#650 - Jake Paul

Summary

Podcast Summary: This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

Episode #650 — Jake Paul (April 5, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this lively and unruly conversation, Theo Von sits down with Jake Paul: professional boxer, content creator, entrepreneur, and provocateur. The two riff on everything from modern parenting woes and pop culture, to psychedelic therapy, media skepticism, family, business, and even Jake’s much-memed political aspirations. With trademark humor, irreverence, and surprising moments of sincerity, the episode swings between jokes and deeper discourse about identity, fame, healing, and ambition.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. On Parenting, "Idiocracy," and Society

• Opening Banter about Parenting: Launching into the conversation, Theo and Jake riff on how easy it is for "anyone to have kids" these days, poking fun at society’s lack of standards.
  • [02:38] Jake: “There should be like a certificate...you gotta pass the IQ test honestly or some shit like that.”
  • [02:50] Jake and Theo reference the film "Idiocracy," comparing its dystopian scenario to current reality.
  • [03:07] Jake draws parallels between the fictional Brondo drink and real-world energy drinks like Prime.
  • [03:54] Both jokingly endorse Celsius, revealing they're both partners.

2. Comedy, Cancel Culture, and Making Fun of Everything

• Drewski’s Skit and Edgy Comedy: The conversation shifts to Drew Ski's controversial comedy videos, race, and the question of boundaries in humor.
  • [11:35] Jake: "All the Republicans being mad about this shit is like a L for Republicans, because this is fucking hilarious...this is what comedy is."
  • [12:57] Jake: “We should fucking make fun of each other. And I don't see in color. I see in truth and comedy.”
  • [14:09] Theo and Jake satirically reference political figures who’ve worn blackface, highlighting media double standards.

3. Vulnerability, Sobriety & Healing

• Addiction & Fame Trap: Both open up about personal struggles with addiction, self-worth, and healing.
  • [25:14] Jake: “Especially when I was younger…just going through a really rough time…suicidal, lost a lot of money and had terrible people around me.”
  • [26:58] Jake: “L.A. just becomes a dead end …you become looped into that system and will end up unhappy and most likely addicted to a bunch of shit.”
  • [27:56] Theo: “That energy overall in society is starting to change...the depth of value to it isn’t…It’s a kiddie pool, you know?”

4. Fame, Media Portrayal, and Litigation

• The Problem with Gossip and Judgment: Discussion on disconnect between public perception and actual life, especially how false reporting and rumors affect celebrities.
  • [32:36] Jake: “There needs to be some form of punishment for invalid commentary…that’s why I started suing people.”
  • [39:10] Jake: “If I saw me as another young and up-and-coming male, I would like, have jealousy of myself...It's human nature.”

5. Support, Family, & Self Love

• On Publicly Supporting His Fiancée at the Olympics:
  • [41:19] Jake (on his fiancée winning gold): “It's the greatest moment I've ever witnessed as a human...just witnessing greatness at the highest level.”
• Relationship with His Mom and Family Dynamics:
  • [69:41] Jake talks about his mother becoming more of a protector as he and Logan became famous.
  • [71:03] Jake “She was built for this and she's ready for the fire, which is gangster. And I was like, that's my mom.”

6. Psychedelics and Healing Trauma

• Ayahuasca, Mushrooms, & Brain Health:
  • [78:33] Jake: “After doing ayahuasca, I...talk to the items in my house to give them better energy.”
  • [81:33] Jake: “The biggest one for me was self love…putting the mirror up…how come you don’t love yourself sometimes.”
  • [89:59] Jake shares a powerful story of his father recovering cognitive functions after an ayahuasca ceremony: “During this experience his spirit came back to him, and…since that day he's just been normal again.”
• Critique of Pharma & Advocacy for Psychedelics:
  • [87:43] Jake: "It's wild you could just get a double Moscow Mule, but you can't do something that's actually good for you...so, what are we doing as a society?”

7. Business, Boxing, and Competition

• MVP Promotions & Disrupting Boxing:
  • [95:34] Jake explains how his startup approach disrupted boxing promotion — “We operate as a startup...fighter first…we instantly took over and resonated with fighters.”
• Critique of UFC’s Business Model:
  • [98:48] Jake: “You don't not pay your fighters...they forgot their heart as a company.”
  • [101:36] Jake: “The NFL pays their athletes 50% of the revenue…in the UFC, it’s [down to] 15%, by the way, down to 10%…”

8. MMA, Competition, and the Business of Fighting

• Crossover Fights and Rivalry:
  • [110:01] Jake: “If he [Nate Diaz] beats Perry, then me versus Nate is probably the number one thing on the list, like, above Tommy Fury, above Francis Ngannou, above KSI.”
  • [107:53] Jake (on Nate Diaz): “This guy was easy work. Lightest puncher I’ve ever fought.”
• Women in Boxing/MMA:
  • [114:05] Jake: “We're proponents for women...I genuinely believe women's boxing is so entertaining...we have all the best women signed to us for boxing.”

9. Politics & Aspirations

• Presidential/Jokey Political Chatter:
  • [54:44] Jake: “If I'm the best person to do it and can actually win, then, like, I might need to do it…will dabble in that if it makes sense.”
  • [56:20] Jake: “Signing up for the hardest job in the world…not only your life but everyone you’re affiliated with.”
  • [64:24] Jake: “If I ran for office, I’d also be super down to have an AR-15…I'm down to die, bro.”

10. Family, Sibling Rivalry, and Joy

• Logan Paul as a New Dad:
  • [121:16] Jake: “Yeah, he’s a loser now. Logan, bro, you go to bed at 10pm...But honestly, bro, I'm so happy for him. He's amazing and a great dad.”

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Notable Quotes

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-------------|----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:38 | Jake | "There should be like a certificate...you gotta pass the IQ test honestly or some shit like that." | | 11:35 | Jake | "All the Republicans being mad about this shit is like a L for Republicans, because this is hilarious."| | 25:14 | Jake | "I was just going through a rough time...suicidal, lost a lot of money and had terrible people around."| | 32:36 | Jake | "There needs to be some form of punishment for invalid commentary on anything. That’s why I started suing people."| | 41:19 | Jake | "It's the greatest moment I've ever witnessed as a human...just witnessing greatness at the highest level."| | 81:33 | Jake | "The biggest one for me was self love...just like putting the mirror up...how come you don't love yourself sometimes."| | 89:59 | Jake | "During this experience, his [my dad's] spirit came back to him...since that day he’s just been normal again."| | 98:48 | Jake | "Just look at what [Dana White’s] doing. You don't not pay your fighters, bro. They forgot their heart as a company."| | 101:36 | Jake | "The NFL pays their athletes 50% of the revenue...In the UFC, it’s [down to] 15%, by the way, down to 10%..."| | 117:46 | Jake | "Life became unrelatable, so it's easy to become hateable. I live in truth, so my views are undebatable." (from his poem)|

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Parenting/Idiocracy/Energy Drinks: 01:54 – 05:00
• Comedy Boundaries, Blackface, Cancel Culture: 10:19 – 16:29
• Addiction, Sobriety, Self-Work: 24:34 – 29:44
• Fame, Gossip, and Lawsuits: 30:23 – 40:41
• Fiancée’s Olympic Win: 41:12 – 44:23
• Mother's Influence and Family: 69:41 – 74:18
• Psychedelics, Healing, and Brain Health: 78:07 – 93:10
• Disrupting Boxing/Business of Combat Sports: 95:34 – 101:15
• MMA Promotions, Contracts & Future: 101:36 – 116:22
• Presidential Ambitions/Politics Riff: 53:00 – 57:56
• Jake’s Poem & Reflection on Persona: 117:14 – 119:53
• Family, Sibling Rivalry and Children: 121:16 – 124:54

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Tone & Memorable Moments

• The conversation is unpredictable, flipping between razor-sharp satire and candid introspection.
• Standout: Jake reading his self-written, tongue-in-cheek poem about the public’s perception of him. [117:46]
• Running gags: Repeated references to blackface, animal/human comparisons, and over-the-top polling one-liners.
• Heartfelt: Jake’s emotional reaction to his niece saying his name for the first time, and his openness about mental health and recovering self-esteem.
• Theo’s trademark surreal jokes and Southern phrasing keep the energy offbeat and unique to the “This Past Weekend” style.

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Final Thoughts

This episode, emblematic of Theo Von’s show, walks the line between comedy and genuine conversation. Jake Paul, often a polarizing public figure, opens up on fame, trauma, love, and ambition while trading philosophical and hilarious barbs with Theo. The result is an intoxicating mix of irreverence, vulnerability, absurdity, and social commentary—a must-listen for both fans and the curious.

Transcript

[Theo Von]

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[Jake Paul]

I, I think it's a massive problem. Just like anyone could have a kid.

[Theo Von]

It's crazy, bro.

[Jake Paul]

Like when I look at people, I'm like, yo, what the is this guy doing? He's got a kid, he's gonna raise this kid. The kid's gonna be worse. Like, I know.

[Theo Von]

Well, we'll talk about Logan after a while, dude, but I'm talking about just in general. I'm just joking, Logan. But I'm talking just about it in general, dude. Yeah, the fact that they don't put birth control in the Suboxone, first of all. Or something like, like methadone with birth control. You think they're just. And if you don't finish school, you shouldn't get more than one kid.

[Jake Paul]

I don't think there should be like a certificate that you gotta, you gotta fill out some paperwork first to get a kid, bro, to be honest, you gotta pass the IQ test honestly or some shit like that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, even a low IQ test would be bad.

[Jake Paul]

Like, ah, these. These people. And. And. And by the way, it's like the movie Idiocracy, which, by the way, is, like, fully coming to life.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you mean the historical drama Idiocracy? Yeah, I mean. Yeah, I agree. It was like a. It used to be a comedy movie, but now it's like, it's art now.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, it's like, oh, my God, we're here. Yeah, like. And by the way, Brondo, like, the electrolyte drink in it is, like, prime.

[Theo Von]

Bring it up.

[Jake Paul]

Electrolytes.

[Theo Von]

Bring up Brondo.

[Jake Paul]

That's hilarious, bro.

[Theo Von]

Bring up a clip from that. Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Look at the president with the machine gun.

[Theo Von]

This looks fucking good. The Brondo's not working. Now, I'm no botanist, but I do know that if you put water on plants, they grow. Well, I've never seen no plants grow out of no toilet. That's good. Yeah, this is where we are. Yeah, that's a prime business meeting right there.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Or that's. No, I'm joking. But. But that. Yeah, it's where we are.

[Jake Paul]

And by the way, we're Celsius partners. Yeah, we love Celsius.

[Theo Von]

Are you Celsius partner?

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. Yeah, me and you both. I'll have a little.

[Theo Von]

I gave a little to my buddy's cat the other day. Yeah?

[Jake Paul]

How did it do?

[Theo Von]

He likes kind of the cherry cola flavor. He didn't have a lot.

[Jake Paul]

Did it, like, do something cooler or.

[Theo Von]

No, I mean, we haven't seen him. So this cat is really. It's a wild cat. He's a BLM activist.

[Jake Paul]

That cat was living fit, bro. Like, he just disappeared.

[Theo Von]

He hit a gym, like, 30 miles away.

[Jake Paul]

So he turned into a fucking iron marathoner, dude.

[Theo Von]

He's dating a dog now. He's fucking. He's crushing it, dude.

[Jake Paul]

Yes, yes.

[Theo Von]

Change. And it's changing the animalic sex order. Dude. Dude. Good to see you. Dude, I saw this picture of you the other day. See if you can pull this out. There was a picture of a pet that we saved. Speaking of pets. That one of them looked like you. And tell me if you think it's fair or not. And this is. I'm not. That's pretty.

[Jake Paul]

That one. Yeah, I would say that's a. That's. That's a. That's a great compliment.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's.

[Jake Paul]

I thought it was gonna be much worse. I thought you were gonna show, like, a lemur

[Theo Von]

something on his last leg or something.

[Jake Paul]

I was like, I'm honored that this is. He thought of me, bro, because yeah, bro. Because every time I look at you, I just see Joe Dirt.

[Theo Von]

So it's just like, the soil's rich. Yeah, dude. I do feel like Joe Dirt. Me and Spade have a movie that we made that's coming out.

[Jake Paul]

I'm so excited for it. Bus Bus Boys.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, Bus Boys. So we made it ourselves and everything, so that's exciting.

[Jake Paul]

Was that hard, by the way? Did that make it harder to, like, self fund and stuff like that make the movie?

[Theo Von]

Like, what part of making it? Getting it done or getting in theaters or getting all.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, theaters. All of it, I think. Yeah, all of it.

[Theo Von]

Getting in theaters. I think people. Some people called and were like, dude, how do you guys get it in the theaters? You know? And so that part, I think, was kind of tough. The tough parts were just all the spaces you have to stay involved with. You think like, oh, somebody else does that and you're like, oh, no, there's no. There's nobody else. And so it just falls back on you. I'm sure it's.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. Are you nervous, like, for the outcome? Because I think, you know, like, you just see a lot of movies with the biggest names these days with super big budgets and the, you know, all the people behind them, and then it flops. Like, are you nervous about that? Yeah, because it's public. Like, even I've had a couple of fights where it's like, the pay per views weren't as good, but it's private info.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I think there's a part of me, like, I like to be, like, kind of in control of what I do. Right. And so that's why I was waiting to do something where it's like, we wrote it, we made. It's our own thing. So at least in the end, I do feel like we did a good job and I got to do it with somebody really, like, who's amazing and a stat and like, established in that universe. Yeah. I think it is scary because you don't want it to affect how people think about you or feel about you. They may just not be like, I care about seeing a movie this weekend. And it's almost to the weekend. Like, nobody buys a ticket for a movie three weeks in advance. I thought we'd put it out and be like, oh, it'll all sell out. Like a. Like you. Like, maybe with a comedy show, but with a movie, it's like, you kind of have to wait till that weekend. It's probably similar with, like, a pay per view.

[Jake Paul]

No 100%. And we actually, like, base our Fights around, making sure there's no other big events. Like the Last Fight on Netflix. Like third, third biggest fight ever with Joshua. 35 million viewers live, but it was the same weekend as Avatar, the same day. So it plays into it. Like, would we have gotten 5 million more viewers? It's just something interesting to think about. But sometimes you can't choose another date.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah, we just. Yeah, I think I'm definitely a little bit spooked about it. I'm a little. I'm nervous about. I'm also kind of excited about it. And if. I think if it doesn't go great, it's okay. It's like, you know, I hope it does because we want to be able to make more stuff and help other people make more stuff that don't get like. Like there's no studio attached to it. It's like nobody told us anything we could put in or out of the script. So it's all our own thing. So.

[Jake Paul]

So it's not woke.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's not woke. Dude, we got an eight year old saying in it, you know, And I don't. You know, bro. And he didn't mean it. Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

And by the way, you paid him to say it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jake Paul]

So you're, you're, you're invoking abuse. Yeah, Theo.

[Theo Von]

But we paid him handsomely, you know. Hey, we didn't touch him.

[Jake Paul]

Honestly, though.

[Theo Von]

Honestly, like, we're already better than have.

[Jake Paul]

This is my problem with people saying the word fact.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Is that like I would never say it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Like. So it's just like up to say F. Oh, yeah.

[Theo Von]

I don't say it. So. But yeah, let's. What else is going on?

[Jake Paul]

What don't you say?

[Theo Von]

I don't say it. I'll say it. I will say it very fast because some people are wondering what I don't say and I'm not going to be. And you won't even know when I'm going to say it.

[Jake Paul]

So

[Theo Von]

that was it. And I didn't even say it. So. And who knows? I might be a homosexual when I get older, after I get married and leave my wife.

[Jake Paul]

So. And that's why you're fucking smart. Because you're hedging like, yeah, yeah, you're saving. You're. You're an investor. You're a forward thinker.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

You're. You're literally a renaissance man. Because at least you can admit that you might be a later in life. Whoa, bro.

[Theo Von]

I'm not going to be some crazy. I will be just A guy who is doing his best, who is pissed off at one of his friends and lets him jerk him off one time. I'm not going to be some guy who's holding hands and going to, like, a market or something. So anyway, now that our careers are

[Jake Paul]

both over, now we still got Celsius. They'll never leave us.

[Theo Von]

Oh, dude, two sips this. You'll. Come on. Your buddy's back. Did you see that? Did you see that Drew Ski skit? What'd you think?

[Jake Paul]

You know what's so funny is that I wanted to talk about this with you.

[Theo Von]

Really? Yeah. I mean, this is crazy when she starts doing that. Oh, my God.

[Jake Paul]

What are. What are your thoughts?

[Theo Von]

I thought it's so bizarre. It's one of his more bizarre videos. I mean, it's. It's hilarious. Dude. She's in this space. I wish it had gone a little more into, like, the stuff with the husband and what could have happened. But I don't think black people, like, mess with people's families and shit that much. They don't go into that kind of area very much. Yeah. I mean, Drew Ski's just. You never know what he's going to do, bro. And this sets that precedent like. Like nothing else. I mean, look at this, bro. This could be fucking you or Logan in 40 years, dude. You know what I'm saying? And not in a bad way, dude. Y' all look good.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. No, honestly, dude.

[Theo Von]

This is Hulk Hogan's whole family in one picture, dude.

[Jake Paul]

Hulk Hogan. Yeah. No, honestly, it's hilarious. I loved it. And I'm. I'm obviously Republican, and like, all the Republicans being mad about this shit is like a L for Republicans, because this is fucking hilarious. And even though it's fucking dark and twisted and it's. And it's not. Maybe the. The. It's. This is what comedy is.

[Theo Von]

Yes. I agree.

[Jake Paul]

This. We are humans. Let's make fun of ourselves. And there's truth in this.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

And extreme truth. And people weren't ready for that. But. But I. I think it's hilarious. And I want to ask you something, because I've been over the last couple of days calling makeup artists, and I was gonna do a response to this and, like, go and do, like, the full on darker. Yeah. And do it and just do it back, because why not?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Like, are we on the same playing field?

[Theo Von]

Like, I think if you. If there's a way to do it. Oh. Singing in. Well, this. Even this sentence. But if there's a way to do it, I'VE been here many times. If there's a way to do it, I think. Yeah. I think there needs to be some black support for the character. I think, like, I'm saying, like, say if Drew Ski or. I'm trying to think of somebody else.

[Jake Paul]

Charles Barkley.

[Theo Von]

Charles Barkley. If you got one of those guys to be like, hey, deal, I want you to do this skit with me. Let's do this.

[Jake Paul]

But. But still, that's. That's pussing out.

[Theo Von]

You think it is?

[Jake Paul]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

To me, there's a level of, like.

[Jake Paul]

Doesn't that make us more, like, prejudice?

[Theo Von]

Oh, like, more prejudice. That makes us.

[Jake Paul]

If we have to partner with someone. Drew Ski just dropped this, and he's

[Theo Von]

done it a couple of times. Exactly.

[Jake Paul]

I fucking love it. This is great. This is how humans should be.

[Theo Von]

I agree.

[Jake Paul]

We should fucking make fun of each other. And I don't see in color. I see in truth and comedy. So, like, what are we talking about? So you're saying what era are we living in?

[Theo Von]

Justin Trudeau did, and he's. He's freaking dating Katy Perry. You see that? Justin Trudeau, the mayor of Canada.

[Jake Paul]

I was just with them. I was just with them.

[Theo Von]

No, you were not.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. At the JP Morgan summit, he was B facing.

[Theo Von]

Look at him. Right there in the middle. Look at the one in the hat

[Jake Paul]

in the middle for this before.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Look how dark he went. I mean, he went.

[Jake Paul]

But. But to be fair, that picture is in black and white, so we can't tell how dark he went.

[Theo Von]

But that's fair. That's kind of fair. What about Jimmy Kimmel when he was blacking around over there? Bring that up, huh? Hey, hey, hey. Look at him. Just black. And I mean, look at that. Even the cross eyes.

[Jake Paul]

That's Jimmy Kimmel.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

That's not Shaq.

[Theo Von]

Dude, that looks healthier than Shaq.

[Jake Paul]

Dude, there's no way that's Jimmy Kimmel. Oh, God. And look, bro. And look, by the way, that is Jimmy Kimmel. Look at Jimmy Kimmel on the left. Untouchable.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

What the.

[Theo Von]

Bro. Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

W. How can they get away with this?

[Theo Von]

The. That pisses me off. It's like. Like, kids can't be black for Halloween, dude. You know, like, a kid is his favorite athlete. He never grew up with anything racist in his heart or anything.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, and he wants to. He wants to be LeBron in the Halloween. This kid is just, like, getting penetrated by haters.

[Theo Von]

That's the problem. There's too many haters out there. But look, Drew Ski's Doing this shit. Craziest when he did was the one where he spit on a black guy out of a car dressed as a white guy. You see that one? Bring up that country.

[Jake Paul]

When I didn't see that one, he drives up, bro. Honestly, bro.

[Theo Von]

Nah, no more.

[Jake Paul]

This is insane.

[Theo Von]

No more honesty from you, dude.

[Jake Paul]

Right now. No, I got a lot more.

[Theo Von]

Oh, hold on. There's enough. Look at this part right here. Yeah, after this, bruh.

[Jake Paul]

How many?

[Theo Von]

Right here. Watch this.

[Jake Paul]

You lost both? No, I'm going to the race.

[Theo Von]

What race?

[Jake Paul]

NASCAR race. You're going to nascar? You ain't lost, did you.

[Theo Von]

What the. Is going.

[Jake Paul]

Sure about that? Okay, so this brings us up the actual point of, like,

[Theo Von]

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[Jake Paul]

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[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude. Yeah. You're blacker than Logan.

[Jake Paul]

That guy is white.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

I mean, he's basically Hulk Hogan.

[Theo Von]

Oh, dude, he is. Probably. I went to Hulk Hogan's funeral,

[Jake Paul]

which

[Theo Von]

is pretty crazy, but anyway.

[Jake Paul]

Did you.

[Theo Von]

Oh, dude, at his funeral. Nobody knew Jim McMahon was there and. Who's Jim McMahon?

[Jake Paul]

Vince McMahon.

[Theo Von]

Vince McMahon. Jim McMahon showed me his asshole one night. He used to play for the Bears. He showed me his asshole one night at. Yeah, yeah. And Shout out Jim.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And I didn't even ask about it. And he. What?

[Jake Paul]

What? So how did he show you his asshole?

[Theo Von]

It was outdoors. He was reenacting something, and. And he showed me his asshole. But he's awesome.

[Jake Paul]

Honestly, the. The. The more people I meet in life.

[Theo Von]

And like, he showed me as Richard Dent. You know, that's just an old Bears player who played at the same time. And that's just such a crazy statement. Okay, go on. The more people. No.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. The more. The more people I meet, the more weird. Like, I think. Yeah. Like, people are weird, bro. Yeah. And they want to show people, too, bro.

[Theo Von]

It's the 11th fingerprint.

[Jake Paul]

So this is the problem is, like, I was raised right in a sense, but, like, what, bro? I'm saying. I'm saying, like, the. The richer you get, the less normal experiences become for you. So you have to do something different.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

To feel something. And I don't fall under that category, but a lot of these People do.

[Theo Von]

You seem like you're trying to like, take yourself out of the files right now or something, but, dude, you gotta. I'm sure you run into some wild. Dude. I'm just saying.

[Jake Paul]

Caught me. You caught me, bro. You're good. You're good. You're good. It's a mullet. I think it makes you smarter,

[Theo Von]

bro.

[Jake Paul]

You caught me.

[Theo Von]

That's my new character. It's a black detective. He figures it out. Yeah, Encyclopedia Brown as fuck.

[Jake Paul]

You're a fucking genius, bro. No, you caught me, bro.

[Theo Von]

Dude, you and I should not be declaring anybody a genius, bro. We are wrong. Now you're just saying something loud. You're saying something definitively. Hey, bring up that fish that's in a wheelchair. Have you seen that? Bring up that wheelchair fish somebody build.

[Jake Paul]

Bro, if you don't think you're a genius, then you. You should like, have some self reflection. Do. Do you actually not think you're a genius?

[Theo Von]

No, not at all. Not at all.

[Jake Paul]

That's a big problem for yourself.

[Theo Von]

Look at this. Look at this bitch they got. You don't think anything's possible. Dude, look at this bitch. You trying to fight that thing next, dude, look at that motherfucker.

[Jake Paul]

This is a perfect opponent for me. Wheelchair. And two IQ is. Is who I'm looking to fight.

[Theo Von]

He still has a one fight deal with the ufc. But you gotta fucking.

[Jake Paul]

We'll get them out. Wolf is.

[Theo Von]

But this is what we're fucking living in, dude. People can't eat and we're fucking building fish wheelchairs, bro. So anyway, and that's also.

[Jake Paul]

I'm not going to lie though.

[Theo Von]

Like, you know what the fish's name is, dude? Joe Biden. That's the craziest part.

[Jake Paul]

That's why he's in a fucking wheelchair. This is. This is comedy gold.

[Theo Von]

Like, it's comedy goldfish, dude. We're. We're. Dude, this is horrible. All we've done is. Is lobby for blackface, this whole pod and nothing else, dude. But we're gonna keep it moving, man. Do you think. Okay, let's. Let's start over. Okay. Do you think Erica Kirk had anything to do with the husband's death? Let's switch it up, Switch it up. And that's mouthwash, you know, but yeah, keep happens.

[Jake Paul]

I love Listerine, bro.

[Theo Von]

It's a fucking good stuff. That's a new Listerine. Green apple, bro.

[Jake Paul]

You.

[Theo Von]

You're funny.

[Jake Paul]

I don't know if you can ask that.

[Theo Von]

You're pretty funny. Okay.

[Jake Paul]

I don't know. I'll Talk about a lot of things, but I, I don't think I'll talk about Charlie Kirk and his assassination.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Jake Paul]

The sensitive details around it.

[Theo Von]

Oh, dude, I don't even want to fucking talk about. It's just on our list of stuff. So I'll keep it moving.

[Jake Paul]

Some AI you chat GPT what to ask Jake Paul. And it told you this. It was like what will go most viral.

[Theo Von]

It said things Jake Paul could handle. And yeah, one of them was frizz golf. One of them was. Oh, the Tiger woods dui. That was kind of crazy. Let's, let's, let's, let's brush on that. Because people deal with addiction. People deal with that stuff. It's something I've dealt with. That was kind of a surprise to me. I was kind of surprised to see that, you know. Have you ever played golf with Tiger?

[Jake Paul]

No, I don't. No, I don't play golf. I, I mean, bro, like, it's a second time thing for him, right?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, but it's been like a decade since the last time, so it just seems like maybe he was going through a tough patch.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, it's tough, bro. Tough.

[Theo Von]

Did you ever struggle with anything like that?

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, for sure. For sure. Like, especially when I was younger, there was a phase where I was just like going through a really rough time in a lot of ways in life. Suicidal, lost a lot of money and had terrible people around me.

[Theo Von]

And so that was a, that was a time that you were what, were drinking or was like a thing? Because I've been in, you know, like, I've been in sobriety, in and out of sobriety over the past like 10 years. It's a tough road, you know, and you try your best. I've been in like, for like sex, love addiction, intimacy disorder, all of that, you know, I should probably be in like a wheelchair or whatever, you know, and that's real talk, man.

[Jake Paul]

Praise God. Yeah. No, damn, it's. But, but see how you're healing with it. And you're sitting here today doing great things in life and people love you and I love you and you're a genius and you're an amazing guy and you just like, work through it, but you're like, honestly healing with it. It goes back to like, comedy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

That's why you're funny as and you're making fun of yourself and it makes it acceptable to your traumatized version of yourself. So. Yeah, but I've been in dark places as a kid. Like, it's the funny, like, Disney star crash out Bankrupt. Money, money, money. Bad people around you. Drugs, alcohol. Party, L.A. girls, girls, girls.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

And it. It's like a fucking cycle out there. So my, my biggest advice to people is don't fucking live in LA and like, go into that ecosystem because I'm a product of it, but it's not me. I had to heal from it and like. But just was going to happen that way. So no matter who goes out there, no matter who they are, it's not their fault. But like, they become looped into that system and will end up unhappy and most likely addicted to a bunch of shit. And yeah, it's. It's a. It's a sad thing. Chasing validation. I met this person at this party. I want to be famous. I met this guy, I took a photo with him. It's just like a fucking dead end. So,

[Theo Von]

yeah, I think that energy overall in society is starting to change a little bit. I think we're starting to realize that there's not like all this, like, collection of moments and even items and even finances while we're here. There's not a really. The depth of value to. It isn't. It's a kiddie pool, you know?

[Jake Paul]

So. So yes, I was at the. This summit this past weekend in Montana, and I was taking a piss next to Jeff Bezos. And my, My. My dad always said to me, like, since I was a kid, famous people put their pants on the same way,

[Theo Von]

one leg at a time.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. And so I realized, like, bro, he's. I love him, by the way.

[Theo Von]

Really? Is he a neat guy? I can't even imagine.

[Jake Paul]

No.

[Theo Von]

You know what his voice sounds like?

[Jake Paul]

He. He's just. He's. He's awesome, bro. He like, shaped the world and he's going to continue to do that. But I just realized when we were peeing next to each other, like, bro, we're just peeing next to each other. Just my. It's my homie, essentially.

[Theo Von]

But you piss pot number. Oh, yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Like, we're just like Jeffrey, Jeffrey Bezos. I was gonna start singing it out loud, but I didn't have the confidence. I was about to start singing his song and then I texted my friends, like, yeah, I just pissed next to Jeffrey and they were like, did you grab his dick? Like, it's just all that typical French, huh? It's just all a joke.

[Theo Von]

Did you same day deliver that? You feel me?

[Jake Paul]

How prime was it? Like, but bro, like, at the end

[Theo Von]

of the day, was it Logan or was it KSI? That's just a further on the prime

[Jake Paul]

joke, but I got it.

[Theo Von]

Thanks, dude. But, dude, I remember one time I pissed next to Kid Rock, dude, and I was like, I thought I'd made it, dude.

[Jake Paul]

That. That's what I mean. But it's also funny to, like, these people, like, that are so in the media, and I, like, find myself in this. In this category. Often, like, people think they know me. They have so many ideas about who I am or what I am. But, like, bro, at the end of the day, we're all humans. And, like, seeing these people, like, eat, like, even just seeing Jeff Bezos eat was just, like, funny. It's like, yeah, okay.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Or watching him whisper to somebody.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, he has to whisper. He has to eat, bro. He's just one of us. Yeah, like, he's just the guy's guy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, but does he seem like a guy's guy? Kind of.

[Jake Paul]

For sure, yeah. He seems super cool.

[Theo Von]

Somebody said he seems kind of Asian. One of my buddies met him a couple times. They said he seems kind of Asian. Did he seem like that to you at all? Not fully or not? Yeah. Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

So I couldn't tell when he was peeing, like, how tight he had to grip it.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. If he had a headlamp on.

[Jake Paul]

So, yeah.

[Theo Von]

I don't know, dude. That's crazy, bro.

[Jake Paul]

I don't know. That's the only way I could tell.

[Theo Von]

Is he tall?

[Jake Paul]

He's like. He's, like 5, 8, 5, 9.

[Theo Von]

Okay, so he's, like, probably also his.

[Jake Paul]

His wife, like, I think, has a weird, like, public Persona. And their whole relationship, bro, it just goes back to media. But she was awesome and smart and nice and very intelligent, and, I don't know, just weird how the media paints everyone. And it's. It's actually sad because I even had a preconceived notion of these people because it's just, like, indoctrination. And you see enough things where you just, like, start to conform to that idea, but then you could just be so wrong.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Oh, I think that that happens a lot. You know, it's easy to get addicted to that, too. One of the things that I think is most important right now is the. The value of our own attention. What do we put our attention on? You know, because it's easy to sit there and just absorb all the bullshit and be like, here's a picture of Lauren Bezos or Jeff Bezos. And, you know, there's just an article, and there's no even repercussions or anything more. It's like, she just got her tits done. He just got his head done or whatever. And you're just like, okay, but you. You know what I'm saying? But most people just. We believe it. It's like, I've found myself believing stuff, and it's like, this is. You know, I'm sure you've read things about yourself that are astronomically outrageous.

[Jake Paul]

No. 100. This is. I think the word you said that is key is, like, repercussions. Like, there needs to be some form of punishment for invalid commentary on anything.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

And this is why I started suing people, because.

[Theo Von]

Have you had a lot of nil type like that sort of issues or just people saying stuff?

[Jake Paul]

People mostly like rigged fights and. And steroids and fake fights and, like, this type of thing. It's like, bro, do I look like I'm on steroids? Like, no, I don't think steroids. I'm a chubby kid. Like, dude, do you know how legal it is within all of these commissions to rig fights? Like, you guys are actually stupid. But I can't say that to them. And then even when I'm like, sitting here now defending myself, it. It feels like they're gonna look at it and be like, of course he would say that.

[Theo Von]

Right?

[Jake Paul]

So I'm. I'm just suing people because that's when the truth comes out. Is like, let's. Let's go to court. Yeah. Let's actually look at the documents and see if my fights were rigged and get to the bottom of it. And I know I'll come out on top because they're not. And so.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And this is. I'm gonna go delete an old tweet as well as you're saying this, but. Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Oh, yeah, you did say that thing. I was like you for a second, bro. Yeah, I was actually.

[Theo Von]

I was upset.

[Jake Paul]

I was mad at you, but I was mad at you for saying that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I can't remember if I lie, though, because I think. Yeah, I think it's exactly what you're saying. It was like. Well, let me think about it. I don't know exactly what I said, but it was something like, yeah, I don't. Or. Yeah, some actually remember this. It was a jab like that.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, you did.

[Theo Von]

It was a verbal jab. You said, I'm sorry, man, don't sue me also, please. And I will take it down. But like.

[Jake Paul]

But what? What? It's fine, by the way. It's fine. But why? Like, what was the. Because I. I look at it to be Honest as another male who's insecure about me being successful, trying to take me down.

[Theo Von]

Let me think about that for just a second. Let me really think about it.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Why would I say I was probably. It was like, it felt like probably a bandwagony type of thing, you know, I'm not using that as an excuse. I'm just saying that was probably part of it. Yeah. Let me think. Oh yeah. It's easy for me now in hindsight. Yeah. It's easy for me to like just say something from, from here where I'm sitting here. I don't have to say it to his face. I don't have to be around him and say it because I wouldn't, I probably, I wouldn't do that unless I felt like it was a joking environment that was like safe.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

So those are probably the things to be honest with you. And, and, and I think it would take us longer for me to sit here and, or, you know, it took me longer to really probably sit and like kind of think out what all the small parts were. But those honestly are the things that I'm thinking of off the bat.

[Jake Paul]

Yep. No. And then like appreciate your honesty and, and candidness around that. Like, and it's, it is annoying for me because I fucking work my ass off in the gym like all the

[Theo Von]

fucking time, I think. I mean, you came. I mean like there was a, there was a time where it was like, yeah, this, this guy isn't a real fighter. These are things that people would say and then there's no, there's no person now, like you disproved.

[Jake Paul]

But, but that's the thing is I could handle the. Not a real fighter because I'm like you. Haha.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Jake Paul]

I could handle the like most of the things that people said. But then when I got so good that people couldn't believe what I was doing that it turned to fake fight steroids. That really bothered me, to be honest. I don't know why. Like, it just like seemed like the polar opposite thing that people could say that would disprove it all. So it was so far from truth. And I think that's why I'm blessed by God and like such a pivotal person in today's society is because I live by truth. And I think that when you do that, God continues to bless you. And, and I think the fake fights thing, like, is so far from the truth that it really bothered me.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I could see that. I could see that it would. Well, yeah, man, I'm sorry if I could it would be to that bro, some way.

[Jake Paul]

It's fine, no problem.

[Theo Von]

But I'm glad that we're talking about this because I do think that it's interesting. I think that, yeah, I think there's something like, yeah, why, like, yeah, why does that kind of shit, like why do we. Or why have I acted that way? Why do we act? Like why is. You know, sometimes it's in just. It's getting involved in the conversation. But yeah, to think that there's not like real repercussions or real like just things that happen, feelings that happen. Do you. I think sometimes people. You guys are such good promoters over the years, right? And you guys have done a good job of continuing to evolve in entertainment and society. Like there's not a lot of people that have a 17 year lifespan in entertainment and it may be longer. I'm not sure how old you are.

[Jake Paul]

It's. Yeah, it's been like 13 years. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I mean to keep that and have a level that is like one of the highest levels in different mediums. And then also I think people don't know. Like I don't know if people don't know. But it's tough to get people to reframe you into something that's different. I'm not using those as excuses. I'm just saying that there could be some of that in there, bro.

[Jake Paul]

I'm not gonna lie. Like if I might have a little. If I like saw me as another like young and up incoming male, I would like have jealousy of myself and be like this guy, he's got a jet and a gold medal fiance and the perfect life in 6000 acre ranch. I would have jealousy. It's human nature.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Jake Paul]

So I like get it. Like it just is what it is.

[Theo Von]

I just think there could be some of that in there. Yeah. And yeah, I mean it's like, it's

[Jake Paul]

weird and, and also like does it

[Theo Von]

help you keep going though? Is there some of it that keeps a chip on your shoulder? Because I gotta, I'm not, I don't

[Jake Paul]

know what I'm motivated by anymore, to be honest.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[Jake Paul]

I feel that sometimes I think it's. I think it goes back to like helping others and like community. I'm a big fan of Marcus Aurelius and I mean the biggest thing he just says is like your duty to society is the most important thing. And so I think that's where I've landed recently because I have like everything

[Theo Von]

and like you have enough for yourself, you mean you have what you need.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. And, and my family and all of that. So, like, I, I just go back to like, the leader of the Roman Empire should probably listen to what he had to say. And one of his biggest sayings is I should. You know, your biggest thing is to be a part of society and make it a better place. So I think that's, that's maybe where I'm at these days.

[Theo Von]

One thing that really kind of like touched me was the way your reaction and involvement with your fiance at the Olympics. I thought that was really cool, man. I think there was something like, just as a guy like you, a lot of guys I think don't probably do a lot of supporting of their girlfriends or spouses in certain ways. And I thought something like that was really beautiful to see. I think we have. Do you have anything of it? His wife wanted gold and they're cruising out there. Are they cruising?

[Jake Paul]

Bro, they're cooking.

[Theo Von]

This is awesome, bro. How are you feeling? What was. Bro.

[Jake Paul]

So, yeah. So, like, honestly? Yeah, it, it, it's the greatest moment I've ever witnessed as a human. Just like everything that happened and the way it played out was just nuts. And I know how hard she works and like how dedicated she is and how much every single day she's putting so much detail into her work. And the girl right before her, like two races before. Set, sorry, set, set the Olympic record. So we were all like looking at each other like, oh my God, that was a fast time. She, she might not win right now. Like, what the fuck? And then she just comes out and sets the new Olympic record and wins.

[Theo Von]

Let's go.

[Jake Paul]

And I could, I could tell that she was going to win like before everyone else because I like see her times and so that's why I was like already crying and I was like, I don't cross.

[Theo Von]

So there was some more build up to it. It wasn't like just that exact moment. You could feel it coming on.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, no, I could. You could see the, the speed and the times on the, on the, you know, digital board. So I knew maybe before anyone else. And bro, like, I'm, I'm the one that has to like, deal with her stress and problems and thoughts around the whole sport on a daily basis. So I knew how much it meant to her. And yeah, it was just like witnessing greatness at the highest level in the coolest thing, representing her country. The Dutch people were all there screaming. Like, all of it was just beautiful.

[Theo Von]

The Dutch are aerodynamic, dude. I've always said that. Yeah, they're very aerodynamic.

[Jake Paul]

You've been. You've been long on. On the Dutch.

[Theo Von]

They're tall and they're nice. A lot of them are very aerodynamic. Pull up a Dutch, man.

[Jake Paul]

Bro, just. No, my.

[Theo Von]

Pull up a Dutch.

[Jake Paul]

Honestly, you're just very aerodynamic. I'm not gonna look at this. Bash.

[Theo Von]

Hold on. That's. Zoom in on that guy on the right. Mr. Dutch right there and his little Dutch dime right there, boy. Duncan. Shane. That guy will take on a wind right there. That dude will take on a. A headwind in a heartbeat. You'll be back to Puerto Rico 10 minutes sooner if that guy was attached to the front of your bird, that's for sure. I think there was something. It was it that was right, Bro. Bro. They. I've known that since I was young. My mother told me that.

[Jake Paul]

That the deaths were error dynamic.

[Theo Von]

She said it.

[Jake Paul]

What else did your mom teach you?

[Theo Von]

What did she tell me? I don't know. She was always working. She would drive by and yell at us. She's like, go brush your teeth. She'd be zooming by in her car yelling, dude, brush your teeth. We're just in the yard. We're like. We're not even inside right now. But she tried to parent the best she could, you know, she was just always like delivering stuff.

[Jake Paul]

No, I thought it was awesome too that you're like working on your foundation. What is it with Cat Williams or.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jake Paul]

And that. That's what I was saying. Like, I'm just happy for your mother that she's gonna benefit.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I'm glad to see mom. You're gonna get an afternoon off, dude. Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. So what's the foundation again?

[Theo Von]

Because put that clip in. The foundation doesn't have a name yet. Nobody even knows those are coming out. But it people are going to be.

[Jake Paul]

It's benefiting the parents of autistic kids. Right?

[Theo Von]

Yep. We're going to the donate.

[Jake Paul]

Your. Your family is going to be up.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, they are, dude. And there's other autistic people in my family. We're calling those motherfuckers out, dude. There should be.

[Jake Paul]

All of them are going to make hella bread based off of your organization. Is Loki insider trading, Bro.

[Theo Von]

Dude, you're. Yeah, you're funny, dude. This is great. K Pop Demon Hunters, Haja Boy's Breakfast Meal and Hunt Tricks Meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi? It's not. Not a battle. So glad the Saja boys could take

[Jake Paul]

breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day. It is an honor to share. No, it's our honor.

[Theo Von]

It is our larger honor.

[Jake Paul]

No, really, stop.

[Theo Von]

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[Jake Paul]

I wouldn't. I would write her a letter. I. I think that's still the most meaningful thing that you could do. Words think are the most important thing in love and. Yeah, I would just write her a letter.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I saw that you sat with Vance at the Olympics. Vance is cool, huh?

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. Ohio guy.

[Theo Von]

He's neat to be around.

[Jake Paul]

Yep. No, he's super normal, bro. God damn. He's pulling up the photos like that's his job. He. He's just.

[Theo Von]

Just joking. Trevin. Sorry. Yeah, I like being around Vance. He's been on here a couple times. Do you think he's trying to position himself to be that next dog or what do you think?

[Jake Paul]

I think. Yeah, of course. Like, that's the nature of the game and. Yeah, like, he's. Yeah. If you're gonna. If you're the vice president, you're already playing the game. That's a dangerous game. So, like, it is. And, And I like dabble in it, which it's. It's scary because I don't want to get

[Theo Von]

popped.

[Jake Paul]

But like, and. And beyond that, like, there's so Many things behind the scenes brands. People won't even associate with you because of your political stance. So it's a really interesting game to, like, play in, but he's already balls deep, so. Yeah, I think he's gonna jockey for president for sure.

[Theo Von]

It's kind of scary when you're that deep in it.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. It makes it easier when you have, like, 15 securities around you and people have to get wanded just to talk to you. But, like. Yeah, it's still weird. It's still weird, bro. Like, it's the weirdest thing in the world.

[Theo Von]

Do you. Yeah. Have you ever playing that?

[Jake Paul]

You're playing the biggest game of life. That's true. And.

[Theo Von]

And it's gotten dangerous.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. And do you want to play that? And, like, can you. It's. It's just really interesting. Like,

[Theo Von]

is there room for you in that space? I saw something recently with you and Trump where you guys were, like, kind of flirting or whatever. Just palling around or whatever.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, we're flirting. He's cute.

[Theo Von]

No, I saw a thing where you guys. And he was giving you a lot of credit.

[Jake Paul]

I was nervous. Like, I was sweating. Hella. And.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. It's got to be a moment like that where you're like, okay, this is kind of wild.

[Jake Paul]

No. Yeah. Like, at that point, like, life didn't make sense. I had to, like, call my dad for him to ground me a little bit, but even he was like, bro, what the. This is the coolest thing in the world. Yeah. I've been, like, flirting with the idea of politics just because I think it goes back to Marcus Aurelius of, like, helping society. And, like, what? That's the number one thing you can do. And it's become a joke. Like, my. My business partner, Jeff Woo, we have a venture capital fund together.

[Theo Von]

Bring up Jeff. Bring up Woo. And let's get a gander at him.

[Jake Paul]

G. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. There is G. Woo.

[Theo Von]

Ji Woo. Knit.

[Jake Paul]

So six years ago, he was like, you're going to become the president.

[Theo Von]

No way. He said that. Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

And then it became less and less of a joke. And then I started to realize, like, oh, my God,

[Theo Von]

if.

[Jake Paul]

If. If I'm the best person to do it and can actually win, then, like, I might need to do it. I'm already playing the biggest games of life. Yeah. So will dabble in that if it makes sense. And if there's, like, a calo running on the Democratic Party, like, dumbass running and opposing, I will enter the game and. And risk getting assassinated. But I don't Want to, so.

[Theo Von]

And what would you wear? Like, a. You couldn't wear, like, a helmet or something? You'd have to have shields and stuff around you, probably. Or just you'd have to. How crazy would it be if to protect yourself, to run, you literally had to, like, almost like, I wonder if people running in the future, like, live stream from a bunker. Do you know what I'm saying? Do their things from, like, a protected space because it's going to get dangerous out there.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, no, you're a thousand percent right. Like, that. They actually probably will. Like, I, I, Yeah, like, I'm even scared just talking about this shit. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

But I think we're getting to a place where I could see something like that happening. I could see you running. I could see something like that. I could see, like, it does take something inside of people. I feel like, that they feel a sense of a purpose and a calling to something, and if they can make sure that that's not just attached to their own ego and they can make sure that there is a sense of, like, I can do something better. And I'm willing to put myself out there to do that.

[Jake Paul]

Yes. And sign up for the hardest job in the world.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Where you're 14 hours a day just cranking it. I seen Trump. His energy is why he's there. Like, he's a legend in that. In that sense. And it demands so much of you and will take away not only your life, but everyone that you're affiliated with. So you're also, like, signing your kids up for it. So, like, I really don't want to do it, but, like, it's become, like, a funny joke that I would. And then randomly Trump endorses me fully, which someone texted me that said, like, you'd have to pay him a billion dollars to get that endorsement.

[Theo Von]

And you got it for free right there.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Pull it up. Let me see a little endorsement. This is pretty good.

[Jake Paul]

God is with us. I know he wants us on the right side of history, and everyone here has to do their part. And God's got us. Trump's got us. God bless. Love you, Kentucky.

[Theo Von]

You did a good job there, man. That's a tough environment to be in that kind of space. I mean, it. Would it be something like, you would run with Vance? I mean, do you think it's something like that? Or would you start as mayor of, like, like, northern Puerto Rico or something? Or do you. Is there any talks or what is the concept? I guess. Sorry.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. So you actually are, like, super perceptive because yeah, that was. My plan was to start in northern Puerto Rico.

[Theo Von]

Npr, dude. Which just got defunded, so. Put it back on the map.

[Jake Paul]

I. I don't know. I honestly don't know.

[Theo Von]

But it's just something like. It's like a poor. It's like kind of like a light in the distance right now.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. And it just seems like we need heroes out there. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And.

[Jake Paul]

And like, Charlie would have been the guy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. So

[Jake Paul]

it's fucking sad, bro. He's fucking awesome.

[Theo Von]

Did you spend time with him?

[Jake Paul]

No, no. Just followed all of his stuff.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

But, like,

[Theo Von]

you know what?

[Jake Paul]

He was, like, aiming for it, though. I think that's the problem is, like, I'm just a fucking kid from Ohio that's a high school dropout. Like, if it makes sense at some point, then it makes sense. And that. That was like, his job and his purpose and all of that.

[Nate Diaz]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

And I loved that. But, like, it. You know, it. If someone was like, this is like me becoming a world champion in boxing, like, it makes more sense than Jake Paul becoming president. Charlie Kirk was clearly going to be the. The next president. So I think that's part of the whole thing that.

[Theo Von]

Right. The whole energy that's out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. That somebody. Did.

[Jake Paul]

They.

[Theo Von]

They. There was probably people that didn't want to see that possibly occur. They didn't want to see that get to the next level or. Yeah, there's a lot of investigatorial stuff about that. You know, some people say that it was like a microphone on his lapel that blew up and that that's what killed him. And then that microphone was made here in Tennessee. And then two weeks after that, the factory was made at Blue to smithereens, and, like, 16 people died, which is just a. Kind of a crazy. Like, that's one of the wildest kind of like, that's one of the most interesting theories that I've heard.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, there's a lot of conspiracy theories out there these days. And I was just with some, like, bros in Minnesota, and they were kind of asking me about these conspiracy theories because they were like, oh, he knows more than. Than I do. I think that a lot of it is. And people just want something to, like, hang on to. I. I don't disagree on, like, certain points, but you have to be really smart and selective to decipher the conspiracy theories that are out there and, like, realize which ones have, like, even a little bit of truth. But why, as a society, like, do we hang on to these?

[Theo Von]

So Much like conspiracy theories.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. Because it's like. Well, we love drama as humans basically. Like we just love bad news and we love to like we have become. Yes, this is the problem.

[Theo Von]

It is a problem.

[Jake Paul]

And so conspiracy theories give people a reason to gossip and like just, just like something to do. Bro, people are bored. Well, like I've never met rich person who's doing dope in life that gives a. About any of this because they're just have better to do that. That's the problem is like people need to go get a job and have a purpose. And

[Theo Von]

we're at a point though, I think where people can't trust mainstream media. They don't trust it. It's. It's heavily owned by a couple of corporations. And so I think that that created a lot of this space for like just outlier investigators, outlier people asking questions when every, you know, there's that famous thing during this.

[Jake Paul]

This is the problem is all of it has become an entertainment product.

[Theo Von]

It's all the wwe. I've been saying.

[Jake Paul]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Everything is the wwe.

[Jake Paul]

So. So this person who's claiming to tell the truth starts to dabble in like a little bit of like fun, fun, fun. Because it's gonna get more views. I mean it goes back to a lot of these people.

[Theo Von]

But you understand that. I mean you guys have done this

[Jake Paul]

is why I understand it.

[Theo Von]

Got it.

[Jake Paul]

It's because I do this. But, but the difference is I'm not doing it on things that like affect the world and I'm not talking about missiles in Iran and Israel and Charlie Kirk. I'm. I'm like talking to Conor McGregor.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Jake Paul]

So I'm down to like entertain. When it's in the entertainment world.

[Theo Von]

Got it.

[Jake Paul]

When it's in politics, like people shouldn't around and so like who is telling the truth these days?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And I wish you'd think with all this technology or something there would be able to be like a truth filter you could put over something on your phone. But then I guess it would be like what is the arbiter of the truth? Like it's like a lot of these like AI models now. It's like they have information that's put into them so they're only going to spit out whatever's, whatever, you know, like the information is controlled so you're only going to get answers that are based on it. One thing you said that I did want to say that I thought was interesting was during the Roman Empire, a lot of the, the politicians also had to fight on the battlefield. So that was one thing that I thought was really amazing about those times where it's like, if they were going to make choices that affected the lives of like the citizens of the military, of like the farmer who was putting down his pitchfork and picking up a sword, like they had to be out there as leaders as well. And I feel like that's where some of your energy comes from. And so I think I, I admire that.

[Jake Paul]

I think it's dope. And I agree. Like, if I ever was running for office, I would also be like super down to have a AR15 and fucking shoot these motherfuckers out of a fucking

[Theo Von]

gun and a shield.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, bro. Like, who has that? I'm down to die, bro. I think I put that on the line with Anthony Joshua. Like, I'm down for this, bro. But like you're. I think you're right. It's a, that's a really good point actually. Like Trump should be on the front lines or Baron, I don't know if he's old enough yet.

[Theo Von]

He might be too tall to be out there too, dude.

[Jake Paul]

Bro's a big target. He's gonna stand out, bro. And he's good looking and so like he's. They're gonna be like, oh yeah, that guy. Get him. I. If, if this is a funny question. If, if aliens came to Earth, which human would you want them to meet? Only could meet one human. What human?

[Theo Von]

Oh, I think, I don't know. If you send like a brother over there. Probably NBA young boy maybe, dude, I think. Because I think that would Jim be. Yeah, yeah. Well, have you seen the. That who.

[Jake Paul]

You know what? I was thinking this.

[Theo Von]

Let's go, dude. And welcome to America's last brain cell. Well, I'm the Avon and this is Jake Paul. Oh, dude, what about your freaking. Mom was trying to freaking holler at me. Is that true? What was happening? Yeah, she was married.

[Jake Paul]

She is. They're in a great relationship. I love, I love my mom and stepdad. Damn, am I only gonna get in trouble? Is this bad?

[Theo Von]

And Derek, is that your stepdad? Rick. Derek.

[Jake Paul]

David.

[Theo Von]

David. I was wondering the other day, I was like, what is this stepdad's name?

[Jake Paul]

Okay, so this, I mean, philosophically.

[Theo Von]

What?

[Jake Paul]

Philosophically, if a woman is in a relationship for 30 years with a normal guy for sure. And then the fucking mohawk comes out with the ovan. She might start flirting, bro.

[Theo Von]

When you see the Lord's parakeet.

[Jake Paul]

Exactly my point though.

[Theo Von]

You gotta.

[Jake Paul]

And my mom is a, is the goat. She's A life maxer. So she's gonna. Life max and she's pulling up pictures.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. That's who she is right there.

[Jake Paul]

That's Pam.

[Theo Von]

I am Boy, Bro,

[Jake Paul]

would you have done it, though?

[Theo Von]

And by done, what do you mean? Take her out for ice cream or a film? Yes. Are you talking about, like, what are you talking about? I would have taken her for ice cream out. I had her own early.

[Jake Paul]

And that's why I approve of your guys. Dude, good answer. Political answer.

[Theo Von]

I'd be a good stepdad, though. Dude.

[Jake Paul]

Bro, if you were my stepdad, I'd be so happy, bro.

[Theo Von]

Bro, I would.

[Jake Paul]

That's all I need in life, honestly.

[Theo Von]

I would let y' all smoke. Not in the house, something, but I would let y' all smoke.

[Jake Paul]

Which kind of smoke?

[Theo Von]

Huh? You can smoke dope. Smoke it outside. I don't give a. As long as you don't smoke outside of our bedroom window or something. We're trying to rest.

[Jake Paul]

My mom's hot, huh?

[Theo Von]

I think she's a beautiful lady. I like her. Think she's hot. I don't know. I'd have to see her again in person.

[Jake Paul]

She did the splits for you, bro.

[Theo Von]

Oh, my God. She did. I think I have some photos of that. Dude, your dad was right there. I was like, what are we doing here?

[Jake Paul]

You know, that's my. No, they're. They're divorced. That was the. That was. That. Yeah. That's not her husband. That was there. Oh, that was my dad and mom, but their divorce got it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know. I think he even was like, you know. You know, I'll tell you what not to do, you know, I think he said some stuff like that to me, so I think there was, like, a mix of, like, energy there. But. Yeah, I know. And she's an author. I admire that. I know. She just came out with a book, right?

[Jake Paul]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Fuck the. Paul.

[Jake Paul]

Fuck the polls.

[Theo Von]

Fuck the polls, yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Great book, by the way, for the polls. I would say, like, mostly

[Theo Von]

if people

[Jake Paul]

have an interest in, like, fame and navigating it, I think it's a good book.

[Theo Von]

What effect do you think she had over the years on, like, did she kind of. Was she ever, like, an orchestrator of things, or was she just kind of like somebody who was just supporting in the distance? Like, because it's interesting how a mom reacts to, like, I think, their son's journey through popularity and, like, because for a while they're just their son, and then they're kind of like us. A pseudo Sibling or something to everybody in a way, you know.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, I definitely like supporting from afar, but like more recently she's gotten more involved in like knowing who she is and being like you to these certain people in my life that aren't good. So she's become a more of a protector. I think at first I was, me and my brother were like teaching her and she's very smart lady, but I think it was such a new world for her of social media and so I think she, she always was giving her 100% best effort to help in any way possible. And that came across in different ways. But I think more recently she's, she's become more of a protector and more opinionated and she knows she has more confidence in her opinions and I think that's been good for both Logan and I.

[Theo Von]

Do you think that you guys careers have allowed you to see a new side of your mom that you are really that makes you like have even some more unique thoughts about her? Does that make any sense?

[Jake Paul]

No. 100%.

[Theo Von]

Yeah,

[Jake Paul]

that's what it was is is admiring her more because like I was built for this and destined for it and you don't know if your parents are always on that same wavelength. And I think a lot of celebrities and their parents probably don't even get along or talk or are involved. Like I see a lot of that and it turns out that she was built for this and she's ready for the fire, which is gangster. And I was like, that's my mom

[Theo Von]

and that's my freaking wife.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, sorry.

[Theo Von]

No, that's my first date, dude. I'm just saying take us to an award show. But yeah, I would take her somewhere nice.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, like what restaurant you think? Or.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I know where I would take her. A place that has a golf course. But we don't play golf. We're just going to go eat there.

[Jake Paul]

Nice.

[Theo Von]

Watch the rich people come in. Oh, there's Tom. You know, shit like that.

[Jake Paul]

Leonard. Oh, yes. He has an institutional financial estate. Yeah, Leonard. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

He has a tramp stamp on his back too. Don't tell anybody.

[Jake Paul]

He got kind of crazy one month in the Hamptons. Oh, Leonard's crazy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And I would just let her drink wine and I wouldn't drink any, but I would smell her breath every now and then to get a hit of it, you know, just to get the grapes in my nose. Boy.

[Jake Paul]

How, how much would you like huff it?

[Theo Von]

Oh, I take it.

[Jake Paul]

Good.

[Theo Von]

Dude, I would reverse boof it. I would put a straw in her mouth. And it just sucked the wine smoke out of her throat. This is getting bad. Dear God. I just ordered a. What am I, some kind of smuts.

[Jake Paul]

I need another whiskey. Blue raspberry. Can one of you get it for me?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, go get him one.

[Jake Paul]

It's in the refrigerator. So. Yeah, so.

[Theo Von]

And there's ice in the fridge. So.

[Jake Paul]

So.

[Theo Von]

Oh, but no, no, I think it's. I've gotten to know her a little bit of this just by seeing her here and there. And I think her, I think her energy and I think it's something nice when you get a chance in your life to see your mom in a different way. And I think that's what happened. Yeah. And I think that that's. It's almost like a beautiful thing in a way. You almost get to see. Just to see somebody grow into something different at some point in their life is really special. Whether that's. And it can be in any way, but I think so. So yeah, I could really imagine that. That's nice.

[Jake Paul]

No, exactly. And like a lot I, I've noticed a lot of people don't change or don't know how to and evolve and they just like get stuck in their same patterns and especially when they're older because if you've been doing something for 40 or 50 years, you're gonna like get stuck in that rut. And so to like see her change and actually be able to like evolve is. Is beautiful. And I noticed it with my dad as well. He's a little bit more behind, but he's doing it and he's doing the work and that's beautiful.

[Theo Von]

That's awesome, man. I think it's cool like whenever, like as a child you get to be a part of something like that and see that and like, I think there's a lot of like kind of like growth and moments there for ourselves and our parents, you know. Yeah. Being a son is an interesting responsibility when you realize that it's not just like one of taking in a way. And I don't mean that it just because that's how it is when you're, you think it's just like this one way sort of thing.

[Jake Paul]

It. It is like you're, you're like. Until you're like conscious enough to not take from your parents. It really is a one way relationship and it's the first one. One way relationship in your life. Do you, do you have, do you have kids or like what's going on? No, no. Wife.

[Theo Von]

I don't have any kids. I'm not dating right now. I'm just working on myself. And so it's been, like, the last year has been kind of tough with just, like, just staying on track. And then I realized I was just kind of putting myself, like, in situate. Like, just things that I wasn't. Like, they weren't, like, all, like, rungs on the ladder towards my goal. You know, some of them were fun rungs and things like that, but it just wasn't where I needed to be. And, like, some of the sobriety has been a little bit tough over the past year or so, but right now I'm doing better than I've done in a long time. And. And so, yeah, I feel good about that. I need hard. It is. I need to go down especially for

[Jake Paul]

you in, like, your position and all of those things, like, people, you. It's hard to find the right person that doesn't have the wrong intentions.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I feel like I'm a decent judge of that kind of stuff. I think I'm enjoying kind of not having to date and do things like that.

[Jake Paul]

The problem is, is you can't judge it until it's, like, time, because people are good actors these days.

[Theo Von]

So how did you know your girl was the right one for you? I think was there, like, an experience y' all had together or, like, a thing being at.

[Jake Paul]

Just being at the same level, like, in terms of wealth or fame or stature? Because then, you know, there's, like, not games. So, yeah, you might have to, like, find a famous girl. I don't know. I don't know. But they also could, like, understand, like, yeah, what?

[Theo Von]

Right?

[Jake Paul]

Like, like, you. You go to, like, a waitress girl today, and you're like, Theo's like, oh, I had a podcast with Jake Paul, and we talked about blackface, and it was insane. And it's gonna break the Internet, and let's see what happens. And then she's just like, yeah, I'm a waitress. Like, do you want a shot? Like, she's not going to understand the importance of that or you. Or like, what right did I think,

[Theo Von]

yeah, there could be some. That. But if she goes, well, I know what you're going to have the black and salmon. If she said that as a joke, then I would know, okay, maybe this is. She at least has a sense of humor. So a scent of humor is big for me. I do think, like, yeah, there's some things. It's like, you also don't want to add discomfort to someone's life. I don't want to add, like, if some of my, like, bullshit or the little things that I'm involved in, I don't want that to mess up somebody's life, if, you know, like.

[Jake Paul]

But that's. That. That. That's also why the, like, famous girl would be good, because

[Theo Von]

I got to.

[Jake Paul]

She's already, like, balls deep.

[Theo Von]

I got to meet one there. I will one of these days when I get back out there. I saw that you and your. Did you and your father do ayahuasca? Who did it?

[Jake Paul]

Yes.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I've been there a few times, man.

[Jake Paul]

Ayah. Yeah. Okay.

[Theo Von]

And thank God. I mean, dude, I'll even talk to this every now and then, watch him tell ayahuasca. Dude, you look at a house plant way different. You're like, how are you boys this morning? You know? Huh?

[Jake Paul]

Ten and two, you know, bro, I'm not gonna lie, bro. I've talked to.

[Theo Von]

Have you talked about this ad nauseam? I didn't know if you have.

[Jake Paul]

Well, about what?

[Theo Von]

Have you talked about this so much? I didn't even know.

[Jake Paul]

No, no, no, no. I. No, I'm saying after doing ayahuasca, I, like, grab steel sometimes. They're like, aluminum and metal and being like, talk to it because it's a living object. People don't understand that metal is a living object. So that sounds insane, but, like, it's no different than a plant.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, they're.

[Jake Paul]

They're atoms moving around. And so I. I actually talk to the items in my house to, like, give them better energy.

[Theo Von]

Like, let me. Let me boost your spirits today, guys. I know you're a bookshelf, but you don't know what you're holding on to. You know what I'm saying? You've got everything. You've got the crucible right here on your back. You've got all these freaking Moby Dicks carrying the bottom Bible, the seven Bibles, bro.

[Jake Paul]

My bookshelf is tired, bro.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you got dunkirk on.

[Jake Paul]

You gotta talk to it.

[Theo Von]

You have no clue what you're doing.

[Jake Paul]

I like that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. But to boost up your boys, who are carrying all your words around, I like that.

[Jake Paul]

I boost up everything in my house, bro.

[Theo Von]

Where'd you guys. Where'd you guys do it at? Did somebody come to you?

[Jake Paul]

I've done it, like, a bunch of times, okay? Mostly Costa Rica.

[Nate Diaz]

Oh,

[Theo Von]

and did your wife go, too?

[Jake Paul]

Yes.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. There's a video and.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, dude. You got the fancy one. I did it right outside of a Popeyes over there off the 101.

[Jake Paul]

You just did it here?

[Theo Von]

No, off the 101 in LA. Near a neighborhood.

[Jake Paul]

You can't do that, bro. You gotta like, dude, the shit was pop. But it was good. It was good.

[Theo Von]

It was popping.

[Jake Paul]

Okay. What was like the biggest thing you took away from it then? Like, oh, dude, I like,

[Theo Von]

I remember. I mean, you went like a deep thing.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, I've.

[Theo Von]

There was a point, like I remembered this feeling that I had when I was a kid that maybe if I was a. Like if I was a girl that I would. My parents would love me more that that So I was like. There was like this weird like. Like just questioning of who I was or something. I remember that that was like a crazy thought that I had when I was a kid.

[Jake Paul]

I mean that. That's like a comparable thing which goes back to like then they probably. Probably made you feel compared or some weird like. I don't know how to psychoanalyze all

[Theo Von]

of that, but it was something. Yeah. I just thought like, maybe like they don't see me as I am, so maybe it was just a thought that I was a kid. Well, maybe if I was a girl they would see me. It was just. But that's kind of a crazy thought

[Jake Paul]

that a kid would have and it sucks.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. So things like that and you kind of process those like, you know, you process for like a kid feeling those things.

[Jake Paul]

Yep. I think the biggest one for me was self love. It was like, just like putting the mirror up of like look at yourself and how come you don't love yourself sometimes. And in a lot of moments I do, but I think that trickles out into a lot of other areas of life where. It can not be good.

[Theo Von]

Like where it turns into like. Like between where it turns into ego or where it turns into that kind of stuff.

[Jake Paul]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. It's scary.

[Jake Paul]

Yep. And just like. Yeah, just like even insecurity is a part of self love. And so I've actually like really worked on it and gotten so much better at it. And I. I feel secure now. But I came from a place of. Of insecurity. But it takes practice to. To get there and to find that confidence and that love and to know who you are and not give a. What anyone thinks. Because I. I also was like judged and in public scrutiny and all of these things since I was like 19. So I think that was the biggest thing was. Was self love. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Dude, it's funny we're talking about this the other day in a meeting and thanks for sharing that with me. We're talking about did your dad say any wild while he was in there? Was he in there capping,

[Jake Paul]

bro?

[Theo Von]

He's like, her name was Janet. Was he just yelling in there or whatever, bro.

[Jake Paul]

I literally had to, because that's great, bro.

[Theo Von]

To sit there with your. With a. One of the people that created you and to be on that journey, that seems wild to me. Was it like that or was it not like that? It just seemed like it wasn't.

[Jake Paul]

It wasn't. I had to. I realized the. The like, sweetest thing about my father is that he's a protector and he's a warrior. And he was so high off of ayahuasca that he was, like, trying to, like, figure out where his fiance was and, like, protect her. And he thought that, like, people were, like, trying to attack her, and there was no one there. And he was just like, I need to get. I need to protect. I need to do this. I need to do this. So he's, like, installing security systems. Literally he was. He turned into Secret Service.

[Theo Von]

But there he is, right there he is drinking soup through his head. That guy's walking out of his dome, bro.

[Jake Paul]

So it's really interesting, though, like, get a spoon, honky.

[Theo Von]

Sorry, that's my mom driving by, just

[Jake Paul]

telling me to brush my teeth, so.

[Theo Von]

So was his mind blown if he'd never done anything like that?

[Jake Paul]

All right, so he had a stroke before this and before Ayahuasca. And I've always been into psychedelics because I'm in the sport where you get hit in the head and there's science around mushrooms creating neurogenesis as. As well as toad five five meo. Dmt. Yeah. I'm friends with Brian Johnson. I was just.

[Theo Von]

He just did it.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. I. I relate to him that sense. I've done it like 10 times. And so I basically, like, told him at some point to do it as a science thing.

[Theo Von]

And

[Jake Paul]

these things are like actual magic in the world. And people don't understand their significance and how profound they are and how much healing can be done. And when you talk to these people from the Sonaran tribe who are, like, masters in the toad, and that's where they, like, originated cures, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, all of these things. The list goes on and on and on. And it's actually, like, shielded from. There's a reason why it's illegal in the United States. Because of big pharma. Yeah. And etc.

[Theo Von]

Big Pharma sucks, dude.

[Jake Paul]

We can go down that rabbit hole, but.

[Theo Von]

Well, there's a law they're trying to pass a law right now and that they're allowing ibogaine in, in Tennessee and, and they need to pass it. It's something. All these, all these plant medicines need to be, they need to be approved 100% now. People don't need to be buying them out of a fucking like a one of those like skill crane machines or something like that at a Pizza Hut or whatever, you know.

[Jake Paul]

But, but, but, but it's fucking wild that you could just go to any local place here, five minutes away and get fucking double Moscow Mule. Yeah, but you can't do something that's actually good for you. What does that say about our leaders, about pharma, about insurance, all of these things. So, and there's, there's no one's ever fucking done toad or mushrooms and like done something bad. Yeah, but you've seen hundreds of times where the alcoholic is shooting up a place and killing people and beating his wife. So like what the are we doing as a society? It's, it's ass backwards. It's sad.

[Theo Von]

And I agree. I mean I just. Yeah, I think it's awesome that you are such a proponent of that man. Because that's a big thing that's going on right now, I think. When is that billed? Can you look it up for me? The Helping Open Pathways to effective Treatment Act HB 2075 is under consideration in the 2025, 2026 legislative SESs. The bill would not legalize obigaine for general use. Instead it would create a state framework for FDA supervised clinical trials targeting opioid use disorder, co occurring substance disorders, PTSD and related brain injury conditions. Funded via a public private matching grant structure. I'm a proponent of that.

[Jake Paul]

Are you thousand percent.

[Theo Von]

Amen. There, you heard that fucking vote. Let's fucking vote. Vote for toad. That's it bro.

[Jake Paul]

We love frogs and toads.

[Theo Von]

Did your relationship with your dad change after or no? Or was it just kind of another.

[Jake Paul]

Okay, so that, I mean so there's like a really interesting thing that happened to him when you know the like ayahuasca experts, they've like seen everything. And my dad had a stroke and you could viscerally see a difference in how he talked and acted. He like wasn't there. It was like lights on, no one's home. Like 60% not full on. But it was sad and I was like yo, like talk to a bunch of people, blah blah, let's do ayahuasca. So he basically did it and what the shamans were saying was and what they could feel. They're experts at this shit by the way, and it's not bullshit. They don't give a fuck, bro. Like they live in the middle of the fucking jungle in fucking Peru. There were just like, I could tell his spirit was cut and his. During this experience his spirit came back to him and oh yeah, like since that day he's just been normal again.

[Theo Von]

No way.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. So no, noticeably everyone notices it and everyone was worried before it. Like they were like, yo, like he's got. I don't want to use the R word right because I would never say ret or fat.

[Theo Von]

But like I don't say it.

[Jake Paul]

No, me either.

[Theo Von]

I'll spray paint it on your wall.

[Jake Paul]

I'll never say it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, but I'm not saying in it.

[Jake Paul]

But he was like low key and

[Theo Von]

well that's not even. Yeah, that's fine.

[Jake Paul]

It brought him back. So.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, and imagine that, dude, imagine you just somebody rolls into like a learning disabled class. Which I was in. And I was in. Yeah, I was in there for not a long time, but I did a little bit of time in there. And imagine somebody rolls in there one day and the next day that classroom opens up and kids can be healed. I think there's a lot of healing in this stuff. Related psychedelic evidence right there on this is on Perplexity. Dmt, ayahuasca's key active component, is under phase one trials for stroke safety and recovery potential with pre clinical data indicating brain healing via neuroplasticity. Wow.

[Jake Paul]

So, so this is science, right? And there's a big problem with science. And yes, it's that everything is like documented and like experiment and like measure, measure, measure and there's a good side of that. But bro, these fucking people have been doing psychedelics for thousands of years and have reported studies human to human. They're not scientists but they have the human to human conversation of like yo, this actually worked.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Jake Paul]

And so that's not going to be on. Yeah, Perplexity.

[Theo Von]

Well, it's not some gooner in a lab wearing kids who's doing all this. You know we're talking about real. Yeah. People that are in the woods who have been doing. They know what's going on.

[Jake Paul]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

It's crazy how we've gotten so far away from like all this. Like how we got so far away from all these like real healing methods that have been alive for thousands of years. And then we got into this just like bare Monsanto where we're all just addicted to stuff and it's Ruining people's lives. And then now we're getting back out of that. I feel like we're getting back out of that faster than ever, though.

[Jake Paul]

Do you feel that?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I think.

[Jake Paul]

I think I do. I do. I do.

[Theo Von]

And because we trusted our government, we trusted that these. That the EPA and fda, all these things were taking care of us. We. But now it's like fudge. They're making us sick. There's a health care that doesn't want to take care of. It's like, it's a. It's been a. It's been a road.

[Jake Paul]

Yes. And like, the best thing is that social media removed the barriers for information, knowledge, and anyone can say whatever they want. And I find that the truth is, like,

[Theo Von]

it.

[Jake Paul]

I. I don't find. I know that the truth is, like, resonating more. So people, like, understand more about health. Psychedelics. Yeah, Peptides. Love relationships, authenticity. There's a reason why, like, certain celebrities are, like, falling off is because they're just like, oh, you're fake as fuck. We don't like you. So I think it's a good thing. It's a great thing. And it almost goes back to, like, freedom of speech, but, like, imagine freedom of speech with marketing behind it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I think it's like, I do. I. You can hope that we're in a new revolution of some sort, you know? That's always a nice hope to have, I find. Dude, let's talk about some of these fights. Dude, who had the dumbest trunks on that you fought? You thought you're like this. I'm knocking this guy out just because of the trunks. Was there anybody who's just like, I can't.

[Jake Paul]

I'm not gonna lie, bro, Like, Ben Askren. I love the guy. I donated to his double lung surgery, but, like, bro, he just doesn't have any steez. Yeah, he's the most, like, vanilla, like, dumbass white guy who just, like, got told what to wear. Bro, it's the most. I don't even remember it until you pulled up this photo. But, like, bro, he looks like a idiot.

[Theo Von]

He just wore kind of, like, trunks from the.

[Jake Paul]

Like. You literally just like, found him at a local store. Yeah, it's.

[Theo Von]

He always had this. There was always an energy during that where it seemed like he just kind of woken up earlier, you know? And blessings. Tammy's doing much better now, dude. So what about MVP? You guys have hosts. You guys have promoted, like, 30 fights now.

[Jake Paul]

Okay. You're. You're teaching me this information.

[Theo Von]

Okay, thank you. How has that been. As a promoter, how has it been different than you thought it would be? What's been, like, what is. What is some of the energy going on with that?

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. Like, we came into the game and this was like, I saw boxing as like Taxi, and we were Uber and it was just like, so obvious. And we operate as like, a startup and me and my business partner don't need money.

[Theo Von]

Who, Jiwoo?

[Jake Paul]

No, Nikisa.

[Theo Von]

Okay, sorry.

[Jake Paul]

He's from Iran. Jeff's gonna love this. He's gonna watch it and be like, oh, yeah, that's good, Jeff. I think you should change your Instagram. Gwen. It. So me and Nikisa have money from other shit and don't need to do it. And that's why our motto is always like, fighter first. And that's. That's actually, like, very important. So when you start there, where you like fighter first and operate as a startup, we, like, instantly took over and resonated with fighters and are clearly the best to work with and make our fighters the most amount of money and give them the highest percentage of the fights, etc. Um, but on top of that, if you, like, just want to talk analytics, like coming into the game, I have 100 million followers or something like that.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Jake Paul]

And the second biggest promoter is Dana white with like 30. So I'm like three times bigger than him.

[Theo Von]

Is that y' all's biggest competition then? Is it. Is there another boxing? I guess there's Zufa. There's Zufa's new.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, they just started and they're already making, like, a lot of mistakes and are quite quite basic. And yeah, like, you don't want to pay Connor Ben $15 million to do an easy ass fight against Regis right off, rip. Because your whole UFC model is paying fighters like, one third of that max.

[Theo Von]

And do you think it sets a tough precedent for them?

[Jake Paul]

Exactly. They already fucked up, like, bad. Maybe if they were to, like, buy us or partner with us, they would, like, have such a better outcome, which I truly believe.

[Theo Von]

Could you see a world where your partner.

[Jake Paul]

I'm. I'm open to it. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Bias. Like, we'll help you guys not be idiots. You, you, you would. The amount of money you would spend. Like, I don't have an ego, bro. I'll work with anybody.

[Theo Von]

But Dane is a very smart guy.

[Jake Paul]

I mean, he's not smart enough.

[Theo Von]

What makes you say that?

[Jake Paul]

Just look at what he's doing. Like, you don't. You don't not pay your fighters, bro. Like, you don't get Jon Jones on the White House card. First of all, Justin Gai is going to lose to Ilia on the White House card. So you have a Spaniard beating a white American on the patriotic White House card. Like, okay, big mistake, first of all. Second of all, why are you not gonna pay Jon Jones?

[Theo Von]

Do you think it was a financial thing with him or would you.

[Jake Paul]

This is, like, one of the most profitable sports organizations in history. Their. Their investors have gotten greedy. They're in control. They. They are looking at the P. Ls and being like, yo, like, we can just keep pumping this. And they're not. They're not. They forgot their heart as a company. That's the problem. And so. It's. It's dying. And also, mma is not like a. I'm always going to speak the truth. And I'm. I'm partners with Netflix on an MMA event, so.

[Theo Von]

Well, I know you guys have that. Do you guys have that event coming up.

[Jake Paul]

But MMA hasn't stood the test of time because the best people in the

[Theo Von]

sport

[Jake Paul]

become wrestlers, and they just like.

[Theo Von]

Hold on, what do you mean? Like CM Punk? You mean there's a lot of great

[Jake Paul]

fighters in the no Khabib Cosmo.

[Theo Von]

Like, oh, they become wrestlers. I've seen, like, round game guys.

[Jake Paul]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

And not like WWE guys.

[Jake Paul]

Just boring. No one wants to watch that.

[Theo Von]

There is a level.

[Jake Paul]

So. So it hasn't stood the test of time.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Boxing has been around since the 1500s. MMA is 30 years, and it's declining. And also because it's not ran properly and they're becoming greedy. And it's like a super corporate organization where they're signed with Paramount, they have stockholders. It's a part of the wwe. Aria Manual, public company, blah, blah, blah. So when they're paying fighters, like, 15 of the revenue, by the way, down to 10%, the investors are going to be like, yeah, we're going to make more money.

[Theo Von]

Is it 1 to 10%? When they change it, it's.

[Jake Paul]

It's going down.

[Theo Von]

So you're just. You're assuming that it is.

[Jake Paul]

The NFL pays their athletes 50% of the revenue.

[Theo Von]

Got it.

[Jake Paul]

So if the NFL makes a billion dollars, the athletes make 500 million. Got it. In the UFC, it's 150 million out of a billion. But when you exclude Conor McGregor and Jon Jones from that, it becomes like 5, 0. Like 5%. 50 million out of a billion.

[Theo Von]

Because they make less. You mean the overall gross is less? So then the percentage is less.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, because that number factors in the super fights. Were.

[Theo Von]

I am a UFC fan, and I've just enjoyed being associated over there. I have so much fun over there. It's such an interesting thing. I'm. You know, some of the business side I don't know about, but I. It does feel like. Here's what I hear. People say the cards have gotten not as interesting. Right. Because there's more cards. But you also hear people say that, like my sponsor was saying this morning, he's saying, dude, I love that I can just turn on Paramount and that the UFC is on there every week. So I think there's, like, you know, there's different avenues to go down with it, and I think that Sports Paramount,

[Jake Paul]

like, who has that? Do you have one?

[Theo Von]

I don't know exactly. Yes. I don't know if I do.

[Jake Paul]

That's what I'm saying.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I might. I probably do. I don't.

[Jake Paul]

I. I think. I think I have one. But, like, I don't know. Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Theo Von]

So. But I do.

[Jake Paul]

Like, if they were like, gun to head, gonna shoot you login probably couldn't

[Theo Von]

figure out the logarithms, dude.

[Jake Paul]

That's true.

[Theo Von]

So that's. Bro, that's a great game show, dude. Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

LogAndDeath.com

[Theo Von]

all right, today we. Someday, you pull him in blindfolded. He's like, you got 30 seconds to get into Spotify Premium.

[Jake Paul]

Everyone would die.

[Theo Von]

He gets to call his wife. You get one call, but that person can't look it up. Yeah, you. I thought you knew this, honey. Damn it, Stephanie.

[Jake Paul]

You're the one that.

[Theo Von]

What is it?

[Jake Paul]

You're the one.

[Theo Von]

Wizard 60. What is it? You guys are co promoting the new MMA card that's on Netflix.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. So that's. The whole thing is like, bro, why laughing, bro?

[Theo Von]

Look at this is. This is crazy, though, bro. Was there another opportunity for Ngannou to fight someone else? I mean, I know that lens is kind of a new name to a lot of people. Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

But he. He's. He's very good.

[Theo Von]

It's.

[Jake Paul]

It's a more dangerous fight for him than. Who do we have as the other opponent?

[Theo Von]

It should be Gunnover Stan Bigfoot. If y' all could find him, people would watch that.

[Jake Paul]

We had a. We had a. I forget who the it was. We had a different name who was a bigger name and easier fight for him. So as Francis is, you know, we joke around and fight, blah, blah, marketing, but like, respect to him for. For doing this. And it's a very challenging fight. So it's going to Be fun. And. And Diaz versus Perry. Like, it just gangster. Gangster, bro.

[Theo Von]

We just had actually Nate Diaz on this is before we knew that you were coming on. And he was on like, it hasn't even come out yet. But he did talk about this. Something. Pull up the clip that he had talked about.

[Jake Paul]

He talked about some of the fight fights between us.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, we talked about a couple of things here, let me see what we got in here.

[Nate Diaz]

I'm not fighting for mvp. I'm fighting for Netflix and I'm fighting from Real Fight Incorporated, which I'll probably be doing next with Netflix anyway. Real fight entertainment on a thing and show you how to throw a real MMA fight show. I've been in the UFC for 20 years now, so I'm like, yo, I'm gonna do that from real fighting with, you know, I'm not working for mvp like all these other are. I'm a UFC fighter. I'm working for me for real fighting. And I'm hunting Jake Paul's ass, not taking a fight with a guy who's on the comeback. Me and Connor will fight again when the time is right and it's time to fight, but it's going to be when we both on the uprise, not. Not when someone's dying out the whole fighting. Even like Paul, I feel like I beat Ball.

[Theo Von]

A lot of people felt that way,

[Nate Diaz]

but it was his, like, big show, so it's like, okay, all right. But I know. I know from experience, I ain't winning no decisions even if I do. So watch that fight over and don't read the punch count in your own count without somebody else's. I won that fight, too.

[Theo Von]

What do you think there, Jake? And that was Nate.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. No, I. I never say the word. I think it's, like, super offensive. I would never say it. When you see someone that's like. It's just hard to, like, comprehend what they're saying. And I'm going to take, like, a business higher level. I'm going to take the high road.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Jake Paul]

Because he technically is working for my company and he's trying to deny it in that clip. And I'll just leave it there because I don't care about that. I want MMA to grow. But yes, technically, like, he's. He's literally lying. I don't work for him. Okay, that's fine, bro. Like, whatever your ego wants.

[Theo Von]

Mm.

[Jake Paul]

I'll bend down to it for now because MMA is going to prosper, and you, Nate, should just not lie. And yeah, fuck.

[Theo Von]

Like, do you think he's lying about the part about him thinking that he won.

[Jake Paul]

Oh, that. That's. That's. That's. I, I. I don't address stupidity like that. That's the most bizarre part about it. But, like, I don't have time to address stupidity because then you give it more momentum, and maybe I'll do it just. Just this one time. But, like the judges said, I won every single round, so if it was, like, a close fight, that would be a different combo, but this guy was, like, easy work. Lightest puncher I've ever fought.

[Theo Von]

Is that true? You just saying that?

[Jake Paul]

On my mom's life. Rest in peace. Strike her down. God. Nate Diaz is. Is the. Is the lightest and worst puncher I've ever fought. He's the toughest, and he took the most damage. But in a sport, that's. It's not something to brag about, like, I'm the tough bro. People, People. People come up to me and they're like, you're so tough. You took shots from Joshua. I was like this. I don't want to be complimented like this.

[Theo Von]

Right?

[Jake Paul]

I don't want to be tough. That means you're just getting beat up.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Like the fuck.

[Theo Von]

That's. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point, dude. I don't want to be tough, bro.

[Jake Paul]

Any boxer is tough. Sucks. No, I'm joking, but, like, my coaches told me this early on. They're like, this is not a tough sport. This is a mental sport.

[Theo Von]

Do you feel like you owe Nate or one of the other UFC guys in MMA bout? Does that. Does any of that weigh on you sometimes? Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. I, I, I want Nate in mma, and, And I think it's a good bout. Yeah, I think. I think it's. It's high on my list of priorities to do that.

[Theo Von]

And what's the toughest? Like, kind of like barrier to entry to getting that done? Is it just the time it would take to get more prolific in some of that ground game and stuff in, In. In jiu jitsu?

[Jake Paul]

No, no, it's. It's just the business side.

[Theo Von]

Got it.

[Jake Paul]

He probably wants a certain amount of money to take the risk in losing to me,

[Theo Von]

and.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, I just don't give a. I have enough money. I got all my. So that. That's why these guys are actual ducks, is because you can't, like, hide behind money anymore. So, yeah, I think. I think it's gonna happen, though. And, and if. If he beats Perry, then me versus Nate is probably the number one thing on the List, like, above Tommy Fury, above Francis Ngannou, above KSI.

[Theo Von]

Do you think he could beat Perry?

[Jake Paul]

I think he will, yeah. I think I'll take him down and submit him. What do you think?

[Theo Von]

That's such a dog fight, dude. Mike Perry's first of all, the funny. They're two of like, really the most beloved outlier guys that, like, they're just such. Both unique guys and they kind of like, they do things their own way. I mean, I'm just. I'm trying to evade the question.

[Jake Paul]

What's the program you have with the charity?

[Theo Von]

It's the program for the all. It's for like, parents. Parents of autistic children giving them like a day off.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, so like that. That's why this fight is awesome. Is like their parents are both gonna get hella days off.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't see it, but yeah. Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

So you think they're smart like you. You would classify Nate Diaz and. And Mike Perry as smart? And by the way, that's secluded from artists, okay? Like autistic people. The smartest people in the world. But like, I'm just obviously joking, but I think, I think they're smart.

[Theo Von]

I think they got the toughest autism that there exists.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I wish I touch gloves. Tis. You know, that's what I want, dude.

[Jake Paul]

If they were starting a company, would you invest in it?

[Theo Von]

Come on, bro. That's crazy, bro. That's a crazy thing to ask somebody. And during the daytime, I'm pretty sure it's like six, I think, dude. I would. It depends on what kind of business it was, I think. Oh, yeah. If it were like a dog catching business. Yeah, bro.

[Jake Paul]

Or brain rejuvenation.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, I think. What? Yeah, if it's like. Yeah. Doing taxes and. Nah, now it's just fine. Yeah, if it's just. If it's getting your money back from somebody down the street business, then take my money, fellas. You got it. I'm in. Dude, there's a female. There's a. We gotta get that.

[Jake Paul]

No, no, no, we don't. We don't.

[Theo Von]

We do, dude.

[Jake Paul]

No, bro, you know how much. You know how many clips we pumped out of this? We're gonna be on Twitter for like nine days straight.

[Theo Von]

It's ridiculous, dude. God, I gotta get some help. That's the number one thing I say to myself every day, dude, is I gotta get some help. Rousey, Karano. What do you feel about this bout, dude? Kurano's been out for a while.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, I. I think Was it tough

[Theo Von]

to make that the lead bout? Was there a purpose in that? Like, a reason behind it?

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, we're. We're like proponents for. For women mostly, like, putting them on the forefront. And I genuinely, like, believe that women's boxing is so entertaining. They're shorter rounds and they just, like, go at each other, and I think they have a chip on their shoulder. So it becomes more entertaining than like, a 12 round Floyd versus De La Hoya where they're just, like, tapping each other for 12 rounds and everyone's disappointed. So, yeah, that was. That was part of the purpose. And.

[Theo Von]

And that's mvpw. That was part of a group you guys launched.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, we. Yeah. So my comedy's mvp and then. And then we have mvp W. Which is like, women's.

[Theo Von]

That.

[Jake Paul]

That side of things.

[Theo Von]

And were you searching for your fighters? How were you gonna populate this to have good bouts? Like, has that become a concern? Because a lot of people are under ufc.

[Jake Paul]

No, it's the opposite. So. So, like, we have all the best women signed to us for boxing. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Jake Paul]

I mean, now mma, I guess, as well, like, starting in mma, but mostly boxing.

[Theo Von]

The.

[Jake Paul]

The beautiful thing about it is that we can make the mega fights happen because we know both sides of the party and.

[Theo Von]

But will you. Will. Will they be able to fight in ufc?

[Jake Paul]

Will.

[Theo Von]

Will people under your banner be able to fight in UFC or Netflix's thing if they keep this going or are they separate?

[Jake Paul]

No, no, no, no. Yeah, we're like, completely separate from the ufc.

[Theo Von]

Got it.

[Jake Paul]

And a competitor. So. So it's actually like UFCs with Paramount, MVPs with Netflix.

[Theo Von]

Okay, I got it now.

[Jake Paul]

Yep.

[Theo Von]

Dang, dude. That's wild, bro. Congratulations, man.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, thank you.

[Theo Von]

Congratulations, dude. It's in, you know, like, watching you is a. Is an interesting sport, you know, And I mean that in a lot of, like, really.

[Jake Paul]

So that. So it, like, increases your heart rate to watch me.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Jake Paul]

It's a sport.

[Theo Von]

I mean, it just like, you know. Yeah. Like, it's. There's. There's admiration because you, you know, you kind of. You defy the odds or you re. You. You kind of like. I don't know, you can. I don't know what it is. It's interesting and it's. It's fun and it's interesting to see a guy who's fighting and is also in the business side. I think there's just a lot of stuff to see it be a business guy is. Is.

[Jake Paul]

Is.

[Theo Von]

It's all interesting, dude.

[Jake Paul]

It's judgmental No, I, I would, I would agree. And I think I, I, I wrote like a little stupid thing to put a poem. Yeah. That I think can like summarize me a little bit. I think it's like super gay to talk about it, but you want me to read it? Like we might not put this part in.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Jake Paul]

But like it kind of summarizes what you're saying. Okay. So life became unrelatable, so it's easy to become hateable. I live in truth, so my views are undebatable. Life's become approvals and payables. Funny how I was the only one who knew I was capable. Now anything in life is available only because I became unbreakable once in a generation. Beyond occasional send. All the pressure, please God is protecting me. I'm gravitational. I hope you don't hate and use it as motivational, but honestly, this is not sustainable or very attainable. Have to manage it with Ivy League occupational Harvard lady over there. I post more content than you, but I'm still untraceable. I hate to be cocky, but at this point it's educational. This is who the fuck I am. It's not recreational. You probably could, but if we're being honest, you are not capable. So again, that's why I'm hateable. Is he a politician, Investor, rapper, boxer? It's unexplainable. And that's why I'm inescapable. So I think that's like, what, dude?

[Theo Von]

I really like that. I think. And you know what? Yes. That's what I was trying to say.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And it is. And it is, man.

[Jake Paul]

And you know the sad part about it is that like people are gonna like clip that and then, and, but, but that's why I'm saying it's like sad that they're going to clip it and be like, bro, thought he cooked.

[Theo Von]

No, we're not saying that you are. What's that guy's called, Ghana or whatever. We're just saying that you, I, that you explained exactly what I was thinking and that's why, that's why I brought

[Jake Paul]

it up, otherwise I wouldn't have. But, but, but the sad part is that people are going to clip it and be like,

[Theo Von]

but people are also freaking touching their own dicks all the time. So People are disgusting.

[Jake Paul]

You don't touch your own dick.

[Theo Von]

Jerking off is gay, dude. You're jerking a dude off. Yeah, it's you. But it's still a dude, bro. That now some chick rolls up with a cock, maybe I'll help her Out. You feel me? BLM dude.

[Jake Paul]

So you love Thailand?

[Theo Von]

Never been. I haven't even looked at. I haven't even gone there. On like one of those like, map zoom in views, like view street views or whatever. Do your brother just had a child? Do you get competitive with him? Like, do you start to think about that yet or you guys aren't really kicking that can around at the moment? Because once wife got that goal, bro, you know what I'm saying? You could hatch something. And. Sorry, that's just something I read recently on a, on a headstone in Memphis. So I was just like, hatch something. Yeah, once wife got that gold, you could hatch some.

[Jake Paul]

You know, that's just someone else's wife got gold pretty rare.

[Theo Von]

No, I just mean somebody might have got a gold grill put in or something. It could mean anything.

[Jake Paul]

I've read it. Yeah, you're right. No, it's inspiring. Yeah, it's so inspiring.

[Theo Von]

Has it been interesting to see him be a dad? Like, is it?

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, it's. He's a loser now. Logan, bro, you go to bed at 10pm like, he used to be cool and like kick it and like drink and smoke with us, and then he just like goes to bed at 10pm but honestly, bro, I'm so happy for him. Like, this is what's needed. Like, he's amazing and he's a great dad. It's just like, funny because. And again, I would never use the word, the R word, but like, when. When he's walking down the beach with his kid and I'm like, bro, this is my brother. Like, he's. And he's like carrying the baby down the beach and he like got on his shoulder. I'm like, bro, what the is going on? It's just. It's just funny. But I'm. I'm so happy for him. And Esme is like the coolest thing in the world. And yeah, shoot, she's like 18 months. And I, I like went to hang out with her the other day and like, we don't see each other a lot because we're always busy. Logan's traveling, we like, whatever. But she's looking at me and I'm like saying hi to her and she goes,

[Theo Von]

jake.

[Jake Paul]

And she says my name for the first time. I was like, bro, game over. That's cool. I was like, I started like getting teary eyed and like, it's just the craziest thing ever.

[Theo Von]

Has it brought your family overall closer together?

[Jake Paul]

Yeah. 100.

[Theo Von]

Isn't that amazing? Yeah, it's crazy. How something like that. When we first had in my first niece, it like, it was like the first time we were a family. It felt like in some ways.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, I would agree. I, I think. And, and Nina, by the way, is, is such a great mom. She's doing such a great job and she like sends videos and pictures to us every day.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's sweet of her.

[Jake Paul]

And so like, shout out to Nina for, for being amazing on that side of things.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's nice. It keeps you involved, makes you feel like a part of it that's important.

[Jake Paul]

Yep. And they do this thing where it's like outfit of the day and like Esme like loves it and she like knows, even though she can't talk really, she like puts on her outfit and then Nina like films her coming out of the room with the outfit and like hypes her up. And then Esme like loves it and is like, she like knows that it's like some important moment. So it's really beautiful. Like little like that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, stuff like that. Yeah, stuff like that. That makes you feel kind of connected. It's awesome. Shout out to Nina. That's beautiful. And congratulations to them. It is exciting. That baby looks so happy, huh?

[Jake Paul]

Happiest baby ever, I think.

[Theo Von]

Really, bro, that's the blessing.

[Jake Paul]

I get these videos every day and she's just like, happiness.

[Theo Von]

Maxine, dude, when you get some cap ass, baby, that shit's trash.

[Jake Paul]

Honestly, like, that's the problem is you can't return it.

[Theo Von]

You gotta remodel.

[Jake Paul]

There's no coupon.

[Theo Von]

Put some Fendi on that or something. You gotta do something, bruh. Because they got some cap ass children out there.

[Jake Paul]

Redo the genetics type shit.

[Theo Von]

Blessings to them, man. Jake, thanks for coming and hanging out, dude.

[Jake Paul]

Yep.

[Theo Von]

I appreciate it, bro. I've just enjoyed getting to talk to you. This is most you and I have ever talked. And I, I think it's like. Yeah, you just get a different concept to people. It's hard to know people until you talk to them. Dude, Brian Johnson. I thought that that guy was going to be like, he was going to show up like in bubble wrap or something, drinking his own cum or something.

[Jake Paul]

Bro, bro, sorry.

[Theo Von]

You know, he's had a little wait.

[Jake Paul]

But by the way, what I'm saying

[Theo Von]

is, dude, he was a cool. He was like, just as. It just like, it's just interesting until you get to know somebody. You're right. We live in this place where we assume things based on what we see. It's all, it's all interesting and Some of it's our. Some of it's our fault. And some of it is a place of where we are. It's interesting though, you know, I. I

[Jake Paul]

killed him the other day.

[Theo Von]

Did you really?

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, I killed him.

[Theo Von]

He'll be back. Oh, you put him asleep. Wow. He's supposed to go to bed at 4:30pm Anyway, I killed him. Hell yeah, bro. This dude is up for anything, bro.

[Jake Paul]

No, no, no. Like, he's dead.

[Theo Von]

Oh, damn. Okay.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, well, I don't know. So like I. I kind of up the don't die movement. But like, he's.

[Theo Von]

He.

[Jake Paul]

He's such a great guy, but I had to kill him.

[Theo Von]

Hey, bro, I kind of feel. Yeah, you know, he is that neighbor that's out in the front yard boiling his own blood. And

[Jake Paul]

I love that guy. He's a genius. But like, bro, I'm.

[Theo Von]

I'm.

[Jake Paul]

I'm Jake Paul. I had to go viral.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Jake Paul]

So I had to kill him, dude.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Jake Paul]

It's for the game.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. See that shit for sure, dude. RIP Brian Johnson, bro.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

See you at the crossroads, homie. Gang. Thanks, Jake.

[Jake Paul]

Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones but it's gonna take

[Theo Von]

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