A (2:20)

Yeah.

B (2:21)

Yeah. It's a nice reward at the end. Like lemon gives you a punch in the face. Ginger does something similar.

A (2:26)

Yeah. Maybe I'll throw one in the old.

B (2:27)

You feel better after doing it though?

A (2:29)

I just feel like I'm on, on. I have a plan and then I'm sticking to it.

B (2:33)

So much of life is like that. I feel like kind of doesn't matter if it works, but like it's like a thing. It's structured, planned, kind of does the thing.

A (2:40)

Yeah. Well, it starts to give me a little bit, like, of integrity with myself, you know, and it becomes kind of a pattern. That's been one of the toughest things, I think, for me, and I would guess probably for most people is just starting a pattern sometimes, you know?

B (2:52)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (2:52)

I feel like that's kind of been one of the things then.

B (2:54)

It keeps you from the negative patterns.

A (2:56)

Yeah, well, it's like, well, if I know if I have this to do tomorrow and it's a positive thing, then sometimes it's like if there's something negative the night before or someone, I'm like, I can't do it. I already have a commitment, you know.

B (3:07)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (3:08)

But it has been tough. I go in sports where sometimes it's. It's better than others, but honoring, like, commitments to myself, having that in, you know, and just building that integrity that I know I'm going to be here for myself every day. Yeah, that's been a challenge for me. It's. It's gotten better over time, but it's been a. That's been probably one of my tougher things, I would imagine it might be for most. For a lot of folks.

B (3:30)

Yeah. Like. Like the disconnect between, like, what you want to do and then what you actually do.

A (3:35)

Yeah.

B (3:35)

Which is like the. The human condition, like, what our existence is defined by and like, how. How big is that divide probably determines if you're happy or not in life.

A (3:44)

Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, that's one of the things that I think about the most, is how far away am I from what I would like to be doing, what my behaviors would like to be.

B (3:53)

Yeah. Where are you at now in life? Like, I mean, you've gone through various stages. How would you assess now?

A (4:00)

I think, like, with work. Work and things like that have been good. You know, that stuff has been good. I think, you know, on the set, on the wellness side of, like, probably emotional wellness, you know, I've suffered with, like. Or I've dealt with, like, a lot of, like, connectivity disorders, like, relationship stuff, commitment, you know, like, probably wishing I was making better choices with my, like, dating and social life at times. And, you know, sometimes if someone will show interest, I'll kind of. I'll have to see what's there, where it's. Sometimes if I know, it's not even a good fit, you know, so. So that's probably been one of the tougher things, has probably been My emotional addictive behavior.

B (4:48)

Yeah, Yeah. I guess I'm newly in a partnership. The best relationship of my life, really. We've been together for a couple years now, and, man, it is like. I mean, it is the single thing in life that makes me more happy than anything. You know, like, relationships are so tough, and especially when. When they tip to acrimony.

A (5:12)

What does acrimony mean?

B (5:13)

Just, like, when it's a negative state. You know, when there's, like, bickering and, like, finding fault and trying to correct and the inability to resolve conflict when there's a negative vibe and it just kind of persists in this low level where it's always unsettled. There's just nothing worse. And I mean, that's true in business relationships. It's true in personal relationships, friendships, all kinds of. And, like, what I have now is just so good.

A (5:41)

Let's go.

B (5:41)

Yeah, yeah. So I feel you. And without. I mean, it's tough to be alone, you know, it's tough to be, like, trying to date, build relationships and not work out and go to the next one. It's tiring to, like, repeat that again and again.

A (5:56)

Yeah, yeah, I think that is. That's. That's definitely true. And then it's like you start to compartmentalize things. Okay, well, I'll just go on a date here or I'll just, you know, have this part of my relationship or intimacy here, and it's like, you know, and that's not. That's not the healthiest way to operate either, but congratulations. Yeah, they just showed your lady right there.

B (6:18)

Yeah, it's Kate Tolo.

A (6:20)

Oh, beautiful lady, man. Congratulations. You guys are both smiling in that picture.

B (6:24)

Oh, man, we. We have so much fun together. I mean, we. It's like. I get teary just even talking about it. We laugh. Play is just so good.

A (6:34)

Yes. She really does something for you, huh?

B (6:35)

She does, man. Like, you know, like, I was. I wrote this up online. I was thinking, I'm a big fan of Ernest Shackleton and he was just a. The explorer. Yeah, exactly. So he did the Trans Antarctic expedition. He was trying to go shore to shore for the first time. So from top to bottom, just down to the South Pole, from, like, one side to the other side.

A (6:57)

Okay. Just at the South Pole.

B (6:59)

Yeah. So they got. Got the ship all prepared. They got all their materials. Like, enough food and materials for the entire duration. They get stuck in the ice before they even get there. Early winter. And then the entire book is about this insane survival story, like, what they went through and Not a single man in his crew died. But when you read what he went through, it's just unimaginable that they were able to endure these kinds of things. And I know this is like, it's a too dramatic of a comparison, but there was some similarities. I was thinking before, like, what does it feel like to not have deep companionship in my life where I've had relationships and they weren't good. Right. They ended up being bad and then having something that is good. It felt like, I'm sure, what Shackleton and his crew felt like putting their feet on land after being adrift in the ocean for, you know, I don't know what the total duration of times, maybe a year, but just like stable, sturdy, solid, you know, instead of like, what's happening today, what do I have to deal with? Is my life at risk? Like just all the emotional whiplash you get and like challenges and when you're by yourself, it's also harder to self regulate. It's harder to calm yourself down. It's nice when someone else is there to kind of be like a. Oh, get a hug. Yeah, 100%. Oh, that's so true.

A (8:16)

The other day I was, I saw my friend in, in LA and I got a hug and she just kind of gave me like a, she gave me a nice hug and then I was like, I'm gonna stay in this hug.

B (8:28)

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. So like, was she like a 10 out of 10 hugger?

A (8:32)

She, you know what, she surprised me because. But yeah, she got, she got a good hug on her, that's for sure.

B (8:38)

You know, some people are just like gifted huggers. They. Right. They just know how to like bring it in and like somehow the arms and the chest and like the whole thing just fits like a puzzle piece.

A (8:47)

Yeah. Like even, like a lot of times. Yeah. We talked about before, like a grandmother will hug you so. Well, sometimes. Yeah, I've, like, I've always kind of, I guess, been that I'll do the one arm hug. I hug a lot, though. I hug a lot. I think sometimes it catches people off guard.

B (9:00)

People like, what's going on, man? Yeah.

A (9:02)

I don't know if you're supposed to hug this person, but open up a hug bank. You know what they should do?

B (9:08)

Yeah.

A (9:08)

Those places where they had payphones before, they should have somebody stand there, put a quarter in their pocket and they got a hug.

B (9:15)

You know, it's like one of the most underappreciated things.

A (9:17)

Yes. Relaunch the hug. I think they got. Well I think we're ready for it. Brian Johnson. Thanks for coming in, man. Nice to meet you, bro.

B (9:26)

Yeah, it's good to see you.

A (9:27)

It's a pleasure, dude. I think you're different than maybe what I seem like you. I thought you would seem a little bit more like a robot, you know,

B (9:35)

I get that so much. I mean, I've had several people think, you know, approach me, like, are you AI, you know, like, like really believing that's the case. So I think I am robotic. I think I'm somewhere neurodivergent in some areas. So I think people are just confused by me generally. So I understand that.

A (9:53)

Like, yeah, that was my thought, but it. You seemed way more normal than that. Like just like a regular dude who's been like, you know, doing wild shit with his blood, you know, like, you seem just more like a. Like a chill ass kind of Dracula type of.

B (10:08)

What was your. What did you expect?

A (10:10)

I think I expected somebody that seemed to be honest, to have like more of a sense of. And this is just a wild generalization, and this is probably not the best word, but more of like an autism to them.

B (10:21)

Yeah.

A (10:21)

And I don't. Yeah, I didn't get that at all. Just got like a warm guy who seems like a lot more engaging than other people I've met who I've thought similar things about.

B (10:30)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just, it's just hiding. It will manifest in a few minutes.

A (10:35)

That's what I would say there. But it starts to bubble up.

B (10:38)

That's right.

A (10:38)

When your keeper, whoever's operating you on. On the app.

B (10:41)

That's right. Yeah, yeah.

A (10:43)

Turns up.

B (10:43)

Yeah. And the mask slowly starts slipping. It's like.

A (10:47)

Oh, yeah, like your database is showing, dude or something.

B (10:49)

Yeah, exactly.

A (10:51)

So just so our viewers know, and so many people know about you now, man, there's so many clips you out there. You've kind of. You're kind of this astronaut that hasn't left the planet in a way, kind of. Because it's like, you know, you're kind of using yourself as an experiment. That's what it seems. You know, you're life maxing. That's what people say. Can you just explain to us kind of what your general sort of goal is or what your motive has been?

B (11:15)

Yeah. So I'd say here's an example for you in. In 1870, the big talk of the town was there was this divide over this guy who had ideas that the reason.

A (11:27)

Ideas?

B (11:27)

Yeah, the reason why people were getting sick and dying is because of these Microscopic objects called bacteria. And half the town was like, that's stupid as fuck. What are you talking about? The other half was like, honestly, that could be legit now. Like they didn't have the ability to see these microscopic objects. Turned out it's true. These microscopic objects are called bacteria, right? They can cause infection. So if you don't wash your hands in between surgery or when you're maintaining hygiene practices, you get infection and increase your risk of dying. And so that's the kind of example where a new idea showed up. It was seen as crazy and eventually it turned out to be true. And now today we're like, oh, of

A (12:07)

course, that happens every year.

B (12:09)

Every year, yeah, exactly. And so the idea I'm basically suggesting to the world is that we've reached a point of humans on the planet where we may not die. Now that sounds batshit crazy.

A (12:22)

Whereas in, we can live forever.

B (12:24)

Not even forever, right? Cause it's kind of a concept we understand. It's just that we might be able to extend our lifespans to horizons where we can't really imagine. For example, like 150, 200, 500, a thousand, like some number we don't even know that breaks our brains. So it's just not like a 70 year expectancy, right? It's something much longer. And it could be the case that as our lifespans are extended, they get longer and longer and longer and longer and we can't quite see the end horizon. So that's what I'm suggesting is we are at that point, with technology, we may be the first generations of humans who don't die. Now, if that's the case, everything changes. And so that's what I've been trying to do is to say, if that is the case, how does a human behave? What do they do? And so that's the whole. That's why it's so controversial is because you take status quo and it's like, if we're all gonna die anyways, well bro, you might as well, right? Like do all the stuff people do today, right?

A (13:22)

Drink PBR or whatever. Floor it, you know, send it.

B (13:26)

Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.

A (13:27)

Knock up some woman or man, now I think you can even knock up. You're like, what's happening? Yeah, but I see what you're saying. So like if you, if say if got to the finish line and they're like, oh, you can't cross the finish line anymore. You're like, oh, if I'd have known that, I would have ran the race.

B (13:40)

Exactly, right.

A (13:40)

So differently.

B (13:41)

Exactly or back in.

A (13:43)

I would have taken my time along the race. Instead, now I'm just standing there at the finish line, decrepit or, like, with, you know, just, like, aftermarket pieces and stuff.

B (13:51)

Yeah.

A (13:52)

And. And I would have done it differently.

B (13:53)

That's right. So, like, right now, like, you basically, if everybody dies, then you're playing a game of yolo. And so then your game of YOLO is like, okay, what am I willing to. Well, I'm willing to trade life for what? And so, for example, in the world I came from, entrepreneurship, the playbook is you don't sleep, you don't take care of your health, you run yourself ragged. You try very hard to make a whole bunch of money, but in doing that, you burn yourself to a crisp. Yeah, right. And then you end up. And you're, like, fat. You're, like, 40 years older than when you started.

A (14:23)

Your family's falling apart. You're a crisp, or you don't have one.

B (14:26)

Exactly. But you're just burnt to a crisp. That's what happened to me. And so you basically say, I'm willing to trade life for this money, because there's this idea of if you have money, then you get blank. And so you're making this explicit trade off. I'm willing to trade my conscious existence for money. And I'm saying that trade no longer makes sense. It no longer makes sense to die for something like that. Now, we all have, like, practical things. We need to pay our bills and stuff like that. But I'm trying to basically say we're a society that has built a society of Daisy. And I'm working on don't die as the new way of being human. So that's, like, the gist of it.

A (15:02)

But do you think it's easier to say that once you have some money and once you have like, a. You know, you have a place where you're like, okay, you know, I know that I'm gonna be okay. Like, it's like, do you think you would have been able to switch that mindset before having. Cause I know you had a company and you guys sold it for, you know, a great deal of money and congratulations.

B (15:19)

Thanks.

A (15:20)

And, yeah. And that's the American dream, you know? But do you think you would have been able to have that same mindset before? Because that mindset before is like, yeah, grind. Get this money, Everything will be good. And it kind of is nice in some ways because there's a goal there. Yeah. Do you think you could have had it before, or is it easier to have now?

B (15:37)

Yeah, I mean there's, there's two parts to this. One is, I'm saying that like fast food companies like McDonald's and Wendy's, they're evil. They, they use science to make food that addicts you to their food, right? They're building addiction for sure. Social media algorithms, they're building addiction, right? Vape, porn, alcohol, smoking. Like, basically as a society we have a predator prey relationship where companies prey upon individuals with the best science and technology possible and extract from them life for profit. And so first of all, the observation I'm saying is, hey, companies, stop being evil. Like, don't use your powers to make people addicted, to make them, you know, to take their life from them. And then two is, it's, I don't want to blame people because I know that's, it's easy for me to say this once I've been on the other side. So one, I'm just trying to say like, hey, this is fucked up. Number two is I try to be a really positive role in people's lives. To say, like, if you're ambitious and you do want to make a whole bunch of money, for example, here's a playbook, right? Like the idea that you're better off working 18 hours a day and sleeping four is just scientifically wrong.

A (16:54)

Ah, I got it right.

B (16:55)

So like, if you're gonna work really hard, make sure you get eight hours of sleep, make sure you do a little bit of exercise, eat well, but you're not gonna be doing yourself a favor if you're eating trash, right? Not sleeping well and not working out. Like it makes your system. Like for an engineer it means like, nobody wants to write shitty code. If you don't take care of yourself, you are shitty code. So like, don't be shitty code and try to build life. And so those are the two things. But I want to be very clear, like, I'm not blaming people. We just live in a fuck.

A (17:23)

I don't think it sounds like that

B (17:24)

we live in a fucked up society. And I'm trying to call attention to the fact that like the system you're playing in is not a good one

A (17:31)

and it's heavily stacked against people. Especially if there's a lot of things where it is addiction basis. Like, oh, but they know there's so much information now of how to get you addicted down to the molecule, down to like the moment of what you're looking at on your phone that it really is a war. It's a battle for your preservation. It's like it used to be that the man had to wake up and he had to know where the predator was, where the apex predators are. And now the apex predators are. They're in our homes, they're in our hands. And it really is, it's still a battle. And that is a battle. It's like if you want to take it on and then some days and moments and some people's lives are like, I don't really want to take that battle on. And that's kind of okay too. But I think knowing that the battle is there is pretty.

B (18:18)

Yeah.

A (18:18)

At least makes it that all the cards are on the table. Yeah. I saw that you recently, you did a social media fast, right?

B (18:25)

Yeah, I did, yeah.

A (18:26)

Take me through some of that. What was that like?

B (18:28)

Yeah, so first I, I love social media. I think it's so much fun.

A (18:34)

Like we have great stuff on X. It's like you can't even scroll through X without finding something. That's great from Brian Johnson and a lot of it's really great information too. Oh, here's the post. Right. I did a 40 hour and then a 70 hour social media fast. And I've come to believe that social media is pollution.

B (18:47)

Yeah. So first of all, you know, in watching your Netflix specials, like what I, what I love about watching that is you can say anything, right. Like the shit you talk about is so, is so unhinged. Like literally there's like, no, maybe you've got material where you're like, probably shouldn't include that one. But like, I couldn't detect it.

A (19:08)

Oh yeah. I like just saying shit. And so that's what you're supposed to be able to do.

B (19:12)

Exactly. So like what I love about that is the elbow room you have. Right. There's like, when you look at existence, you say like, my, my goal is to entertain you and I have all this open space. But then when people don't have that, when you, when you don't have comedy as the outlet and you're playing in society, people sit in a very narrow box. They feel like they can only say certain things if they step outside that they get punished by the tribe. Right. Like for whatever reason. And so what I love about social media is it just has enabled me to create elbow room. Like I posted nudes of myself. You know, like we did the blood trans, the plasma transfers. Like we, we basically have done enough things. I did, I did magic mushrooms on a live stream.

A (19:53)

Yep. That's what really made me think, oh, I really want to talk to this guy. Now because he's going into other realms.

B (19:58)

Yeah.

A (19:59)

And before we get into some of that, what were some of the findings from the social media Fast, or do you think it was long enough to notice anything?

B (20:04)

It was. Honestly, it was kind of life changing. It was. I did one fast that was 40 hours long, and then I did a second fast that was 70 hours long. And the science behind this is when you're engaged in social media, you basically have dopamine dysregulation. Right. Like, you're in this addiction state and you don't realize it, but it's actually creating all kinds of harm. And then you engage with social media to feel normal again. And then once you pull out of it and you have that break, you kind of get. You're out of the spell. You're not hypnotized anymore. And then you get to feel it for what it is. So now when I pull up the feed, it feels toxic. Like, it feels like I've had a fast food meal or like I've had. I'm in a secondhand room of secondhand smoke or like, it just feels so bad. And I guess that I pay attention to these feelings because over the past five years, I've been doing all, like, hundreds of experiments to my body. Like, what things make my body rejuvenate and what things make my body die. So I have this intuition I've built, and now when I go into social media, it like, literally feels like death. And so it's complicated though, because I love social media. I love to post, I love to play, I love to interact. But also when I get on, it's like, I'm like, nah, this is not good. So honestly, it's complicated. I don't know what to do.

A (21:23)

Yeah, there's a thing I noticed. If I've taken mushrooms before and you'll look at your phone, it's like, oh, get that away from me.

B (21:31)

You feel it, right?

A (21:31)

Yes. It's like, oh, that's not real. That's not. That's the most unnatural thing. Like, what is that it all? Yes. It feels like a kryptonite. Or if I've done ayahuasca or been on ayahuasca and you're coming in, I see my phone or I'll get home and turn on the tv. I'm like, oh, get that thing away from me. That is something that's just resonating. Like something dark.

B (21:50)

Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Like in those moments when you feel sober, it's like you do. You can Viscerally feel it.

A (21:56)

Yeah.

B (21:56)

But then once you get in there and you kind of play around for a while, you don't. You lose that sensitivity and you feel normal again. But yeah, it's. I think. And so what's been resonating is I've, I've been. So I posted this on social. I said, because a lot of people think that social media is like a vice or like a, you know, a bad habit. But I reframed it and said actually I think it's pollution. It's like microplastics or lead in the pipes or asbestos in the, the wall or like, you know, lead in the gasoline. I think it really is like a societal pollution. It accumulates in the body, it creates low grade inflammation. And I've been sharing this. So many people are like, I feel this. But they, the problem is you can't like telling someone to turn it off is like telling someone to not breathe coal smoke in London in the 19th century. You can't do it. Or like if there's water pollution. The solution for water pollution in London in the 19th century was not to say don't drink water, it was like to filter the water. So I think the solution here is like I propose this, that if people could build AI to basically create a layer of protection between me and the Internet, me and the social feed, extract out all the performative metrics, extract out all the garbage, all the slop and give me the goodness. But I want someone to. It'd be cool if someone could build social media into a longevity therapy versus like actually having a cigarette.

A (23:18)

Oh, I see what you're saying. Like make it a long slow fire that has like all a mix of things.

B (23:25)

Like help me when I engage with it, I want to feel good. I want to feel like I've drank like, you know, lemon water and ginger.

A (23:32)

Right. As opposed to like having a couple of cokes.

B (23:34)

Yeah, yeah. Slamming a bunch of energy drinks and

A (23:36)

oh yeah, dude, my friend keeps a five hour energy drink in his sock.

B (23:42)

This is the thing. But this is like, right? People pound like 2 to 3 to 4 a day. Like between, you know, 400 and 800 milligrams of caffeine and they like on top of modafinil or something, you know, so it's like.

A (23:54)

And kids are doing it. Kids will get an energy drink before school. I'm like, what are you. Yeah, dude, your grades are bad.

B (23:59)

Yeah. It's not even performing. Yeah.

A (24:01)

What are you doing even doing over there, dude? Yeah, you just because you're Reading the Crucible or whatever. I gotta get you another Celsius or something. Oh, it says, hey, hey. Social media users visibly decline 1 or 2 points in attractiveness. I 7. Oh, yeah. I saw you said something that social media even can make us uglier.

B (24:19)

Yeah, it does.

A (24:20)

This is the post. Really.

B (24:21)

Yeah, yeah. This is good science because, like, when you engage heavily in social media, you're basically. You're lower, you have higher depression, higher anxiety, you've got more inflammation, you sleep more poorly. So these are all things that when the body is in that condition, you just look worse. So, yeah. So heavy social media users lose at least a point or two on the attracting the scale. Like, you may go from a seven to a five. So, yeah, it does legitimately affect appearance.

A (24:49)

Yeah. And I think everybody kind of starts at an 8. That's what I think. If you brush your teeth, you're an eight.

B (24:53)

Yeah, you're right. Right. And you're nice. You're like 8.5.

A (24:56)

Yeah.

B (24:56)

And you give a good hug. You're like nine.

A (24:58)

Oh, you're already halfway there. Yeah. And then the rest is just the Lord. And if your parents. If they were tens. Wow, that's kind of. Yeah. Because I. This is interesting because I do notice, like, first of all, I'll say to people, I noticed this. Now I'll say to people, hey, I'm gonna go into my phone for a second.

B (25:14)

Right.

A (25:15)

So it's almost like I'm. Tay. I'm letting you. It's almost like, yeah, I'm gonna have a cigarette. It's like the same sort of thing.

B (25:20)

Yeah.

A (25:20)

And then now it's gotten to me. Sometimes I'm just so sick of so watching socials just like, I'll look at a few things, and it's just like, oh, this isn't help. This isn't doing anything anymore. That started the thing, too, is I don't even. This doesn't feel like it's doing anything anymore. And then that the algorithm that, you know, somebody's behind it, kind of queuing up what is next. It doesn't leave that as much of a whimsicalness about it.

B (25:47)

You know, that's right.

A (25:49)

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B (29:24)

Yeah, yeah, in la.

A (29:26)

Here we go. Mark Zuckerberg grilled about underage Instagram users social media addiction during landmark trial. In his first time testifying about child safety in front of a jury, Zuckerberg said the company does not seek to make Instagram addictive to younger users, pushing back against claims that the social media app is designed to be harmful to children. I'm focused on building a community that is sustainable. If you do something that's not good for people, maybe they'll spend more time short term, but if they're not happy with it, they're not going to use it over time. I'm not trying to maximize the amount of time people spend every month.

B (29:59)

Yeah. This is why I was saying that I wanted to reframe because when people talk about social media, typically the blame is on the person. The person spends too much time on social media. Right. They need to be more disciplined, they need to set limits. And when you reframe this and you say, actually social media is a pollutant, it's like some company manufacturing cigarettes or asbestos or lead or like when you reframe it that way, it's what you said is this is a pollutant driving society, that it is making society depressed, anxious, lose focus. Right. Having all sorts of negative psychological and physiological implications. When you reframe it that way, it changes the blame from the individual to like, you can't reasonably expect people to want to be part of the tribe, to want to be part of a friend group and then put them in a system like the. It's like lead in pipes. Water is in the pipes, but also lead is too. So it's like you can't. The solution is not to tell people to get off the phone. You have to do some kind of filtering or something because it's poisonous. Right now.

A (31:01)

Yeah. I think it's a great way to say it. Yeah. That it's a pollutant. Right. And people say, well, just get off your phone. But our society has gotten to the place where it is on our phone. We live in an electronica society in a digital age. So it's. Yeah. If you have a neighbor next door who is a company that's just like blowing like, you know, those smoke stacks that they never, that they never had any governors on and they were just pouring horrible smoke into the air, those were held liable. So it makes sense that these would be too. The case filed in Los Angeles Superior court involves over 1600 plaintiffs, including families and school districts, suing Meta, YouTube, which is TikTok and Snap. KGM claims features like infinite scrolling notifications and beauty filters create addiction, exacerbating body image depression and suicidal thoughts. Yeah, some of the key moments. Zuckerberg denied Meta aims to addict youth, stating his focus is on a sustainable community where unhappy users won't stay long term. Grilled on underage users and AR beauty filters. Despite internal concerns, he emphasized balancing free expression and well being, saying, you don't really build social media apps unless you care about people being able to express themselves. I don't know if that's true anymore. You know.

B (32:20)

You know what it feels like is in physics there's this idea like a phase transition. So when water is at 99 degrees Celsius, it's a solid. When it's 101, it's a vapor. So just a very small change. It's not gradual, just snaps. That's a phase transition. It feels to me like social media is heading towards a phase transition where there's like all this built up, all these built up problems that are over, like about to go from 99C to 101C and it just snaps. And society is like, we can't. Right. We can't do it anymore. Like, it's too much. Like we're all fucking broken from this thing. It's gotta stop. And like, I don't think these things are cool because they don't happen gradually. It's just suddenly overnight. Yeah. So I would love that if, like somehow there was a snap and we could all get back our sanity.

A (33:11)

Right. Like with ugg boots, like when people were like, oh, these are great, and Tom Brady was wearing them, then one day people were like, done. Yeah.

B (33:17)

Yeah.

A (33:18)

This shit's weird. Yeah.

B (33:19)

People will be so relieved to not feel like. Cause right now.

A (33:22)

Oh, dude. If they came out with a rule Right now and said on your phones won't even work on Saturday and Sunday. I think the entire world would exhale.

B (33:31)

Oh, 100%. That's also true. Like on like grind culture where the expectation is you have to work 20 hours a day, get up and grind.

A (33:41)

Right.

B (33:41)

It's like in this expectation.

A (33:42)

Keep your eyes open.

B (33:43)

I know.

A (33:44)

Keep looking at invoices.

B (33:45)

It's like we're like driving ourselves insane as a species is like we're losing our shit. And like it's, it's right there in front of us and it's all these expectations that if it would be, it would be amazing. I love that like the phones don't work. It's like, God damn, let's, let's go celebrate.

A (34:00)

I think. And I think people would, it won't even work good them. I think one day if people take over a business or like people like storm the Capitol, dude. Storm T Mobile. Storm these towers and just bring them down. Free us from what? This, these. It's digital chains where we're locked, you know?

B (34:18)

You know it's people. When people are not with the tribe, they experience it as physical death because we, we are evolved to live in a group of 150 people or less to be seen by the tribe. And when you're on social media, if you're not posting on social media, you're not seen by the tribe. So it feels literally like death. That's why you can't just say like, don't be on your phone because you're like, your body's like am I dead to the tribe? Right?

A (34:46)

Do I even exist? Yeah. You feel like that if I take a couple months off, will people know? Do I exist? What's even going on?

B (34:51)

So therefore you're forced into this performative existence of like, hey guys, I exist. Remember me? Like put me over here. Like remember I'm part of the tribe. So it's just, it's such a, a violent and abusive relationship of this game that no one wants to play. I mean like it is fun. Like there's value to it. There's good information. Like there's, I don't want to say there's not virtues to it, but the way it's structured now, it's just like a, a loss for society overall.

A (35:14)

Yeah, dude. Well, there's just things that you would miss, bro. Sitting there at home wondering if a chick thought about you or not. Yeah, bro.

B (35:23)

Yeah.

A (35:24)

And here's the thing, now you can just find out immediately she's liking some other dude. You see that she's already married or whatever. But back in the day, you couldn't do that, so you just had to. And you thought that she did. So you were like hopeful and excited

B (35:36)

and you would just.

A (35:36)

You would take care of yourself till the next time you saw her. But now you'll just go see something like, oh, she's out with Rick or whatever.

B (35:43)

So I'm.

A (35:44)

Now I'm depressed now. I'm at home now. I'm not even gonna get out of bed. You know, I think just those things. And then the. The also like the negative effects of just like if you communicate with all types of people all day, then when you finally see, like your spouse or your partner at the end of the day, you're kind of burnt out. Sometimes, you know, you're burnt out because you've had all this odd connection. That's not real connection, but it's. It's a. Some artificial connection. It's like if you've been eating Fritos all day and then you get to dinner, you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, this looks so good. But I'm just. I can't even have any right now. I'm already full of shit.

B (36:23)

So we, with this project, we have been. So basically my project, don't die.

A (36:28)

Oh, your project don't die?

B (36:29)

Yeah. So like, basically, like the idea is that if we are the first generation who won't die, then the goal is like, identify things that make you die and then don't do those things. Right. Try to eliminate them. So what you're talking about at the end of the day when you're like, I don't know what it is, but I just feel like shit right then. It's. So it's basically, it's the stacking of all these things that make you die. For example, did you know this? That when you walk into a fast food place like McDonald's, you have the smell that you. You right when you walk in. That is like secondhand smoke. It's the aerosol. Aerosolized oils.

A (37:04)

Yeah. So like, that's Ronald McDonald's cologne.

B (37:07)

It is his cologne. That's creepy. You know what? That's creepy as fuck because you got

A (37:13)

that play place in the back.

B (37:14)

Oh, my God. That is. That is dystophic. Holy shit. I didn't think about that.

A (37:19)

It is, huh?

B (37:19)

So like, that is one example. So we track 250 things in our society that make me die. And so. And when you go about your day

A (37:28)

with this project don't die.

B (37:30)

Exactly.

A (37:30)

So you guys, track 250 things that make you die.

B (37:32)

Yeah. So basically when I started doing this, we said, okay, like, are we the first generation who won't die? Okay, let's take that as a premise. So then I hired a team of doctors and we got to work. And so we. We went through all the scientific evidence. We said, like, what does the scientific evidence say about longevity and things that make you die? And then I measured every organ in my body that I could. Like, we would go through and say, what is the age? So I. I was 42 years old when we started. So I said, like, what is the biological age of my heart? Because your biological age can be different than your chronological age.

A (38:03)

Okay.

B (38:04)

So, for example, like, my ear. My left ear is age 64 because I shot a lot of guns as a kid, listen to loud music, so it's impaired. So we measured all my organs and said, like, here's my baseline. And then we got to work, like, doing therapies and measurement. And so I became the most measured person in human history. There's more data on my body than any human that's ever lived.

A (38:24)

Wow.

B (38:24)

And so in doing that, we just found out, like, what kills the body? You know, like, do microplastics harm the body? If so, how, you know, do. Does going into fast food, like, aerosolized? Does that like social media? And so when you. It really resonates when you say, you go home, like, you don't know why, you feel like shit. But after doing this for years, I know why. It's like the stacking of all these things that society has done to make a profit, and then it's just like, you're the collateral damage. But we've built a society of dai, and that's what sucks about it. So I never want to approach it to say, like, hey, you individual, like, you get off your phone or you stop doing these things. It's like the system's broken, right? And that's what's cool about this moment, is if we do see, this moment is like, this is like 1870. Bacteria is present. Do we believe this crazy idea or not? Like, this could be, like, it would change everything. So we transform ourselves as a society.

A (39:23)

I love that idea because, yeah, when you put it like that, it gives you more of a hope. It gives it more of like a. This universal type of thing that's going on. And I feel that. I feel like there's a lot of people questioning everything right now. Like, is this good for me? Why did I believe all these companies? Why Did I believe that the government and the FDA and the EPA that they were looking out for me. They, it's obvious now from so many trials and, and corporate interests that they weren't. You know, there's all these, there's, there's all these things that, that none of that was happening. And so now it' on us. And what do we really want? Right, because we put the faith. I think a lot of people would put the faith in the hands of their government. And not entirely, but you would just assume that, oh yeah, the food they're letting come into us, into our lives where we pay taxes to make sure there's an agency that overlooks this, that it's going to be okay for us. And then I think it's at the point now where people that that idea is totally spoiled. So where do we go from here? Are those powers going to try to like, imprison us into this space? Which also feels like it's going to, they're trying to. Because you have like, companies like Baron Monsanto that are lobbying, you know, like, trying to keep all these things in our food and make sure that people can't sue if they do get sick. Or is it going to be that there's some sort of a revolution?

B (40:40)

Yeah.

A (40:41)

So I saw you just, you just asked Trevin to pour your coffee into. And that was out of a paper cup into a. Yeah.

B (40:51)

Stainless steel. Yeah.

A (40:52)

Okay, what is the cause of that? Because that's one thing a lot of people were thinking of.

B (40:56)

What's. So there's been a lot of discussion around microplastics.

A (41:00)

Yeah.

B (41:00)

You know, like they're everywhere. They're our clothes, they're in our food. Like, so we did this project where we said, okay, can we measure microplastics in my body? And so we did a few things. One is we measured microplastics in my blood and we measured microplastics in my semen.

A (41:16)

Okay.

B (41:17)

And so two distinct biological systems. And we wanted to look at semen because fertility is really important. And we want to psych because there was a few studies that showed that 100% of tested males of tested men have microplastics in their balls and their semen. And so we wanted to basically pose this question. Could we do anything in life that would lower my microplastic burden in my body, in my blood and on my semen? And so we did a few things. Like, one is cups they use for hot coffee. They leach microplastics. The heat causes the leaching of microplastics so when you're drinking that coffee, you're consuming microplastics. And so we did that plus a whole bunch of other things to reduce it. And we dropped my microplastic burden by 87% in both blood and semen. And so that was a big win for us because no one in the world had ever demonstrated that, that you can look at both those things and look at the remediations. And the second thing we saw is we think that part of the reduction was from the things we did, like removing plastic cups, you know, plastic cutting boards, like trying to remove plastic from the house, then also dry sauna. We think dry sauna was potentially, we're not sure, potentially the cause of reducing microplastics in the body overall. So it's kind of the example of where if you hear a headline of like toxin, like microplastic is scary. We try to lay out a clear path of like, you can do these things to reduce your exposure and to bring your levels down. So if we do that systematically over like a whole bunch of things. But yeah, that's why I basically try to avoid any material that would be warmed and leach microplastics. Whereas stainless steel, you don't have that leaching problem.

A (43:00)

Got it. And what about using just our microwaves and stuff like that? Are there microplastics in there? I hear recently that there's microplastics in our air fryers and stuff like that. Is that stuff true or is that just a. A sales pitch for them to get you to get a new air fryer?

B (43:14)

Yeah, I mean, if your air fryer. I was looking at an air fryer recently. I think a lot of them are made with plastic. And so you're heating these materials to certain degrees where you're inevitably going to have off gassing of microplastic. I know. This is the thing. It's like once you start, once you realize that plastic is a target, you realize you come to learn it's in everything everywhere you look. So even now, like, after I've tried to purge my life from plastic, I will still. Like, for example, here's an example. I was doing sauna to try to rid my body of toxins, including microplastics. I mistakenly used a towel that was 10% polyester and 90% cotton. So there I am trying to rid myself of toxins and I'm using it on my body like a polyester, right? Like wiping my body with toxins. So like, you know, like that was an idiotic mistake. But like an example, like we're always. We're just finding this forever. So I got rid of all the. I thought that was a cotton towel, but it wasn't. But we got rid of that. But it's just forever. It's amazing how omnipresent they are.

A (44:18)

Yeah. I've actually been working with this company, American giant that they make. They've tried to use just American cotton and make their products just in America like that. I mean, just top to bottom. America only company that makes textiles or clothing because they don't really even have those anymore. Yeah, I remember their journey was, how do we even get a shirt made here? And it was seemingly impossible just because we don't have the looms or so many things we don't have. But we've been working on a cotton, like a cotton only underwear. That would be just. So it's only cotton. Right. So you're not dealing with anything else.

B (44:53)

That's awesome.

A (44:54)

What fabrics have you found that are okay to kind of keep on your body that do not have microplastics in them? And which ones are the ones that people need to be wary of?

B (45:02)

Yeah, there's a list. So, I mean, one is on the cotton stuff is we were. Everything I put into my body, we test, like, all the food I eat. So we were testing clothing, and actually we tested a diaper. A diaper where? The portion of the diaper. The diaper that absorbs the urine for the baby, we tested that, and it was like eight times as high in glyphosate. So, so, so cotton, unexpectedly, that's what's in the pesticides. Exactly. So. So cotton is. Is better than, like a polyester. But cotton is also not, like, it's not just pure. Right. So there could be residual pesticides in your cotton. Like, how fast does it come out? We don't know, but this is, like. This is, like, dangerous. I think a lot of people listening are kind of like, oh, my God, I give up. Like, what do I do?

A (45:51)

Right?

B (45:51)

But, like, I. I want to give you hope. Like, you. You just slowly peel back one layer after another after another, like, chip away. It's okay. Like, we'll get. After. We'll get on top of this. But just, like, just know that there's always these layers. So, yeah, so we tested that. So that's in the diaper. Now, there's no evidence that glyphosate can go from a diaper into the skin. No one's tested it, so maybe it is, but if it is, that's terrible. We're bathing our children, you know, we're bathing their private parts in pesticides in these diapers. And so like, this is the kind of thing where I'm saying, like, once you start chasing these, these paths, you just find out society has built itself for profit. They've not built itself for life. And that's what you see everywhere. And so back to this conversation, the point you made before of like this idea of care. Like, think of. Okay, here's a question for you. Who in your life unquestionably acts in your best interest? Like, without, without a doubt, they act in your best interest.

A (46:53)

Probably my brother.

B (46:55)

Like you can probably count on one hand, right? Yeah. Everyone else, like, whether it's like a social group or whether it's companies or the government or whatever, everybody else shows up with a complicated set of objectives. Part of it may be like, it's not good, but a whole bunch of other. The rapper behind it may be like, they want something from you. And so there's this idea of care that I'm trying to pioneer with the company I'm building around. This is, can we legitimately, unquestionably always act in our customer's best interest, Even if it means we lose money, we always show up for you. Because that's really like what I've been trying to do in this whole process. But it just shows that as a society, we don't have care as a principle as our society. Like, you're not expected to actually act in someone's best interest. You're expected to have a better exchange to make profit.

A (47:46)

Well, sometimes I'll romanticize. Well, it probably used to be that way. And I don't know if that's true or not, but the fact that we're at that place now I think is important. We did this thing this year around the holidays where we've tried to find 10American companies that were like American made products and then show those off, like highlight those. It was me and Mike Rowe and it was just. So if you want to buy something that's American, you can get it. This is something that when you buy it, you're supporting a fellow American. So it's like, screw these big company, like, if, if I buy from you and you buy from me.

B (48:21)

Yeah.

A (48:21)

Then we keep each other alive. We, we're it only, you know, so we're trying to start to create this, this space where you can do that, where it's like, if I want to buy something, I'd rather, instead of going to look at like these things that are on the same shelves in every single place. Why don't I go find this unique thing that's only made by one of my fellow human beings?

B (48:42)

You know, That's a cool idea.

A (48:43)

It's one of the things that's kind of made me most excited recently, like, in the world. And we're trying to work with, like, Shopify or something, you know, some company to come along and be like, well, these are the sites. You know, people are going to need these sites to build their products.

B (48:56)

Yeah.

A (48:56)

Because then it's like, if, like, we even had a woman who sells, like, these really, like, great little characters and kind of ornaments and stuff. So we had some artists and creatives in there, but it was great. And a lot of them had great profits. It was like, oh, people want this. Right. People want to go down the road where there is, like, some accountability for themselves, and they want to be in a way where they can. Where they. The purchase, where they're putting their money. It feels like I'm giving this to someone else who I know probably needs it just as much as I do, you know, they're just a regular person. They're not a big entity, you know. So I think. Anyway, I'm saying I think there's somewhat of a. People do care. Are we. To get people to care where they're spending?

B (49:40)

Yeah.

A (49:41)

You know, that kind of stuff is very important. What. What are your thoughts on RFK Juniors? His Eat Real Food initiative? Have you seen that?

B (49:48)

Yeah, I have. Yeah. Tyson being the spokesperson.

A (49:51)

What's that?

B (49:51)

Yeah, Mike Tyson was the. Was the spokesperson. He was. He was in the super bowl ad.

A (49:55)

Oh, I didn't even see that.

B (49:56)

Yeah, yeah.

A (49:57)

Because he came on here and he talked about it. He just said, eat Real food, you know?

B (50:00)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's great. I mean, I think so. RFK is a friend.

A (50:04)

Yeah, same.

B (50:05)

Yeah. He's getting after it. You know, like, in any situation, people are going to have various opinions. Fine. But, like, he's really trying his best, so I respect that he's pulling up, and he's made some great. He has some great wins getting rid of food dyes and so, yeah, I mean, I'm grateful for him doing it. And it was cool, you know, like, Mike Tyson is probably the person that has been in my consciousness more than any public figure. When I was 7 years old, he had PE. I think he was 21. He just won the belt. And he was on the COVID of Sports Illustrated, like, every week. That's right. I would cut those out and I had it on my wall. But Mike Tyson was my idol. I actually. This is like a terrible story. I loved him so much and I saved up all. I worked all summer long mowing lawns and like doing all bunch of shit. I saved up money and I bought the pay per view. It was like $44.95. I called my friends over. I'm going to treat them to this amazing experience. And he was fighting Buster Douglas, his first big loss. And oh, my God, that was. That was like soul wrenching because I wanted to see Tyson, like, you know, knocked out of the park. I'd never seen him fight live. And you couldn't just like pull him up on clips on YouTube? YouTube, you know, harder to see. But anyways, somebody like, tangent there. But it was cool to see Tyson go from that to now. He's like, in my world, talking about real food and how it's important. So I think he's got. He's had a cool life arc.

A (51:36)

He has had a great life arc. I mean, he's pretty fascinating. We're supposed to do a podcast with him coming up soon, actually, in la, actually. So if I do do that, man, I'll have to make sure that you get to come over there.

B (51:46)

Would love to. I would love to meet him.

A (51:47)

That'd be super, dude. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was like, you know, boxers were such, like, I don't know if, like they were such gods.

B (51:59)

They. They held that status right. In the 80s. They were it. Like you had like basketball, you had the Bulls, you've got the Bears, you know, Bo Jackson, like, they were it.

A (52:12)

Yeah, 100%. What do you think the government's role should be in our health and diet?

B (52:20)

I guess, like two things. One is there. There are a lot of things I want to do that I can't do because the government prevents me from doing it. So I can go out and smoke, I can eat fast food, I can eat all the junk food out there, but I can't try a new longevity. Drug companies are forbidden from allowing me to do that. So, like, in many ways, I dislike. They give me the freedom to kill myself, but I can't have the. I don't have the right to experiment on myself. And I wish I had more experiential power that I could do that.

A (52:55)

Have there been certain drugs and stuff that you wanted to go try?

B (52:58)

A lot of them.

A (52:59)

Really?

B (52:59)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (53:00)

What's one that really kind of, you know, tickles your Benjamin butt?

B (53:03)

Yeah. That's good. I mean, there's a whole Bunch of. There's like probably a dozen. And like the thing I want to do is I want to accept the responsibility of determining if it's safe or not. Now if I mess up, it's on me.

A (53:20)

Yeah.

B (53:20)

Like I'll take that responsibility. But I don't want them to say like only after because then it creates this gigantic. It makes sense. Companies go through like a structured process and they say it's gone through this process. We give it a stamp of approval. So like it's a good idea. Like on large scale vaccines, like you don't want to ship a shitty vaccine to society. Totally get it also. Right. On N equals one like me scale. I want to do things without their limiting my ability to do it. So it's a really tricky balance because there needs to be some structure in place where as a member of the society, I can say I trust some entity to ensure what I'm doing is safe. Because we're saying the company itself can't be trusted. Right. Like there needs to be some.

A (54:07)

Right. Some middleman.

B (54:07)

Yeah. But like that's the idea.

A (54:09)

But now the middleman, it feels like, can't be trusted.

B (54:11)

Exactly. So like, what if we just like take this little wholesale? What we're going back to is care. Right. Like do I trust that whoever is doing something is legitimately looking after my best interest or not? This is why I'm saying when you go back to like, who legitimately is looking after your best interest, it's not like one hand, it's your brother.

A (54:28)

Yeah.

B (54:28)

And so what if we established as a society the principle of care? And now that's hard because you have to do things that are not in your best financial interest. You've got to do things like don't look good. So like it really puts a different mentality. But also, man, would it be kick ass to live in that society.

A (54:44)

Yeah.

B (54:44)

Where you know, if you're gonna tell me, take a drug like you're not hiding, like you're not like, you know, so that'd be cool. So.

A (54:50)

Oh yeah, it'd be so nice. Because imagine also the stress that it adds to all of us.

B (54:55)

Yeah.

A (54:56)

You know, it's so stressful now. It's like you go eat a hot cake or whatever and you're like, is this thing gonna kill me? Not today. But is there something in here that they're Strategiz kill me 30 years from now, you know, to create some new disease in me that then I'll need some new type of medicine? You know, it just Kind of, yeah, it's a lot of turmoil. What is your kind of daily dietary strategy? Where do you stand with your diet?

B (55:20)

Yeah.

A (55:21)

And then we'll talk about like supplements that you like.

B (55:23)

Cool. Yet the principle here is that I am a collection of around 70 trillion cells. Like Brian Johnson is 70 trillion cells. Half, like, over half of those cells are alien cells. They're not even me, they're just bacteria. So I'm like around 30, 35 trillion cells.

A (55:37)

Is that true?

B (55:38)

Yeah, yeah. You, you are a collection of like 70 trillion cells that makes the ovon.

A (55:43)

Okay. And half of those cells are not, they're not you. They're not natural born citizens.

B (55:47)

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, they're immigrants. Yeah. So like they're bacteria and others that are hanging out in your ecosystem. And so the question is like, you know, when it comes to food, food is just a collection of molecules. So you're taking one set of molecules and you put them in your molecules and you see like what happens. And so we know, for example, when you take fast food, those molecules are put in your body. It does bad stuff. And so with diet, we basically just say, if you have to create a list of the very best molecules in existence that help the body thrive, what are those molecules? So every calorie has a five parts life. And so that's the first principle and then two is I don't subscribe to any camp. Like, I'm not carnivore, I'm not vegan, I'm not vegetarian, I'm not paleo, I'm not keto, I don't care. I just want to look at the evidence and say, you take a given thing, you put it in the body, what happens? And so my diet primarily consists of a whole bunch of vegetables. I do berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil. That's primarily what I eat. And so I'm just, I'm extremely meticulous because I'm trying to become the most don't die person in the world. So. But you know, if people enjoy eating meat, eat meat, you know, like, do your thing. If you enjoy eggs, do eggs. Just measure your body. Like measure your body and see if you're happy or not. If the body is. So there's what your mind can say, like, oh, I love blank. But measuring your body is a different thing. Your body is going to tell, is going to speak the truth, not your mind. So basically, like you want to measure out your body, report out how's inflammation, how's cholesterol, like, how's all the different markers. So.

A (57:21)

And when it comes to meat and things like that, or they're just. You don't like them or you feel like they don't work for your body. Was there something that you found that you're like, this isn't the best for me.

B (57:30)

So it's actually, I mean, one is, I think there's two points. One is, I think you can make an evidence based argument that a diet that primarily consists of vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil, legumes is one of the best paths to longevity. Not the only, but like a good one. And then on the, like red meat. There's not a ton of evidence that. A ton of longevity evidence that says this thing is a longevity producer now. But I pull myself out of the argument because I don't care about red meat. I don't care about the argument, I don't care about the disagreement. If somebody wants to eat red meat, I support you in eating red meat.

A (58:14)

Yeah.

B (58:14)

Like, I'm not gonna go after red meat. Like, I'm not that person. So just like do that.

A (58:18)

Yeah. I'll pat you on the back while you have a little, you know.

B (58:20)

Yeah, yeah.

A (58:21)

While you have some burn ends.

B (58:22)

Yeah, man. Do it. Like, do your thing and just measure your body. So I tried to do that and I try to then share my body biomarkers and say, here's what my body looks like. Here's the evidence. If you want to try it out, here you go. But like a lot of. So like a couple things. One is, I love extra virgin olive oil. I think it's one of the best foods you can put into your body.

A (58:43)

Is that a seed oil or not?

B (58:44)

No.

A (58:44)

Okay.

B (58:45)

Yeah. There's like this whole. Seed oils are bad for you. I don't, I don't buy it.

A (58:50)

You don't?

B (58:51)

No, I think it's fried. It's. It's high temp seed oils, but you know, like cold pressed seed oils, you know, like they're fine. So like that whole thing I think got away.

A (59:01)

So you think the seed oil thing is kind of out there?

B (59:03)

Yeah, yeah, it's. You don't want to heat them. That's when they become dangerous. But cold press seed oils, the evidence says are fine. But again, like, if somebody wants to do it, great, like, you know, stain or take it. Just measure yourself and try to find the markers.

A (59:18)

Right. Check in with yourself. Have some sort of like, okay, how do I really feel after having this?

B (59:23)

Yeah. And how does your body report out? Not your mind, not your opinion, not what Social media says, ask your body to report out with biomarkers, get a blood draw, look at your markers and say, is the body happy or sad?

A (59:34)

Right. Not each time you eat, but you're saying over time.

B (59:37)

Over time, yeah. Because those, like your body reflects your diets over, you know, a period of time. Yeah, yeah. But like the easy ones, like just avoid. There we go.

A (59:48)

Yeah. This was just saying cooking oils. Not all cooking oils are created equal. This chart breaks down the linoleic acid content in different oils, helping you make informed choices for heart health and inflammation control. Hyalc oils like soybeans, sunflower and corn oil can contribute to inflammation, while healthier options like coconut, olive and grass fed butter offer beneficial fats. But you don't buy into this.

B (60:11)

I mean, so this is cooking. This is what does.

A (60:14)

Oh, this is actually using it for cooking.

B (60:15)

Yeah. What does? Well, at higher heats.

A (60:18)

This is kind of what you're saying, actually that some of these may provide less health benefit for you.

B (60:24)

But like on this though, like this graph, I want to see the toxic compounds that are formed. Otherwise, like, I don't know how to read this graph.

A (60:33)

Right, right. And they'll show stuff like this, I mean, even entrap me. It just, you know, they use the red, yellow, green.

B (60:39)

Yeah, exactly.

A (60:40)

There's a lot of small strategies that can kind of like, yeah, I want to confuse you.

B (60:43)

I want to see what temperature, what are the toxic compounds. I'm evaluating when do they form, like, you know, et cetera. So that, that is like a, that'd be a much more quantified approach where I'd say, all right, now I feel like I have a good basis for decision making versus, like, this is easy to read online. You see red, green, yellow. It's like, okay, good, bad. Because anything more than good bad, it kind of, it gets overwhelming for people.

A (61:05)

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You say extra virgin olive oil, that's sort of your go to.

B (61:10)

Yeah. Based upon the evidence my team and I have reviewed, this is what I would suggest if people want quick takeaways. One is I consume more extra virgin olive oil than any food in my diet. It's 15 of my daily caloric intake. But it's. We source it ourselves, we test it in the lab ourselves. It's high polyphenol, has the right acids. Right. Right constitution. So it's a specific kind of olive oil. It's not because most olive oil is like, most of it does nothing and most of it a lot of. Yeah. So you need a very. So whatever you buy make sure it has a third party lab test result. Now that's, that's a lot like.

A (61:48)

But is there a brand that you tell us? I mean, I know. Or do you have this yourself that we could buy? Do you have your own.

B (61:53)

I do it myself. Because like, going back to that discussion of care and trust, after playing this game for five years, I don't trust anybody.

A (62:00)

Yeah.

B (62:01)

No one. Like, I don't care what they say in marketing. I don't care. I just don't trust anyone.

A (62:05)

That's how I am.

B (62:06)

So, like, yeah, I want to source it from the farm myself. I want to test it in the third party lab. So I just. Basically I did this my whole self. And then my friends were like, I want this too. And I'm like, sure, yeah.

A (62:15)

I was about to ask you for something and this is. But this is one you guys have. It's called snake oil.

B (62:18)

Yeah, we like kind of a troll. Yeah, but yeah, it's basically we source from both hemispheres, Southern hemisphere, northern hemisphere. We always have a fresh batch. We do third party testing. It's high polyphenols. So olive oil. And also like I do a tablespoon with every meal. Because when you eat food, it causes damage to your body. Like, a lot of people don't know that. They think like food is like a good thing, which it is. But also there's a. So there's damage associated. So olive oil lessens that damage, like lessens some of the oxidative damage. So that's. Olive oil is 1, 2 is. I eat a lot of legumes, like lentils, edamame, beans, a lot of vegetables, but I steam them. So when you, when you char something, whether it be charring vegetables or meat or something, it builds something called ages.

A (63:06)

Ages?

B (63:07)

Yeah. Advanced glycated end products, which is basically just think of it like junk that builds up in your. In your, in your body. You don't want it. So I steam vegetables to lower the ages. And then I eat a lot of nuts. Macadamia nuts, almonds. Walnuts.

A (63:26)

I like walnuts.

B (63:27)

Yeah, right. Those are like the. Those are good ones. Like, I don't eat cashews or peanuts. Those are like the less valuable.

A (63:33)

Those are drunkards nuts, aren't they?

B (63:38)

Yeah. Then I do a lot of.

A (63:40)

And cashew just looks like it's fucking. Yeah, Looks like it doesn't even know what it's doing. If you look at a cashew. Bring up a cashew.

B (63:47)

Yeah, yeah.

A (63:48)

It looks kind of bisexual a little. Which is fine.

B (63:51)

Yeah.

A (63:51)

But I'm just saying it looks like it'll sleep over at anybody's house to me.

B (63:56)

Yeah, I think it's a good interpretation. I've never heard someone riff on a cashew's appearance, but you know what? I think you're right.

A (64:02)

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B (67:50)

had, I had a couple thoughts, you know, like, you know, Theo, I wish I could say, I wish I could talk about shit like you do. Like, I have several thoughts I just had. I'd like to express them, but I don't, you know, like, I still play within a certain box of like, what I can and cannot say, but.

A (68:03)

And do you think it's some of that's for like, business purposes or you just think it's just like a social way that you learned?

B (68:08)

I mean, it's like as weird as I am and as much elbow room as I've created in doing crazy shit, there's still some things that I would say that would alienate certain people. And so I do have some parameters and so, but I, you know, if I wasn't doing this honestly, I'd do stand up comedy.

A (68:29)

Really?

B (68:29)

Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. It'd be like, bro, that's cool. Oh man, it would, it would be, it would be so much fun because you basically, you're trying to put your finger on the thing.

A (68:40)

Yeah.

B (68:41)

And that's what I try to do my life. But you like. And so when people. Their response, of course, is like, how good you are putting your finger on the thing that they already know.

A (68:48)

Right.

B (68:49)

But you're willing to say it and you can string it together. So.

A (68:52)

Yeah, but you're kind of doing that. You're kind of like a. I mean, it's just not stand up comedy, but you're just doing it for our health, you know?

B (68:58)

Yeah.

A (68:58)

And I'm. I would way rather you're this guy out there who's like, just. Who's basically riding around being his own voodoo doll and shit, then have you out there, like, trying jokes, which you may have been very successful at as well. But I'm glad you're doing what you are. Maybe, you know, maybe it'll be a side thing or next life. But also, some people might not even take you as seriously. You know, one night I watched John Mayer. He got up and did stand up comedy.

B (69:23)

Yeah.

A (69:23)

And he's like, man, I love stand up comedy. I would have loved to have been a stand up comedian. He goes, but now I'm so known for being what I am that I can't even be this.

B (69:32)

Yeah.

A (69:33)

Because it just. People wouldn't accept it or wouldn't give you the same walkway into their lives as. As they would knowing I'm already John Mayer.

B (69:43)

Yeah. Yeah. You know, I would love to take down that challenge. And, man, I would love to have

A (69:48)

so many great jokes.

B (69:49)

I want to make fun of myself. Like, I'm so weird, right?

A (69:53)

Dude, of course you are. Dude, you probably. You probably might not even have any blood in your body. Dude. You could go to a blood draw and they just keep drawing and drawing. The just sitting there. Nurses are coming out. Like, we don't know, you know? I mean. Oh, dude, I bet if you. Have you ever been on Kill Tony? Have you been on that show?

B (70:11)

No.

A (70:12)

Oh, bro, if you. I wonder if we. Maybe next time I go in there, you and me could go, he's this. Have you ever seen it? No, it's this. It's like the Tonight show now, but they do it down in Austin and it's. And, dude, I bet people would write some jokes, bro. It'd be.

B (70:27)

So, let's do it. I would love to.

A (70:31)

This is it. It's so much fun, bro. Every week they have it. You would be the best on there, dude.

B (70:37)

I went to a couple Roast Me shows and it was pretty good.

A (70:43)

Yeah.

B (70:44)

Yeah. Oh, I really enjoy people making fun of me.

A (70:46)

It's fun. My buddy Adam Hunter does or used to do a Lot of those. I know he's one of the best at it, but Tony Hinchcliffe is really great at it too. And that's his show, Kill Tony. Okay. Were there other things you were going to tell us about? Some other health stuff? You said that your own. And you also have a. And I'm not pushing your products here, but I was given a gift of one of your products, and I haven't taken it before. And it's a blueprint. Protein powder.

B (71:10)

Yeah.

A (71:10)

Is it a protein powder? Is it a daily powder? What is it?

B (71:14)

Yeah, protein.

A (71:15)

Okay. It's a protein powder. And a lot of times you hear this, supplements and stuff like that. A lot of that stuff just comes out in your urine. Like, what makes this thing any different? Or is it any different?

B (71:25)

Yeah. So the. The problem I was trying to solve is I need to eat every day somehow. Yeah. And I need a certain amount of protein, certain amount of fat. And so when I go out in the world, I'm like, where am I gonna buy it? I. Who do I trust? No one.

A (71:38)

Yeah.

B (71:38)

Okay. So I gotta manufacture this. So basically, like, we put together, I eat everything my company makes because I trust it. I. You know, I worked as a. In high school, I worked at a restaurant. I was. And I saw the back kitchen operations and I was like, damn, I'm never eating at this restaurant ever again. Right. Once you see it, it's. It's horrifying.

A (72:00)

Yeah. Well, it's crazy when you think you're at a restaurant that you think that the people in the back are doing their best, because a lot of times you're like, you'll go eat and then I'll go work at a restaurant. So it's like, then I'm. I'm just the person in the back.

B (72:13)

Yeah. And the whole idea of competent things going on behind the scenes that you can trust. No, no. Someone breaks it. So, yeah. So blueprint. I see exactly what happens. That's what I want to use. So, yeah, protein. I basically need 130 grams a day, and so I have to get it from somewhere. So, yeah, same thing. We source it, we third party test it, we look at all the nutrients and the chemicals and the toxins. So, yeah. So the protein is one of the things we've built. And so.

A (72:42)

And what kind of protein powder do you recommend? I take a plant protein. Right now. That's kind of what I feel like works best with my system. Yeah, but what is there a type of. Because you hear different ones and new ones pop out and then there's like the one you're supposed to take at night. Like, what has your experience been like with protein powders?

B (72:58)

We've been using pea and hemp. We started using pumpkin and.

A (73:04)

Oh, Pumpkin got something.

B (73:05)

Was pumped. Yeah. Yeah. So there's, there's.

A (73:07)

It should be obvious. Pumpkin has muscles, dude.

B (73:10)

Exactly. You look at a flexing in the field, right? Who's this? Who's this Defined. Yeah. Yeah. So like we. Odd. Yes, we did that.

A (73:19)

But you know, like, pee doesn't mix very well though.

B (73:21)

Yeah, that's why. So that's why we do the hemp combo.

A (73:23)

Okay.

B (73:24)

Yeah.

A (73:24)

And it helps it.

B (73:25)

It makes it fluffy and nice because.

A (73:27)

Peace. Sometimes I'll get it in a smoothie or something and you can't even drink it because it's not the. The solution isn't like liquid enough.

B (73:33)

Yeah, so we do that. But people. There's like this online thing where people say that plant based proteins are higher in heavy metals. Right. Because there's. You can test it. The issue with that is that the whole heavy metal discussion is so fucked up because we test all my foods. You can go to the store and get a carrot and test that for heavy metals. It's high in heavy metals. And so the only reason why it's been sensational around plant based proteins with toxins is because it's packaged food you can easily measure, but it's harder to measure fresh food. People don't do the work. So we've learned toxins are everywhere in all foods. And so for example, I'll give you one where I was eating these lentils and the test came back high. And so we're like, why are lentils high in heavy metals? What's going on there? So we got ahold of the company and we're like, what's your manufacturing process? They said, actually we use human sludge as our fertilization. So they're taking like duty or whatever. Yeah, they're taking, they're taking human because it's like a.

A (74:31)

Who's selling it?

B (74:33)

So they're using human to fertilize and human has heavy metals in it. So then recycles back into the. To the food. And so we've been. This, this is why I make this shit. Because I shouldn't say stuff. So we, we want to. We want to source our own food. We want to test it. I want to know what I'm putting in my body. And so we just. I've learned way too much. I'm like, I'm so jaded.

A (74:53)

Now so the lentils, they were using human on their crops and it was getting into the lentils.

B (74:58)

That's why. Because otherwise, if you think about it, you're like, what foods naturally have high levels of blank. Right. Or like cocoa has high levels of heavy metals. Like it has a lot high levels of cadmium naturally. But then people test that, that I cure the brand rankings. But then glyphosate can also be present. And so we found that the brand had the lowest levels of cadmium, had the highest levels of glyphosate by like 10x they had an oat filler. So it was in the oats. And so this is the thing is like you, once you actually take a topic and you actually slice it up to capture the nuance. It's just the conversation online is almost never right. Like when the things that gain trendy popularity, it's almost always wrong.

A (75:42)

And would you say that some of it almost is negligible then? Because at a certain point, just overall we are in a very tough spot with.

B (75:50)

Yeah.

A (75:50)

With what is in our foods, no matter what.

B (75:52)

100 like that's. I'm saying, like it is. I, I don't. People are going to feel stressed about this conversation. So I want to like, make sure we close.

A (75:58)

I want to agree.

B (75:59)

I want to, I want to give like a few tips where people can regain control of their life.

A (76:03)

Okay.

B (76:04)

Because I don't want to terrify. I know it's terrifying.

A (76:06)

Well, one of the things that I even. I think you've already done is that's why you're saying like, okay, you may have this diet.

B (76:12)

Yeah.

A (76:12)

If you have an olive oil that you take when you're eating, that it will lessen the effects of your diet on your system at the time.

B (76:19)

Ye.

A (76:19)

So and those are the types of things that are, are kind of important. It's like, okay, well, I know that even if some stuff I know is going to be not great for me, how do I at least just mitigate what's going on while our science hopefully gets, you know, uncompromised, while our food system hopefully gets uncompromised and we're able to get back into a better place. But you were saying there are some things you want them to take away.

B (76:42)

Yeah. Okay, cool. So here's like, in short, this list of things will hopefully help people feel empowered and not anxious. So yes, there's all kinds of shit to be aware of, but if you focus on these things. So one is, I've learned out of all the Things I've measured. I literally have like billions of data points on my body over the past five years. If you distill that and say how many are useful signal, probably a few hundred million. But it's the largest data set in human history. The thing I care about the most is what is my heart rate before bed? It is like the most useful biomarker and it's so easy because it's free. So if you have a wearable, you can just pull up your phone, see what you're wearing. So you go, you lay down on your bed, take a few deep breaths, and you calm yourself down. And then you see a number. Let's say it's like 55 beats a minute or 60. Your goal in life now is to lower your heart rate. So you say you start off at 60, in a month from now, be at 55. And so the way you do that one is you have your final meal of the day, four hours before bed. Yeah, I know, I know, I hear you.

A (77:47)

And no snacks.

B (77:49)

No snacks, no food. So if Your bedtime's at 10, at 6pm, you're done. There we go. That's a great chart.

A (77:55)

Got it.

B (77:55)

So these are the things. So when you increase your heart rate before bed, it wrecks your sleep.

A (78:01)

Yes.

B (78:02)

When you don't sleep well, your willpower falls off a cliff. So the next morning, when you're trying to decide, do you eat the croissant or the donut for breakfast or not, if you haven't slept well, you're like 90% more likely to eat the donut or the croissant. Wow. If you slept well, you have a little juice in the system. You're like, you know what? No, it's not good for me. And I'm going to exercise. Which then also increases your willpower. So you get this really positive loop. So it all starts with sleep. And sleep is determined by your heart rate. So, for example, so four hours before bed, that is going to lower. So when you have that distance, it allows your body to digest the food. It allows your body to say, I'm going to get ready for bed. So it lowers your body temperature, lowers cortisol, increases melatonin. So your body's in a much better state to go to sleep and stay in deep sleep. The second thing is your phone needs to be off an hour before bed. You can't be in bed, scrolling, working, texting. You need this separation because your body, the phone in hand, is going to increase your cortisol, increase your sympathetic activation. You'll Be more anxious. And so you need an hour of separation instead of the phone to go for a walk, talk to a friend, hang out, like breath, work, meditation, read a book, like anything, but be on your phone. That will lower your heart rate. And there's other small things. Like I do this nighttime discussion where I go to bed at 8:30. At 7:30pm evening Brian sleep Brian comes on duty. And Sleep Brian is a version of me that defends my sleep. And so all the Brian's line up. So ambitious Brian lines up. He's always the first one, he wants to work. And he's like, I got a fucking banger idea, right? A brand new thing we're going to do. And Sleep Brian says, we see you, Ambitious Brian. Like, you're doing a good job in life. Keep at it, man. Also, we're getting ready for bed, so we're gonna write down your idea and then tomorrow we'll come back to it. And ambitious Brian's like, are you sure? And sleep Brian's like, yeah, yeah, we got you. So then he goes away. Then anxious Brian shows up and he's like, yo, today when you were with Theo, you said that thing and you were a jackass to him, right? It's like, thank you, Anxious Brian. Great self awareness. Appreciate you. We'll write that down. We're going to hit Theo up tomorrow, make sure we're all good. And then like all the Brian's lineup. And so you know the scene.

A (80:18)

Even get Brian ever show up, he's

B (80:20)

like, hey, let's stay up all the time. Yeah, yeah, dude.

A (80:24)

This Brian is freaking. Leave me alone, Brian.

B (80:27)

Yeah, so you'll see this like, whether you do this or something else. The way this manifests is if you don't do this, you put your head on the pillow and then you loop, right? Like you have these thoughts that just like go and go and go and they're the same thoughts. And then you finally fall asleep, you wake up three hours later, there they are again, looping. And so they cause your heart rate to go up, which causes your sleep to go down, which crashes your willpower, which crashes everything else. So by doing this internal harvesting, you're trying to clean up, you're lowering your heart rate, you're settling yourself down, you're getting to some point of reconciliation. So now you've not eaten for four hours, you've got off your phone and you've got some kind of internal balance. Now you're ready to like, I can put my head on the pillow and have a decent shot At a banger night's sleep. And so basically, I've built my entire life around sleep. Now if you focus on that, it's just like, so much of life is just not doing bad shit. What we talked about before of, like, whether you're happy or not in life is how much you're doing, which you actually don't want to do.

A (81:36)

Yeah.

B (81:38)

And then like, all the other stuff, like all these little things about this and that, like, don't worry about it yet. Just get sleep in place. Get these basic habits in place. Your sleep is gonna make you feel great. And then once you get that in a steady place, you can start layering on good habits. But if you take on too many things, you'll feel overwhelmed.

A (81:55)

Yeah.

B (81:55)

So, like, get that in place. That's like the winner, dude.

A (81:58)

It's like, there's nothing better than when you, like, I'm going to sleep, man. It all sleep. What'd you say?

B (82:08)

How's your sleep?

A (82:09)

My sleep's okay. It's not that great. A lot of times I stay up editing, but. But I also have gotten trapped into a late pattern. So it's like, I could get up earlier. It's just like, I have to line it up earlier. I could get up earlier, get. Get rid of, like, the working out, the meditation, you know, I'll do like some zoom, like, recovery meeting stuff and. And then all that's out of my head.

B (82:33)

Yeah.

A (82:34)

And now the rest of my day feels more. It feels easier no matter what I'm doing, as opposed to these things being later in the day and that I still have to do them. That's one of the biggest traps I set myself up for, is procrastinating. Like, the toughest things right out of the gate. And they even get easier over time.

B (82:51)

Yeah, that's right.

A (82:52)

But like, today I got up, I saw it. I do sauna a lot. That is one thing that I like doing. It just makes me feel activated. And not everybody can have a sauna at home, you know, I don't have, like, a very fancy one. There's a lot of different affordable ones, actually. But that's something that I notice has. Has helped me a lot.

B (83:12)

Are you icing your boys in the sauna?

A (83:13)

Am I seeing my body?

B (83:15)

Your boys, My nuts. Yeah. No, it's a good idea.

A (83:18)

You ice them in the sauna.

B (83:19)

Yeah.

A (83:19)

Whoa, whoa. What do you mean, yeah?

B (83:21)

Yeah. So we did an experiment. So when the testicles get warm, it has all these negative consequences. So it just. It destroys your fertility markers. And so Yep. So what you want, what you can do is on Amazon, you can buy like $8 ice packs that are BPA free, non toxic, put them in the freezer and then just slide them underneath your cotton. So wear cotton underwear and cotton shorts, put them in between the underwear and the shorts and just have them there for the entire session of the sauna session. But we did this. I did the most measured sauna experiment in history. We measured like 250 biomarkers and we did ice on my testicles and we took it off and it annihilated my fertility markers. Now a lot of people will say, like, I don't care about that because I'm not trying to get pregnant or whatever, but it has a whole bunch of negative feedback loop. Like it's a negative feedback loop. You don't want to annihilate them. You want good fertility markers. Even if you're trying to have a baby.

A (84:19)

Yeah. You want your brain to feel like you're like just alive, ready to roll. Yeah. If your brain starts feeling like, oh, these nuts are useless or whatever your brain's like, then what am I sticking around for?

B (84:27)

Yeah. Yeah. What's my. Yeah, my job. Exactly.

A (84:29)

Dang, dude. Now what if you just pour a little bit of cold water on your nuts every now and then? Is that you think that'd be okay?

B (84:34)

I mean, you could, but you got to keep the water cold. It's gotta be. Make sure you keep the temperature as long as you keep temper temperature low. Like whatever, whatever you do. And then after you do it, just clean it with like hydrogen peroxide or something, you know, and then put it back in the freezer. But yeah, I know it's like it's uncomfortable to do it socially. Like, you go out to like a public place and it's like, who's the weird person putting, you know, the ice pack on their balls? You know, but like it legit is. It's good science and it's a good practice.

A (85:04)

So keeping them cool, even if you had to go to the water to go to the ice machine, get you a little sack of ice and just set them on there while you're in there.

B (85:10)

That works. Anything you can do to keep your, your eyes, testicles cold.

A (85:13)

Wow. Is the sauna, is there a certain type of sauna that you really recommend or something that works differently? There's one now, like actually was thinking about getting like an infrared panel put into my sauna. Do you find that there's any help with that sort of thing? I know that's Kind of two different questions.

B (85:28)

Yeah, the, the best evidence is with a dry sauna. And so there's wet, dry and infrared. And wet. The problem is it heats up your skin faster than your core temperature. You're trying to get your core temperature up. So dry sauna, an infrared rarely hits the temperature levels you want. So the best evidence is you want to be between 174Fahrenheit to 212Fahrenheit.

A (85:52)

Oh my God, bro, that's warm.

B (85:54)

That's your window. And then you want to. So what, so what we're doing now is one of the primary benefits of the sauna is when you go in there, your core body temperature, when it gets to about 102 degrees Fahrenheit, it triggers the release of heat shock proteins. So these are like little machines, protein machines that get spun up and they go around and fix shit. They fix broken proteins misfolding. Yeah. Like they're like flooding your body, doing good stuff. But it only gets triggered when your core body temperature hits a certain level. And so if you're not hot enough to sauna. So they're. But they're very hard to measure. So we're currently setting up a lab, a wet lab in my house so we can measure this. We're going to try to measure my heat shock protein release on various temperatures, various durations. So what we've been looking because I've been doing core temperature out of my ear lately. But you can't. The gold standard measurement is rectal. But you've got to do that. You've got to be inside the ass for like two to three minutes with a long probe.

A (86:56)

That's farm work.

B (86:58)

Yeah. So I'm struggling with that one. Like, I do, I do a lot of stuff, but like, man, I was like, guys, can we find an alternative way of doing this? So we're gonna do blood, we're gonna measure heat shock protein release. Cause that's like the goody stuff. Basically, dry sauna somewhere between 174 and 212Fahrenheit for 20 minutes is like a good starting point. And then ice on the boys.

A (87:21)

Ice on the boys while you're in there. And you wanna stay in that sauna for, you said for 15 to 20 minutes above 170 degrees.

B (87:28)

Yeah. That's like a good approximation. That's where the evidence is. It's like, like if you're in that range, you're getting some benefit. I'm trying to go for like max, max benefit. But like, if you're in that temperature range for that duration of time, you're going to get a good benefit.

A (87:40)

Wow, that's fascinating, dude. Yeah, because. And my, my stepsister just got me a sauna hat to wear in the sauna too.

B (87:49)

So that's good.

A (87:50)

Yeah.

B (87:50)

So the heat will dry out your scalp. Yeah, yeah.

A (87:52)

It just seems kind of nice too, if, you know, it's nice to have a little bit of like a fashion accoutrement in there kind of.

B (87:57)

It's made of hemp. Hemp material.

A (87:58)

Yeah, probably something like that.

B (88:00)

Yeah.

A (88:00)

Yeah. One thing, we're trying to make an underwear that's just all cotton, right. And it's American cotton. One of the things I noticed too on underwear, the night band, sometimes the waistband, it's too tight and it makes you go pee all night.

B (88:10)

Yeah, yeah.

A (88:11)

So it's like you got to wake up an extra time or sometimes two. Like if I wear some of these ones that are really constricting, I'm like.

B (88:17)

Yeah.

A (88:18)

So I don't know, I just been trying to think about making a decent pair of britches, bro. Something to hide your cock in or

B (88:24)

whatever while you're sleeping, bro. I hear you, man. This is a sick there problem.

A (88:29)

Yeah, dude, it's crazy. I saw that you went viral not long ago for posting. It was like nighttime erection data. Yeah, take me down that, take me down that wiener road for a second. Ryan, what did you, what did you see here? Nighttime erection data from my 19 year old son. Yeah, and this is definitely. I mean that's one way to build. That's bonding as bonding, dude. Nighttime erection data for my 19 year old son, Talmas Johnson and me. His duration is two minutes longer than mine. Wow. Yet raise children to stand tall, be firm and be upright. That's hilarious. Yeah, I noticed you and your son, do you. He gets involved in a lot of this, right?

B (89:11)

Yeah. He's so cool. He's such a cool cat. He's my second child and he and I are just best friends. We roll and man, like we're like, we're just twins. Like we just like, you know, with Kate, man, I love this kid so much. We have so much fun together.

A (89:31)

Yeah. What makes him so special to you? I mean, it's your son, so that's one thing.

B (89:36)

There he is. I mean that's cool.

A (89:38)

Like he's in shape, huh?

B (89:41)

Who, who would do this with their dad?

A (89:44)

It's a good dude. That's actually the perfect answer. Maybe Voldemort's son or whatever, you know. I'm just joking. I'm just joking, Thomas. No, but. No, you're right. Who would be like, yeah, who would do anything with their dad?

B (89:58)

Look at like the lower left. He's. I have my shirt off. Yeah. He's hugging me. Like, we're doing a shirtless skin to skin photo shoot. Like, what father son does that?

A (90:08)

Seems pretty tribal.

B (90:10)

Yeah, I mean, he's, he's, he's like. And so like we're there. We did the blood transition. He gave me his plasma, I gave my dad my plasma. We did like a trigenerational thing.

A (90:19)

And is that. Was there any helpful stuff in that?

B (90:22)

Yeah. So my, this, the origin behind that is. My dad called me in a panic and he said, like, I. He said, I just wrote this thing for work. I stepped away from my desk, came back to it. It was gibberish. He's like, I'm freaking out. And so that day, my team and I had a call about plasma exchanges. Like, the idea of you, like, there was a study where a old mouse and a young mouse were sewed together and they shared a circulatory system. The old mouse got younger.

A (90:50)

They were sewn together.

B (90:50)

Yeah. Like, they shared a system. That's kind of a shitty, shitty mouse. Right. Like to be that mouse in that experiment. But the old mouse got younger. And so there was this idea, like, what's happening? Right? Could you replicate the results there by taking plasma that is youthful and give it to someone that is older? And so my. I was like, dad, if you want to do this, I'm happy to give you my plasma. Like, you know, because there were some studies being shown. Yeah.

A (91:16)

If. And then you siphon Talmage. Anyway,

B (91:20)

so he, he heard, he heard me. Talmage heard us talking about. He's like, hey, like, wow, if you want me in, like, I'm. I'm happy to be in. I'm like, you guys, this is perfect. A tri generational plasma exchange.

A (91:30)

That shit's dope, dude.

B (91:32)

Yeah. So we did it. And interesting. My dad, his speed of aging. It's like there's a clock inside your body of how fast or how slow you're aging. His speed of aging dropped by the equivalent of 25 years. So his body had a dramatic reduction of how fast he was aging from getting my plasma.

A (91:49)

How are you able to quantify that?

B (91:51)

Looking at something called DNA methylation. So your body basically has these chemical signatures of like, what does your body look like? A 13 year old, a 20 year old, a. A 45 year old. It's like an emergent science.

A (92:01)

So it is like metadata almost.

B (92:03)

Yeah, exactly. And so, like, it's a new area of science. It's still emerging. It's not yet gold standard. So, like, you know, it's not like the, like, blood work is the gold standard marker, but this is cool. And so, yeah, my dad's metadata changed dramatically. My biomarkers didn't. So when. When my son Talmadge gave me his plasma, my biomarkers did not change. Which, like, makes sense because my biomarkers are already like his. We're already of comparable health, but my dads are not as good as mine. So, yeah, that was the behind that. So, like, my son. Yeah, like, he.

A (92:34)

That's cool.

B (92:35)

Yeah, but, like, he's. He's. He's a. Yes and guy.

A (92:38)

Oh, nice.

B (92:39)

So, like, anything I say or anything I do, he's always like, dad. Yeah. And, you know, like when I did the Livestream mushrooms, he's like, I'm in and I want to hang out with you. And so he's just like. He's such a cool dude.

A (92:50)

I want to talk about the mushroom stuff and. But take me back to the erections.

B (92:55)

What?

A (92:56)

And that's the only time I'll ever say that. Probably

B (93:01)

it's like the time you were gay. Everyone's a little gay, for one.

A (93:05)

Oh, dude. People's all a little bit gay, bro. You fucking tickle anybody if you tickle somebody hard enough to admit it.

B (93:11)

Yeah.

A (93:13)

What did you notice about erections? Yeah, what did you guys find out here? Because you and your son both took this. Is it a test? What did you guys do to study it?

B (93:21)

Yeah. So the idea behind this is how do you tell if somebody's in good health? You can, like, look. You can look at them. Like, what is the skin quality? Like, what are their muscles? Are they aerobically fit? It turns out that nighttime erections for men is a major marker for health and that if a man is not having erections at night when he's asleep, it's representative of much larger problems in the body. But before we did this, nobody talked about this idea. But every night you go to bed, your body goes through a natural process of erection cycles. So men have between three and five erections every single night. It's not sexual. Your body is just, like, pulsing the system. Females have the same thing. So females also have these arousal cycles. They're clitoris, engorges. So we can measure a man's erection. So we have this little device you put on the base of the penis and you go to sleep. You think it's annoying, but it's actually fine. You don't even feel it. And you wake up in the morning and it gives you a readout how many erections you had, how long they were, and then the strength, the erections, and what it's basically doing is it's telling you the health of your cardiovascular system, your psychological health, and your physiological health. So if your dick is broken, something else is broken about you. And you can also use it as an age marker because as you age, like a healthy 18 year old will have something like two and a half hours of nighttime erections. And by the time you get to 70 years old, it's down to like 51 minutes. So it declines with age.

A (94:53)

Papa's still rocking though.

B (94:55)

Yeah. So mine are my best is like 3 hours and 52 minutes in one night.

A (95:01)

Yeah.

B (95:01)

Yeah. So I'm at the 99.9 percentile for nighttime erections. And this is a cool marker because, like, people can, can look at me and say, bro, you still look 48. I don't think any of your shit's working. And the way to counteract that is when you go to bed, your body just does it. Like, I can't change if I have erections at night or not. I can't think about having sex. Like, your body just does it.

A (95:25)

Right.

B (95:25)

So it basically is a question of like, my body is behaving like an 18 year old. Like better than an average 18 year old.

A (95:32)

Yeah.

B (95:33)

And so that's like a good marker of like, is my stuff working or not? Yeah. So that's what this whole idea. So actually I was teaching my son, I was like, hey man, how are you doing? Because as a good father would want his son to be healthy and he's like, I want to measure it. So he's a very healthy 18 year old. And I was trying to demonstrate that I'm 48 years old, he's 20. Our bodies basically are behaving the same. So you have people, like, definitely had a lot to say about this post.

A (96:02)

Yeah, well, it's. I mean, it's pretty fascinating, you know, when you think about that. Yet 34 million views on this.

B (96:08)

It. But like, that's not even like it went so much more viral than that.

A (96:12)

That's insane, bro.

B (96:13)

Yeah, yeah.

A (96:14)

But dang, also, it's a great business card for your son in the dating world.

B (96:20)

Yeah. Like, you know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (96:22)

Or the longevity world. I mean, it's just like. Yeah. If that's something that's just like, it's your nature that it's going to show up at night? Because. Yeah, I notice that. I definitely. If I wake up with an erection, I do feel more like, okay, I'm viral or virile, and I'm rocking, you know, And I still got it. You know what I'm saying? And bring on the day.

B (96:40)

Yeah. You remember, Theo, like, when you were, like, early teens.

A (96:43)

Oh, yeah.

B (96:44)

You're always erect, like in the middle of the day, you have. You just become erect.

A (96:49)

Yeah, I remember walking down the hall and having to, like, lean my body inward, like to. Or, like, walk with your.

B (96:54)

Just your book over your.

A (96:55)

Yes. Holding your book back and wearing your book bag on the front.

B (96:58)

Yeah.

A (96:58)

Or just. Or I'd walk and, like, just at school, I would just point my body towards the wall and just walk sideways and just. Weird shit.

B (97:06)

Yeah, exactly.

A (97:07)

Just cocking around.

B (97:08)

That's like a robust function. But then as you. As you age. Right. They just disappear.

A (97:14)

Yeah.

B (97:14)

And so that's why it's so important. So I talk about it because people who don't have. Men who do not. Do not have robust nighttime erections are 70% more likely to have a cardiac event. So, like, you, like, you really want to know?

A (97:26)

Yeah.

B (97:26)

If it's not working, other stuff is going on. And so. Yeah.

A (97:30)

Wow. A lot of my. Yeah, there was a long time where I didn't. Because a lot of it was psychological, too.

B (97:35)

I think.

A (97:35)

I was just. There was something going on in my head that wasn't healthy. You had mentioned you had an experience. I have to pee really quick now. We just took a urine break, dude. I pee long when I pee, dude. Because I drink a lot of fluids during the day.

B (97:51)

Yeah.

A (97:52)

Is that good or bad, you think? Does it matter?

B (97:53)

Yeah, yeah.

A (97:54)

Do you cut off fluids at a certain time at the end of the day so you don't wake up to pee at night?

B (97:59)

Yeah, so I, like. I measure. What I did is I measured my fluid. So when I exercise and when I'm in the sauna, I'm able to exercise how much I measure how much I sweat. So Gatorade has a patch. Just put it on the inside of your forearm, and then it gives you how much you sweat and also the content of your sodium. So you have like a kind of a baseline. And then you have an idea of, like, you can back into how much should you consume and should you supplement with the sodium or do you already have that? So, yeah, I consume about 120 to 130 ounces of water per day, so. A lot like you, I front load it in the morning and I stop around 4 to 5. So. Yeah, so that then helps me lessen the number of times I need to get up. So sometimes if I'm lucky, I'll sleep the entire night. And then other times, like probably half the nights, you know, I'll get up once. But yeah, I stop fluid towards the end of the day to stop getting up at night.

A (98:52)

So you'll stop it kind of right after you eat dinner?

B (98:54)

Yeah, because. Well, actually I eat dinner at like 11am Noon. I have my final meal of the day around noon.

A (99:00)

Oh, you do?

B (99:01)

Yeah.

A (99:02)

And when do you have your first meal then?

B (99:04)

When I wake up at six.

A (99:05)

Okay.

B (99:05)

I wake up like at four or five. Like four or five. And then I'll have breakfast before I eat.

A (99:09)

So you eat breakfast? Yeah, like so many things that are like, don't eat breakfast. I feel better when I don't eat breakfast and I eat later in the day and I keep it into a smaller eating window. But you don't. That's not your practice.

B (99:20)

Yeah. Like do your thing. Right?

A (99:21)

You're saying do your thing.

B (99:22)

Yeah, exactly. I do your thing. But I like what I. I built my life around sleep, like unquestionably. So the reason I do that is because if I have my last meal around noon, my heart before part, before I go to bed will be around 41, 42, 43 beats per minute. It which if I have that, I will have a perfect night's sleep. I'll get like four to four and a half hours of restorative sleep. I'll fall asleep within one minute. Half the nights I will not get up. Other nights I'll wake up, I'll be back to sleep within a minute or two. And then once I have that kind of sleep profile, I feel like I can take on life. When I don't sleep well, it's like, like crawl, man, it sucks. I. I hate how I feel.

A (100:08)

Everything goes downhill. Everything does. The way I treat other people, the way I treat myself. Like you're saying, yeah, last night sleep was bad. Might as well wreck the rest of the day. You know, there's this.

B (100:17)

Yeah, yeah.

A (100:18)

There's this like regenerative thing that sort of continues to happen.

B (100:21)

Yeah.

A (100:22)

Do you take any supplements for sleeping?

B (100:27)

I take 300mcgs of melatonin. So that's not to be confused with a milligram. It is like a third of a milligram.

A (100:35)

Okay.

B (100:35)

So very, very light dose. That's all I take.

A (100:38)

And a powder or Chewable or what?

B (100:39)

Just I take a plant based melatonin. Yeah. Instead of synthetic, but otherwise people have their sleep stacks. They have like the magnesiums and like, cool, but I just don't need it. Yeah. What I've learned is that the body is a clock. It loves consistency. And so we've measured this. Where your body wants to run, it runs certain biochemical processes on certain timeframes. So for example, if Your bedtime is 10pm and you miss it, you say like, I'm gonna go to bed at 2am today, but I'll make up for it. I'll sleep in till 10, I get my full eight hours. It doesn't work like that. So at 10pm your body has a trash collector that rolls through the body and it picks up the trash. If you're not in bed at 10pm and asleep, the trash collector doesn't come and the trash accumulates in the body. And so it's more important to be on time and consistent. Otherwise, like the body's processes can't do its thing. So that's what I've learned is like, you have to treat the body like a system. You can't just be like, fuck it, I'm gonna like power over it. Or like run. You can't. Like the body runs on certain principles of biology. You can't overrule it.

A (101:50)

Wow. And it kind of makes sense because even your brain, like your brain's main job is just to keep things organized. Your body just wants to. Yeah, A system just wants to run in an organized fashion.

B (102:01)

Yeah, exactly.

A (102:02)

Yeah.

B (102:03)

Like you were saying, like when we first started talking. It's like you have a plan, you have a routine. Like it feels good, you like mentally it feels good, the body feels good. It's just better to have that.

A (102:12)

I read somewhere that you spend like a couple million dollars a year to take care of yourself and to learn data. What is, what does that financially look like for you, really? Is that the truth?

B (102:23)

That was true, I think, initially. Okay. I think it's a bit less now because we have all these systems built out. But the cost primarily came from hiring the doctors, hiring the scientists. So we had to comb through all the scientific evidence. For example, if you do sauna, how do you do sauna? What temperature? What kind of sauna? How long do you ice your testicles or not? How do you measure your heat shock proteins? Like the little minions going out doing the good shit. You have to go to this degree, which is extensive. And then I bought a bunch of equipment, like I Have a couple, like, I don't know, a million or two of equipment at the house, all the various things, and then just all the money for the experimentation and measurement. But the actual things we've learned are low cost. Like, I can take everything I've learned and give it to somebody and they can put it into their life, like, at a very, very low cost. So it's been really just about. There's actually very few therapies that cost a lot of money that are worth it. Most things don't work. Most things are bullshit. And so that's been the process of spending the money to figure out what does work and then how those things work.

A (103:29)

What about red light therapy? Do you think that's helpful?

B (103:31)

See, this is. The thing is, yes, but you have to make sure that you're getting the right amount of red light therapy for the right duration of time. And so if it's like a face mask, whether it's a panel. And so we do things like, we'll take a panel, we'll measure the irradiance, like how much exposure you're getting at what distance, what duration, if you're looking for, like, deep healing or longevity. So again, like, I don't want to make this overly complicated, but it matters. And so we try to be very precise. Like, if you're doing red light therapy, get this dose. And now you can just go to an AI model and be like, I have this device, it has these specs. If I want a longevity protocol, how long should I have this? That gives you the data, but you want to be precise. Because a lot of people think, like, red light's good, I'll just do it. And it's great. It's more nuanced.

A (104:16)

I was talking about a naturopath, ophthalmologist, and she was saying that some exposure to red light therapy can be helpful.

B (104:23)

Yeah, I do it every day. I do red light. I have three panels that surround me that's red and near light. I do it for six minutes a day.

A (104:31)

Okay.

B (104:31)

So I do every day. It's a good therapy.

A (104:32)

Got it. What about like barometric. Those, you know, those like barometric chambers. You see a lot of those at wellness centers. You know, I'll go to a place where I get NAD every week and I'll do NAD injections every day. Are you do. Is. Is the barometric thing something you.

B (104:49)

Yeah.

A (104:50)

Recommend.

B (104:50)

Yeah. So I have a hyperbaric oxidant therapy chain.

A (104:53)

That's what I mean. Hyperbaric.

B (104:54)

Yeah. So it's. It's Potentially it's right there at the very, very top. So I'd say sauna, hyperbaric oxygen therapy and like interestingly mushrooms, magic mushrooms is up there. But yeah, hyperbaric is one of the best therapies like we all do with our experiments. I did a 250 biomarker measurement and what we saw after 60 sessions. Yeah, there we go. There's the system. We saw changes in my brain, in my microbiome, my skin, my blood. Inflammation like telomeres. It just had more whole body effects. If you pull up, find the one I did on X. Brian Johnson HBOT summary It's the best skin rejuvenation protocol in the world. It rebuilds collagen, elastin fibers. It gets rid of senescent cells which are zombie cel.

A (105:54)

How long do you need to be in there for?

B (105:56)

That's the thing That's a problem. 90 minutes per day per session. And you need to do 60. Yeah, there we go. That's a good summary. So it does 60 sessions each, 90 minutes in 90 days. So it's a gigantic amount of time. Yeah. And you can't have electronics in there. It's too dangerous. So yeah, this is the thing is it's. It's really inaccessible. Which is sad because it's so good.

A (106:22)

300% increase in formation of new blood vessels. Telomerance activity of a 12 year old associated with biological age. 290% increase in short chain fatty acids. But you'd have to do this and then keep it up for every year, right?

B (106:36)

Yeah, actually. So people don't really know we're experimenting. But right Now I'm doing 60 sessions per year in like a big burst. And then I'll do like a 20 session burst once per quarter. And so I'll do this around for example like a certain treatment. Like Thursday I had a bunch of stuff done to my face. So my. You see how I'm beat up? I've got like stuff all over the place.

A (106:57)

Yes.

B (106:58)

Like under I have like bruised.

A (107:01)

Yeah, you're a damn lab rat. You're a damn white mouse.

B (107:05)

Yeah, it's like we, as you age you, you lose collagen and so your skin like gets saggy and less plump.

A (107:14)

Pump.

B (107:14)

And so I did a bunch of injectables to rebuild my collagen.

A (107:17)

Okay.

B (107:18)

And so that's why I'm bruised and stuff like that. But then you pair that with hyperbaric oxygen therapy and like boost the therapy.

A (107:24)

Got it. So yeah, so that's the thing. So say If I'm gonna go get an NAD injection or an IV every week, and it's gonna take two hours anyway, while I'll sit in there, I might as well sit in the hyperbaric while I do it. If there's one there. Or do you think if I only go 50 times in a year is even worth it?

B (107:38)

I mean, you, like, there are. You can do like, one session is good for you.

A (107:44)

Got it.

B (107:44)

And you can do five. Also good for you. There's like, protocols that on healing, like, diabetics will do like 10 to 20 sessions to close open wounds because it's really great for healing. This is just like the longevity protocol. So you can do fewer sessions and still do it, but you want to have it. It's a compounded therapy. So do them in close proximity, but no more than five per week. Your body needs to have a break.

A (108:07)

Got it?

B (108:08)

Yeah.

A (108:09)

Yeah. I saw you do the mushroom therapy, and that's one of the things that kind of brought me, like, made me think, like, okay, this guy. It's not like, you know, this guy's really. He's still out there experimenting and wanting to learn more. Right. What was that therapy like for you? And was. Were you surprised by it? And was it psilocybin? I guess the. And the effects.

B (108:26)

Yeah, that this is one of the coolest discoveries we've made is psilocybin sits in the world of psychedelics, but it's never been bridged over to longevity. That's a different way of thinking about psilocybin and talking about it. And so we said, can we do an experiment to see is our magic mushrooms a longevity therapy? So same thing. We measured 250 biomarkers and the data was insane. Surprisingly so. Like, we found this new thing where there were studies in mice that showed that the blood glucose improved. In me, my blood glucose went from 98.2 percentile in the population good. To 99.8 percentile. I think something like that. Like, it almost hit like a metabolic reset in the brain, resetting your blood glucose regulation, which is gigantic. It. It took my inflammation levels down to undetectable. It had changes in my microbiome. I list them all out here. Yeah. It legit is a longevity therapy.

A (109:36)

It reduced inflammation and below detectable calm my body and mind. Lower cortisol inhibited HPA axis. In the days following the dose made

B (109:45)

neuroplasticity in the brain takes your brain to a more youthful state.

A (109:48)

Wow. So you guys did a lot of treatment while you were under this and Then put this into your protocol after that.

B (109:55)

Yeah. Yep. So we. It's really early days. Nobody knows the ideal protocol, but right now it's like once every 30 days. Seems to be about right.

A (110:05)

And how much mushrooms you taking?

B (110:08)

25 milligrams of psilocybin.

A (110:11)

Okay.

B (110:11)

So then it depends upon the strain. So I did the B positive mushroom strain. So it's like four and a half grams of dried mushroom powder, which then was the 25 milligrams of psilocybin.

A (110:23)

So that's a real trip kind of.

B (110:24)

Yeah, it's clinical grade. It's like, it's just below a. Eco dissolution.

A (110:29)

Wow. So you have to be like, in a say, you got to chill out somewhere.

B (110:33)

Yeah, you gotta. Yeah. You don't want to beat the club.

A (110:35)

Right. And what about. But you. But you. But that was so helpful that you. Now it's part of the protocol.

B (110:43)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (110:43)

Wow.

B (110:44)

Yeah. Yeah. We're doing our next psychedelic live stream in three weeks. We're doing a new psychedelic. Oh, yeah. This is cool. So, yeah, Kate did it with me.

A (110:53)

Oh, your girl did it. And your son did the first one.

B (110:56)

He just showed up. So at the end of when I was coming down, he showed up with my dad.

A (111:01)

Oh, that's crazy.

B (111:02)

Oh, we had such a good family bonding moment, you know? Cause, like, you're in that state and I was just giddy and euphoric and I was able to express things to my dad. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man, that's huge. And so then, yeah, so we did this. We see the temperature. When you take psilocybin, your body changes in its thermal regulation, so the extremities get a lot colder. You have a lot of heat going inside. So we did that as a measurement. But yeah, so we're looking at our next psychedelic because there's like a few things. Like, we did psilocybin, but other contenders are Ayahuasca 5 Meo. What else did we look at? Yeah, so we're doing one live streaming in three weeks.

A (111:50)

Wow, that's amazing. Yeah.

B (111:51)

Ayahuasca has been one that you should.

A (111:54)

I've done it before. It's been amazing.

B (111:55)

You should come on. So last time we did this, we had people who came on to work because I was tripping. And we had a bunch of people who were commentators who were like, what's good? Like, almost like fight show stuff. Like you. Yeah, you should come on and be a commentator.

A (112:10)

Dang, bro. That would be so wild to commentate somebody who's going through an ayahuasca. Experience. I'm not opposed to that. Where are you based out of?

B (112:19)

Well, we'll do it internationally, so.

A (112:22)

Oh, you have to, I guess.

B (112:23)

Yes, but it'll just be online. Yeah, just like, we just bridge you in. It's like, you know, it's like. It'd be fun, actually. It'd be fun to get a few comedians come in, like, you know, give, give, give their two cents on, like, what's going on?

A (112:36)

And are there any psychedelics that you would say are definitively bad for your brain?

B (112:43)

I don't know. I don't know the answer to that.

A (112:46)

Is there any, like, therapy that you went and tried and you were like, oh, this is definitely not it. Or, like, was there ever a place where you got scared? Like, you went to, like, you know, Romania or someplace? You know, I'm just hypothesizing, but yeah,

B (112:59)

I mean, like, if you pull up that image of my face that blew up, you had it up there before? I. Yeah.

A (113:05)

So that's you?

B (113:06)

That's me, yeah. So I got really skinny in the early days of this project. Really, really skinny. And I lost a bunch of volume in my face. And so when you lose volume in your face, it's very hard to get back volume. So most people just do filler, but I didn't want to do filler. And so we did this renova, which is this fat. So someone else was fat. So I injected it to my face and I had a severe reaction. So that was. So that didn't work, bro.

A (113:34)

That's crazy, dude. I. I saw this earlier and I was thinking, like, who is this lady that they're bringing up? I thought this was like a native American woman. Yeah, I totally thought this was a native.

B (113:46)

Yeah, like the. On the. On the far right there, that was me, like, like 45 minutes after the injection, I was like, oh, this is not a good situation. It took me, like, six days to calm down. It was bad.

A (113:59)

That's pretty scary, dude. Spending all this time working on yourself, right? How do you stay out of, like, ego with it? Because it's such a self. You know, in the end, there's. There is some ego because it's you. You're the. You're your own experiment, you know? And then what are some of the side. Like, what does it cost you? Like, what have been some of the things? Like, have there been relationships you haven't been able to have? Like, has it been tough to, like, spend time with family? Like, what are some things? What are the side effects of being like, you know, one of the biggest experiments in. In. In history.

B (114:32)

Yeah. I mean, that's. That's like one of the primary criticisms I get is people say, you know, bro so busy trying to not die, he forgot how to live. And I understand what they're saying. I definitely understand the perspective. And I view myself as a modern day explorer, somebody who is out there on the frontier trying to discover something new. And, man, I fucking love this so much. I love this game so much. I'm into it. When I wake up in the morning. It's the first thing I think about all day long. What is the experiment? What is the data? What is the science?

A (115:09)

I love it.

B (115:10)

And so I think people just don't understand that it's a game I'm in love with. And so, you know, is there a cost? Yes. Like, are my friends going out and doing things sometimes that I don't do? Yes. Like, do I feel a loss? No. Like, I'm very happy with the situation. And so, like, in some ways, like, I'm a new kind of athlete. I'm a professional rejuvenation athlete. Like, LeBron goes to bed on time, he eats well, and we're like, like, oh, man. Like, you. You play well on the court. People just don't understand. I'm a new archetype. They haven't ever seen it before. So it's like just like a disconnect between that. It is cool. Like, I love the hate. It's like, great energy. Right. Like, it's just a lot of discussion.

A (115:47)

Yeah. And there's just a lot of confusion around it, you know?

B (115:49)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (115:49)

I think you just don't know, especially at a time when there's, like, these tech lords who. It seems like they want to, like, siphon everybody's andro chronome or whatever. Have you had anybody hit you up about getting some Adrena crowd chrome or whatever?

B (116:02)

Yeah, everybody has reached out to me. Like, everybody. Top to bottom, you name it. And like, it's just like, what, you know, what gives you a feeling of power, you know, like money, status or immortality. Like immortality, Right. The other things, hook everlasting, they just don't care. It's like they just don't pale. Like, this is what I'm saying. Like, this transition's happening. What good is money if you're dead? What good is status if you're dead?

A (116:35)

Any world leaders reached out?

B (116:37)

Yes. Yeah. So it's just like, what world do

A (116:40)

you think they're from?

B (116:41)

I mean, they all want it. They all want to be healthy.

A (116:46)

Any world leader just hit you up, straight up, call you right up.

B (116:49)

Yeah.

A (116:49)

Wow.

B (116:50)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like, from everybody.

A (116:53)

Are you at liberty to say or. No, you keep it.

B (116:54)

I can't. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah.

A (116:56)

I had to ask.

B (116:57)

Yeah. I mean, there was like, this moment where shipping and. And Putin, they had this hot mic issue a couple, like, months ago where they're both like, yeah, like, you know, looks like we should be able to live, like, 150 years old.

A (117:09)

I remember that.

B (117:09)

Yeah. So it's like, it's on their minds. Like, it's clearly in the zeitgeist. And if you're in that circle, as I've watched this, like, it's funny, in the world of status and power, the. The new status marker is health. Like, that's what gives people power. And now having a big bank account, sure, it's cool, whatever, but it doesn't matter as much. So it really is this big zeitgeist change on what it means to be powerful in society and have status. So I love seeing it. The more that happens, the better off.

A (117:40)

Do you have competitors out there? Are there other yous out there that you start to run across from different realms or different countries or whatever?

B (117:47)

I mean, anyone who's trying, I love it. I'm a very much a yes and kind of guy. Like, anyone's out there experimenting, great. You know, like, do your thing. Be beautiful. So, yeah, I really tried to encourage everybody. People will call me and they'll be like, I'm gonna beat you at your markers. I'm like, great. I will help you. Right? Like, I will make you better. Like, I will. You'll have to make the same. Make the same mistakes. I have. So we're just. When you think about it, we are. The whole situation is so fucked up. We're on planet Earth in the middle of space. What is even going on? Right? And it's like, this is so crazy. And, like, the fact that we're conscious is so cool. The fact that we're live is so amazing. Like, why wouldn't we do absolutely everything in our power to keep this game going? Like, I don't want it to stop. And so, like, to me, it's the coolest game. And so, yeah, it's like, celebrate everybody who's trying to embrace life and, like, honestly get fucking rid of everybody who's trying to kill us. Like, stop it. Stop the fucking killing. It's so crazy and stupid.

A (118:48)

Have you had to separate some relationships because your journey Went in this direction kind of.

B (118:52)

Yep. My friends are more like me than I ever would have guessed. Now, like, they go to bed on time. Right. They see it. So I'd say my friend group, we now do things together. And so no, I don't miss out much. Like, there's some things like for example, Grimes did a. She did a DJ set and she started at 1. So I went to bed at 7pm I woke up like at 9.30pm and then I went out, did her set with her, then went back back to bed. I dealt with Aoki as well. So, like I. I've been trying to like be balanced of like be rigid. Also, the rest of the world parties at one o' clock in the morning, so. And I still had like a great sleep score. I still got my restorative sleep. So, like, I have tried my best to go after this goal of don't die, but also like, try to find some compromise in doing things that are currently normal in today's society.

A (119:47)

Do you feel addicted to wanting to not die?

B (119:51)

I mean, probably, right? Like the same way, like, are people addicted to making money? Yeah, you know, are people addicted to social media? Yeah, like the human condition is kind of addiction. And so, like, am I. Yeah, I'm lost in this. I don't think I've ever felt as satisfied and fulfilled as I do now.

A (120:10)

Wow.

B (120:11)

I've got a fantastic family. I have a fantastic partner. I love the game I'm playing. I just, you know, like, I went through like 10 years of chronic depression, like legit wanted to kill myself. And I would have done it had it not been for my kids. So, like, I know what shitty feels like. Like when you're just like, you're so buried deep and it's like, I don't know how I'm gonna get out of this. Like, it's just bad.

A (120:33)

What started the cause of that?

B (120:34)

Do you think I'd. Well, a couple things. One, I just had my first baby and he was colicky and so we weren't sleeping. It was like six months of total sleep deprivation. I was building a startup, so I had no money. I was stressed out of my mind. My partner wasn't working, so I was the sole provider. And so it's just like no sleep and startup and no money. And like, I think it just got me. And then once it got me, like, it's very hard to wrestle your way out of it. When my circumstances didn't change, like, I still had no money, I still had to make my, my startup work. And so then I just got deeper and deeper, and then, like, it just kind of cascaded into, like, really bad. So I'm. I'm so grateful I didn't commit suicide, you know?

A (121:15)

So how much does the. You take care of yourself? So much physically. You have so much information about that. How much. How much are you able to attach your mental to that as well? Or what do you notice about the physical. Mental relationship?

B (121:29)

Yeah, that if. When people. So right now, if somebody is suffering from anxiety, depression, or something else, the first move mostly is to take a pill. Right? Like, get on some kind of.

A (121:43)

Yeah.

B (121:43)

And so the first move is really to fix your sleep. And the way to fix your sleep is to lower your heart rate. Lower the heart rate. You have your last meal of the day. Like. Like, do all these different steps. Now, that's not gonna fix everybody's issues, but having good sleep in place is the most powerful thing anybody can do in their life on any condition. And then once you have that in place, like, if you need to look at other options, cool. But most of the time, people don't look at the very basic things, like, are you going to bed on time? Like, when are you eating that last meal? What's your heart rate? So I have found that when my body is operating well, my mind operates well. It's a very symbiotic relationship that you literally are what you consume. You know, social media, food, all the above. And so I don't talk about mental health as directly. I talk about get the basics right, and you see the boost in your mental health. Like, if I talk to entrepreneurs, I'll say in the room, like, over half of you are in a current mental health crisis, and the room always goes dead quiet. They know I'm right. I see it in their eyes. Right? Like, they had a happy face on. They're, like, smiling like, yeah, I got this going on. But inside they're dying.

A (123:00)

Yeah.

B (123:01)

And you know, you can feel it. And so when I say that and I puncture it, and it's like, that's true. Like, you guys. Like, it's not good to build a company when you're suicidal.

A (123:12)

Right?

B (123:13)

Right. Like, no one's winning here. So, like, get your shit together. You can build a great company. You can be ambitious. You can be epic. Like, sleep. And, like, so that's really. I mean, I wish somebody would have been in my life to tell me that. Like, hey, man, I see you're ambitious. Like, you have big plans for life. But, like, let me just kind of help you get some basics right.

A (123:29)

Yeah. Having somebody mitigate, having somebody help you, set some parameters, it's just so hard and it's hard to believe. It's like, you know, I remember grinding so hard for a few years and I had like a mental breakdown. Kind of like this is about four or five years ago. I almost literally felt something snap in my brain.

B (123:42)

Me too.

A (123:43)

Too.

B (123:43)

You remember the day, that moment?

A (123:45)

Yeah, I remember. Yeah, I do remember. I had some shows that were in, they were up in California. They weren't. Yeah. And I literally had to cancel them the day of.

B (123:55)

Yeah.

A (123:56)

Never had to do that in my life. I said if I have to walk out there, I, I, I physically cannot do it anymore. And the whole time before that I thought that I just wasn't trying hard enough.

B (124:07)

Yeah, 100% right. I, I would mirror your experience. I had the same thing.

A (124:11)

Yeah. Would you, do you have to go to therapy or something?

B (124:14)

No. I was in the parking lot in Orem, Utah with my brother in a red Saturn and I said he was my business partner at the time and I said, Jason, I was talking to him about like I'm feeling depressed, I just like can't quite do things. And in that conversation something like snapped. Like I almost like physically heard a snap. But I'm like, me too. Something just broke in my brain and my brother was like, just try harder. Right. I don't think he understood. If you haven't been depressed, you don't know. But I will never ever forget that moment. It was like 5:30 in the evening, it was just sunsetting and that put me on a 10 year long hole. And so like, you know, I'm so empathetic to people. Like I think it is so much more common, common than, than we talk, than like people talk about.

A (125:07)

I do think that like you said earlier that when you said a lot like you were in a, in that meeting and you said a lot of people here are, are struggling or barely holding on. I do think that that that kind of thing is the truth. That like we're all just in this space where we're pretty close to exactly, we're just holding on.

B (125:26)

Yeah, that's a much better way of saying it.

A (125:27)

But like, but then we're so used to surviving at that space too, you start to think that, that that's supposed to be the norm and it's not exactly right.

B (125:34)

Yeah, yeah, it's very real and like it hurts and it sucks. It's no safe place to go. Like who do you tell us about is it Safe, is it not? Will you be penalized?

A (125:42)

Yeah.

B (125:43)

So it's a tough. And then like the world is so brutal on you, you can't trust anyone. Everyone's after you. Tough space.

A (125:49)

Yeah. And the truth is probably to say what is going on?

B (125:53)

Yeah.

A (125:53)

You know, but it's so hard. Last question. With AI, you know, AI and things are happening so fast and differently now. Do you think that, that that will have a large effect on.

B (126:06)

On.

A (126:08)

On don't die? On how we can live? On the possibility to live forever or to have a longer life expectancy. And do you use AI with your own data to help create any sort of real information?

B (126:22)

Yeah, this. Well, what a lot of people don't know is this entire project I'm doing is about AI. It's not about health. And so like, what do you mean? Yeah, so I did this when I was 21 years old. I had this ambition that I wanted to do something that would be useful to the human race. Like that was my ambition. I don't know why, but I just like I really cared about being useful to humanity. I didn't know what to do. I wasn't good at anything. I was kind of shitty at most everything. And so I said, okay, I'm going to become an entrepreneur, I'm going to make a whole bunch of money. Then by age 30, with money, I'm going to do something epic in the world. And so I did that. By 34 years old, I sold my company for $800 million. But at 34, I was burnt to a crisp. I just smoked and so I needed to recover. But then I had basically this open question, like, now I have money, what do you do? And so when you have basically unlimited optionality in the world. So I spent 10 years trying to figure that out. And I did one thought experiment which really helped bring clarity is I imagined trans. Imagine. Imagine traveling in time to the year 2500, so a few hundred years into the future, and there you are sitting among those that exist. Like, are they human? Are they AI? We don't know. But there they are talking and they're reflecting on the early 21st century, our time, and they're saying, we appreciate Homo sapiens that lived in the early 21st century because they on depend blank that allowed intelligence to still exist in the universe. What'd they do? They didn't destroy themselves. And I thought about that question for years. I think they say two things. One is they say that's when Homo sapiens gave birth to superintelligence. The second Thing they say is, they say the second thing that they'd figured out is that they wouldn't die. That they transformed, transformed society from a culture of die of like, I will pillage you for my profit or I will yolo my way to death to exchange for this to existence itself is the highest value. There's nothing more valuable than existence, and we will do anything to fight for our existence. And so the principles we talked about today of, like, care, like our society would be better off if we really cared for each other. If you really could trust each other, like genuinely trust. And so what I'm trying to do technically is when you. It's like, pretty technical. Entropy is the final boss of the universe. So entropy is the disorder of things, the second law of thermodynamics. So eventually, like a warm cup of coffee goes cold, suns burn out, bodies die. Like, things just naturally decay. And so the number one enemy of the universe is decay and disorder. And life is a rebellion against disorder. Like we somehow survive. And so what I'm trying to build, like, my whole goal is to say, as a species, our number one goal is to build a new antientropic system, like a new life system that makes fighting for life the number one goal for all things. And you can measure entropy or death in all things. You can measure it in a physical system, you can measure it in a biological system, but you can basically build it computationally. So that's like a whole bunch of stuff. But the goal is you can measure death, you can build protections against death, you can do it in the body, you can do it in physical systems, you can align yourself with AI. It's like, it's a new ideology, right. That I want it to become the fastest growing ideology in human history, that it helps you understand existence, and it's competitive with any major ideology. So there's like, I need, like, honestly, like, 60 minutes to explain it, because I know it's like I just jammed it up. But it's basically a new way to exist that, like, reframes our reality.

A (130:28)

Well, I do understand what you're saying in the sense that a lot of history, people have lived as if we die.

B (130:34)

Yeah, Right. Yeah.

A (130:35)

Okay. One day we die. There's an afterlife. You can live forever somewhere else. You can live extensively somewhere else. But then to have this concept and to really live as if don't die.

B (130:47)

Yes.

A (130:48)

Then now, how do you live?

B (130:49)

Yes. Right.

A (130:50)

And that's a whole reframing of things. Right. But I do understand that, that once you reframe it, it's like, oh, wow. Well, a lot more of, yeah, if the afterlife or a lot of it can be here.

B (131:05)

Yes, exactly.

A (131:06)

Then what rules change for me? What rules change in the world and how does it affect how I play the game?

B (131:15)

Exactly right. And like, the thing cool is don't die is that you can be Christian and don't die. You can be Muslim and don't die. You can be capitalist and don't die. You can be anything and don't die. Because don't die just says, nobody wants to die right now. It says nothing about five years from now or 20 years from now. The single thing that every human agrees to in this moment, one thing, nobody wants to die right now. That's it. After that, there's no agreement on anything. And so if you build artificial superintelligence and you're like, what do you do with it? It's like, help me make more money, help me become better at war, help me acquire more power. Like, what I'm saying is the obvious answer. We say to AI, we want to exist, right? That's our goal. We don't want to destroy ourselves. We don't want to die individually. This is not saying we want immortality. It's saying we don't want to die right now. So you're trying to basically just get a peace accord with all humans and all AI and say, can we just strike a deal where we have the right to exist? It's like the United States said, like, you know, life, living, the pursuit of happiness. The new constitution for our new species is the right to exist. And that's what this whole thing's about. It's just like the very basic primal desire. I want to take one more breath

A (132:36)

because we've almost grandfathered ourselves into this. That we don't. That we can't.

B (132:40)

Yeah, that's right, exactly. So like, like, if you don't state that as the objective, then you point it at profit. And if you point it at profit, you inevitably have the temptation of saying, I'm going to take your life for my profit. I'm going to give you food that poisons you, but makes me money.

A (132:57)

It feels like where we're at now. Yeah, it feels like we're definitely part of a. You go, all right, I'll give you this, Then you go here, then you spend there, and then you go to. But Brian Johnson, thanks so much, man.

B (133:08)

Love it, man.

A (133:08)

Great, bro.

B (133:09)

It was so much fun.

A (133:10)

Yeah. This is super interesting, man.

B (133:12)

Can you, can you imagine now a stand up act that would just rip me.

A (133:17)

Yeah, well, I think. I mean, I think I could think of a couple of things. I could think. One, you being on a great roast over there, and that's one thing they do at Kill Tony. They roast everybody. Roast everybody. So it's like this thing. You're just part of the universe, you know? And then I could think of. Yeah. Of a great. If, like, if there was, like, a dope roast and you're one of the people on it, people would have the best joke. I bet. It just adds a lot of fun. So I appreciate you having a sense of humor about it. What are the. What is a cheat day? Like, do you ever just want to unwind? I did see you had a photo of, like, the fourth. Like, a fourth meal or something you had that was up on social media the other day. Yeah, there you are. Just geeked out right there.

B (133:55)

Yeah, I'm trolling.

A (133:56)

Oh, you're just trolling there.

B (133:57)

Yeah. Okay.

A (133:58)

Got it. Yes.

B (133:58)

There's some Taco Bell, like I said, decided to live a little because, like, you know, like, it's funny because people are always like, bro, live a little. But then what they're saying is, I want you to die. Right. To show me you're alive. And so, like. Right. It's just, like. It's fun.

A (134:13)

It is kind of true. Live a little. In some ways, if we look at it, especially diet. Dietitian dietetically or whatever we're saying. Yeah, man. Dial, you know.

B (134:24)

Yeah, take the.

A (134:25)

Take the, you know, die some.

B (134:27)

Yeah, they want me to die. So I just. I like all things. I really enjoy playing. People have a lot of fun with me as well.

A (134:32)

Yeah.

B (134:32)

But, yeah, like, you know, the funny thing is, is the cheat day thing, man. Like, I don't want to do it.

A (134:38)

Wow. You got to the point where you don't want to do it.

B (134:39)

That's huge.

A (134:40)

Was it always like that or.

B (134:41)

No, just got there. Like, past couple years, it took me like, a hundred reps. Like, you do it. You're like, I think I'm gonna do it and be fun. And then it happens. You're like, God damn it. It's so worse. It's never worth it. So I learned the lesson. It's never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever worth it. It just doesn't, like, I don't know of a situation where I did something. I'm like, yeah, you know what I mean now? Like, when I did, when I stayed, when I went to bed early, went to the rave in the middle of the night, I got to dance worth it, right? But, like, you know, fast food meal. Like, so my team right now is where they're. They're trying to convince me to get drunk on a live stream as an experiment. So, like, what does alcohol do to the body? So we do the same thing. We'd measure all the markers. We'd look at my impairment. So, like, if I were, I would do an experiment like that. But otherwise, like, just to have fun. Like, no, man, it's. It's. It's miserable. I hate it.

A (135:32)

Has this challenge your faith? Has any of the. Has it challenged which you. Where. Where your faith lies. I knew because you grew up in a Mormon community, is that right?

B (135:40)

Yeah.

A (135:40)

And has it challenged. Which I think is a great community, by the way.

B (135:44)

Yeah.

A (135:45)

Has any of your practices challenged any of your beliefs or your relationship with that community?

B (135:51)

Yeah, I mean, I. I joke with my. My Mormon friends. I'm a better Mormon than they are. I'm, like, the best Mormon, you know? Like, you know, because sugar is the currency in Mormons. Like, you can't do. There's not premarital sex. You can't do porn. Like, there's a whole bunch of. Dude, you can't drink coffee.

A (136:08)

Yeah.

B (136:08)

Right. So when you have, like, a whole bunch of no's, like, it's gotta go somewhere.

A (136:12)

Yeah.

B (136:13)

So sugar is like the escape route. And so that's nice. Yeah, exactly. So I didn't mess around with them. But, like, the thing is, like, for me, the hole in the world is that we're in this wacky situation where we're conscious in the universe, like, what the fuck is going on?

A (136:32)

So bizarre.

B (136:32)

It's so bizarre.

A (136:33)

We talk about it every day.

B (136:34)

It's so bizarre. And so then, given the bizarreness, there's all these ways of people being like, let me explain the situation. Right. But I don't know. I'm more of the opinion of, how do we know? What are we talking about? And so, like, but then if you say, like, who says they don't know? It's a very, very, very small number of people who say they're like, atheists that they don't know. But that's kind of like a defeatist mentality. It's like, we don't know. But, like, whatever. So, like, what's missing in the world is an ideology that's like, we don't really know. And we have gusto. Like, because, like, when you're in a religion, like, you've got gusto to serve God and to, like, obey the Commandments. But where's an ideology that couples up? I don't know. And has gusto. And that's what's missing in the world. That's what I found is you can intellectually be legit. It's pretty hard to know what's going on. Also, we can stand up. We have power. Right now. Before AI you're doomed. No matter what you said, you're off to death with AI this is the first time ever where a human could be like, you know what? I got a strut. Like, I'm going to put my chest out and I feel confident I can do something. And so we're at this brand new thing. And that's what I'm saying this moment is.

A (137:50)

So why, what makes you think about that? Just because the ability that the average person could have now.

B (137:54)

Yeah. I mean, you look at A.I. i mean, you basically are giving birth to God. When we talk about God, we say God's omnipotent. Omnipotent God is blank, blank, blank. We basically assign these powers of anything. And on some kind of timescale, AI is kind of that. When it's that and how it's that, like tbd, but it's generally that. And so when you actually have the potential of building billions of gods or godlike powers of like we've imagined, like, why wouldn't you immediately level up your ambition by like a thousand X?

A (138:39)

Right. Because you're taking some of the more practical possibilities of God and making them more usable to the everyday person.

B (138:47)

Exactly.

A (138:48)

You're still not able to replicate like a relationship that is like spiritual in nature though, do you think?

B (138:54)

Why not? I mean, it's just a biochemical reaction, right? I don't know.

A (138:58)

You think somebody just messaging with like a fictional thing is going to make them feel the same way as if they feel like there's some connection to us to an actual like molecular existing force in the world?

B (139:09)

I do. I think that basically you think it's the same. Basically. So you are 70 trillion sales when Theo Von experiences love or God. Or like take whatever you think that is, a biochemical pattern.

A (139:26)

Got it.

B (139:27)

And you can produce it with prayer, with psychedelics, with meditation, with sex. Right. Like, there's so many ways to replicate these experiences. So like if AI is able to develop drugs and, or experiences and, or if we have implants and, or like you can, you can basically just map it back. It's very hard to identify an emergent experience we have right now and not be able to pull back the curtain and Say here's what happened biochemically. Now like I'm open to other ways to explain the world that you can't find a biochemical signature for. Totally open to that. But like in my experience, everything I am, I can just see the data. Like it is a very clear reveal. And so yeah. Will humans be able to experience transcendence and you know, unconditional love and extreme fulfillment of purpose and like locked in engagement? Yes, all those things. And so I actually, I'm very friendly towards religions. Like no matter who you are, no matter what you believe in. Great. Right. Like don't die is something we can all agree to. And so like if someone says they believe in an afterlife, super. Like you can still have your afterlife. This is not taking away your afterlife. This is just saying like right now we want to cooperate because we love the game of life. If that means you want to procrastinate your afterlife for another 100 years is still going to be there for you. Like it's not going away.

A (140:50)

Right.

B (140:50)

So it's really about trying to strike. So it's the same thing about food. Like I'm not carnivore or vegan or paleo or whatever. I'm not anti religion, I'm not for religion. I'm just like, we're all good. Like everyone, we're all good. We can be together. We can like play the game together. We don't need to fight each other. No one needs to be right or wrong. We just want to agree that existence is awesome.

A (141:11)

Yeah.

B (141:11)

So that's like just trying to call peace of all intelligence. Let's not fight. No more killing. Yeah, let's just be cool.

A (141:16)

Amen man. Because I wonder sometimes if, like when, when, when kids interact with AI and stuff like that, dude, they feel like it's like the same as if I, I feel if I'm interacting with a real person, you know, because. Yeah, I just don't know if you could ever get that, you know, that kind of hug feeling of like, of your God, whoever your God is or something. I wonder if you could ever get that hug feeling if like something that was.

B (141:38)

Yeah.

A (141:39)

Like man made or synthetic. Kind of hypothetically synthetic if it ever be the same. But I mean I think it's all interesting conversation and, and look man, you're out there on the front lines. You're like the only one in your, in this war. Like you're like your own Vietnam dude out there, you know, so it's really cool and I really appreciate your time, man. Tell town, town tell Talmage we said, what's up? Up.

B (142:05)

That's cool.

A (142:06)

And. Yeah. And Brian Johnson, thanks so much, dude. I'm gonna grab some of that olive oil. I do want to get some of it.

B (142:12)

And I'll say I'll send you some.

A (142:15)

Well, I'll support, man. But thank you. But thank you even for coming, dude. And just sharing a lot of this with us. I think it's not just. It's not just about milligrams and this, but it's kind of like a life idea, and it's a change of perspective.

B (142:28)

Yeah.

A (142:29)

You know?

B (142:29)

Yeah.

A (142:30)

So I understand it.

B (142:31)

Yeah. I loved hanging out, man. It was really fun.

A (142:32)

Me, too, bro. I know you said we saw each other at the ufc. I remember now. Seeing face for a second.

B (142:37)

Yeah.

A (142:38)

And. But I'm glad to see it again, dude. We'll have to get to one soon.

B (142:41)

Yeah. Cool.

A (142:41)

All right. Thank you, brother.

B (142:50)

Cornerstone. Oh.

A (142:54)

But when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones Up. But it's gonna take a little.