#597 - Lewis Capaldi

Summary

Podcast Summary: This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von – Episode #597 featuring Lewis Capaldi

Release Date: July 15, 2025
Guest: Lewis Capaldi, Scottish Singer-Songwriter

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1. Introduction and Welcome

Theo Von kicks off the episode by introducing Lewis Capaldi, highlighting his triumphant return to Glastonbury after a hiatus to focus on personal well-being. He also mentions Capaldi's new single, "Survive," available on all streaming platforms.

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2. Cultural Identity and Accents

Timestamp: [01:50] - [03:02]

Theo and Lewis delve into the nuances of Scottish versus Irish accents, discussing the international recognition of the Irish accent compared to the Scottish one.

• Theo Von: "It's hard to understand. I feel like it's hard to understand the Scottish sometimes."
• Lewis Capaldi: "I'd say it's the hardest because we've not got the international identity the Irish people have."

They humorously compare cultural symbols, pondering if Scotland has its own version of the Irish leprechaun.

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3. UFO Phenomena in Scotland

Timestamp: [11:34] - [19:20]

The conversation shifts to the intriguing topic of UFO sightings in Scotland, particularly focusing on the Livingston Incident, also known as the Taylor Incident.

• Theo Von: "I think Scotland has some of the most UFO sightings anywhere."
• Lewis Capaldi: "Yeah, but I never knew that."

They discuss local legends and the impact of societal issues like the Glasgow Effect on mental health, inadvertently linking it to the prevalence of UFO sightings.

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4. Mental Health and Personal Struggles

Timestamp: [21:05] - [55:10]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Lewis Capaldi's candid discussion about his mental health journey, including his experiences with Tourette's Syndrome and the importance of therapy.

• Lewis Capaldi: "I had a breakdown on stage at Glastonbury in 2023. It was terrible, but it forced me to seek help."
• Theo Von: "Fair play to these braziered men. Are you feeling okay?"

Lewis shares how stepping away from the limelight allowed him to recalibrate, undergo therapy, and manage his condition better.

• Lewis Capaldi: "Therapy every week has been really beneficial for me. It's been the biggest thing that's switched everything around."

He emphasizes the importance of external validation and how fame can exacerbate mental health issues, highlighting the need for genuine self-awareness and support systems.

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5. The Impact of Fame

Timestamp: [35:00] - [43:48]

Theo and Lewis explore how fame affects personal identity and mental health. Lewis expresses feelings of embarrassment and the pressure to maintain an image.

• Lewis Capaldi: "Being famous is the most embarrassing thing of all time. I constantly feel like I'm either too famous or not famous enough."
• Theo Von: "It's interesting to imagine that you're important."

They discuss the challenges of maintaining authenticity in the public eye and the psychological toll it can take.

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6. Family and Personal Life

Timestamp: [87:21] - [90:19]

Lewis introduces his family members, mentioning his two brothers and sister, and how they have been a source of support.

• Lewis Capaldi: "My brother Warren was a musician and got me into music. Aiden is the closest of us."
• Theo Von: "You have tour relationships. That's amazing."

They share anecdotes about family dynamics and the role of his upbringing in shaping his personality and resilience.

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7. Music, Songwriting, and Collaborations

Timestamp: [76:00] - [85:49]

The discussion turns to Lewis's songwriting process, his upcoming EP, and potential collaborations with other artists like Dermot Kennedy and James Blake.

• Lewis Capaldi: "Writing 'How I'm Feeling Now' was a pivotal moment for me. It's about having everything you want but still feeling unsatisfied."
• Theo Von: "If you and Dermot Kennedy did a collaboration, that'd be pretty amazing."

Lewis reflects on the challenges of writing from personal experiences and the therapeutic nature of music.

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8. Upcoming Tours and Projects

Timestamp: [93:58] - [94:54]

Lewis shares details about his upcoming tours, including Australia and the UK, and his excitement to get back on stage after his hiatus.

• Lewis Capaldi: "The Australia tour is the exact same tour we canceled, but we're launching a fresh UK tour in September."
• Theo Von: "Glad you're feeling good and excited to hear what you do."

He expresses enthusiasm about reconnecting with fans and continuing his musical journey.

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9. Closing Remarks

Timestamp: [94:56] - [95:17]

Theo and Lewis wrap up the conversation with heartfelt thanks, mutual appreciation, and final goodbyes.

• Lewis Capaldi: "Thank you for having us on. It's been really helpful to talk about these things."
• Theo Von: "Lewis Capaldi, man. Thank you, brother."

Lewis also extends gratitude to his sponsor, BetterHelp, discussing the importance of accessible mental health support.

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Notable Quotes:

• Lewis Capaldi on Therapy:
  "Therapy every week has been really beneficial for me. It's been the biggest thing that's switched everything around."
  [55:10]

• Theo Von on Authenticity:
  "People are craving a bit of authenticity."
  [39:50]

• Lewis Capaldi on Fame and Self-Image:
  "Being famous is the most embarrassing thing of all time. I constantly feel like I'm either too famous or not famous enough."
  [41:37]

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Conclusion

In this episode of "This Past Weekend," Theo Von engages in a deep and introspective conversation with Lewis Capaldi, exploring themes of cultural identity, mental health, the pressures of fame, and the healing power of music. Capaldi's openness about his struggles and triumphs offers listeners a genuine and relatable perspective, reinforcing the podcast's commitment to discussing meaningful and real-life topics.

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Note: Advertisements, introductory segments, and non-content sections have been excluded from this summary to focus solely on the substantive discussions between Theo Von and Lewis Capaldi.

Transcript

[Theo Von]

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[Lewis Capaldi]

Again. I feel like I'm in the thing. I feel like I've stepped through the screen, you know, I mean, here we are.

[Theo Von]

Oh, here we are.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Locked in Class, class, class, lads.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's hard to understand. I feel like it's hard to understand the Scottish sometimes.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd say it's the hardest because we've not got the international identity the Irish people have.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I mean, so everyone kind of knows the Irish accent. But I feel like Scotland is like Ireland's sort of like ugly little sister. No one really, like, you know, I mean, people. We don't have that sort of like, international thing. Whatever.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, Ireland has that thing like the, you know, they have like the leprechaun or whatever. Do you guys have a version of the leprechaun?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I guess, like, William Wallace is like the only.

[Theo Von]

Oh, he's a powerful leprechaun, then.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Big man. Yeah, Big man thing.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I wonder who the Irish version of the leprechaun. Just like a regular guy that needs help, probably. It's just like a guy that just, like, it can't get his grandmother on.

[Lewis Capaldi]

The phone or something.

[Theo Von]

Dude, good to see you today, man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Good to see you too, man. Thank you. Awesome for having us.

[Theo Von]

Thank you for all the beautiful music, man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Thank you. No, yeah, that's what I. That's what I do.

[Theo Von]

I appreciate it.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Thanks for the. All the laughs.

[Theo Von]

Okay, we're even. It's cool. How something can cross like to a total different culture. I mean that's kind of fascinating. You know that I could go to Scotland and have people come see a show and that you could come here and have people.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah man, it's, it's wild. Especially because I don't think you ever. Well I don't know about you but like I never get into this thinking about like I never assumed that I would be in America doing things like this so like people would come see shows or anything like that. So yeah, it's mad. It's just like it always feels like a bit of a blessing.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Coming over here and doing this in a dream.

[Theo Von]

Sometimes it feels like I think or I don't. Does it ever feel to you like you're living in a dream?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Kind of in a way, yeah, for sure. I think especially like I took two years off there and like I was sort of living this sort of mundane day to day.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Life. But it was just so. It was weird now being, being back in it all sort of. The last few weeks has been a bit of a mad. Yeah. Like a. Yeah. It feels out of body and. But strange. But I'm loving it. Yeah, it's great. It's the best.

[Theo Von]

And you did, did you do Good Morning America?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I did just this morning. I've been up since four. Oh yeah, it's early as early but, but kind of jet lagged so I kind of, kind of played into my, my hand.

[Theo Von]

It evens out maybe.

[Lewis Capaldi]

But it was good.

[Theo Von]

They should call it Goodbye America. I feel like we're.

[Lewis Capaldi]

What's going on?

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah. Oh we're about to get on a boat and come back. You know what I'm saying? Where's.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Oh, there I am.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that was you today.

[Lewis Capaldi]

That's literally me earlier on wearing. Yeah. Wearing a nice green jacket.

[Theo Von]

Oh that's beautiful. And who's the ginger there on the, on the.

[Lewis Capaldi]

That's my, that's my piano player Aiden.

[Theo Von]

Oh sorry. Aiden.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Aiden. Yes, yes. He's very gentle.

[Theo Von]

Okay, good. We've classified him then.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, no but he's. Yeah, good man. I.

[Theo Von]

It's like the scarlet letter of haircuts. I feel like being a ginger, you know.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Exactly. He's. He's maybe the most redheaded guy I've ever met.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And is he a Scotsman?

[Lewis Capaldi]

He is a Scotsman. They're all Scott. Well the drummer, my drummer is a very posh English man named Freddie. Oh yeah, I know, I know it's but it's quite. It was A weird thing. We looked for a drummer for a long time and he was like. We kind of went through. It was like speed date. Went for a lot of different drummers and it was like this really posh English guy that fit in with these sort of normal Scottish men. So it's been lovely. Oh, there he is. That's Freddie.

[Theo Von]

Oh, there he is.

[Lewis Capaldi]

This is well good, how quick you guys are.

[Theo Von]

And he's doing well, look at him.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, he's doing. He's doing very well. Just had a little child, little baby.

[Theo Von]

Oh God.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Well about a year ago now. So she's. Yeah, she's a. She's nice. She's. I mean she's fine. I mean, I don't know baby. As babies go.

[Theo Von]

I don't know her.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, as babies go. Yeah, yeah. She doesn't say much.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, she emails late at night though.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah. She gets on that laptop and really occasionally rattle off. She'll fire off a few emails. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Dude, I've been to Scotland before. We did Glasgow and did a show over there.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yes. How, how did you find it?

[Theo Von]

Oh, it was quite. It reminded me a bit of like a lot of people. Like day labor, like kind of like contractor type of people. Like.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, proper like working class.

[Theo Von]

Working class.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Blue collar. Yeah. Over here. Yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Down and dirty or like a dark blue. Yeah, maybe.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, definitely. I mean guys, some of them, they would, you know, one of them would talk and one of them would whistle. Just like unique, you know, like one guy, you had to tickle him to get the truth out of them, you know, Just a lot of like special. Just unique folks.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, it's a, it's a great place. I love Glasgow. I don't like, I kind of split my time now between Glasgow and London, but yeah, I always miss it when I go. Yeah, it's just a different sort of. Yeah. Different type of person that you get maybe than in the London's and.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah, dude, they're a bit more refined there. They're a bit more like kind of like you see like those nutcrackers at Christmas and they're all like polished and like, you know they have like a nice head and like a little thing.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah. Like you're Cat Williams. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're a bit more.

[Theo Von]

Cat Williams over there in, in London. And then you get to Scotland and it's just some guy licking a pitchfork, you know.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Just hoping for the best. I love that.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, I love that man. It's. It's Pretty special, but. Yeah, it's a great place. Glasgow. Been there. But you're in. You're in Nashville now.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I live in Nashville now.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, I love Nashville. We're going there on Wednesday.

[Theo Von]

This Wednesday?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I think so, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Christ.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, I'll be gone. Yeah, I'm not just that.

[Theo Von]

We're here.

[Lewis Capaldi]

We're here now. We're here now. Enjoying this. And the Chelsea.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, the Chelsea Hotel. A famous place.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. So many interesting people. We interviewed, actually, in this room. Craig from Craigslist. The guy that started Craigslist.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. And how's he?

[Theo Von]

Oh, he is. He's got a.

[Lewis Capaldi]

He just a lot going on.

[Theo Von]

A lot. I mean, think of all the things that are passing through. You got a used car, you have somebody, you know, selling homemade Narcan. You got a lot of passing through.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Here, you know, you got a lot of.

[Theo Von]

In your bucks.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, of course. Did he still. Has he sold it or does he still own it?

[Theo Von]

He has a partial ownership, I believe. This is correct. He has a partial ownership, but he's not active with it anymore.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Sure. Right. Okay.

[Theo Von]

And now he's just, like a philanthropist, but he was a very unique man. Craig Newmark was his name.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Craig Newmark? Yeah. Shout out Craig Newmark. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Shout out Craig.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah. We wouldn't say Craig. We'd say Craig.

[Theo Von]

Oh, Craig.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Craig. Craigslist. It'd be called.

[Theo Von]

Oh, Craigslist. Oh, that sounds even more risque.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Sounds like.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you might meet a dentist in the dark on there.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah. Craig. Craig. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And what does Craig mean? Does it mean something? And.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I don't know. I just. It's the name, I think. I don't know if it's like. I don't know if it's. If it has any true meaning or anything. Like maybe Warrior Craig. Oh, Paul Craig. They are.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

He once called me a loser on his podcast.

[Theo Von]

Really?

[Lewis Capaldi]

He said. I said. I actually quite like Paul Craig, but he said I should lose weight and that I was a loser.

[Theo Von]

Well, dude, if he lost weight, he'd be a loser, technically.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Exactly. Yeah. The biggest loser.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Don't give him the title before you.

[Lewis Capaldi]

But I saw the clip. But, Paul, congratulations on everything. Sorry about what happened at the last.

[Theo Von]

Sorry. Lewis isn't enough for you.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, sorry. Sorry, man. Yeah, yeah. Paul Craig. No, but that would be Craig. Yeah. Craig.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Anyway, Paul Craig.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Dude, the Scots, man, they're fascinating. They're just fascinating. You'd almost like. I wouldn't be surprised if he was in the U.S. you know? Or and you're in a zoo. And they had a couple in there somewhere, like, you know, they're taking care of it.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Drinking, sort of like they're healthy in there. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yelling at you.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Screaming at the fences and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds. That sounds like us.

[Theo Von]

We're singing like a good. Do they have, like, a lot of good, like, Scottish songs and stuff.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Oh, flower of Scotland when will we see you're like again that fought and died for your wee bittern cliff that stood against him proud Edwards army and sent him homeward to think again. Come on. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's us. That's a good one that we've got. We've also got. What's your name? Ali. Bali Alibali. B Setting on your mommy's knee. That's a good one. Yeah. I don't know when it goes after that.

[Theo Von]

Well, that one ends in the courts, I think it sounds like.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, exactly.

[Theo Von]

That sounds like a domestics dispute, you know, but, yeah, I just. I think, yeah, the. The most fascinating kind of like Scotland. It's like the DIY England.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's like.

[Theo Von]

We'll figure it out.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, we'll will be fine up there. But although we did not to get into independence, we did vote, vote, vote to not leave the England. People think Scottish people hate English people, but it's not true. I love. I love English people. Yeah, I love. I love them so much.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I don't. I know.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I don't have anything against English people.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

In fact, I love, love them.

[Theo Von]

If I saw them, I would definitely pat them on the back.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, come pat them back in there. Like a little, like one of those little, like, love taps on, like on the back, on the backside.

[Theo Von]

On the.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, send them on the way.

[Theo Von]

On the low back.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Just a little back. Yeah, consensually. Yeah, of course. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

It seems like there's a lot more. You have to be very consensual over there.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, Yeah. I think everywhere it's good to be consensual.

[Theo Von]

Good call.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Sorry, yeah, just.

[Theo Von]

And that's not going to age well, but in Scotland, it's just a bit more like, whose tit is this? You know, kind of. And it's on your mate half the time.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Man's tips. It's always a man's t. We're talking about men, ladies. Yeah. We're talking about men's tits.

[Theo Von]

TS Relax. It's not always about your tits, you know, you don't Think some of us are wearing braziers now. They have that sh. Gas. Alexander just had a brazier on the other day. One of the most famous basketball players in the United States.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Oh, really? Can. Is that a thing that.

[Theo Von]

I can pull up a gander at this. He was wearing a men's brazier.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Lovely stuff. Is that like. What is the.

[Theo Von]

But, yeah, Beau. I mean, it's coming. I guess things.

[Lewis Capaldi]

What is the. What is the. The use in that? Because he doesn't look like he's packing heat.

[Theo Von]

I mean, I bet I haven't seen. This is as much of. As I've seen.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I'm gonna just, you know, based on charts I've seen online, I bet he's doing okay.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, for sure.

[Theo Von]

I think. Yeah. I don't know. I think maybe times are changing. I don't know.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, it looks. I mean, hey, fair play.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, fair play.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Fair play. That's what. That's what I always say.

[Theo Von]

Fair play to these braziered men.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

As they say. Are you feeling okay?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, I feel great.

[Theo Von]

Doing good?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, I feel relaxed and chilled.

[Theo Von]

Good man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

What is Celsius?

[Theo Von]

So Celsius is our sponsor and this is. I mean, this will definitely. It just gets you kind of going, you know?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna have a sip.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, get in there.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I've never. I've never tried it before.

[Theo Von]

You haven't?

[Lewis Capaldi]

That's lovely. That is actually really nice Celsius.

[Theo Von]

I'll have a bit with you.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Cheers.

[Theo Von]

Cheers, lad.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Cheers, sir. A word for my sponsors. Hey, there you go. Oh, man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, this. Dude. You have a couple of these, you'll see a couple UFOs.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I always thought it was alcoholic. Can you get alcoholic Celsius or.

[Theo Von]

No, it's a great question. Do they have that?

[Lewis Capaldi]

No, you should really. They should really wade into that market. I think so. That'd be a good. That'd be a good shift.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I bet at some point they will. I mean, you're going to get an email immediately for alcoholics. You're going to have. You're going to get a collab.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, Great. I mean, that's what I'm. That's what I'm angling. I mean, I'm here collecting sponsors. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Dude, in Scotland, you guys see some of the most UFOs, do you know that?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I didn't know that. No, no, no. I'm not. I'm not as up to speed with my alien stuff as I should be, but is that. Is that the case? More? Yes.

[Theo Von]

I think Scotland is one of the most. I think Scotland has some of the most UF UFO sightings anywhere.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Really. I think there. There's also like. That's also got something to do with people like, you know, taking more drugs in Scotland.

[Theo Von]

Oh, definitely. And then some people just need a ride home.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Just hoping anything will come get them.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Theo Von]

What's that? There was a video of a guy, one of the first sightings over there, burnt. What was his name? Yeah, this is a guy right here. It's Bobby Taylor, think. With a big round dome, a very dark gray color. Had a.

[Lewis Capaldi]

A big flange going all the way around. I could see arms sticking out of.

[Theo Von]

This flange with what I took to be blades on the towel as I stood here, there was two balls came out. Two balls. I think there'd be about three feet in diameter with about six. It could have just been a. It could have been just a big gay guy running towards him. You know what I'm saying? It could have just been a big gay guy in a helmet running towards him.

[Lewis Capaldi]

He also sounds like he might have a few on board, though. You know what I mean? It's not like Robert Bobby Taylor there sounds like he could be under the influence slightly. So I'm not sure that that's like.

[Theo Von]

No, I'm glad you're here because this is Livingston.

[Lewis Capaldi]

That's so close to where I grew up.

[Theo Von]

Really?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, so close to where I grew. I grew up like 10 minutes from there.

[Theo Von]

Oh, wow. That's very close.

[Lewis Capaldi]

It's called Eastburn in between Glasgow, Edinburgh. But that's so close to where I live and is.

[Theo Von]

Have you heard of this man?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I've never heard of Robert Taylor. He hasn't. Hasn't really made it into the.

[Theo Von]

He was attacked by a UFO in the deck. In the deck.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Deckment Woods.

[Theo Von]

You've heard of him?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I haven't heard of. I've heard of the Woods. I haven't heard of Robert. But then that's what they do. They try and. They try and suppress this stuff, don't they?

[Theo Von]

Oh, for sure you can. Yeah. This guy should not be.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, Westloon, that's where. That's literally where I grew up.

[Theo Von]

Really.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

In UF the. The Taylor Incident, AKA Livingston Incident or Detriment Woods Encounter is the name given to claims of sight sighting an extraterrestrial spacecraft in Livingston. West Lothian.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

That's where Whitman is.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I never thought I'd hear the advance say West Lillian Wl Upon Lippy. That's another thing. Yeah, well, the upper lippy is like a. A young team. There's a thing in Scotland called. There's things all over Scotland called young teams. And it's like groups of youths or. Or like. And they sort of get together and cause mischief and like, you know, I don't know, like fighting stuff.

[Theo Von]

Gangs.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah. So I wouldn't even class it as guys. It's not as like. It's not as violent. Violent. There's fights, but like everyone. You kind of go around on your bikes and like punch, punch at each. I was never in one, obviously, but like punch at each other. We had like West Weapon Lupi. That's the only one I know. Yeah, it was a song like Wetborn Lupin. Not sorry. Her man. Her and you and me we'll show you what we can do with a baseball bat and a snooker Slash the faces, jump the back Use the queue as a baseball bat. Wetborn Lippy nuts are we. We are the Wetborn Lupi.

[Theo Von]

Let's go, dude. I'll join right now. Get somebody that freaking Glasgow smile, right? Wow. According to Taylor, a forestry worker for the Livingston Development Corporation, on November 9, 1979, he parked his pickup truck at the side of a road near the motorway and walked along a force path. He claims he experienced a foul odor, like burning brakes.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I mean, it sounds pretty similar. The spheres, like, similar to sea mains had seized him and were dragging him in the direction of a larger object when he lost consciousness. Oh, but they always lose consciousness right before they see them.

[Theo Von]

It is true.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Do you know what I mean? So what is. What is happening?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it sounds like he blacked out. I mean anything. Yeah, I mean he definitely. You said out of the gate it looked like he'd maybe had one or two.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah. You know, board. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And also the thing about a lot of UFOs, dude, you never. We never even. We never even found a gas cap on the ground or anything like. These are flying everywhere. We never find a rear view mirror.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, exactly.

[Theo Von]

You tell me they're that well assembled that not one of them every had a fault. Yes, a spare tire or something. Even just one of those jacks they used to fix the side of it.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I'm not like a. A huge believer in UFOs or aliens, but I. I'm. I'm curious. Yeah, I'm curious.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. I'm. I'm always interested to see.

[Theo Von]

You're alien curious.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I'm alien curious. Yeah, me too.

[Theo Von]

I would just be. Oh, I hope if they get me? They're women that get me. But yeah. The fall, what was that? The Falkirk Triangle.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Falkirk Triangle. Falkirk's also not far from where I live. This is all. They all seem to be happening in my sort of. My little concentrated area of London. Yeah. Scotland. Sorry, yeah.

[Theo Von]

The Falkirk Triangle. It sounds like three kind of thicker ladies splitting a bit of haggis, doesn't it?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, it does, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. The Falkirk Triangle is a region in central Scotland renowned as one of the world's most active UFO hotspots. You didn't know that?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I didn't know that. No. That's not. People haven't like. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's not become a real. It's not as famous as.

[Theo Von]

But how many do you need before people tap each other on the shoulder?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yes. Things. Things are going on here. This isn't like. This isn't normal. The thing as well. You'd be able to catch them. Like you'd be able. If 300 are happening a year in the area, you'd be able to wait out and be like, okay, they're coming at some point. Do you know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. You think? Just some guy.

[Lewis Capaldi]

That's mad though. I never knew that.

[Theo Von]

What is it? I wonder what leads to those ufo. I wonder. What if there's something in Scotland that leads to it. Is it the diet? Is it the.

[Lewis Capaldi]

There was a. There was a thing called the Glad. The Glasgow Effect a couple of years ago. Well, I still. I think it's like the life expectancy in Glasgow at one Stage was like 55 years old or whatever. And I remember this girl did like this thing where she was looking. It was like an art project, but she was looking for funding so she could live like a. A Glaswegian for a year and see how affected her health.

[Theo Von]

So she could love a Glaswegian.

[Lewis Capaldi]

No, live. Live like a Glaswegian. Like live the diet, the. The sort of surroundings. People were really up in arms about it because it was very like sort of poverty safari sort of.

[Theo Von]

Right. Like. Like almost like a super size me, but for Scotland.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very like. It was thingy, but. Yeah. Excess mode. The Glasgow Effect refers to the observation resident of Glasgow experience lower life expectancy and poorer health outcomes than people living in similarly deprived cities in the United Kingdom and Europe. There you go. But I don't. I think it's better now. I think it is much better now.

[Theo Von]

I think the people are just so great. God wants them back quicker that's great.

[Lewis Capaldi]

That's a good way of looking at it.

[Theo Von]

That's what I feel like. The rest of you guys can mill around on Earth.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, just keep it. Keep it going down there. Yeah. Yeah, dude.

[Theo Von]

The last 30 years are downhill anyway. We'll show up in heaven in style. I like that.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, that's class, dude. How old are you?

[Theo Von]

I'm 45, man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Really?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I'm gonna die soon, dude. Let me get a look.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Very, very sprightly. 45.

[Theo Von]

You know, I don't feel. I. I swear to God, I don't. I don't. If this is what 45 feels like, I can't even believe it because I don't feel 45.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I don't even. I don't think. I think, like, I'm 45.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

So I think something's wrong with me, and I'm not even joking. I really do. I thought I would just have more, like, adult feelings or be a young grandfather at this point, but none of that's happening.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Of course. I definitely get. The older I get, the more I'm, like, aging kind of scares me slightly. Not even eight. Not even age and getting older, but, like, the loss of, like, youth.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Even though, like, things have gone, I've, like, done been really lucky and, like, had, like, a really, like, dreams have come true and stuff. I still, like, find myself paining and longing for, like, when I was younger and even, like. I don't know why. It's, like a. A big thing for me. It's this same, like, I'm running out of time sort of thing. But I think that everyone gets that.

[Theo Von]

I don't know. I don't know if some people get it so severely, because I think about that all the time. Like, youth. Like, I'm, like, almost obsessed with what it was like to be young, you know, and almost. I think a lot of times I don't want to grow up.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

At any. I don't ever want to do it.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You know, like. But yeah, I think. I guess I think one thing about youth is that everything was, like, so adventurous, maybe, or. I don't know. Why do you think that is? What do you. Do you think there's, like.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I don't know. I don't know if it's, like, any.

[Theo Von]

Themes about youth that make you feel that way.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I guess there's people, like. There's people around you that are. That aren't here anymore. I guess it's a point in your life where everyone Is like everyone's there. I mean, I guess my grandmother died when I was three, so I was very quick to. I think that may be a big thing with my worry of like my. What's the word? Obsession with like, you know, youth and.

[Theo Von]

Aging and all the attachment and all that.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Because I. I learned from like a young age that people. It's finite and people die and stuff. And I think. Yeah, I think maybe that might be something that I attached to or like that. There's. There's less. There's less.

[Theo Von]

Was she a cool lady? A grand.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, she was cool.

[Theo Von]

What's her name?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I don't know. My mom's gonna kill her.

[Theo Von]

No, she won't. Your grandmother's dead. They need you.

[Lewis Capaldi]

What was my grand's name? That's called a nana.

[Theo Von]

That's fair. And if she. First of all.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Can I text mom and ask her what her name was, please?

[Theo Von]

Any. Any grandmother going by her natural born name, first of all, is a tramp. Every grandmother should be nana from.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Now I want to text my brother because I feel that my mom would be like, what the fuck are you doing?

[Theo Von]

Might be a bit much for her. Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

What was mom's. Mom's name?

[Theo Von]

Two more sips of Celsius, you'll remember it.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I bet if you have a sip of Celsius right now, you might remember it.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I can't fucking remember her name. That's mental.

[Theo Von]

But yeah, you've been through a lot, dude. We've seen.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's mental.

[Theo Von]

Ah, is it though?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I'll keep it. I'll keep it.

[Theo Von]

I'll tell you this. I don't know my father's mother's name.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Oh, but there you go. But you. Your father was much older.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, he's older, man. Yeah, my grandmother was born in 1884.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Wow.

[Theo Von]

But I should still probably know in it.

[Lewis Capaldi]

First name. Yeah, but in case, you know, you know, a mayor. No, I never met her, but she's born on 1884. That says.

[Theo Von]

No, I've seen some drawing. We had drawings of her and stuff at our house, but I. Yeah, I never met her.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

But we had four pretty good drawings. One actually, one my uncle did. And it was shy, dude.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, it was sh.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it was horrible with markers.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. It's a. No photos, just drawings.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

And from memory maybe.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

So who knows? It could have been anyone, really. It could have just been an old lady. Yeah. Yeah. So. So you don't.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it could have been Just some friend of Paddington bears.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I had no clue it could have been anyone of the queen. Do you know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, yeah, it could have been the queen. Like, damn, grandma had a scepter. That's pretty crazy.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

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[Lewis Capaldi]

So we'll get back to that. My. My mother's my Mother's mother's name.

[Theo Von]

And look, it'll be something that we'll ch. We'll check towards the end.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, but Nan is.

[Theo Von]

Nan is it. That's what everybody.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Nana.

[Theo Von]

Nana.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Nana. Yeah, it's like, I thought. Is that a Scottish thing or like. No, I think some Americans say Nana.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I'm trying to think what we say here. A lot of people say, like, Grammy, Mimi, Mimo, Memaw, too.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah. What would you. What would you.

[Theo Von]

Grandmother. Evil grandmother. I would say also at times. Or distant grandmother.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Cold grandmother.

[Theo Von]

Older lady with the key is also a term that I would throw around sometimes. No, my grandma. Yeah, she was. My grandmother was good at. Like, she would make us nice treats.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And that was one thing I do that thought that she was good at.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Fun, memories, treats.

[Theo Von]

She liked to feed you, you know.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Listen, I've got a lot of people like that in my life.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. I'm a big. I'm a big proponent of being fed. Oh, I like to be fed.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Look. Yeah. Sounds weirder than I wanted to say, but I just meant I like. I like eating.

[Theo Von]

Well, of course you should eat while you're here. I mean, according to the Scottish mortality rate.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. There's only so much time left. Exactly. I think on.

[Theo Von]

No wonder you feel so much about your youth, you know? No wonder you do.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I think my brother's text back. All right, let me see.

[Theo Von]

It's awesome.

[Lewis Capaldi]

What? Mom's mom's name was Melissa. It wasn't Melissa. No. No grandmother's ever been called Melissa.

[Theo Von]

Not that I know.

[Lewis Capaldi]

No.

[Theo Von]

Unless it's like, kind of like a Melissa.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Maggie. I guess we'll get to the bottom of this by. By the end of the podcast. I'm 100.

[Theo Von]

This is our UFO.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, this is meant. I'll just keep it. Sorry.

[Theo Von]

No, I think it's great, man. Yeah. Dude. Who's on. Who's on your Scottish Mount Rushmore? If you had to kind of piece.

[Lewis Capaldi]

One together, Billy Conley would be up there for sure.

[Theo Von]

Okay. Billy Conley.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Billy Conley, maybe I like. There's a Scottish singer I love called Paolo Natini.

[Theo Von]

What is his name?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Paolo Natini. He's Scottish, Italian, much like myself. Well, not quite like myself because he looks Italian and I look like this. Yeah, see, he's got that sort of like, Italian.

[Theo Von]

Wow. I didn't know that. So that's a Scotsman.

[Lewis Capaldi]

That's a Scotsman. Yeah. Oh, and. Yeah, but he. He's up there for me as a musician. I'm Such a. Grew up listening to him and.

[Theo Von]

Have you guys ever gotten to tour or collaborate together?

[Lewis Capaldi]

We've. I've had a few beers with them. I've been to see him and had a few beers with them. That was like a really nice sort of Phil. Soccer one. He's very elusive. He'll like disappear for years and then come back and sing and take it. But he's. He's an incredible, incredible talent. But he'll be. He'd be up there for me. I'm trying to think of actors.

[Theo Von]

Oh, Sean Connery, maybe.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Sean Connery would be up there.

[Theo Von]

I mean, he's a very historical figure.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, Sean Connery probably would be up there. Yeah. Actor wise.

[Theo Von]

What about Shane McGowan? Was he Scottish?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Irish? He is, yeah.

[Theo Von]

He might have been high enough. He thought he was Scottish.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I think he was born in England's name again, I don't know, but I.

[Theo Von]

Think Sean Connery is. He was very much the epitome of class. Robert Louis Stevenson. That.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Or like Alexander Graham Bell.

[Theo Von]

Is he Scottish?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, I think he's got. Scott. Scottish. People invented telephone and television. John Logie Baird. Is that the guy who invented the television?

[Theo Von]

Well, Robert Lewis, Steven. They invented the telephone. Who invented the telephone? Really? Oh, my gosh, dude. Thank you.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Don't worry, honestly. Thank you. You're more than welcome. That's quite a recent. Looks like quite a recent picture. What's going on there? It must be AI or something.

[Theo Von]

Nah, they said. What do you mean? Do you think that's AI?

[Lewis Capaldi]

It's just been colored. It's just been.

[Theo Von]

Dude, he. You guys invented the damn telephone. Who did he call first?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I don't know. There's no one else on the other end of the line. I guess that's the problem.

[Theo Von]

That's a great point. That must have been the worst part. Imagine the day they're, like debuting it and nobody else even has one.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, exactly. Rubbish. It must be that the guy who got the first A for you know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Oh, he's like, oh, my wife didn't pick up. I'm gonna stay for another party.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, it's mad.

[Theo Von]

Alexander Graham Bell's first telephone call was to his assistant, Thomas A. Watson. Bell uttered the famous words, Mr. Watson, come here, I want to see you.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Wow. Quit sexual.

[Theo Von]

Definitely. Well, look, disco. A lot of men invented things. I think a lot of men who allegedly had maybe some zesty tendencies invented things because they had. They needed to meet other men.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And they didn't want to say out in Public, Hey?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, exactly. You needed to. You wanted to be, like, discreet. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

So pick up this little whisper mobile.

[Lewis Capaldi]

That little Come Heather Come Heather machine.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, the Come Hither machine. Wow. That's wild, dude.

[Lewis Capaldi]

That's lovely.

[Theo Von]

That's amazing. Yeah. I didn't know that it's. And that was March 10, 1876. He did not.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Not long before your grandmother was born.

[Theo Von]

That's true.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Oh, it's all coming around now, isn't it?

[Theo Von]

Rip. Melissa.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Melissa. Oh, he's texting me. Sorry, I'm really. It's really rude that I'm putting my phone out as much as I am.

[Theo Von]

No, what do you mean? We have to know.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Oh, Mum's mum. Margaret.

[Theo Von]

Oh, Margaret.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, Margaret. I knew it was Margaret. I would have said that. Maggie. Margaret. Yeah, there you go, Margaret. I knew.

[Theo Von]

Wake up, Maggie.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I think I got something to say to you.

[Theo Von]

Oh.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I did a lot of singing on this podcast so far.

[Theo Von]

It's great, though.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, I'm really, really taking. And he's also a fan of Glasgow Celtic.

[Theo Von]

Is he really?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, Rod Stewart.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

He passed away.

[Lewis Capaldi]

No, he's alive and well.

[Theo Von]

Oh, good. People said he passed. I'm glad he's doing good now.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, I think so. I think he just played there. I think he just played Glastonbury, like, last week or something.

[Theo Von]

I was gonna be. I was gonna be disappointed for a bit.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Thank God he's alive. Yes. Yeah. If you're watching Rod.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. You mentioned Glastonbury a few minutes ago. You just returned, huh?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I just got back. Yeah. Just got. Just came back on stage. But I have a comeback thing. Yeah, it was lovely. It was like a really special, special moment. I didn't. Two years ago. I basically had, like, this. I don't call, like, a mental breakdown, but it was like a breakdown of sorts on stage that had been a long time coming, to be honest, on stage at that Glastonbury in 2023. And then I took two years off to sort of, like, recalibrate and resort of, you know, did a lot of therapy and got myself in a much better headspace and dealt with. I had been told I had Tourette's and stuff, and that was really causing me a lot of stress and I didn't know how to deal with it. And now, yeah, after these two years off, I really wanted to come back and, you know, do Glastonbury and sort of like, as a. Like a mental sort of. Of when, sort of finished the thing that I couldn't Finish before. And it was amazing. Yeah. Like, really, really, maybe like the best day of my life, to be honest. It was a really, really special moment, and I'm just. Yeah. I'm really glad that we got to. Got to do it. And it was just. Yeah. Blew my mind about.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Mad, mad, mad. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I mean, I've seen the videos. It looks. You can feel the energy in both. In both of the.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

The. The. The. The performances I've seen on YouTube, you can feel the energy in both of them. Was part of you, like, glad? Like, you know, there's this weird, like. Because you're very transparent, I feel like with your audience, I feel like as much as you can be. And I think as a human. Right. You try to put yourself out there.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

As. As well as you know yourself.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And that's how you try to present yourself.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And of course, we're always, like, getting to know ourselves more.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Right.

[Theo Von]

And so that will change over time. Were you. Were you glad, almost in a weird way that some of that kind of like. I don't want to call it a breakdown, but some of, like that. Like that. That real of a moment in your life, was there a little bit of you that was glad or were you scared that it happened in such a public way? Does that make any sense?

[Lewis Capaldi]

No, no, it makes complete sense. And I was. I was so happy. Like, when I came off, like, when it happened and when it was happening, I was. It was like the lowest moment of my life, and it was horrible. But, like, I made this. I had this moment where I was on stage, like, two, three songs in. I was like, this is the last time I'm going to play a gig. For a long time. I was. I need to try and get through the rest of the show, but right when I come off, I'm done. So when I got off stage, it was obviously, again, horrible on at the moment on stage and, you know, experiencing or whatever. But. Excuse me, I. When I got off stage, everyone else around me was a bit like, oh, this is the worst thing ever. And I had this weird sort of a weight had been lifted of like, oh, no, this thing's happened and I have to get help sort of thing. It wasn't. I had been putting it off because funnily enough, a few weeks prior to that show and last me, we were playing in Chicago and I had a very similar episode. It was probably even worse, the one in Chicago. I couldn't come back on stage and finish the song. I was like, backstage convulsing. And having, like, this crazy panic attack, mental, like, episode. It was really, really bad. Way worse than what happened to Glastonbury. Because Glastonbury is such a. Like you say, like a backstage and a big moment. It was the first time people outside of maybe, you know, my shows or whatever had seen it. So, yeah, at Glastonbury, when I came off stage, it was weird. I had this, oh, everything's all right now, and I can actually go and get help and fix myself for these for the next two years. And it was. Yeah. In a weird way, it's probably the best thing that happened to me that. That moment, Glastonbury into three. Because it was just. I wouldn't have stopped otherwise if I had. If I could, like, think, I'm really bad for. I say. I say I'm really bad. I was really bad for not saying no to things.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Like, feeling like, oh, this is going to pass me by if I don't say yes to this. All this amazing stuff's coming at me now and I have to, like, catch it all and sort of get it all done and. And do this. Otherwise these moments are going to pass me by and I'm, you know, it's never going to happen again. So I said yesterday too much and I took way too much on. Everyone around me was like. Was asking me, are you sure this is okay? Should I say I was like, yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. But, yeah, so Glastonbury 2023 was for sure the biggest, like, was. Yeah. Really important and like, my. Yeah. Maybe the most important day in my life, to be honest, because it was such a. Yeah. I wouldn't have stopped otherwise. I mean, it was like, almost like.

[Theo Von]

Like a blessing, kind of.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. It's like someone upstairs was like, this has to happen now, otherwise I don't want to think about where I would be now if I hadn't.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I've continued to do it because we may go to Australia and stuff like that and.

[Theo Von]

And he could have fallen apart, man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It could have been really, really. Yeah. Horrible. I tried to think, yeah. What would happen otherwise? I mean, so. And, yeah, a bit of a blessing in disguise, I think, for sure.

[Theo Von]

And I. You know what I thought about? I, like, I felt like it was just like. I think we're at a time where people just want to see something that's real.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You know, they want to see somebody that's like, you Know, that's not hiding all their tough times, you know, that's trying to at least be earnest, as earnest as you can, you know, so. Yeah, I just thought it was. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think seeing something that's real and especially if. If it's somebody like you, that is, you know, you're an emotional guy, you have a lot of feelings and it's. And you have a lot of feelings that we all have that we can't put into words. And so, you know, we, like, look to you to be like this, like, you know, almost somebody that's, like, speaking for us. Not that you're doing that through ego or anything, but just that you're like a conduit for some of the feelings that we can't explain.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, maybe. I think so. But then I look to like other people like that.

[Theo Von]

Oh, for sure. I think we all do. But just the fact that then you are able to, like, just that you're so present and real, it feels like with your. With. With people and with your fans or, you know, people that support you.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

That for you to have a real moment, it just. I don't know. I guess. I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say. I guess I'm an idiot.

[Lewis Capaldi]

No, no, I know you. I know what you mean. It's like people are sort of craving a bit of, like, authenticity, I think.

[Theo Von]

Well, and also, if you hadn't had it in such a real way, would you. Nope.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Well, that's the thing. I think for a long time I was like.

[Theo Von]

I'm sorry.

[Lewis Capaldi]

No, you're. Grant, you're gone. It was. I think for a long time, I was like, surface level, talking about my mental health. I think for a long time prior to that moment in 2023, I was like, yeah, I get. I have panic attacks or I get anxious, but I wasn't like, really. I feel, and I still am bad for this now. Like, I give people enough that. That sometimes they think they're getting the whole story. And actually, I'm holding quite a lot back sometimes, and I think I was doing that quite heavily at the time. So when that happened at Glastonbury, it was this real thing of, like, the. The sort of things been. The mask killed off, and it's like, here we are. Yeah, you're just there and in front of everybody. So, yeah, as I say, it was like this. You. I didn't have. Had no choice but to confront things. And I think, yeah, I was really taken aback by the sort of outpouring of love and support that people had. It was really like, like an emotional time. Like coming back and seeing like so many people reaching out and being, you know, kind and sort of sharing their stories with me and all this stuff. It was really special. But. Yeah, I know. You mean, like, I feel like everybody's looking for something that's a bit real or tangible to sort of hold on to.

[Theo Von]

I think something that's human.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100.

[Theo Von]

Did you feel any embarrassment when you came back? And not that you should or anything. I just think that feelings are interesting, right?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

So sometimes you'll feel embarrassed about things, even if you should, you know, it's all interesting. Like, we show up to everything with different feelings and trying to. You're always trying to juggle all these feelings in all these moments, you know. Was there any embarrassment?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, I feel. I feel embarrassment all the time. Honestly. Like, I don't know if. I don't know if you agree with this, right? But like, see, being like famous, I find it's the most embarrassing thing of all time. Or like, well known. Like, I walk into every room and I'm like, either you're either not famous enough or too famous to be in a room. I know it sounds like very first world problems, but let me land here. But it's like, that's like thing of like, either walk into a room and it's like, again, I'm totally projecting and no one's probably even looking at me like this, but like 100%. I sometimes feel like either it's like everyone thinks that I think that I'm awesome. Awesome. And I'm walking in a room and I'm like, look at me, I'm this famous guy and blah, blah. Or people walk into the room and go, oh, who does he think he is doing this or that? I just feel fame in general and being well known as the most embarrassing thing to me, I just get like. I just feel so, like, cringed up all the time with like, when it comes to like that sort of side of things.

[Theo Von]

It's the brightest, ugliest suit.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. You're walking in a room with like, I don't know, it's. It's mental. And then I sort of have this thing when I walk in a room and I assume that, oh, everyone in this room is probably doesn't like me because they've seen something online that I said once. Or they think I try too hard to be silly or funny. Or they think I try My music. Or they think I think I'm better than I am. Or I just.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Trying to manage people's expectations or thoughts.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

And then your whole life becomes. And I know some people are like, listen to these guys who have everything complaining.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Right.

[Theo Von]

And I understand that, but we're going to keep doing it for another minute, right. Just to explore what it's like. Because also being popular, it's almost just like. Life's like an experiment and you have different moments. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's horrible, but it's all just like. I look at it as like, okay, this is what's going on now. And what is this like, you know, and. Yeah. Sometimes then you start thinking, okay, I have to spend so much time making sure that everybody thinks that I'm okay. Yeah, right. That cool that I'm okay enough to them.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

So then that can be like a trap. It can all be just kind of like. I don't know, it can get a little bit interesting.

[Lewis Capaldi]

That's another thing as well. Like, that's like even, like having that thought of, like, as this. Yeah, as this. Complaining too much or whatever.

[Theo Von]

But like, oh, I'll text these guys in the middle of the night. Does this seem gay? Does this seem racist? Those are two of the big ones. Am I okay? These are trying to sleep in their homes.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Their co workers text me at midnight. Am I okay? Like, we don't know. Look. Fucking look at your ring camera, you idiot.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I don't know, but it's true. It's like this thing of like, even the thoughts of. Even the thoughts of even, like, the thing I just said. You're. I'm already, like, overthinking that thing I said about you're either too famous or not famous enough in a room. Because I'm like. I'm embarrassed that I even. Even talking about being famous is embarrassed. Or even like, referring to yourself as being famous as embarrassing. Do you know what I mean? And again, you're only famous to people who know you. Really? You're not famous. Like, yeah, like, thingy. So it's like. And then, I don't know, it's such like a mental. You do, like, so many mental gymnastics, I think, for sure.

[Theo Von]

Oh, no, look, man, it's interesting to talk about. And you know what? I think it's. It's interesting to imagine that. It's interesting to imagine that you're important. Right?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

That's an interesting thing. Yeah, it's like that you're like, I've Noticed this sometimes, like, if other people think I'm important, then it gives me. I don't have to think I'm important. Like, it's almost like I'm using the fact that they think I'm important in some way. It's like, oh, then I can just get my importance through that instead of creating my own importance for myself. Does that make any sense or Is that crazy?

[Lewis Capaldi]

No. 100. It's like you're getting. But then it's that sort of. Again. I guess it goes back to the external validation 100%, which is like, I was thinking of this on the way over as well. How. How attack. Like, because I'm coming back into this. Like.

[Theo Von]

Like, yeah, you have a new tour coming out. You're coming back into the.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Stepping into, like, spotlight again or like this sort of world again. And I'm really trying not to get that validation externally, but it's quite different. Like, I'm just. I already feel it, like, in little bits of things. I've only been back for like a week and a half here, and I'm already, like, you know, looking through comments and getting excited when I see, like, a nice comment and then, like, really down when I see an awful one. And I'm trying to stop myself and be like, no, this is like. This is the stuff that. That got you sort of where you were last time. It's important to not. Yeah, you sort of feed into it. And it's just. It's just really. Yeah, it's like such an interesting thing. And I don't think it's exclusive to being well known or.

[Theo Von]

I think a lot of it's human, too.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, a lot of it's just human stuff, you know, And I think this. You're almost like. I think with popularity and stuff, you almost become like a lab mouse. You almost become like just this heightened level of a lot of things. And so, you know, it's interesting to talk about. Well, dude, as a fan of yours and as, you know, somebody, you've helped me feel, you know, you know, no homo, dude, have feelings and over the years type. Yeah, but dude. Yeah, I don't think you could ever. I think you'd have to try very hard to. To have a realistic person think that you're a bad person.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I think, you know, likewise. Like, I think that's, like. I think it's. That's why I think I'm such a fan of yours as well. Like, I just feel. I like talking about being real and stuff. Like, I've seen Clips of yours where you're like, again, showing emotion and stuff, and it really. It really resonates with me in a big way. So I feel like it's. Yeah, it's just nice to like. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Check your front of your grandmother text.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Sorry.

[Theo Von]

It's getting kind of crazy, but. No, I appreciate it, man. We're trying our best, you know, and it's. And sometimes it's a battle and. Yeah. I didn't mean it in a. Interrupt you. That was kind of mean on me, dude.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Was mean to tell. Honestly. I was rambling.

[Theo Von]

Do you worry? But thanks for the nice words, dude. Yeah, it all becomes. And then you start to become, like, well, this how people think you are? You're. Is that how you really are? And then you're like, am I holding up just an image of myself? Who am I even? It's all kind of interesting. Right. I think. But as long as you try to just stay aware of that that's kind of what's going on.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Then it can all be kind of interesting.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I think it's important to remind yourself who you are away from all this. I think that's what me having to.

[Theo Von]

I'm a pervert. Away from it. No offense, ladies. I don't know. And no offense, Scott either.

[Lewis Capaldi]

No. But I think it's important to have that sort of. Yeah. That sort of awareness of. Right. When. When all this is gone, like, who. Who am I or what am I?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

You know, I have more. I think I have. I'd like to think I had more to offer than, you know, singing a few songs or, you know, being silly on. On social media or stuff like that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And more to offer myself, too.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

That's what I think about sometimes. Like, you know, at what point do I start offering, like, trying better to focus on offering things to my own life? I don't know. Now, Now. Now we might be wading into some ego waters, but that's okay. Yeah. Let's back out of that. How do you keep things from being different than, like, what kind of, like, led to, like, some of the, you know, like, mild traumas or things that happened last time that led you to the point where you were really suffering?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, I think for me, like, I wasn't doing any therapy. I wasn't really looking after myself at all. It's not like I'm, like, hitting the gym like, every day or whatever. Like, whatever. But, like, I just think in general making better choices in terms of, you know, every aspect of my life. I do therapy every week now as well, which has been really beneficial for me, I think. I've really. That's really been maybe the biggest. The biggest thing that's switched everything around.

[Theo Von]

Is your therapist a man or woman?

[Lewis Capaldi]

A man named Owen. Very nice.

[Theo Von]

Owen. What?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Okay.

[Theo Von]

Owen o'. Kane.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Irish. Oh, yeah.

[Theo Von]

God. So you'll end up decent if you get better?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. At best. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Decent at best, dude. Oh, I didn't say mayor.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, very good.

[Theo Von]

Is it okay that we say his name and stuff?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I think so, yeah. I'm sure you'll. I'm sure he'll be more than happy with it.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's class. Oh, he's an author as well?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, he's an author.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's amazing, man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

He's been amazing. He's been amazing for me in the last. The last little while, it's just been.

[Theo Von]

Who turned you on to him?

[Lewis Capaldi]

It was my management that got through to him and stuff, who had got heard from someone else or whatever. But I was just. When I came off stage at Glastonbury, it was like, immediately, first thing I need is therapist. And then.

[Theo Von]

Did they put you in an ice bath when you got up or what they do. Do they, like just. Or did they just sit and have a pint and be like. That was a. That was a wild one. Like, were you able to calm down right after you came off the stage?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I went. I went out and I went. I flew back to Glasgow that night and went out and had paints.

[Theo Von]

That's the most Scottish I've ever heard, dude.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I did.

[Theo Von]

But, yeah, I could be getting a heart transplant.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, No, I woke up and I went straight to. Straight to the pub and. And so it was just a nice. I just had to, like, go and do something normal rather than. For sure I'm gonna be around mates and. And get back to that sort of place. So. So yeah, went out and kicked ass out, like, properly. But it was. It was very much needed, you know, I mean, so. But yeah, and then it became. Yeah, and then afterwards we did. Yeah, a bunch of. With therapists and neurologists as well, for like my Tourette's and stuff. I'm take medication for that and all that stuff and just in general, try to reduce stress as much as possible. I think it's been a massive, massive thing. And I think that's where that sort of. What I was saying about saying no to things is becoming quite a. I'm realizing how important that can be with.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

With stuff. Because it's Just it's one of those things of like, if it doesn't. Oh, this thing. You won't get this again if you don't say yes. Now I'm like, okay, cool, or somebody.

[Theo Von]

Will be unhappy or something. I've done meet and greets, I think, for probably 97 of my shows after. Right. Just for free. Just meet, you know, I. But sometimes I just can't do it anymore. And it's okay.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, of course.

[Theo Von]

You know, like, I had like. I don't know if it was like, I don't know what happened to me. Something happened to me like a couple years ago. I just felt like this loud crack even like in my head.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And I was like, all right. And I've never been. I don't think fully the same since then.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Right. Okay.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Really?

[Theo Von]

But I don't know what happened, you know, But I just knew that I had to shut it down and I had to start taking better care of myself.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And because at first I thought the stress was like, oh, you're not working hard enough. You're not figuring this out. Well, but that's not the truth. The truth was I just, you know, like, there wasn't going to be anything left. I mean, you know, I just didn't have anything left, so I had to tighten it up.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, man, definitely. I think that's. That's the thing as well. Sometimes you feel like, like you said, I like what you said there, the stress felt like I wasn't doing enough or whatever. But it's actually, it's like taking your foot off the gas as opposed to putting it on.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I think that's the important thing.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And now I'll shut down, like, if it's a certain conversation or somebody's talking to me. Sometimes if somebody's speaking in a certain pentameter or things are too fast or something, I'll just say, hey, I can't even be in this conversation. Like, I just have to, like. Because you'll just start to kind of lose your mind.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

So with the Tourette's, was it. Was it getting cool or was it getting bad? Like, what kind. What kind were you getting? Because there's the cool kind where, you know.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. No, it wasn't. It wasn't the kill kind. I was like, I used to sting that time when I would go like this. Like, I'd be sitting, having this conversation with me, and I'd be like this.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, like a third base coach in foot in baseball or something, you know?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Like doing Signals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I used to do that shit. And I used to, like, can and tort my back and stuff in ways. So I had to get like this. I wanted to get this feeling in my muscles where it felt like it was pulling and, like, cracking and like I was causing myself some real pain. And I had to just. I just. For some reason in my head, I was. I need to feel this to. To know that. I don't know, it was. It was almost like. It was like. Sorry, I'm saying, like, a lot and.

[Theo Von]

It annoys me, but I think you're doing fine.

[Lewis Capaldi]

All right, cool. Yeah, good, good. We can do.

[Theo Von]

No, I've noticed when people say, like, a lot. I have not noticed that today.

[Lewis Capaldi]

All right, cool. Good, good, good. The. Yeah, no, it was almost like when I felt I was out of body, I would try and do this, like, twitch or something to sort of bring myself back in. It was really weird. It was really weird. And I looked like I was like, on copious amounts of cocaine. Like. Yeah, like I was tweaking.

[Theo Von]

Oh, you look. You were hailing a freaking air taxi with Bobby Taylor over there, dude. That's fascinating though. So you would get a feeling and then the. The. Some of the ticks would make you feel like you're almost getting back into your skin.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, well, that's what I felt. Again, I can't speak for everyone else.

[Theo Von]

Fascinating though.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. I think they call it like a pre monetary air or just something. Sorry. And I think I. Yeah, I was getting them all the time. And when I was performing, it was like really prevalent because it was like you would get it if you're excited. So any sort of extreme emotion would bring it on or like tired or anything. So it was bizarre. It was really, really bizarre. But like, now I'm noticing even more, but.

[Theo Von]

No, it sounds good. Premonitory.

[Lewis Capaldi]

It's called premonitory urge. Yeah. Thank fuck I remembered that.

[Theo Von]

A premonitory urge is a sensory experience like an itch or a feeling of pressure that occurs before a tic. An individual with. With Tourette syndrome or other tic disorders. Premonitory urges are physical sensations. These urges can manifest as feelings of tension, pressure, an itchy sensation, or a feeling that something is building up and needs to be released. Wow.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Nice.

[Theo Von]

Wow. I definitely. I had about. For 15 years. I had a. I'm still doing bad. Still doing pretty bad. Yeah. I'm just two days off of premonitory, but I needed it. Couldn't sleep. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock between two factor authentication, strong passwords, and a VPN, you try to be in control of how your info is protected. But many other places also have it, and they might not be as careful. That's why LifeLock monitors hundreds of millions of data points a second for threats. If your identity is stolen, they'll fix it, guaranteed, or your money back. Save up to 40% your first year. Visit lifelock.com podcast for 40 off terms. Apply. This is an ad by Better Help. You know, workplace stress. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. The. The constant feeling like you have to put out, you have to create, you have to be able evolve. It's a lot of pressure, it's a lot of stress. But keeping all that inside of yourself, that doesn't help. Better help. If you're looking for someone to talk to, if you've struggled finding someone to talk to or don't want to be seen walking into, like, a church basement in your town or into a therapy therapy room, you can check out BetterHelp. That's who I'd recommend. With over 30,000 therapists, Better Help is the world's largest online therapy platform, having served over 5 million people globally. And it works with an App store rating of 4.9 out of 5 based on over 1.7 million client reviews. As the largest online therapy provider in the world, BetterHelp can provide access to mental health professionals with a diverse variety of expertise. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/t H E O. That's better. H E-L-P.com theo but wow, man, that's kind of fascinating. Well, one thing that I think is so interesting about people like you who are like, you know, poets, wordsmiths, and, you know, and that's okay. That's what you are. Right? You have an ability to share things through words and language, is that when something like this is a part of your world, you can probably express it to people. People better than some people who don't have that same ability, right?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I'm yet to, like, really delve into it because I'm still, like, figuring it out as well. Just now. I find I'm better.

[Theo Von]

You're still what?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Figuring it out.

[Theo Von]

Figuring it out.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah. I find I'm better at, like, sort of talking about something once I've understood it a bit more. I'm not really good at talking about things as they're happening.

[Theo Von]

I mean, yes, 100.

[Lewis Capaldi]

It's like, or explaining or writing about stuff as it's like. Yeah, happening. I feel like, oh, Jesus Christ.

[Theo Von]

No, it's like things are better when you have a chance to look at them.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah. With the benefit of hindsight, for sure. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's the craziest thing about life, though. Sometimes it's like I don't get. I'm always waiting for hindsight in my life, you know. And the problem is then, yeah, you've gone relative town and also you've gone on from whatever the wherever you could have had an effect on things.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Theo Von]

I'll always like, delay trying to have like make a choice until things are in hindsight, but then it's too late.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You know, sometimes I do that a bit.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

When did you go to therapy for the first time ever? Was it after that?

[Lewis Capaldi]

No, no, I went to therapy. I've tried therapy a bunch of times and like. No, it's obviously I'm not. I don't want to sound disparaging to any other therapists I've been to. There's been. I've been to amazing therapists, but I never really had like, connection with any of them or like, or. Or sort of felt clicked.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, for sure. I think a lot of times people go and they think just because they're going to it there. Well, I don't want to say a lot of times people do things. A lot of times I have gone a therapist for years and I didn't know that I. I was really supposed to have like a relationship that I could be honest in.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

It was like, finally this was supposed to be like whether I wanted to pretend like the therapist was my mother or my girlfriend or my brother or a friend. I could pretend like they were that and say things to them that I've always wanted to say to that other person. But I never realized that that's how was a good way to use a therapist. I always just thought, a lot of times it was like, just sit and talk only about how I feel. And it didn't matter if. If I was learning anything. I just thought, oh, since I'm going.

[Lewis Capaldi]

To a therapist, you're ticking a box there or something.

[Theo Von]

Right. I'm checking a box. I didn't even realize that. Anyway, sorry to interrupt you.

[Lewis Capaldi]

No, no, for sure. And I think just to your point there, I was going to a lot of these therapists and I was just. I felt like I was just seeing what they wanted to hear after a certain point to get. I was looking at the clock and sort of being like, right, okay, what is the. What is the thing I can say to get me out here the quickest store to. That makes them think of, like. Yeah, I wanted them to think that I had a grasp of like, my mental health.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. I want to be my own doctor sometimes.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. And. And they would say stuff and I would. Then I just found myself. I was. I was parrying everything that they were sort of when it went or when things. And this is what's great about. My current therapist is really good at this. Of if we go somewhere, he can sense when I'm being avoidant or being sort of. Yeah, being. Yeah, being avoidant as the. As the word. And he sort of pulls me back in and is saying, as. There's a reason you're being sort of of wishy washy here or anything like that.

[Theo Von]

So was there an initial moment when you noticed them? Like, was there like one moment that.

[Lewis Capaldi]

You'Re like, oh, wow, what with this therapist? Yeah, yeah, it was. It was actually. I canceled a session. I canceled two sessions back to back. And he was on. On it, like, giving me. I don't want to say grief. Grief's the wrong word. But like, he was saying, I don't. We don't have to do this. He was very, like, forthcoming in the fact of if you don't want to do this, this is totally fine. But it feels like you're not engaging with this in a way that's beneficial to you or to. Or like wasting his time as well. So for me, I was. That was like a. I really. I really respond to that sort of not letting me away with shit. I mean, and I find that in sessions now as well, I find it really beneficial when there's, you know, someone called. I like what people call me out on my.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Because otherwise I'll just keep. Keep. Yeah, I'll keep on chatting. I'm always chatting.

[Theo Von]

Oh, dude. The story of my life. You just literally explained the story of my life.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

It's like, I'll. I'll get a drum, I'll get some juggling balls. I'll tell a riddle. I'll do whatever I gotta do for you not to corner me in a serious moment.

[Lewis Capaldi]

100. 100. So, yeah, that's been. I just found that to be really. I don't know, like, I was very. I don't know, I just felt it was really good for me to get that sort of response from someone to be like, I don't like what you're doing here. This isn't conducive to a healthy relationship with therapy.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Lewis Capaldi]

So, yeah, that was funny. That was probably the one. I was like, okay, this is. This seems to be. This might be. This might be the guy for me.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude. Yeah. I think now I have Tourette's. When I, like, I every. This is when I get Tourette's. It's like, if I'm sitting somewhere with my freaking girlfriend or whatever, and she's like, I don't think this is working out or whatever, and this is why. And then I just, like, get Tourette's. Like, I just can't be honest, you know, I just get so scared to be honest. I'm like. And I don't really get, like, Tourette's. Like, you're saying. But it is. But. But it is a form of Tourette's. It's this. It's this.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Get me out here.

[Theo Von]

Yes.

[Lewis Capaldi]

It's this.

[Theo Von]

Get me out of. Get. Just. Yeah, get me out of, like, I dislike. I don't know. It's so hard for me to stay in a moment with one other person. It's hard for me to stay in a moment that's not completely in my control.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, for sure. Do you ever find that with, like, people? I always find I'm really good in groups, but then sometimes if I'm just one on one with someone, even if it's someone I've known my whole life, I'll be like, what the. Did I say. Yeah? What the.

[Theo Von]

Is your name sitting in the car?

[Lewis Capaldi]

My dad. Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You're standing there with your grand.

[Lewis Capaldi]

What do you say again to people, like, what is the thing you're meant to. How am I meant to start a conversation with someone? You know what I mean? Even, like, my best friends.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. I think I'm a good auxiliary player. You know what I mean? Good sideline player. But. But yeah, no, I. I empathize with that situation, for sure. I. I think.

[Theo Von]

I think I never thought about it till just now.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

But that's my Tourette. It's like this, like. And I literally can feel my skin being like, why are you keeping us here? You know?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Theo Von]

And like. Yeah. I mean, I remember one time at having a conversation, like a real conversation with a girlfriend in the car, and I literally put the window down and hung my arms out of the window. Like.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Like, I wanted to get out, like.

[Theo Von]

As much of me as could be out of here.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Needed to not be in this vehicle having this real moment of Me having to commit to this relationship. I'm gonna pee really fast. Can we take a break for just a minute, please? Okay.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Empty this tank.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude, thanks for sitting. I just take a. Take a wee. Oh, you guys call it a wee? I just took a pee.

[Lewis Capaldi]

A pest.

[Theo Von]

That's crazy. That one just. We're not. Because we're only six hours away from each other by ocean and we call it. Somehow the letter changed.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah, it's true.

[Theo Von]

It's bath.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. A pest or a slash. Oh, a slash is a good one. I'm going for a slash.

[Theo Von]

Going for a slash.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Then you come back with blood on your clothes. Neighbors missing. See, it's crazy how that changed as well from going to America.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Over there you're going for a slash, you just going to fill up a.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Toilet, you know, over here it's something more sinister.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Over here you're making a Dateline episode. It's just crazy how things just really fall off as you go across the ocean. No, but, man. Yeah, thanks for talking about some of that because even it's helped me think, like, some of those things. It's like hard to realize until you get into conversations where you're talking about some of this stuff, you know?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Of course.

[Theo Von]

And then you got to be careful because your ego will start to be like, you know what you're talking about. So that for me sometimes is a trap. And I think I gotta like, just like go to more recovery meetings and stuff. So I don't get just that I'm the only voice I'm hearing.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Theo Von]

That's when it gets really scary for me. Like, then I feel like I know something.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah. That's the thing. That's why I'm like. I really enjoyed this because we've been doing the interviews all day and it's very one sort of one way. And you start. I don't know if you find this. That if you're doing stuff or whatever, promo or whatever, but like you're just talking about yourself all the time. And I feel like it's just becomes this, like. I don't know, it just me to head slightly.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's a shitty song. Especially after. If you're a creative person. I feel like after a while just talking about yourself is just a song you've played, you know, and it's not even. It's just like pieces of you that. It's almost like fool's gold, some of it, in a way.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

That's one thing I noticed about you managers even in asking one question to me, it's like. Because it's really kind of a conversation, you know. Of course. Was drinking or anything like that a part of like stuff that. Because if you were on the road, like drinking diet, like not getting massages. Massages. Something that's helped me.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Were there things that you had to adjust that were also creating more havoc for you?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, for sure. I feel like I definitely drank too much initially. Like with my. I basically had cut out booze at completely when we were on tour on these like. Like for the last like 2022, I'd say I stopped drinking when I was on tour or whatever. I took it free. I can't remember. But yeah, because booze. Like, I like having a good time.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I love having a good time. And I would really enjoy. I wouldn't be someone who sits by themselves and has like smashes beers or whatever. I'm much more social. Social aspect of boozing and going out and having a nice time and stuff, so. But yeah, definitely. I wouldn't say I was a problem drinker, but it was definitely getting in the way. There was an amazing thing that a guy. We were supporting Sam Smith on Tour in 2018 and the monitor engineer was a guy called Lee. Was it Lee? Remember Lee? And he said to me, you remember. Remember this thing? He was like, you can get up and you can up, but don't up because you were fucked up.

[Theo Von]

Up.

[Lewis Capaldi]

And I feel like that's really stuck with me. And there has been times where I have done that. Like I have up because I was.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I mean. And I feel like for me that was. But as something that always ruminate, like sort of like ruminates around in my head and I feel. Yeah, I definitely had to like curtail my boozing at times and be a bit more.

[Theo Von]

Responsible.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Responsible, yeah. Choose my battles with it a little bit more. If. Because there's always an excuse to go out and. And have a. Have a nice time and go have a drink or do this or that. And I'm like, oh, I'm sort of all or nothing with it. But I mean, I'm not. Again, not like. Like I just. If I'm going out, I'm going out. You know what I mean? I'm not.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Well, I think it's also part of you guys's culture a lot.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah. Like the binge drinking in the UK is like a. Feels like a bigger thing than.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you forgot your grandmother.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

No judgment. 9 We miss you. We miss you, Margaret. Melissa, we miss both of you. But yeah, if you drank so much through your childhood that you don't remember your grandmother. Yeah, dude, People aren't shocked if you're like, hey, I think I just need to have some checks and balances, you know?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, but. But, yeah, no, and. And like, you say diet and stuff like that has been important. I'm trying not to eat as much. Shay. I've lost. I don't know what it would be in pounds. Two stone, since. What is two stone in parents?

[Theo Von]

Two cents? £40, I think. Let's take a gander at it. £28.

[Lewis Capaldi]

£28 since the start of the year, which I'm kind of. Yeah, I feel good about that and I want to lose more and stuff. But the problem with it when you're really fat, because I was. I was 20 stone at the start of the year. So what is that? I'm giving my weight away here.

[Theo Von]

What time is 10?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I was £280 at the start of the year.

[Theo Von]

God, how do you understand that guy?

[Lewis Capaldi]

You heard him.

[Theo Von]

He uses no letters at all in his words. Two letters, 11 words. God, I would never figure you out in a crossword puzzle. I'd never. If you had a crossword puzzle, it'd be this big 70 words in it. I'm just joking, man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

But, yeah, but, yeah, so I'm trying. I'm trying to like, get on top of that and stuff and just really. Yeah. Sort that stuff out as well. But obviously it's a process.

[Theo Von]

And do you have like. Do you have like a. Like more of a team now supporting you or did you have to bring other people on? I mean, you said you got a therapist now. You work with some.

[Lewis Capaldi]

My brother's training me at the minute.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's good.

[Lewis Capaldi]

The brother that I text and stuff. He's like a qualified personal trainer now, so that's great. So he's been coming down to London and training me and stuff like that. So that's been lovely. And with diet and stuff, he's been helping, etc.

[Theo Von]

You feel better about it?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, I feel better about it. I'm not. I hate it. I hate exercising. Yeah, I hate it. Like, it's. I mean, people can probably tell by looking at me, but, like, I'm not. I hate it.

[Theo Von]

Oh, dude, there's this pull up my TikTok to save ones. There's this dude the other day, he had the funniest thing that I saw in there. It's a kind of like a black guy about 30 years old, but it was pretty good save.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Tech talks. Hood Easter Bunny sex. Human implanted with new lake plays a game. Scary study about microplastics. This is a real.

[Theo Von]

Oh, this is behind the scenes of.

[Lewis Capaldi]

My brain getting inside the brain here.

[Theo Von]

I didn't realize that till just now. This is a little bit alarming.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I ain't gonna lie. You never realize how long a minute is until your ass start exercising. So true. It's so true. Honestly.

[Theo Von]

You never realize how long a minute.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Is when you do like a plank. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Like what?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Me? Yeah. Yeah. It's intense.

[Theo Von]

We got all the time in the world. Who is that guy? I just want to say his name.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Richie Gats. Richie Gats.

[Theo Von]

Richie Gats. Shout out, Richie Gats. That's hilarious, dude. Did you have to get on a bunch of medication? You're right.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I'm on an anti psychotic just now called Arapiprazole. I was on antidepressants. I was on Sertraline, which I think is Zoloft.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. One there.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah. That was interesting. Really? I couldn't. It didn't really. It just made me numb.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I can't feel a lot.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, I can't feel a lot. And really, I couldn't get like a hard on to save my life.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. All right. And when I did, it would be like this. Be like a roller coaster that just kept going up. Oh, it never came down. It was like. It was an intense period of time. But I. But yeah, so I came off that. But then the thing is coming off, it is like an as really an intense experience.

[Theo Von]

Unreal.

[Lewis Capaldi]

And no one really gave me that heads up. So I was like really, like low and. And sort of. I wouldn't say I've ever. I'm always really careful about using the word depressed or whatever, but it's the closest I've felt to that feeling. I feel like in my life.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's scary. It feels like a trap door inside you opened up like right in the middle.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, spot on. Like, it was so. Yeah. So, so intense. So, yeah, I was on that for a bit. I don't think I. I maybe needed to be on that especially for as long as I was and for the dose I was on or whatever. But yeah, this, this. I'm only on this. A preposol antipsychotics, like 5 milligrams. It was really scary when they were like when they offered it up.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Because it sounds scary.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Anti psychotic. I'm like, I'm not. I'M not psychotic.

[Theo Von]

Who is doing better than that?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I. But I'm on it now and at 5 milligrams before I go to bed. And it's. And it's helped changed my life, genuinely. Yeah. Yeah. It's genuinely been a massive, massive help. Just in everything, like my mood, my anxiety levels are so low these days. I'm just the stress that I used to feel. I don't feel the stress. I mean, I don't know if it's all related to this or other choices. I guess it's an amalgamation of things.

[Theo Von]

Right. But that's amazing, though. What's that called?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Aripeprazole.

[Theo Von]

Maybe I'll try it.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, get on that.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, I'll buy a bag of that.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. What are the uses? Can we go down the uses? The treat a rated range of metal?

[Theo Von]

Our prep roll is used to treat a range of mental health conditions. Tourette's, schizophrenia, bipolar 1, major depressive disorder, irritability associated with autism spectrum disorder, and Tourette's. There you go. Made it in the very end.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, just. Just snuck in there. Snuck in there at the end as the door was closing. Slid on my knees.

[Theo Von]

Maybe I would try that, man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Oh.

[Theo Von]

What do you think about your songs being used for, like, on the Voice and stuff like that?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I'm all for it, man.

[Theo Von]

In these foreign countries, though.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Playing fast and lifts with a melody there. This is beautiful. That's beautiful. This is a really lovely. That is cool. I mean.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you're right. Can you write this?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I wrote a song. Yeah, I wrote this one. Yeah. Oh, and he got a turn around. Come on now.

[Theo Von]

I hope so. It's a damn kid.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

At least turn around and tell him. Yeah, I can give him some Uber money.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

These are rich people.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. This is incredible. Like, I think this is beautiful. Do you know? I mean, this is like a really nice use of it and stuff. And he's great. Incredible.

[Theo Von]

Wow. Dude. Imagine how brave you have to be to be that age and to be able to continue to stand there and sing.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Go on into your good. That's good. God.

[Theo Von]

I think he should sell the song to him.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know, I love all this, I think.

[Theo Von]

Oh, it's cool, man. Yeah, this is cool, man. I hadn't seen this.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Something.

[Theo Von]

Look at him, just channeling.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. It gets a little bit too good, though. Do you know what I mean? Just relax. Just calm down a bit. Little bit. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Like, huh? Somebody throw him a freaking rugby ball, put him on the pitch.

[Lewis Capaldi]

And see who he really is. Getting a little bit too good for my liking, but.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's beautiful.

[Lewis Capaldi]

No, that's amazing. That's incredible.

[Theo Von]

And what's that young man's name? Wow.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Oh, wow. Beyond. Go on beyond.

[Theo Von]

Go on beyond. That's amazing, man. Yeah. You know, I, I, I just think it's interesting even watching that. It's like music's just such a, it's like just such a conduit for other people to feel, you know, and it's crazy that the words can come out of some person, some pen, some a moment of feeling and then it, it can metastasize.

[Lewis Capaldi]

And that's the thing I think you never expect like when you're writing a song, you're not thinking about that. You're not thinking someone will sing this on a TV show in Germany or, or a TV show. Like they did it in the Masked Singer and stuff over here. It's just like, it feels really, I guess it's like an honor that, that people would take it and, and want to sing it like that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Especially someone who's like a 10 year old kid.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Pretty, pretty spectacular. So yeah, I love it, man. I just want to. Anything that gets. And let's think it's getting the music out there and it's, people are hearing it and Yeah, I think it's just.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's amazing when that starts to happen. Do. Is it tough to try to like whenever you recalibrate to write again? Right. When you recalibrate I know you have a new song. Survivor. No.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Survive.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, Survive. It just came out.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Is it tough too? And congrats. It's great man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Thanks man.

[Theo Von]

I just started listening to it so sometimes it takes me a bit even with songs. I'll listen to somebody's album the first time be like that's trash.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Two weeks later I will be on the exact same crying in back of my car.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I'm the exact same by myself, dude. I drove myself there.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And then got in the back and.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Cried like this is bad.

[Theo Von]

But the music good. What is it hard to recalibrate? Like do you feel like you have to write for the like now you write trying to write for the stars. Like how does that get. That's got to be interesting.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. I think I'm not like a massive fan of. I didn't grow up writing poetry or grow up. I wanted to play live gigs and I. So it became a thing of. Right. Everyone I know who plays live gigs, who I look up to is like singers or whatever, they all have their own songs. So I will write my own songs. And then everyone I know who at the time I looked up to, they all played guitar. So I'll learn how to play guitar so that I need to learn a guitar so I can write songs to then play them live. Do you know what I mean? So it was always just. Everything was a means to an end to get on stage and play live. So even now I'm like, when I'm in, you know, studios or whatever, it's. I find it. I do struggle a lot with like writing that song there took me like a year to finish. Like that thing of people saying, you know, And I do get it. The best songs come the quickest or whatever. But that's like my biggest song and that's. That took me so long. Right. And I think there is something to be said for, you know, persevering with stuff like that a little bit. But. So, yeah, when I get back to writing now, as sometimes it's really difficult. Like I really have a hard time just. I find it hard sometimes to get what I'm thinking, articulate, what I'm. What I'm trying to say.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

And I find that in lots of different walks of life or whatever. But with. Yeah, with writing especially, I. I don't find it as easy as maybe. I think I overthink things now a lot more. And yes, because I feel that people may actually hear this thing that I'm making. Sure. I mean, whereas before. For sure before, it was like, no cunt's gonna listen. I mean, so I. Yeah, I really. Yeah, I really now overthink that. But again, this is something I'm trying to unlearn and sort of.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Get back to sort of basics and just write for me and Because I want to write and because I want to play and stuff like that. So, yeah, it's always a bit of a difficult thing for me. I don't. I don't find it. I don't let. Wake up. I have to write something today. You know, I mean, that doesn't like. Not always. And it. Not always anyway.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I feel like you got to follow.

[Theo Von]

The feelings when you do have them.

[Lewis Capaldi]

So, for example, I haven't written a song in like six months recently.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

So for the last six months, I'm not written anything.

[Theo Von]

Good for you, though.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it was important to not to just take a bit of a break off. But I don't know if the same way, like when you're in Stand up or.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I think there's times like I'm looking forward to taking a little bit of a break. But at the same time, there's a part of me that's looking forward to starting with new stuff.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

So I'm just grateful that that little part of me exists. Because there's times when I'm like, well, I still want to do this. Or, you know, I think we all kind of feel those things at certain moments of like taking a break from something. Will it still be there when we come back?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. But then let's say the absence that makes you. When you miss it, that's a massive thing as well. Missing that sort of where you hear.

[Theo Von]

Somebody write a great joke, you're like, I gotta give it, I gotta try again.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You know, like the other day I heard Chris Rock talking and I was like, oh, he's just my favorite.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And him and Louis ck And I was like, oh, man, I just can't even. And believe. Like, I gotta get out there and try again and see what else is inside of me. If there's more that I'm capable of, you know, it's not.

[Lewis Capaldi]

It's not necessarily like a competitive thing. Maybe it's that I always find them when I hear if a friend of mine writes an amazing song and I hear it on the radio and I go, that's so incredible. It's not like I'm not wanting to, oh, funny. Be better than them. It's like, oh, I'd love to try and write something that comes anywhere close to how great that is. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I mean, or just to see what's in me. I have no idea what's inside of me.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I didn't know anything was inside of me exactly. You know, and then some came out and, you know, and it's been in it. So, yeah. Just like trying to figure out what's inside of me. Is there a lyric that you've ever written that you feel really proud of? Kind of like, is there one that.

[Lewis Capaldi]

There's like a song I wrote called How I'm Feeling now, which I wrote when I was really in the. Sort of. With stuff. And the lyric is, so here's to my beautiful life that seems to leave me so unsatisfied. No sense of self but self obsessed. I'm always trapped inside my head. On and on and on. I thought I'd be happier somehow. If you're wondering how I'm feeling now. And it's kind of about like my. How I was feeling in terms of. I've got everything I ever wanted and I'm this, like. Yeah, I'm so sad. I mean, I don't feel how I thought I would feel when I. When I got to this point. So that's something I'm really proud of. There's also a song on this upcoming. This upcoming. We're doing an EP at the minute or we're releasing a bunch of stuff. And there's a song called the Day that I Die that I'm really, really proud of lyrically. And it's just like. Yeah, it's a bit. It's about that time when I was really feeling at my lowest that I'm really excited for people to hear.

[Theo Von]

That's cool, man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, man. No, I'm buzzing. I'm buzzing about getting out there and seeing what people think.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. I wonder. I'm trying to think, like, I love. I like a lot of, like. Like uk, like, like. Dermot Kennedy came on the podcast. Dude, that'd be. If you and him did a collaboration, that'd be pretty amazing.

[Lewis Capaldi]

He's. He's incredible. He's so good. And I. We were releasing stuff. We kind of come up around the same time, especially in that uk, Ireland sort of scene and stuff. But he is. His voice is like. If I. When I was growing up, if there was an artist like Derek McKenna, Darren, that was the sort of artist that I would have been, like, all in on. That would have been like my sort of. That's my type of shit. You know what I mean? Like, his last song, Let Me in or something I think it's called, is brilliant. It's an amazing, amazing song.

[Theo Von]

Let me take a gander at it real quick. Let me in.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I could have stayed Never went home.

[Theo Von]

It might have been re.

[Lewis Capaldi]

But at least I was free from all of my ghosts.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

That live in my head like reflections on water that only come moines. I still haven't learned deceptions in the.

[Theo Von]

Cinematic version of law.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I can't get.

[Theo Von]

Enough these days all the world doesn't.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Sing to me Quite how it used to seem this life is a touch too damn much for me maybe that's meant for me. Cause I know there's a room where I'm happy But I try time Find my way to the door Tell me who wins the war in my heart and my head I forgot what I'm suffering for. He's brilliant.

[Theo Von]

He's great, man. That's awesome. Yeah, dude. If you guys did, there'd be no tears. They'd There'd be. The oceans would be full. If you and Derma Kenny did a song together, the oceans would be full, man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

It'd be done.

[Theo Von]

It'd be a rap. It'd be 100% saltwater for the planet. We're done. The deserts are done.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I'd love to, man.

[Theo Von]

Or James Blake. You ever listen to James Blake?

[Lewis Capaldi]

James Blake as well. Yeah. Retrograde and stuff like that. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

If you guys had, like. I'm just trying to think of things that I like. Sorry. I'm trying to.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, just like a up.

[Theo Von]

Because then it would be like. Or like. I wonder if he. I wonder if he's ever done any. Remix your stuff. I don't know. I'm just thinking of, like, I guess, British artists that I know. But James is such a. Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Let's say Sam Fender.

[Theo Von]

Sam Fender.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Sam Fender's incredible. Kind of like. He's got that sort of like Bruce Springsteeny thing going on as well. He's. He's. He's probably like one of the biggest, maybe the biggest in the UK just now.

[Theo Von]

Is he really?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, he's. He's. I went to see him at London London Stadium recently. It was. He's. He's a special, Special, special artist.

[Theo Von]

Wow. And it says he just canceled shows. He had mental health. He was.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah. It's like. You know what's so funny? It's become every single. This is, again, not to go back to, like, Famer, whatever, or even just. It's really kind of sad, but, like, every person I know who's achieved something that they grew up aiming for or dreaming of or whatever, seems to have this sort of. Seems to struggle with it when it. When they get it.

[Theo Von]

Well, I think. I think we're at a time where there's never been as much coverage of things. There's never been. We've never been in this time before.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

As society. We've had people that have had popularity and fame over years. Right. Or have achieved different amazing things or interesting things, but we've never had this much coverage, this much. I think this much reflection of ourselves. Maybe so. And I think people are suffering from it at all. I think. I think it's a little bit of. People are dealing with that at all levels.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You know, at all levels of their lives. But it is kind of fascinating because every. Every generation, you're into a new experience. So how does fame fit in this world when the reflection in the. In the pond has gotten so much bigger?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Theo Von]

But, yeah, something upbeat like if you guys. And James Blade did, like, a trap. Just something like, you know, because he does like some. I'm just thinking of interesting things that I like, but I'll have to check out Sam Fender. Let me think. I want to ask you another. Oh, do you have a brother? You have a brother?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I got two brothers and a sister. I'm the youngest of four.

[Theo Von]

And what are they like?

[Lewis Capaldi]

They're good, man. They're great. My, my. Obviously my. We're all two years apart, so.

[Theo Von]

Okay. Yeah. Same in my family.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Yeah. So how many. How many are you.

[Theo Von]

Four total. Two and two.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Oh, is it?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Brilliant. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Any hotties in your. In your. It's an old American joke, you know.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

It's an old Catholic joke.

[Lewis Capaldi]

I'm Catholic as well. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But. Oh, that's us.

[Theo Von]

Oh, there you go. Right.

[Lewis Capaldi]

There you go. That's me on the left there with the big ears.

[Theo Von]

Oh, there you go. Christ, I got some myself.

[Lewis Capaldi]

La. There you go.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

That's a good noise to make.

[Theo Von]

We'll be fine. Well, mine can hear yours. I think I'm. Mine are bigger. Okay, take me left to right. That's you right there. And when's this picture taken? Do you know?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I must be about two there. So maybe like 1998, 1989 maybe. I don't know. I'm totally guessing, but that's my sister Danny there. That's my brother. Warden.

[Theo Von]

Warden Warren. Oh, wow.

[Lewis Capaldi]

W, A, R, R E, N. Oh, Warren. Warren. And that's Aiden on the right there. But, yeah, they're great. Like, I love them.

[Theo Von]

What are they like? What does Danny like to do?

[Lewis Capaldi]

She likes to. She's a very social person. She's very outgoing, very funny.

[Theo Von]

Oh, beautiful lady.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, the. And yeah, they're all. Yeah, they're all great. Like, we get on.

[Theo Von]

And what about Warren? Is he all right?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, he's great. He's. He. He was a musician, so he kind of got me into sort of music and stuff like that. He was sort of the. I guess, the catalyst for.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, and he was the older brother.

[Lewis Capaldi]

He's the oldest.

[Theo Von]

Oh, everybody wants to be like their older brother.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, yeah, of course, man. He's. Yeah, he's amazing. He's a great guy. And Aiden as well. The closest. Me and ain't used to see our room, so we're probably, like. I'd say maybe the closest of the four of us, but it's an interesting one because it's like, I do obviously would do Anything. But if one of them phoned me, was like, do you want to go for a beer? I'd be like, what's happened? Yeah, what's going on here? I mean it's that sort of relationship. But they're. But yeah, they're great. That's amazing. Very, very close family. My mom and dad as well. Yeah, it's a really. Yeah, it's a nice sort of support network.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I saw some of your family on the documentary, I think.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yes. On Netflix.

[Theo Von]

It was pretty cool to see.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, man. Yeah, they're great. My dad and my mum are very. No nonsense, like. Yeah. Working class.

[Theo Von]

They're Scots regions.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. Proper. Proper, proper. Yeah. Just sort of. They have people and I feel like that's really helped. Like they are very self deprecating. We all take the piss out of each other, stuff like that. So it feels. Yeah, that's really sort of shaped, I guess who I am these days, you know, I mean. But it's. They're a great. It's amazing to have them because I speak to the most. My mom and dad especially. I speak to the most. Most days.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. I try to anyway. But yeah, they're great.

[Theo Von]

Nice, man. Yeah. This was nice to include them too.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You were working with BetterHelp. I want to do. Want to say that before you leave because they. They sponsor our program a lot and we'll have them in this episode too.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

But you are working with better help to give away.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. 7, 734,000 free hours of therapy is the thing. It was like. So it's an hour, a thousand hours for every single day that I took off and I was away from, you know, touring and all the rest of it. I just feel like therapy was such a positive experience for me and things that I did and really. Yeah, it just really made me feel quite. It's just got me back to where I want.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I mean we're talking about it. It's part of your life now.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. And I feel like if I can sort of of give people. Because I don't necessarily think therapy is for everybody at all. Some things are better left in a box under the bed. You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

I think talking about you. Ireland. But the shame in Ireland. They should have a. They should have a Catholic guilt.

[Lewis Capaldi]

The Catholic guilt.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. They should have a fight. They should be. Ireland should be sponsored by better health.

[Lewis Capaldi]

But yeah, no, and I feel like if I could open up any sort of door for someone to try therapy for the first time or get. Because sometimes it's expensive as well and.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

And it's in the uk, obviously, we've got the nhs, free healthcare, but sometimes that's, like overrun at the minute and people are really struggling to get seen and. And get therapy through the NHS and stuff sometimes. And people might not have the means to go private or what else. So. So, yeah, it was just one of these things. And thank God. Shout out to better help for being up for it and being sort of. Yeah. Being so forthcoming and being sound enough to. To do the. To do this with us. I think it's. Yeah. Hopefully it helps some people and.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Like, to get even. Just having that first experience with therapy, you know, and learning what it's about, and then also not feeling like, okay, now I have a therapist that this has to be perfect. It's just like a relationship in life. You try and find a good relationship, you find one that fits, but you also don't want one that fits too great because then it can just be a place of comfort where, you know, you're like, I liked a little bit of conflict with my therapist because then I would be like. There would be times I'd be sitting with my therapist and I'd be like. I would want to say, like, at first I'd be like, I wanna. I didn't like what they just said. Right. Say they said something. I don't like what they said.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

But instead of saying that, I would just get quiet.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, right.

[Theo Von]

But then finally one day I was like, I didn't like what you just said to me.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Right.

[Theo Von]

And then they were like, okay, that's great. Right. Let's work with that.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah. You know, opens up a conversation and.

[Theo Von]

Right. But instead, I'd always been this other way, like, oh, I shouldn't want to hurt their feel or this type of thing, you know?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

But once I was able to change and I realized, oh, that's their job. Their job is. Yes. They're hoping for that because it gives them something to work with. I was operating with this different thing, like, oh, everything's supposed to be completely kind of copacetic, you know?

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, for sure, man.

[Theo Von]

What else did I want to say? That's about it. You have tour. Well, I could talk to you forever, man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, man. Thank you so much for having us on. I really appreciate it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude, it's so cool. I was so excited about this, man. I think a couple years ago we started kind of DMing each other and stuff and I just like, yeah, thank you so much for all the Music that helps us feel, you know.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, man. No, and thank you for everything you do. Like this podcast, like, I'm. I'm listening every week, so it's like.

[Theo Von]

A. Oh, class, man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Exactly. It's. No, but it has been really helpful for me in times as well, so I really appreciate it.

[Theo Von]

You bet, dude. Yeah. I can't even believe we get to do this, you know, this. Great.

[Lewis Capaldi]

That's great. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Sorry.

[Lewis Capaldi]

God.

[Theo Von]

But no, dude, it's. Yeah, it's cool, dude. It's. It's just. It's cool that we get to sit here and talk about this stuff and. And, yeah, I'm excited for the new tour, sir. You. You. You're about to go to Australia, right?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I go, yeah. I've just announced the Australia, too. We've got a UK tour in September as well.

[Theo Von]

And was this stuff that was on the docket and you had to cancel it before?

[Lewis Capaldi]

The Australia tour is almost the exact same tour that we canceled, but. So, yeah, that's that one. But the UK is just a fresh one. Sort of get us tuned up a bit and get us back into the swing of things and then, yeah, hopefully America next year and do some bits and bobs. And I just want to do as much as possible. I'm like, I'm back now and I really want to just dig in a bit.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Lewis Capaldi]

And get things. Get things going again. So. Yeah, man, I'm fucking excited.

[Theo Von]

Well, as fans, we'll be here when you get to us, you know, so don't, you know, don't feel like you gotta, you know, welcome back.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Yeah, man.

[Theo Von]

Or whatever. What the am I talking about?

[Lewis Capaldi]

I don't know.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I think everybody's just glad you're feeling good and excited to hear what you do, you know, and whatever you don't do, you're already great, man.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Thank you, man.

[Theo Von]

Lewis Capaldi, man. Thank you, brother.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Thank you. To you, man. Honestly, what a pleasure.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Cheers. And Margaret.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Margaret, not Melissa. Sorry, Mum, for forgetting that. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Godspeed, woman. Now I'm just falling on the breeze.

[Lewis Capaldi]

And I feel I'm falling like these.

[Theo Von]

Leaves I must be cornerstone.

[Lewis Capaldi]

Oh but.

[Theo Von]

When I reach that ground I'll share this piece of my life I'll not care Feel it in my bones but it's gonna take.