doing better now, Mr. Lau.

[Lyle]

Thank you, ma'am. Good luck, God bless you. You're a beautiful soul. I'll see you around the universe. Hold on, I'm gonna keep. Okay, first of all, first of all, first of all, I didn't mean. First of all, whenever I say God bless you to someone, I don't mean like the Christian God. Okay? Even if I did, that's an asshole thing to say to someone when they bless you. It's an asshole thing to say to someone when they say God bless you is. I don't believe it. Because when someone says God bless you, they're trying to be nice. They're trying. They really just mean, have a good day. And then when you say I don't believe in God, you kind of being an. But I also, I don't really. I don't mean. I don't know. I don't, I don't believe in God. I don't believe in like Christian God either. I believe in like higher power, I think, you know, that's where I'm at. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but like, that's what God. Yeah, but, but, but that's what God means, you know, it just means higher power. It doesn't necessarily mean like the God that you grew up with when you were going to church and shit, you know? Yeah, so what? So may the higher. May whatever controls the flow of the universe be that even not a higher power. Be that even you may. Whatever that force is. Even if that force is literally you and your brain and your actions, you being God. May God bless you. May you bless you. You know what I mean?

[Mike]

Why is this what it feels like being blessed by the gecko right now?

[Lyle]

I do believe.

[Mike]

I feel. I do believe in the gecko.

[Lyle]

I just declare that because I've been saying God bless you to people. And I don't know why, but that's what I mean when I say it. I think when it comes out of my.

[Mike]

To ask you about that. I've always wanted to ask you about Bowser. It's just like. I don't know if he's like, real, because I know you're. You're Jewish, so it's just like grew up.

[Lyle]

I grew up culturally Jewish, but I don't like, I don't like. Yeah, I don't know what the Torah. I don't even think. I don't think most Jews know what like. It doesn't. Judaism has no effect on my spiritual views of life in the universe. It's just, you know, I like. I like eating matzah.

[Mike]

I haven't had matzah in a long time.

[Lyle]

But no, I don't mean like a Christian. I don't mean like a Christian. I don't mean like a Christian made Jesus Christ as we understand that to be. You know, it just means, you know, whatever. I guess I explained it well. It's just a higher power. Yeah, that's not even what I mean. You know what? You know what it really is, actually? It's not even any of that stuff. Stuff. It's just. You know what it really is? I just needed something to say.

[Mike]

Ah.

[Lyle]

That's what it really is. It just means B. It just. It just makes. It's just words. It means nothing. It doesn't even mean any of the stuff I said about you being God. It's just saying more words because we're in a conversation. And when you're in a conversation, you have to say words for there to be a conversation. That's what it means when I say so.

[Mike]

Yeah, if you put that on a T shirt, I totally buy it.

[Lyle]

Matt. God bless you. Send me that video of you lifting 100 and whatever pounds and I may never talk to you ever again. But if that is the case, I enjoyed the period of time that we did get to talk.

[Mike]

I. I concur.

[Lyle]

Have a good night, Matt.

[Mike]

You too, sir. Okay, bye.

[Lyle]

That was. I liked Matt. Matt was cool. I liked everyone we talked to Today. What a great episode of the podcast. Thank you to everyone who listens to this. This is a fun episode of the podcast. Sometimes. Sometimes we just do an episode, and I'm like, wow, I felt great. The. The correlation is always. It's always about how much caffeine I induce, I ingested before recording. It makes me feel like myself, like, chemically. I know. I know. It's not. It feels weird to, like, need a substance to be yourself, but I really do feel like myself. I felt. I. I loved the version of myself that I was for the entire duration of this episode. And. And the reason for that is because I drank a diet Mountain dew, which has 91 milligrams of caffeine. I could keep talking. Sometimes by the end of doing this, like, I'm exhausted, and I. And I lie on the floor, but today I'm like, I could just keep talking. I feel good. This was nice. I'm gonna cut my. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna quit while we're hot. Thank you for listening to the Therapy Gecko podcast. I really mean it. I'm honored. Thanks for sitting through the ads or skipping through them. Thanks for dealing with it. Thanks for listening. Thanks for commenting. If you comment. I read all the Spotify in the YouTube comments because I'm crazy. This was nice. This was good. I enjoyed doing this. This was. This was. This was. This felt fun to do, and I felt honored to be able to do it today. So thank you for listening. I'm gonna go calm down. I. I need to calm down. I'm gonna go calm down. God bless you. I guess whatever the fuck. I mean when I say that. I'm glad I got to clear that up. And I'm gonna go eat something. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go eat a fucking sandwich and watch TV and feel honored. I'm gonna go eat a sandwich and watch a YouTube video about Luigi and about, like, 10 Luigi facts or whatever the fuck, and I'm gonna feel honored that I get to live today to do that. All right, Gecko out Foreign. Hey, folks. This episode is sponsored by ChatGPT. Finals can be a very disorienting time. Your schedule is out of whack and so are your eating habits. But ChatGPT can help. From now through May, ChatGPT plus is free for college students, which means you have unlimited opportunities to get yourself and your studying on track. You can ask ChatGPT to create an embroidered illustration of string theory, show you a visual recipe for whatever late night snack you're craving. Design a workout plan using only the items in your dorm room. Pretty much anything you can think of. ChatGPT can help you with ChatGPT plus free for college students now through May restrictions apply.