E541 BigXthaPlug

Summary

Podcast Summary: "This Past Weekend with Theo Von" - Episode E541: BigXthaPlug

Host: Theo Von
Guest: Big X the Plug
Release Date: October 30, 2024
Podcast Description: A recap of the events from the past weekend, occasionally delving into other days.

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Introduction

Theo Von kicks off the episode with promotional segments, highlighting upcoming tour dates in cities like Bloomington, Columbus, Champaign, Grand Rapids, Lafayette, and Beaumont. He introduces today's guest, Big X the Plug, a Dallas-based rapper known for his hit songs "Texas," "Whip It," and "M." Big X is currently touring in support of his new album, Take Care.

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Recent Tours and Performances

Theo Von: "Where'd you just come from? From touring. I'm gonna move this down on you." [01:19]

Big X shares his recent experience performing in Louisville, Kentucky, noting the venue was 95% sold out and packed with enthusiastic fans. Theo adds a personal touch by mentioning his visits to horse tracks, leading to a light-hearted conversation about horses and Native Americans in Montana.

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Life on the Road and Personal Experiences

Theo Von: "You ever meet any Native Americans?" [02:02]

Big X admits he hasn't met any in real life but discusses the beauty of Montana and his friend Shabuza's experience there. Their dialogue shifts to pets, with Big X revealing his daughter's nickname is Bird and talking about his Cane Corso and pocket bullies.

Notable Quote: Theo Von: "Native Americans have the best weed. I've always heard that." [02:39]

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Family and Personal Life

Big X opens up about his family dynamics, mentioning his parents separated before his birth but remained good friends who supported him. He proudly discusses his two children—a newborn daughter and a six-month-old son with autism.

Big X the Plug: "They both helped take care of me, got made me the man I am today." [17:10]

He shares heartfelt anecdotes about missing his son's first birthday due to being incarcerated and the subsequent challenges he faced balancing fatherhood with his burgeoning music career.

Notable Quote: Big X the Plug: "If it wasn't for her, I probably wouldn't be here." [22:40]

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Career Beginnings and Transition to Rap

Theo Von: "You have to invest this in your own." [69:22]

Big X recounts his first job at Taco Cabela, earning $750 for two weeks, which left him frustrated with traditional employment. This experience fueled his desire to become his own boss, leading him to pursue a career in rap to provide for his children.

Big X the Plug: "That's probably me having that first job is probably what made me start wanting to do stuff, to just be my own entity, my own boss." [14:14]

He details his entry into music, initially sharing his tracks with friends before gaining wider recognition, eventually securing a distribution deal with United Masters.

Notable Quote: Big X the Plug: "This is me being honest about me." [63:35]

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Navigating Success and Maintaining Authenticity

Big X discusses the ups and downs of sudden success, including financial missteps and the pressure to maintain an image. Despite these challenges, he emphasizes staying true to himself and his roots, avoiding the trappings of fame that many artists succumb to.

Big X the Plug: "But when you're just talking about what you've done, what you've went through, like, that's just coming out." [65:23]

He highlights the importance of genuine connections with fans, preferring post-show meet and greets where interactions feel more authentic.

Notable Quote: Big X the Plug: "My biggest mentor is my son." [41:26]

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Mentorship and Inspirations

While Big X doesn't rely on traditional industry mentors, he credits his son as his primary source of inspiration and guidance. This relationship drives his commitment to his career and personal growth.

Big X the Plug: "He gotta take both my kids." [39:27]

He also mentions connections with other artists like Jelly Roll and Lil Wayne, who have influenced his music and approach to the industry.

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Future Plans and Aspirations

Looking ahead, Big X expresses a desire to diversify his career into movies, commercials, and voiceovers, aiming to build a lasting legacy for his children. He mentions plans for a country album and potential collaborations with artists like Shabuzi and Ellie Chopper.

Big X the Plug: "Everything that I'm doing right now, I'm basically doing it to make it hard on them." [60:56]

Theo and Big X also engage in a playful discussion about space travel and the possibility of encountering aliens, showcasing the relaxed and humorous dynamic of the interview.

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Closing Remarks

Theo congratulates Big X on his ongoing tour and the success of his album Take Care. They discuss the importance of maintaining genuine relationships with fans and staying authentic in the music industry. The episode wraps up with a mutual appreciation for each other's journeys and a final promotion for Big X's tour dates.

Notable Quote: Theo Von: "People bet on it now. Two people betting on the election. They." [40:31]

Big X the Plug: "We working. We working." [70:32]

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Conclusion

In this engaging conversation, Theo Von and Big X the Plug explore the rapper's personal struggles, family life, journey to success, and the importance of authenticity in the music industry. Big X's candidness about his past, combined with his dedication to his family and craft, provides listeners with a deep and relatable insight into his life as an independent artist.

Key Takeaways:

• The influence of early employment experiences on career choices.
• Balancing personal life and professional success amidst sudden fame.
• The significance of genuine fan interactions and staying true to one’s roots.
• Building a legacy for future generations through diverse career endeavors.

Notable Quotes:

• Theo Von: "Native Americans have the best weed. I've always heard that." [02:39]
• Big X the Plug: "If it wasn't for her, I probably wouldn't be here." [22:40]
• Big X the Plug: "This is me being honest about me." [63:35]
• Big X the Plug: "My biggest mentor is my son." [41:26]

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Relevant Timestamp Highlights

• Introduction of Big X the Plug: [01:02]
• First Job Experience: [13:22]
• Discussion about Family and Children: [17:10]
• Musical Career and Success: [33:17]
• Touring and Performances: [61:30]
• Future Aspirations: [60:56]
• Closing Statements: [70:32]

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This episode of "This Past Weekend with Theo Von" offers a profound glimpse into Big X the Plug's life, illustrating the challenges and triumphs of navigating the music industry while prioritizing family and authenticity.

Transcript

[Theo Von]

Hi, I'm Angie Hicks, co founder of angie. When you use Angie for your home projects, you know all your jobs will be done well, from roof repair to emergency plumbing and more done well. So the next time you have a home project, leave it to the pros. Get [e-mail] I have some tour dates upcoming to tell you about. Bloomington, Indiana, November 13th, Columbus, Ohio, Champaign, Illinois. Over there in Illinois, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Lafayette, Louisiana and Beaumont, Texas. There are some tickets still available. Theo von.com t o u r Make sure to go through that link so you're getting fair priced tickets. Today's guest is a rapper out of Dallas, Texas. He has his new album take Care which he's on tour with right now. He has hit songs, Texas Whip It M and others. We're grateful for his time. Today's guest is Big X the plug.

[Big X the Plug]

Shine on me and I will find a song I've been singing.

[Theo Von]

Where'd you just come from? From touring. I'm gonna move this down on you.

[Big X the Plug]

Where we just come from? Louisville, Kentucky. Oh yeah. Sir.

[Theo Von]

How was that? All right?

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, I didn't think. What was the sold out? No, they was. It was packed. 95%. It was crazy though.

[Theo Von]

They got a lot of horses up there too. I've been to the horse track up there.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, I was just gonna say, don't they do like derbies and stuff?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's nice. Some of the horses are strong. Some of them aren't that strong. What else has been going on? Yeah, I was just up in Montana. We had some shows up there. Met some Native Americans up there.

[Big X the Plug]

Okay.

[Theo Von]

You ever met any Native Americans?

[Big X the Plug]

Like a real life one? No, I don't think so. I don't think so.

[Theo Von]

We met a couple up there. They're pretty cool, man. We was up at. I met. We were at Autozone up there and they had a couple Native Americans up there and we met them and yeah, they're just wild and they try to. They have a lot of good weed too, a lot of times.

[Big X the Plug]

Oh, okay then. Yeah. I probably would have bumped into a few if I was. But now I heard it's beautiful out there. Shabuza. That's one of my close friends and he was just out there shooting a video and he was like, bro, I think I'm gonna move out here. It's crazy out here.

[Theo Von]

He's so nice.

[Big X the Plug]

I gotta make sure I stop by there. For sure.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. It looks like you're like on another, like. I mean it looks like you're on this planet, but on it just like on the back. Best parts of it. You look out there. And they got all kind of exotic animals, too, out there. That's why I think. Yeah, yeah. Native Americans have the best weed. I've always heard that. I never gotten a smoke any with them. They got that. That'll bring your dead relatives back, you know, they got that real. They got that susayer gas, homie.

[Big X the Plug]

Do I. Do I want to smoke that? Bring your dead relatives back. Do you want to smoke that?

[Theo Von]

That's true. I mean, I guess if you owe somebody some money, maybe you just let them be where they're at.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, for sure.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And they had the best pets, too. Think about it. Native Americans had pets, man. Falcon, buffalo, eagles.

[Big X the Plug]

I'm scared of all that type of stuff, really. I'm scared of any animal that's for one bigger than me. So, like horses, cows. I'm terrified of them.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Big X the Plug]

And then just eagles and all that stuff. Like, you can't really do nothing about those. So if they fly down and grab you and rip skin off, you can't do nothing to them. Can't. So, you know, I don't do bugs. I don't do exotic lizards. I don't do snakes. I don't really.

[Theo Von]

I could see you with a nice bird, man.

[Big X the Plug]

With a bird. Yeah, I do have a bird. My daughter's name, her nickname is Bird, so that's as good as it get. I was terrified right there.

[Theo Von]

Oh, wow.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, I was terrible. You see how far away I am from the horse?

[Theo Von]

Oh, it is. Yeah. Yeah. You kept your distance. Wow. Did you even facetime with that thing first, or. They just brought him straight up.

[Big X the Plug]

They just brought it. They just brought it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. That kind of stuff is a lot, man. Horses make me nervous, too. They're just so big, and you don't trust them, you know?

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

And I don't trust anything that only can see out of the side of its head.

[Big X the Plug]

That too. That, too.

[Theo Von]

You know, that's how I really feel about a lot of animals. But did you ever have any pets growing up?

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, a lot of dogs.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. What kind of.

[Big X the Plug]

Y'all have rottweilers right now? I have a Cane Corso. I have two pocket bullies. Got a Frenchie, but just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That actually looks just like my dog Sasha that's at the house right now with the white patches and everything.

[Theo Von]

And does y'all have a chain on it?

[Big X the Plug]

No, no, she's. She's horrible. She's bad.

[Theo Von]

So, like, really?

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Can you even pet her or. Nuh.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. Nah, you can pet her or whatnot, but she just. If she don't know you, she gonna go crazy.

[Theo Von]

Oh, God.

[Big X the Plug]

But once you. Once she smell you and she good.

[Theo Von]

And you locked in, Ida wouldn't even risk it. See, I get scared getting high around dangerous animals. That's one of my big things, you know. I would have sometimes trouble smoking with the brothers when I was young because a lot of them would bring a dog with them. And if we got high, it just made me too nervous, man. I had to get out of my own car and leave everybody in there one time.

[Big X the Plug]

Damn.

[Theo Von]

Cause I couldn't handle it.

[Big X the Plug]

Well, you might wanna stay away from that weed in Montana.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, Yeah, I stay off that native stuff, man. Thank you so much for joining us, bro.

[Big X the Plug]

For sure. It's a blessing to be here.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Congratulations on all your success, man.

[Big X the Plug]

So appreciate you.

[Theo Von]

It's exciting. Yeah. I love listening to your. Your songs. Like the. But they all had this beginning that kind of creates this. Like, it almost feels like it's a start of a movie. It's like before, like, you come in with the lyrics. It's like there's this. Each one has, like this ambiance that gets going. Who makes that? How do y'all make that choice? Like, how does that happen?

[Big X the Plug]

But I just. I've been with the same producer for about two, three years now. Band play. Tony Coles. And so we kind of just know each other's, like, souls at this point. And so they just, you know, they go based off of what they feel like I would mess with in a song. And then they go from there. Tony, pick out the sample, man. Play through the 808s, all the beatings on it. And it just go. They know I, like, I'm a build up person. So that beginning, that's my build up.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. It almost feel kind of romantic in the beginning.

[Big X the Plug]

Somewhat get you in the mood, get you ready and make you want to hear what I'm about to say.

[Theo Von]

The video with the skydiving, did y'all really skydive in it?

[Big X the Plug]

No, I would never skydive in my life.

[Theo Von]

Really? Oh, you could go down quick.

[Big X the Plug]

Bungee jump. I'm one of those people who believe in, like. I just feel like I would have a heart attack before I got. You know, I would faint or something. So now I can't pull my string. So I just rather not do it. I just rather not do it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know why some people do it. I wonder if they have a lot of. Yeah, the video. That was so tough, man. How did y'all shoot it, though? Did you guys have, like, a fake chopper or something?

[Big X the Plug]

A fake plane, A lot of air and great acting.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

Anybody want me in the movie? There you go.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you could be in, like, a paratrooper movie, man.

[Big X the Plug]

It don't look like I fail that fast. It actually, like, I feel in a.

[Theo Von]

At a decent rate.

[Big X the Plug]

There you go. There it went. I would drop fast right then.

[Theo Von]

It did seem like you were. Because I was kind of. When I was watching that, because usually if people are really flying, you see, like, their cheeks going like that. And I was like, man, it seemed like he's kind of going at a casual speed. But that's when you know you got. When you got a vibe, bro. When you can skydive at a casual speed, when you can do it your own way.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

What's happening in Texas, man?

[Big X the Plug]

Uh, still hot. Uh.

[Theo Von]

How has your life changed over there? Like, even in the past two years, probably.

[Big X the Plug]

I mean, for me, it hasn't really changed. I still do the same daily stuff I would do if I was home.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

But of course, it's. Everybody know me now. So now instead of going to Walmart, I now have to do curbside pickups now, you know, it's just stuff like that. But as far as me and my home and my family, ain't nothing really changed. We still. Everybody kick it when we can, you know? If not, I'm at home with my kids, chilling, you know, nothing too major. I'm as basic as I get, you know, I don't treat myself like a superstar or nothing like that. So is it.

[Theo Von]

Does it feel overwhelming sometimes with people knowing you as much? Is it sometimes a little bit? Like, what is it like? Does it feel kind of, like, alarming sometimes? Does it feel like what you thought it would feel like? Cause it's. A lot of people don't get to. To have that much popularity, right? So it's interesting when it does happen to somebody, because it's just a rare thing, right?

[Big X the Plug]

I mean, as far as, like, I was popular in school, but then it's like after that era faded out, I started doing stuff that it's like you kind of don't want people to know, like, to know who you are. And now it's like, I gotta let people get this close to me before I know if they're a friend or foe. So of course it bothered me. But, I mean, it come with the job, so I just Gotta keep big guys like him around me, so.

[Theo Von]

Yes, sir. Yeah, yeah, That's a good choice there. And, yeah. Is it more dangerous? Because I think, like, it's funny sometimes if you're just like a regular guy, nobody will try to shoot you. But then when you're a rapper, people try to shoot you.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, yeah, you definitely. It's just a lot of, you know, just like, it's God in the world, it's devil, you know, it's the devil, too, man. You know, the paths that some people decide to take is not always the right one. So, you know, you just gotta kind of be prepared for it. Yeah, you're a target. Because everybody feel like you got all this money, all of this. People don't even know. Like, so a lot of these major artists, all they have is that chain and their watch. They don't got no money, you know, so you just did what you did for a chain and a watch. Me, I try to treat everybody as equal. So, like, when a person walk up on me, I'm gonna give you that picture. I'm gonna talk to you as if you're a normal person. Cause that's what makes somebody wanna get you when you. Nah, I'm good. You know, that's what. When you show them that separation, that's.

[Theo Von]

When they want what you get when you're too fancy.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. For rappers, it just feels like. It just feels a little bit more dangerous. I feel like, you know, like, do you have to keep, like, a EMT with, like, do your people know CPR in your team and stuff like that? Or what? Is it like.

[Big X the Plug]

I ain't gonna lie, fellas. If we get to that point, don't y'all put y'all lips on me. Don't y'all put y'all lips on me. Y'all find the nearest woman and y'all teach. Y'all teach her how to do it. But don't y'all put y'all lips on me.

[Theo Von]

You gonna have some girl sitting there watching a YouTube video.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, yeah. I can't. No, I can't go through that.

[Theo Von]

So, bro, you ain't gonna feel it, bro. You gonna be just.

[Big X the Plug]

But when I come to, that's a question you gotta ask. You know, when you come to and you say, what happened? There's gonna be that guy that's in the back of the room, like, you know, and I don't wanna deal with that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's true. You gonna have to look him in the eyes.

[Big X the Plug]

You guy, you have To. And you don't know whether to say thank you or let's fight.

[Theo Von]

Hey, chill, bro.

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Hey, next time, ask first, and then.

[Big X the Plug]

My partner's so funny that they ain't gonna do nothing. Make a joke about it. I almost died, and y'all talking about some. But y'all kiss, though.

[Theo Von]

Y'all kiss, you know, so you alive, but you a little zesty.

[Big X the Plug]

Now, just find the nearest woman. Find the nearest woman for me. I don't care how old she is. Just find the nearest woman, please.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's what I just wonder. I think I would keep. If I was in the rapper, I would have somebody, bow and arrow, somebody with a couple choppers on them. Everything, Dracos, everything. Guns.

[Big X the Plug]

Ninja thing, bro.

[Theo Von]

Magic, metal, ninja stars, all of that, boy.

[Big X the Plug]

I mean, you just, you know, you just pray for the best acts.

[Theo Von]

I would have everything, bro. I'd have somebody just walking around, look like they were in one of those video games where they have all the weapons behind them like that.

[Big X the Plug]

Like, when they get ready to go to war, they pack all of the weapons, but then they don't use none of them. Yeah, I know.

[Theo Von]

Well, even cops now, they got so many things on them. They got a taser, they got a gun. They got us a slingshot. They got a pepper spray. They got a fucking, you know, a thing of marbles. They got all kind of shit on them, bro. You'll see.

[Big X the Plug]

They got a. I've never seen an officer with a bag of marbles, but they got.

[Theo Von]

They got so many things now, bro. He got a camera. He get. They got a little spatula, you know, a thing of just breath, man. He's just shooting Mentos at people, you know, they got. I don't even. I couldn't even imagine running around with all that stuff on me now.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. Nah. Yeah, they do. They gotta chase people there and A lot. Yeah, that's crazy. On top of the vest that's already here.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. They're built like a 7 11. And they gotta run around and chase everybody down. It's too much.

[Big X the Plug]

Everybody would get away from me if I was the police. I'll catch you eventually, you know.

[Theo Von]

Hey, I'll catch you in the future.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. Now let me see you again. Cause I could. I wouldn't, you know.

[Theo Von]

Did you. What was like, a first job that you had?

[Big X the Plug]

Man, my first ever job was Taco Cabela. I was 16. I was getting paid 7. I was supposed to get paid 725. But when I started working my first day, he said 725? No. You're too good of a worker. I pay you 750.

[Theo Von]

Really?

[Big X the Plug]

And I just thought I was that guy. 750. That was my first ever check. My first check was, like, $200. Two weeks work, bro.

[Theo Von]

When you got that first check, it was nice, huh?

[Big X the Plug]

No, I was so upset. It was like two, three hundred dollars. Two weeks of work? Yeah. I was so mad, but I kept going. I kept going.

[Theo Von]

And how long were you in over there at Cabana?

[Big X the Plug]

Maybe like a month. Maybe a month and a half.

[Theo Von]

Damn. You didn't keep going at all.

[Big X the Plug]

I've never had a job over four or five months.

[Theo Von]

Really? What was it about it, you think? Did y'all have some, like, was it contractual issues? What was the deal of it?

[Big X the Plug]

As bad as it sounds, it's just something about somebody telling me what to do. You know what I'm saying? Especially in that aspect. It's like you're not even the big dog. You work for them, just like I work for them and you sitting here telling me what to do. Exactly. I just always felt like I watched my mom and my pops growing up. They was out. They were entrepreneurs, so they, you know, they was their own bosses. And here I am working at Taco Cabela, getting paid 750 when I would rather be my own boss.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

So I think that's probably me Having that first job is probably what made me start wanting to do stuff, to just be my own entity, my own boss. Because that was horrible. Having somebody telling you when to come in, telling you what to do at the job. I just. I couldn't do it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And was any of the food pretty good, or was it like.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, yeah. They used to have this little. I don't even know what the bowl is called, but it's like a bowl shell. Like, it's a bowl, but it's like the bowl is a shell, and inside of that, you got, like, your meats, your guacamole, your rice, beans.

[Theo Von]

I like all that.

[Big X the Plug]

You can just crush the bowl. Exactly. Hey, whoever's doing that is doing a great job.

[Theo Von]

Oh, we about to pay that dude 750 an hour, I'll tell you that.

[Big X the Plug]

I could.

[Theo Von]

Better we keep it him.

[Big X the Plug]

Get a new job. Get a new job. Got better bowl.

[Theo Von]

God, that's like a little magic hat or something. Filled with a down. A little Thanksgiving and a little Mexican Thanksgiving in there.

[Big X the Plug]

That was my. Every time I would leave work, that's what I was taking with me.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

Cabana bowl.

[Theo Von]

And what y'all had dessert choices up there, too.

[Big X the Plug]

Sopapillas. Oh, yeah, sopapillas.

[Theo Von]

God, bro. With ice cream with them.

[Big X the Plug]

Not ice cream, but, like, it's some little icing at their head.

[Theo Von]

I love those, but.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. Sopa Piazza. That was my first time ever having a sopa pia was at that job. It's my favorite thing to make there. Yeah, you just gotta drop it in some grease, come out like the little perfect little square thing, dip it in the sauce. You good?

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. And y'all could smoke on the job. Was that allowed or not?

[Big X the Plug]

No. And this was. I was a football player at that time, so I wasn't really just smoking. I ain't really. I was. I was on the whole smoke other stuff. See, whenever I had jobs is when I was kind of, like, on a different path. Whenever I didn't have a job, it was a different path. I was trying to be my own boss at that time.

[Theo Von]

So what was. You said one of your folks, they had their own business. What work? What was their business? They had.

[Big X the Plug]

I mean, it wasn't nothing that you could, like, write off on your taxes, you know, you could do taxes and whatnot, you know, but. Yeah, yeah. And they paid the bills. They got the bills paid.

[Theo Von]

Nobody fell out of W9.

[Big X the Plug]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But the bills was paid. It was clothes on my back and, you know, it was a roof over my head, so I can't complain. Play the B. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Not at all, man. Do your par. Are your parents still married or.

[Big X the Plug]

No, no, they was broke up before I even came out the womb.

[Theo Von]

Oh, wow.

[Big X the Plug]

But, you know, they still good friends. They. They both helped take care of me, got made me the man I am today, so. I mean, it worked out for me.

[Theo Von]

When. What. When you had. Because you have how many children you said you have one daughter.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, I got a. I have a newborn little girl. She's about to be eight months. And I got a little boy. He's about to be six.

[Theo Von]

Nice.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I think I saw in one of your videos, maybe. Yeah. Oh, that's cool.

[Big X the Plug]

That's my dog right there.

[Theo Von]

Is he. Is he cool?

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. What does he like to do?

[Big X the Plug]

Cause havoc. So my little boy got autism, so he just. He's just real. He's him, you know, like, he's the one. He'll sit here and be quiet one moment, and then the next moment he trying to take something from you and run around with it. He just. He a character, man. He is only entity within itself. Yeah. Carter. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, he's handsome guy, just like his daddy. What if he has so autism? Does he have, like. Is it almost really interesting having a child with autism? Because it almost seems like it's more of a complex relationship.

[Big X the Plug]

So they're actually. Actually some of the smartest kids in the world. Smartest people in the world.

[Theo Von]

Elon Musk had all those guys out autism, the guys that are making all the machine machinery. Now you gotta have autism to even get a damn job at some of these joints.

[Big X the Plug]

So, like with him, it's more like of his speech. Like, I could tell him, turn on the tv. I can ask him what you wanna watch. You can point it out. It's just his speech. Like, his words are all the way to. But if you tell him I love you, he'll say, I love you. Like, he can repeat anything you say, Whether it's good or bad, he can repeat it. It's just like he can't put it all together himself. You know what I'm saying? But he's as normal as could be. He's smart as. I don't know what. Any kid that can. That knows how to jump a fence. You see what I'm saying? To go get in the pool. That knows how to say, I wanna go to dad's house. And then when he gets to Dad's house, say pool. Like, I only came here for the pool. That's the only reason I came. He knows how to get in. I done had to put thumbprint codes on my pantries. Cause when he. With his mommy, he's like, a lot of organic foods. And, you know, when you come to that house, you got the good snacks.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

So now he know how to get in my pantry and climb up to. Yeah, Carter is a character. But that's my dog, man. That's my dog.

[Theo Von]

Were you scared about having children when you was going to have them? Like, because I, you know, I would like to have children. I don't have any yet, but I would like to have some. But sometimes I'm like, man, is it just going to be such a big change? You know?

[Big X the Plug]

I mean, you got to. You got to. You got to leave a legacy. You got to. I've always wanted to. I grew up in big families, like, so on my dad's side, whenever we did Christmas together, everybody was spending the night at grandma house. Everybody was like, my granny got. I got what, one, two, three. My granny got five kids. My dad got six kids. You know what I'm saying? So it's just big over There on my mom's side, everybody just got kids. So I just grew up in big family, so I knew I always wanted a big family. I didn't think I was gonna start as early as I did, but I really feel like I'm doing better. Cause my mom and my dad, they was. My mom was 15, my dad. You see what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

So, yeah, a lot of we had in our. Yeah. In our town, a lot of the young, a lot of the sisters, they got a little bit pregnant early.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

You didn't even. We didn't even know. We thought a lot of them just got kind of thick or whatever, like one summer or whatever. And then we were like, damn, every body stick all of a sudden.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, everybody got that baby.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And everybody had a. Then they all had a baby. Yeah, they had a lot of them babies in our area. Yeah, I think that would be the wild thing. Dude. So were you already rapping when you. When you had your son?

[Big X the Plug]

No.

[Theo Von]

Wow. So was it kind of nervous like how I'm gonna take care of him or. It wasn't like it was.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, I was. I was sleeping. I was at my granny house sleeping on the couch. I had just got a job at ups.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah. And they got good benefits over there?

[Big X the Plug]

No, not unless you're a manager or like something to that sort or you gotta work there a certain amount of time. It's not good. It's not good. But yeah, I had just. I was staying in Austin, Texas, whenever I went to school, got kicked out of school. I went to stay to Austin, Texas with the mother of Carter and I went to jail. Got out where she was staying at, I wasn't supposed to go to no more like the.

[Theo Von]

Oh, you had a restraining order.

[Big X the Plug]

I had a restraining order from the apartment complex. Cause what I had did was in the apartment complex.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Big X the Plug]

So when I got out, we did what we did the one last time. I left to go back to Dallas. She called me three months later telling me that she was pregnant.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Big X the Plug]

Like I said, I'm asleep on the couch at my granny house and I'm all I can tell it was. I bet I'm finna move you out here. I'm on somebody couch right now. You can come sleep on this couch with me. But I'm gonna get us right.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

She came. I think she slept on the couch with me maybe two, three weeks. And then I had a sub apartment. It wasn't no furniture the first week or two.

[Theo Von]

We slept on each other lap.

[Big X the Plug]

What so on a pallet, on the floor, I'd be the chair.

[Theo Von]

You be the chair. Take turns.

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly. And so. But we made it. We made it work, so.

[Theo Von]

Wow. That's wild. Man. That takes some commitment, huh?

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. Yeah. That's why she's forever taken care of. We not even together now. She got. She got everything she could think of. You know what I'm saying? Times 10.

[Theo Von]

So you have a lot of respect for her, it sounds like.

[Big X the Plug]

For sure. For sure. If it wasn't for her, I probably wouldn't be here.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

And that's just me being honest.

[Theo Von]

What, did you go to jail? Did you say you went to jail? What did you go to jail for? Well, how about this? What were the holidays like in jail?

[Big X the Plug]

What holiday did I spend in jail? Did I spend the holiday? I think I spent. No idea. I spent Thanksgiving in jail.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah? What's it like? Do people get up early? Is there anything special, like, on that?

[Big X the Plug]

You know what? Now that I think about it, though, I was in solitary confinement, though, for that Thanksgiving, so. Boom. No, no, no. Yeah, I was. I was. Yeah, I was. So it was just a bunch of screaming from door to door.

[Theo Von]

Would you just hear people voices? Do people at least sing like a.

[Big X the Plug]

I mean, you got. There's people that sit there. That's actually crazy. You know what I'm saying? So they actually do scream and do all that stuff, and. Easy.

[Theo Von]

But they scream anything special, like. Cause it's Thanksgiving. That's what I'm wondering.

[Big X the Plug]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was screaming something special on the day I got out. It was a Tuesday. Like, the day I was supposed to go to court. It was a Tuesday.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

So when I woke up to take my shower, I was just. I was singing Tuesday, Tuesday. Like, if you ever seen Norby, he was in the shower knowing that he had to go to the water park with. That's exactly how it was. And everybody that was in that room was just dying, laughing.

[Theo Von]

It's a happy day.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, it was a happy day.

[Theo Von]

Wow. So, yeah, Thanksgiving. What about Halloween? Were you in there?

[Big X the Plug]

No, Halloween. I was out.

[Theo Von]

Thanksgiving. Yeah. So do y'all get a special meal or. Like, is there any.

[Big X the Plug]

I mean, yeah, they give you a little scoop of dressing and that, but it's just not the same as.

[Theo Von]

Do y'all go around the table and, like, say what you're thankful for, anything like that?

[Big X the Plug]

Nah, I doubt that's how it went. You see? There you go.

[Theo Von]

Oh, who are those guys?

[Big X the Plug]

I don't know them. Oh, I don't know them.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Look, I mean, it definitely. Yeah, it seems. Yeah, I guess it wouldn't be the best. Like, it wouldn't be the best.

[Big X the Plug]

Like, really holidays. Holidays in jail, I feel like they're not really celebrated because that's the time where everybody wish that they was with their family. You know what I'm saying? So that's when everybody. It's kind of intense. Cause everybody is upset. Everybody wanna be with their kids, their moms, their. You know what I'm saying? So everybody just kind of try to get through the day.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's a good point. I've thought about that. You kind of almost pretend like it's not that day exactly. Did they have, like, a lot of gay activity in jail? Did you see any of it or you hear about it sometimes on the Internet?

[Big X the Plug]

There was one gay experience for me in jail, and it was an older dude that had. He was in there from stealing a bunch of wood from Home Depot.

[Theo Von]

Damn. Probably gonna build him a little gay hut.

[Big X the Plug]

I don't know. But he had been in there. He had been in there. I don't think nobody knew that he was like that or whatever, but you could tell he had been down a lot. Like, he had went to jail a bunch of times.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

And there was a. There was a guy that came in there that was a dentist, but he was a member of the LGBTQ community.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Big X the Plug]

And he came in with nothing, though. Like, he was from. This is right.

[Theo Von]

When he was a dentist.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, but he was illegal dentist. You see what I'm saying? Like, so he knew how to do teeth, but he didn't have.

[Theo Von]

He didn't have a storefront or the.

[Big X the Plug]

Paperwork or anything, you know what I'm saying? Exactly. He just knew how to do. But he was from Mexico. This is when they were. This is when the whole ICE situation was going on, and they were catching a bunch of the illegals and sending them back. And so my pal was a bunch of illegals, and he was one of the illegals, but he just happened to be a part of the lgbt, you know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

Right. He was a gay gentleman, but he also. He did dental. He did dental, and he would do dental in the.

[Big X the Plug]

No, no, no. That's how he got arrested. When he got pulled over, he had a bunch of dentist equipment and dentist stuff in his trunk, and he just. There was no license.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. So that's what got him. But then on top of that, like I said, he was illegal. Yeah. But, yeah, he didn't have nothing. And the og, the old school, he had some stuff and so he just basically took care of him and he had to take care of him.

[Theo Von]

So it was just kind of like a prison, kind of a love story.

[Big X the Plug]

Almost exactly. We weren't even in prison. It was just in jail. But that. Yeah, that kind of. That messed me up, though. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. So not. But even then, at least you get to see somebody having some romance. I guess that was almost.

[Big X the Plug]

I didn't see anything.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Or you get to. Or I guess it's. Yeah, I don't know.

[Big X the Plug]

I didn't see anything. I just, you know, you kind of put.

[Theo Von]

You start to put two and two together, but I bet some people get a little bit envious. Like, at least he got somebody, you.

[Big X the Plug]

Know, I mean, I. Hey, man, I don't know. I didn't think that way.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I just, you know, me neither, dude.

[Big X the Plug]

I just.

[Theo Von]

But if. Yeah, but that's. Love is love, though.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

If people are in for a long time, I could see how if somebody's in for a long time and they're not going to get out, they say I'm just going to have to figure this out over here and call.

[Big X the Plug]

I mean, if you in jail for. If you're in prison for the rest of your life. No, I can't even say that. Cause then that insinuates that if I was to ever go to prison for the rest of my life, then I. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. We're here now.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. Happy Thanksgiving.

[Big X the Plug]

Happy Thanksgiving.

[Theo Von]

Wow. Man. Yeah. I guess I wonder what the holidays are like in there and stuff like that. But is there anything that you missed? Wait, what's the difference between jail and prison?

[Big X the Plug]

I've never been to prison, so I can't really tell you how. How bad prison get, but from what I've heard, it's just. I mean, you gotta. It's. See jail, you possibly going home. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can go home. Prison, you know, you there for a little bit. So that's when it's more hostile, it's more gangs, it's more. You know what I'm saying? That's where that stuff takes a play in, like the gang wars and then the racial stuff. That stuff is real in prison.

[Theo Von]

I hate all that.

[Big X the Plug]

Some people say that the feds is better than prison just because after strength is for one. I guess a lot more people with money there, so. And it's just a lot more stuff. They're like tablets, you know, I mean, everybody got tablets now. Even in, even in prison they got tablets. Yeah, but it's just, you know, saying.

[Theo Von]

For a while, swings, recess type shit, outdoor stuff, that's.

[Big X the Plug]

I've never been to prison. I've never been to the Fed, so I don't know, I'm just going off of what I've been told. But I know if jail suck, prison gotta be worse and the feds gotta be worse than that. Damn, you know, so it's just like. But if I ever go down and do some time, I'd rather go to the feds because they just look like they're not free, but they're freer. You know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

A little more relaxed.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I don't know if I'm gonna ever go to prison or not. I mean, overall, I would hope I didn't, but don't fucking try me.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[Theo Von]

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[Big X the Plug]

So remember I told you I was in solitary confinement for Thanksgiving. I had missed my son first birthday being in jail. And so when I got out, I knew I never wanted to work a real job, obviously. And on top of that, when I got out, I just couldn't do what I was doing no more. Like, all the street activity I was doing. I had made a promise to my son that, like, you'll never not see your dad again. I'd never miss another birthday. I'd never miss another anything. Even though I kinda told a story. Cause here I am here, and he's in Texas, you know what I'm saying? But this is me doing what I gotta do to benefit him, you know what I'm saying? So. But yeah, yeah. So I got out, made the promises to him, and so I just had to figure it out. I had a. He's not my artist, but he also, my cousin was just, you know, a good friend at the time. He just was like. He been rapping since he was nine years old.

[Theo Von]

He was your real cousin?

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Big X the Plug]

And so he had been telling me forever, you need to rap. You need to rap. Because we would do like little freestyle sessions and whatnot, and I would freestyle, and it'll be a group of us, but he'll just look at me and be like, bro, you need to rap for real. But I'm like, bro, you been rapping since nine years old and you ain't blew up yet. Why would I do that?

[Theo Von]

You know, I'm not gonna listen to you.

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly. But whenever I got out and I just really didn't have nothing else, you know what I'm saying? Like, without saying that, I was really trying to live up to that promise that I made to my son. So whenever he was like rap, I was like, all right, bet. And I tried. It did maybe like three songs. I liked the. I like the feedback I got from. You know what I'm saying? Just from our friend group. And it went past that to just people that we knew from school. Then it went from that to people that we didn't know. And so I was just like, okay, just doing something.

[Theo Von]

So you just gave it to friends first. Was it even like close friends or do you have enough confidence? You're like, all right, I'm gonna put this. I'm gonna.

[Big X the Plug]

I mean, of course, I just. I didn't even know how to drop music. Ro told me distrokid, so I just went through distrokid. But like I said, when I was dropping them, I was just telling my immediate friend group. But then when I started noticing that I was getting tags and stuff from people that I didn't know.

[Theo Von]

That's wild, huh?

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. I was like, okay, this is doing a little something. It's doing a little something. Then just to walk around my own city and everybody know me. I go in any club, everybody knew me. I was like, all right, this is really. It's really happening.

[Theo Von]

It's crazy.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. Then I got my first. I got my first deal in, like, in six months. My first distribution deal. Under six months. So once that happened, I just went from there. I just. I seen I had made a little bag off of it. Cause I done touched a lot of money in my life, but I ain't never touched nothing. Like, I've never had a hundred thousand dollars sitting in my hand at one point in time.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

And when I did that distribution deal, I had that. And so I was like, me doing something non illegal. I just touched $100,000 at one time.

[Theo Von]

You must have been like, dang, this is it.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. And then like three months later, I was broke.

[Theo Von]

Did we get a water slide or something?

[Big X the Plug]

No, I just was, you know, doing for everybody.

[Theo Von]

Everybody buy some wild shit when they get a little bit of money now they'll tell you.

[Big X the Plug]

I didn't even. I didn't have no big chains. I didn't even want no chain to this day. I wouldn't have this chain if. If they wouldn't tell me, bro, you got an image that you gotta uphold. You the biggest rapper in Texas. You can't. But I don't. I never cared about none of that at first. I kinda got addicted. After I start paying for.

[Theo Von]

You get some nice carpet or whatever, you get a rug, a nice table, you start buying all kind of shit lamps Exactly.

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Silverware with your name on it.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. Yeah. So with my name on it. It's crazy, but nah. Yeah. So I had the smallest chains I just was doing for people around me. I go in the mall, I couldn't even find nothing for me to wear in the mall. I would go to the mall to buy shoes and just tell my friends, hey, I get whatever y'all want. You know what I'm saying? Like, my mama, anytime she would ask for anything, giving it to my pops, anything. I was just doing it. You know what I'm saying? And then I looked up one day, and I was down to, like, $25,000. I was like, oh, shit.

[Theo Von]

It was fast, too. And you gotta pay taxes. You don't even think about that.

[Big X the Plug]

I didn't think about none of that. I didn't think about none of that. And so I just. I really just put my foot down and grind it, and I got it all back. And then next thing I know, that Hunting went to. I just. We went crazy after that, you know? So all independent. So all my money come to me. Hell, yeah, we did good.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's the same. We work for ourselves here, too. It's inspiring. I see a lot of guys out there like that Lil Russell, you ever see him?

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He go crazy, bro.

[Theo Von]

His bars are good, man. And he's so, like, inspirational. He's got this whole thing, man. He does half the shit in his back. He already. He's sewing half the sweaters himself that he's slanging, man. He puts it together. He's really inspiring. I like watching him. Do you see that Trump thing that happened with. The guy made the joke yesterday?

[Big X the Plug]

I have not been in the debate situation at all, actually.

[Theo Von]

Well, this is a comedian. They just had him in yesterday. This is Tony Hinchcliffe. He's a friend of mine. And he just said they put him up at the. At Madison Square Gardens last night in New York City. They put him up to speak, and then this was a joke that he told. It's just. Everybody's going crazy about it today. Like, I don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. Yeah, I think it's called Puerto Rico. Okay, so that's the joke he told right at, like, a Madison Square Garden rally, I guess. So people are up in arms about it because a lot of people are Puerto Rican in New York.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. Yeah, that was. That was. Yeah, that was a very crazy statement.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that seemed like a unique choice to me. But I don't know. I've made some poor choices, but I haven't made that one, that's for sure.

[Big X the Plug]

I think we've all made a poor choice once before.

[Theo Von]

I've made a ton. Do you feel like Texas rocks with Trump, or do you feel like. Are you a political guy?

[Big X the Plug]

I'm not a political guy. I just listen. I keep my head down. I make the money that I can make, how I can make it as long as I can keep taking care of my kids. I don't care about what, you know, anything. Hey, we gotta go to war. We gotta go to war. We don't. We don't. You just gotta be ready for whatever. Come.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, so you'll be a paratrooper. Dude looking at that video of yours. We'll send you in.

[Big X the Plug]

And I feel like I'm to the point now where they wouldn't even ask me, you know, like, if the world was to end. You know how, like, in all the world ending movies, there's always, like, those two ships or two boats. I think I've made it to get on one of those now. Like, I'm on the list. Right? They're gonna keep you exactly, like, plus two.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

So.

[Theo Von]

And you have to bring your children, probably.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, obviously. Obviously. Or do. Or do I bring two women so.

[Theo Von]

That I can repopulate start More children?

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, one kid.

[Theo Von]

One woman and the other kids.

[Big X the Plug]

No, no, I gotta take both my kids. I gotta take both my kids.

[Theo Von]

That's the best answer to end on, I think, for that. Yeah, People bet on it now. Two people betting on the election. They. Have you ever seen this? So this. Cause a lot of it is. It's like, well, where's people's money at? Cause that's where they're really. That's where you follow the money everywhere. Everywhere. That's where you really learn things. I find. And they have. Kelsey, this is a website where people bet on the election, and it's. Yeah, Trump's at 62% now there, and Kamala is at 38%. What else do they have on there? Trevin, if you can bring something up. Oh, how many number one songs this year on Billboard? But you can bet on all. All types of stuff. Grammy nominations for album of the year. Who's that? Cowboy Carter. Casey has 93%. Casey Musgraves, Chris Stapleton. Will Big X win a Grammy? Right? You could bet on that. You could bet on anything, you know, and they probably have some of it. On there. But what is he at right now? What's it at right now? Go back. Oh, it's Trump. 62%. And the money that's been bet, $86 million.

[Big X the Plug]

That's crazy.

[Theo Von]

That's crazy, bro.

[Big X the Plug]

That is so crazy.

[Theo Von]

Like, as your life is kind of taking some new turns, you've had new opportunities. Have you. Have there been any new mentors that have come into your life or, like, people that you start to see, like, this person, I feel something that they're doing is interesting or I could learn from it and that you kind of have created relationships with, yet.

[Big X the Plug]

I keep my head down. I mean, I just recently did an interview with the million dollars worth of Gang Wallow and Gilly.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I saw some of it, but.

[Big X the Plug]

I mean, I don't really. I don't know. I'm not a big industry person, man. I'm not gonna lie to you. I don't like. I keep relationships that are meant to be kept, like, you know, that I'm not. I'm not gonna overextend myself. It just got to be genuine. And a lot of this stuff is not genuine.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yes, it works.

[Big X the Plug]

I just. I just kind of stay to myself. I don't know. I feel like if I. If anything, my biggest mentor is, like, my son, you know, I'm saying just because I feel like you go through everything you going through, and you still. You get up and you smile every day.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

Even though you might not know what's going on, you just, you know, you get up and smile every day, not even knowing. You know what I'm saying? So.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Big X the Plug]

I have to say my. Him. Yeah. Everybody else. I feel like. I don't know. I did everything that I've done to get here. I feel like I do it on my own, like, so ain't nobody.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you don't need. I guess in industry, you don't. Yeah. Maybe you're your own mentor. That's interesting. Your son could be your mentor in a way, because it really is. A mentor is just kind of a source of inspiration. Kind of.

[Big X the Plug]

No, for sure. Because these days, I don't want to get up, and I don't want to do none of this. You know what I'm saying? But if my son can get up every day and go to school and had a bigger smile on his face and have good days, why can I not, you know?

[Theo Von]

So do you. You ever listen to Jelly Roll? You ever met Jelly Roll, man?

[Big X the Plug]

I've never met him, but I've heard. I've Heard that. He loves me, man. I love jelly roll. I got.

[Theo Von]

Y'all would make a sick. Y'all can put together. I don't know if you do that kind of stuff. You. You have some collabs, right? Yeah, bro. He's. He's the One of the most genuine dudes.

[Big X the Plug]

I'm actually. I'm supposed to be doing a country tape next. And he supposed to be on it, yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Theo Von]

So who else will be on it, you think? Shabuzi, maybe.

[Big X the Plug]

Shabuzi for sure. That's. That's. That's my dog. I think I got an unread text from him right now. My phone. I just texted.

[Theo Von]

What's he like? I got to sit near him at a. We went to a women's basketball ball game. Don't tell anybody. So we went and. But it was the Las Vegas aces.

[Big X the Plug]

Wait, 29. I had no idea Shabuzi was 29. You're old, buddy. You. You. You're old. You're old. I thought he was my age. Shabuzi, 29.

[Theo Von]

He A damn adult.

[Big X the Plug]

I didn't know he was a tourist, though. His birthday, two days before mine.

[Theo Von]

Oh, he's a damn Taurus as well.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. But now he's like, I told you, it's not a lot of genuine stuff in this industry. And him and Ellie Choppa. It's just as far as rappers. That's really just it. But they most genuine guys, man. I can call in Ellie Chopper right now. He just called me the other day and thanked me, because whenever he transitioned to that, if I was a bad. Like, he was on the way to go to Rolling Loud. Cause the first time he performed it was at a Rolling Loud. I had just left Rolling Loud. So we had the same hotel. We had already done a song before then, but we was chopping it up. And in the back, you could hear the song playing. Like he had somebody in the back specifically holding a speaker to play that song. And, you know, a lot of people just didn't really understand what he had going. They didn't see where. I didn't even see the vision.

[Theo Von]

He's set.

[Big X the Plug]

But I just knew, you know what I'm saying, at the end of the day, as long as you comfortable with doing what you're doing and you know your reasons behind doing what you're doing, and why not do it like you young. At the end of the day, they doing all this other crazy stuff why you can't do it. And so he just basically thanked me the other day for Just, you know, basically accepting, you know what I'm saying, what he had going. Basically believing in what he had going. And like, I said, that's my God, man. I gotta get him on.

[Theo Von]

He just reached out and said, thank you.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. I swear I was getting my haircut at my house. He called me. He was in Tokyo. He was in Japan.

[Theo Von]

They getting him over there.

[Big X the Plug]

I guess it was broad daylight.

[Theo Von]

They love everything.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, it was broad daylight where he was and it was dark where I was. You know what I'm saying? He was just calling me. He had just got out the shower. He was like, yeah, man, I just wanna let you know I appreciate you. I thank you. But, yeah, Shabuza. That's my dog. I was just with him in New York. I was finna try to bring him out to the show today, but he in LA now, so.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, he's all over. Yeah. We sat next to each other at a game. It was pretty good. Watching the Vegas Aces is good, man.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. I gotta go see a. I gotta go see a women's basketball game. I feel like it's more intense.

[Theo Von]

I can relate to their games. Cause I can't dunk. They can't dunk.

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly. Exactly. I feel that.

[Theo Von]

So every time they trying to dunk and they can. That's Ryan.

[Big X the Plug]

You feel it? Yeah, I feel it. I feel it.

[Theo Von]

I'm like. I got. I know what these women are going through.

[Big X the Plug]

I actually can dunk. My manager just didn't get footage of it.

[Theo Von]

Really?

[Big X the Plug]

Cause he, you know, he almost got fired that day as well. But I was just recently shooting a prize piece commercial. Big shout out to Prize Peaks, and I dunked the ball.

[Theo Von]

He really.

[Big X the Plug]

I'm lying.

[Theo Von]

We won't. We won't say what he said.

[Big X the Plug]

No, he said, I'm not lying.

[Theo Von]

You're not lying?

[Big X the Plug]

I dug the ball. Wow.

[Theo Von]

Really?

[Big X the Plug]

They don't believe it.

[Theo Von]

No, I believe it.

[Big X the Plug]

This is why you needed the footage.

[Theo Von]

I believe it. I believe in crazy. This is why you needed the footage. So that's all I'm saying.

[Big X the Plug]

Was there. Freddy Marco was there. They all.

[Theo Von]

Wait, was sketch there too?

[Big X the Plug]

Yes.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Sketching. Drew Ski was there.

[Big X the Plug]

Yes, sir.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. How was that? I heard it was good. It was all for prize picks.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, it was long, but we got the drop right there, bro. Yeah, I seen it before. I said that. So, yeah, now they're all great guys, man. Everybody's just genuinely funny. From Spice Adams. That guy's hilarious.

[Theo Von]

Spice Adams. I don't know him.

[Big X the Plug]

That's the. Bring him up. Yeah, bring him up. There you go.

[Theo Von]

Let me get a look at him. Spice Adams.

[Big X the Plug]

He's a chef. No, he does like the old basketball. When you see him.

[Theo Von]

Oh, wait, did he do the. That's Anthony Adams, but he goes by.

[Big X the Plug]

He goes by Spice.

[Theo Von]

He goes by Spice now.

[Big X the Plug]

Well, that's his basketball.

[Theo Von]

Anthony Anderson, actually, for a second.

[Big X the Plug]

I think that's a movie artist or something.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it is. Anthony Adams. Spice.

[Big X the Plug]

You gotta pull up, like, one of his clips. Like the. One of the basketball clips.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Let's see if you can get one of them.

[Big X the Plug]

I didn't even know he played professional football.

[Theo Von]

Me neither. Hell, I didn't even know he ex. I didn't know who he was. Spice Adams.

[Big X the Plug]

Go to the video. Down to the right. Far right. Right there. This is.

[Theo Von]

Oh, dang, bro.

[Big X the Plug]

We tried.

[Theo Von]

We tried. Spice. Oh, there he is.

[Big X the Plug]

He was a funny guy. Come on now. You didn't do that now, did you?

[Theo Von]

Who was he doing? Mike Apps?

[Big X the Plug]

Nah, he's just saying, this is how old. This is how old the guys laugh. How old is laughing? Glucose mama jokes. What? Like what? Oh, no. But yeah, he a character, man. Drew Ski. Everybody. Everybody know Drewski a character.

[Theo Von]

Drewski's the best, man. I did a. Me and Drew Ski did a fake movie. There's like a fake movie like that we made. This shit was messed up. So the family is called the Diggers is their last name, right? Drew Ski wrote it.

[Big X the Plug]

Okay?

[Theo Von]

So we're at the. One of them, the dad dies. It's Drewski and his sister. They own. They're inheriting a funeral parlor. And then I'm married to Drewski's sister, okay? And so I'm getting part of the funeral parlor, okay. And they're not happy about it. But anyway, we're at the fourth of funeral of the dad, the guy that died. And the last name is. His name was Nathan. Digger, Right. And so I had to make a speech in front of all these people, and it was like, man, I don't know if I can say this right now, but I was like, man, this is the best digger we ever had in the whole world. Right? And it was a room full of black folks who didn't. I didn't know any of them. And Drewski and them are in the back just howling, bro. And I'm just having to keep. I had to do it like 15 times.

[Big X the Plug]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Finally I was like, man, I can't do this.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, it would've got awkward after a while.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, bro. Right in.

[Big X the Plug]

Even if I know that you're saying this other word after like the seventh time, it start to sound like the other word, you know?

[Theo Von]

Dude, it was. Yeah, it got really scary even for a little while. But they. It was Drew Ski's hilarious dude. The video where he gets out of prison, that's demon home. You see.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, the demon.

[Theo Von]

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[Big X the Plug]

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[Theo Von]

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[Big X the Plug]

Lot of people would have to go before me. Like, you would have, like, a group of people. Like, not the astronauts that, like, you would have. Cause they said they're supposed to be building a hotel up there or something.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

Somebody gotta go stay in that hotel for a week and come back safely. And they gotta check all their blood, you know, their vitals. And if everything good. I go on, like, the third or fourth group trip. You know what I'm saying? I go on that. I would.

[Theo Von]

That'd be wild. If you were out there.

[Big X the Plug]

It would. Because I would be lighter.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

That's really where I want to go.

[Theo Von]

Lean with it, Rock with it, boy.

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly. I would mix. I would. I have so many captions when I come back, man. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I wonder if you could write different bars if you were in space. Cause it would affect you differently.

[Big X the Plug]

My mental. Right.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

I can't say nothing about standing on business. Cause I'm floating on business. I see what you're saying. That'd be hard. We got. I gotta do. We gotta get. Gotta get us some space, man.

[Theo Von]

First album written in space. That'd be tough.

[Big X the Plug]

I'm on some Soulja Boy stuff now. First. First rapper to write an album in space.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I wonder, man. Big X. Tra. Terrestrial. You could meet an alien out there. Do a lot of you believe in aliens? Do you believe in aliens, my friend?

[Big X the Plug]

I don't know.

[Theo Von]

Cause you gotta think, man. They got a lot of space out there, man.

[Big X the Plug]

They do. Do I believe that there is another, like, planet out there with life on it? Of course. I think so. Aliens. I think they might look just like us.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

I think they might look just like us. They might just speak different and. Yeah. Yeah. I ain't gonna say. They just look like. You know. I'm not gonna say that. But. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Like a Teletubby or something.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. They might look like. Yeah, I'm not gonna do that. But they might look like the guy with the ears. Yeah, him. Down there. Down there. Right there. They might look like that.

[Theo Von]

Oh, damn. He looked like he cut his own hair. That guy cuts his Own hair, man.

[Big X the Plug]

Maybe. What if they don't have to cut their hair? That's just how their hair naturally.

[Theo Von]

They just snap and it falls off how they want it to be. Wow.

[Big X the Plug]

This is. This is as alien as it'll get for me.

[Theo Von]

Dude, we used to have a bus driver. He cut everybody's hair. He was the barber in our town. So like once a month he'd pull a bus over $2. Everybody get cut up.

[Big X the Plug]

$2. I don't know. I don't know if I want that haircut.

[Theo Von]

Oh, it wasn't a great cut, but it's the only cut they had, man.

[Big X the Plug]

But it's like, what can you give for $2?

[Theo Von]

I mean, you get what you get.

[Big X the Plug]

He was just sitting a bowling out here to just. Just cutting around it.

[Theo Von]

Well, he could do it off a site. He didn't need a, you know, a dishware or nothing, but he could. He, he, he, he, he, he did it.

[Big X the Plug]

He didn't have that much faith in himself, though. Cause $2, that's. You get $2, that don't even get you no dip. That don't get you nothing.

[Theo Von]

But this was, man. This was 25 years ago, though. Two. 22 years ago. Okay.

[Big X the Plug]

Okay.

[Theo Von]

So he had. Yeah, he really. I thought he did a pretty good job, but he pulled that bus over. Bam. Everybody.

[Big X the Plug]

How old are you?

[Theo Von]

I'm 44.

[Big X the Plug]

Really?

[Theo Von]

I'm an adult, man. I'm gonna die soon.

[Big X the Plug]

I'm an adult, man. You look good.

[Theo Von]

It's the end. Thanks, man. I feel good, but I'm just getting older. I gotta get a wife soon.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, you don't have to.

[Theo Von]

I know.

[Big X the Plug]

You don't have to.

[Theo Von]

You don't think, man.

[Big X the Plug]

It's like part of me for, like this. I don't know, man. I got two women right now, and I just feel like I probably would be better with none right now, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

You know? Cause it's just like, as you get. As it get better, it get worse.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. But there's something also admirable about a guy that's able to make that work though, too. I think if I see that and a guy's able to make it work, that he's able to take care of his wife or ex wife or. I feel like there's almost something a little bit admirable about it.

[Big X the Plug]

I struggle every day. I struggle every day. They see it every day. I struggle. But, you know, I feel like it's making me a better person. Cause now I feel like the past me didn't know how to treat women. Now that I got a daughter, it made me want to treat women better. And it would happen right when I have two women. So now I'm treating them both like queens, obviously. But it get to a point where, you know, that's another. That's another combo. Look at everybody starting listening and.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's another convo, man. That's something else, bro.

[Big X the Plug]

Definitely take. Take as much time as you need. Cause once you get married, it's a rap. You there, It's a rap. My dad just told me he finna propose to his girlfriend on the Dallas date on stage.

[Theo Von]

Uh, and what song you gonna play? A special song for him if she says yes.

[Big X the Plug]

I mean, he's the voice on Texas, so I'll probably just play Texas. First off, will you marry me?

[Theo Von]

Dang. If you got to meet some aliens, what songs would you play for me, you think? Mm, yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

Mm. I'm from Texas. And.

[Theo Von]

And what about some other artists?

[Big X the Plug]

The biggest. The largest. Yeah, I would play that for them. They would like that.

[Theo Von]

But if they pull up with a big ass, large ass alien, you're gonna have some competition though.

[Big X the Plug]

He gonna like the song, though. He gonna like the song. That's all I know. But I definitely will play. Gotta play some Lil Wayne. I would play.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude, you gotta play some Lil Wayne. We used to live not far from Juvenile and he chased a woman down the street one night in our neighborhood.

[Big X the Plug]

Oh, Jesus. We just gonna say she did something wrong.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I'm assuming she did. Yeah. And we can probably take that out. I don't want to hurt the guy's feelings. I don't know if that's still pending either. What? Yeah, I'm trying to think of what else. Man, you've had so much success this year. Do you start to feel about different goals or you just stay. You just kind of stay in the pocket you're in? Like, what do you feel like? Do you feel a responsibility to keep up with your own success now? Because that's interesting. Once you start to have some success, you almost set the bar for yourself without even realizing it. Right? You just are trying to achieve some goals, but then you set a bar kind of.

[Big X the Plug]

I mean, like I said, I didn't come in this one to be the best rapper ever. I didn't even want to be a rapper. It was just something I had to do, something to take care of my child. And so, like, it's just to the point where it's like, as long as I'm taking care of my child, I'm good. I still don't feel like I'm treating this as the NFL, because like I said, I wanted to. I thought I was going to be a football player. The NFL stands for not for long. So I gave myself five years in this. I tell them every day, man, I can't wait to retire in this rap. And they be like, yeah, you got like 10 more years. And I'd be like, no, I got two. And they be like, no, I'm like, yeah, I only got two. Cause after that, I'm just. I feel like movies, you know, like, I'm just setting myself up for other things to bring more revenue to my family. Like, when I'm gone, my kids gonna be serious. They ain't gotta do nothing. But it's gonna. Like I've. I'm gon have. I'm been done so much, like, as far as music, movies, commercials, voiceovers, whatever, you know what I'm saying? That is going to make them want to do something. You know what I'm saying? Man, my dad did all of this. I got to go do this. I got to do something to make my own name. I want my kids to want their own name. So it's like everything that I'm doing right now, I'm basically doing it to make it hard on them.

[Theo Von]

I see what you're saying. Cause if they're as competitive, if they have that competitive spirit.

[Big X the Plug]

And I know that's in me. Cause it got passed down from my dad, my brother. It's all. It's just. I know, I know that's.

[Theo Von]

That's gonna be there.

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

And so when they. When they. When they nice and ready, I just know they gonna. They gonna put their best foot forward and they gonna figure it out. But if they don't, they got pals of cash to sit on if they don't, you know.

[Theo Von]

So what about a Christmas album, man? You gonna do something like that for everybody?

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, I did do a Christmas song one time where I feel like it went crazy. I just dropped it at the wrong time.

[Theo Von]

When did you drop it, in the summer?

[Big X the Plug]

No, it was cold. It was cold. I actually dropped right around Christmas. It just was earlier in my career, so, like when I had less eyes, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

But it's. I think it's over a million something right now. Now that I've become who I've become.

[Theo Von]

Maybe it could pick up then this year.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, yeah, I think we got 1.5 a year ago.

[Theo Von]

And would you ever do a mall Santa or something like that like for children or for charity would.

[Big X the Plug]

Oh, that's actually a great idea.

[Theo Von]

That'd be sick, bro.

[Big X the Plug]

It's a great idea.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude, if you got to be a mall Santa, that would be pretty good. Um, yeah. I don't know if we can listen to it or not because we'll have to. It'll get claimed or whatever. What's your show like, man? What's the show like? I might pull up tonight.

[Big X the Plug]

You should. You should. Now it's more like now. At first my shows were just like turning a lot of dancing people shaking.

[Theo Von]

A towel and all that.

[Big X the Plug]

Shaking a towel.

[Theo Von]

There's always that one guy that's just. Who? The towel guy or whatever like on the rap stages is that one dude. And he just.

[Big X the Plug]

Oh, you talking about like a hype man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

I guess Roey is my hype man.

[Theo Von]

It's good though. You gotta have him.

[Big X the Plug]

No, but nice. We're more like put together like. I don't know what it is. Me and Ro, we've been performing together since my first ever performance. He was on stage with me, so I don't know. It's just the chemistry is there. We know everything that we done put together, it just happened. It wasn't nothing that we said. Like, we just for the first time did rehearsals before this tour. And we done did three tours before. Like my tour, Kevin Gay's tour, Key Clock tour. We never rehearsed nothing. It was just. We went on stage and it just happened. Wow. So now we finally rehearsing it. So I just feel like that made it like now he come out on stage in a FedEx uniform, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's crazy. We just put more to it. But yeah, yeah, it's just. You should come. I'm gonna come to see a big guy my size move the way I move. And to. You wouldn't even think that it was an hour set. I do an hour sets. And he wouldn't. If I wasn't sweating so bad, you wouldn't even know I was tired. I don't know. It's just kind of like second nature to us now. Then we always. We were football players. So he done always been under the lights, you know what I'm saying? And so I don't know that just. It just make you want to put on more of a show.

[Theo Von]

Do you have some ballads in there too? Some love songs like that?

[Big X the Plug]

I guess I used to, but now like. So the Take Care tour is basically. I mean, it's off of the album, you know, it's based off the album. And my album wasn't more of a. It wasn't a turn up album. It wasn't a For the women album. It was just me speaking on me in this industry, you know, speaking on me in the now. And so, like, now I feel like my shows are more, like, personal. Like, a lot of people that come to my shows now, they come in because they felt the same way.

[Theo Von]

They feel the same way.

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

And so, like, I did it myself. I've been doubted, and I still believed enough in myself to get things.

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly. So now I speak, like, now I perform with what the thing called that you set the mic on? Mic stand.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

My father. I had a brain fart. My father. But, yeah. So now I come out, mike stand. Like, I show you my intro. Now you be like, okay, yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. If you can put my Instagram up, you actually can see it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, let's pull it up. And I'm gonna come see tonight, man. And we'll see you.

[Big X the Plug]

Make sure y'all follow me at Big X the plug.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. Wow, bro. That's so exciting, man. It's really awesome to see all your. To see just. You have so many neat opportunities.

[Big X the Plug]

That first one right there. There you go. Shout out to my cameraman, Trey. Sold, man. Wow.

[Theo Von]

I should have rapped, bro. Damn. I should have.

[Big X the Plug]

He said he should have ra. That's crazy.

[Theo Von]

I should have got in. I had a little bit of a chance, but I didn't.

[Big X the Plug]

But, hey, it happens. It was. If you ask me, this is the easiest thing I've ever done in my life. No, Cap, if it wasn't for all the extra stuff that come with it, this is the easiest money I've ever made in my life. Cause I don't. It's different when you gotta lie and make up stuff. Cause now that's a whole nother process you gotta do.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

But when you just talking about what you've done, what you've went through, like, that's just coming out. That's coming off my head. I don't gotta think, oh, what would sound like, you know, so I don't have to do that.

[Theo Von]

Well, if you're staying true to your own life, then you don't have to manipulate anything.

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly. And it's just so much easier. You can go in the studio, you can. You basically writing a story about yourself. Yeah, it's easy, man.

[Theo Von]

That's a great. It's interesting. I think people can understand what you're talking about, too. They can. They can. You just communicate so well that I think it just. It reaches a lot of people, you know? X, congrats on all the success, man.

[Big X the Plug]

Appreciate you being here.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, congrats on the tour.

[Big X the Plug]

Album out now, man. Y'all make sure I keep running that take care of. We got. We only three days in the tour. We still got 29 more dates.

[Theo Von]

And a lot of these are sold out by now.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah, a lot. Yes. A lot of these are sold out. So y'all try to get in. Where y'all. I can fit in, huh? Oh, definitely get those meet and greets.

[Theo Von]

Oh, do people. Yeah. How do you guys do that after the shows?

[Big X the Plug]

I try to do them before the show because after I'm all sweaty and.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

So I like to do it before, but I don't know, I also feel like after it's more like, genuine. You know what I'm saying? Before, I feel like it's me. It's just kind of like trying to get it. And this is coming from. This is me being honest about me.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

Before, it's kind of just feel like it's like I'm going through the, like, oh, soundcheck, then meet and greet. But after the show, it's like, it's just more genuine. Cause you tired and it's just the real you now.

[Theo Von]

Right? You've had the show already.

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

And they've gotten to see it, too.

[Big X the Plug]

Exactly, exactly. So it's like whenever they come up, like, I had a guy, a grown man last night walk up on me and tell me, bro, I love you. I appreciate you because of what you got going. You helped me. I love you. Told me he loved me twice, you know, so it's like, that's real love. Before, if we would've did the meet and greet before, he wouldn't have went through the show.

[Theo Von]

He said, I might love you.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, great job. If you would've got. But he listened to the show. He listened to the lyrics, and.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, after that, the energy's been there. There's been that connection. I think a lot of people, you don't think about it from their perspective, though. They're just excited to get to see you. Some people, it's like you wanna hear their music, but also I think you just wanna be in the same building as them. And I think that's some of the energy that you have, I think.

[Big X the Plug]

Oh, for sure.

[Theo Von]

Some people, it's just their song. Yeah. I want to go listen for their songs. I Don't know if I really have a sense of them as a person, but to me, it feels like. And it's just my thoughts that there's something else where people like, oh, I also want to be in the same room as him. I just, you know, I feel like it's.

[Big X the Plug]

And it's different when you got. Like, when you're actual. Like, when you're genuine. Like, it's you, humble. It's. You know, it's just you. It's actually you. It's not.

[Theo Von]

No, right.

[Big X the Plug]

You know what I'm saying? When you just taking a picture, getting them out the way. No, you enjoyed the show. How did you like the show? What was your favorite part of the show? Appreciate you coming out, man. People love that. They make them feel like you're their person and you're a person. You know what I'm saying? When you taking the picture and moving them on out the way, that just make it seem like you're a robot. Like the machine is running you.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. And these days, that's. Some of the best artists is just everything that's outside of the machine. The machine's dirty, man.

[Big X the Plug]

That's why I feel like everything that.

[Theo Von]

We doing right now is you're doing it yourself.

[Big X the Plug]

Historic. Cause it's all us. We're doing it completely independent.

[Theo Von]

Who's your team? I mean, I know a lot of them right here, but just.

[Big X the Plug]

Okay, so I got a distribution deal through United Masters.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Big X the Plug]

So they don't do nothing but distribute my music. I mean, they gave me a small marketing budget. You know what I'm saying? Nothing too major. Like a major label. They pay for everything, you know? Like this tour I paid for out of my pocket. Like, the bus. $200,000 on the bus.

[Theo Von]

I know, dude. That bus is damn expensive. I take the whole bus.

[Big X the Plug]

Wait, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Greyhound was $60. $60 to get to Rochester.

[Big X the Plug]

That's smart.

[Theo Von]

Or FedEx. You mail yourself overnight.

[Big X the Plug]

Not different, man. I don't, but I just feel like. I don't know. I'm kind of glad we did the bus, though, because, you know, it's just.

[Theo Von]

No, you have to do it.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You have to. It's hard to start to spend that money on yourself. Like, we tool with comedy. We just got back from Montana or some different places, but it's like you just. Because at a certain point, you're investing this in your own. You have to be comfortable. You can't show up like, you're, like, rattled, you know? It's like. Because you have to put the show on.

[Big X the Plug]

No, you're right. You're right.

[Theo Von]

Not trying to preach at you. I just. I tried to nickel and dime. We fucking was on motorbikes one time. We was on all kind of shit. Trying to save money. Funny man. We had a camper. We had all kind of.

[Big X the Plug]

Nah, for sure now. Yeah. I mean, this was cheaper than flying everybody everywhere, so.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Big X the Plug]

And we just. I just. I went through the Sprinter experience and I just couldn't do that again.

[Theo Von]

It's hard.

[Big X the Plug]

Hey, man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, we did all that van Sprinter.

[Big X the Plug]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And then finally, you just have to make sure you're comfortable enough to show up.

[Big X the Plug]

Yep.

[Theo Von]

Wow. Well, what a journey. Big X. Thanks for just letting us enjoy your music, man. I love. Yeah. Just how humble you are, man. And just. Yeah. People to people, man. That's all. That's all we all are really doing, you know, take care, tour and you can get. The album you get, you still have. If it's sold out, there may still be meet and greet tickets available, for sure. And I know you're just going to keep adding more dates, man. You're gonna be a busy man.

[Big X the Plug]

Yes, sir. We working. We working.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I'm glad I got to catch you today, man.

[Big X the Plug]

Yes, sir. I appreciate you for having me. All right.

[Theo Von]

Blessings.

[Big X the Plug]

Floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone oh but when I reach that ground I'll share this piece of mind I found I can feel it in my bones but it's gonna take a little.