Alana Golan (4:28)

Oh, Nicole, it's so great to be here. And for those listening, look, reinventing is everywhere. Like we do this all the time. And in fact, at this pace of change, we're going to do it every year or two. So we better get really, really good at it. Right? And you're right, like these are very or they seem very different, but there's always like transferable skills. There's always a path. Success leaves clues. And if you can start looking for those clues, you actually going to start understanding what is your zone of genius. Where is that superpower? What lights you up, what gets you fulfilled. And then it's about like experimenting and trying different things and we can definitely go into that. But I think it's really about finding the patterns, figuring out what is my pattern and where do I really, really want to shine.

Nicole Khalil (5:17)

Yeah, I'm so glad that you said that because I think sometimes when it's happening, we feel like whatever we were doing before was a waste. And in my experience, as you said, there are breadcrumbs, clues through lines, whatever you want to call them. Could you give us an example of maybe some of the clues you picked up along the way as you've reinvented yourself? I'm sure in countless ways, but at least professionally.

Alana Golan (5:41)

Yeah. Yeah. So even professionally, it was fascinating. So I started at intel and just writing code, right? And in fact I realized that, yeah, I'm a, I'm an okay coder, but really what I loved is when I got to speak with clients and, and do things that are interacting with humans, with people, not just computers. And it's like, wow, like, can this be a job? Can I figure out a way to be more in front of people? Right? And that's when I started looking for a job. It was actually a funny story, Nicole. Maybe some, some people will like to hear this. So it was 2000, right? Or 1999. Like if you had a resume that said anything about engineering, you would find a job in two seconds. And here I was wanting to find my first client facing role. And I'm going with my resume from intel with all the engineering lingo and algorithm, guess how many opportunities for a customer facing role I got? 0. Because my story, right, because my story was based on who I was, not who I want to become. And it's not because I didn't have a story. It was emphasizing the wrong thing. So when you want to start telling your story, you want to start thinking of what do I want? How do I emphasize the right points? Again with complete integrity. But how do I emphasize the right points towards where I want to be? And at that point I started basically experimenting with different career facing or client facing roles and technical sales and product management. And, you know, and I started climbing up the ladder. And if you think about it, at the end of the day, this was all experimentation. Like, I loved every one of them, but they were different types of experimentation, trying to figure out where is my sweet spot. And I kind of moved all the way to vice president, technical operation in charge of like. So I, I moved up the ladder. But what I realized is as I was leap, you know, kind of moving between roles. And if you really think about where my sweet spot was, it was really the moving between the roles, not necessarily the specific skill. And I think this is another interesting reminder to people. The zone of genius is not necessarily the exact skill or the thing that you studied in the university or the thing that you work right now, it's sometimes in between. It's the things that, you know, kind of like in between the leafs or in between that makes you different. And one of the things that I would also say to people is really listen to what people are intrigued by you. Because at some point, Nicole, this was so interesting. At some point people were starting. At that point I was, I think I already started a company and I sold a company and I started investing in companies and. And I could see people come to me not for the business related stuff, but they would come to me for asking me about their careers. And to me these were two different things. Like I would help them with their careers and then I would continue and do my work. Right. And I wasn't seeing that as a, you know, they were actually telling me something that I wasn't listening to. And I think this is another thing is like, look at, like sometimes our ecosystem and our people around us will already hint us about our zone of genius and we're just not attentive enough to see the clues. So. And I think that's just really beautiful because that's where, you know, everything comes together. It's beautiful.

Nicole Khalil (9:02)

Okay, so I have this thought that I'm going to try to formulate into a cohesive thought. What I heard is a lot of times we define ourselves by our history or what we've done. And that actually can be problematic in both seeing outside the box or alternative or really seeing what actually is our gifts or our genius. And also this feeling of being willing to experiment and test and be curious about. Because I think so many of us, especially women, feel like we're supposed to be certain. So I guess how do we take on this spirit of experimenting, of testing? Because experimenting and testing implies potential failure, right? It implies potential it not going well. And I just find so much of the time we're so afraid of that.

Alana Golan (9:55)

Right.

Nicole Khalil (9:56)

How do we take on more of this spirit of curiosity? I guess. Yeah.

Alana Golan (9:59)

And Nicole, first of all, you summarize it beautifully, right? Because I think the difference in the mentality of where we used to grow up, as, you know, you learn a certain topic, you get a grade and this is how good you are. Right? Like that was kind of how we grew up. And in fact, and I'll say a few things about this, the pace of change and what we want to do, we actually need to flip this around. So what we want to start thinking is what do I want to be known for what is it that I want to do? And if I'm not too sure, how can I experiment to figure this out? And the interesting thing is the way I found this, it was interesting. I was mentoring in some of the biggest startup accelerators in the world, like Google and Singularity University and Carnegie Mellon and a bunch of others. And it was fascinating because in the world of startups, we experiment all the time. This is what we do. We find the market fit, we find the thing. And for some reason, and I remember catching myself in the middle of one of these conversations where they needed to experiment. I was like, why are we not doing this for careers? Like, it's actually the same. There's like this massive land of opportunities. There's so many options these days. Why in my career, I'm thinking that I need to find the thing that will fulfill me for the rest of my life. And, you know, when I'm looking at a startup, we can experiment, we can do things, we can. We can move fast. And that's where everything shifted. Um, and it actually created a big, you know, a big portion of Leap Academy is how do you experiment with your career? How do you decide that, Joan of Genius? How do you kind of experiment to figure out, like, that this is it? And then how do I start creating a little more of the story around it and my brand around it so that opportunities will come my way? So everything shifted, but it was at that moment that I was like, why are we doing this differently? Because our career will not be there for 40 years. It's just a different thing. And. And maybe I'll add one more thing, Nicole, with your permission, because I think it's just really interesting and it's something that I found out kind of relatively recent, and I think your listeners will enjoy it. So at least my age, I don't know, I might revealing here a little too much, but back in the days, like, IQ was everything. Like, you would do, like these IQ tests, and if you had a high iq, you would be successful if you. Right. Like there was like, iq, right? And then a few decades ago, it was morphed into eq. So emotional intelligence became the thing. And I think Richard Branson was one of the first that said emotional intelligence is actually more important than iq. And, you know, that kind of gave a green light to a lot of leaders and a lot of entrepreneurs that just kind of felt like, you know, I didn't tick all the IQ boxes. But, hey, I'm really good. And right now, Nicole, really, really interesting. It is Actually aq, and if you look it up, it's adaptability quotient. What it means that in today's world, with the pace of change, with the pace of AI, with, you know, everything moving so, so fast, adaptability, reinventing, leaping is actually becoming the most important skill for the future of work. So not only that, you know, we want to master it. We want to master it and do it again and again and again. So I think this is where it becomes really interesting.

Nicole Khalil (13:18)

That is fascinating. And it makes sense, right? At the pace of change, the rate of change that we're at, being comfortable with change seems like a pretty important skill. And maybe not comfortable, that might not be the right word, but being willing to. And I just had the thought and I actually oddly got a little emotional about it is like, what would life and career look like? What would be different if we just saw it as experiment, if we just let go of the shoulds and the supposed tos and the outcomes and then it was just like, this is just one crazy experiment. And I know I would have probably done a lot differently. Maybe I'm a slow learner, but I have found more often than not that my biggest reinventions came out of some of my hardest, most challenging, most painful experiences. I don't think that it has to be that way, but I do find that that is true for lot of us. How do we reinvent ourselves after rejection, failure, pain, trauma? And how do we, and I'm just going to put in air quotes, use it in a way to propel us forward. Any thoughts on that?

Alana Golan (14:32)

Oh, it's a beautiful question. So unfortunately it's true so many, many times we, you know, like, we need to learn. Yeah, we learn the hard way. And you know, you can't really tell your story, you know, when, when the wound is, is really bleeding, but you can tell your story from the scars, right. And, and, and it sometimes takes a little bit of healing. So if there's something very traumatic, you know, Nicole, like it's, you know, about a decade ago, I was kicked out of my own company, right. And it, and I can tell you it's a devast. Like it's one of those things that are just mind blowing hurting.

Nicole Khalil (15:10)

Right.

Alana Golan (15:11)

Like we started the company, we raised capital and I, you know, and within 24 hours I left. I lost my job, my salary, my company, my, you know, like I lost everything in my life. And the truth is, you know, the downhill spiral can be really, really hard. So, and, and I would say to people, if you're in the downhill spiral, if you're, you know, trying to breathe, first of all, yes, there is a little bit of space for grace. Right. Like, sometimes you need some healing because you just can't. And for me, my healing was actually to throw spaghetti on the walls and see what sticks. Instead of being intentional and strategic, like, I was doing things, but I was actually becoming a red flag. So I think sometimes it's better to just take a step back, heal for a second, and then really see it as an, you know, experimentation. And if you think about it as experimentation is not as something that you have to decide for the next 40 years. It's actually not suffocating, Right. Like, the whole idea of deciding on something for, like, for so long, like, it was suffocating for me. Like, I couldn't do it, and suddenly I wasn't fulfilled about anything, and I lost my sen of worth, and I was failing, you know, feeling like a feat failure. But, you know, it's really not about that. It's really about, okay, so let me try to experiment this, and let me try to experiment this. So I would say a few things. So first of all, yes, looking at as an experimentation will really, really help you. The way I look at it is five days, five weeks, five months, Right? Five days. I'm just gonna learn about it as much as I can. Five weeks. And what's beautiful then, Nicole, is all you need to decide is, is it worth five more weeks or I want to switch to something else. Right. So you just look at it in chunks. And when you just look at it in chunks, you know, it's just, sure, I'll try it for four, five more weeks. You know, it's not a big deal. It's not a big commitment or, you know, I'll try it for a few months and see if I want to actually leap there. Right. Like, it's just not as suffocating. The other thing that I would say is surround yourself with people that are willing to leap faster and higher. I think one of the biggest thing in Leap Academy is that you are surrounded with a lot of people that are forcing you to leap honestly. Right? And the beautiful thing that, you know, once you master it and you do it once, the interesting thing is it is an art. And when you can do it once, you can actually start ticking the boxes and creating the life that you want. Because I'm a big believer in portfolio career. I'm a big believer in multiple streams of ventures and things that you can be involved with that will start ticking more of the boxes, right? Because it's not like there's no way one thing will tick all your boxes, but when you can start looking at it as, you know, kind of like multiple ventures and some with income and some is fulfillment and some is for fun and some is for, you know, volunteering and the impact and suddenly you create this incredible life that is just now I just have a list of things that I want to achieve and every single time I'm like, cool, so I want to start a podcast. This is what I got to do. I want to start getting on a board. This is what I going to do. I want to write a book. This is what I got to do. And suddenly it becomes more of a let me just, you know, tick the boxes. I going to surround myself with the right people and I will get help. So I do surround myself with a lot of help. I do believe in that shortcut. But it's something I didn't believe in for many, many years. And so I learned the hard way.

Nicole Khalil (18:37)

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Alana Golan (22:48)

So, Nicole, it is part of reinvention. So I think that's what's beautiful about it and part of the experimentation because I think there's one career if you, you know, gone are the days that you'll usually land one thing, be there for 40 years and retire with a golden watch and a party. Like these days are kind of gone. Like they exist from time to time, but they're really rare and they're going to be less and less of them. So the truth is, we going to reinvent ourselves every year or two. Like, it's actually moving really fast. If you're going to look at a stuff, you know, kind of a what happens to our skills. There's actually a fascinating graph of looking what happens to our skills. So it used to be about 30 years ago that a skill would actually survive for 30 years. Now it's two years. It's fascinating. So we're actually losing relevant at a speed we've never seen before. So if that's the case, you're going to need to reinvent ourselves anyway. Now, the gist of it is that one career is probably not enough if you actually want more from your life. So if you want fun and travel and experiences and impact and to do something that matters and status and generational wealth, like, if you're going to start looking at all the things that we actually want from a career and from life overall, one will probably not tick every single one of the boxes. And when you can start creating kind of multiple streams and multiple ventures, and it's not all going to be about money because sometimes it's about fulfillment and sometimes it's about fun and sometimes about you. If you're going to look at the top 1% of the millionaires, billionaires in the world, it's actually fascinating. 50% of them will have more than four income streams. And the more you're going to go up to the billionaires, it's actually a bigger amount. So. So what's interesting is they already have it. The question for me was then why is nobody teaching this right? If it's, if it's so common and it's. But you need to do it right. So the problem with portfolio career is done wrong. It's a disaster because you just look Conf. Right? So, and then you throw spaghetti on the wall and nothing sticks. So in order to create a portfolio career, you do want one stream of income that is relatively stable, whether it's a job, whether it's your own business, but it needs to be relatively stable in the best portfolio careers is when you can actually create ripple effects, right? So if you're employed right now, you know, you can have. You add, I don't know, some speaking opportunities and maybe some advisory and take some equity here and there and maybe, you know, whatever. And then now you're starting to be known as somebody that is even more at the leadership or more at the helm or more at the C suite. And now you're getting more promotions, better pay, that more respect, more seat at the table. Like it creates ripple effect. Or if you're an entrepreneur, you add, I don't know, mentorship and startup accelerators or advisory or board seats or whatever, right? And now you're starting again to be seen in a different way so you can raise more capital. So whatever it is that you're after, you can start creating. It's almost like a chess game. And if you can actually start looking at that as a chess game, mind blowing.

Nicole Khalil (25:52)

Yeah. Okay. So I again feel like I figured some of this out for myself the hard way, in that there is comfort or stability in having something that is consistent or something that you can count on or rely on. So in my work, coaching has always been the thing that provides the baseline, right. It's something I love doing. It's high impact. I think I do it really well for the right people. But it just provides that stability that I need, that my business needs, that my everything needs in order for me to go and experiment and explore and try. And I've tried and failed at many different potential revenue streams or ways, directions my business could go or work that I could do. But in that I've narrowed down closer and closer those few other things that I am passionate about or that I love doing and don't care about income or that generate income and things like that. So again, back to this reinvention and experimenting. But I'm so glad that you talked about having something that provides some sort of security, stability, safety. Is that what you're saying? Or did I make?

Alana Golan (27:06)

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. And if I'm looking at somebody, you know, I mean, again, Nicole, you already have some portfolio career, right? Like you're doing the coaching, you're doing a podcast. Like, that's exactly probably career, you know, for people who you Know, are coaches, consultants, advice, you know, you can add, you know, maybe being paid to speak, maybe you can, you know, or, you know, or maybe you go to speak and you get more clients with it, and then it's more about the media and the podcast and whatever, and the awards and, like, there's other things that you can start kind of creating for yourself and write a book. You could write, whatever. Right. You know, there's like, multiple things that you can start doing in order to create those ripple effects. And again, Nicole, you're doing them. But I think it's important for the listeners to kind of start thinking about it. Where. Where in my, you know, world can I start creating ripple effects that will actually change my trajectory? And I think that's what's beautiful about it, because you reinvent yourself, but you just leap again and again and again, and it just becomes a norm. It becomes part of. I, you know, I want something new. Let's go.

Nicole Khalil (28:09)

I wonder, too, if the same concept can be applied to so many other things. Like, I think of, like, relationships and friendships. We want that, you know, maybe have gone the distance or that there's a high level of trust or that we're really connected with. But having those people, that allows us to experiment a little bit more, meet new people, have some, you know, relationships that it's not meant for the long haul, and that's okay. My last question is a doozy. I think for many of us, reinvention can feel impossible, intimidating, scary as shit. I don't care what you call it, but the idea of it feel sometimes too big, too insurmountable. What advice do you have for people who are like, I don't know if I can do it.

Alana Golan (28:54)

So first of all, I love the question, Nicole, because the truth is, at the moment when I was at the bottom of my barrel, I didn't think anything or anyone can get me out of the. The. The. The heck that I was in. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was like, a very hard moment. So first of all, if you're listening to this and you're feeling like you're drowning or you're feeling like. Like it's hard in the middle of the night. You're tossing and turning. First of all, I want you to know, like, that it's normal, right? And usually that means you're also, you know, in the beginning of something big because it's always darkest before the dawn. And so the first thing that I will say is, you know, a big part of it is your mental Game around it and are you letting. Because it's never the challenges that stop us. It's always our belief around the challenges and the meaning that we're giving it. Right. So I think the very first thing is to understand that that's usually a hint that you're in front of a big thing. And the only question is if you continue when all the rest stop, that's where you get a life that you know, the rest will only dream of. Right. So it's really more about that stuff now in order to continue. Really some of the best steps that I can see, it's like I'm very engineering so I need, you know, somebody to spell it out for me. So one, do this, two do that. So the one thing that I'll say to the listeners, the first thing is kind of really understand your must haves, like what is really critical for you. Again, we can have it all, just not at the same time. So release the need of trying to have it all because again, sometimes it's more finance, sometimes it's more growth or title or function or fame or whatever it is. Sometimes it's impact. I just need to feel like I have a seat at the table, I move the needle, whatever. Sometimes it's balance because, you know, I need more time for family, for whatever. And again, no job will give you all of this or no career will give you all of it at the same time. So what I would say, first of all, just be honest with yourself and think what are the two that are really, really critical for you? And when you start distilling it one by one and then you know, and really honest about what it is that you have to have, the rest kind of piles up together. And I think the hardest thing in a goal is to let go of what society expects from us. What's cool, what other will think. What if I fail? Like, the hardest thing is the emotional part of it. But once you can spell it out, you can start, you know, really figuring this out and doing some massive, you know, changes and it's. It feels incredible.

Nicole Khalil (31:27)

Yeah, I think you're dead on. Especially when things are hard or haven't worked or you feel like something is just ended or you've lost something. I think that's. I'll speak for myself. Those are the times where my instinct to care about what other people think goes way higher. It's when I am hurting where I'm like I should or I supposed to or whatever. And I liked what you said earlier, it's not the challenge, it's the belief around our challenge. And having people who can support us by thinking about it differently can be really helpful. But something you've said over and over is that reinvention is an ongoing thing. Right? We're talking every couple years, and maybe that's just even in your career. But I would say reinvention is no longer a detour. It's the road we're on. We are constantly reinventing. So maybe the belief around the challenges is that it is the beginning of something next or it's the path on the road you're on, as opposed to thinking about it as an ending or a detour, blockage or something like that. I know that's hard when you're in it, but I just. I just wonder if there's something to it.

Alana Golan (32:37)

I think you're absolutely spot on. And I think. I love that you said, you know, it's not a detour, it's some. This is the road, like, you will need. And I think the, the faster that you claim it and understand it that, like, you will need to reinvent yourself every year or two, and the more you understand that this is your career, like your career is to learn to reinvent as fast as possible to whatever it is that you want at will, to any direction that makes you fit. And it just creates an incredible life. Once you let go of that, oh, my God, I need this one thing that will be sustainable for the rest of my life. So the minute you understand that this is it, this is the new norm, this is the new thing, and it just creates a beautiful, beautiful wish list of life that you can just do whatever you want. It's. It's. It's the most brilliant, exhilarating thing ever.

Nicole Khalil (33:31)

Yeah, I am. I describe myself as a realist, which is what most pessimists say about themselves. But I have a feeling when people hear that, that we're going to be reinventing ourselves every couple years, that there are some of our listeners who are like, like, it. It sounds scary and overwhelming. And I invite us all, myself included, to think about how exciting that is, this idea that we get to. That we can become better and better, that there is nothing that we're just locked in on or stuck on. I mean, I think that as you're saying it, there's this excitement that comes up. Like, what's possible?

Alana Golan (34:09)

Yes, it's the new possible, Nicole. And I think, again, don't scare yourself in the sense of, like, reinventing doesn't mean you're going to leave a job every Year or two. Right. Like you could reinvent yourself within the same corporation but to a new function or to a little more responsibility or to a new title or to whatever. Because again, it's about, you know, it's not enough to stay. There is no stuck anymore. It's like stuck is actually moving backwards at a pace that we've never seen. Like it's losing relevance. But the beautiful thing is, like you said, there's a land of opportunities now. There's a new possible that is mesmerizing. And the more we can lean into that, it just creates such a beautiful, beautiful life. You just start creating that wish list and oh, I want advisory and some equity and companies.

Nicole Khalil (34:53)

Great.

Alana Golan (34:53)

I know how to do it. I want a board seat.

Nicole Khalil (34:55)

Great.

Alana Golan (34:55)

I know how to do it. I want a C suite. Great. I know how to do it. I want to be paid to speak.

Nicole Khalil (34:58)

Great.

Alana Golan (34:59)

I know how to do it. Like it just create this like incredible life that you know, it just. And you just follow the same steps, which is beautiful. Yeah.

Nicole Khalil (35:08)

Yes. Amazing. Thank you, Alana. I know our listeners are going to want to learn more. So Alana's website is alanagolan.com we'll put the link and all the ways to find and follow Alana and as well as her socials you can go to Leap Academy. But we'll put it all in show notes. And Alana, I know you have a gift for our listeners. So if you want to just explain that real quick.

Alana Golan (35:29)

Yeah, so I, we love hearing from you first of all. So if you hear this and you got some good nuggets, please reach out. Like we would love it. We're in leapacademy.com or ilanaleapacademy.com and yes, we have a gift for you. So basically on leapacademy.com, what we'll give you is a free a little assessment of kind of where your career can go. And you know, it's really fun because it's really short. You also have a free training about, you know how to leap your career was a lot more elaborated than what I give you now. And you can apply to a 15 minute really strategy, career strategy call to have one of my experts sit with you and kind of understand where you can reinvent yourself. And then I just want you to feel the new possib possible and it's really fun.

Nicole Khalil (36:18)

And do people go to Leap Academy for that? LeapAcademy.com Yep. Yes.

Alana Golan (36:22)

Free.

Nicole Khalil (36:22)

True. Okay, great. Awesome. Alana, thank you on behalf of my listeners for that free gift and for your exceptional conversation and wisdom today.

Alana Golan (36:32)

Ah, thank you, Nicole.

Nicole Khalil (36:33)

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