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This Is Woman's Work with Nicole Kalil
Hosted by Nicole Kalil + Airwave Media · EN
Together, we're redefining what it means, looks and feels like, to be doing "woman's work" in the world today.
From boardrooms to studios, kitchens to coding dens, we explore the multifaceted experiences of today's women, confirming that the new definition of "woman's work" is whatever feels authentic, true, and right for you.
We're shedding expectations, setting aside the "shoulds", giving our finger to the "supposed tos". We're torching the old playbook and writing our own rules.
Who runs the world? You decide.
Because that is Woman's Work.
Learn more at nicolekalil.com
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What a “Good Divorce” Can Look Like with Erin Levine | 426
2d ago00:38:44Summary readyDivorce is often portrayed as a battle—one that leaves everyone emotionally exhausted and financially depleted. But what if that's not the only path forward? In this episode of This Is Woman's Work, Nicole Kalil sits down with Erin Levine, founder and CEO of Hello Divorce, to challenge the common misconceptions surrounding divorce and explore what it actually takes to have a good one. After nearly two decades as a family law attorney, Erin witnessed firsthand how the traditional legal system often creates unnecessary conflict, higher costs, and prolonged emotional distress. That experience inspired her to build a different approach—one that supports people through one of life's biggest transitions with greater clarity, compassion, and confidence. In This Episode, Nicole and Erin Discuss: The three legal steps every divorce requires. Why 95% of divorces are resolved through agreement rather than trial. Common misconceptions about the divorce process. State-by-state differences that can significantly impact divorce timelines. Why divorce should be viewed as a life transition—not just a legal proceeding. Erin's definition of a "good divorce" and what makes it possible. Why fear and anger often lead to poor decisions during divorce. The financial mistakes that frequently cost people thousands of dollars. The role divorce coaches, mediators, therapists, financial professionals, and real estate experts can play throughout the process. Practical conversations and ground rules couples can establish before filing for divorce. Common misconceptions surrounding custody arrangements. Important considerations when dividing real estate and retirement assets. Why the end of a marriage doesn't necessarily mean the relationship failed. Ultimately, the conversation reframes divorce as a process that can be navigated with clarity, dignity, and support rather than conflict. Thank you to our sponsors! Don't wait to teach your kids real-world money skills! Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at Greenlight.com/TIWW. Go to https://CovePure.com/tiww to get $250 off. Thanks to CovePure for sponsoring this episode! Connect with Erin: Website: https://hellodivorce.com/ LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinlevine/ IG: https://www.instagram.com/hellodivorce Related Podcast Episodes: 047 / Mindset, Resilience & Divorce with Susan Tripi The Collaborative Co-Parent (How To Put Your Kids First) with Gabriella Pomare | 401 Healing Relationships: The 4 Essential Pillars for Lasting Love with Dr. Rachel Glik | 283 Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music | YouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryCLASSIC EPISODE: How Is Your Spiritual Health? with Dr. Lisa Miller
4d ago00:31:16Summary readySpiritual health isn’t about following a specific religion, meditating on a mountaintop, or taking the sacrament (unless you want to do those things). It’s about something deeper—our connection to something greater than ourselves, our capacity for faith, and the hope that carries us through life’s challenges. Dr. Lisa Miller is a New York Times bestselling author of The Spiritual Child and The Awakened Brain. She’s a professor in the Clinical Psychology Program at Teachers College, Columbia University, and the founder of the Spirituality Mind Body Institute—the first Ivy League graduate program dedicated to the study of spirituality and psychology. Her groundbreaking research has been published in over 100 peer-reviewed articles, and she’s a sought-after speaker, working with the U.S. military, Fortune 500 companies, schools, and healthcare organizations to integrate spirituality into mental health and leadership. Spirituality isn’t just a belief system—it’s a proven driver of resilience, purpose, and well-being. In this episode, we dive into: ✔️ How spiritual health impacts mental resilience and emotional well-being ✔️ The neuroscience behind spirituality and how it physically changes the brain ✔️ Why faith—whether in God, the universe, or your inner wisdom—makes you stronger ✔️ Practical ways to nurture your spiritual health (without needing a formal practice) Because here’s the truth: Whatever created you, lives within you—and that alone makes you inherently valuable, worthy, and powerful. Thank you to our sponsors! Elevate your summer wardrobe: Go to Quince.com/tiww for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns! Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at Greenlight.com/TIWW. Don't wait to teach your kids real-world money skills! Go to https://CovePure.com/tiww to get $250 off. Thanks to CovePure for sponsoring this episode! Connect with Dr. Lisa Miller: Website: https://www.lisamillerphd.com/ IG: https://www.instagram.com/dr.lisamillerlis Related Podcast Episodes: Abundance: Secrets to Prosperity and Ease with Cathy Heller | 260 How To Breathe: Breathwork, Intuition and Flow State with Francesca Sipma | 267 The Power of Conscious Connection with Talia Fox | 263 Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryJoySpan: A Smarter Way To Age Well (And Break Free From Anti-Aging Culture) with Dr. Kerry Burnight | 425
1w ago00:33:31Summary readyWhat if the goal isn't to live longer—but to live better? In a world obsessed with anti-aging hacks, longevity supplements, biohacking, and looking younger, Dr. Kerry Burnight is offering a radically different perspective. A gerontologist, educator, and author of the New York Times bestselling book JoySpan: The Art and Science of Thriving in Life's Second Half, Dr. Kerry challenges the fear-based messaging that dominates the aging and wellness industries and invites us to focus on something much more meaningful: joy. In this conversation, Nicole and Dr. Kerry unpack what actually matters when it comes to healthy aging, longevity, purpose, confidence, connection, and fulfillment. They explore why society's obsession with youth may be distracting us from the very things that create a life worth living—and why growing older might be one of the greatest gifts we receive. In This Episode, We Discuss: Why the anti-aging industry profits from fear—and how to stop buying into it The difference between lifespan, healthspan, and Dr. Kerry's concept of "joyspan" What research says actually improves as we get older How purpose, meaning, friendship, and connection impact longevity Why confidence often increases with age The role of mindset in healthy aging and overall wellbeing How to overcome internalized ageism and embrace every stage of life Why joy isn't something you find—it's something you cultivate Practical ways to focus less on optimization and more on actually enjoying life Because at the end of the day, a meaningful life isn't built through endless optimization—it's built through the moments, relationships, and experiences that make us glad we're here. Thank you to our sponsors! Elevate your summer wardrobe: Go to Quince.com/tiww for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns! Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at Greenlight.com/TIWW. Don't wait to teach your kids real-world money skills! Go to https://CovePure.com/tiww to get $250 off. Thanks to CovePure for sponsoring this episode! Connect with Kerry: Book: https://drkerryburnight.com/joyspan IG: https://www.instagram.com/the_gerontologist/ Related Podcast Episodes: The No-BS Fitness Strategy That Actually Works (That You’ve Probably Been Overlooking) with Dr. Milica McDowell | 407 The Connection Cure: Social Prescribing, Loneliness, and Why Belonging Is Medicine with Julia Hotz | 373 Aging Out of F*cks (Your Confidence Upgrade) with Ellen Scherr | 394 Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music | YouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryCLASSIC EPISODE: The Hard Truths Of Entrepreneurship with Dr. Darnyelle Jervey Harmon
2w ago00:40:48Summary readyLet’s drop the highlight reel for a second: entrepreneurship is hard. It’s lonely, messy, and full of moments where you wonder if you’re the only one falling apart behind the scenes. So in this episode—and a few more to come—we’re cutting through the noise and talking about what it really takes to build a successful, scalable business. Enter: Dr. Darnyelle Jervey Harmon, powerhouse CEO of Incredible One Enterprises, creator of the Move to Millions® Method, and unapologetic truth-teller for entrepreneurs who want to build businesses with both profit and purpose. She’s helped clients generate over half a billion dollars in sales, made the Inc. 5000 list twice, and built a business that aligns with her values, her faith, and her vision. In this episode, Darnyelle shares the real, raw truths about entrepreneurship—what it costs, how to scale sustainably, and why mindset, mission, and money must work together. Because scaling isn’t about hustle or hype. It’s about clarity, alignment, and building a business that actually works for you. In This Episode, We Cover: ✅ What most people get wrong about scaling a business ✅ How to move from confusion to clarity in entrepreneurship ✅ How to build a profitable, purpose-driven business ✅ Why entrepreneurship gets messy—and how to keep going anyway This path isn’t easy—but it’s yours. And the mess? That’s not a sign you’re failing. It’s a sign you’re growing. Thank you to our sponsors! Elevate your summer wardrobe: Go to Quince.com/tiww for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns! Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at Greenlight.com/TIWW. Don't wait to teach your kids real-world money skills! Go to https://CovePure.com/tiww to get $250 off. Thanks to CovePure for sponsoring this episode! Connect with Darnyelle: Book: www.movetomillionsbook.com FB: http://www.facebook.com/darnyellejerveyharmon FB Group: http://www.movetomillionsgroup.com IG: http://www.instagram.com/darnyellejerveyharmon IG: https://www.instagram.com/teamincredibleone/ LI: http://www.linkedin.com/in/darnyelejerveyharmon Freebies for your audience: https://www.movetomillions.com/freebies Related Podcast Episodes: How to Scale A Business Without Sacrificing Everything with Kelly Roach | 311 How to Build a Profitable Online Business with Carla Biesinger | 310 202 / Building Your Email Lists & Websites with Brittni Schroeder Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryStop Waiting For Permission: Did You Know You Can Just Do Things? with Cate Hall | 424
2w ago00:37:28Summary readyWhat if the biggest thing standing between you and the life you want isn't a lack of confidence, credentials, experience, or readiness? What if it's the invisible rules you've been following without ever questioning them? In this episode of This Is Woman’s Work, Nicole sits down with Cate Hall—former Supreme Court attorney, former #1 ranked female poker player in the world, biotech founder, former CEO of the Astera Institute, and author of You Can Just Do Things: How High Agency People Get What They Want Out of Life. Together, they unpack the concept of high agency, why successful people aren't waiting for permission, and how fear of rejection, failure, and embarrassment may be keeping you stuck. In This Episode We Discuss: What it means to be a high agency person Why most of the "rules" we follow are actually invisible agreements The art of getting what you don't deserve—and why that's a good thing How fear of rejection limits personal and professional growth… and why rejection is a necessary part of success Practical ways to build rejection tolerance The connection between identity and personal transformation How strengths can become weaknesses when taken too far The "moat of low status" and why people avoid being beginners Why women often struggle with looking inexperienced—and how to overcome it Cate's message is simple but powerful: you don't need more permission, more credentials, or more certainty. Sometimes, you just need to do the thing. Thank you to our sponsors! Elevate your summer wardrobe: Go to Quince.com/tiww for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns! Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at Greenlight.com/TIWW. Don't wait to teach your kids real-world money skills! Go to https://CovePure.com/tiww to get $250 off. Thanks to CovePure for sponsoring this episode! Connect with Cate: Book: https://www.amazon.com/You-Can-Just-Things-High-Agency/dp/0063488450 Website: https://www.catehall.com/ Find your personal cringe minefield quiz: https://www.catehall.com/cringe-minefield-quiz TedTalk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN07gbipMoY Substack: https://usefulfictions.substack.com/ X: https://x.com/catehall Related Podcast Episodes How To Cultivate Audacity with Anne Marie Anderson | 276 197 / Fear & Failure (Part 1) with Amy Green Smith The Enneagram And Why It’s All The Rage with Kristi Rowles | 226 Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music | YouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryCLASSIC EPISODE: What Does a Woman Have to Do to Be Believed? Sexual Assault, Accountability & Double Standards with E. Jean Carrol
3w ago00:37:08Summary readyWhen a powerful man says, “She’s not my type,” and a jury (actually, multiple juries) finds that man liable for sexual abuse and defamation, that’s not just a headline — that’s a masterclass in what it takes for a woman to be believed in America. In this episode, writer, journalist, and Not My Type: One Woman vs. a President author E. Jean Carroll joins Nicole to talk about truth, power, paperclips, and what actually happens when you drag a president into court and win. Twice. We talk about the facts, the stories we build around those facts, and why so many people will twist themselves into a pretzel to excuse powerful men while shredding women who speak up. We get into: What actually happened in court — beyond the headlines, hot takes, and Twitter warriors How clothes became her armor and why what she wore in court mattered more than you’d think The “not my type” moment, the infamous deposition photo, and how Trump accidentally proved his own lie Why her sexual history was dragged into the trial — and how she took back that narrative with joy Trauma responses, laughter in the dressing room, and why “if you didn’t scream it doesn’t count” is garbage How mock juries forced her legal team to reckon with ageism, beauty standards, and who we think is “believable” What she plans to do with the tens of millions awarded in damages — and why giving it away is part of her resistance strategy The big questions this case raises: What does a woman have to do to be believed? And what does a powerful man have to do to be held accountable? Because this isn’t just E. Jean Carroll’s story. It’s a mirror held up to how we treat women, power, and truth — and a reminder that one 80-something woman can still change the story for all of us. Thank you to our sponsors! Elevate your summer wardrobe: Go to Quince.com/tiww for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns! Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at Greenlight.com/TIWW. Don't wait to teach your kids real-world money skills! Go to https://CovePure.com/tiww to get $250 off. Thanks to CovePure for sponsoring this episode! Connect with E Jean: Book: https://static.macmillan.com/static/smp/not-my-type-9781250381682/ Substack: https://ejeancarroll.substack.com/ IG: https://www.instagram.com/ejeancarroll1/ X: https://x.com/ejeancarroll?lang=en Related Podcast Episodes The Fourth Trauma Response You’ve Never Heard Of (And How It’s Running Your Life) with Dr. Ingrid Clayton | 342 Access, Agency & The Abortion Underground with Rebecca Grant | 358 The Biology Of Trauma - And How To Heal It with Dr. Aimie Apigian | 346 Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music | YouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryThe Surprising History of Picky Eating & Raising Adventurous Eaters with Helen Zoe Veit | 423
3w ago00:43:33Summary readyFor generations, parents have been told that picky eating is normal, inevitable, and just part of raising kids. But what if that's not true? What if picky eating is actually a modern phenomenon—and one we've unintentionally created? In this episode, Nicole sits down with historian, professor, and author Helen Zoe Veit to explore the surprising history behind children's eating habits. Drawing from her book Picky: How American Children Became the Fussiest Eaters in History, Helen reveals how kids once ate everything from bitter greens to spicy foods and why modern parenting, nutrition advice, convenience foods, and fear-based messaging may have changed that. Together, they unpack what parents can learn from history, how to build curiosity around food, and why confidence—not control—may be the missing ingredient at the dinner table. In This Episode We Discuss: Why picky eating is a relatively recent phenomenon in American history How children in the 19th century developed adventurous palates The role of nutrition science in changing children's diets Why modern parents feel so much pressure around food and feeding The difference between food neophobia and true picky eating How repeated exposure helps children learn to enjoy new foods Why separate "kids' meals" may be contributing to the problem The impact of snacks, convenience foods, and ultra-processed foods How confidence and consistency can transform family mealtimes The connection between food, curiosity, joy, and lifelong health This conversation is a powerful reminder that children may be capable of far more than we give them credit for—and that curiosity, resilience, and openness can all be nurtured one bite at a time. Thank you to our sponsors! Elevate your summer wardrobe: Go to Quince.com/tiww for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns! Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at Greenlight.com/TIWW. Don't wait to teach your kids real-world money skills! Go to https://CovePure.com/tiww to get $250 off. Thanks to CovePure for sponsoring this episode! Connect with Helen: Book: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250402509/picky/ Website: http://www.helenveit.com/ Related Podcast Episodes: The Good Mother Myth with Nancy Reddy | 274 FACTS About Raising Emotionally Intelligent Kids with Alyssa Blask Campbell M.Ed | 345 How To Build Girls’ Confidence with Cyndi Roy Gonzalez | 308 Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music | YouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryCLASSIC EPISODE: FACTS About Raising Emotionally Intelligent Kids with Alyssa Blask Campbell M.Ed
4w ago00:39:22Summary readyHere’s the truth: Raising emotionally intelligent kids isn’t about making sure they say “please” and “thank you.” It’s about raising little humans who can actually handle big feelings, express themselves without melting down (well, most of the time), and build relationships that don’t implode at the first sign of conflict. Emotional intelligence (EQ) is the underrated superpower that will serve your kids long after they’ve forgotten their multiplication tables. From playground drama to career success to healthy adult relationships, EQ is the thread that ties it all together. And while it doesn’t come with a manual (seriously, why don’t hospitals hand that out with the newborn onesie?), there are some universal truths every parent needs to know. To help us break it down, we’re joined by Alyssa Blask Campbell. With years of experience teaching parents and kids how to build emotional awareness, resilience, and connection, Alyssa has made it her mission to help families thrive from the inside out. In this conversation, she shares practical strategies, science-backed insights, and the FACTS about what it really takes to raise kids who can navigate their emotions (instead of being ruled by them). Because let’s be honest: you don’t just want your kids to be successful — you want them to be good humans. And that starts with emotional intelligence. Thank you to our sponsors! Elevate your summer wardrobe: Go to Quince.com/tiww for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns! Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at Greenlight.com/TIWW. Don't wait to teach your kids real-world money skills! Go to https://CovePure.com/tiww to get $250 off. Thanks to CovePure for sponsoring this episode! Connect with Alyssa: Website: https://www.seedandsew.org/ Book: https://www.seedandsew.org/book Related Podcast Episodes The Good Mother Myth with Nancy Reddy | 274 How To Build Girls’ Confidence with Cyndi Roy Gonzalez | 308 What To Know Before They Go: Collegebound with Dr. Pamela Ellis | 280 Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryPanoramic Leadership: How Great Leaders Expand Their Perspective in Times of Change with Cornelia Choe | 422
Jul 800:29:55Summary readyLeadership has never been more challenging—or more important. In a world defined by constant disruption, AI, economic uncertainty, global conflict, and nonstop change, the old leadership playbook is showing its age. The leaders who thrive today aren’t the ones with all the answers. They’re the ones willing to ask better questions, challenge their assumptions, and expand their perspective. In this episode, Nicole sits down with Cornelia Choe, international leadership expert, CEO of Leaders Alliance, and co-author of The Panoramic Leader with Marshall Goldsmith. Having advised CEOs, Fortune 500 executives, and government leaders across five continents, Cornelia brings a global lens to what effective leadership requires today. In This Episode, We Discuss: What Panoramic Leadership is and why it matters now more than ever Why today's leaders are facing unprecedented levels of change and uncertainty The hidden dangers of operating on autopilot How to identify and update your personal "mental map" Why curiosity, humility, and adaptability are critical leadership skills The power of seeking perspectives that challenge your own beliefs How blind spots impact decision-making and organizational success Cornelia's GEM Framework: Get Up Close Establish Meaningful Bonds Map Your Evolving Perspective Why command-and-control leadership is becoming increasingly ineffective How leaders can create environments where honest feedback thrives Leadership isn't about having the loudest voice in the room. It's about having the widest lens. As change accelerates and complexity grows, the leaders who succeed will be those willing to continuously learn, evolve, and see beyond their own experience. Thank you to our sponsors! Elevate your summer wardrobe: Go to Quince.com/tiww for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns! Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at Greenlight.com/TIWW. Don't wait to teach your kids real-world money skills! Go to https://CovePure.com/tiww to get $250 off. Thanks to CovePure for sponsoring this episode! Connect with Cornelia: Book: https://lnkd.in/e_cE6WeH Website: www.corneliachoe.com LI https://ch.linkedin.com/in/cornelia-choe Related Podcast Episodes: Diversity Isn’t a Strategy - It’s a Leadership Result with Aiko Bethea | 378 What Good Leaders Can Learn from Bad Bosses with Mita Mallick | 351 What Happens When Leadership Becomes Unsustainable: Leader Mental Health with Melissa Doman | 403 Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music | YouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryCLASSIC EPISODE: How To Listen with Emily Kasriel
Jul 600:36:27Summary readyWe live in a world that talks over people instead of listening to them. Debate has replaced understanding. Volume gets rewarded over vulnerability. And somehow, we’ve confused interrupting with intelligence. In this episode, we’re flipping the script. Because deep listening—the kind that transforms relationships, diffuses conflict, and actually builds connection—isn’t soft. It’s a power skill. A leadership skill. A humanity-saving skill. And there’s no one better to guide us through the how than today’s guest… Our guide today is Emily Kasriel, award-winning journalist, former BBC executive, and creator of the Deep Listening approach. With two decades of media experience, a role as Senior Visiting Research Fellow at King’s College London, and a new book (Deep Listening: Transform Your Relationships with Family, Friends and Foes), Emily is here to show us how to stop talking... and actually hear each other. Listening—truly listening—isn’t passive. It’s active, intentional, and strong as hell. And in a culture that values being loud over being present, choosing to listen might just be the most rebellious, relationship-healing thing we can do. Thank you to our sponsors! Elevate your summer wardrobe: Go to Quince.com/tiww for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns! Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at Greenlight.com/TIWW. Don't wait to teach your kids real-world money skills! Go to https://CovePure.com/tiww to get $250 off. Thanks to CovePure for sponsoring this episode! Connect with Emily: Website: https://www.emilykasriel.com/ Book: https://harpercollins.co.uk/products/deep-listening-transform-your-relationships-with-family-friends-and-foes-emily-kasriel?variant=41459770884174 LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilykasriel/ Related Podcast Episodes: The Icelandic Art of Intuition with Hrund Gunnsteinsdóttir | 307 The Power of Conscious Connection with Talia Fox | 263 Gentleness: Cultivating Compassion for Yourself and Others with Courtney Carver | 282 Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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