E549 Koe Wetzel

Summary

Podcast Summary: This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von – Episode E549 featuring Cody Wetzel

Release Date: December 10, 2024

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1. Introduction and Tour Updates

Theo Von kicks off the episode by sharing his upcoming tour dates across various cities in the United States and Canada. He expresses gratitude to his fans for their unwavering support and introduces new merchandise available on his store. The introduction sets a festive tone as Theo extends holiday wishes to his audience.

Notable Quotes:

• Theo Von [00:00]: "Get all your [e-mail] to thank you so much for your support."
• Theo Von [00:00]: "Happy Holidays to everyone."

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2. Meeting Cody Wetzel and Discussing Personal Struggles

Theo introduces his guest, Cody Wetzel, a prominent figure in country music known for his candidness. The conversation begins with both hosts humorously contemplating whether Theo deserves to be alive, delving into feelings of burnout and the pressures of maintaining personal and professional relationships.

Notable Quotes:

• Theo Von [00:00]: "I shouldn't be allowed to be alive. You ever feel like that?"
• Cody Wetzel [02:19]: "One of those days."

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3. Cody Wetzel’s Musical Journey and Album “Nine Lives”

Cody discusses the success of his new album, "Nine Lives," highlighting its blend of country, rock, and grunge influences. He emphasizes the hard work and over a decade of dedication that led to his recent breakthrough, countering the notion of overnight success.

Notable Quotes:

• Theo Von [03:37]: "Congrats on the new album, dude."
• Cody Wetzel [04:02]: "We haven't really veered off from the shit we've been doing our whole career."

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4. Touring Experiences and Evolution

The conversation shifts to touring, where Cody shares anecdotes about playing in unconventional venues like VFWs that mysteriously burned down shortly after their performances. He reflects on the growth from playing small local spots to performing in large arenas internationally, noting the expansion of his fan base beyond Texas.

Notable Quotes:

• Cody Wetzel [05:05]: "We have to figure out where this dude is."
• Theo Von [07:52]: "We got to play these crazy arenas and stuff."

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5. Opening and Managing “Riot Room” Bar in Texas

Cody reveals his venture into the hospitality industry with the opening of "Riot Room," a honky-tonk and club hybrid in Fort Worth, Texas. He discusses the challenges and rewards of running a bar, including the logistics of hosting both daytime diners and nighttime club-goers. Plans for expanding to a second location in Houston are also shared.

Notable Quotes:

• Cody Wetzel [79:14]: "It's kind of like a Texas club, I guess."
• Theo Von [79:53]: "Riot Room. That's so cool, dude."

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6. Life on Tour and Personal Growth

Both hosts delve into the fast-paced nature of touring and the personal growth that accompanies it. Cody talks about the importance of balancing being surrounded by people with finding alone time to relax and reset. They reflect on the fleeting nature of memorable moments and the continuous evolution required in the music industry.

Notable Quotes:

• Cody Wetzel [77:09]: "I'm always surrounded around people and stuff, but I like to have the time to myself."
• Theo Von [72:08]: "It's kind of weird how even, like, you could be dreaming or hoping about something, and it's like the most important thing in the world, and then it comes. It comes and it's gone."

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7. Future Plans and Upcoming Releases

Looking ahead, Cody shares insights into his upcoming Christmas EP, "Wetzel's Wonderland Chapter 2," and hints at new projects and surprises for the audience. He emphasizes the importance of authenticity and staying true to oneself amidst growing fame and expanding responsibilities.

Notable Quotes:

• Cody Wetzel [70:44]: "We have it coming out here in a couple days, I guess."
• Theo Von [87:26]: "They have to figure out their own road and just kind of being a trailblazer pretty much."

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8. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Theo and Cody exchange heartfelt congratulations and express mutual appreciation for each other's journeys. They discuss the challenges of evolving as artists while maintaining genuine connections with their fan bases. The conversation concludes on a positive note, highlighting the importance of resilience and continuous growth.

Notable Quotes:

• Theo Von [87:07]: "Congratulations, dude. Appreciate it."
• Cody Wetzel [87:26]: "Yeah, not all overnight. We'll just keep easing into it."

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Conclusion

In this engaging episode of "This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von," Cody Wetzel opens up about his tumultuous yet rewarding journey in the music industry. From overcoming personal struggles and evolving his musical style to expanding his influence beyond Texas with major tours and entrepreneurial ventures, Cody provides listeners with an authentic glimpse into his life. The episode underscores themes of resilience, authenticity, and the relentless pursuit of passion, making it a must-listen for fans and newcomers alike.

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Notable Highlights:

• Tour Evolution: Transitioning from small venues to international arenas ([07:15]–[08:18]).
• Burning Bridges Anecdote: Cody’s experiences with venues burning down post-performance ([04:20]–[05:28]).
• "Nine Lives" Album Insights: The creative process and personal growth behind the album ([17:14]–[20:16]).
• Opening "Riot Room": Navigating the challenges of opening and expanding a bar ([79:14]–[80:43]).

Transcript

[Theo Von]

I have some new tour dates to let you know about. I'll be in East Lansing. I'll be in Toledo, Ohio. Rama, Ontario, in The Canada, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Eugene, Oregon, Kennewick, Washington, Seattle, Washington, Victoria, B.C. in the Canada, College Station, Texas, Belton, Texas, San Antonio, Durant, Amarillo, Oxford, Mississippi. How did he. Fayetteville, Arkansas, Tuscaloosa, Alabama rolled and Tallahassee, Florida Rosemont, Illinois, Winnipeg and Calgary in the Canada. Get all your [e-mail] to thank you so much for your support. And thank you to the fellow in Montana that gave me this jacket. Got some Indian artifacts on the back and just want to say thank you. I really like this jacket. We've also got some new merch, some new gang gang tees in pepper and ivory, and we've got a new gang gang hat that giggity. Check those out and [e-mail] Happy Holidays to everyone. Today's guest has never been afraid to speak his mind. He has been a staple in country music and in Texas lore for many years. He's having a great year right now with his new album, nine Lives. It's country, it's rock, it's grunge. It's him. He's got a new Christmas ep, Wetzel's Wonderland Chapter 2 out now. And I'm just grateful to spend time today and to catch up with him. Today's guest is Mr. C.O. wetzel. I shouldn't be allowed to be alive. You ever feel like that? You ever feel like that? Really, dude? I mean, I should not be allowed to be alive, dude. I just kind of.

[Cody Wetzel]

One of those days. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You ever just burned so many bridges down you can't even take a step? You burn. It's not even bridges you burn down, just regular flooring.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. Ceiling. Everything. Carpet.

[Theo Von]

I mean, I'll just turn a wreck. Just everything's a chimney when I come around someday when I'm like that.

[Cody Wetzel]

You want those beers or honey or anything?

[Theo Von]

Oh, we can have whatever you want.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, I'll. If you don't mind a couple of those bush.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I'm just. Damn. It's just, you know. Yeah, everything's fine. It just went, you know, if I get in a. You know, you think it's.

[Cody Wetzel]

It's kind of like with the holidays and coming up too, or it doesn't help. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

[Theo Von]

And there's a lot of little things to do and suddenly a lot of just feeling like. Of low responsibilities and then everything kind of adds up. Yeah. And then if I. Yeah. And I start turning. I'll just turn into just a. You know, I get too focused on what I need to get done. Sometimes I just got to hit a. A meeting or something. Or drink a damn eight ball. Dude, if. Dude, I'm glad they didn't come down with eight ball. The beverage or whatever.

[Cody Wetzel]

I think it is Celsius.

[Theo Von]

I'd have been on them, man. Co Wetzel, man. Congrats on the new album, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

I appreciate it.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Cody Wetzel]

Kind of popped off, huh?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Well, you've been working so hard, for sure. People don't. People don't think about that.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, everybody is the. Was it the overnight success? And I don't know. They don't see the 10 years. 10 plus years. You know, we've been grinding out for a while.

[Theo Von]

So at all the place you've played, every place they would allow someone to play. Really?

[Cody Wetzel]

For real, though, man. Like, we would.

[Theo Von]

I mean, you'll play. I've seen. Yeah, yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Trailers on the back of, like, semis behind chicken wire.

[Theo Von]

Oh. I've seen places where, like, tomorrow this place is getting fumigated, right? They'll already be setting up the tent around it with the bug spray in it. And it's like. But tonight, go whistle, baby.

[Cody Wetzel]

Big lights, right? We had. Dude, there was this one run that we had. It was. It was probably the third year. It's probably 2013, 14. And it was like we were playing VFWs and, like, firehouses and stuff. Well, there was like three. Three places that we played. And within two months. I don't know if it was tax reasons, reasons or what, but all of them burned down. So it was like a thing. Like, cousin's coming to town. Get your extinguishers ready, man. He's about to burn this down. Literally.

[Theo Von]

Dude, it was almost like that White Snake Memorial tour.

[Cody Wetzel]

That's how it was, man. And it was. It was kind of a joke around East Texas, but it was legit. It was always a VFW or a little cash grab or something. It was kind of a sketchy place, you know? And then you get in there and it's like, did you hear that place burned down last night? I was like, what?

[Theo Von]

Like, what do you. We just left.

[Cody Wetzel]

Like, I think we still have some drums in there, bro.

[Theo Von]

You can smell the kerosene as you pull it off down the road.

[Cody Wetzel]

They're just in the bag, just pulling wires. And I was. Electrical fire.

[Theo Von]

Oh, bro. Oh, yeah. Nothing like a good scam, I'm telling you.

[Cody Wetzel]

Nothing like it gets you out of a Pinch you talking about? Yeah, getting your day back to brighter, man. Getting a little government money, man.

[Theo Von]

Oh, we had a dude who had bought a bunch of. He made a bunch of 4th of July T shirts, right? Okay. And they didn't get in until they basically got in, like on the night before. They supposed to come in like two weeks early. And it was a business plan this guy had. And he. So on fourth of July, he's like, I got. I have basically eight or nine hours to pedal these bitches, you know? So he got. He was out there on a. With a bike with a little wagon he was pulling. Like it was supposed to have a child in it or something, but it was just full of these fourth of July shirts, and he was out there just slanging him bitches. And he only got rid of about maybe 17 of them. So he had about maybe 420 shirts left or whatever.

[Cody Wetzel]

What do you do with them?

[Theo Von]

He said, he. Here's what he did. He said he set them on fire, right? But he did it. He did it near a fireworks display, and he said that some of the fireworks had landed in him.

[Cody Wetzel]

Hey, hey, man, that's gotta respect the hustle. That's awesome.

[Theo Von]

It's a great idea, man.

[Cody Wetzel]

I bet he's got a lot. I bet he had a lot of. A lot of great ideas. I mean, maybe. Is he still around? We should hit him up.

[Theo Von]

He's an idea man. I would say that.

[Cody Wetzel]

Absolutely.

[Theo Von]

He's an idea man. Yeah, man. You're playing some different venues now, so that's kind of. That's kind of changed, huh?

[Cody Wetzel]

Has it? Yeah, I mean, we've been doing like arenas for like the last two or three years, but it's just kind of a. To a bigger scale, I guess. I mean, the. Definitely got newer fans with this record. We kind of tapped into the. The mainstream kind of side of it, I guess. You know, we've always been independent and I mean, I guess, you know, coming out of Texas, I mean, you could tour Texas year round, you know, and make a damn good living and pretty much what we've been doing. But, you know, over the last probably five years, you know, we've got out of Texas and got to play these. These crazy arenas and stuff.

[Theo Von]

Crazy.

[Cody Wetzel]

Look at that. Yeah, man, it's. It's been a while. I mean, we've been blessed. Fans have just come out of the woodworks, man, and it's cool to have people, you know, with. With the music, man, with what you. What you're telling them, man. And I don't know, it's been wild. It's. It's kind of. We've been so busy. I haven't had time to like, step back and actually look at it, you know, and, and kind of see where we're at. But it's. It's wild, man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of that energy out of Texas where it's just like that, you know, we'll figure it out. And Texas really supports their own a lot for sure. You know, it's the same with guys like Parker over the years and I mean, Texas has their own thing. They always have, you know, they support their own.

[Cody Wetzel]

Very, very proud people, man. And, you know, it's just such a cult following, you know, and we've been blessed to have those cool fan base that. That fan base for so long, you know.

[Theo Von]

And is there like co beef between like, people, you know, like new fans and old fans?

[Cody Wetzel]

Maybe, Maybe a little bit. But I mean, like I said, they're so passionate and they're so. They're so like co fans that, you know, I think they've. They've responded. I was kind of curious as to how they're going to take this new music that we put out. I mean, they came on with it. I think they dug it just, you know, because we haven't really veered off from the shit we've been doing our whole, you know, career. So.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Do you feel weird? Do you feel like, is there a part of you that feels like. Because I get like, if I have to do something that feels kind of mainstream to me sometimes it makes me fucking angry.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. Yeah, I don't, man. Not really. Just because like I said earlier, you know, I'm still doing the same shit. It's just more, I guess, on a bigger scale, kind of more, I don't know, kind of expected, you know what I mean? Like, to do all these interviews and, you know, just kind of get your story out there. So I mean, it used to be, you know, get fucked up, go play music. And that was it, you know, write music, throw down, party with everybody. And now it's kind of. All right, let's take a step back and calm everything down a little bit, you know? Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah, dude. Yeah, your tick tocks. You guys would be just up out there eating dandelions and shit or just adopting animals. I mean, you guys are doing a lot for the. For nature and everything out there.

[Cody Wetzel]

Everything, man.

[Theo Von]

Do you have to slow it down a little bit? Have you had to a Little.

[Cody Wetzel]

This tour, we definitely did. So last year's tour was the El Paso tour, and it was balls to the wall. Like, it was. It was insane, bro. It was too much. Honestly. I'm surprised my dad, but we had a couple of folks go to jail. Other than that, I mean, it was just chaos the whole time. And then this year with the damn near normal tour, they kind of like caged me a little bit. Like, so after every show, it was direct to the bus and then cop escort out. Like, they wouldn't let me go out and party and stuff, which was great. I mean, the tour was great and stuff, but I felt like they were trying to settle me down a little bit because, I mean, like I said, it's just kind of on a bigger scale than. Than anybody kind of expected it to be.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you got more responsibility the next day. You got to actually be there.

[Cody Wetzel]

And, you know, I felt a whole lot better this tour and the shows were better, in my opinion. And. But yeah, I mean, I guess it's got to grow up sometime.

[Theo Von]

It sucks, huh?

[Cody Wetzel]

It sucks, man. Sucks getting old.

[Theo Von]

It sucks having to grow up. And it's not even getting old. You can stay young and just be an old dude. And like, damn, that old dude is.

[Cody Wetzel]

I shouldn't be fom, though. Like, the fear, like, you know, like whenever it's just like you. You reminisce on all the good times. Like, damn, man, that'd be fun to do tonight, you know? We should do that tonight.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. It's nothing. Oh, dude. Going to bed early and laying there and just feeling like just even God knows you're a little bitch. That's the saddest part, dude. Getting into bed early and then you.

[Cody Wetzel]

Kind of get ready and like, start to feel a little bit bad. You're like, ah, you know what? And then you wake up next morning. I feel like whenever you wake up next morning, you're like, you know what? Good on you.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, man.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

That's a. Yeah, that's like as if you got a little oomph in your chest. Like, hey, man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, a natural ump. And not just where your heart just burned out from. Just running over time. Dude. I remember when I first met you, I was like. Because I was like. I don't know if I just like, gotten like, re sober or something at the time. Re sober is a good sober.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, that's pretty cool.

[Theo Von]

I never heard that word. I never said that word before re sobered. But I never got. And I remember I met you And I was like, I gotta be careful around that guy.

[Cody Wetzel]

Because I remember that time. That guy was at Whiskey Jam, right? Was it Whiskey Jam? Remember, losers?

[Theo Von]

It might have been with Todd. With Todd. With Todd Graves.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

That could have been the Super Bowl. Remember? Was at that.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, God, yeah.

[Theo Von]

In that suite or something.

[Cody Wetzel]

I was sober for three weeks, going up. And then, bro, we're sitting in the suite with and, like, me, Andre, have been sober or whatever, and we're like, if we can make it through super bowl weekend, dude, we are. You know, we're. We're killing it. And I'm sitting there, and Cersei from Lord of the fucking Ring or not Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones walks in. I'm like, was that Cersei? And they're like, yeah, that's one of the Jonas Brothers, too. I was like, holy shit. You know, and so.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, and you got to play that game every time you see a Jonas Brother.

[Cody Wetzel]

I was like, yeah. I was like, vodka soda, please. Like. And, dude, we got. I mean, it was like 11 in the morning, and, you know, you got all these actors and musicians and.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, they had a lot.

[Cody Wetzel]

Coach O walks in from lsu. Hey, what's. What's going on, cuz? You're doing all right? You doing all right, bro? I'm like, yeah, I'm good, man. Like, what do you think about your board now? Oh, he got it. He got it sold up. He's got it sold up.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's what Burrow was playing the Super Bowl.

[Cody Wetzel]

I was like, this dude's fucking awesome, you know?

[Theo Von]

And this dude's been eating eight balls, too.

[Cody Wetzel]

He just. And just rolling around, man. Just having a great time. And so, I mean, we hammered them all day. We get to the game, and I mean, it's just like that red carpet. People were showing up, coming in, like, dude, I can't handle this. This is too much.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, everybody was in there. Petey Pablo, I think, was in there, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

Jack Harlow, French Montana. Like, I mean, it was just one after the other. And, you know, me being from small East Texas, I was like, what the fuck?

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, that was wild.

[Cody Wetzel]

That was crazy.

[Theo Von]

There was a lot of fancy folks in there, too, dude. I wanted to fucking rob some of those fucking queers or whatever. And I don't. You can't say queers, but said, well, pretend we didn't say it, but, yeah, dude. Oh. And I just. Yeah, I was like. Because I was just trying to. I was just getting back on the grill or whatever, and I was like, I gotta.

[Cody Wetzel]

Well, I think. I think one of the times I met you, it was at Whiskey Jam, I think. And we were sitting there, each other, and we like, yeah, and fans. Fan of each other, whatever. And I remember you were like. There was a step right above me to what Muscadine Bloodline was playing. He was like, you try. You trying to go up? And I was like. I was like, yeah, dog, let's go. And I was like, you want to go to the bathroom right here? You were like, wait, what? I was like. And I had had a little in my pocket. I was like, trying to go. You. You were like, no, the step to watch. I was like, oh, oh. And I didn't know you were sober.

[Theo Von]

I remember that. Yeah. I was kind of perched up in the back, like, on a.

[Cody Wetzel]

Are you trying to get up? I'm like, hell, yeah, let's go right now. You're like, no.

[Theo Von]

Damn, brother. Well, look, I appreciate the. Hey, I do appreciate the support.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. Hey, man, I was. My bad. That was. That was on me, dude.

[Theo Von]

I want somebody to. Want to get me up, dude. I want somebody to just hold me down and just. Just. Damn. Funnel just yay, into my brain, homie. You know what I'm saying? But those are, you know, that's Christmas wishing, you know, Let me talk about, you know, so the new album's nine lives.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Right. And if you. When have you burned a couple of your lives? Like, was there a night or two over the time? Because I'm trying to think. We had. Let me think of a good night. That happened to me one time. Oh, dude. A guy overdosed or whatever one time, and people were doing CPR on him. I'm like, he doesn't need.

[Cody Wetzel]

Was anybody. Could they even do cpr?

[Theo Von]

I mean, they were just trying. His chest was already doing its own cpr. I'm like, that dude is just geeked out of his gourd, bro. You need to hit him with that, man. That's Narcaniel Johnson. You need to hit him with that.

[Cody Wetzel]

Somebody hit him with that.

[Theo Von]

Yes, we Narcan, dude. Yeah. Somebody hit him with an EpiPen. Like he had a bee sting or something. Like, this dude got stung by eight ball. This dude got stung.

[Cody Wetzel]

He's reaction, for sure.

[Theo Von]

This dude got stung by a warm Graham, and they're trying to put down Pepto Bismol in him. People are unbelievable.

[Cody Wetzel]

Hey, man, people start freaking out like that. She gets hairy. And especially if you tore up like that, you don't know what the fuck's Gonna happen. So it's kind of like, oh, everybody starts. I think I'm gonna have one myself. Y'all started doing that to me.

[Theo Von]

Oh, dude, I see somebody doing Narcan, I'll hit one. Yeah, across the room.

[Cody Wetzel]

Can I get one, please?

[Theo Von]

Do you always feel like you had to party so much? Where does that come from, you think? Is that just. Did you grow up partying?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. Not real. I mean, I never felt like I had to. It was just. Man, I like to have a good time. My whole family likes to have a good time, man. So it's just kind of whenever I got. So my parents were pretty strict with me growing up, you know, because they knew the only way I was going to get out of Pittsburgh was to, you know, on a scholarship or whatever.

[Theo Von]

And that's Pittsburgh. Texas.

[Cody Wetzel]

Texas. Yeah. And so, like, they were really strict on me. And so once I got to college, dude, it was like, balls of wall, like, no pants. You know, get to college and just hammer down, man. And it just. I don't know, I guess it kind of just snowballed and. I don't know. I can drink with the best, best of them, and I don't know. It's great. It's a great time, man. And I've slowed down a whole lot, you know, this past couple years, but I still. I still like to get out there and act up a little bit.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. Wow.

[Theo Von]

I can't believe that's. You slowed down. It's great, though. I was. I was envious of people that could party, man, because I couldn't do it. I'd get a little too rattled, and I just start chewing on the walls and, you know, I just start farming copper out of my own house, dude. You know, I get. Yeah, I couldn't handle it, dude. I call the cops on myself a bunch of times.

[Cody Wetzel]

That's pretty. That's partying, though. I mean, that's. That's hardcore, I guess. Hey, that's some partying. I don't think I've ever called the cost on myself before that. That's wild.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, dude, I'll call them bitches, huh? Oh, dude, I call the cops for anything, dude. I see. Yeah. I remember I was at a UFC fight one night, and the guys were beating each other so bad, and I fucking called the cops right there from T Mobile Arena. It was Dustin Poirier and Max Holloway were beating the shit out.

[Cody Wetzel]

I said, y'all gotta get down here quick.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I said, y'all got a male on male domestic down Here.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, my God, bro.

[Theo Von]

That's what I said. I said these guys are fighting over jewelry down here because I think Winter got the belt.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, really?

[Theo Von]

So I was like, is you got a male on Male domestic down here, buddy? You guys need to.

[Cody Wetzel]

Need to figure this out quick. Dana, what are you doing?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Why the title Nine Lives, man.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, man. It was kind of. So the record was kind of like us kind of doing a new music that we're. We're not known for. You know, usually it's the party music, the crazy rock stuff. So this was just kind of the past, the other lives that I could have lived had I not been a musician, you know, or travel down this road. So it's kind of just like a reflection on that and. I don't know, man. Just kind of one of those. One of those things.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And I read that you wrote it pretty quick. Like, when it finally hit you.

[Cody Wetzel]

Most of the songs came really quick, man. Like Gabe Simon, he always say it was like my first therapy session, I met him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cool dude. But he, like, he, like, dug into my life, like into my soul and was like bringing out shit that I normally never tell, like a stranger, you know, and he just dug into it, man. And. And it helped write the songs really fast, honestly. So. No. Yeah. I don't know, man. The songs came out great. You know, it was one of the more vulnerable. Vulnerable. Was it really made? For sure? Yeah, for sure. No, I mean, it was just like. It was more raw and real than I feel like I'd ever been playing music, so. So yeah, it was kind of like, kind of turning a new page on, you know, not leaving the party behind, but just kind of me kind of growing up type.

[Theo Von]

Damn, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

All right.

[Theo Von]

It sucks. All the good ones grow up.

[Cody Wetzel]

I know you're gonna see me. You're gonna see me in the. The jail log tomorrow. I go to the Red Door or something. Tonight.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude. A lot of the. All the good ones grow up, man. Yeah, they've had that term. Yeah. Because there's so. There's like. I mean, I love Jesse Murph. We. I've been a Jesse Murph fan since before, I should admit, as an adult male. And it was like, very strange to tell people that you were a fan.

[Cody Wetzel]

Well, she's got the soul of like a 50 year old, I feel like. Or 60 year old, 80. It's insane. I remember whenever I first heard her, I was like, wait, how old is. And this. She was probably 17, 18. And I was like, wait, what? And she's such a baller, man. Like, she walks in the room, and it's just like, her presence is so huge, and she just. And she's just this little bitty thing, dude. You know? But amazing. Amazing artist.

[Theo Von]

She's a grenade, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

Insane.

[Theo Von]

And she's got that look in her eyes, like she's just seen it all a million times.

[Cody Wetzel]

Sure. That's what I'm saying. This is, like, reincarnated, bro. She's like, yeah, she got it. She got it going on.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. She might be a refurb or whatever they call it, you know? God. Oh, God, y'all are beautiful. And I mean. And I mean both of you, too. I do want to say it like that. No. She's so talented, man. That song gets stuck in my head, too, man. That hybrid gets stuck in my head.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I'll just be doing nothing or doing something, and it'll come out of me.

[Cody Wetzel]

Where were we at? Was getting. I'm getting the iv. I'm hungover as.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

And I'm just like. I was kind of watching the football game, and I hear you coming down singing High Road. I was like, jesus Christ. Oh, man. And it was like, what were we. What were we doing? What was this stuff? Huh? The nad. Nad. Oh, yeah. You remember we were talking about it. You were, like, doing however many milligrams.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

And I was doing, like, 75 or 100. Dude, I'm over there about to die, and I just hear you coming down singing High Road. And I'm like, God, shut up, please.

[Theo Von]

Oh, man. It's just. Wow. When you get one that gets stuck in your head.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. For sure. You wake up singing it, and you can't get. Yeah, it's just all day, too.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, man.

[Theo Von]

It's. It's wild, man. What have I been watching? I was watching that JonBenet Rams. You see that stuff?

[Cody Wetzel]

I hadn't seen it. Is it on Netflix? Yeah, I saw. I haven't watched it yet.

[Theo Von]

It's like reefer rehab, Beardash, and whatever happened in the law in the past, you know? Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Is it kind of like, who did it? Are they still on that?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. The dad, though, will now be interviewed. Like, the dad is in it.

[Cody Wetzel]

Okay. Oh, no.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And the dad. I think that the dad. There's just a belief of mine. I believe that the dad had had some kind of inappropriate attraction to the child, maybe. I don't know if I can legally say that or not. This is my belief. And the Mother had been envious of that. The mother unalived. You have to say unalive now.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, really?

[Theo Von]

Unalived at the child.

[Cody Wetzel]

You can't.

[Theo Von]

You can't say the other stuff. Yeah, they'll take us down.

[Cody Wetzel]

Really.

[Theo Von]

The mother unalive the child and then they together figured out a way to the story. Right. And neither one of them could rat the other one out because they both had some connect or connection to some connection. I think he'd been appropriate. The mother got envious, put the daughter. It was in all these pageants, all this weird stuff. The mother did it on purpose or accident. And then they both had to help each other cover it up.

[Cody Wetzel]

Did she. Was she ever. She never served time or anything, did she? What's the mom.

[Theo Von]

She never served time. No, she ended up passing away. A cancer, I believe.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, no, but I don't think I'm thinking of the same.

[Theo Von]

There's another one, Casey Anthony.

[Cody Wetzel]

Casey?

[Theo Von]

She lives here. Really? Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

What?

[Theo Von]

Where does Casey Anthony live? You got to get her out to a show, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

I don't know about that one, bro. Jesus. But she. She did. Did she serve time?

[Theo Von]

I don't know. Let me see. Casey. Where's Casey Anthony now? That's a great question.

[Cody Wetzel]

No way. She's in Nashville on Broadway every night. Just. Jeez.

[Theo Von]

Leave them Broadway girls alone. That's what she's singing. Which is a little morose for her to sing. Where does it say she lives? You see anything on there? Move to Murphysboro, Tennessee.

[Cody Wetzel]

Where the. Is that?

[Theo Von]

I mean, it sounds like it's close.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yes, it's gotta be close.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Cody Wetzel]

Man, I don't.

[Theo Von]

Did they have any good big criminals in Yalls Town? Any big. Any big crime going up over there in Pittsburgh, Texas?

[Cody Wetzel]

Was there something. They said the Texas Chainsaw Massacre came through town, but, you know, who knows?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that could have just been.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, I mean, he could have been going through that could have been a.

[Theo Von]

Guy just repairing two stroke motors too.

[Cody Wetzel]

He's still living in Pittsburgh. Honestly. Honestly, probably is. I think I know who it is too. No, they said Bonnie and Clyde came through and one of the sheriffs there. I mean, Pittsburgh wasn't. I mean, it's still like 4,000 people. But they said they called him ahead of time or let them know somehow via pigeon or some shit. And they were like, hey, get the fuck out. We're coming through. If you want to. If you want to live, just get.

[Theo Von]

Out of our way. Coming.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. And they rolled through and nobody gave him just like. Because they hit out and are they.

[Theo Von]

From Dallas, I think or somewhere Bonnie and Clyde from. Let's get a look at him.

[Cody Wetzel]

Pretty sure. Oak Cliff South. Oak Cliff.

[Theo Von]

Hey, Bonnie was the looker, I think.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, she was a smoke.

[Theo Von]

Let's see, let's get a look at him. Get a look at him. Let's see images there. Bonnie and Clyde.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, did you watch that one with Emile Hirsch?

[Theo Von]

Oh, is it good?

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, dude, yeah, it's like a three part series.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I gotta watch that.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh bro, it's so good. O yeah, Bonnie back in the day, dude. You bet, bro.

[Theo Von]

If she looks good even in that picture.

[Cody Wetzel]

Cuz I think Cloud, Cloud, he was a little bitty dude too.

[Theo Von]

Oh my God. Oh, there they are.

[Cody Wetzel]

Imagine taking those pictures back in the day, dude. Like, hey, I'm going to hold this to you. Get over there with the photo. Like the picture, like.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, and. And it. Smoke comes out of it. It must have felt like Satan was doing it.

[Cody Wetzel]

It like goes off and like pull the trigger. Yeah, they fucked him up.

[Theo Von]

Look at that.

[Cody Wetzel]

That was in. That was in Paris, I think on Louisiana highway.

[Theo Von]

And they still have that car. Where was that at?

[Cody Wetzel]

I think it was in Bienville Parish.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah, it sounds about. Yeah, it is a parish over there. It's been 90 years since a posse, a lawman caught up with the outlaw couple Bonnie and Clyde. They were ambushed and killed on a north Louisiana road. But their story is still very much alive. In Gibsland, Louisiana is where it occurred at Bonnie and Claude. What kind of pieces of history? Money. And Claude, what was their biggest heist? What was Bonnie and Cloud's biggest heist? I wonder.

[Cody Wetzel]

Where are you from? Louisiana.

[Theo Von]

I'm from Covington, Louisiana. We didn't have anything Covington. Lee Harvey Oswald went to our middle school as our big thing.

[Cody Wetzel]

Damn, that's pretty big.

[Theo Von]

The gang robbed the First National bank in Stewart, Iowa in 1934. He did some kidnapping.

[Cody Wetzel]

Kidnapping? I didn't know that.

[Theo Von]

But it says kidnapping of a man and woman.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, that's not kidnapping. Yeah, that's just napping.

[Theo Von]

Just making friends, dude. And some car theft. Damn. They weren't even as bad as some of the. These Travis Scott fans. I feel like.

[Cody Wetzel]

You need to, you need to look, watch that. It's like a three part series. It's got if you like Mill Hirsch. I love Emil Hirsch.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

It'S great, man. But they kind of went through their whole. Apparently it was pretty spot on from everything, but.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that'd be. I wonder if I could do a.

[Cody Wetzel]

Good crime do you like. Like the. Like the history. Like the gangsters and stuff, like Dillinger and all that. Yeah, that's. That's up my alley, man. Baby Face, Pretty Boy Floyd and all them.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, remember. Well, they used to have that. What was that movie that had all those guys in it?

[Cody Wetzel]

Public Enemy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, that's good. A lot of good actors, dude. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I wonder if I could be a good criminal or not. What kind of crime I would do. I wouldn't do kidnappings. I don't want some dumb fucking kid around.

[Cody Wetzel]

No, that's better be annoying as.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you're like. And you have to what? Then you're like. And also you're gonna get caught. You're gonna have to go to McDonald's all the time or whatever.

[Cody Wetzel]

That's better out. We don't. Yeah. No kids.

[Theo Von]

So. Yeah, I would do something with adults, probably. Or crime. What's a good crime Train Robin would be sick.

[Cody Wetzel]

I think about that all the time. Like back in the Gap, like cowboy days, dude.

[Theo Von]

Pulling up on that thing.

[Cody Wetzel]

Just throwing up a dynamite in there and throwing it up.

[Theo Von]

And there's some rich guy just eating in the window or whatever.

[Cody Wetzel]

What the. Going on over here.

[Theo Von]

Pop one off into him. Just shoot right through his Salisbury steak or something. Next thing you know, you're in there. But then you get in there, you have to look for the money. That's got to be the worst.

[Cody Wetzel]

Somebody tell us what the. It is like a gunslinger back in the day. Man. That'd be so sick.

[Theo Von]

I know. It'd be so wild. I was just reading about a lot of hookers and stuff that were on the. Like whenever they had Gold Rush and stuff like that. Like a lot of hookers started up some big madaming and stuff out there when those. Gold Rush. Yeah. And it was pretty wild and they would. You know, they get other women to work for them and stuff like that. It's just kind of fascinating to learn about.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

But. Yeah, I wonder if I could do a good. Oh, you know, it would be a good crime, I think. Get a hot air balloon drop in that way nobody sees that coming.

[Cody Wetzel]

No, absolutely. Like first, what the fuck is happening?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. I don't know. With drones and probably. You couldn't get away with that, man. Maybe back in the Gap.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah. But yeah, drones. Yeah. Wonderful be able to travel by drone. They have that stuff now where you can kind of.

[Cody Wetzel]

I saw one the other day. It's like somebody sits in it and it's got the. The blade stuff. Look Too safe though. Like how many beers do I need for getting this thing?

[Theo Von]

Especially if your buddy gets a hold of that remote for 30 seconds, dude, he's taking you right into some power lines, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

He's done some fucked up shit to me. Let me see if you would have done the same for me, buddy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, and if you're. Especially if you're wearing like a Vols jersey or something, he just takes you around. He takes you in Athens, Georgia.

[Cody Wetzel]

That's what I'm talking about. Yes. See, that don't look safe.

[Theo Von]

Oh, hell no. That's look like something Kid Rock would buy.

[Cody Wetzel]

Kid Rock has one right now. We hear. We just.

[Theo Von]

That thing runs on probably diesel or something kerosene or just runs on some of Kid Rock's bad music too. That's what it does.

[Cody Wetzel]

Kid Rock.

[Theo Von]

Dude, every time you play ball with a ball, it takes off. I'm joking, Bob. I'm joking, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, Bob, man.

[Theo Von]

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[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, we don't. I don't like to do it, man. We haven't. Yeah, we haven't done it a whole lot, I think. We didn't have to cancel any on this tour. Oh, yeah. Festival I got sick for. And then whenever y'all, the hurricane came through, we had a cancel show. We had to reschedule. But last year during the El Paso tour, man, like I said, it was crazy. I would just get, you know, the whiskey and everything. I give up whiskey, by the way, this year I stopped drinking whiskey. Switch to tequila. But, you know, last year with the help, pass. I do it. I was just. I get to a point where I couldn't talk, you know, and I would just be giving it everything just to say a sentence or whatever. And we had to cancel a couple. And that. That sucks. So after that, dude, I was like, no more. You know, so.

[Theo Von]

And shut that whiskey down, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

As much as I love it, it's just, man, it's rough on you, man. And like, you know, I can drink tequila and not feel half as bad.

[Theo Von]

As, yeah, whiskey, but, well, your legs don't work as good in your neck.

[Cody Wetzel]

Hey, dude. Yeah, you get that, that 15 gallon head, bro? Somebody just starts swaying back and forth and like, I'll be Like a cat. Like, I hit the ground and bounce up really quick and think that nobody noticed, but I'm so big and just shake shit off the wall and be like, what the fuck is up with this guy?

[Theo Von]

Like, Chris Farley just landed on a table that's nine lives wild. Oh, they kicked out. I remember that one, actually, dude. I remember.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, yeah. And they kicked me out. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

That's fun, bro. Yeah. Your whole journey. So you guys do such a good job of sharing your journey, honestly, like on social media, dude, I feel like you guys are just really earnest about everything that happens in your world. You know, a lot of people don't really operate that way. You know, you guys are just really, I think, clear to your fans and stuff. Do you feel like. And that. I think that alone kind of keeps you away from being like a mainstream thing, you know, because you don't have a PR guy telling you this or telling you that.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, for sure. And it's like. And with the fans too. It's not like if I were to do something that's kind of like they're not gonna be shocked by it, you know, like, oh, you know, fuck over doing that. You know, it's. I mean, it's kind of been our thing from the get go is kind of be ourselves, you know, like, we're not going to change for anybody. We're not going to act like somebody that we're not, you know, So I think that's kind of been it. And, you know, people have kind of embraced us for doing that and that's kind of like, you know, puts us apart from. From other people, you know? I think.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

So, yeah. I don't know. I mean, some of it maybe wouldn't. Would rather it not be out there, but, you know, it's. It's. It's just life, man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. It's a realness and it makes. It really makes it. You. It's like that is him. It's like that is his world. And it's really the world that most people can relate to who can relate to some type of perfect, polished fucking. That's unreal.

[Cody Wetzel]

It's got to be some excitement a little bit. You know, it's got to be a little bit of excitement, a little bit of spice.

[Theo Von]

Somebody's got to go missing, you know what I'm saying?

[Cody Wetzel]

Somebody's got to go to jail. We got to figure out where this dude is.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. You guys have always kind of been in like. And kind of put in this outlaw country type of place. You Know, do you feel like there's still a lot of outlaws in the business? Do you feel like it's growing? Do you feel like it's changing? What do you think? Who were the outlaws? Who were your outlaws at first, man?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, I think there's some outlaws out there for sure. Maybe not. Maybe not that are as, you know, like, maybe as big, I would say, but there's. There's definitely some dogs out there, man. I don't know, kind of hard to. I don't know who you say as a dog out there, man. Paul Carlton. Paul Cotton is about as close to. You know who Paul Carlton is.

[Theo Von]

I've heard of it. I've heard of him.

[Cody Wetzel]

He's about as close to outlaws to get, man. He doesn't give. He doesn't give a. Dude, he's my dog. Yeah, he's a. He's a beast, man. His music's great. I mean, he lives what he writes, man. He's. He's. He's definitely an outlaw right now, man.

[Theo Von]

Gang.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I'd like to get to meet that, man.

[Cody Wetzel]

Dude, you. You've gotta. You gotta have him on, man. He is. He is his own person. And, dude, he's a. He's a legend.

[Theo Von]

He's one on one, huh?

[Cody Wetzel]

Absolutely, man. East Texas legend, for sure.

[Theo Von]

I think there's a lot of guys that still. I mean, in a weird way, there's a. There are a lot of people kind of do it their own way now because they make their own road.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Like with social media especially, and just filming your own content or behind the scenes or whatever, you. You make your own shit now. It's not like you need to have some big producer help you do it.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. Like I've said before, like, I don't think the word outlaw is what it used to be, you know, Like, I think it's. It's kind of doing what you're talking about, just going out and doing everything your own way, you know, paving your own road and just kind of being a trailblazer pretty much, you know, I think that's a Can go in to be considered as being an outlaw. Cause it's not. It's not the 80s anymore, you know, we can't get a. Can't get away with a whole lot of shit these days, man.

[Theo Von]

Everybody's a narc, dude, man. Dude, remember when they had narcs and. Dude, dude, first of all, the shittiest job you could get in high school was being a narc.

[Cody Wetzel]

Dude.

[Theo Von]

I swear, bro, they gave you a little Card. It was like, congratulations. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. And it set it on the car. And I was like, that's the one thing you can't put on the car, dude. And then that dude would, like, he would try to arrest people at a party or something.

[Cody Wetzel]

People would get away from me. School's out, bitch.

[Theo Von]

And then it would take the cops, like, three weeks. Have a meeting with the kid or whatever. And it just.

[Cody Wetzel]

The whole system, man. That's why. Yeah. I wish you go back, you think about, like, the Motley crue days, like, 80s, bro. Did you. Did you live through the 80s?

[Theo Von]

I was alive in them, but, yeah, I was small.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, yeah. You were younger, but.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I mean, you talk to guys like. Like, I remember my first concert I went to was Marilyn Manson, right? And this dude took us and. Yeah. And he was like a. I guess he was like a pedophile or whatever. We didn't know he was right. So he was just a guy we knew who was also a pedophile, but we didn't know that part. But anyway, he took us over. He's like, I get y'all tickets to Maryland Manson. We just started listening to him, dude. And I think we're probably about 14, and this dude dropped us off there. And we're the only people underage that were in there. Like, they. I think it was. It was probably an 18 show. And, like, Manson, like, cut open Twiggy Ramirez or, like, one of his. One of the other band members with a bottle. Somebody cut. One of the band members cut themselves open or cut another one open with a bottle on stage. He was, like, bleeding everywhere. The ambulance had to come.

[Cody Wetzel]

I bet y'all were like, holy.

[Theo Von]

It was awesome, dude. We're in the bathroom peeing, and somebody goes, what are these kids doing in here?

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, my God.

[Theo Von]

And then somebody else from another stall goes, don't worry, somebody will. That's what somebody said, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

The first red flag should have been this dude just getting y'all Maryland Mansion tickets, being like, oh, my God.

[Theo Von]

Richard Slangenstein.

[Cody Wetzel]

Did he go in with y'all?

[Theo Von]

No, no, no, no. He went to Gamble. Pull him up. Richard Langenstein. Pull him up. And he was just a real.

[Cody Wetzel]

He's a known pedophile.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was. He won. He hadn't won awards or whatever, but he was. Yeah, he was in the trenches or whatever.

[Cody Wetzel]

Is that him?

[Theo Von]

No. Maybe there's more than one of him.

[Cody Wetzel]

That guy weren't there with the. The father right there.

[Theo Von]

We can't show the wrong one. That guy oh, that's.

[Cody Wetzel]

That looks like.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's a. Yeah, that's a liberal. Oh, that is, dude. Yeah, that guy's a bookie. Hold on. That one guy's a bookie. Go back. Yeah, that guy's just a book. You up one. No, right. Right there. Yeah, that guy's just taking wagers on the jets. Dude, that's. Yeah. We have to take some of this out because we just accused a lot of guys being pedophiles, but no, old slang. And Stein. He wasn't bad. He was. He was what?

[Cody Wetzel]

He was slanging style.

[Theo Von]

That's what they called him. But, yeah, that was my first show. What was yours, man?

[Cody Wetzel]

First show?

[Theo Von]

You really remember?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, I mean, so my mom played. She do, like, old Opry houses and stuff like that.

[Theo Von]

So she was a singer?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, she was. She was. She sang and just played with, like, a bunch of old drunk honky tonk dudes. Right. I'd be that little shithead kid, like, running up and down the halls, throwing popcorn at people and. Yeah. So, I mean, I was. I was around music growing up, but I think my first actual concert was Stoney Larue. You ever heard of Stoney Larue?

[Theo Von]

Bring him up.

[Cody Wetzel]

He's. He's a man or woman, dude. He. He's like a. He's Red Dirt King, man. Oklahoma Cat. There he is.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Cody Wetzel]

And you need to get into his music, man. He's phenomenal. And it was at the Waco Fairgrounds. My cousins were going to Baylor. I think I was like, sixth or seventh grade maybe. And these college girls come up to him like, hey, what's going on? You know? And my cousin, her friend steps in. She's like, hey, babe, here's your beer. And, like, just trying to deter them or whatever. And I take this beer and I hammer it. And they're like, all right, whatever. She's like, what the fuck are you doing? You weren't supposed to drink that beer. I'm like. So we get back to the hotel that night, my mom beats my ass. Oh, yeah. But I'll never forget it. Yeah. Texas Moon, Stony Larue.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And is he still alive? Oh, good.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, he's got some. He's got some bangers.

[Theo Von]

That warms my heart. Dude, I just saw Struggle Jennings play. We're playing in the same town.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, really?

[Theo Von]

Pretty cool.

[Cody Wetzel]

I haven't. I hadn't met show yet.

[Theo Von]

Him and. Yeah, because he runs Jelly Roll and Yellow Wolf. That whole gang. Remember, that was really that white sort of. Yeah. That American. That sort of missing person.

[Cody Wetzel]

I like Wolf Man.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, they all that.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yellow Wolf. Oh, I used to listen to pop the trunk before football games, man, and just like.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I don't know if there is a better anthem, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

Dude, it's so good.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude, they even had. They had Jelly Roll out there. Yellow Wolf. We even saw Jelly Wolf was out there. We're like, who the is that?

[Cody Wetzel]

It's just some dude in icp.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude, it's just a. Yeah, it was Jelly Wolf. Yeah, it was just. It was a Saint Bernard with a couple face tattoos on him.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh. Driving a cyber truck.

[Theo Von]

Well, we saw a struggle, man. It was awesome to go see him. He puts on a great show. Where was it? I think I feel like it was in Montana somewhere. Where we got to go meet him backstage after. And with his crew. He's got a great group. See who's performing with him real quick. Who. Who's out there on the road with.

[Cody Wetzel]

Listen, I mean, that's another outlaw right there.

[Theo Von]

I mean, with Struggle Jennings. Yeah, he's been out there doing it, man. He's been out there doing it. Yeah. And, you know, there's something also. There's something nice about when you have a. When you're not as mainstream.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

That there's a real relationship between you and your fans.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, for sure.

[Theo Von]

Caitlin Curtis and Brianna Harness. Or Brianna Harness. I don't know if that's the newest tour or not.

[Cody Wetzel]

Is that Tom McDonald?

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, it might be.

[Cody Wetzel]

Is he the rapper?

[Theo Von]

They had a song together, I think.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. He's cold.

[Theo Von]

Oh, Tommy Vex, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

Tommy Vex.

[Theo Von]

Wow, bro. That's crazy. I know him.

[Cody Wetzel]

I know him.

[Theo Von]

That's just crazy. Well, sometimes you just. It's amazing who you see on Google of who you know.

[Cody Wetzel]

Rock music.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, he's a rock dog right there.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. There's something nice about when something is still grassroots.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, for sure.

[Theo Von]

That you feel this weird thing. It's like. It's like your thing.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. And I feel like it gives the fans, like, a more of a connection, you know, like, oh, yeah. That he's one of us. You know, like, type.

[Theo Von]

You go see him and they're like, man, he's one of us, dude. He's the same.

[Cody Wetzel]

We got one of us. We accepted one of us.

[Theo Von]

What is that?

[Cody Wetzel]

The Wolf of Wall Street? When they're sitting there, you never see that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what? He's in a wheelchair? What it. What happened?

[Cody Wetzel]

I don't know. Yeah, I think that's what I Were talking about the little people strapping them to the board.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

And sliding them down at the different times. Dude, when was that? Would have been early 90s, late 80s.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Oh, dude, if I was, if I was back then, I would have definitely been doing. I'm not going to say it out loud. I'll spell it real quick in case there's any kids listening to the cars anywhere. M U R D E R S. And that's what I would have been doing. But now they catch you. You can't even do no good crime anymore.

[Cody Wetzel]

You can't.

[Theo Von]

That's the thing. We've taken a lot of fun out of it. You can't be a train robber. You can't. The horse will ratch out.

[Cody Wetzel]

Now it's like, it's like. And it's only for like a little bit like five years at a time, 10 years at a time until it blows up. And it's like, ah, man, you missed that, you know, like.

[Theo Von]

What do you mean?

[Cody Wetzel]

I mean just like, like train Robin or like Robin or whatever or, you know, partying really hard in the 80s and then just slowing down and people part.

[Theo Von]

I just, I wonder who partied the heart. We had Tommy Lee on one time. He's a greatest dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, I'm a big Molly crew guy, so.

[Theo Von]

Bro, they were so good.

[Cody Wetzel]

Girls, girls, girls.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yes. God, dude, I can't even imagine. And he was good looking.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, that was the deal. Like they, they had, they had everything, bro.

[Theo Von]

Matching being famous and then also being good looking. Like, what a lucky guy. You know what I'm saying?

[Cody Wetzel]

I think Tommy was, he was really young too, right. Whenever all that was going on. Yeah. Imagine having all that, all that going on at 2120, bro, I wouldn't be alive.

[Theo Von]

I would not be alive.

[Cody Wetzel]

There's no way I wouldn't be alive.

[Theo Von]

Like Colombia. People from Colombia or whatever. The ambassador, they're always sending me these. Come down to Colombia. We'd love to have you down here. I guess y'all don't want me. I'm like, dude, they're like, we'll give you five free tickets to Colombia. I'm like, dude, I will.

[Cody Wetzel]

If they do holler at me, I'll.

[Theo Von]

Go, I will die down there, bro.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh my God. They said it's actually really nice to go to.

[Theo Von]

I'm sure it is, but I think it's. Yeah, I just think they want to do ransoms or whatever. That's the thing. So they try to get you down there. That and they want to do ransom. Yeah. I would not make it down there. Oh, dude, if I even grew up in Columbia, I would get an eight ball for, like, my seventh birthday and I. It would be lights out, bro.

[Cody Wetzel]

We're mainlining this for birthday.

[Theo Von]

What's the town in Texas? We got some shows coming up in Texas. We're going to Benton.

[Cody Wetzel]

Benton, Texas?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, we're going to Texas A M over there.

[Cody Wetzel]

And Nice, where we're at in College Station.

[Theo Von]

Not sure. There's a new casino in Benton.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, yep. Is it.

[Theo Von]

Oh, Belton. Sorry.

[Cody Wetzel]

Belton. Yeah, yeah, Belton.

[Theo Von]

They keep changing the name of it.

[Cody Wetzel]

Belton's out there by Waco.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, we're going over to Belton.

[Cody Wetzel]

Waco is where. So when Parker was on, he told you the story about that strip club, whatever we went to, and. Yeah, that's right outside of Waco.

[Theo Von]

Is it a good spot?

[Cody Wetzel]

No, it's the shittiest strip club in the world.

[Theo Von]

Is that the best one you've ever been to, you think?

[Cody Wetzel]

Strip club?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Absolutely not.

[Theo Von]

No.

[Cody Wetzel]

But it needed. It needed to be redecorated, I guess. I just. I gave it to him.

[Theo Von]

But who the fuck is even decorating?

[Cody Wetzel]

There was just mirrors everywhere. And I was like, man, fuck, one of these mirrors, bro. Dude, I found. I found the pictures, but he was talking about, like, us kicking holes in the drywall. And. And so somebody had found them and sent them to me. And I was like, oh, fuck, man. And it's just us kind of like pass out next to him. Chalk, like, drywall everywhere.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Cody Wetzel]

What? We had some good times.

[Theo Von]

I've been to some. I'm trying to think of one. Oh, in Shreveport, Louisiana. They had a strip club and they had a woman in there, just built like a damn senator or whatever.

[Cody Wetzel]

Is that the one or Minotaur?

[Theo Von]

Pull up. Senator. Minotaur. One of them is on Test 200, I think. I don't remember which one it is, but one of them. Which one is that? Centaur. Yeah, Centaur. This lady was centaured up. She was definitely, what is probably Larry.

[Cody Wetzel]

Flintstone, if it was in Shreveport. Larry Flint was pretty good.

[Theo Von]

This was not that good. This was. Yeah, this. Yeah. This lady looked like a damn off duty pony.

[Cody Wetzel]

She just like a Monday night.

[Theo Von]

Oh, bro. And she was on the tallest heels ever. She was trying to make herself look taller.

[Cody Wetzel]

I think she was hurt.

[Theo Von]

Them heels, bro, them bitches were. I mean, if you took. They had the little sticker on them with, like they say, on the top of a ladder, do not step right here. That was all them, dude. Oh, man, he was in him. God, it was so nerve wracking up there.

[Cody Wetzel]

You spend a lot of time. Yeah. Louisiana.

[Theo Von]

Over the years I have. I used to go to comedy clubs there. You know what's kind of sad is you go to clubs and over the years they close down.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, kind of the same. I mean, there's like, businesses really don't last a whole lot long. Like a long time over there for some reason. I don't know why. I mean, it's kind of everywhere in Louisiana, East Texas. Like, you know, unless they're established or a big chain, they just. They don't last for some reason. I don't know what it is.

[Theo Von]

That's a good point, man.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I always wanted to go to Longview. I never got.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, see, that's. Every time we went to, like the mall and somewhere nice to eat or whatever, we'd have to go to Longview to go. So. Yeah, I grew up. How far did you grow up from Shreveport?

[Theo Von]

Like, four hours.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. Okay, so you're like, middle then?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I'm a little. I'm like. I'm north of New Orleans about one hours. Okay, so our town, 4,000. About the same time as the same size as your town.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Kind of a perfect size for a town.

[Cody Wetzel]

I love it, dude.

[Theo Von]

There was nothing better, dude, because you were just. There was like two. There was enough. There was just enough people to make things interesting.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. Like, you knew everybody, but the select few. You didn't know. You kind of made up your own stories. It's kind of like. Kind of mysterious, like, I wonder what they do. Why don't they come to church? Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. We had a dude that had a. They bought him a bike and he was. He might have been mentally disabled or something, but he might not have been. Right. We don't know him and. But his bike had a baby seat on the back of it. So there was this story that, like, he had a kid that had, like gone missing or whatever, and he would always riding around. It was like a sad man whose wife had left him after the baby had been missing or whatever. And that's what people thought for years. And it was like, people would like, pray for him when he drove by or whatever and. Or give him milk money, all kind of leave pies in his yard and stuff. And then years later, we found out he's just a mentally handicapped guy and somebody gotten him a. A used bike that had a baby seat on it off the side.

[Cody Wetzel]

He Just didn't know how to take it off.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And we were like, brother, we gave that dude a lot of dessert.

[Cody Wetzel]

The prayers were used though. You know the prayer, that was good, man.

[Theo Von]

But it was so sad. He would always be like in the distance, like looking at us like when we got off the school bus. I think he just wanted. Yeah, yeah, I think it's. I think he just wanted buddies, you know.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, man, dude, that's good.

[Theo Von]

But it's so crazy. Just because of that story. We didn't know. We thought he was this sad.

[Cody Wetzel]

So you come up with all these different, you know, scenarios and stories and. And then it's kind of like it just becomes like a big fable. Like it's like, yeah. Oh man.

[Theo Von]

But you have a town that's just big enough to support that kind of. Where there's like just enough room for rumors to happen.

[Cody Wetzel]

You can't get over like the gossip all over the drama, shit like that.

[Theo Von]

And I remember when I was a kid, you would hear like an older kid's name, like he was like two years older, three or four years older. And you're like, oh, that's the toughest guy in the whole world.

[Cody Wetzel]

Don't mess with him. Yeah, he's so cool.

[Theo Von]

That was crazy. Dude. That was fun being young.

[Cody Wetzel]

It was, man. That was the best.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. You said your parents were kind of strict growing up. And were they to your siblings as well or just you?

[Cody Wetzel]

No, just me. Honestly man, like, I think you were just a bad. I. Honestly, I was kind of a little shithead growing up, man. But he's like, you know, it was kind of strict, I mean, but. But like, I mean, I was. I was always well mannered, you know. I mean, are you one of the most likable guys?

[Theo Von]

You were one of the. You were by far one of the guys anywhere. I have never heard anyone say anything uncomplimentary about Co Wetzel. Except your parents, I guess.

[Cody Wetzel]

Except for Gary. They'll just whooping the shit out of me. But no, like, I mean, I guess it's like a little kid. I was kind of a turd because, I mean, I was. I was the only kid till I was eight years old. So, you know, I didn't know better, you know. And then Presley came up and my younger sister Zoe.

[Theo Von]

But why'd they wait eight years do you think? Any word on that?

[Cody Wetzel]

I don't know, man. I have no idea. That's rare.

[Theo Von]

Kind of.

[Cody Wetzel]

After. Well, yeah, whatever happened, I was like, fuck, bro. Like this. Yeah. Yeah. Because yeah, they wanted. Yeah, for sure. But, yeah, I don't know. They were super strict on me. And then my middle sister. I mean, not really. And then Zoe K. They just let her run ragged, bro.

[Theo Von]

Is she all right?

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, she's a sweetheart. She's. She's an angel, man.

[Theo Von]

She's married. Or not.

[Cody Wetzel]

Not married. Super smart. Yeah, she's almost done with college.

[Theo Von]

Oh, God.

[Cody Wetzel]

I gotta get to be one of the first Wetzels to graduate college. So. Shout out ZK let's get a picture of her.

[Theo Von]

Zoe.

[Cody Wetzel]

Zoe K. Yeah, Zoe K. Wetzel. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude. Yeah, she's graduating.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, man. She's. I think she's got, like a couple semesters left.

[Theo Von]

Oh, hell yeah. Zoe K. Right there. Graduate. Where's she graduating from?

[Cody Wetzel]

So she went to. She went to Texas Tech. She got her associates in Texas Tech. At Texas Tech. And then.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, Red Raider country. That's Cliff Kingsbury country over there. And then Mahomes country, isn't it, homes?

[Cody Wetzel]

You bet. Yeah. And so now she's just finished on finishing up nursing school, so.

[Theo Von]

Oh, she's gonna be a nurse. No way.

[Cody Wetzel]

She wants to be a nurse practitioner. And so I was like, you know what? Say it. You know, do the whole thing, you know, might as well.

[Theo Von]

But yeah, be a. Be a. Yeah, be the Carmelo Anthony and nurses. You know what I'm saying? Be like a.

[Cody Wetzel]

Go. Be a doctor. Who gives a. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Be the best one.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. Trying to get some scripts. You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Too much of this. Yeah. Sick. I'm sick of buying this. That's been these shady ass. Oh, for sure, dude. I want that governmental stuff, baby.

[Cody Wetzel]

Started buying behind McDonald's. Come on.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, my sister's a nurse. I just asked her. She's like, what do you want for Christmas? I said, I want some to all shots, okay? So if my back gets bad on the road, I can just use them.

[Cody Wetzel]

Even if I'm not hurting. Whenever I'm getting out of you, I'm like, give some of that tor.

[Theo Von]

Put it in. Oh, yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Give me all the. All the good.

[Theo Von]

That's how I'll do it. Yeah. I got to get a wife, man, next year. That's one of my goals. 2020 wives. That's what I'm calling it.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, wife. 2025.

[Theo Von]

I'm in.

[Cody Wetzel]

Nice.

[Theo Von]

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[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, I mean, they've. They've always been super supportive, but obviously, you know, them being parents, they were like, I remember whenever I was in, I got kicked out of school at Tarleton State.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

And so, you know, and they like to come in and check on me like once a year or whatever. And who do you parents? Yeah, my parents. And so I'm living basically in a garage, on a couch in a garage at one of my buddy's house. And they like, they like come in and it's like. And I'm, I'm. I was sick for some reason. I had like the flu or something, but I don't have no money to go get no meds, so they come up, take care of me, and they're like, oh, we're coming up. And they walk in this garage and there's like the cats running around and shit. I'm just kind of laid up on the couch like, ah, we ain't doing this shit. Like, what is wrong with you, bro? I was like, well, I'm sick right now. They're like, well, this is not going to happen anymore. But I was too. I was too proud to be like, to ask them for money and shit, you know, because I just. I didn't want to go that route.

[Theo Von]

And so you were out of school at that point?

[Cody Wetzel]

I was out of school.

[Theo Von]

Did they know you were out of school or no?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, they knew. And this was kind of like, had.

[Theo Von]

You graduated or no. You were just taking a break?

[Cody Wetzel]

No, no, they kicked me out. They said, get the fuck out of here.

[Theo Von]

Horse break.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. And so this is like two or probably three years. Probably 2014ish. And we're, you know, we're traveling, we're making. We're not making great money, but we're making enough for me to pay rent on a couch in the garage. And so they were like, you know, my dad, he's worked construction. He's like, you know, come back. You make pretty good money a couple years, you know, you can be a superintendent, you know, run a crew like me, you know, that sounds great, but, you know, and I've got buddies that are out in the oil field, you know, making damn good money. And it's just. It was kind of a shitty, shitty time in my life. But I think that kind of. That stuff right there is kind of what helped build me to what I am today. You know, it made me, you know, hardshelled. You know, it kind of makes me appreciate everything that I've got going on now a little bit more, you know, having to go through those times. But, yeah, my parents, they were like, this is. This is not cool. So you need to figure it out, like, if you're gonna do it, you know, do it. So, man, they've been super supportive the entire time, so it's been great.

[Theo Von]

Do you have any songs that are, like, about your mother or dad or anything like that?

[Cody Wetzel]

No, surprisingly, I don't. I've got a ton of song, so I'll probably write one now. They're gonna be watching, like, you know, we don't have a song about, you know.

[Theo Von]

What? Yeah, you just never know because sometimes it's interesting where people. How they find it's kind of hard to write a song like, you know, like, you see a lot of songs that are kind of love ballads, you know, for sure, but it's hard to write one that Morgan has that one. What's it like? Oh, that's a bang. Oh, yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

I thought you should know.

[Theo Von]

And I think there's a lot of people out there that want to have. That. Have a song like that. I think it also touched on a nerve. It's like, there's not really that son to mother song out there. I mean, there's some of those more probably.

[Cody Wetzel]

It's. That's a hard song. To write, though, you know, Like. Yeah, I feel like those songs are hard to write, like. And.

[Theo Von]

Oh, for sure.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, that Morgan song's a banger. I mean, I've mentioned my parents in songs before, but I just haven't wrote a song about them, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Maybe it'll happen. Look, it's. Things happen as they happen, but it's just. Yeah. I never really thought that it's kind of tough to create. That's a tough one to kind of make.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I think that's why that one hit me so hard. I think a Morgan's just. Was. Because it did. Yeah, you just don't.

[Cody Wetzel]

It brings home for. I mean, pretty much everybody, you know.

[Theo Von]

You guys toured together some.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, we did AT&T with him this year, bro. That was.

[Theo Von]

How cool was that?

[Cody Wetzel]

That's what I told him. I was like, man, I appreciate you having me out to any of the shows would have been great, but to play Cowboys Stadium, you know, Cowboys, my team, you know, rep Dallas. And so just. Dude, bro, I got out there and, like, that's kind of what I was like. I couldn't even, like, comprehend what was going on. The whole time. I'm just, like, staring around and looking, trying to take it all in, bro. And it was like, what is going on, man? It was. It was insane. It was something I'll never forget, you know, I can't thank Morgan enough for having us out.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Just to be able to do that, dude, that's so crazy to have that moment to go walk out there.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, man, it was just like. You just, like, kept. Like, I never even been on the field before. Right. Like, you just kept looking at, like, people all the way up. You're like, oh, what?

[Theo Von]

I was like, you know, I've been kicked out of the stadium a few times. So this was. We had to get a couple signatures to get me in over there.

[Cody Wetzel]

Dude, I'm in the back. They're like, what the fuck? Let him back in here.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, bro, that's so great. Has deers tore now? I'm guessing it's probably expanded. I know that you had an audience that was outside of Texas, for sure. I know you have a. Have had a strong grassroots audience for a long time and. And even bigger than grassroots. I don't mean to use those terms to sound like it isn't. You know what I'm saying?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I'm not trying to like.

[Cody Wetzel]

No, no.

[Theo Von]

Okay. But now have you found you. You're touring places that are outside of places you didn't think you would go before because that's when things are like, wow, this is kind of crazy.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, for sure. And I mean, we've been doing it for. For a while, you know, outside of Texas. Like, we got outside of Texas probably 17, 18. But I mean, even now, whenever we go to. To new places that are sold out, it's kind of like, man, this is crazy. You know, you kind of step back, you're like, this is. It's pretty wild. But yeah, it's. I mean, we just got done with Europe. We're over there. The uk.

[Theo Von]

No way.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, that was. All the shows are sold out. Go to Manchester, London, Manchester, London, Glasgow. Yeah. All of Leeds, I think, Lee. Yeah. Then we did Amsterdam and we did Germany, bro. It was wild. Wow.

[Theo Von]

Have you ever been here before?

[Cody Wetzel]

We did. We did acoustic, an acoustic run over there back in like 2018, so. But we haven't been back since. And so a lot of the fans were like, where were fans of the older music? You know, like, they. They dug on the new stuff, but, like, they were singing everywhere. It's all the old. So I was like, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Cody Wetzel]

It was a great time, man.

[Theo Von]

That's so sick.

[Cody Wetzel]

We got to get back in, like, the smaller rooms too.

[Theo Von]

So are you going to Australia soon too, huh?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, we'll be there in March, I think, early March, so it's so. I've never been to Australia. I'm ready.

[Theo Von]

It's so great, dude. We rented bikes one day on the beach, right? You could just rent like these beach cruiser bikes, you know, or just like these motorized bikes, you know, and we rented some and they. You can take them out on the beach and literally it. There's the most beautiful beach and nobody's out there and you're just ripping these.

[Cody Wetzel]

Dude, I just heard it's kind of like Texas. Honestly, like. Like Australia and Texas have like this thing together. Really nice. Hell yeah. That's awesome.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Shout out Australia, bro.

[Theo Von]

There's nothing like Australia. The there and the people and the women are. And everybody's good over there. They're great. They're great and everybody's good over there. And when I was over there, we went and saw one. We saw Matchbox 20 and Goo Goo Dolls at a show. We popped over there and checked that out for a little bit. We went to a Fred Again show over there. Dj. He's a dj. That was pretty hype.

[Cody Wetzel]

Were you. Were you doing shows over there?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Nice. What were all due to?

[Theo Von]

We went to everywhere except for Perth. We have to go back and Go to Perth. I might go to Sydney and Perth or if we're able to. Dude, you have to be on my friend Sean and Marley. You have to. Are you going to be in Sydney?

[Cody Wetzel]

Queensland. Queensland?

[Theo Von]

What is Queensland? Is that the beach?

[Cody Wetzel]

We're trying. We're. We're hoping to get a couple more shows over there, so if we are, we need to get on that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you need to go on my buddy Sean and Marley's show, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

Let me know.

[Theo Von]

Bring it up, Bring it up. Bring up Sean and Marley.

[Cody Wetzel]

It's like a podcast or.

[Theo Von]

No, they do Sean and Marley sea. There they are right there. Sean and Marley.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, shit. Yes. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

My dog. Dude, you gotta go and make a Texas dish with them.

[Cody Wetzel]

They're great. Yes. Hell yeah. Do some chicken fried steak with them, bro. Hell yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude. They are legends. Get down.

[Cody Wetzel]

I didn't know they were. I didn't know they were in Australia.

[Theo Von]

They were on Hot wings. No way. Bring it up.

[Cody Wetzel]

Welcome to the hot wings program.

[Theo Von]

What?

[Cody Wetzel]

Cheese. Cheers.

[Theo Von]

You and Marley look a little bit like. I look like Sean.

[Cody Wetzel]

We should do our own show like this.

[Theo Von]

I look like Sean.

[Cody Wetzel]

Theo and Coke.

[Theo Von]

That guy's getting. I call the fire department, dude. Wow.

[Cody Wetzel]

Have you been. Have you been on Hot Ones?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I went on their years ago.

[Cody Wetzel]

How was that?

[Theo Von]

It's fun, but I didn't think it was that hot, to be honest with you.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, I mean, we're used to that, though.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude. One of them. I'll say this one of them. It's more like. It's not really a sauce. It's more like something you clean the bathroom with. I'm saying, like, hey, y'all are cheating right here. This is.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, well, I saw like, they saw for like, tapatio and. And like that. I was like, what? We put that on eggs in the morning, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yes. Some of it was easy, and then some of it, you're like, oh, they using this to take rust off of the tire. Well, you know what I'm saying, like, this is next level, dude. What's like the hot. Like, what is. What's an area of Texas that you think has the best food? You've been all over there.

[Cody Wetzel]

Either. Austin. San Antonio's got some really good food, man. Santa, Mexican food. San Antonio for sure. Austin just has everything, bro. Like barbecue, Mexican food, obviously. Fort Worth, man. Fort Worth. His lights out. El Paso's got really good food.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. What's up with El Paso? It always gets a weird rap. I feel like it's kind of this mystery It's.

[Cody Wetzel]

I think they want to keep it a mystery, man, because there's so much going on. Because right there next to Juarez. Juarez is. No, no. Like, I don't.

[Theo Von]

You play Juarez.

[Cody Wetzel]

We haven't. But, I mean, it's like they. They tell you not to. To go over there or whatever, but I had a buddy, he went over there, like a month ago or a month. Two months ago, and he was like, yeah, we just walked across and went and ate and had a couple beers and came back over. I was like, what? Like. But, yeah, man. El Paso. We record out there in Tornillo. Just south El Paso and Tornado. It's called Tornillo. Yeah. And it's a great time with food out there. Phenomenal. It's really good. Best. Best Mexican food you'll probably ever eat.

[Theo Von]

Outside of El Paso.

[Cody Wetzel]

Outside El Paso. In El Paso.

[Theo Von]

In El Paso.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. If you're. If you're there, hit me up. I'll see you some. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

What. What do you think about now with. With music kind of moving forward? What do you kind of look at, like. I mean, you guys are touring off of Nine Lives now. And then, like, do you start to think about. What do you kind of think about? I know you have a Christmas album that's coming out.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, we have it coming out here in a couple days, I guess.

[Theo Von]

A couple days, I think.

[Cody Wetzel]

December 6th, Friday. And then January managed to get back in the studio, starting to write. We'll start writing tomorrow for that, actually. Stay here. And then January managed to get back in the studio, trying to do the same thing, I guess. Yeah. Just that we got a lot of festivals this year coming up, and then, I don't know, a couple surprises.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, we're excited about it, man. It's. It's. This year was. Was wild, man, for us. It was. It was insane. It was. And this year went by so quick. Like, dog.

[Theo Von]

How is that. What is that about?

[Cody Wetzel]

I don't know. Maybe that's another part of getting older, but I just feel like it was New Year's Eve and now we're back at Christmas again, you know?

[Theo Von]

It was so fast, dude. I think people are living fast, too, because that Covid or whatever. I think people are, like, trying to live as much as they can. Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. Maybe that's it. I don't know. But it was. I just looked up and I was like. Because the tour went by, tour went by. I mean, we were on the road for three months, and it went by super quick, you know, And I was looking forward to Europe. And then Europe went by quick and I was like, holy. So I don't know, man. Just getting back out there, putting out some more music, trying to, you know, keep the fans happy.

[Theo Von]

It all happens so fast.

[Cody Wetzel]

It does, man.

[Theo Von]

It's kind of weird how even, like, you could be dreaming or hoping about something, and it's like the most important thing in the world, and then it comes. It comes and it's gone.

[Cody Wetzel]

Comes and it's like, oh, man, now what do I gotta look forward to? You know, it's.

[Theo Von]

We. It's just kind. Yeah. Like, I'm always pinning, like, my. Not necessarily my happiness, but, like, I'll be pinning, like, a lot of my excitement on one day or one moment, and. And there's such a buildup of it, but then once it's gone, it's just like it never even happened.

[Cody Wetzel]

That was it. Yeah, Yeah. I feel the same, man. I'll. I get so fixated on some shit, you know, and then once it's there, try to, you know, relish it for as long as you can and. But it goes by so quick.

[Theo Von]

They got to get you on game day down there, man.

[Cody Wetzel]

I know it, man.

[Theo Von]

That'd be a fun one.

[Cody Wetzel]

Did you do that with. Is that with Pat?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I got to do it like a year ago. It was crazy. Called literally the night before, like 10:00. Like, you want to come on tomorrow? And I was like, I wouldn't put me on, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

We were talking about that at lunch. Like, Pat is just like, completely.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that guy's unreal.

[Cody Wetzel]

He's insane.

[Theo Von]

He's the most. That guy's unreal. Dude, there's Nobody like Pat McAfee, man. He's like the male Caitlin Clark of his job.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. Yeah, man, he is.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. They should have you down there next year on that red. On that. Either that red river.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Or the. The Texas versus A.

[Cody Wetzel]

Now, did you watch that the other night? It was great game, man. I think that was the. I think it was the first time, what, like 11 or 12 years that they played and everybody was.

[Theo Von]

People were stoked.

[Cody Wetzel]

Texas was on cloud 10, man. We were fired up.

[Theo Von]

People were stoked, man. What a great place to be from.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, for sure.

[Theo Von]

Because Texas, I feel like if, say, if there's, like, people start to divide off into their own states, that's going to be, say a lot of people are going to want to go live in.

[Cody Wetzel]

For sure. Well, hell, like, everybody's starting to move down, you know, you got all these people from California and I Mean, it's kind of like Nashville, you know, Everybody's moving to Nashville as well. But are you coming. Are you coming to Texas?

[Theo Von]

I'm coming to look at a place there in Austin.

[Cody Wetzel]

Nice, man. Fuck you.

[Theo Von]

I need to get just. I want to be closer to, like a. Yeah, I just. I would like to have to be able to be in both places because I. I find myself. I. I've had an apartment in Los Angeles for a while. For this whole year. I've probably been there.

[Cody Wetzel]

You still got a place back in.

[Theo Von]

LA for three weeks. I've been there whole year.

[Cody Wetzel]

It's. Yeah, I think being able to bounce back and forth from here and there would be dope.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

And you've been awesome, right, man? It's got everything, man. Like, it's. It's. It's badass.

[Theo Von]

It's fun. You can still get mugged a little.

[Cody Wetzel]

I like that still. Yeah. I still gotta hold on to your wallet.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. If there ain't no crime there. The food ain't that good. You gotta have. You gotta have crime to have food.

[Cody Wetzel]

It's too wide for me.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. If you don't have some good crime. Yeah, we're gonna do. What did you. Cameron asked me about doing the inch, the twelve Days of Christmas for that thing. What were we supposed to do?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, no, just read it. No. Yeah, I was. I was gonna have you read it, but I was. I should have thought about it. Like, we could do it now.

[Theo Von]

Would it even be able to record or.

[Cody Wetzel]

No, no, we're good.

[Theo Von]

I don't know if I had a good one studio or something. I was just kind of overwhelmed.

[Cody Wetzel]

No, I. I hit him up and I was like, man, this is kind of last notice.

[Theo Von]

Like, if you do one next year, I'll be happy to do it.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, for sure. We'll. We'll get together also, man, because I.

[Theo Von]

Wanted to find a way to make it funny, but I was just like, I'm burnt out.

[Cody Wetzel]

I told. I was like, man. He was like, what's kind of like the overall deal? I was like, just telling to be himself, you know, I just wanted you to read. We got a. You know Ben Burgess. Ben Burgess.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Songwriter got Ben to do it. Yeah. And you know Ben.

[Theo Von]

Bring him up. Bring him a picture of him.

[Cody Wetzel]

Ben is. He's his own person, bro. And he. He went in there and did it, did his, like, Texas draw and.

[Theo Von]

Oh, dude, he's a very famous songwriter, isn't he?

[Cody Wetzel]

He's a bad cat, man.

[Theo Von]

He's like the Greatest one, isn't he?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. I love Auburn.

[Theo Von]

Wow. I met him years ago with Charles Kelly, I think at some event that they had. Josh Kelly years ago.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. He's a bad dude, man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, he's the guy.

[Cody Wetzel]

Well, yeah, he got in there and he read it like he was reading it to his grandchildren or some dude. Sounds good. He did, yeah. That's cool.

[Theo Von]

Well, if you guys need somebody next year, man, I was gonna say, otherwise we could just record it right here. I just didn't. I didn't know what to do.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. No. Oh, good.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. What do you do? Yeah, with the Christmas album. So what is. It's just like I heard some of the ones from year I saw, like you guys had a cool animation that was online.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Like you in the back of a Santa slay and stuff.

[Cody Wetzel]

It's just like. Just some, like, reimagined songs. Like, we just basically, like covering them up and just making them ours, so.

[Theo Von]

And like chestnuts roasting on like a.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, just on a bottle of Fireball or something. Barbecue pit or some.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

We. I don't know. It kind of gives us something to do at the end of the year because we're not usually not in the studio, so just kind of gives us reason to. And it's, you know, some that people can go back to every single Christmas. So I don't know.

[Theo Von]

Do you want to. When you start thinking about, like, what are things you feel like are missing from your own life, do you feel.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, is that a weird question? I don't know. I'll be getting a lot of those today. Very intimate questions. I don't know, man.

[Theo Von]

I mean, you just hit such a neat place in your career.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, for sure. I don't think it's anything career wise. I don't know. It's just always go, go, go. And. I don't know. You know, I think not having the. Maybe the alone time or whatever it is, you know, just to kind of reset. I was with Bobby and them earlier and we were talking about it, and that was kind of one of the things I did on is just I like. I like being like. I'm a loner, you know, and. Because I'm always surrounded around people and stuff, but I like to have the time to myself just to kind of relax and reset and do all that. So I don't know. I don't know what it's missing. Life's good, man. Life's good, too.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, and that's a good point, too. Sometimes it doesn't have to be, you know, Sometimes I'll like. I feel like I always need to have an answer for that question. I didn't realize that till just now.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And then I'm kind of setting myself up for failure in a little bit of a way because I'm always thinking that there's something missing.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, yeah, that can be. That could be a problem. But I mean, but sometimes when. When life is as good as you think it is, maybe it's not, you know, So I don't know, do.

[Theo Von]

It must be inspiring to see your career evolve. Continue to evolve. Right. And grow. Your fan base. Continue to grow. Because then you start thinking, well, what can I do? You know, like not. You don't think that before, but you're like, okay, how can I challenge myself now? How can I. What else could I maybe I've got.

[Cody Wetzel]

I've got here, you know, where else could I go or what else could I do?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's kind of interesting, you know, because you don't know what this looks like until you're. Till you're standing there, you know?

[Cody Wetzel]

Well, I find myself, like, getting into things that, you know, just that I probably would never have got into and be like, well, maybe that would be a cool, cool like say, acting or something, you know, something like that. I think that would be really cool to get into or bar ownership.

[Theo Von]

You got a new bar right now?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, yeah, we've been doing the bar deal and riot. Right. Room. Yeah, yeah. You need to come down to Fort Worth, man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude. Whenever we're torn through there, I think if we don't go through Dallas, we'll have to make it happen.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, for sure.

[Theo Von]

And what kind of joint is it in there? They got billiards or. What is it?

[Cody Wetzel]

It's. It's kind of like a honky tonk during the day with food, and then about 9 o'clock it turns to a club, man. It's like a Texas club, I guess. Like a cowboy club.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

I don't know how to explain it. We got bottle. Bottle start. There you go. Yeah, it's. It's a ride. It's a good time, gang.

[Theo Von]

Dude, that's your place?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, bro.

[Theo Von]

Congratulations, man.

[Cody Wetzel]

We just opened up a second location or about to in Houston. Hopefully getting it up by February.

[Theo Von]

See, that's what I'm missing about party. You can open up something like that. Like I'd have to open up a place where people kind of cry about how they feel every now and then.

[Cody Wetzel]

That's what I said whenever I open it up. I was like, I just want a place I can go fucking party and not have to worry going to jail, you know? Like. Like, nobody can kick me out of the.

[Theo Von]

Except for you.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. You end up texting yourself sometimes. I need to kick myself out of there, bro. You just see me dragging myself out, bro.

[Theo Von]

Riot Room. That's so cool, dude. Just have your own bar. Everybody dreams of that, you know? People dream of that in their lives, you know?

[Cody Wetzel]

It's been a lot of fun, man.

[Theo Von]

You guys are opening up a new one?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, down in Houston. It'll open. Open for February, but it's almost finished up. It's been going good, man. It's. You know, I never thought. I never can, like, thought that I'd have a bar or whatever, but got in with the right people and just kind of. I don't know. It's been. It's been cool.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Especially in Texas. Especially in your space.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. We didn't. We had talked about putting in one here in Nashville, and I was like, I'm not stepping on nobody's toes, you know, it's not. It's not my domain. I'm. I'm gonna stick to what I know down there in Texas.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to be careful. I think about that sometimes, too. Like, about getting involved in certain stuff. You don't want to act like it's your place just because you're there.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, for sure.

[Theo Von]

You know, if you're not from there, I feel like that's how I feel sometimes.

[Cody Wetzel]

I've seen a Jelly Rose. Is he putting in one? Is he?

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. That's what I did here. Jelly Roll. Putting in a bar. Let's look. Pull it up.

[Cody Wetzel]

Jelly. Laney got hers. Morgan. Oh, yeah, I've been to Morgan.

[Theo Von]

I've been to Morgan's. Either one of my. We were at Good Night story building.

[Cody Wetzel]

God, I feel like they're. They're not just, like, built, they're just, like, saying how many. How many stories they can go up.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cody Wetzel]

Shout out Jelly, man. That's awesome.

[Theo Von]

Bars, Marquis Sound will be yellow and black, including a skull wearing a crown of Nashville skyline. Oh, that's kind of cool, man. Oh, yeah. That's like his emblem.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. Shout out Jelly. That's awesome, man.

[Theo Von]

It is cool. Dude. What a guy.

[Cody Wetzel]

Dude, your impression of Jelly, whatever he is, is you. And if you've ever fallen asleep in.

[Theo Von]

A fucking UPS van, if you were raised in the back of an Oscar Mayer Wheeler vehicle, if you've ever gotten head lice From Bad Head. If you've ever popped a pimple on the back of a long haul truck, girl. If you've ever given head in the front seat of a Peter belt. If you've ever had your legs fall asleep on the of a loves gas station toilet, you could win an Emmy. Like, what is happening, dude?

[Cody Wetzel]

By the way, Jelly. Jelly gives the best hugs in the world, bro. Every time he sees you, like, he just like picks you up like Jelly, man. This is. Oh, man. Yeah. If you're having a shitty day, get a hug from Jelly. Ro turns that right around he.

[Theo Von]

They should have a hug center. They should have. That should be a machine.

[Cody Wetzel]

That's what we need to tell them. Hey, instead of all the other good that you're doing around the world, you need a hug station. Give out free hugs, bro. Oh, man.

[Theo Von]

If you never been. It's $1 hugs, dude. Jelly's $1 hugs. Or you can pay $2 and get a little bit more of a hug. You know what I'm saying, Dud? And it's heated. The second hug is heated, dude. Damn, brother.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, there's something about Jelly. He just is. There's something about him. He's just like a conduit, you know?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah. For.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I feel like for love, really. The guy just.

[Cody Wetzel]

It's like his whole aura, his whole presence, everything about him, it's just. Man, it. Yeah, it'll turn a bad day around for sure.

[Theo Von]

It really will. He really is grateful, man. Yeah, he's grateful. He's fun to watch.

[Cody Wetzel]

His story's been cool, man. He's got a really cool story.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's great, dude. And yeah, you guys are going to be touring for how long? Most of next year or what?

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, we're doing a bunch of like, festivals and stuff and then hopefully getting a tour in towards the end of the year. Maybe planning on a new record. So if we get that out, get a new tour going, all the goods.

[Theo Von]

Any new songwriters you want to work with or anything like that or. What's that look like? I know you. One night I called. You and Ernest were working together.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, me and Ernest were out and I think we're out in El Paso whenever you y'all were.

[Theo Von]

He said he saw an alien or something. Could have been high.

[Cody Wetzel]

Oh, yeah, there's no telling what. Don't fucking peyote everything else out there, bro. But yeah, man. I mean, we. I've started co riding with a lot of people, man. It's. And this last record was the first time that I'd done it. So, yeah, man, I think it's kind of just kind of open to brand new ideas and stuff, man. Just trying to, you know, do. Do what's best for us.

[Theo Von]

Has it been hard for you to evolve? Like, is that a tough thing to. To change, to do as an artist? To like, think, okay, I'm gonna co writer. I'm not. Or is that. Do you, like, have certain, like, kind of rules for yourself and then those change, or do you not have any rules for yourself?

[Cody Wetzel]

It was at first to start with the co rides because I've wrote, you know, my first four records or completely just me. And then so to get into co riding was kind of a hard ordeal. And then now I've accepted a lot more. I feel like it's. It's easier on me, especially with the headspace I'm in and so much that's going on. And it helps to have other people's ideas, you know, outside looking in. So. Yeah, man, it's. It's been a lot of fun, like I said, with Gabe Simon and all those. All those badass. All these badass artists around here, man.

[Theo Von]

I met him with Dermot Kennedy, I think. Bring a picture of him up. I think they were writing together.

[Cody Wetzel]

Probably Gabe Simon, he worked with. No, no, Khan and a couple other. Okay.

[Theo Von]

I don't think it's him.

[Cody Wetzel]

All right.

[Theo Von]

No, no, that's him. Sorry, sorry. That is Gabe. That is not the guy that I met, but I would like to meet him sometime.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Small world. I look forward to meeting games. No, this. Okay. Now I feel like an idiot, but that's okay. It was a different Gabe that I believe played with Dermot Kennedy over there. We went to the Bluebird over there and watched him play. Yeah. Well, I just think that's interesting because. Yeah, it's like I always want to do things on my own. Right. Yeah. I was like, oh, I'll do it on my own. But then things kind of change. You're like, I can't do it all.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, for sure.

[Theo Von]

And so then I'm like, now I have to evolve a little bit.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, for sure. I think. And I've always been like, I hate to ask people for help on anything. Like, that's just how I'm wired. But sometimes, you know, I mean it, you kind of gotta push your pride aside and say, hell with it. So.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. And then that's the times when you really kind of. Things that get better, you know, honestly.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Usually when I end up including other people. And then I'm not doing anything alone. I think that's the thing. That. That's a bummer. Sometimes I think about, like. It's not like. I think sometimes I would like to get married, you know, or something. I said that. But I think it's because otherwise you do stuff and you don't have anybody to tell about it.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You're like, oh, I just. This was fun, but it was by myself. And you're like, well, shit, dude. And then your wife, one day, your wife or whatever is gonna be like, shut up. I wasn't there.

[Cody Wetzel]

Please stop telling me about this.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I wasn't there, dude. I think that's good, man. I think we've had a nice chat.

[Cody Wetzel]

Hell, yeah. That was awesome.

[Theo Von]

Co. Congratulations, dude. Appreciate it. Yeah, we look forward to just hearing more music and just watching your journey, man. Yeah, it's tough to grow up, dude. Don't do all. Don't. Don't do it all overnight, dude.

[Cody Wetzel]

Yeah, not all overnight. Yeah, we'll. We'll just keep easing into it.

[Theo Von]

Okay. Amen. New Christmas Christmas album out now, and his album, nine Lives. Thanks again. Go. Have a good one, man.

[Cody Wetzel]

Appreciate it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Merry Christmas.

[Cody Wetzel]

Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone oh but when I reach that ground I'll share this piece of mind I found I can feel it in my bones but it's gonna take a.