#658 - Mike Tyson (Live at the Wiltern)

Summary

This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von – Episode #658: Mike Tyson (Live at the Wiltern)

Date: May 15, 2026
Host: Theo Von
Guest: Mike Tyson
Theme: Exploring Mike Tyson’s life, struggles, resilience, philosophies on discipline, addiction, and mentorship, with candid and humorous reflections on his journey from poverty and hardship to boxing glory.

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Episode Overview

In this live episode, comedian Theo Von sits down with boxing legend Mike Tyson at the Wiltern Theater in Los Angeles. The conversation dives deep into Tyson’s formative years, his tumultuous relationship with fame, experiences with addiction and recovery, the importance of mentorship, his perspectives on suffering and discipline, and how he views love, family, and personal growth. Tyson’s signature candor, humor, and vulnerability, combined with Von's distinct style, make for an alternately profound, raw, and entertaining dialogue.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Origins, Childhood, and Early Trauma

• Poverty and Humiliation as a Motivator
  • Tyson recounts being bullied and humiliated for being dirty as a child, noting the pivotal role this played in shaping his need for respect and his eventual turn toward crime and dressing sharply.
    • "And ever since that, I became a criminal. And I only bought nice clothes." (03:24, Tyson)
• Relationship With His Mother and Home Environment
  • He openly discusses his mother’s alcoholism and the criminal environment he grew up in:
    • "She was a drunk. She was a prostitute. But she was who she was.” (18:07, Tyson)
  • Memories of Christmas as a rare moment of joy despite their means:
    • "We had never had that much food before...I know it was something skullduggerish, but...it was just a great moment." (20:01, Tyson)

2. Mentorship & the Influence of Cus D’Amato

• The Transformative Power of Mentorship
  • Tyson’s deep bond with trainer and adoptive father Cus D’Amato is a recurring topic. He describes the adoption, discipline at Cus’s house, and how Cus believed in him when no one else did.
    • "He was born only for me." (11:47, Tyson)
    • "If anybody said something negative about me, he would attack them." (08:23, Tyson)
  • The loss of Cus:
    • "Nobody else like him. It doesn’t exist." (11:36, Tyson)
• Learning Discipline & Self-Talk
  • Cus instilled in Tyson the power of positive self-talk and discipline:
    • "Always say beautiful things about myself and never say anything negative about myself because my subconscious don’t know if I’m playing or not." (39:50, Tyson)

3. Becoming “Iron Mike” – Fame, Ego, and the Ring

• From Self-Doubt to Belief
  • How external belief transformed him:
    • "Custom Mano told me I’m the greatest fighter since the beginning of life. 12. He told me at 12." (15:26, Tyson)
• Walks to the Ring & Providing for Family
  • Fighting was less about personal ego and more about providing:
    • "That’s all I know how to do." (40:50, Tyson)
• Reflection on Fame
  • "I walk with poverty and I sit with presence...I just take my life day by day. I don’t make too many plans." (53:11, Tyson)
  • Tyson distances himself from the mythos of being a “big star,” keeping a realistic perspective on his achievements.

4. Addiction, Recovery & the Nature of Escape

• Candid Addiction Stories
  • Tyson shares openly about his years of drug and alcohol abuse, including sobering humor and hard-won wisdom:
    • "I was sober. I’m sober for nine years. Believe that.” (04:44, Tyson)
    • "Anything that got me out of me.” (05:07, Tyson)
• Reflections on Recovery
  • The ongoing nature of sobriety:
    • "It’s a battle...You’re never safe. Nobody will get out of here alive." (37:10, Tyson)
• Wild Anecdotes
  • Several comedic but sobering stories about run-ins with his probation officer, attempts at rehab, and the perils of various drugs.
    • "Stay away from crack. You don’t normally come back." (65:00, Tyson)
    • Story of trying to quit cocaine, only to have his doctor or rehab worker take his coke (68:28, Tyson).

5. On Suffering, Power, and Self-Understanding

• Finding Purpose in Struggle
  • Tyson expresses gratitude for suffering, suggesting it forged his strength and drive.
    • "I love to suffer. I don’t want no good time." (17:24, Tyson)
• Not Wanting an Easy Path
  • If given a regular, supportive childhood, Tyson doubts he’d have become a champion:
    • "No, [I wouldn’t be the heavyweight champion]. The heavyweight bitch of the world." (17:47, Tyson)
• Spiritual Acceptance
  • A philosophy that suffering prepared him, and that death is not something to fear:
    • "God broke me before he crowned me." (05:23, Tyson)
    • "I find death is another part of life we just never experienced yet...If life is good, how death could be bad?" (37:26, Tyson)

6. On Love, Women, and Fatherhood

• Love as Trouble—and Growth
  • Tyson admits his tumultuous history with love is more a reflection of his battles with himself:
    • "No, it’s me with the trouble." (48:06, Tyson)
• Relationship With His Wife Kiki
  • Speaks warmly of his wife and her strength:
    • "She’s an awesome mother, awesome wife, and the all around beautiful person. I really hit the jackpot with this monkey." (54:46, Tyson)
• Fatherhood and Wanting a Better Life for His Children
  • "Just my children don’t have to live the life that I live. That’s the only thing. That’s all I care about." (91:10, Tyson)

7. Controversial and Memorable Moments

• Race, Language, and Comedy
  • The exchange around using the N-word onstage is tense, raw, and emblematic of both Tyson’s directness and Von’s discomfort in navigating those racial boundaries.
    • "Say nigger. Say nigger. You don’t say N word for bitch. Say nigger." (22:44, Tyson)
    • Von: "I don’t want to do something. I can’t tell what’s going on here, to be honest with you." (22:58)
• Stories of Prison Visitors
  • Tyson recounts surprising visitors including Whitney Houston and Florence Henderson:
    • "Whitney came to visit you. Did she sing for you...She brought her family...they hung out with me." (33:33, Tyson)
• Michael Jackson and Fame
  • Recounts hilarious and awkward personal run-ins with Michael Jackson, as well as his observations on MJ’s shyness and isolation (31:15–32:43).
• The Brad Pitt Story
  • Tyson’s ex-wife seen with an unknown ("Brad Pitt") man during their divorce:
    • "She was driving him. He didn’t have a car.” (47:26, Tyson)
    • "If your girl’s gonna be with somebody, if it’s Brad Pitt, that’s okay." (47:14, Von)

8. Philosophy, Ego, and Heroes

• On Reading, History, and the Nature of Greatness
  • Tyson names historical figures he admires:
    • “Achilles, Alexander, Hannibal...But we have demigods now. Now we have authors that turn people into gods.” (83:59, Tyson)
• On Ego
  • "I just want to do better than before. I do think I’m Alexander the Great. Sometimes I think I am." (85:18, Tyson)
• Paying Homage to Fighters
  • Gave money and support to aging fighters he admired, out of respect for the fraternity of boxing.

9. On Internet, Social Change, and Modern Troubles

• Both discuss changes in society—mental health, the internet’s effect on connection and privacy, increased suicide rates, and government responsibilities.
  • "Everything became sexual lately...everybody’s worried about who’s sleeping with who." (61:09, Tyson)
  • Tyson states plainly: "We’re sick, though. There’s something poisoning us. Do you agree with that?" (62:07, Von; 62:12 Tyson: "100 I. I know the government know what it is.")

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mentorship:
  Tyson: "Everyone needs a mentor in their life. Everybody. Even if you got a bad mentor, that’s better than having no mentor." (09:06)
• On Suffering:
  Tyson: "I love the suffer. I don’t want no good time." (17:24)
• On Addiction:
  Tyson: "Stay away from crack. You don’t normally come back." (65:00)
• On Women’s Strength:
  Tyson: "Nobody has the more fury than a woman." (55:44)
• On Self-Talk:
  Tyson: "Never say anything negative about myself...my subconscious don’t know if I’m playing or not." (39:50)
• On Ego:
  Tyson: "I do think I’m Alexander the Great. Sometimes I think I am." (85:18)
• On Life’s Journey:
  Tyson: "Do you ever think about who you are, how you really got here, what you really consist of?…We know everything else, but we know nothing about us." (87:50)
• On Joy:
  Tyson: "Just my children don’t have to live the life that I live. That’s the only thing. That’s all I care about." (91:10)
• On Cus D’Amato’s Hypothetical Response:
  Tyson: "Mike, you didn’t move your head enough. If that guy was a little faster, he would have hit you." (94:10)

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Timestamps – Important Segments

• [03:04] – Tyson shares the humiliation experience that catalyzed his criminal behavior and love for clothes.
• [08:01]–[08:41] – Emotional memories about his mentor Cus D’Amato.
• [15:26]–[16:14] – Cus’s belief in Tyson and Tyson’s transformation from self-doubt.
• [17:24]–[17:47] – Tyson on embracing suffering and how an easier life would have changed his destiny.
• [22:44]–[23:46] – Theo and Mike’s charged exchange about racial language.
• [33:33] – Whitney Houston’s visit to Tyson in prison.
• [39:46]–[40:01] – The power of self-talk and positive affirmations from Cus.
• [53:11] – Perspective on fame and remaining grounded.
• [65:00] – Hard warning against crack use.
• [85:03] – Reflections on immortality, greatness, and the legacy of greats.
• [91:10]–[91:34] – Tyson’s ultimate source of joy: protecting his children from his own hardships.
• [94:09] – What Tyson thinks Cus D’Amato would have critiqued about his career.

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Closing Thoughts

This episode offers a rare, intimate look at Mike Tyson’s inner world, shaped by adversity, addiction, love, and a fierce quest for self-understanding. Tyson’s reflections oscillate between gratitude and regret, pride and humility, with sharp humor and vivid storytelling. For fans of Tyson or listeners interested in redemption, resilience, and the human condition, this episode is a compelling window into the man behind the legend.

Transcript

[A]

Gang. Gang.

[B]

Baby.

[A]

Praise God. Good to see you guys tonight. Thank you for coming out. And, You know, this podcast has given me, like, just so many little moments in my life that have been so special. And. And tonight is certainly no different. Like, you know, it's rare that you get a. Get to sit across from one of the most recognizable people in human history. This is a man who's been the heavyweight champion of the world. Okay. The entire world. He's been everything. He's been a father. He's been a dang inmate, he's been a drug dealer. He's been a. But I'm just saying, this is a man who has done. I mean that admirationally, honestly. He's been a father. He's just done so many things. Life has put so much on his shoulders, and I'm curious to know what it's like to be him, and I'm grateful to get to spend time with him. Today I feel very fortunate to announce Today's guest is Mr. Mike Tyson.

[B]

Sam.

[A]

You look sharp, Mike.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you very much. I went to Stefano Richie because I knew I was coming here. I wasn't gonna wear a suit. I was gonna be a casual, but I had to be casually sharp.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I think you did it, man.

[B]

Thank you very much.

[A]

Do you like dressing up or not?

[B]

I love it.

[A]

You do?

[B]

I do it just for no reason. I'm in my closet trying on clothes.

[A]

Yeah. Like a little. Like kind of like a little mannequin kind of. Or like a very tough mannequin?

[B]

No, it's like a real life stud just trying on his clothes.

[A]

You like putting on stuff. Have you always been like that, or

[B]

was that kind of, you know. Let me tell you a story. One day, these guys, they pretty much bullied me to help them. That's how I fell in love with pigeons, to help me build their pigeon cooperation. And so I started coming there often. But I was, what, 11 years old. I never knew about washing and changing clothes. My mother would take a hot washing cloth, put soap on the towel, and just wash me. I never wash myself. So after being on the picnic, Coop, I have tar from building the picnic. I got shit on me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Some guys took me to this neighborhood dance, and everybody said, yo, Jon. Hey, Winky, this your friend? He got shit on him. And everybody started laughing at me. I started laughing. I was crying. They were talking about me. And ever since that, I became a criminal. And I only bought nice clothes.

[A]

There's. There's something.

[B]

And then I crave. I became a Criminal buying nice clothes and nobody kept a laughing naked. Now every time somebody said, wow, you look nice.

[A]

Yeah, you're under arrest. But you look great.

[B]

Yes. Oh, I love those pictures. Oh, those are the great ones. Yeah.

[A]

There's something more respectable about a criminal that is well dressed, isn't there?

[B]

He become the rogue that we love.

[A]

It becomes the what is it?

[B]

The rogue that we love.

[A]

The rogue that we love.

[B]

Rogue.

[A]

R O G U E. Yes, sir. Yes. Thank you for joining me today, Mike. I appreciate you, man. And thank you for just. You've. You shared a lot of your life with the world. Is it sometimes scary how much you've shared? Like when you. Or sometimes correct you for a moment.

[B]

You. You had one, made a mistake and called me a drug dealer. I don't have the discipline to be a drug dealer because I keep getting high on. I wish I had the discipline to be a drug dealer. I would be rich. Like, everybody wants to buy the cops. Everybody want to buy from me. God damn. I was a. Oh, man, I'd have

[A]

bought coke from you.

[B]

Oh, thank you. Thank you.

[A]

You're welcome.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

You were going to say what I

[B]

interrupted you, that I enjoyed getting high. Getting high was my life. Alcohol too, but both of us. My life at one time.

[A]

I love, man.

[B]

Oh, I was sober. I'm sober for nine years. Believe that.

[A]

Sober for nine years.

[B]

Congrat.

[A]

On the count of three, can we both say our favorite drug? If you want to say it at the same time or is that weird?

[B]

Hey, man, I'm a. I'm a equal opportunity. Oh, I didn't have no favorite.

[A]

You didn't have a favorite, huh?

[B]

No. Anything that got me out of me.

[A]

I like anything that got you out of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's something about being yourself. It just gets to be too much, doesn't it?

[B]

Too much power, man. God gave you more than you can handle.

[A]

You think that God put too much power in your hands?

[B]

No, no way. God broke me before he crowned me. Of course I. I'm gonna be able to handle. He doesn't do yet say, hey, you're a cool kid. Take this. Boom. He doesn't do that.

[A]

You know, I've sat across from, like, different folks and. But nobody I think has had like, like, on their own face, has so many like you. You have a lot of scars on you that are just built into you from, like, wars, right? Do you ever look at your own face and you can know. Do you know, like, which ones are from which fights and stuff?

[B]

I think you Know, listen, that's interesting that you said. I think. I think it comes from accumulation of fighting. You know, you don't wake up overnight and you got a line on your face. It comes after year, the year, the waking up. And you say, well, I got a line on my face. Which was. It was with the start, which you started 10 years ago, but you just haven't seen it yet.

[A]

Oh, so you kind of get worn in, sort of.

[B]

Absolutely. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.

[A]

You have a documentary that you're starting that's coming out this year on Netflix, is that right?

[B]

I believe so. I don't know when it's coming out, but I believe it's coming out soon.

[A]

Okay, you've done a lot of documentaries. Did you feel different about this one? Like what? Do you feel like there's something different to offer now to people that are going to consume it?

[B]

That's interesting that you say that. I'm going to give you an honest answer. There's things that people believe that other people want to hear from me that I've been saying constantly since the beginning of interviews. So it's more the more their perspective than it is my perspective. I may think it's shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They might think it's a masterpiece, so. No, I'm serious.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, there's all perspective. You know, most of us don't like ourselves on. You know, we don't like ourselves up there that much, you know, but, you know, the people. The people do, I guess. Right. You can't help it that you're very. That everybody came to see you and you're very popular. You can't help that. Not your fault. You think it's your fault, really, that you like this? No, No.

[A]

I think it's interesting.

[B]

Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I can tell that you feel that way.

[B]

If you.

[A]

If you had a. If there was a time in your life that you could go back to and had a documentary crew that just in your own life, like in your childhood or anything, that you could just have that footage, what would it be?

[B]

Would it be when I first met my mentor, Customado? I mean, first. When I met. When I first.

[A]

You mean the first day?

[B]

No, when I first got in trouble and I was in that juvenile detention, I was doing stuff there. And then I started boxing. I started changing my life. Then I met him. That's the part I wish he could come back. Yeah, I missed that.

[A]

What was it about it that I don't know.

[B]

I had somebody I loved and they loved me.

[A]

How'd you know that he loved you.

[B]

Oh, he. If. Oh. If anybody say something. If anybody say something.

[A]

No, it's okay. Look, it's hard to know sometimes. It's hard to know.

[B]

No, if anybody say something negative about me, he would attack them. 75.

[A]

So we protected you.

[B]

Yeah. Then why you have me talking about this? Stop. Stop.

[A]

What?

[B]

Stop, motherfucker. Stop. Stop.

[A]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

Shouldn't a bell. Shouldn't we go back to the corners for a.

[B]

No.

[A]

I think it's just interesting. Like, there's times in your life where people come along and they kind of, like, hold you up by the neck and, like, you know, kind of dry your cheeks and stuff like that and. And give you a place to be.

[B]

Everyone needs a mentor in their life. Everybody. Even if you got a bad mentor, that's better than having no mentor.

[A]

What was it like with Cus outside of the ring? What was that like? Like, what was that energy out because their family adopted you or.

[B]

No?

[A]

Yeah, he did.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you have your own room?

[B]

Well, I had to earn that.

[A]

You did? You had to earn it?

[B]

I had to earn that, yeah.

[A]

And how did you earn it? Like, what was that like?

[B]

You mean I had to do my chores? Had to, you know, get my grades up. You know, I'm getting my C minuses, so I'm getting. I'm getting D's now and B's. I'm coming up. Teachers are writing nice letters back at home about I'm improving, all that crap. So. Yeah, he loves that stuff.

[A]

And was there stuff around the house that you had to do? Like, what kind of chores?

[B]

Oh, I took. I cleaned the dishes, I took out the garbage, I mopped and sweeped the floor. Yeah, I did the whole thing, man.

[A]

Like, what was the different feeling that you got there? I guess.

[B]

Well, I felt I had the home I had, and that was a structure I had during my tour. Me building my discipline up after every train. Every time I finished training, I had to mop and sweep the gym. Sweep and mop the gym. Even when I was a big shot, I'm being front cover of Sports Illustrated. I'm taking all the pictures. Boom. All day, the cameras. Everybody look looking at me at the end of the day, the broom in the mop. Yeah, do the gym.

[A]

Amen. Whenever Custer. Because he passed away. How. How long was he in your life for?

[B]

Since I was 12, so I was 19.

[A]

And when your career grew, did you guys. Did it put any. Like, was it harder to be close to him? Like, did you get, like, so kind of like busy that you. That it was tougher to, you know.

[B]

Let me explain something. He was like my father. He was my adoptive father, legally adopted father. I wasn't out of his sight much. He didn't let me out of his sight much. He watched what hung out. He was my. He was my everything. If anybody said something negative about me, he got the duck and he stumbled upon you. He was just like that.

[A]

And had you felt that before in your life, you think or.

[B]

No, never. Never. If he told me to kill somebody, I would. No, I'm telling. That's how it was. That's how deep it was. He said kill that. But he's dead. Yeah.

[A]

Type man. People. Hey, people gotta go.

[B]

Yeah, no, but that's. I'm just keeping it real talk. That's real talk.

[A]

So the connection was that it was just that much?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

After he passed away, did you try to find like another, like, customado in your life?

[B]

Nobody else like him.

[A]

But was there a part of you that was looking for something like that?

[B]

Not like that, no. It doesn't exist.

[A]

That part was filled in.

[B]

Yeah. He was born only for me.

[A]

He was what?

[B]

He was born only for me.

[A]

Oh, you feel like he was made for you. That's awesome. And he probably felt that about you, I bet.

[B]

Well, I hope so. I hope so.

[A]

Have you had the opportunity to try and be that for somebody else in your life or where, like, do you feel like you have some of the same, like, capabilities that he had? It takes a special person to be that type of person. And we're all special in different ways.

[B]

I'm nowhere near the person that he was. No. We're born from two different structures and fibers. He's just a total disciplinarian. He almost wants to be perfect. He hardly makes any mistakes around people. He won't do any. He just wants to be right at every moment. You know, he puts himself in position to be right. He's just. I could say megalomaniac. But he was just a disciplinarian person. Sometimes he'll go when you're saut eating. He just had I stop eating for a week sometimes.

[A]

He'd What? I'm sorry, I'm.

[B]

He just may start. Stop. He just may stop eating for a week. Just stop. Just stop.

[A]

Wait.

[B]

My wife did the same shit. You got this on your list?

[A]

And Mike, she was flagging me from back there.

[B]

Was she really?

[A]

She was.

[B]

Oh, that's some bullshit. I knew that. See, I knew that. I know this.

[A]

Kiki, do you Love me. She loves you. Oh, that's what it's like. If you love somebody, you got to keep them clean, you know?

[B]

I hear you.

[A]

Can you say that last part, though? He was such a disciplinarian. Was he, Was he disciplined in his own life? Like did he, like, did he was

[B]

in World War II?

[A]

Okay, so he was very. He almost had an institutionalized disciplinarian.

[B]

I'm going to the school dance and like what, three miles away and the taxis, little L. I said, cuz the taxi going to be a little late. I can't stay up for you. Run home now. Oh, I went to girl to wait for the cab. I said, baby, you got to wait for the G. I got my shoes. I'm running home.

[A]

Did you.

[B]

I got to run home. Yeah.

[A]

And in dress shoes, probably for the dance.

[B]

I got to run. I got to run home. Get home now. Run. Click, click, click, click, click, click.

[A]

Dang, man. It's hard to keep a girl when you acting like that.

[B]

Oh, I was, I was too scared. I was extreme. It was hard to have a girl. I was too extreme with training.

[A]

What was your relationship like? Was it easy for you to relate to girls when you were young, like to date and that kind of stuff?

[B]

It was, Listen, it was all about fighting. It was all about fighting.

[A]

Oh, so you really set. You weren't even trying to date or anything as a youngster?

[B]

Yeah, I dated kind of late in life. Yeah. Because I used to fell in love with fighting. I. I talk to a girl, I'm talking about fighters. She talking about what? Yeah,

[A]

yeah, they don't want to see you shadow box and. Yeah, because they want a hug. I mean, they like the part when the ref tries to separate.

[B]

No, no, they don't mind seeing me shadow boxing, but they want to talk deep. I want to talk about fighting.

[A]

You loved it that much when you. What made you.

[B]

I loved it. I loved it.

[A]

Why was it such a magnet for you, do you think? Fighting?

[B]

I think because when I was young and I watched some of the big time fight, I think it was way the crowd rooted for people's name. I wanted them to root my name one day.

[A]

Yeah, that's cool, huh? Did you feel like. Yeah. Why did you do like, it's interesting. Some people had this feeling. They need. They want somebody to see them right. Or, or they want to have. They want to have a say in the world. Like, did you feel like you like were missing part of that? Like were you not being seen or do you.

[B]

Oh, I. When custom Mono told me I'm the greatest fighter since the beginning of life. 12. He told me at 12.

[A]

And you believed him?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because you trusted him?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Wow. That's pretty powerful, that it would just be. You'd be able to envelop that that much.

[B]

No. How can you pick the kid, 12 years old, tell him you're the greatest fighter in the world. You look at him like he's some old pervert guy trying to do something. You know, I'm with me. I'm a teeth. I'm a crook. How am I some world's greatest fighter of all time? So I thought this is some kind of trick. The juice. The. The youth center was trying to pull on me.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, Those youth centers.

[B]

So this guy turned out to be the real deal, and I turned out to be my guy. I'm like whatever the people think I am.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So he was the real deal.

[A]

Do you think if you hadn't had, like. Because, you know, I've heard you talk about being scared as a kid and having, like, you know, your mother passed away when you were young, and. And we don't talk about some of that. I'm just saying things that I can talk about anything. Okay. Those are just some things that I know about you. Right. I don't know you, but those are things that I know about you.

[B]

You may think you know, but you'll figure them out now.

[A]

Okay, let's go.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

All right.

[B]

All right.

[A]

All right. Thank you, Mike. Thank you for spending time with us and with me.

[B]

Thank you. I didn't think I was gonna like you. You made good progress, really.

[A]

Thanks, Grub. I appreciate that.

[B]

My wife told me, don't judge him. Don't judge him. I was feeling right. I said, don't judge him. Don't judge him.

[A]

She's got a very. You could tell. She's a very. She's a. She's a good soul, your wife.

[B]

Yes, she did. She believes in you.

[A]

Yes, she does. Do you think that you. If you'd have been. If you'd have had the things you needed as a child, right? Like the things that every child needs, Right? Like the.

[B]

I don't want that. Stay away from me. Keep that shit away from me. I like to suffer.

[A]

You like the way it went?

[B]

I love the suffer. I don't want no good time.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, you like the discomfort?

[B]

Oh, yes. I like being. I like being out of me. You know, getting out my comfort zone.

[A]

But if you'd have had those, like, if you had the stereotypical things that people.

[B]

I would be a.

[A]

Would you have been the heavyweight champion of the world?

[B]

No.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

The heavyweight bitch of the world.

[A]

I know I'd be wearing slippers during the day, probably. I'd be wearing dang slippers during the day.

[B]

Yeah. My mother would. My mother would baby me. Wouldn't allow me to fight and all that stuff. It wasn't meant for me to have my mother.

[A]

Did she baby you as a kid? Like, what was she like?

[B]

She was a drunk. She was a prostitute. But she was who she was.

[A]

You know, my mom. My mom had, like, an issue when I was a kid. Like, she couldn't look at me because.

[B]

Why? What's wrong with you? You know, something that we don't know.

[A]

I don't know, but something was wrong with her. She, like. She just couldn't. Like, something that. Like, when my mom was growing up, like, her dad, like, would make. Him Would make them, like, put his food under their t. Under the door. He. He would not talk to my mom for, like, for months at a time. And he would go in and out of their house through the window.

[B]

Sounds like a mental illness.

[A]

Yeah. Right? They call that right, Right at the time, yeah. It was just like kind of a reverse drive through dinner.

[B]

I'm good with that.

[A]

But anyway, I'm just saying, like, there was just, like. So early on, I realized I gotta take care of myself. Right? Like. And I don't know if that was the truth, but inside of myself, I made that decision. Like, I probably was a kid for maybe 45 seconds. And since then, I was an adult. I don't care If I was 2 months old. Does that make any sense to you?

[B]

Exactly. You know, my wife is kind of shamanic, and she believes that we ask for our parents. And then when I start believing, I said, if I didn't have the parents I had, I would never be me. I said, she might. God, son. I never tell her. I'm saying it now. Yeah, she may have something. I did pick those parents. If I didn't have those parents, I would be fucked up. Yeah, she might be right.

[A]

What's a nice memory that you have with your mom that was like, something that you think about that was like kind of like a moment that you kind of cherish.

[B]

It was one Christmas Day, and her birthday was on Christmas.

[A]

Your mother's birthday was on Christmas.

[B]

I don't know how we got some money, but it was just a festival. Her and her friends, they had food there, and then we was eating food, and we had never had that much food before. And I don't know how they got the money. I know it was something skullduggerish, but

[A]

I'm sure skuldugger a little bit of skullduggery.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm sure something that broke the law. But it was just a great moment, you know? And that's why I was accustomed to. I was accustomed to the pimps, the criminals, the stick up guys, the robbers all being over my mother's house and stuff. Because that's. We were the house of crime. I lived in a house of crime.

[A]

Where did you sleep? Did you have your own room?

[B]

No, come my home. I live. Slept on the floor in a blanket somewhere. The. The bed for the. For the. The.

[A]

For the Johns.

[B]

For the Johns. Yeah, exactly. I was everything for the tricks. But yeah, the john. The bed belongs. We got a bell. You for real? I know if my brother sisters. Herman, they bring back memories to a bad trip.

[A]

You slept on each other's backs. One person had to lay down flat and the other person got to sleep.

[B]

And then we didn't do that. We had slept on different parts on the floor. But you know, you had the. If it's hot, you had the air conditioned. Then you turn the big fan.

[A]

Oh, dude, I remember our mom. My mom would only let it be 80 degrees in the house, right? And I'm like, well, that. And at the time when I was a kid, I didn't know that. That's pretty warm, right? And so we would go get the cold water and we would just put it all over the sheet. And then we would lay on it like, hey, make a little beach. Go to Florida. But it was fun.

[B]

Listen, right? Poverty is just so beautiful sometimes.

[A]

If you can laugh at it, it's hilarious.

[B]

Oh, it is.

[A]

We had some fun.

[B]

Nothing more funny than poverty. Oh, dude, it doesn't matter. It doesn't care how rich or famous you get. It still affects you. Okay? How big you get. Remember this? It comes out. Do you remember this,

[A]

bro? I'll tell you something. It's a little racial, but let's do

[B]

it because go for it.

[A]

We used to live like people would burn their trash in the ditch, right? And so me and my buddy William, we would get out there and my buddy Larry and we would get all wet and we would run and jump through the smoke in the ditch until we were pretty darker. Ish, right? And then, bro, we would kind of wait until somebody drove by and yelled the N word at us.

[B]

N word. I hate. Listen. Say nigger. Say nigger. You don't say N word for bitch. Say nigger. All these mother. All these people drove by called us niggers.

[A]

Do you need me to say? If you need. I'm just. I don't want to do something. I can't tell what's going on here, to be honest with you. I mean, I'll jump through some.

[B]

I think that you say one thing, I'd be ashamed. All right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Say I'm a lover.

[A]

You need me to say it?

[B]

Yeah, I say I'm a lover. Go ahead, man.

[A]

But does it mean all of them?

[B]

Kind of a little bit. Even a rotten one.

[A]

I don't know. I don't know if people think I should do it or not.

[B]

Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. Please, please, please, please. Come on, man. Stop the show up, man. You the show up, man.

[A]

You right, bro. Dang, dude.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

I just. What can I say, bro? I'm a lover, bro.

[B]

God is great, brother. God is great. God is great.

[A]

Now hold on.

[B]

No.

[A]

Who is cheering for this?

[B]

I love this show. I love this show.

[A]

Are we going to jail or not? Are we? Okay. Another knockout for Mike. Here comes the podcast. It's because he's got a new podcast. He trying to get me off the charts. That's why. Mike. People are going to be crying and

[B]

he's scared to say love.

[A]

I don't know if. If those are the same, that's fine.

[B]

Oh, man, that look. That the motherfucker. I'm sorry. Forgive me, guys.

[A]

Hold on.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[A]

I mean, I don't know. I've had a little. I don't. You know, I don't.

[B]

A little what? Huh? You have a little. Or did you have a little.

[A]

I don't know. I think we should move on. You know what time it is? You know what?

[B]

I'm.

[A]

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[B]

let's keep it on. Moving on up. Okay? Moving on.

[A]

Remember, that's what I do. Remember when good times was popping, bro.

[B]

It was really good time, dude.

[A]

I'll tell you a story. So I'm in the airport one time, right? Jimmy Walker, the actor from Good Times, right? One of the. A great comedian. He's walking in the airport, somebody starts yelling dynamite at him. The police thought it was like a terrorist attack. Yeah, they didn't see him.

[B]

Oh, great.

[A]

To see a couple. A couple of bitches yelling Dynamite. And they just jumped on him, bro. And I laughed. I didn't. I could have helped and told people what's going on, but I had to. I was in a hurry, you know, I had to get to Cincinnati.

[B]

Yeah. Good times.

[A]

That was a good show, dude. Janet Jackson was on there.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Did you ever get to meet Janet?

[B]

Yes, I have. I did have a chance to meet Janet, Chef.

[A]

And you. Someone said, this is a rumor that I heard that you and Michael Jackson.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Closed down SeaWorld one night and had a party there. Is that true?

[B]

This is not true at all.

[A]

It's not true. Don King told me that he's a liar. I'm joking. He didn't tell me that, but. But we knew if he did, he'd have lied about it.

[B]

He tells the truth by accident.

[A]

Yeah, he tells the truth by accident. Hey, man. Yeah, it is what it is, dude. But no, did you actually get to spend time with Michael Jackson because he's such a. What was he like as a person?

[B]

A splendid, beautiful person. Hid behind all that stuff. He was a beautiful, calm, humble person, and I didn't like him for a long time because my friend had called me. He said, hey, Mike, I'm this one Mike's producers. He said, hey, man, I'm over Mike's side. And once he said that, dude, he disrespected me. He did that. No, I meant that, man.

[A]

Michael Jackson said all that.

[B]

I said that.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

And then they said. And then my friend went like this. He said, really? He asked for me to call you. I said, I'll be right there.

[A]

What was he like? Was he just like a very shy.

[B]

He was very humble. He was. At the end of his. No, he was dealing with that bad stuff, that child stuff. He was dealing with that. He was really had. No, only with four people at the house. No friends, so. And it was just him. I got to know him, But I'm.

[A]

I'm doing fine.

[B]

I love you, man. You're beautiful. I thought you was gonna be some mullet redneck. You're beautiful.

[A]

I'm doing all right. I just. I feel lucky to be here with you today, man.

[B]

Beautiful.

[A]

Do you think Michael was that he. Do you think he was involved in that kind of stuff when you got to know him? Would you ever feel that about him or.

[B]

No, I had a different opinion about him once I got the. Know him. Got it. Yeah. Totally different opinion, dude.

[A]

I read somewhere. Actually, I didn't read it. I. I'm lying to you. One of my friends told me that like, he had some girls with him and you was like inquiring or any these your girlfriends? And he said, get your own to you.

[B]

Oh, he did.

[A]

Now I'm not.

[B]

I'm saying that I'll tell you what happened.

[A]

Please do.

[B]

I went to a Michael Jackson concert with Dog. He had said, come, come, come, come, Cleveland and meet my babies and go see Michael. So he called me, I want to see. So I'll be walking to the shows. The last song, we. We walk into the arena, we walk down the middle of the aisle. He goes like this to Don King. Don King puts his hand up. I go like this and he puts his hand down. And I say to myself, I know Mike didn't use this. And I said, no, he don't know. He is. He's the big performer. He can't be thinking about me. Of course not me. So I go in the back and I'm in the back. This whole staff is just loving me, loving the band. Guy gave me his sticks. Anybody all over me. Mike's at the corner chilling like this with the door open. I guess he's waiting for a car. He's going to jump in the car. And everybody told me, I say, I think, let me go over there and say hi to Mike, you know, because I want to go see. It was a good night. I go over there, before I say anything, he goes, where did I know you from? This is the biggest moment in my life. I just see Mike, the whole world's talking about nothing but me. And he looks at me, where did I know you from? You look familiar. Where did I know you from? I said, Nowhere, Mr. Jackson. I was just a fan. I said, you, you. I said, that was a good one. I hate him ever since. I hated him everything. If my friend didn't call me to come over the house and said, Mike called you, I would have never. I would been hating him now. Wow. I can't believe he said that. I was just a little kid. He said that to me.

[A]

You think he was joking? And.

[B]

Oh, he was dead serious. Wow. He was dead serious.

[A]

You think he was very competitive? He was.

[B]

I think is too competitive. He's not friendly with nobody.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Especially not in the music business. If you don't bend the knee, you got to bend the knee for Mike.

[A]

Well, yeah, he didn't even. He wasn't friendly even with black folks. He freaking ended up white. You got to be on, you know what I'm saying? You got to have an issue with people.

[B]

Listen, everybody's going, that Route. Now, I've seen a bunch of athletes and singers go that route. Yeah, the black turn, white route.

[A]

Yep, that's. Hey, red rover, red rover, come on. You know, send them over, bro.

[B]

Passing is passing.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What if, like. And some of this is just like lore stuff. What about Whitney Houston? Did you ever get to meet her?

[B]

I knew Whitney very well. No way. Yeah, very well.

[A]

Was she.

[B]

So she came to visit me in prison. When I was in prison, she came to visit me.

[A]

She did, yeah.

[B]

One of my good friends.

[A]

And when was that? When you were in prison in New York.

[B]

I know. I'm up in Indianapolis. It's cold.

[A]

I was just checking to see if you remember where you were prison at.

[B]

Yeah, I have a lot of. Listen, I. I had a lot of really interesting visitors. Really interesting people.

[A]

Whitney came to visit you. Did she sing for you or anything like that? Or did she just come and spend time?

[B]

She brought her family. Her and the family came and they hung out with me.

[A]

Who else came to visit you?

[B]

I don't know. Quite a few people. Yes. Name some names or something.

[A]

What about Michael Landon?

[B]

He was dead, man.

[A]

Was he dead?

[B]

He was dead. Then I see that cancer back there. So listen, Patrick Swayze, he was dead too, I think.

[A]

What? Why all the white people die in your stories. I'm starting to notice this smiley.

[B]

Hey, Florence Henderson came.

[A]

No way.

[B]

He came. Yes, but listen to this. She came to visit me, but I'm locked in the hole. I had to fight with one of the gods. So I'm not going to come out. If you come out the hole, you got to come out. Change. I said I'm not going to come out like that. I. Forgive me. I didn't want to do that because you would have.

[A]

It would have just. You didn't want her to see you like that.

[B]

I didn't want to see me in shackles and my feet and all that crap. It looks crazy.

[A]

Yeah. When they put you into the whole. So I know it was like 23 hours of darkness, right? And then one hour of light. Or vice versa, the other way.

[B]

No, they just leave the light on all night.

[A]

Oh, the lights on all night. Oh, that's good. I mean, at least you. In case you get up or whatever you can.

[B]

Gives you a fucking headache.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

24 hours a day for like what, 10 weeks? Nuh. Yeah.

[A]

What starts to happen to somebody in there? Like, does it. Is it anything helpful?

[B]

Yeah, the Piece of solitude is healthy. Very healthy. The solitude and what most of us. Most of us believe it or not. Not able to be by ourselves for a long period of time. You know, we haven't developed a relationship with ourselves where we adore ourselves. We can't stop up being up and stop being in our own presence. And I guess that's the way to be. Constant happiness and love, even though. Even though we go to the batch, it makes that beautiful, too.

[A]

Yeah. I think. I don't know. In my life, like, I feel like in my life, my whole life, I was waiting for somebody to show up. Right. I don't even really exactly know who it was. But then, like, recently, I'm realizing that I think I'm just waiting for me to show up. Does that make any sense to you?

[B]

I don't want to ask about this, but you have to get. You know, I mean, that's your narrative. How did that guy appear? How do you make that guy appear?

[A]

Right. The first thing that I'm. That I'm learning for myself, and some of this is pretty recent, is just, like, having some integrity. Like, you know, if I say I'm like. Because if I say I'm gonna do something and I don't, I hear myself do that. Right. And so after a while, I don't even believe myself. I think after a while, I quit even listening to myself because it's like, well, how many times am I gonna lead myself on? You know? I don't know if that's exactly true, but I think that's the best answer I have for that.

[B]

It's always the higher power. It's always the higher power. Cause I'm from the. I'm from the world that you come from as well, you know, the recovery world. And it's a battle. Some guy's sober for 20 years, and all of a sudden, boom, they took. They go to drugs and kill themselves. It's a constant battle. No one's ever a winner to the end of the day till it's over and we're dead. Then you won. If you ever do any drugs and you beat the system that was killing you, you go die. Boom. But sometimes these guys stop using drugs for 30 years and go back. Yeah. You know, I mean, you just can't believe it. So you're never safe. Okay.

[A]

You're never safe.

[B]

Yeah. Nobody will get out of here alive. I learned that. We had. Yeah.

[A]

It kind of makes it exciting, doesn't it? It's kind of funny.

[B]

As you get out of here, live,

[A]

as you get older, one of the things that gets a little bit exciting is dying, because it's a new adventure.

[B]

I don't listen.

[A]

Does that make sense?

[B]

That makes too much sense. I find death is another part of life we just never experienced yet. You know, if life is good, how death could be bad? Be honest. If God loves us, how could death really be bad? If we look at God the way we believe him to be, how could death be bad if he created it?

[A]

If we didn't think it was final, then we. How would we behave in this time that we're here?

[B]

You know, Listen, God prepares us, the universe prepares us for death. You know, little by little, we lose our friends, we lose people we care about, we lose our hair, we lose our teeth, we lose our life. It's nothing that happens. Spontaneous, you know, it's meant to be.

[A]

Yeah. We lose our ability to be around black people safely because I've said the N word in here. Yeah.

[B]

No, you know, I mean, black people love you. You're a lovely. You gotta make a hater.

[A]

Hey, that's a good point, bro. Thanks for looking out for me.

[B]

I hope that. I hope they're not able to cancel you on this show because we talked about.

[A]

Hey.

[B]

Always got people canceling. Oh, it never fails. The will get you the word nigga.

[A]

Oh, it's great to see some equality at last. Are you sometimes amazed, like, when you look at your life, how much grace God has had in your life?

[B]

I realized that if you don't believe in God, look at me, because I should not be right here talking to you people.

[A]

No, you probably not, man.

[B]

Listen, listen. No, really. What I mean, in my 30s, I got. I said yes. God did a really dirty trick. He. He allowed me to live to be 60. God damn, if I knew I was going to be 60, I'd have played the game. Yes, sir. No, ma'. Am. Yes, sir. You suck my dick. Yeah, I want that route instead. Yeah, you. Oh, imagine 60 years. Yes, sir. How you doing, man? You know.

[A]

Oh, I'd walk right up to heaven like this, bro. I'd walk right into heaven, man. Sit at my table. Yeah. If I'd have been. Yeah. I think there's something about, like, when you feel like you're doing everything yourself. Like, did you feel like that as a kid? Like, everything. I'll figure this out. I'll handle it. Like, did you have that, like, chip on your shoulder?

[B]

Do you feel like. When I had my mentor, he told me not to ever say anything negative about myself. Really only say beautiful things about myself.

[A]

Custom autos taught you that?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And what did he tell you? Exactly.

[B]

Always say beautiful things about myself and never say anything negative about myself because my subconscious don't know if I'm playing or not.

[A]

It's pretty. Isn't it wild how there's something.

[B]

No, but I learned that at 12 years old. I had to learn that at 12 to be the champion at 20. You know, if I learned it at 15, 16, hey, it probably wouldn't have worked out that up in chapter 22. Probably.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So everything worked out for the right reason.

[A]

What was one of the hardest walks to the ring you ever had to make?

[B]

All the walks are the same, Pretty much. You know, it becomes a routine.

[A]

Was there one that, like, you didn't want it or things had changed or you were like, I don't. I don't know. I've never been a fighter.

[B]

I always wanted it because every time I got in the ring, when I lost, my life changed and a good perspective for my family.

[A]

Right. You got you providing for your family for sure.

[B]

That's all I know how to do.

[A]

When did you. When did you become an adult?

[B]

Excuse me? Well, that happened late in life. That happened real late in life, man. I can't even tell you, man. I was not probably, who, what, 45 or something?

[A]

Oh, dude. I freaking wet the bed while I was 27.

[B]

That's. That's mental illness.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, it is, but they don't say that. They just call you Mr. Drippy Drop or whatever.

[B]

They don't call you Ms. Field in the house.

[A]

They call you. They call you little yellow boy.

[B]

Yellow boy.

[A]

But. Yeah, but what. What do you think made you start to turn? Like, finally, like, I. I have to. I gotta grow up or something. Something happened. I'm. I'm becoming.

[B]

Cause some guys took my pigeons and bullied me, and that was the first time I fought back. And it was like love at first fight. I never stopped fighting ever since. Some guys, they took and ripped my bird's head off. What? Yeah, he was a Dirty Ryan kind of guy back there.

[A]

You remember him? Yeah. Who was he?

[B]

Gary Flowers.

[A]

Him.

[B]

Never forget his name.

[A]

How could he do it?

[B]

Yeah, he's a young kid back then. Rotten guy. Being a bully. I was a little fat kid that bullied me all the time.

[A]

Yeah. But even if I saw a kid that was kind of like, had some glandular issues or whatever, I'm not gonna break a bird's neck.

[B]

It's just. That's all about humiliating people.

[A]

Oh. It was like a humiliation thing, Right? I'm gonna make you feel this way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, did you ever get him back?

[B]

Oh, I beat the dog out of. And that's the best thing ever, because every day I went to four, three times a day. I can't stop fighting. I loved it so much.

[A]

And were you having trouble finding people to fight?

[B]

Oh, no. They have to bring people for me to fight for money.

[A]

Oh, really? Yeah. And. And so who would get the money?

[B]

The guy would say, listen, if you win, you get this much. If you lose, you get this much.

[A]

So no matter what, you made some money.

[B]

You made some money.

[A]

What's the thing you kind of bought when you got a little money?

[B]

I don't know. Some weed and some candy.

[A]

Weed and candy, bro. That's what I'm talking about, bro.

[B]

Ready for the monies that now and ladies. You ever eat now and ladies, dude?

[A]

Yeah, but they make your teeth stick together.

[B]

I know, but it's good when you're high.

[A]

Yeah, you right.

[B]

You're high. You don't mind. You know, you. I know. Your teeth is out. What's in the gum? You ever did that before? Teeth is out in the now. I think your teeth came out.

[A]

Oh, the shape of your teeth are in them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That shit was cool, bro. I like that shit, man. I really like that, man.

[B]

You ever have some black. What is. He.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

I'm just. I'm just asking guys, between me and him, please don't respond.

[A]

I mean, I've had. Yeah. I mean, during the holidays one time I have. I had a little. That's true.

[B]

I'm not talking about no Jewish girl with a great tan. I mean, a black girl.

[A]

Oh, I'm talking about some real. Yeah, some of that fricking. Yeah. I'm just saying, like. I'm just trying to think. Yes, I had some. I've had a little. I've had a little. I have had. Mike, I have actually painted that.

[B]

You put halfway in. You put it all the way in. That wasn't that little. You put it in the little or you put it in a lot? Oh, it's a little. When you put it in, it doesn't

[A]

go in a lot.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Like, it's more the hokey pokey.

[B]

Okay. You go in, she comes out.

[A]

But I've had a little, man. I've had a little. And I. Yeah, I would. I would. I would get some more. I would. Yeah, I'd get some more. Sometime, you know what a black woman

[B]

you dream about, though? What's the body shape? Name somebody's body shape.

[A]

Well, some black women. You. Them and they. They back kind of. You know, they got that. That vagina kind of. It. It'll you back, you know, it's almost like when you.

[B]

The last hundred years ago that I. The white girl, she did that too. The same thing,

[A]

but I almost tried to. I was flirting with this black lady that worked at the airport for a while. But they said move along.

[B]

Eventually you get ticks, you get fly. You get free flights. Why you mess with it? I ain't gonna have. I'm not gonna date no girl at the airport. I'm not getting free flights, man.

[A]

Yeah, you're right. You're right.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Look, man, maybe you'll set me up with a good gal that you know.

[B]

I don't know any good girls. I know good time. I know being good girls. I give you a good time.

[A]

Did you ever have like a. Because Hollywood people be. People steal people's spouse or girlfriends, boyfriends. Did you ever have somebody steal a girlfriend of yours here?

[B]

I'm sure they did, but I just don't know about it.

[A]

You didn't?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel bad actually, because I was saying that question, but I knew another question I was going to ask. Somebody said that Brad Pitt stole a girlfriend of yours one time.

[B]

No. Oh, that's an interesting story. Yeah. All right. No, it didn't steal it from me, but. But me and my wife was going through a divorce. We weren't getting back, but we were still fucking, right?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

We were always fucking. Every night we were still fucking. Then we fighting in the paper. Then we fucking night. But one day I went over how the fucker. She wasn't at home. Nobody. And then driving up the road with the BMW that I bought her and she had some. I thought it was one of her friends from head of the class, but it wasn't one of her friends. It was some nigga Brad's pit trying to get some head. Yeah.

[A]

So that honky was with her?

[B]

Yeah, White.

[A]

Damn. Damn right that honky was trying to slide. The fact that we got to call Brad Pitt a honky is going to be hilarious. But you caught him in the driveway.

[B]

Yeah, he was beautiful. I was just. I think.

[A]

Did you punk him a little?

[B]

No.

[A]

I guess. Yeah, he is Brad Pitt. At least if you're. If you're. If your girl's gonna be with somebody, it's got. If it's Brad Pitt, that's you. That's okay.

[B]

Yeah, I guess it Right. But he wasn't Brad Pitt yet.

[A]

Oh, he wasn't Brad Pitt yet.

[B]

I Didn't know what the he was.

[A]

He was just Brad.

[B]

Yeah. And she was driving him. He didn't have a car.

[A]

Oh, that's some Brad. Brad never got a car, bro. Name seven Brads that have cars, bro. None of them bastards. Yeah. Oh. Have you been good at being in love, you think over your life?

[B]

I've gotten so much trouble being in love in my life, you know? Love is. Love is so many entities, you know?

[A]

I mean, love has been. You gotten in so much trouble.

[B]

No, I don't have trouble with love. I have trouble with me. That nothing to do with it.

[A]

Love has trouble with you.

[B]

No, it's me with the trouble. I have not. Love had no beef with me. Love supposed to do what it does. I supposed to do what I do, you know? And that's what we do.

[A]

You think you're hard to love or not, huh? You think you're hard to love?

[B]

I think I'm a quiet taste.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm humble enough to know that I could be replaced. But I'm confident to know that nobody in the world is like me.

[A]

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[B]

truth, that I've never been. I don't never. That's just a. Some form of imagination, really, being some big star. I know who I am. I know what I've accomplished in life, the good, the bad, you know, but there's not many people, you know, listen, I walk with poverty and I sit with presence, you know, I'm just. There's not too many things I haven't done in my life, you know, So I just take my life day by day. I don't make too many plans, you

[A]

know, I. I met your wife now, Kiki.

[B]

Yeah. Very interesting person, huh?

[A]

I'm going to say she's a beautiful, nice lady. You can say she's very interesting person. She is very interesting. I'm sure I don't know her well. She seems very. She has very kind eyes and she seems like she really cares about you. So those are things that I noticed. And you guys have some beautiful children. I saw some of. One of them, I think is here, maybe two. Michael, Miguel. But. But Miguel, Miguel. Lo siento. And in Milan.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kiki seems to just have like. She wants to make sure that you're okay. Right. Is there like or what. What's good? Like, what's it like now with her, with this relationship? What's this marriage like?

[B]

I don't know. That's too perfect. We need a little in that other thing. Yeah, we cool. We have a great connection. You know, we every now and then.

[A]

What's something you really love about her?

[B]

I just love her being a mother. She's an awesome mother, awesome wife and the all around beautiful person. I really hit the jackpot with this monkey. She's really precious.

[A]

Where did you meet Kiki at?

[B]

I knew it. Since she was like 1918.

[A]

Yeah. Is she like a strong woman in the household? Like, what's that kind of energy like. Like, does she make you get up early or anything?

[B]

That's the whole thing. I don't have to move. What's that with my wife, I don't have to move.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I don't have to move. She takes care of me, everything. I got the real wife that, you know, cooks for me, bring my food to my plate. If I'm tired, she'll feed me. I got it going.

[A]

You got a green, huh? That's nice.

[B]

Then she's also. She's also my pet. And she's also my tiger too, too. She's my defender.

[A]

So she has that in her too. No, you gotta have somebody that has that.

[B]

Oh, you have. So there's nobody has the more fury than a woman. And that's just in general. There's nobody that fights more fearful than a woman.

[A]

Oh, dude, they can make a child. If you and I laid on her back for nine months, we couldn't make no.

[B]

Well, they could listen, they could bleed nine months and leave. We get a little cut on our hands. We get affectionate eye. You know, women are special breed.

[A]

Yeah, well, they're wizards. They're damn wizards, I'll say that. But they are also a great breed.

[B]

No, that's the biggest. That's the biggest gift God could ever give us is a woman.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The most precious gift God could ever give us is a woman.

[A]

Yeah. That's the truth. I agree. I agree, man.

[B]

Hey, this is our show.

[A]

Yeah, you heard the man. I think like fathering and fame would seem like it's really hard for me.

[B]

How about your life?

[A]

I don't have any children yet.

[B]

Oh, God bless you, man.

[A]

What?

[B]

God bless you. Because this doesn't work well with children.

[A]

Well, I don't want my. I don't want things that I've said or done to influence my children's life for people to look at them a certain way or have certain expectations out of of them. But I don't fear that that much. But your life has been at a. At an insane amount of that. Like, what was that? Did it make it hard for you? Like, what was it like fathering and having your life like and the fame?

[B]

I don't know. My kids have a great life and if they ever started complaining, they should think about. They should have had my father. Then they would have a right to complain. Yeah, they do not have a right to complain. My kids go to the best school the world can offer. They had the best. The best opportunities to work offer is up to them to take advantage of it.

[A]

Where was your father from?

[B]

North Carolina.

[A]

Oh, dude, no way I'm going to freaking Wilmington this weekend.

[B]

Charlotte. He's from Charlotte.

[A]

Oh, Charlotte. Charlotte's okay.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I. I'm fine.

[B]

I know been you haven't.

[A]

I'm fine with it. I will tell you this story. So one time I was in Charlotte, right? And I hadn't been there before. My friend and I were sitting on a patio, we were just getting something to eat and I saw somebody Pushing a baby carriage out there, right? And I thought. And they were wearing, like, a couple of different, like. Like shawls or, like, rugs. Almost like a bunch of, like, tapestries and stuff over them and over the carriage. And I thought it was like a homeless guy. Like, almost like a French homeless guy, right? Because he's French. Well, just. He was a very color. It looked like, dude, it was French.

[B]

And North Carolina.

[A]

Well, just because of the. The.

[B]

The.

[A]

The. The elegance of the shawls and stuff. They seem very Frenches. Very Frenches. And yeah, it was freaking Cam Newton pushing his newborn down the street.

[B]

Are you serious?

[A]

I swear that is the true story. And that's the truth that I. It was him, dude. I'm. Keep looking. I'm like, damn, they got the most beautiful, elegant homeless around here. They really vibing. And then I'm like, I saw people run up and get photos, and it was him. Knew he just had a newborn child and he was taking it for a little. Little afternoon stroll out there by the McCormick and Schmicks out there.

[B]

You have anybody you're in love with?

[A]

Do you have anybody? I'm in love with?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, Nobody off the top of my head, yeah.

[B]

You're not with a woman right now?

[A]

No, I'm not with a woman right now, no.

[B]

You're not kicking it with no one right now?

[A]

I mean, I'm. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying that.

[B]

How old are you?

[A]

I'm 46. Dude, I'm an adult.

[B]

You got the hair. You got that hair. As long as you got that hair, you got that. You got the advantage of that.

[A]

Once I had to go, that hair

[B]

is serious advantage right there.

[A]

If you'd have had hair, you think you'd have been. You think you'd have been even more handsome?

[B]

If I had hair, I wouldn't be married. I'd be in lawsuits and all that.

[A]

In lawsuits. That's crazy, bro.

[B]

That's. Hair is power. That's why when they did that about Samson, couldn't really hear his power.

[A]

Well, that's what. Even when they used to scout people and stuff and take their hair, they was taking that, you know, they would take out something they felt. That's why I grew my hair a lot.

[B]

People didn't represent power. That's why they always trying to cut your hair, boy, you look like a animal. Cut your hair. Cut your hair. Keep your hair.

[A]

Yeah, I want to be an animal.

[B]

Yeah, keep your hand. Because once you lose your hair, you go, oh, always the guy was Added back. Some guys say I was in the way. No, wasn't in the way. You wish you had your hair back.

[A]

It was the only thing that was in the way of. Was in the way of you being a little. That's the only thing you want, huh?

[B]

Well, let that hair grow. Don't care how much you grow. Let it grow. Let the people say, oh, you're an animal. You can't get a job. You can get a job. I'm out of here now.

[A]

Yeah, you can get a job at Target. You can get a job as a mechanic's assistant.

[B]

Anything. Anything that makes more money than the average person. By far.

[A]

Yeah, bro, you could just brush your hair online and dudes will pay to watch you do it.

[B]

Yo, listen, that online thing, it's either the best thing a pedophile could ever dream of, or else it's the biggest. The biggest hit in the world. One or the other.

[A]

It's the worst, bro. Do you think you've seen. Times change, bro. Same. But, like, how bad? Like, things are? Not bad, but things just gotten so much different. It's gotten away from them.

[B]

Everything became sexual lately. And why. Everybody's worried about who's sleeping with who. Everybody's worried about who gender is who and who looks like this. And it's all about that now.

[A]

Yes. There used to be so much more, I think. I don't know. When you couldn't record everything, the moment was so great, but. Because then also, if I needed to know a story, the only way I could get it was from you or from somebody that told it well. And so that person had, like. I don't know, they had an ambiance about him. There might be a dude in town, only all he did was tell one good story or.

[B]

No, that's happened since the beginning of life.

[A]

Yeah. And now it's suddenly different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And now we're at. People out here losing their minds and killing themselves.

[B]

Hurting.

[A]

Killing themselves, Mike. Dude, nobody killed themselves. When I was a kid, nobody was killing themselves. If you were angry or depressed, you just listened to heavy metal and walked around town. Remember that?

[B]

Yes. But, man, that's. You know, it's just. It's interesting that people are doing that now.

[A]

We're sick, though. There's not. There's something poisoning us. Do you agree with that?

[B]

100 I. I know the government know what it is.

[A]

Yeah. I ain't telling.

[B]

You know, because death is profitable. You know, people cashing on your insurance and all that. That is very profitable.

[A]

Even at the morgue. Dude, My buddy freaking died. They put. They put new shoes on him, charged his family 300 bucks. I'm like, he's wearing them for 50 minutes. Just get a rental and they got a whole fresh pair. That's crazy, man. But I agree. There's something the government knows, man. So now people are gonna have to rise up. Something's gonna have to happen. Do you believe that people have that in us still, or do you believe.

[B]

I believe this. I believe there's some people, even if they're elite people, they have money and have the resources to live longer, healthier, you know, imagine being 90 and living healthy. You can still run, you can still fuck, you can still do things. Their family jump, fall over. Exactly. No, serious.

[A]

Yeah, I feel you. You think that's possible for some people right now, in their height now?

[B]

Absolutely. Right? Absolutely. Because the. That I use now all this. All this can't. It's just crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Feel young, that's all. That's why I be going fighting again, dude. Next I feel good. Next thing they going to give you. So they kind of got now that. Then you sniff it. Makes you smarter. What is it? I don't know what it is. No, listen, you're laughing now, but don't fly when it comes out. You can say Mike was talking about that.

[A]

You'll be hitting that in that.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. If you get too smart, you might have a brain collapse, right? An aneurysm or something.

[A]

I don't wanna. There's a lot of. I don't want to know, dude. The smarter I get, I feel like the more I heard, bro.

[B]

No, but listen, they got stuff. Check. Check this out. Imagine if somebody said, I have something in this needle that'll make you last 30 more years strong or make your dicks stay hard for 24 hours or something like that. That's what people are working at. Whatever our biggest kinks are, right? It could be sex, it'll be alcohol. They give you a shyness. No more alcohol in your life. No more drugs in your life. It's all about the. I was gonna be all about the needle soon. And pills. Oh, the needles and pills.

[A]

Did you. Were you ever a needle user or not?

[B]

Well, I used a lot of needles. Yes, I have. Yeah, I use a lot of needles.

[A]

Because that's a different barrier when you go into drug use. Like, I've used a lot of stuff. I never used no needles. I've used like steroids, but I never used like engine, you know, shooting up, like, whatever. It's called heroin. It's called heroin?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I never used it. Now I wish I would have smoked crack. I will say that.

[B]

Stay away from crack.

[A]

Really?

[B]

You don't normally come back.

[A]

That's really why you go crack.

[B]

You don't come back.

[A]

What was it? Did you ever get to smoke it?

[B]

I did one thing. This. Oh, no. Oh, this is going to be crazy. I got to tell you this.

[A]

Please do.

[B]

So one day, and I do my monthly checkup by my still getting high. I'm going to get my checkup with my probation officer. And he gets my probation officer, he gets my test, a blood test. I'm not even thinking. And he comes back. I come back, he said, did we just test you for crack? But I could tell what they call them. What do you call a crack at.

[A]

Oh, crap. A what? Tweaker.

[B]

He tweaker. He said, yeah, but I got. I. I had. I had it in me. But he said, yeah, I know a tweaker. You're not a tweaker. That's the fourth test.

[A]

I said, he knew about sight.

[B]

Yeah, he did. I could tell. Tweaker. He said, you're not a tweaker because it was by accident. I didn't know it was the crap.

[A]

Oh, it was just in there.

[B]

Yeah. I took it without the guy telling me I didn't know. And the cop said that to me. He said, yeah, you got a false test. But I could tell the tweaker, you know, I tweaker.

[A]

Amen.

[B]

That's glad. Thank you for telling me that word, Tweeter.

[A]

Thank you for the tweaker guy. That's good stuff.

[B]

And I said, that guy gave me that.

[A]

That's the thing. You don't know what you would get exactly.

[B]

Imagine if that was Fenton. I'd be dead as a.

[A]

You got out before Fentol.

[B]

Thank God my wife would tell you. Right. It came out of the news that Mike died from a. From a drug overdose at his party. And my wife thought that it was on the news. And the only thing, I come in the house a couple hours later. My wife. My wife screamed at me, cursed at me. Oh, I'm high. I just left the house and kept running.

[A]

It was a false story.

[B]

Yeah, it was a news, too. My wife saw me and hit me. I got the house. I left. Go.

[A]

She was pissed. Even if he was alive, she was.

[B]

She is pissed I was alive. Her in. The mother

[A]

and her. Her mother was pissed, too.

[B]

Yeah. I don't bring that cry. Everything. They think I'm dead. They Checking Morgan and. And hospitals. And I walk through the door high. I'm. I'm. I'm coked up high and drunk. I just left the house. This.

[A]

Like that, man.

[B]

These.

[A]

They can't. They don't. Yeah. They don't love me, dude. Yeah. Do you ever have those days where you stayed up multiple days from doing cocaine or. No.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. So listen, I gotta tell you this story. So I can't get any sleep. So I'm calling the person. My nose hurt like a. Right. Ah. Keep my nose. I'm so, ah. And so I'm calling the person and I'm saying, my nose is hurt.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

I can't sleep. I've been up for four days. My nose is hurting. I got scars on my nose. Said, your nose hurt? She said, you got the cold? I said, yeah. She said, head to head. I forget. I said, wow, that feels better. I never knew I had to go. I should have took a hit. I numbed it up because it got. It wasn't numb anymore to start bleeding, got sore. I had to take another hit to numb it up, man.

[A]

Oh, those nights are the worst, huh? Oh, man, the worst, bro. Did you ever have to sneak into a hospital or did you have a private doctor? But cuz, how.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, this is true. Oh, God. Listen, I go to my doctor, right?

[A]

Your doctor. Hold on. Let's. Let's say. Let's get a round of applause for Mike's doctor, bro.

[B]

I go to my doctors and I go, like I said, this is. I'm. I'm a. I'm. I'm a lady. Spill. I'm a doctor and I'mma quit cocaine right now. And. And he's checking me, right? Giving me, you know, checking out. And he said, how you doing? I said, doc, you know, I'm feeling bad. I need to quit. And he said, what? I said, I need to quit coke. He said, really? Did you take on my lady? I said, yeah. He said, you have some on you? I said, yeah, can I have some? I said, fuck my partner. This is on my children's life. And I'm like, I'm trying to get help. I'm talking to the doctor, but I got a problem that you have some money now they're going to have something that took.

[A]

He was that Blue Cross Blue Shield.

[B]

Who was that? So I, no, I go to. I go to rehab now, right? They put me in rehab and this is what I do. The guy that the rehab staff right, comes up here and he tells me all the rules and Then I try to be a good guy, give him my coke. The last bit of coke. Normally I was doing coke before I came, you know, normally before you go rehab, you get really hot. Yeah. So I gave him the coke I really wanted to get, so I gave him the coke. My last coke. I said, yeah, I got some coke. He said, oh, you have some. Then he went. And the next time I saw him, he started acting funny. I said. I said this thing. It better. I took my coke because I had some good coke. I wanted to be a good person and give it up. The took my coke. So I said, hey, man, you took my coke. You got to stop letting me have girls come over here. Say, let me have girls come over there after rehab. Yeah. What? My right hand and my choice. Children's life, man. Oh, you listen, I can't make like this up. And the rehab guy said, oh, you got cold. And I said, I give us. No, I don't want to get hiding with her. I'm trying to look clean this go away for. He comes back acting weird. Yeah. I said, I know this didn't take my coat. I got mad because I should have kept that then type, man. I got so mad, dude.

[A]

I'll tell you this freaking story. So one time, my friend, we're getting out of a Uber. He dropped some coke, right? And I didn't know he did coke, and I didn't know I did coke, right?

[B]

I've been there.

[A]

So I pick his coke up. I had never seen it before. I just saw this little bag in it. I've registered pretty quick. This is probably cocaine, right? And so we go inside. We're staying at my buddy Kevin's house. We go inside and he starts saying, hey, will you help me look for something, something? But he won't. He won't tell me what it is because he doesn't want me knowing that

[B]

he don't want to give me. That's what it is.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it is. So I keep sneaking off and doing the code because we're looking really hard, right, bro? After, like, two hours, he goes to sleep. I'm still looking for the and doing it, bro. And I forgot what I was even looking for, but I kept looking, bro, because that's who I am. I'm committed.

[B]

I'm that.

[A]

That will ride with you, Mike.

[B]

I gotta tell you this story about cocaine.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[B]

I'm in first. I'm in Jamaica, right? And I leave Jamaica hanging out with Jamaica. Hang out there. And I go to Cuba for, you know, it's very close. I will. Half an hour.

[A]

Did you get to meet Fidel in Cuba or not?

[B]

No. Interesting, though. Check this out. So I'm in Cuba, right? I'm hanging out. And so guy meets. Hey, you're Mike Tyson, right? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Mike said. What's wrong? Is everything okay? I see. Everything's great. You have money? I have lots of money. Yeah. You need a girl. This is a possibility. Yes, I do. You're fucking genius. Right? Listen, but you got. He takes me around this. It's nothing but bricks and rocks and bandits. Look like a bomb at the visit. Disgusting. And I'm like. I'm thinking, this guy's setting me up to get mugged or something here, right? And all of a sudden, this beautiful girl, she had raggedy clothes, she comes out of this fucking the clap. Dilapidated building that look hit by a bomb. Nobody lives in there. This is all abandoned shit. And she comes out. I said, what the fuck? Wow. Yeah, but this is why I'm talking about Castro, you know, the natives there were unable to let. They can't go into hotels there. The people that live to the residence

[A]

because they don't want to keep talking to people that are visiting.

[B]

I don't know. But they're not allowed to go in the hotel. The castle allowed me to take people to my hotel. They let me do whatever I wanted to do a while. Yeah, he was really nice.

[A]

I had.

[B]

I. What? I think I had a fight there. I took bottles. I didn't get arrested or nothing. You're telling people, leave me alone, Let me do what I want.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Anybody else would have been throwing bottles and stuff on Cuba. They would have got up. It had been the hospital, then it would have been the infirmary. Then they would have been in jail.

[A]

What made you want to go to Russia? Because that was kind of like. Like why. You know what I'm saying? Like that.

[B]

I don't even know.

[A]

First of all, did they even at the time have black people in Russia?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Did they really? Because they never put them on, like, the websites or anything.

[B]

Russia? No. They came to Russia around 19. 1909.

[A]

Black people did.

[B]

Yeah. You know, and they've been. I met black Ukrainian. I met black Russians. It was really amazing. Wow.

[A]

Yeah. Because you probably wouldn't even think that would have happened, right?

[B]

No. Till they start talking.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. Dude, that's cool. That's one cool thing about traveling sometimes, bro. This is a true thing.

[B]

I might see somebody that looks like you and their. Their mother might be black. And then father might be. Be white or something. African or something.

[A]

Well, you just realize that, like, oh, there's so many people out there. Like, when I was in my little town, I thought heaven was only going to be people in our town. Right.

[B]

Let me tell you something about Russian people and Ukrainian people. Right? Listen. No.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'm up there, right? And so we got some call girls, supposedly. Call girls, right?

[A]

Some call girls.

[B]

Yes. They call their escorts. They call them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And listen, I'm saying to myself, I want to talk to my friend in Yugoslavia. She talks. Yugoslavia, she calls them that. I want to talk to a friend that's staying in China. She talks to the. She. They. The common. The common call girl must speak around seven languages. Yeah. You know, a call girl in America can't even speak English.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Speak a home language. Call girl speak seven language. I'm trying to think, how can I get this girl from here to America? This girl be a Fortune 500 company. I'm telling you. She speaks eight languages and stuff. Been to the best schools, and she's a call girl.

[A]

Dang.

[B]

Like, whoa.

[A]

And women here, they barely will even learn even one language or even one and a half languages.

[B]

They're not even going to learn how to cook. Yeah, I mean, like, we don't know how to cook, dude.

[A]

Some women can barely use even emojis.

[B]

I don't know how to use it either.

[A]

Yeah, but still, you shouldn't have to. Dude, you're Mike Tyson, man.

[B]

No, I'm not saying women here have it made.

[A]

Women here have it made.

[B]

Made the other countries. You can't have a. You can't have a say of nothing.

[A]

Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess I don't realize how bad, like, women have it.

[B]

Pretty bad. Japan, you see, mostly women, if they're in prison in Japan because they kill, Took their husband, majority of them. Yeah. They can't stand the abuse anymore.

[A]

Oh, damn.

[B]

To Japan. Can you imagine?

[A]

Because they're so peaceful. A lot of times we had a Japanese substitute teacher and he didn't even say anything to us because he didn't want to bother us. That's how nice he was. We didn't learn anything.

[B]

Scandi was.

[A]

Yeah, that's how scared he was. Well, we didn't learn anything for four days because he, he, he was. He was. He didn't even want to bother us. You fought in Japan against. Was it. Who was it?

[B]

I had two fights in Japan. Fights. Douglas and someone else.

[A]

Tony ts, Buster Douglas. That's when you won the championship.

[B]

I lost the championship.

[A]

Oh, damn. Sorry.

[B]

Nobody. Sorry. I'm happy. I got $40 million.

[A]

You got $40 million.

[B]

35 years.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Same, though.

[A]

Yeah, same, bro.

[B]

Rounded even.

[A]

Dude, that's so wild, bro.

[B]

But.

[A]

But before that fight, you weren't. Did you. Were you training as hard or were you just, like, living the life?

[B]

I was living the life. But he fought a great fight. Yeah, he fought a great fight, dude.

[A]

I remember we were like. I was living in Charleston, South Carolina, at the time, and somebody had bought the fight with, like, a projector, and they projected on the side of, like, a building, and everybody came downtown and watched it. Dude, it was awesome, bro. It was a good time, man. It was like, when you fought, it was like, it brought everybody. It was like watching the challenger blow up. Everybody showed up, you know, they challenged it.

[B]

This blow.

[A]

Remember that?

[B]

Everybody watched the whole television that whole day. Watched it over and over again. That's like those guys that went in the water with those submarine and combustors and inside post.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He took his son down there, but

[A]

they went down there in a match nugget. You know that shit's going to happen, dude. Bro, it said cutless on the side of it was a Delta 88. I'm like, you got in that. They just like. I don't want to. I shouldn't say that. They're good.

[B]

They. They got. They got smashed. They couldn't. They didn't even feel it. Didn't feel it.

[A]

That's tight, boy. Cuz, I hate even getting in a small shirt. You ever put a small shirt on and you can't even get out of it?

[B]

Oh, I like being a small shirt. I'm Puff

[A]

if you're Mike Tyson.

[B]

Logan. Yeah.

[A]

Dude, I went to Hulk's funeral, man.

[B]

Did you really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Tell me about that.

[A]

It was pretty special, man. Like. Well, it was a lot of things. It was like that right outside of Tampa. Right outside of Tampa. And, well, one thing that was interesting, Jim McMahon was there, but nobody knew he was there. And then at one point, he came out like Vince McMahon. Yeah. You ever met Jim McMahon?

[B]

That's his father.

[A]

No. Jim McMahon was a quarterback for the Chicago Bears.

[B]

Remember him? Oh, he's badass. Yeah, he was funny. Glasses.

[A]

Yeah, he had that mullet. Dude. He showed me his freaking butthole one time in. In Palm Springs at a casino. For no reason.

[B]

No, it was a revamp. He figured you out. He figured you out. That's like a quarterback. He's a great quarterback. Great perception, quarterback perception.

[A]

But look at this receiver that's crazy, dude. But anyway, you're right.

[B]

That hole open. Tell me about him showing you that butthole. Tell me about that. How does that appear? What. What caused it?

[A]

Well, nobody was expecting it. It was just like a regular night and have you ever hung out with him before? I never met him before. And he was drinking beers and he kept. He was saving all the cans. I think he was like. He's like a. What's it called when you care about the nature? When you're like a. Myself.

[B]

He was the one. They'll be saying that we could have a lawsuit. He saw that.

[A]

I saw it. It was dark.

[B]

I mean, but Jim McMahon. You're welcome to come on and have a lawsuit. This man saw your. What?

[A]

Dude, why are you.

[B]

You said you saw the. He may think differently. Well, look, he may say. If that was a cheek, that wasn't an.

[A]

Mike is working in now you working for an attorney's office. I know who it is.

[B]

Was it a cheek or.

[A]

I don't know, man. Damn. You tricked me. I just said I don't know. But I knew it was a little while ago. You're right. I'm not sure. It was shadowy out. But I do remember we were by the pool and it was night time. But anyway.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm opening up some cheeks. Right. Spread his cheeks.

[A]

Right. But everything in my just like mind, I guess thought there was an.

[B]

They say come get it, guys.

[A]

No.

[B]

Come on, guys.

[A]

No, he wasn't saying anything like that. He was telling a joke about his ex girlfriend or something. And then he said. And then he said the punchline. I don't remember it. And then he just kind of showed his. Showed his butthole at the end.

[B]

The running back. He said, come run up into this. Who's the running back for his show?

[A]

Who was the running back at the time? It wasn't Peyton, was it? No Sayers. No Sayers was early. Was it?

[B]

No. Was it really?

[A]

And 85 bears was Peyton.

[B]

Well, I've been here. Big pay water. Come on.

[A]

Come on. Walter. Get over here. Walter. I didn't mean to see it, but. Yeah, anyway, let's move on. But here's what I'm gonna say is. So Vince McMahon comes out there. Nobody knew he was at the funeral. And it was wild because they had

[B]

guys like that beef to him in the entire.

[A]

Yeah, well, I think over the years they'd had a lot of issues, right? But a lot of my favorite wrestlers were there and they were kind of broken down, you know, somewhere in wheelchairs. And some were, like. Some were. Some people had earns of other like, of guys who had passed on. They had their asses just. They brought them. But Vince McMahon got up and he did, like, he played Hulk's music, and he did all, like, a lot of his, like, things, you know, and then he made, like, a speech, and then he disappeared. But. But it was. It was everything. It was like, you know, he was so much of my childhood. He was like one of the first person that I ever saw, like, in our neighborhood, like, a lot of people didn't have anything, but when wrestling came on, it felt like you had something. I don't know why. Right.

[B]

It's like a soap opera for kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, we know the story. They double team. They cut him up. They couldn't sleep. They jumped through them over the rope.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. All of that. But it. But anyway, so that was like our hero.

[B]

We knew it was a storyline, but

[A]

we, as kids, we thought. I think you believe it's so real, 100%. It was so good. So that was like, one. One of our. That was one of our heroes. So to go was just. Yeah, I don't know. It was pretty special. And his son, like, gave a speech. It was nice, man. It was just. And. But it didn't feel like he passed away because he was. He's so much larger than.

[B]

Talk to Hulk on the show.

[A]

Yep. And I'll tell you this. When. When I met you downstairs and I got to shake your hand, I was like, that's the. That's the strongest person I'd ever like. Could we give us, like, a mini hook? I said, that's. I walked out. I said, that's the strongest person I've ever given a mini hug to. The second strongest was Hulk Hogan.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Hulk was massive, man. He was a big star. He's just such a big star. You could never imagine how big he was.

[A]

Who was like a hero like that, like in the.

[B]

Bruno San Martino.

[A]

Bruno San Martino.

[B]

That was my hero, my grand. He could be that. He was champion for 12 years. Yeah. He could beat everybody. He was champion. Listen, I was seven until I was like, what, seven to, like, 20? Almost.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Champion.

[A]

He was a legend, man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I got to interview one of the Von Erichs one time. Kevin Von Erich. I don't know if you remember.

[B]

They died at 4.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I'm gonna. Listen, man. I'm a historian. Don't play with me now.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Ask me some questions.

[A]

I'm not sure I have read, actually. That you, like, studied a lot of, like. Like you really enjoy, like, philosophy. Like Tolstoy, Alexander the Great. Who were some, like, famous warriors that you admire the most kind of. In history.

[B]

Oh, all of them. Achilles, Alexander, Hannibal. There was just El Cid. There was just so many different concepts. You say, why do you want to do. Do this? Because. No, I. Some of them want to be God. They believe if I control all this world, if I control the world, I'm a God. And they still. At the end of the day, they realized they were nothing, you know?

[A]

But can you even relate to that? Like, did you ever have a time in your life where you're. Because our ego is one of the scariest things, Right.

[B]

You can only play with the thought of it. It's not sincere, not real.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Only way you're a God is if you live forever, if you're immortal. But we have demigods now. Now we have authors that turn people into gods.

[A]

You know, like, what do you mean by that?

[B]

Some people would never be forgotten. Napoleon, all these guys. To know your history, you have to know these people. They're part of history. We can't know our history if we don't know these people. That's what makes them godly.

[A]

Oh, only if we know them.

[B]

You'll never get to know them unless you read about them. They're only in special places to know their identity.

[A]

Did you, like, what was one of the toughest times you ever had with your own ego? Because, like, ego is just so scary, right?

[B]

I don't know. My ego is so personal, you know, I don't know how to even consider. I just want to do better than before. I don't think I have. You know, I do think I'm Alexander the Great. Sometimes I think I am.

[A]

And what are you talking about, like, you do? Like you dressing up in the bedroom. What you doing? A little role playing. Put on that ATG hat. It says ATG on it.

[B]

No, it's just that the way I conduct myself. He was a cancer, too, my Alexander. And what his downfall was was he's moody. So I learned that. And I feel like my moods control my feelings. He was really moody. That was his downfall.

[A]

What helped you, like, have discipline? Like, say. Say something like that you notice about yourself, what helped you create, like, some little disciplines like that the best way

[B]

to receive discipline is to do what you hate to do, but to do it like you love it. You do that. That's discipline.

[A]

And is that something you really practice?

[B]

That's all I practiced my Whole life, even now.

[A]

Did you always love fighting or did you hate fighting or.

[B]

No, I loved it. I loved. I loved the concept of fighting. I loved the fighters. I was so I wanted the greatest fighters in the world and know my name. I was. I would, you know, I would be on my knee, kiss their hand, kiss their feet. I love them. I worship them. I believe they touched me. They have need some magic on me. So I was going to be around. I carried their bags for them. I gave them money when I became a big time fighter, always gave them money because they're normally broken down. They have no money. You know, most of them have dementia. So I always gave them money to care.

[A]

Gave it and took it away. If they got that dementia, you feel me? They run it right back.

[B]

But I just thought that.

[A]

But paying homage, you're saying.

[B]

Yeah, I had to pay homage. If I didn't even see these guys, I wouldn't want to be who I am today. These guys inspired me to be a fighter. I didn't want to be nothing else. Even though I saw that they turned out, I normally would turn out like these guys. Nothing begging. I still wanted to be a fighter. I don't care. I didn't care. I wanted to be with that kind of. I wanted to be in that fraternity.

[A]

Dude, that's so interesting to hear. Yeah, I never think about that. It's like, yeah, Like, I didn't just. We didn't just come up with the idea of ourselves all by ourselves. Like, there was so much influence and people that did something before us that like, let us. No matter what our job is or what our thing is that we like to do in life. That's interesting, man. I forget about that sometimes. Like, yeah, sometimes I get. I don't get stuck there much, but sometimes it'll be like, oh, I'm like, yeah, I made me.

[B]

Do you ever think about who you are, how you really got here? What you really consist of? Is there something more than you? Are we going to see each other again at another time? Are we living in parallel life? Is this right here going on somewhere else in life? We have so much energy, we don't even know about ourselves. We know everything else, but we know nothing about us.

[A]

Oh, yeah, dude. I didn't. Like most of my life. I wasn't even me. I was just. I was just like some survival mechanism that had started off. Does that make any sense to you?

[B]

100%. That's the first thing that happens. Self preservation starts first and then once we get situated, then we Try to figure everything else out.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, man. It took forever. Like, it took me probably 30 years just to exhale, you know, I understand.

[B]

I understand, brother.

[A]

And then it's scary because there's times I thought, man, like, I don't even know if I wanted to be, like, a funny guy. I might need to be wanted. Somebody that worked at, like, a clothing, like a haberdasher or whatever, like a singer. But I. But I. But that was the first thing that I could get people to, like, get attention. Yeah, I see you. And so I could. Like, I was just. I. There was. I didn't have another choice. That formed everything I was.

[B]

You know, I wanted to be seen so much. I was a little baby, and my mother and her friends. Everybody was having fun, drinking. I put my finger in. Drain on. I put it in my mouth, and I wanted them. I started screaming. Everybody grabbed me and took me to the hospital. But I wanted that attention at such a young age. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I love going to the hospital, dude, because they had good food back then, too, and they give you attention, bro. Yeah, dude. They had a couple ladies would come in and care about you. Even a gay dude. They slip in there every now and then. But still, bro, that Jim McMahon.

[B]

Love is love. I feel.

[A]

Hey, bro.

[B]

Love is love.

[A]

I got a question, Mike. Did. Did anybody ever. Because I just got back from Lexington, right? Lexington, Kentucky. And they have the derby race there, and. And it's a beautiful place. We just shot a special for Netflix, actually, that's coming out in, like, about two months. So I'm excited about that. But did anybody ever approach you to buy your semen? And I mean that honestly, and I don't mean that in, like, a negative word.

[B]

No, I mean, I gave it away free. Why didn't they want to buy it,

[A]

bro? Yo, dude, we're giving our busted ass semen away out here. You over there. Dang, bro,

[B]

it's free.

[A]

We what?

[B]

I had no idea they were selling. They were buying,

[A]

dude.

[B]

I'd be a billionaire by now. You can still.

[A]

Bro. Long as you can still warm up a batch, bro. You can sell it at the merch stand over here.

[B]

Allow. If I was single, I would.

[A]

I.

[B]

Look, I.

[A]

That's true. He might have an issue with it.

[B]

Maniac.

[A]

God. Bro, I could get rid a couple ounces for you out back at this joint today, man.

[B]

I'm happy the way my life is now.

[A]

Yeah. What's. What's a few things before we go, Mike? What's a few things that make you that Bring you some of the most joy that you have today. And they can be something small. It could be anything.

[B]

Just my children don't have to live the life that I live. That's the only thing. That's all I care about.

[A]

Is it?

[B]

That's all I care about.

[A]

Yeah. Is that something?

[B]

Listen, this might even make them strong, but I won't take the risk. It might kill them, too.

[A]

Wait, say that one more time for me.

[B]

I say it might even make them strong, but it might kill them, too.

[A]

Oh, to have to go through the same stuff. Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

I don't want to take the chance. I like the way they live it now.

[A]

Yeah. Well, you did it.

[B]

Yeah. Masculine. A lot of help. A lot of help.

[A]

A lot of help. Yeah. Yeah. We don't do it alone.

[B]

Excuse me. No. No way. No way. You realize real quick when you have children, you need help. Yeah. You need a lot of help.

[A]

Thank you so much for joining us today, Mike. I want to say, everybody, you have a one. You have a one man show that's going to be try. That's a live show that your wife wrote. Is that right?

[B]

Yes, she did.

[A]

Wow. And did she have to get you to sign off? Did y' all do some teamwork or what was it?

[B]

Sign up for what mattered, that this is her work and I don't get any money for it? What do you mean?

[A]

Did she just, like, say. Or was it like, did you guys like. How do you put that together? Because it's interesting that she would write it. Is it just about talk?

[B]

Let's talk.

[A]

Let's talk.

[B]

Let's talk about dark. You know, it works out well.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You'll love it when you hear the midget story.

[A]

You got a good one in it. Oh, and it's in the. It's in the show.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Save some of. Yeah, I'm gonna. You know what? I'll come out to one.

[B]

You gotta check this out, man.

[A]

I'll come out. I'll even come on stage and just listen to it. I'll put on something little for you. Not for you. For just. I'll just wear it.

[B]

Tell me about little. How little works.

[A]

I put on his thong.

[B]

You go with a thong?

[A]

No, no. I'm just saying a small shirt. But you have that one man show that's going to be. And that's going to be a tour.

[B]

We'll see.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

We see how much they pay me for it. We'll see.

[A]

And you have. And you have your documentary that's coming out on Netflix.

[B]

Lex? Yes, I do.

[A]

You do?

[B]

If your guys know every thing about you.

[A]

I don't know, we learned a lot tonight, dude. If Cus, if. If Cus Demono could see you now and see your whole life, right? If he could see your whole life, you know, and just get to spend some time with you today, what do you think? Like, what would be something that you would like to like a moment you would like to see. See with him or, or have him say, what do you think would be something that he'd be impressed by?

[B]

I would say, cuz anybody in the world says I'm the best ever. What do you think?

[A]

What do we think, guys?

[B]

But know what he would say? Know what Cus would say?

[A]

What would he say?

[B]

Mike, you didn't move your head enough. If that guy was a little faster, he would have hit you. If that guy was a little faster, he would have hit you. Yeah, knock a guy out eight seconds, he was a little faster. He hit you had your head up,

[A]

man. Thank you so much for sharing your time with us today, for bringing your family here today. Just for the opportunity that we get to see you.

[B]

They all love you. I don't know who the you are. My family. That was me, but. And lovely. My kids love me. Who the.

[A]

You know the truth, dude. I don't know who the I am either, bro.

[B]

I wish I did too, but.

[A]

Hey, but I love you, man.

[B]

Thank you so kindly, bro.

[A]

And that's the truth. And. And thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Tyson.

[B]

Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone oh but

[A]

when I reach that ground I'll share

[B]

this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones but it's gonna take a little.