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Let's talk about Netflix, but I don't want to talk about their shows and movies. I want to talk about the economic impact Netflix makes in this country. Over the past 10 years, Netflix has contributed $225 billion to the US economy. They brought productions to all 50 states and hired over 150,000Americans as cast and crew. That's carpenters, electricians, and small businesses. Real American jobs. Netflix investing in America. I want to let you guys know I'll be in Jacksonville, Florida, preparing for my comedy special taping. That's March 13th and 14th with two shows on the 14th. Get your tickets only at theovon.com T O U R It's Return of the Rat. It's still. I know that you like this rat has returned so many times, but I've just got to. I gotta make sure everything's running smooth for the special that has been so far. So excited to get down there. Reminder, guys that you can get video versions of our episodes now on Spotify as well. Today's guest is an independent journalist. He's a content creator. He has his own show, 5149, that's on YouTube. We got into a lot. I'm grateful to sit down today with Mr. James Lee. Good. Good as I'm gonna look today, dude, I'm.
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Yeah, I thought about wearing the bucket hat, but I'm like, I gotta switch up the hats. You know what I'm saying? I always. Usually I'm wearing the bucket hat. Do you know what I'm talking about?
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Oh, yeah, dude. I almost wore this beekeeper's hat that I got. Yeah, yeah. Whitney Cummings, one night at the Comedy Store, I think she was going through something and she gave me a full beekeepers outfit. Really? Yeah. For no reason. It was like. She's like, I got something for you. And then she went and got a beekeeper's full. Yeah, like beekeeper's outfit out of her trunk or whatever.
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The last beekeeper scene that I saw was like, from that movie Begonia. Did you see that movie?
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I haven't seen it yet. Is it good?
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It's dark.
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Really?
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Like, really dark. Like, I'm like this. I was not ready for this. I was.
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I was not like, you mean perversion or sensuality or like, what are you talking about, dark? It's just like.
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I mean, the plot line, just like humanity. Just like the. The. What are they called or whatever. Well, they're trying to do, like cultural commentary.
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Okay.
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And so I'm like, wow, this is not a. It's like, because I deal in it all day long, so I'm like, I don't need a movie. I like my movies to be, like, chill, right? Like rom coms and. And comedy.
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Madagascar.
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Yeah, yeah, those kinds of things. Yeah, yeah.
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Sierra Leone or whatever. Some of that.
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I don't know what that is.
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Well, I was just thinking of other African countries. It's crazy because there's, like, Madagascar and then there's Hotel Rwanda. So that's the only thing, like, Africa. It gives you, like, some polar opposites if you pick the wrong African area. Yeah. Off of your.
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You know, I've never been to Africa. Oh, there. Actually, can I tell you this story before we get going?
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Yeah, for sure.
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Just a real quick story. Okay, so no worries.
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James Lee, Good to see you today. And Lee.
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Yes.
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Okay, good. James Lee, tell me your story, then I'm gonna ask you a question. Okay.
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Okay. So just quick story. Before we start, I just have to tell you the story. Okay, so this is, like, a few years ago, me and my buddies were in Europe. We're on this Euro trip. And this is, like, two of my best friends. And this is, like, the type of people you meet at your first job. Like, it's a really, really shitty job where you're like. We're literally like call center with the headset. Everybody's yelling us all day. So we're like, hey, one day when we get out of here, we're gonna go to Europe.
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Yeah.
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We're gonna do this Euro trip type of thing, like the movie. And we did do that. So finally, a few, you know, years and years later, we had a chance to do that, and we were just going out and partying every single night.
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In what country?
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This is in, like, Spain and Portugal. But after, like, seven to ten days of this, we're like, dude, I think my liver's shutting down. Like, we have to stay in for. For a night. Like, we're gonna die here. So then we stayed in, and that night. So we were just scrolling around whatever it was like Netflix or some. Some streaming thing that I don't. I don't remember. And that night we ended up binge watching this show called Deal With It. Do you remember that show?
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Oh, yeah. I was a host on it. Yeah, I know.
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That's. That's how I tell you the story.
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Oh, that's crazy.
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Watched like, 10 episodes of Deal With It.
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How stoned were you guys?
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I mean, I look like a scared
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person in that picture, which is crazy.
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And so. So then we made a pact right there. We're like, hey, if anybody starts doing weird, like, you just gotta go with it for a little while. Like, just. Just see what happens, you know, don't shut it down right away. But I. But now. So it's a full circle moment from, like, many years ago. I was, like, watching this show that was my first introduction to Theo Vaughn was this show. I don't know how proud of you are on the work on the show, but. But it was very. It saved my life.
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Oh, really? It kept you off the.
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Yeah.
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Off the streets of. Yeah. That's beautiful. Some beautiful streets they have there, too, though.
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They do.
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This one's so nice. But, dude, no, the show was fun. I didn't have much input. That was kind of the tough part. Like, you were just kind of, like, screwing around. And then I also just realized I look like that lesbian lady from. What's that band? They sing like Life is a highway.
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Oh, the Rascal Flats.
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Yes. I look like that lesbian lady from Rascal Flats. Actually, pull me back up.
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I was not aware there was a lesbian lady in Rascal Flats.
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And maybe that's rude to say that. Yeah, pull her up. Pretty close, huh?
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I mean.
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Oh, there is not a lady in Rascal.
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I don't see a lady in Rascal Flat. I was like, is that the lesbian?
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Is that. I don't know, dude. My bad. I have no. I think. I think I'll take it as somebody else, dude. Whatever. All right.
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Okay. Anyways, that was. Yeah, so then that was. That was like, the first time I ever saw who you were.
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Oh, interesting, bro.
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I don't know how far along in your career at that point that was,
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but that was probably 13 years into my career, probably. And, yeah, Howie Mandel gave me a job there. And thank you so much, Howie. That was fun.
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Yeah. For people who don't. Didn't watch the show, it was like. It was like a hidden camera show where there's, like, contestants, and then one of them has, like, an earpiece, and you're telling them what to do, and the other person has to, like, go along. Along with it.
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Right.
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They're doing weird. Just like, hey, floss at the. At the. At the restaurant, you know, table.
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Yes.
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And then, like. Or, like, go eat somebody else's food. And there's these challenges that you would have to pass. And if you make it, if the other person is, like, dealing with it, then they would earn money.
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Yeah.
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And so that's when me and my buddies were like, all right. Hey, man, just. Just in case we're in that situation, you just go with it for a little while.
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I can't believe you guys stayed in and watch that. But yeah, yeah, you'd find us two strangers walking down the street. You'd have already pre set up at a, at a restaurant.
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Was that real though, or is it. Were the contestants really like, hey, I wanted those two people, or were they like preschool screened?
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And then we would pick people that were just kind of going in or coming by. A lot of times you try to get people and they wouldn't come. They just wouldn't understand. Or one. Yeah, yeah, you'd always want them to go to the bathroom. And then you'd go ask the other person who's at the table, like, hey, will you be on this game show? We're doing a game show in here today. Yeah. And so it was a lot of craziness. The craziest thing that ever happened on that show was one time there was a couple walking down the street and we invited them in because you, you'd be like, hey, we're giving away free appetizers or something. So they come and sit down and then one of them would go to the restroom and that's when we'd ask the other one, hey, we're going to put an earpiece in your ear. We're going to start telling you things to do. If your friend that you're here with, when they come back from the bathroom, you know, if they don't notice that you're doing weird shit, like, the more you can get them to deal with, the more money you make.
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Yeah, okay.
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But one time it was we. So we put the earpiece in this lady's ear. The guy had gone to the restroom, he comes back and sits down. And the guy was a pimp and she was a working girl, really. So she starts doing this crazy shit and the pimp starts getting like, threatening this lady, like, I'm gonna whoop your ass. Like. And we're like, this is. Like, this isn't going well. Really?
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And it did not that that episode didn't air, right?
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No, at a certain. And that's when we should have aired.
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Oh, you know, that's in the vault somewhere. Maybe how he can pull that back up or what?
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I mean, it would be. It'd be wild if he did. Oh, I think if we aired the ones that didn't air, though, that would be pretty wild. But yeah, there was definitely some. There was like some ridiculous moments on there that were pretty great. But that was one of the wildest Ones and we just had to shut it down because it was like an endangerment to the lady or something.
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Yeah.
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But anyway, James Lee, good to see you.
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Thank you. Thank you for having me on the show.
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Thank you, man. I appreciate it, man. I really appreciate it. You live in, do you say where you live? California?
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Yes. I mean I, I tell people I live in San Diego. Okay. That's as bout as specific as I'll get, you know.
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Yeah. Thanks for coming on, man. I first learned about you like just in some clips online. I was like, yeah, look at this like investigator you. I feel like a lot of investigators now and a lot of people are getting kind of their news from guys like you. Nick Shirley, Hassan, Piker, Candace Owens clips. I, I just feel like it's becoming a lot more from social clips that people even get their news for sure.
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And I would, I would even say that I'm not like an investigator, I think is like really generous of what I do. Like I like to expose rich and powerful people. But it's like a, there's like a network of investigators. Like we're all leaning on each other to like somebody's find something. I'm like, oh, that's great. I'm going to put that in my video. So there's a, there's like a lot of information sharing that goes on. So I don't want to take credit for being like, you know, a guy that's like in, you know, there's like real, real investigators that are literally point through like document after document and sometimes I'll do that, but it's just like it's just me, so I don't have the resources to be able to do that a lot of times. So it's like there's like a collective network of like decentralized journalists or creators that's a good. In that space. Yeah.
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Decentralized journalists.
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Yeah, yeah. Like we don't work for one particular news organization of course. So like we all have our own editorial freedom, but there's like alignment in terms of we want to just expose rich and powerful people.
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Yeah. Or like so that feels like you're the, like sort of your theme is the Expo exposure of the elites.
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Elites or businesses. Right. I talk a lot about private equity and how they're basically buying up all the houses or they're taking over, you know, certain industries like the hospital industry or I did one recently that was on their buying. There's a private equity company buying all the sports rinks in, in the northeast and because they want to make more money. They were making rules in their contract. When you sign your key, it's like, it's like youth hockey. It's not like elite, you know, hockey. It's. It's like kids playing hockey. And they're assigning, making the parents sign this contract saying, you can't film your kids while they play hockey because they want you to Sign up for this 50amonth subscription service that they own that they want to like. It's like if you want footage of your kids playing hockey, you got to sign up for this.
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Oh. Like, it's a Max Preps thing or something. Like a.
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It's like, it's just. It's like. It's a company called Black Bear Sports. Black Bear Sports Group. And they own a ton of ice rinks in the northeast. Yeah, this one right here.
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Wow. They banned parents from recording kids hockey. We changed that. Okay, so.
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So, yeah, this is so they. I. I saw this article. I'm like, I gotta blow this up, right? Cause a lot of people aren't gonna read this article, right? So then I feel like it's my responsibility to say, hey, this is a big deal, because this is just them price gouging parents. Like, you're taking a moment of joy from these parents. Like, they just want to, you know,
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watch your kid practice and you're watching him.
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Exactly. And then now you want to pay wall that and make them sign up for 50amonth, which is like, more expensive than, you know, Netflix and all these other companies. So. So you're basically, like, taking advantage of their parents love to, like, yes, of course we want our kids, you know, record of our kids scoring a goal. So I'm gonna pay for that. But it's like, is that good? Is that, you know, is that the right thing to do? Yeah.
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Like, at what point is there do we decide, hey, we don't need to make a dollar off of this? Right. There' human value here. That's worth more than some ownership or that's worth more than, like, the rights to something. And then how weird does it get once you start giving away the rights to film your own kids? And then it's, you know, like, how long before a drone is in the sky? And if you want footage your kid playing in your yard, you have to, you know, email the drone and pay a fee to get a certain clip of your child on a swing. Because if you pull your own phone out in your backyard, it won't work anymore because you didn't pay a subscription fee. You know, I'M saying you just sounds dystopian. It sounds dystopian, but where we're getting now sounds dystopian, you know, in some places anyway and in some ways for sure. How did you get into kind of, let's say, investigative journalism? Like, what spurned you to become someone who kind of wanted to expose.
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So you want like, I can give you like a short version or like a slightly longer version because. Okay, so I'll, I'll try to make it succinct as possible. So like many. So this is like when I was a kid growing up, I was, I think I was in elementary school. My mom asked me, hey, what do you want to do when you grow up? And I said, teacher? She's like, what? I said, yeah. And he's like, why? And I said, well, summer breaks, duh. But that wasn't so. So like, for me, that was the joke reason. But really I love just like I have this natural curiosity for things. I love learning about stuff and I love telling other people about stuff. So like, that's, to me, that's a teacher. Like what I do right now is like teaching in a sense of like I'm reading, you know, basically like one chapter ahead and then I'm learning about stuff. Like, wow, this is really cool. I want to share that with the world and hopefully you can use that information to better your life. That's, that's my hope. I never obviously did that. I worked a bunch of different things and like I was saying I was working a call center, just, just random startups. I didn't go anywhere. So then maybe about 10 years ago, I was talked into applying to business school. So then I went to nyu. I went to the full time MBA program at nyu.
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You lived in New York a couple years, yeah. Cool.
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It was cool. It was cool for a little. I actually didn't like living in New York. It was like, just too, too much for me. Like the stimulus was. It's a lot. Yeah, it was better back then. Now I go back, I go back probably a couple times a year because I still have friends out there and I visit them. And when I go there now I'm like, whoa, this is like sensory overload for me at this point. But anyway, so I went to business school and I actually wrote my essay because that was when I was applying to business school, was when Bernie first started running his 2016 campaign for president. And I was a big Bernie guy. And that's when I first learned of like, oh, wow, the Democratic Party is Not so Democratic. Like, I'm sure you know some of the stories about him getting screwed over by the dnc and he got railroaded.
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He won some primaries and then they pulled him out. They pulled him out.
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Well, they, well, they, they gave like, for example, they gave Hillary, like, access to the, the debate questions ahead of time. They were rigging all the rules against Bernie, just like, and then they were creating smear campaigns that originated from the dnc, like the Bernie Bros. That was like a DNC manufactured smear campaign to say, oh, Bernie Sanders is a racist and a sexist. That came from the DNC themselves. That wasn't like an outside group saying that it could be Right. It was never an official dnc. Nobody said it was an official DNC contract. It was a leak that came out later on that said, oh, yeah, I
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wouldn't, I would not be surprised. I mean, either way, his, his own party railroaded him. His own party did not give him.
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No.
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Yeah, people wanted him and they did not give the people what they want. Which is really the most Democratic.
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That was, I mean, that was the race that we were supposed to have. Like, that was, that's one thing that makes me sad. It's like we were supposed to have like the populist right, Trump, populist left. Bernie. That was supposed to be the election.
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Yeah.
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And that was going to be like, that would, imagine that fight right there, that would have been, that's what the soul of America is all about. Instead, the Democrats got like the most establishment candidate, Hillary Clinton. Nobody wanted her. But anyway, so around that time, I was going, I was applying to business school, so I'd seen all that happen. So I wrote my essay, going to business school. I was like, hey, I want to work in the news business because I want to improve, you know, the, the way we report the news. And so I went to business school. So immediately I got in there, they're like, I don't think you're going to be able to get a job at a news agency because you don't have any experience. So why don't you do consulting instead? Apparently anybody can be a consultant.
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That's true.
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And so, so they're. Yeah, no, seriously. I was like, I have no, none of this background. So like credited consulting firms, like, if you go to the right school, they will hire you as long as, you know you do well in the, the interviews and things like that. So I became a consultant, management consultant for four and a half, five years at a big four consulting firm. And, and it just so Happens coincidentally. So then Covid hit, like, maybe a year after I started working in consulting. And it just so happened that I was working for a big pharma client at the time. And so Covid, big awakening for, I think, a lot of us. I mean, me, for many other people. Because at first I was like, one of the people who was, okay. I was like, all right, we got to stay inside. We got to lock down. We got to stop the spread. Right. Who doesn't want to stop? I was like, I'll start. Yeah, let's stop the spread. Let's do that. And then it was then the mass, and then eventually the vaccines. But then over the next course, like maybe a year, year and a half, things started coming out that was, like, weird. It was like, what the heck is this? Like, they seem to be contradicting themselves. Then you had that whole Joe Rogan debacle of the Ivermectin when they said it was horse pace, when there's, like a human version of it, that obviously he's not taking the veterinary medicine for sure. So then I saw that. But then I was on the inside. I was literally like, okay, something weird's going on. And then I got to do. So this is the year. I think it was like, 2022. Right at the beginning of 2022.
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So you're working for a big pharma company at that time as a consultant.
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As a consultant, yeah. If my specialization was supply chain, so I was doing projects like optimizing inventory. So it's like how much product you have based on how much you're going to sell and how much you're making. Because you want to have the right amount.
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Right.
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If you have too much, it's going to be. There's going to be leftover, it's going to expire. You're going to have to throw it away. If it's not enough, then, you know, you run out of stock and you can't make money. Right. So you have to have the perfect amount. So that was. That was my job. And a lot of it was like making PowerPoints, you know, spreadsheet. PowerPoint work.
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Yeah.
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And so then we did this project at the beginning of 2022 for this big pharmacy. I can't say which one for legal reasons, but it was one of the manufacturers of the COVID 19 vaccine. And one of the projects that we did was looking at the totality of the inventory they had within this product. And we went to them with this, with the. With a report saying that by the End of this year. And this is. So this is once again 2022. So then everybody who wanted to get the vaccine had taken it by this point. It was. Because 2021 is where it came out. It's about a year after that, people had already gotten their first couple doses. And so we, we let them know. It's like, hey, it looks like you're going to have a few hundred dollars or, sorry, few hundred million dollars worth of inventory at the very least, depending on how you calculate it could be more worth more than that. That's going to be left over at the end of the year. That has no demand against it, meaning you're not going to be able to sell it. Nobody's buying it. And then a few weeks later, you're
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going to have product left on the shelves.
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You could have. Well, yeah, exactly. Nobody's buying this. And then a few weeks later, I see the CEO of this company go on to CNBC or one of these news, you know, companies, news shows, and he says, well, I think it's time to do like another booster shot. And so then to me, I was like, holy fuck. This is. This whole thing is, is. I can't do this anymore. I was like, I'm out.
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So they created the booster because, oh, we have extra leftover. Of course.
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I mean, people say that, but then they'll call you a conspiracy theorist for saying that because it was like, no, there's scientific backing to this and that, but I'm on the inside. I'm like, this doesn't look. This is. This seems like a pure financial decision, dude.
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Magellan was a conspiracy theorist, wasn't he?
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What, for going around the world?
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Well, no. Who's the guy that prophesied that there was another place to go to sail to?
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Well, Columbus was the guy that said, the world is round and I'm gonna go the other way.
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Right.
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People going one direction. He's like, I think I can get around to the other side. That was Columbus.
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Oh, yeah, Columbus. That's the original reach around right there. Yeah. First of all, let's just say that, dude.
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But at that point, I. I thought, man, I think I'm contributing to evil and I don't want to do this anymore.
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Wow.
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And eventually I. I got out. There's a. There's a whole story of, like, me getting let go because I was saying I started getting more rogue at work, you know, just like saying stuff you're not supposed to say.
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Oh, yeah. Milling around the water cooler. Yeah.
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Well, it's like, powerful. You Know, the, the, the, the. The elites of the company, you know, the people who are really high up. And I started saying stuff that was like, I think was correct, but it was uncomfortable for them to hear.
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Yeah.
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And then, and then I get brought into, like, a meeting. It's like, hey, do you, you know, what's your future look like here at this company? Where do you see yourself? That kind of thing. And then I was put on a performance improvement plan shortly thereafter that people who know. Yeah, people who work in corporate America will know what that is. Right. It's basically their way of firing somebody without legal.
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Right. They try to show that there's steps.
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Yeah. They say, like, oh, we're not firing this person for any other reason other than poor performance. Except, you know, they, they said I was doing, like, typos. And it was like, really?
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First of all, what Asian is doing typos? I mean, to make it racial.
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There are. I'm not going to say there aren't typos or sometimes there were typos. Yeah, but.
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But that's more of a. That's certainly more of a general Caucasian problem.
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You talking about Epstein with the typos on the emails or.
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Oh, that's a good point.
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Like, the whole thing is typos.
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You didn't want to commit to, you know, complete. Completing a word, you know?
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Yeah, it was very bizarre. I mean, this is getting off track, but very bizarre how he typed. It was like, there's commas, but then there's three spaces after that.
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It's almost like you wanted to show that if the case ever tried to show this, it wouldn't match up with anything else, you know, and that's when you're in such a state of, like, protecting yourself, like, outsmarting the world. So then at what point do you start? Because you started making clips first, and then you started 5149. That's your podcast.
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So I. So I started the. So when Covid hit, I actually just started doing videos on YouTube just because I had more time on my hands. And I was just like, let me look into some of this stuff. So I started doing like, one video a week on the weekends. I was just like, you know, they're shitty videos. They're still up. People can look for them. They're not very good, but it's just me looking into stuff. So then after that, I started doing more and more of that. Putting stuff on. Yeah, Making content. So I was on YouTube. And then, then I started posting on TikTok and then Instagram and Rogan shared
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something here or mentioned at one time.
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He. Yeah, he. He shared something. It was actually a really funny clip because I was wearing my bucket hat and. And like, I think it was like Shane Gillis or somebody. He was like, yo. Oh, that's the clip right there. Yeah.
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Let's see. It's not a reliable. My number one source of news. When I sent Jamie yesterday, you. You want to get mad? Yeah, let's get mad. The LA Fire Fund, you know, they had this big, big fundraiser. They raised a hundred million dollars. James Lee did a thing about it on Instagram. This. The way they distribute the money is so crazy. You're gonna, you're gonna read this and you're never gonna want to donate to charity again. Listen to this. I looked into it a little bit. We'll watch it.
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B
But it. I. What, what they say, though, is that
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within the first month, they distributed half of that money. Hold on. Before you press play. Yeah, that's awesome, though. But that. I remember this thing. I remember, like, oh, so this guy's catching on. People are curious about this guy. People are adapting to. I think what they feel like is genuine, even if it's just genuine curiosity. Yeah. I think people are attacked that you can find, you know, there's something inside of you that will attract to it. Right. And people also are. I think they're truth seekers. It's like, you know, water seeks, like, the. A comfortable level. So it's like, that's how people works. Kind of finding you and being like, oh, well, there's something here that's real, you know?
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B
Well, for me, I'm literally like the definition of a person who is just a regular guy. I don't think I'm too, like, smarter than regular people. I, I was like a decent student, but never the top student. Like, I, I'm not. I. I'm not a good reader. But what I had was this kind of, like, curiosity. And one thing that I do think I'm good at is, like, just recognizing patterns of, like, this, this, this, this. And I'm like, oh, these kind of all fit together. It's like there's. There's like a logical pattern that's happening here. And so I'm just a literal definition of a guy who. Imagine just like, hey, we're going to make you, like, an anchor in the news. Like, and then you're going to be able to say whatever you want. And that's just me. So, like, I have no editorial sort of control from other people. It's just like whatever, I'm interested, I'll do a video on that. And there's nobody really to tell me you can't do this, you can't do that. Other than of course like getting deplatformed.
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A
Right. Which happened.
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Yeah. Which. Which did happen. But other recently. Yeah.
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Happened recently on Tick Tock.
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Yeah.
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We'll come back to why that happened. If I could go back in time and do one thing, I, I think I would invest. That's what I would have done. At the time. I didn't know. I felt like I didn't know enough. Oh, I don't have enough information or I don't know how to get the right information. What do I, you know, I don't know where to start, but I wish I just realized that a lot of investing is just time in the market. So many of us focus only on where our money is today. Acorns is the financial wellness app that cares about where your money is going tomorrow. Acorns is easy. You can sign up in minutes and start automatically investing your spare money, even if all you've got is spare change. That's what I love about Acorns is that they give your money a chance to grow. Sign up now and join the over 14 million all time customers who have already saved and invested over $27 billion with Acorns. Plus Acorns will boost your new account with a $20 bonus investment offer. Available at acorns.com theo that's a C O R-N-S.com T H E O to get your 20 bonus investment today. Terms and conditions apply. See acorns.com terms for details. Acorns Tier 2 compensation provided potential subject to various factors such as customers accounts, age and investment settings does not include Acorns fees. Results do not predict or represent the performance of any Acorns portfolio. Investment results will vary. Investing involves risk. Acorns Advisors LLC and SEC registered investment advisor viewport acorns.com Theo As America celebrates its 250th birthday this year, let's remember the people who helped build it, the American Ranchers. And one way to do that is, I believe, by supporting American Ranchers. And no one does that better than good ranchers. That's where I get my meat and poultry. I have a subscription. At a time where most Americans aren't sure where any of our products are coming from, good ranchers is doing things right. They source their cuts from local farms and American ranches, full stop. I've met these guys and we've Talked about how they're one of the only meat companies dedicated to keeping things sourced in the US They've got all the cuts of meat. They've got this and that and poultry and thighs and filets and nugget. They've got it. And it's good. I'm a subscriber. You can be too. Subscribe now to Good Ranchers and get free meat. Yep. Just use code theo to get $100 off over your first three orders. Go to goodranchers.com and use code THEO. That's goodranchers.com. american meat delivered. They are the truth. What about the fires? Have you noticed about it? Like, has there been some rabbit holes you've gone down with the la.
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Well, the la. So the Palisades fire specifically was. Was. Now it's. It's very much proven with facts that originated from another fire that started 10 days earlier. I don't know if you've heard about this. There's another fire that started on New Year's Day. They said it was like fireworks. Somebody was there and there was like a smoldering. So the firefighters had come and technically put it out. But the residents there. And I've talked to a couple of residents there, they're saying, no, there was still like, smoke emanating from the brushes. And. And then seven or eight days later, that's when the big fire came in with the wind and it, like, whipped everything back up.
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That's the same thing that happened in Maui. A fire was put out. The police stayed there all night with it, thought it was out. They were. They waited there all night until, like, I think, until like 2 4, 4am or something. And then they went home. They said, there's nothing left. In the morning, the winds kicked up. And that's when it got to another level anyway.
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And Gavin Newsom was saying stuff like, oh, we can't. Couldn't have done that because of vegetation. It's like some environmental reason why they couldn't go back in. It was like, kind of bullshit. So now the state's getting sued because they're culpable for it. And they even said this is like a couple of weeks after the fire had started, the deputy fire chief said, there's no way this big fire was started from the other fire because we put that fire. That fire was dead out. And now it's not dead out. Spencer Pratt has been really big on this in terms he's running mayor of LA and he's all over this.
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Yeah, I'm seeing that. So who Says the small fire caused the big fire and who says it did it? So what do we know what really happened?
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Yeah, we know there's now, there's now evidence that definitely came from, from the first fire. So now the state is getting sued by, I can't remember who the, I
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A
don't know who because what did they do?
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Well, what they did was they, it was negligent because they didn't follow the procedures to put out the fire. Got it because they knew that there was still smoldering. I think there's records of this, but they couldn't go in for vegetative reasons or whatever it is. And so now they're in trouble because now the damage that's been caused to the entire Palisades community. Yeah, see, there it is.
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One year ago, just after midnight on New Year's Eve, a small brush fire broke out in Topanga State park above the Pacific Palisades outside Los Angeles. Within hours, the Los Angeles Fire Department arrived on scene, began digging hand lines to stop its spread. The eight acre fire, ignited by a 29 year old former Palisades residential who has since been charged with arson, was quickly brought under control. By 4:46am the department declared it fully contained with no further updates anticipated. But the fire was never fully extinguished. A week later, on January 7, it reignited and burned more than 23, 000 acres, destroyed 6, 800 structures and killed 12 people in what became LA's worst urban wildfire catastrophe. And I'm guessing that was the Palisades fire.
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That's the Palisade. That's the Palisades. There's another big fire, the Eaton fire, which is in altitude Adena. And that one was caused by PG&E because one of the power lines fell down. Yeah. And so they're getting sued right now for that.
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Wow.
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But can a fire smolder for that long?
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B
I've been told yes, it could smolder for a number of days, even weeks. It's because it's really dry there. There hadn't been rain for a long time. I even looked, there was like literally NASA satellite imagery of like you could see like the hotspot like and, and it doesn't necessarily have to be like smoking from my understanding it could be like under the, the earth, it could be like hot.
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Right.
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And then any kind of wind condition you could like. I don't know how it really works from scientific perspective, but it's like starting a fire. It's like starting a fire in a campsite. Like you can under the right conditions, the fire will start. So I think the issue here in terms of the liability is that the fire department is supposed to go back in and check it to make sure that it has been put out.
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Got it.
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And because they didn't do that, the liabilities now on them in terms of the damage, I mean, there's billions of dollars of damage now. Which opposes. I mean, which is contradictory to what they said, which is like, the fire is dead out. We did our job.
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What were they saying it was the original cause of the fire?
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Well, they said it was just like an act of God. It was like, you know, there's no way to stop this because it was so crazy.
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The wind and Poseidon or whatever.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Zeus did it.
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Yeah, exactly. And this is what Spencer Pratt's been going on, but he's like, this is not, like, just some crazy thing. It's. It could have been easily preventable if you guys had done your job.
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A
Well, what was the issue with the. With the fundraising? Were they giving.
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Oh, the fundraising. So there's actually. I think they're getting sued as well now, because that was, like, from, like, six or eight months ago when I was doing that video. But what happened there was, like, they. They collected a bunch of money from this, like, concert. Right. This, like, benefit concert, and they're supposed to go to the fire victims. But then when you do, like, when you partner with the nonprofits, a lot of that money first just gets absorbed by the nonprofit for, like, administrative things.
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Yeah. Holiday parties like that or.
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Exactly. And then, from what I understand, like, I've talked to a few residents, like, we didn't see any of the money. Like, how do we get this? And then the. There's people or organizations that can sign up to get that money distributed to them. And there would be other companies, like diaper companies or whatever it is, like, services.
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Diaper companies.
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So, like, for example, these companies come in and say, well, we can help distribute diapers.
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Oh.
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To residents that have lost their homes. But then now that creates another bureaucratic step for if you've lost your home, like, you just want a check. Like, just give me some money so I can, like, survive. I don't want to go to this organization to, like, collect a diaper because I have a child. It just makes things, like, way more complicated that way.
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Understand? So it's a lot of. They'll donate it to these other places, maybe a friend's charity, whatever. This is.
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Exactly.
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Next thing you know, it's been distributed to all these different Spots and there's not any.
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And then the residents, they don't know like where the spots are. And so it's a lot easier for them to say, hey, this is the deed to my house. It burned down. Can I collect my 5,000 or whatever the distribution was.
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Right.
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It would be a lot easier to do it that way. But the, the people who organizes the Ballmer group, which owns the, the Clippers and the, the stadium in la, but
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you think they would want to then do the most human thing then if it's a, they're, they're owning the, the Clippers, you know, I'm saying they want the fans to come to their games.
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Well, they, I think they thought they were doing the humane thing, but it's like, I think it's just that the, the, the corruption of the system is like, well, we have all these charities that we already work with, so let's like bring them into the fold of this. But it's not like the best solution. The best solution is just to give people the money that need the help.
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Yeah.
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But then now they're just enriching, you know, the people who are their friends, like all their, you know, partners that are doing all these nonprofits, they get a little bit of a cut as well, you know, through this process. You just want a little cut.
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Yeah. In its report, the House Judiciary Committee stated money went to left leaning pet projects, illegal aliens, and the administrative costs related to running non profit organizations. This is from CBS News. You had examples of funds used for voter outreach efforts towards political advocacy groups, towards podcasters, fungus planning. Those examples are pretty troubling. I do want to be clear. There were many organizations that got funds, non profits that are certainly very worthy non profits.
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I think there was one. I was talking to Alo Black. He was, because he's involved, his house burned down and he was like, I don't understand why the, the, what was it the community college of like Pasadena is getting money for this. Like they didn't, like why do they need money?
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Right.
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We don't know. So it's, I think it's more of like, hey, if you wanted to maximally benefit the people, you would do the right thing and you just give the money to the people. Like show that, show a record that you own this house.
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Right.
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And then come and collect your check versus all this bureaucratic where people can take. They're just trying to. The problem with the California is like they want to, they have, there's problems that they need to solve, but they need to create the solution always involves like people being able to like stick their hand in the cookie jar and taking a cut here, taking a cut there. And then by the time the money goes to the people who need it, it's like a lot less of it.
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Yeah.
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Actually is there.
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There's no dessert left, really.
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Yeah.
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For the people that need it most. Oh, wait. Robertson is an attorney representing Palisades fire victims in a civil case against the city. He says public records obtained by the LA Times add credibility to his claim that the Lock Bachmann fire was not properly extinguished. Okay. A new report from LA Times claims the Los Angeles Fire Department tried to protect Mayor Karen Bass from reputational harm. It was smoldering right on the top of the ground and we have numerous hikers that took video that called 911 that still took photographs.
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So that they're definitely. There's so much evidence that the fire was improperly put.
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A
Got it.
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So they're under. I mean the state of California is getting sued because technically I think it's a state land and I think now it's funny, I heard Spencer talking about this. Karen Bass is like trying to join that lawsuit against Gavin Newsom. She's like trying to, you know, she's like, whoa, I'm also been wronged in this situation as well as it was Gavin Newsom. So they're all pointing fingers at this point.
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A
I mean that's Malibu.
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B
But then. Okay, so. But then the. I want to do the outcome of this is like many homes being burned down and then corporations coming in to buy these homes. Yeah. You know, if you. I think you could probably look up a stat like more than 50% of houses that have been purchased in LA after the fires were purchased by corporations
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in fire districts or just anywhere?
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B
No, no. In the. The fire areas that burned down. I saw that there was a headline for of this for sure.
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Got it.
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Like the houses that have burned. I think not of just regular under homes. I think.
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Let me see if we gotta fact check that. Investors are buying close to half the empty lots in LA burn zones. Report says that's conclusion researchers with the online real estate listings platform Redfin reached in a new report published Tuesday. Analyzing transactions in LA county burn zones during July, August and September. They found that about 40% of Pacific Palisades vacant lots went to corporate buyers in both Altadena and Malibu. About 44% of such vacant lot sales went to investors. Huh. I wonder though, is there some benefit? Maybe they're putting it into just a business or an llc? I wonder if there's some other benefit of doing it that way, you know, I'm saying, like, maybe there's a different inch. Maybe it's insurable that way, and maybe regular homes. You know what I'm saying? Like, I wonder if there's something else that adjusts that.
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I don't. I mean, if. I don't think so. I mean, it seems like at the very least, you can argue the size of the Investor. Are they BlackRock or is it like some person who owns like five homes?
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Got it.
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B
Right. That. That could be something to discuss, but it's certainly not people who live there. Like, if you want your home and you live there, it's not like that. It's not like for your family. It's like this guy's buying the home to like, rent it out or to flip it or something like that. Yeah. Which isn't ideal for, you know, homeownership. And, you know, you want people to live in the home.
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A
Yeah. And you can get a homestead exemption that way. I mean, I just, you know, or there's different things, like if it's your primary residence. Oh, before I forget. Yeah. What. What got you de Platformed? Let's talk about that and then let's get into the Epstein stuff because that's kind of current, and we'll.
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B
Yeah.
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Go down some rabbit holes here with the. With one of the lead hairs here, for sure.
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B
Well. So TikTok, they never tell you why you're banned.
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A
Yeah. None of these places kind of do.
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B
No, you don't know. They just. One day you're banned. Some people have warnings and strikes before they're banned. I wasn't in that situation. I had a good standing account with no issues, and all of a sudden I was banned. I was banned twice, actually. So the first time I was banned, you can only now context clues. The first time was when I did a video about how our FBI director, Cash Patel, might be getting honey potted. You know, people have been talking about that. I don't know. I never said. I was just reading, you know, other people's sort of reporting and who she was. And it's like, hey, this seems like kind of a weird relationship. Like, does she work. You know, she's working closely with Prageru, which is basically like an Israeli run outlet. There's an intelligence officer that runs Prageru. So is she involved in that? And then it got banned after that, but then I was able to get that restored, actually, through a friend who knew somebody at TikTok. They're like, okay, I think we can help get you back on. So then I was back, and then the next time happened. Very shortly after, I was named named Anti Semite of the Week by that group. Stop Anti Semitism.
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A
Oh, yeah. The week. They're doing the weekly. I don't even know that they're doing it weekly now. Yeah, there you go. Oh, yeah, there you go. I remember Tucker Carlson was on this, too. Yeah. Who won? Did you get into. Would you.
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B
Tucker one?
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A
Tucker one.
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B
Yeah, he. I mean, he was just in Israel. I don't know if you saw some of that interview with him and Huckabee.
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A
Oh, yeah, I did. Dude. It's definitely pretty baffling.
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B
Yeah.
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A
What was one of the takeaways from the Huckabee interview that you found interesting?
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B
Well, I thought it was really interesting how Huckabee was just being so open about what the project is there. He's like, yeah, I want Israel to take the whole thing. Like, because Tucker was saying, hey, based on Gaza.
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A
You mean about.
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B
Not Gaza, the whole Middle east, basically. He was. Because he was talking about how based on scripture, this. This whole land is like the Greater Israel Project.
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A
Yeah.
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B
He's like, oh, yeah, you have a biblical right to do this. And, and. And are you okay with Israel taking the whole thing, which includes other countries like Jordan and Lebanon and Saudi Arabia, all these countries? And Huckabee's like, yeah, I'm good with that.
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A
Yeah. I mean, it's pretty baffling. I mean, Huckabee just really. It feels like he's more of a politician for Israel than America.
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B
Well, that's certainly the case.
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A
I mean, he's the ambassador, right?
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B
He is the ambassador, but he also met with Jonathan Pollard, who's the spy, convicted spy, you know, traitor to America. And he met him on the. At the American Embassy in Jerusalem, which is, you know, I mean, it's pretty up.
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A
I mean. Yeah. Unless he was.
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B
Yeah, there was actually a clip and he was like, I didn't meet with. There was not a meeting. Or he was like, it wasn't a meeting, but I meet with people all the time. Was more of like, I was there with him. Okay.
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A
Call it what you will.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So.
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B
But I have a theory around this, because I was like, why was. Why would he even want to do this? Why would they want to telegraph it so nakedly to people and basically say that, yeah, Israel controls American foreign policy. That's kind of crazy thing to do. And my. And then why was Tucker even allowed to do. Do this interview? And I have this theory of like, basically both parties, the Democrat and the Republicans, they need to create these release valves for the base in order to keep it intact. Like they have that on the left with like Bernie Sanders aoc. I see them as kind of a release valve to. To. To get people back in the Democratic Party fold.
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A
Right.
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B
Instead of going to a third party, something else. You know, like the last election in Michigan, they had this non committed vote in Michigan where people really, because they didn't want to vote for a Democrat because they're supporting the genocide in Gaza, and they voted for this non committed party line, like, I'm not gonna vote for anybody. And that was actually a Democratic Party move to insert that in because if they didn't vote the uncommitted, they would have voted Green Party. And they didn't want vote people to vote Green Party.
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A
I see. So they created this other thing that made them feel some type of way, but really it was owned by the. It was owned by the.
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B
Exactly. So he was right.
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A
And they both do that. I think you're right on both sides. There's like.
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B
And Tucker is the release valve, I think on the right where it's like people are kind of fed up with the whole like prioritizing Israel before everything else. So Tucker is. Creates this, like, okay, at least somebody's saying this stuff, so like, we feel a little bit better.
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A
But do you think he's an instrument of the Republican Party to do that?
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B
That's the. I mean, I wouldn't know. You would have to ask him about that. I think he's. From my understanding, I only know people who know him. I don't. I've never spoken to Tucker, so I don't know what. You know, I don't really know anything about him, but I think in general, he seems to me, from the outside looking in, sort of a guy who wants to do the right thing, report on the right stuff. I think he really feels really bad about the Iraq war. I mean, you've spoken to him, so you can tell me more. Like, it seems like he's remorseful for the fact that he was such a big champion of a war that got like a million Iraqis killed, thousands of Americans, created geopolitical chaos.
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A
He mentioned that in the Huckabee interview. Some of that. He mentions that. He mentions that kind of stuff a lot.
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B
Yeah.
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A
To me he seems genuine. I mean, but he.
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B
It doesn't mean. But he could still be used by the party apparatus, right?
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A
Sure.
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B
It's like, oh, you want to do this interview. We'll allow you to do this interview.
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A
Interview. Right. Oh, I see what you're saying. Right. Like even. That might even be a way of being used that you don't even realize it.
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B
Exactly.
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A
Because you give somebody a. Like, okay, you can interview this guy of ours. We know he'll say some things. Yeah, It'll. It'll. It'll let people. Some. The people. Some will be like, oh, I was right, and lets a little bit of steam out of the kettle.
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B
Exactly, exactly.
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A
That's one thing I realized about when I was sitting with Bernie recently is. Yeah. He just kind of yells these things. And I've. I've been a Bernie guy. I wanted Trump and Bernie to be on the same ticket years ago.
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B
That would have been wild, huh?
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A
It would have been great. Because I feel like you need to have two people that have different views on the same ticket.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like a president and a vice president. Then whoever loses becomes the vice president in the election.
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B
That's how they used to do it the first three elections were done.
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A
That's how it should be done, because then you have somebody that. You have differing opinions. Who has differing opinions than you, and you guys are in the same office, and you guys have to figure things out. Right. Like, to me, that makes sense. Right. It seems like the most democratic way to go about it. What I realized, it's like, yeah, he's coming here and yelling things. He's been yelling the same things for 30 years. Yeah. And nothing is really getting done. And then when you look at everything, it's like, oh, wait, they've all been. We've all been yelling the same things for 30 years. Nothing is getting. It's all like, you start to realize that the politicians and the people, like, politicians are coming on a regular podcast and just yelling at the people, like, we've got to do this. We voted you to go do it. Don't vote us to send you up the mountain. And then you just come back down and be like, we gotta do it. Like, bitch, we just sent you to say, we gotta do it. So that's when I realized, oh, it's just this. And I think everybody realized that.
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B
That it's a little bit like theaters.
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It's a shell game. And it's. Yes, it's theater. And I think everybody's starting to see that. And so I think it's. To me, I think it's getting very interesting right now, which in some ways also is kind of exciting.
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Well, I think. I mean, that's one of the things I do appreciate about Trump is that they are saying some of these things just very nakedly. So then we could just have the conversation about the real thing, right? It's like when we go take Maduro in Venezuela, it's not like some bullshit about democracy or this and that. It's like, oh, yeah, no, we do want the oil. That is a primary reason why going over there. So then we don't have to do this whole rigmarole, this dance around why we're actually there. It's like, oh, we want the oil. So then we could decide, is this really good? Do you really want to be the country that everybody hates? I just, you know, I want to take Greenland, so I'm going to have it. I'm going to take Venezuela, I'm going to take Cuba. Is that really good? Or is it better for US Diploma or US standing in the world to like, do more diplomacy to get what we want versus just like straight up just sending aircraft carriers or like, you know, the SEAL team to go in there and do the thing.
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I agree. I mean, and I think there's a part of us now that like, you're even looking back at historic. Like, I'll watch old movies, like war movies now, and it's like it. I remember as a child, I'd be like, oh, yeah, America, we did it, right? And then you watch now and you're
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like, oh, hold on, what are we doing there? Well, that's. The Top Gun was like basically the Iran strike. It was literally. The plot is the same, the new Top Gun.
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Oh, I blame Miles Teller for that. And he knows it. I'm just joking, Miles.
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B
But.
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Oh, the. You mean the original one? You mean the original. Oh, the new Top Gun.
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The new Top Gun with Miles Teller.
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Yeah. Oh, so you're saying that because that
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was a strike on a uranium facility in Iran. That was the plot of the movie.
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Oh, wow. And do you think that they knew, like, okay, hold. There's a couple rabbit holes here that we're kind of burying eggs in here. But first, let me. You mentioned Venezuela, right? What do you think happened in Venezuela? Because here are things that I. That just a regular person. I heard there was minerals that we wanted over there. They were one of the few programs that had, like, their own financial system, so they weren't on the world financial system. And then that they had done something with voting machines. That was something I kept seeing online, that they had some part to do with the voting machines. What. In. In hindsight, what are. What did you See about Venezuela or what were some of the kind of the conspiracy, the ivermectin holes you were in?
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Well, I think Venezuela is really interesting in the sense that, yeah, like you said, there weren't a part of this system, but they were kind of forced into that position.
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But they weren't a part of what system?
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The financial system, Western financial system, because they, they've been sanctioned by the United states for like 20 years, roughly. And I only learned about this when I was digging into this because I don't know much about Venezuela, but I wanted to learn about the history. So I was like, okay, let me, let me do some, some searches on the Internet and see what they're telling us in the news versus, like what the history books are saying. And so it was like, well, I can't remember what year, but like, Hugo Chavez came to power as like the Socialist party in Venezuela and he started nationalizing the oil and he started doing programs to improve, you know, life expectancy and other important metrics in the country, like making people, like, earn more money, all this stuff. So, like, people's live. What do they call this? They call them quality of life. Quality. So yes, people's quality of life was improving in Venezuela, but the US didn't like the fact that they were, you know, socialists. So we don't want socialism. So then the Obama administration actually deemed Venezuela like an enemy to America. So then we started sanctioning them. So once we started sanctioning them, they had to start doing deals with other countries that weren't a part of the US system. So they started doing deals with like, Russia and China. And now fast forward 20 years later, we're like, these guys are selling oil to China, they're selling oil to Russia. We don't like this. But then you look back like, well, you forced them to sell them to those because those are the only countries that aren't a part of your block. So then those are the only countries they could sell it to. So then they're like, oh, the Venezuelan economy is so bad. They've, you know, everybody lives in poverty. Was like, part of the reason for that is like, you don't allow them to trade with any of our allies.
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Right. We cut them off at a time when they were growing.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So we want to stop them from growing stronger.
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Do you feel like, well, because their government was socialist. So now all of a sudden you have a socialist regime that's doing well, doing well right in sort of your backyard area, which is not ideal for sort of our Capitalist kind of style. Like, you don't want an example of that here. That's just my opinion. So. So then they started sanctioning it. So it's a bipartisan thing. It's not. This is Trump government, Obama government started this, right? With. With the sanctioning. Trump added on, got it, made it more, you know, robust, the sanctions. And then all of a sudden, while we got to get this guy out of power because, you know, he's smuggling drugs or something like that. But also he was very open about the oil. Like, he's like, we got to get the oil. But then part of it also, too, I think, is there the Israel part is like a side piece, but it does play. An important piece, is basically.
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What do you mean, the Israel part?
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So, like, basically, whatever country that opposes Israel, they basically tell us, like, we got to take that country out, we got to do a regime change. So, like, a lot of that is in the Middle east, but there's some other countries, for example, in Venezuela, they're very opposed to the Israeli government. Maduro was very open about calling what's happening in Gaza a genocide. And so they're like, we got to get rid of this. And this is. This is something I learned 20 years ago. There was an opposition guy. I can't remember his name, but he was running for. For president. And the. The media kind of slandered him or they smeared him as a homosexual and a Zionist. So then. So to me, that's like, okay, that means within the Venezuelan culture, Zionism is a bad thing. They're ascribing to this guy. So I think Israel come in and say, this is a country that doesn't really support our existence. We should. We should do a regime change.
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A
I see. So. So you're thinking that part of this was that Israel wanted to come in and have some effect on a country. Country that doesn't support them.
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Exactly. And you see that happening with other countries that are not. I mean, Iran is probably the main one right now. That's like the last of their list. I saw you talking to Dave Smith about this. Right. There's like a list of seven countries
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from, like, the neocons and stuff like that wanting to take over.
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Yeah, exactly. So then Iran is on that list. So it's like, that's why we got to take it out, even though we have no nuclear weapons at this point. Supposedly they told us they did.
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Well, I mean, one of the things is. Henry Capriles.
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Thank you. Yes. This is the guy I was talking
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about, Enrique Capriles Radonski is a Venezuelan politician lawyer who served as a 36th governor of Miranda. He ran against Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela's 2013 presidential election. Maduro and his supporters spread rumors about Caprilla's homosexuality as a smear tact, including public slurs. Enrique Capriles Radonski was labeled a Zionist by Venezuelan state media and Chavez Maduro allies. These accusations framed him as tied to international Zionism, often alongside his Jewish heritage. Oh, so he was a Jewish guy despite his Catholic faith, huh? Well, it seemed like they shouldn't have done that to him, but I guess that's how the media works, right?
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That's how the media works, yeah. If the state controlled media, which we have a lot of nowadays with like CBS News, is sort of, I would say, state controlled media since it was sold off to Larry Ellison.
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Yeah. Barry Weiss started Weiss controlling over there. How do you feel about that? That that's been since she took over? Kind of.
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Well, it hasn't really worked out. I think once she took it over, it was very overtly clear what they were trying to do. Right. They were doing pieces that were saying good stuff about Marco Rubio. They're hailing him as some kind of genius guy. They were also doing pro Israel propaganda. So it was very. I think it's very clear to people who consume the news what was going on. And it's actually, I think that's a playbook that's maybe a little bit outdated because not that many people get their news directly from CBS News anymore. There's.
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Right.
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There's like that crowd is decreasing. It's like old people. I don't want to say.
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Yeah, no. Well, a lot of people don't even have cable anymore. I don't even know where you would somebody. I don't know where you'd find it. It's like it used to be, you knew where the news channel used to be.
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B
Like, you knew who the nightly anchor was at all these. You see like the Walter Cronkites or the.
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A
And now it's. Now you have like John Lemon, like tickling some kind of church or whatever. You know, just trying to like tickle the holy water out of some honky or whatever. And you're like, what is even happening anymore?
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So I think just an outdated strategy. They think, oh, I want to buy the news so I can control the news.
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Got it.
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But it turns out people don't really like that. People know that. And that's the same thing that happened to Washington Post too. Right. Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post. He thought they were going to be able to do kind of pro Bezos propaganda for him. Turns out all his viewers or readers hated that they canceled. And now, you know, they're doing. I think they just laid off like a third of their staff.
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Wow. And a lot of that media, it's just older media.
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B
Yeah.
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So it's just kind of like leave. You know, some of that realm is changing. It's just like not a changing the guard, but it's like, you know, people want to come and just listen to something in a place where they feel like it's not being controlled anyway.
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Yeah. And I think there's. So there's. That way is old. So then there's other ways. They're trying to subversively control independent media as well. And we can get into that while you're.
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They're trying to subversively control independent media as well. And we can get into that if you want later on.
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A
Well, yeah, I mean, you got deplatformed. So that was from TikTok, you said. And it was from something that was.
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B
Well, I think it was related to me being named anti Semite of the week.
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A
Okay.
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And I think they have like tight connections because TikTok's moderation team is run by an IDF soldier. Exactly.
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Yeah.
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She was hired recently to run moderation at TikTok. She's an American who moved to Israel, then got Israeli citizenship. There it is.
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Erica Mindel. That's a pretty name. IDF soldier, public policy manager of hate speech at TikTok. Well, did you say something that was hate speech?
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Well, according to them, yes. Because I've been really critical of the Israeli government, the genocide, all these subversive tactics. They've, you know, they lied to us about all kinds of stuff. So I do report on that. And that is now considered hate speech at TikTok.
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A
If you're cons, if you're. If.
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So I'm criticizing the Netanyahu government. Right. For what they've done. That is now considered because of the definition. Now they're basically saying anti Zionism is anti Semitism. That is the definition that they're all adopting, including, like the adl. So if I criticize the government, that's. That's sort of a proxy for criticism of Jewish people.
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Well, that seems to me. That seems bizarre. I mean, I'm at the Comedy Store last night and people are having jokes that are anti Israel, and the crowd is going nuts. Right. The entire crowd is cheering. In those moments, you know, it seems to be a very popular sentiment that people aren't going to support a government that's doing what. What I believe is largely believed by most people these days to be a genocide or to be. You know, some people will call it a new Holocaust or whatever people call it different things. Right, right. But that most people believe that it's wrong. Right. People saw it. You can't. You can't trick my heart. You know what I'm saying? It's just like if you've been. If the media has been telling me for years with a Holocaust definition that this is wrong, then you can't show me the same thing and say it's. Now. It's not wrong for some reason. But also to not attach that to my Jewish friends. Like, I had Jewish friends who are in the audience this weekend, and I make anti Israel jokes, and they don't have a. None of my friends have a problem with it, you know, So I think. I don't know how one really connects to the other, you know, And I don't know if that's a. Is that a problem of someone who's just trying to have a voice or is that an Israel's problem that they need to figure out with their own behavior? Is that kind of. Does that make any sense to you?
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Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. I think part of it is too. It's kind of a little bit dark, I think, what I'm about to say. But I think part of them wants to create more anti Semitism. That's like sort of the goal is like, you are not anti Semitic at all. You don't have any hatred towards Jewish people. You think everybody should be treated the same, depending regardless of their, you know, creed or color, race, immutable traits, whatever, and they want to make it. It so that you actually don't like them. Because part of the Israel Project is getting Jewish people to move to Israel. This is what I've been told. This is what I've been researching for the last couple years. Like, that's part of their strategy. There was a very famous Israeli podcaster who was like, oh, I love Mumdani. And like, why do you love Mumdani? He's like an anti Semite. That's. I don't believe that's true. But they're saying, hey, Mom, Donnie's really anti Israel. He's like, this is great, because this is going to get people to move to Israel. That's what I want. And so I think that's part of the strategy. There's also another thing too, with like, a group like the Anti Defamation League, that their whole job is, like, to reduce anti Semitism. Right? That their job is combating anti Semitism.
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Well, that makes sense. Like, I mean, you think you want to be able to protect, like, people.
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So, so the, the crux of that is then you get.
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A
Has the ADL spoken out against the Israeli government?
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B
No, they're pretty much run by the Israeli guy. So that's the problem with the.
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A
That would seem like something they should do is speak out against the leader.
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B
No, the ADL has long been. I did a whole mini documentary.
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A
Does it make sense what I'm saying? Like, why wouldn't you speak out against the bad guy?
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Because the ADL is acting on behalf of the Israeli government as sort of a spy organization in America. I mean, you can look at that as 80.
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A
So they're not a free thinking group. They're a group that. That is.
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Yeah, they're. They're a civil. They call themselves a civil rights group. But what they're actually doing is trying to like, create more anti Semitic behavior in the United States. Because if you think about it this way, like, you have an organization, your whole thing is like, combating anti Semitism. So let's say one day there's no more anti Semitism. What happens to this organization?
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You're out of work.
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You're out of work. So then they got to create more incident. So Every year the ADL's crazy, dude. Every year the ADL has published the anti Semitism report. It's gone up. Every single year, the same guy is still there. I'm like, if you were the CEO of a company and your job, you're doing shittier and shittier job, wouldn't you get fired? Wouldn't somebody else go in there? You would need that number to come down. But every year the number's going up. The. No donations are going up. They're in the very nice building in New York City on Park Avenue. So, like, there's a whole, like, industrial complex. Same thing with the homeless. I make the, the analogy of the homeless industrial Complex in California where so much money is pouring, the homelessness. But what happens if we actually solve this problem for all these organizations? Like, you need this to continue, so then nothing gets.
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A
That's the same thing. You need all these things to continue. Right. You need the racism to continue. You need. Need crime. Because then you have people living in fear. Right. Like you need all these things. Right. Because it does start to feel like we're living in a theater that's sort of controlled.
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B
Yes.
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A
Well, let's get into some stuff that's kind of current.
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B
Okay.
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And. And do you feel like an anti Semite? Did you feel like that that was fair that they said that?
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B
Well, no, absolutely not. You can go to that article. There's nothing in there that I said I don't. Look, first of all, speaking personally, like, I don't have any problem. I have a lot of Jewish friends. I went to school in New York. I, you know, so I'm very sort of connected in that community. And some of the bagel belt, I mean, I wouldn't never, I would never sort of. I try to be like. I'm like so scared of even saying anything like that. You know what I'm saying?
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What, the bagel belt?
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B
Yeah. I don't.
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That's funny, dude. Who doesn't love good bagels? Anyway? My friend Max is opening a bagel shop in Florida right now.
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B
I know, I love it. I mean, every time I'm in New York, yeah, I'm eating bagels like every other meal, dude.
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What I don't like is when you go there and they don't have cinnamon raisin baked.
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B
Is that your thing?
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Well, I just like to have it as an option. If you, if you're not giving that as an option, it makes me question you. It's like, what if a kid comes in here? What if somebody who wants to have a little bit of a sweeter day comes in.
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Well, they got the blueberry for that.
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Yeah, I don't believe in that one. Anyway. What is a. James Lee is a conspiracist who brands himself as a champion of the independent thought. He uses Persona to spread long standing anti Semitic tropes and conspiracy theories. His commentary distorts the nature of anti Semitism and vilifies Jewish communities. Damn, James.
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B
But I. Well, I challenge them to find an example of me vilifying a Jewish community, you know?
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Yeah, well, it says right here they aren't even hiding it anymore. Israel owns America.
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B
Well, I mean, that's.
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They do. Well, let's talk about that for a second, man, you know, I could so, so much. Now there's like, why are we giving money to Israel? You hear that all the time. Right. It's not even, you know, something that people are scared to even talk about anymore. It's like, what are we sending all this money is report? And really just why is there the connection? Right. Like, it's. And. And there's not like, a clear answer sometimes. It's never like, hey, this is our ally. This. Because, you know, this is. But, yeah, you're like, we can't pay our nurses. We can't. You know, I'm saying we don't have, like, we have issues in our public schools. More people are choosing to homeschool than ever, which is just another burden on the family, really. Right. You know, our food supply has been deemed toxic. Toxic. Right. That's something that we're battling right now. 70% of young men can't serve in the military because of the physical shape that they're in. Right. Like, so you start to wonder, why do we have this extra money to just send to a place? Right. So that. That I think, is a very fair question. And I've been thinking about a lot, and I do think. I don't think we're just sending money to a place. I do believe that our country is owned by Israel and that. So you just give the money to the boss. So it's not us. They're just getting the money. That's.
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That's theirs. That's theirs. Yeah.
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That's what I started to realize. I'm like, yeah, because if you do this for so long and it doesn't make any. You know, I'm saying, like, there's no answer. It's like, oh, well, that's just. Just. That's the boss coming in, just getting his money, you know, and so, yeah, I just think that that's kind of where we're at. And I don't mean that in an un American way. I think there's still, like, a lot of, like, strength and hard in the idea of America. But I've thought for a long time that we're just like an llc. Like, we're a shell company that's owned by Israel. And that's honestly just what it feels like, more and more.
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B
Yeah. Well, part of. Because it's like. It's. We're supposed to be, like, allies. So then there's. We're supposed to have, like, cooperation. You get something out of it. We get something out of it. But then I recently was Listening to a podcast with that CIA guy. I don't know if you've talked to him.
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A
John Kiriakou, the long guy with the curly hair?
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B
No, John Kiriakou looks like that.
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A
Yep. And is he a good guy?
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B
He's a good. So he was the one that. He was the one that whistleblow the torture program after Iraq and in Guantanamo in those places, like. And he went to jail for two years because he violated some. Some statute or whatever for. For telling us about that. That we were torturing, you know, people.
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He told it.
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B
Yeah.
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CIA whistleblower John Kiraku, who exposed the treatment of Al Qaeda suspects held in secret prisons, told the bureau today it was now down a journalist to tell the full story about the intelligence agency torture program because politicians did not have the will. Okay, got it. So I just want to get some clarity on who he is.
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B
So anyways, he. So he was asked, is there, like, one particular intelligence agency that you just did not trust? He was like, yeah, it was Mossad. And he was telling the story about how every time Mossad comes into the CIA headquarters, they try to drop off some gif that has, like, a bug in it, so the listening device. And every single time, they would catch them. Like, guys, you have to stop bringing these. These bugging devices into our headquarters. And eventually, I think the Mossad is. Is no longer allowed at CIA headquarters because they keep trying to bug our conference rooms, but they have to have.
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A
They have access to our conference rooms. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, do you think that that's. Oh, this was in the past. You mean a. Recently past. Okay, got it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So he was the one who was kind of. He was just saying that. Those were some stories. Yeah.
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B
So I'm like, this is not how an ally should act. Right. Because we're supposed to be partners. Like, why are you trying to bug our. You know, spy on us?
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A
Right, right.
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B
That's one thing. I think Tucker was talking to Ted Cruz. Like, should Israel spy on us? Like, is that something that they should do as an ally? So that's what I'm saying. It's like this relationship is like.
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A
Like a little bit, like, just monitoring their employees.
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B
Yeah. A little bit of an abusive relationship is what is going on. Right, That's. That's kind of how I would view it in like, a. More like, you know, just like a layman said way of putting it is like, I think this is an abusive relationship. They keep kicking us, and then we keep going back to them and, like, saying, please. Well, we'll do better next time and we'll help you. And this and that.
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A
Well, what spurned this? I mean, the thing that spurned this is the, the stuff in Gaza. That's what spurned so much of this. People looking at Israel and being like, what is going on here?
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B
Right. That's why it broke. For the regular American public, I probably was, I was definitely not looking at Israel before. The only weird thing that I saw that kind of got my sort of red flags raised was about a year before that, Israel had killed a journalist, an Al Jazeera journalist who was, I believe, an American Palestinian. And they said, no, it was, they were caught in the line of fire or something like that. But then it later came out that, yeah, they just extra executed her. And I'm like, what's going on here? This is very bizarre. Like, why are they able to just kill journalists without any kind of, you know, international condemnation or anything like that, without any accountability? So there's something weird going on here. And then October 7th happened. And that's when I think everybody started looking and you do one search and like, oh, this is, this is, you know, this is what I mean. Charlie Kirk was one of the first one, like, I think two days after, he was like, this is one of the, you know, why was, why did this even happen? Like, was there a stand down order kind of situation? Like, how are they even able to come across the board? This is one of the most secure borders in the world. How did it take them six hours? He's like, it takes 45 minutes to fly from Jerusalem to the border. Why, why are you, you know, what's going on here? Was there something to then create this excuse to then now launch like a counter offensive, right, Quote, unquote, counter offensive, and basically turn Gaza into rebel.
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And do you think that that's what happened? What do you feel like about it?
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Well, I mean, this is based on my conjecture. Is that, Yeah, I do think that.
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What does conjecture mean?
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Conjecture is like just me sort of coming up with a claim without knowing all the information because of course I'm not in the security briefing or whatever. I'm guessing a little bit.
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But Asian guessing has got to be better than just regular white guessing.
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Yeah, some would say that.
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Like when you guys guess, dude, I bet it's, you know, look, I got,
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I got a pretty good track record of my conjectures. I'll just put it that way. Got it. So there's no other explanation like why, you know, it would at most take one hour for Them to respond. It took them six hours to respond. Doesn't make any sense. So then it's kind of like 9, 11. It's like some. We kind of knew some shit. Like, somebody knew something, right? There was, like, the shorting of the airline stocks. There are people taking insurance out on the building. Somebody knew something in this situation. It seemed like there were people in the Israeli government who knew that this was about to come, and they just kind of let it happen, therefore creating the pretense to then destroy Gaza.
- [72:17]
A
Well, there was. Interesting that there was allegedly plans to, like, build buildings and that sort of thing in Gaza years earlier. I don't know if that's true or not, but I've heard that somewhere. Allegedly.
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That's not the new thing with Jared Kushner and the. The.
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The.
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The new, like, Gaza.
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Well, yeah, it was like, let's do the mall or there we're gonna build a five guys, you know, but who's gonna go eat on top of the.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Haunted burial site of hundreds of thousands of people.
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That's what I'm saying. And it's like, do you really want a vacation there with your family? Would you take your kids? It's like, oh, we're gonna go to, you know, I mean, I guess good real estate, but what if you're playing
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on the beach and there's just a bunch of bones in the same. I'm saying, like, it's, you know, I
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mean, I wouldn't want to go there that way.
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Let's go down some of the rabbit holes, like, because, you know, these are things you like to investigate or get curious about. Let's start with Epstein and the files release. What do you think's happening with the document release? Because it seems very odd, as a regular guy, that we're getting documents. Right. They're coming this years later. Both parties have been in. In Democratic and Republican have been in office since then. Right. More than ever. It seems like both parties are just the same party with a different name.
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B
That's.
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That's.
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B
That's literally my shirt.
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A
Oh, yeah. Different brands, same ingredients. Oh, that's hilarious. So true. Oh, it's almost like that cola Pepsi war a little bit.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Oh, that's great. And so it's just an interesting time. And the names that are redacted aren't the names of the victims. It's just like, there's so much going on there. What. Yeah. What do you think about it?
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Well, I mean, they tried. I mean they, I don't think they thought that these files would ever come out. Neither party really. Yeah, I don't think they thought. I think they were going to bury this forever.
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So you don't think it's a strategic release right now?
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No, I think right now is like this is what we're going to offer because they were forced through that vote that Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna, big credit to them to have the political courage to keep going.
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We had them both on here. Shout out, bro, I will say that shit pull up. But anyway, go on. So take us into some. That. Yeah. What are some of the things that you feel like? Yeah, so. So you don't think it's strategic?
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I don't think. I think this is, this is a.
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So you. So, so you think it's an effect that they didn't want to do.
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B
You didn't want to do this.
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They didn't want to do this.
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And so that's why you have all the names of the perpetrators being redacted, right? They're only supposed to redact the victims names. A lot of the perpetrators names are redacted and now they're forcing them to unredact them. There's a whole process here. But I think this is like here we'll put something out because we're legally compelled to do it by the vote.
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Right?
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It was like pass unanimously. I think there's one person who voted present and because they were forced, you don't want to be on the record voting against disclosure, you know, putting pedophiles in jail. Like you don't want to be that guy or gal. Right. So then they were all forced to vote for it because they got, because they didn't, they did not want that to, to get to the House floor or the Senate, but they had to vote for it because once it was there, you don't want to be voting against it. Like what you're trying to cover up for billionaire pedophiles. You don't want to be on the record doing that. So I think this release was a result of that. And in terms of the Epstein stuff like what we're going to get into, I, I just want to say like there are a lot of people that have looked in the Epstein for decades. Like if you want to bring, do a whole episode Epstein, like you got to bring in somebody like Whitney Webb or Julie Brown. You know, she's from the Miami Herald. She's been coming Epstein since like 2005.
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Yeah, yeah, we're Trying to get her in, actually.
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So I'm just prefacing like, hey, we're gonna look into Epstein stuff. But I want to give credit to, like, those are the people that are, like, the Epstein experts. I'm just the regular dude that. Looking at the files.
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Yeah, they've been digging. You just came to kind of till the soil a little.
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B
Exactly, Exactly. So then one big thing that I wanted to start out looking at was to answer the big question. Do you remember when Cash Patel went in front of Congress and he said, we have zero evidence that Epstein trafficked any young girls to anybody?
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100. Right.
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And everybody was like, what? How is that possible? You were railing about the Epstein files for years, and now you go in and say you found nothing. And so that was one of the first things, like, hey, do we have. Do you want to play that first?
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And this is my boy to Louisiana, right here. Shout out.
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B
You've seen most of the files. Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young, young women to besides himself Himself? There is no credible information.
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None.
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If there were, I would bring the
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case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals.
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B
And the information we have, again, is limited. So the answer is. Is no one. For the information that we have in the files. In the case file. Okay. All right, dude.
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A
I believe. I'm not joking. I. There's people that. That say that they created, like, a fake office and everything for Patel, and we're. And we're only giving him certain information.
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B
Oh, so he didn't see the stuff that was so.
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A
Well, he even. What he said. If you listen there from this limited. He said. Did he say limited stuff I've seen or from what I've seen, which has been limited. So who knows if he even saw everything?
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B
Right. So he's. Well, you're saying that somebody's even hiding something from him. That means that another person above shadow figure. That's right.
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A
Like, he goes into an office and has this perception that everything is a certain way, and it's. He doesn't. It's not. He doesn't know. So then, of course, he's going to show up and he. What he's saying is the truth to him. Right? Because he even said from a limited. What did he say, Nick? For the information that we have.
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B
Well, they have it.
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A
Well, right now he's denoting that. You know, I'm saying from the information that we have, I bet he didn't even see all this stuff.
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B
Well, I bet he saw some of this because the stuff that has been released, some Say it's half. Some say the Channel 4 news in the UK say it's 2% of what the total is. We don't know what the real number is. But so I. So one of the things I want to look at is, is there anything in the, in the files that suggests that Epstein trafficked young girls to other people other than himself? Right. That's a big question that we should all have answered. And I'm not even. Look. So there's, there's within the files, there's the emails, right, Between Epstein and a bunch of other people. But there's also like FBI tip stuff where people are saying, crazy that this is where you see a lot of the Trump stuff is like people calling the tip line saying, I saw Trump do this, I saw Trump do that. So I'm like removing that stuff. I'm just going off the email to say, look, does it look like. And there's one email chain between Epstein and Steve Tish. And Steve Tish is the owner of the New York Giants.
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A
Is he really?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Shout out Jackson dart.
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B
And so go. Go. So let's start at the bottom because this is the. Let's do it in chronological order. Right?
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A
Okay.
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I don't know if you want to read or, or you want me to read.
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You be. I'll be. I don't know who to be. I'll be. I guess I'll be Tish. Okay. All right.
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B
All right, all right. Okay.
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And you be it, Epstein. Yeah, hi, Jeffrey. I just had lunch with your assistant's friend Blank, who I met at your house Wednesday morning. Very sweet girl. Do you know anything about her? Thanks, Steve.
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And then Epstein says no, but I will ask Blank. All confidential. I will get all info. Did you contact the great fake ass tit Blank? She's a character, short term, has an older boyfriend, going to acting school, attend ass. I am happy to have you as a new. But obviously she shared interest friend.
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Thanks, Jeffrey. Curious to know about redacted. I will contact redacted pro or civilian. So that probably means sex worker or just a regular non sex worker. Right.
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B
And. And then the next thing, send me a number to call. I don't like records of these conversations, obviously.
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A
Oh, 310-779-8969. I wonder if I already have it in my phone, dude, if I already have it in my phone, bro. Somebody's going to win a winter coat. That's what we're giving away this year, dude, if they allow us to have it. Is this stupid that I'm looking 709-8969.
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B
If you call, tell them we're live to tape.
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A
Okay. Nope, nothing.
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B
Okay, close call.
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A
Okay, sorry. So then Tish writes 310-779-8969.
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B
I've reached out to blank. She's not on this trip.
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A
Okay, thank you.
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B
Thanks. Yeah, and this is Epstein. Report just in. You did very well. She wants to go to the play. She's a little freaked out by the age difference, but go slow and wait. I will try to convince her not to return to Ukraine. Having her crying worked.
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A
Okay, nice report. Funny comment on crying. So, trying to seem like he's not involved. Totally.
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B
Well, I don't know. It seems like. Okay, so, I mean, it's a little bit disturbing with the crying. It's like, what, What? Why are you having her cry? Like, was it some pressure involved?
- [80:37]
A
Right, but it could have just been that she was upset about something as well.
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B
Could have been, yes. There are, I guess, innocent explanations for this, but at the very least, this looks like he's trafficking somebody to somebody else. Is this the subject line is Ukrainian girl?
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A
Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. So it doesn't say that she's an adult in this. It says that she's younger.
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B
It doesn't say the age.
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A
Got it.
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B
But it says she's young.
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A
Got it. But she says she has a boyfriend at some point too. But that could still be anything. Yeah, I'm not defending. I'm just trying to look at things openly. Okay, so you're saying that this justifies some form of trafficking?
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B
Well, I think it justifies some form of investigation. At the very least, like, you should look into what the hell this was.
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A
Got it. And is it being investigated?
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B
I don't know for sure. I think the NFL hasn't done anything yet. There are people who are journalists writing articles who said this should be looked at. Like, I think Steve Tish, you know, should be investigated because there's probably. Because you imagine this is just an email and then in that email it says, I don't like talking about this over email. So there's probably more conversations that are not document something.
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A
Right?
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
And also, I mean, watch them just end up making them kick off from the five yard line or something like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, things are so merged and weird these days. Who knows?
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B
So I think there's some other. Some other emails that I sent to Zach that was like evidence of this kind of thing.
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A
There were. Can we look at some of those. Here we go. Some other ones here. Yeah, let's look at some other ones here. Organize blank place for you. Blank each girl.
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B
Nice.
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A
Will do.
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B
So this seems like he's organizing some meetup with some women with this redacted person. We don't know who that is.
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A
Got it.
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B
Right. So this is. I feel like this isn't to me from the outside looking in because you're obviously not going to write in there. Yes, I am trafficking young girls to you, ages five to. You know, you're not going to say that. You're going to probably be a little bit more for sure, subtle about it.
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Do you know any girls that are into girls who might be into me? And that's from someone. Epstein going to dancing again starting Tuesday. Let me know if you are in town next week and I'll try to see if some of the girls are interested.
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B
And what does dancing mean?
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A
Any news? Oh, I see. You're saying going to be dancing again starting Thursday.
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B
So to me these are just, you know, cursory searches from a nobody. I'm just like, hey, is there something here? It seems like at the very least there should be some investigation happening. I mean, you're seeing in other countries people are getting arrested. Like Prince Andrew's getting arrested. Lord Mendelson just got arrested.
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A
Lord Mendelson did, yeah. Oh, my God. Who is it?
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B
Who is Lord Mendels? Yeah, he's like some British, you know, Peter Mendelsohn. Pete. Sorry. Yeah, Peter Lord Mendelsohn.
- [83:16]
A
The British are popping off on him, huh? Watch him get Paddington bear for something, dude. He always looked a little suspicious. You know. What are some of the other most suspicious things that you've seen from the Epstein files?
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B
Well, so the other thing that I wanted to look into too was the, the big conspiracy is like, oh, Epstein was running a blackmail operation. He's a spy running a blackmail operation on behalf of Israel. Right? You probably heard that.
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A
Yes. Do you think he was a spy or do you think he was just a guy that was like, you know, obviously perverted pedophile type of dude who was just like, you know, just a bad dude into some dark and had a lot of money?
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B
He was definitely a spy. I mean, if you could pull up, he was issued in the 80s an Austrian passport. So I don't know how you can get an Austrian passport. Well, this is a. Okay, so fake Austrian passport, right? So you have his name. Go, go up there to the top, right? Maurius.
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A
He looks like a. Look at him.
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B
Right? So then how do you get one of these things?
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A
Marius Robert was his name. First of all. That's cultural appropriation. I'm gonna go ahead and say that right now, bro. Shout out all the real Marius is out there. And he said he was Saudi Arabian.
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B
Yeah. This is a real passport that was used. So it's fake in the sense that Epstein obviously was not Austrian.
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A
Right? So he got a passport from somebody.
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B
He got a passport from somebody in the 1980s. And this is before he even met Les Wexner. Okay? And so to me, this is some indication that. Okay, so he maybe was tied up with the State Department or Intelligence. Right. He was an asset of some sort that they wanted to issue this to. So you could travel around Europe using an alias.
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A
Right. There could have been thousand, a hundred different versions of him, and he's one that over time, just worked well enough, you know, that. Or that had enough success. I think that, you know, because with anything you do like a C kind of program, you do like. Let's see. You know. Yeah, let's see what's going on here.
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B
Well, so based on my historical, cursory historical knowledge, this is done by the CIA. So the 1970s, there's a thing called the Church Committee. Have you looked in the Church Committee at all? But that's when all the crazy shit came out with, like, Cointelpro and MK Ultra, where they basically exposed the CIA for all these covert operations. Regime change in the Middle east and Iran, all this stuff came out because prior to the 1970s, the CIA would be just doing this stuff. They were just on CIA records. They're doing this stuff. And then after the Church Committee, they basically had to go through various channels of, like, mobsters or, like, CD characters in order to still continue to do what they do.
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A
I see. But have it off the books.
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B
Have it off the book. So then they. They need guys like Epstein to carry out some of this stuff who's not officially a CIA agent. Before they just had agents.
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A
Was it coming out of Vietnam that that energy just started to change things kind of.
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B
I'm trying.
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A
I'm saying, like, people started to not just believe in what we were doing was good.
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B
I think it was like, the JFK assassination was a big thing, right? Everybody was like, this is really bizarre. Like, how did this happen? There was the bullets that went in these three directions. And then there was, you know, the RFK assassination was also very bizarre. Mlk. If you looked at every single one of those, they're all very weird. I think people started losing trust in The American government. And then on top of that, you had this massive war in Vietnam, like you were saying. So then. Then there was that political will to like, hey, we need to expose similar right now. I think with Epstein, it's like, hey, we need to expose some of these billionaires that are running the country.
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A
Right?
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B
It's gone too far. Right. It's not like, you know, we're supporting Israel, but, like, we're still building nice bridges and we're fixing the roads and the hospitals. It's like, if they did some. I mean, this is a little bit cynical, but if they did some of that stuff, I think people would probably pay less attention to Israel. Like, they'd be like, okay, sure, whatever. Do that over there.
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A
Why don't they do that stuff in addition to it? Then I. To want wonder.
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B
That's the big question. It's like, why. I think it's because everything is. So this is my take going to business school. Just my background is. Everything is so, like, siloed in the sense that you're only thinking about your own company. So it's like, I just want to maximize everything for myself. So they're not really thinking about the collective. Like, hey, if we do this in conjunction with everybody else, like, we could, you know, take over the world. They're just like, everybody's kind of getting their own piece of the pie. They're trying to just get their cut. And there's not. There's like. I think there's, like, less collaboration than people think in terms of the conspiracy world. But there's a lot of various conspiracies out there that are very real. That's my take as a normie. Yeah.
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A
Do you. You mentioned Lex Wexner is the guy's
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B
name, so Les Wexner. So he was the.
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A
Who is he?
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B
He is the billionaire owner of L Brand. So he owned a bunch of retail stores like Victoria's Secret, Abercrombie and Fitch, Bath and Body Works, and he signed over. So this is his. Because everybody. So that's when Epstein, like, went to another level. But then he was actually just deposed because he didn't speak about Epstein for a very, very long time. He always said was, I regret my association with. With Epstein. And he didn't say nothing much. Like, he just recently got deposed by. By the U.S. congress. And he gave this long. I think it was like six hours. But there's some really interesting clips that came out of it because people asked him, like, why did you trust Jeffrey Epstein with all your money? Because he Literally signed over power of attorney of his entire financial estate.
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A
Is that true?
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B
Over to him? Yeah. And people were asking why, you know, what gave you the confidence that you could trust? It's like, did you. Because they're like, did you. How did you meet him? He's like, oh, I was introduced by a friend of mine. And then, so, like, what. What did he tell you that he did to, like, have you give over, basically control of all of your money? And he. And he said that Epstein was working as the. For the Rothschilds, as their money manager. So I'm like, this is even before Wesner Wexner, which is where we think he got all his money. So even before that, somehow Jeffrey Epstein, like a high school math teacher, was. Was working for the Rothschilds. Like, how did that happen?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Which is. Then to me, it's like back to the spy thing. It's like, was he some sort of intelligence asset that was positioned within these, you know, people who are pulling the strings, like powerful families, institutions around the world? That's my hypothesis around it.
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A
Got it. So that's who. So that's who he is. And we don't know any crimes that he did. He's just associated with them. Right. There's no accusations against this Mr. Wexner, is there?
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B
I don't think there's any specific accusation. I do know there's a famous documentary that came out where the CEO of Abercrombie was using Abercrombie to recruit young men into prostitution.
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A
Oh, really?
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B
Yeah.
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A
The CEO was of Abercrombie. Pull that up.
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B
Yeah. Mike Jeffries.
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A
Yeah, let's get a ganner at him.
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B
Mike Jeffries, trafficking. Yeah, right here. Former Abercrombie and Fish CEO charged with operating sex trafficking ring Mike Jeffries, former
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A
CEO of US Clothing company Abercrombie and Fitch, has been arrested for alleged sex trafficking and interstate prostitution following weeks of speculation of allegation of professional misconduct. Jeffrey's romantic partner, Matthew Smith, who is also a man and association, James Jacobson were arrested for alleged role in the enterprise. Huh. Did they ever convict him or was just alleged? I think he's in jail.
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B
I don't.
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A
Let me see. A U. S. Attorney Breon Pierce said, powerful individuals for too long have trafficked and abused for their own sexual pleasure. Young people with few resources.
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B
Is he in jail? I'm very curious. If he's in jail, like, where is he right now? This is a perplexity question.
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A
It is, huh? Leave this open and scroll down for a little bit and go look at perplexity separately. So I can keep reading. I just want to see what they're. It describes sexual bachelors spanning from New York to Morocco in which a recruited men were given drugs, lubricants, condoms, costumes, and sometimes erection inducing penile injections that cause painful hours, long reactions, boners probably.
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B
Oh, I looked it up. He's not in jail. He's set to go on trial. They just found that he's fit to stand trial. This was in December. Oh, they're trying to go with the insanity plea.
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A
Well, I mean, that's not ideal.
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B
I mean.
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A
Yeah, so he's set to go on trial.
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B
So the thing about Wesner Wexner. I keep Les Wexner. Hard to say his name, Les Wexner is that he's also involved in that whole Israeli Zionist, you know, money moving operation from Israel, the United States back and forth to support various Zionist causes. Like he's one of the big funders of the birthright trips to Israel. Right. I don't know how much you know about that, but I've talked to a few people. The purpose of that they're describing like that's another crazy sex party type of thing where they get.
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A
Really?
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B
Yes.
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A
I never heard that. I have heard that.
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B
Yeah, there's this one as well. Epstein. Yes. Israel and the CIA. How the Iran contraples landed at Les Wexner's base. So they're running some kind of CIA operation using Wexner's airport in Ohio. And Jeffrey Epstein was facilitating something within there. Very complicated. But it's like, okay, so these guys are not just normal people.
- [92:18]
A
Got it. So we're saying that that guy's an example of somebody that worked under Lex Wexner, one of his companies.
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B
Well, that Les Weiser hired him to run Abercrombie Advice.
- [92:28]
A
Who's Howard Lutnick? That's a name that you. That you hear a lot.
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B
Well, Howard Lutnick is the commerce Secretary right now.
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A
Okay. The Commerce secretary. United U.S. commerce.
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B
Yes.
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A
Okay.
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B
And he was on record. He gave this whole melodramatic interview where he said he lived right next door to Jeffrey Epstein, by the way. Literally next door. Neighbors 9 and 11. That'll come back later. East 72nd Street.
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9, 11.
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Yeah. So he was right next door to Jeffrey Epstein. And he was asked, you know, what was your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? He said, well, I went over to his house once with my wife. I saw a massage table on the counter. I turned, I was like, oh, what is this disgusting, man? And we left immediately. We never spoke to him. I was never in another room with him ever again because this is a disgusting human being. And then the emails come out and there's like all kinds of correspondences with, with Jeffrey Epstein about like visiting the island. There's emails about them investing in a company together. So they were very much closer than he let on then. Let on. Yeah. So he just basically straight up bold faced lie to the American people.
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So is he being held on charges or anything?
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No, but he should be held on charges for another thing, which he just did the other day, which is, you know, the Trump tariffs, they just voted against him.
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SCOTUS just voted against him. Right.
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So that he was out there publicly telling the American people prior to SCOTUS voting saying, oh yeah, I think SCOTUS will side with President Trump on this one. But his firm that's run by his sons now was like shorting these tariffs. Basically they're buying insurance against the tariffs.
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Where were they doing that? Like on some of these like poly market sites and stuff like that?
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No, it's through some kind of financial instrument that's way more complex than I can probably explain.
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A
Wow. So Howard Ludnick's family firm bought up the rights to tariff refunds for 20 to 30 cents on the dollar after Liberation Day last year. Today the Supreme Court struck the tariffs down for every hundred dollars invested. Lutnick sons just made 3 to 5x. Welcome to crony corruption, America.
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So that's like inside, that's just classic insider trading. He's basically, he probably knew that they weren't gonna.
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Right.
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But he says that, he says on TV saying, oh no, I think they're gonna side with him.
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Allegedly.
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Allegedly. Yes. Well, well, yes. I don't feel like I use that word enough today. So if, you know. But he, there's another connection with him and 9 11.
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So he was profiting off of Trump's tariffs.
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Yes.
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Right. So then allegedly he would have known then that the Supreme Court was going to do that.
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And then so he's trade. So basically he's creating buzz in one direction, but then he's trading in the opposite direction.
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Right.
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Because if he felt that they were going to vote in favor of President Trump, why would he be executing the trades on the opposite side?
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Right.
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Doesn't make sense.
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Unless it doesn't make sense. Right.
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So that's classic insider trading.
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Yeah. That's the thing about like so many people like look at the leaky foss and they're like, who's causing this leaky faucet? But what they don't Realize is the true player is the. Or the people that bought the stream up.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Up from the city, up from the water department. And they're doing things there that eventually, years later, will cause the leaky faucet. And they've set up all these businesses and things along the way. Like some people don't realize the strategy. Sometimes it goes into things. Right, Absolutely.
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B
Well, he is the. So there's. There's some crazy. We got to get into it because he is the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald, which is. They were the tenant of, you know, I think floor 105 to 107, the World Trade center building.
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Okay.
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And he did not go to work that day because his wife, this is Trump, said this last week. There's a clip of him like, hey, your wife begged you not to go to work that day. You never missed a day of work in 20 years. Aren't you glad that you didn't go to work? That. So he, like most of his employees died and then he did this whole thing where I don't know if you want to play this clip or I could just talk through some of the stuff where he basically took all the insurance. So they. The company was paid insurance money from the airlines and then he pocketed most of that money instead of giving it to the employees. Yes.
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A
Really?
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Then you get past, okay, so it's like, did he know something like what was going. So play this clip, though. The clip that I sent Zach. There's a lady like, how he got his home right next to Epstein. It's insane.
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Tell me, what are the odds that the notary to the deed of what was both Epstein and Howard Ludnick's property at 11 E. 71st St. Because, yes, Epstein owned that property before Letnick owned that property, it was transferred to Epstein for just $10 in 1992. Epstein passed the deed to a comet trust in 1996 again for just $10, of which a Guido Goldman was a trustee, the son of one of the founders of the World Jewish Congress. And then it was passed to Lutnick in 1996 for again, just $10, who notarized the deed transferring this property from Jeffrey Epstein to the Comet Trust in 1996. A Gary Pollard. A Gary Pollard just so happened to be in the perfect spot at the perfect time to record the perfect shot of the south tower collapsing on September 11, 2001. Is it just a weird coincidence that Jeffrey Epstein and Howard Lutnick owned 911 E. 71st St. Oh, wow.
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B
I mean, kudos to Her. She's like digging up like documents.
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Yeah. She's petting a cat too. At the same time.
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B
Yeah.
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Which heavily reminds you of the person from Inspector Gadget. Remember that guy?
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B
Well, I. I've never seen an inspector.
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Was it Inspector Gadget the bad guy or the person who was like the dark guy would always be petting the cat?
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B
Dr. Claw. Yeah.
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A
So what was she saying there exactly? Just to sum it up, I think
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B
what she's insinuating there is that there's some kind of foreknowledge of 911 that these things that. But how did Lutnick even get this property in the first place? Right next to Jeffrey Epstein. There's some kind of collusive action taking place here. There's something shady happening behind the scenes, obviously. All coincidences, as she's saying.
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Yeah.
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But it should be examined a little bit further, especially with the context that if you looked somebody. Somebody like did time stamps and all the emails that were in the Epstein files and there's like a huge chunk that's like missing between 1999 and 2001 that's like. Like all not there. So it's like was something. And Galain Maxwell's also asked to be on the 911 shadow commission. Like why was she asked to be on the 911 shadow commission? Like did she snow some stuff? Like she was reached out to. She said no. So like it seemed like they knew that. Yeah. Here it is.
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This is from at Chris Martinson. It's just a complete coincidence that the DOJ has completely withheld all the Epstein documents immediately before, during and after 9 11. Is that right? Wow. The Gap. 25,000 missing serial numbers. I mean, how much do you believe? We. We talked about this a little bit earlier like that some things feel like theater. Right. It almost feels like. Like you hear all these things that. Like the. The. The Simpsons and they predicted this. And every week now it's like it was written here and it. Look at this.
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B
Yeah.
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Do you believe. And then it starts to like, what do you believe about that? Like, how much of the like stuff like this, like they lived at 9 and 11 in this next door. Do you think any of that's real or we're all just reading into this stuff. Have you seen enough things where you're like, there could be something here?
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B
I think so.
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A
Okay.
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B
So I think some of it is coincidence, but some of it is like predictive programming and that they want. So for example, the Top Gun example, I would say is they want the American public Comfortable with this kind of attack, this style of attack. It's going to be awesome. Look how great the firefighters are. Not the. The fighter jet pilots are going in, bombing the uranium site, pulling out. Great stunt.
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A
So that Top Gun was in Iran. That's where that happened. It was a uranium site in Iran.
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B
That was. Yeah.
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A
You're saying, let's put it in a movie before we do it so that it'll feel more comfortable to people.
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B
Exactly. So some of that stuff, I think, is predictive programming where they do that. Some of the stuff is coincidence. And then some of the stuff, I think is like, full psyop stuff where they try to get you distracted with another issue so they can maybe brush this real stuff. Because I do believe the Epstein stuff is real stuff. Like, this is like, there's real crimes taken place behind the scenes. Like, people should be investigated, all that stuff. So for. I'll give you an example which may be controversial, maybe not, but, like, for example, I think the ICE riots are a little bit of a psyop.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, that stuff is. I don't know how many, you know, how much you've talked about that, but, like, I think it's purposely created to be a divisive issue.
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A
It reminds me of the stuff of the Portland, like, in the park. There's antifa in the park riots and stuff. You had Renaissance Fair people battling Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders activist and some of that. And it was like, what the hell is even, you know, A Star wars vs Game of Thrones characters? Someone. We're like, what is even happening here? I could see some of that because there was. There's videos of them, like, finding a guy who, like, started up, like, put, like, a Molotov cocktail on the street or something, and they follow him. They're like, who are, you know, interviewing. And the guys, like, obviously was just stopping by to do this. Not really involved. I could. I think there's more of that that happens than we even know. Right. I think a lot of the videos you see, like, oh, look at this. This seems real. But you don't realize somebody could stage that, put the video out, or it could be AI and you don't even know. Right.
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B
And they particularly pick this issue where there's like, no, it's not gonna be any agreement, because immigration is one of those issues, like abortion. There's really not a right answer. It's, like, based on your morality. Like, some, you know, like, some countries are great. Like, Japan's great because they're all Japanese. They have their own Customs and cultures really cool. Or Scotland or whatever. America just happens to be, like, kind of a melting pot. That's kind of what we're known for. But there's no, like, right answer to the amount of immigration you should have. So they pick this issue that nobody can really come together on, right? And then they send people on the streets. Because I'm, like, thinking, why aren't you sending people on the streets for, like, Epstein, Why are you sending people on the streets for, like, spraying pesticides in all our food? Why is that? Because that's a unifying issue. People will actually demand something out. This is, like, there's no answer. Because you could look at the same video this happened with the Renee Goode and the other guy, Alex Preddy, right? People look in the same video, and they're seeing different things, and they're like, oh, perfect, let's amplify this more. Let's send more people out there. And now also, they create. Because I think this. There's something weird happening here where I don't think Trump is that serious about deporting people because there's, like, a business interest in, like, keeping them here because you have, like, depressed wages. A lot of them work in hospitality. A lot of them work in farm. And Trump said, oh, those are exempt. Like, well, those are where all the. Those are where a lot of illegal immigrants are at. So why aren't you doing that? Well, because your donors don't want you to do that. So then you create this nice show for people, a show of force on the streets. I think the MAGA people really love the ICE agents going out there and having that presence. It gets them fired up. And then on the other side, then the Democrats are sending their people on the streets, and all of a sudden, both sides have created sort of a. A pretense to, like, now we got to surveil people. We got to do a police state. And so you get the best of everything. You get. You still get the indentured slavery for the. For the corporations. Now you have chaos in the streets. So then you could bring about, like, the Palantir mass surveillance.
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That's what's heading. Yes, that's the big thing. I say. Yeah, for me, I believe that even. Even, like. Well, it's also funny that one political party lets a ton of people in the next one.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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And they're the bad guys. And then the next political party is. They're the ones who are trying to get everybody out, and they're the. They're the bad guys. Right. It's like, don't you see that though we're just watching the show? Like don't you realize at a certain point you're just watching.
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B
That's what I've been trying to get people to wake up. I've been on for the ICE thing because I have. Because my audience is like pretty split because I, A lot of times I focus just on corruption and just you know, this guy is doing something bad. I don't really do like party politics and stuff like that. So I have people on both sides depending on the issue. Because I went hard at the COVID issue which is like a right leaning issue. Right against the vaccines. I'm like these pharmaceutical companies very corrupt and that's a right leaning issue. But then there's other issues that like people side with more on the left which is like the pro Palestine stuff, anti Israel, that's like more of a left issue. So then in the. And so then whenever I comment on something that's like really I think divisive, like I get hate on both sides. I've been called like a communist and you know, also like a libtard to like good right wing Nazi like every.
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A
But if you're getting called both things, probably doing, doing a good job.
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B
So I've been called everything like a CCP spy, which obviously you know, you
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A
know, I've been called a couple times and wigger. Well so you know.
- [104:45]
B
Well, I think once you're in the game long enough you, it's not, it's not possible to not be hated by somebody.
- [104:51]
A
Yeah, I think it's like, yeah, then you're probably doing something right. I feel like, you know, and you just have to do your best. It's like you don't know what the
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B
you're doing but neither do those guys that have wearing the suits and everything. That's my thing. It's like those guys don't know what the they're doing either. They just look like they know what they're doing and I'm very open. It's like, hey, I'm just giving you guys. I see like I'm, I'm reading one chapter ahead. My job is to like inform you of what I found and then you could take that for what it's. Well, I mean that's like, I think that's the tie back to what we talked about in the beginning. It's like that's the role of a teacher is like I'm trying to just give you information and then I hopefully that inspires you to do something that you want to do, right? A teacher's not supposed to say, hey, you need to become X, Y and Z in your life. It's to give you information to then sort of let you then go out there and explore the world, like inspire you something else.
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A
That's what I get from your content. It's just like, you know, when I see stuff, it's like, that's interesting, you know, or that, hmm, that's curious, you know, I think I just get a curiosity about it. And, and this is kind of one of the first times where media has been open to be able to kind of say what they want. Like media has been vastly kind of controlled by a couple of corporations over the past last, what, 50 years, 100 years maybe?
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B
Yeah. And you're going to see a co opting, they're going to try to co opt people like myself. I'm already seeing it happen, right, because they now they can get people to say exactly what they've said in mainstream media, but then through the lens of like a tick tocker who's just wearing regular clothes. So you're going to see that battle, like an information warfare will continue. And then, so that's why for me, I've always stayed very, very, you know, diligent about making sure that I'm not taking money for anybody that I don't want to. You know, like, I'm basically fully independent. I want to say that's why I got in the game. Like I could have made a lot more money doing consulting work that was easy, you know, straightforward. But here, you know, I'm just hopefully here on like more of like a spiritual mission, you know.
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A
Yeah, well, I think, I mean you want to live like if, if Earth exists and we're all going to live here and America was this thing that you believe in or that you knew your grandparents believe in. A lot of people are like, you know, I'm trying to believe in what America stands for, the best parts of it, the most moral parts of it, or that being a human stands for. Because like, you know, I had a family member that died for these goals, right? A family member that, you know, who sacrificed their life to work here in this country under these rules so that I could go to school in a place that was, you know, free Democrat. You know, it's like, I think people just want to have a life. They want to have a chance to live and their children to do so. And if you start to think that there's all these dark controlling forces out there, which mostly are probably elites and people that are, like, extreme capitalists or power hungry. That's very scary. And you start to realize, oh, there is a. There's a battle of good and evil at a certain point. Absolutely. You know, and that we're in that. Maybe, you know, sometimes you don't want to think, like, hey, maybe I'm a character in something, you know, but maybe you are. You know, maybe this is a battle of good and evil, and you are. You are supposed to have a role in it. Not, you know, you and everybody. You know, it's like sometimes we sit at home, we're like, man, I wish I'd have been picked to be, like, a hero or something. It's like, maybe you got to tap yourself on the shoulder. You know what I'm saying? Because I do feel like life is a bad. I do feel like there's. There's good and evil in the world right now, and I don't know how it plays out, but it feels scary and it feels alarming, and I just feel like a lot of people. People feel that.
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B
Yeah. I mean, I. The. The. I completely agree with you, and I would. I just, you know, to kind of spin it on a positive note. There's a lot of times through history, I don't think we're living through, like, the worst of times by any stretch of the imagination. I think. I think it could feel that way sometimes with maybe social media and things
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A
like that at all.
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B
Right. But. But I think there, even in dark times, like, people really struggling out there, I think there definitely can be happiness found in dark times.
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A
Oh, yeah. Chocolate. Look at that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
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B
There you go. So.
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A
Well, I noticed for sure. It's like, if I need to, like, if I want to get my head out of, like, some of the rabbit holes, because your algorithm will take you down some crazy. It'll take you down some spots where it just repeats information, and you can feel little bits of indoctrination coming. You know, you feel the. You smell a little indoctrination smoke. Sometimes you're like, I gotta quit doing this. But if you separate yourself from your phone sometimes and any. And any of the things that are kind of edgier in the world or darker in the world, then things get light again pretty quick, I feel like.
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B
I think so. I mean, yeah, you have to, like, step away from this kind of stuff from time to time. It's like you know your own body better than everybody else. If you think you need to turn it Off. You got to turn it off. And that's why I try to do that with some of my content is like the, the natural path, if you start looking down these, like, conspiracies to get darker and darker and darker. And some people are okay with that. For me, it's like, I still want to provide videos for people where they could still take action. Right? Because some of those things, like, okay, some, some. There's some, like, dark lizard family that's running, you know, running the world. Like, there's nothing you could really do about that. But if I give you information on, like, hey, Amazon, ring cameras are like, spying on your family through this whole dog thing that at the super bowl, like, you should probably get rid of your ring camera. That's something that you can actually do. It's like, I don't want to be a part of that ring camera thing. So.
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A
Do you feel like they're doing that?
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B
Yeah, they are. They will. They. They were connected with, to the, to that company Flock, which is giving the, the footage. Exactly. To the police. And they thought the dog video would work. They honestly did, because I looked into it and they thought the dog video was a good video. There was this whole PR campaign pre super bowl. But then people saw that weird thing in the super bowl with all the lights going out. It's like, whoa, hold on a second. And they said, 10 million dogs are lost a year. This is going to find 300 dogs a year of like 300 out of 10 million dogs.
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That.
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I don't think that's a worthy trade off.
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A
Right. It seems like a scam.
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It seems like a scam. So then that is a. Videos like that, that video went decently viral. And I think that's something that people can, can gravitate to because they can actually do something about that.
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A
Right.
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And that's why, like, I'm trying to play sort of a line with my editorialization which, yeah, some videos are going to be about more of the conspiracy digs, but some of it's going to be things that you can do something about. Right. It's like, what? Banks are good, one, banks are bad. You can choose your bank.
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A
Right?
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B
Right. You can't choose, like, you know, whether we're going to bomb Iran tomorrow or not. That's something that's totally out of your control.
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A
Right? Yeah, I agree. And like, keeping stuff that's in your control. What is a good bank, man?
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B
What is a good bank? I mean, I'm not. I mean, I, I don't. I mean, local bank Honestly, like credit unions that are in your local community, like, small regional banks are probably the best banks because they still, they're tied to the community. They're not some kind of giant conglomerate like JP Morgan Chase, bank of America, that kind of thing. So that's what I would look for in terms of like, who you should go. There's some like, new fintech stuff. I'm making a video about this company named Chime, which has been sponsoring a lot of content creators that are like, you know, the ones that are all about like giving money. They find some homeless person, they're like, oh, let me, you know, help you out for the day, that kind of thing. Like really like heartwarming content. But it's like sponsored by Chime, which is like pretty nefarious. I don't have all the information quite yet because I'm still starting to dig. But it's like, oh, this is. Seems like kind of a semi scam that you're running here. But then you're, you're advertising through all these good content creators that are making heartwarming content. So it seems like, like that's kind of, you know, there's a little bit of sussness to that.
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A
Well, maybe trying to rebrand themselves too, you know.
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B
Well, it's new. It's a fintech, It's a new company.
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A
Interesting.
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B
So that's something I'm still digging into, allegedly. You know, I'm not, not insinuating that they've committed crimes or anything like that, but I just think that people, those are things that people should know. It's like, oh, because they could see that video and like, oh, I should sign up for Chime to do my banking.
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A
Right.
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B
But then they could be, can take taken advantage of because they're not under the regular, you know, FDIC protection, all the regular banking authorities, because they're outside of that.
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A
Got it.
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B
So that's, that's the kind of stuff, it's like a bit of a balance for me of, of digging into conspiracies, digging. So I'm like a very much like a generalist in that sense of like, maybe it's just like my brain, like add, ADHD kind of thing. I'm not diagnosed or anything like that. But I, I see something, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do that for a little bit. And then I'm like, oh, I gotta stay on this. But then something else has caught my eye. So that's a little bit of a weakness of mine, but also could be a strength in That I do videos about lot, a lot of different things.
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A
Yeah, well, I think we got to have a gopher. You gotta have something that goes in there and digs over here and like, you know, he chews on this vegetable linen, goes over there for a radish and then goes underground and looks at the roots. You know, I think that that's, that's something we need more than ever. And it's, and it's interesting and, and it's just freelance. It's like, you know, you're trying your best to work in freelance. 5149, that's your podcast. How often is it out and do you still have, you have a co host on it?
- [113:06]
B
So. Yeah, so I do a show called 5149. That's when I do more of like the investigative digs on my YouTube channel.
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A
Okay.
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B
And I also host a show called the Todayish Podcast with my co host Danny Love. And we, that's sort of like more of like a fun podcast where we're just having conversations about like what went on during the week. She's like much more of like a tin head than I am. So she's, you know, I'm having a conversation, I'm like talking about Peter Thiel Palantir, you know, they're taking over, you know, surveillance. And then she'd be like, like, I think Peter Thiel's a lizard.
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Right.
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And I'm like, okay, all right, cool. So then, so she, she gets a little bit more weird than I do. But it's like a fun dynamic with like you're, we're trying to give you like important stuff but like packaged in more of like a fun and light hearted way. So I also do that show called the Today. So that's more of like a two hour live podcast that we do every single week. And then if you want the digs, that's on my channel 5149. James Lee. You could also find me on Instagram still, as well as Facebook. Rip to the tick tock.
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A
They won't get you back on there, huh?
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B
No, not, not, not as of right now. I think they're, they're fully under the, the Israeli regime at the moment.
- [114:07]
A
You think so, huh?
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B
Yeah, I know.
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A
Yeah, A lot of our stuff got shadow banned on there. It seems like we've had stuff go down.
- [114:11]
B
But you can't, they can't ban you because you're so big. Right? Because me, I was, you know, I think I was around 300,000 followers. So I Was like, my. Some of my videos would be popping off into the millions, but I'm not so big. It's like, oh, James Lee is. Is deleted. Like, there's going to be a huge outroar. Like, if you got deleted off of Tick Tock, there'd probably be a huge, huge backlash. So I'm in that per. Like, perfect place. Like, let's get rid of this guy because he has enough influence. It's pissing us off. But he's not so big that we. They find other ways to deal with, I think, bigger people. Like, from I heard this guy, Guy Christensen, he goes by your favorite guy on Tick Tock. So they basically said they just demonetize him or they'll do, like, weird shadow banning stuff where he still has his account, but they limit the reach in other ways.
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Yeah, yeah, I think that. That happens, man. I think it happens a lot. James Lee, thanks for coming in, man. I'm sorry we got caught up on time. You know, I got to get to the airport, so that's reason why we're kind of caught up on time.
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B
Thank you for, you know, giving me a chance to, like, speak.
- [115:05]
A
Yeah, dude. Well, it's a little truth.
- [115:06]
B
Things like that or my truth, at the very least. I'm just trying to. I mean, ultimately, I'm just trying to. To hopefully provide, like, a voice out there that people, you know, can maybe turn to. Maybe they don't like me, then you can go watch something else, but, like, at least provide that media alternative to what's going on with the world, you know?
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A
Yeah. Well, we've always been able to be curious. I mean, it would be wild if we couldn't be. And I think more than ever, it's like. Yeah, there's. Yeah. People are trying to figure things out and just want to feel okay, you know? James Lee, thank you so much, man. How we doing, brother? Rolling like these leaves I must be cornerstone oh but when I reach that
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ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in
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my bones but it's gonna take.