E558 Katt Williams

Summary

Podcast Summary: E558 Katt Williams on "This Past Weekend with Theo Von"

Introduction and Mutual Respect Theo Von welcomes today's guest, renowned comedian Katt Williams, highlighting his iconic status and latest "Heaven on Earth" tour. The conversation kicks off with mutual admiration, establishing a warm and respectful rapport between the two.

Theo Von [02:43]: "I feel like everybody does."

Katt Williams [02:37]: "You have a statue of me at your house."

Seizing Life and the Concept of Heaven The discussion delves into Katt Williams' belief in heaven, emphasizing its diversity. He shares his realization that heaven encompasses all ethnicities, challenging traditional, often homogenous depictions seen in church materials.

Katt Williams [06:27]: "It's truly the only place that white people are a minority."

Theo reflects on his upbringing and the moment he understood heaven's diversity after attending a black church.

Theo Von [06:05]: "That's when I realized, oh, everybody's going to be in heaven."

Time, Motivation, and Life Goals Katt Williams explores the importance of having personal goals and maintaining motivation. He contrasts this with the challenges faced by the super wealthy, who often struggle with happiness despite material success.

Katt Williams [07:04]: "Life gives it a wonderful meaning."

Theo and Katt discuss the perception of time as a limitation versus a medium to create meaningful experiences.

Katt Williams [09:24]: "Time is one of the main things that's made up."

Theo Von [08:23]: "You think, so it's just used as, like, a mechanism to what, limit our thinking?"

Evolution of Comedy and Maintaining Excellence The conversation shifts to the evolution of comedy, where Katt Williams emphasizes the importance of continuously striving for excellence rather than settling for mediocrity. He critiques comedians who rely on past fame instead of evolving their craft.

Katt Williams [12:19]: "They're not the comedian that was thinking something was funny and writing it down."

Theo adds his perspective on his early comedic motivations, focusing on personal connection over memorable jokes.

Theo Von [15:02]: "I didn't think... I want you to remember me."

Selecting Openers and Show Dynamics Discussing the logistics of live performances, Katt Williams shares his criteria for selecting opening acts, prioritizing uniqueness and personal storytelling over joke quality.

Katt Williams [13:34]: "I choose them based upon whether their point of view is unique to them."

Theo contrasts his early approach with Katt’s, highlighting a shift from personal branding to showcasing diverse talent.

Theo Von [15:55]: "That's who you are, cat."

Background and Influences Katt Williams corrects misconceptions about fellow comedian Dave Chappelle's origins and discusses his own roots in Dayton, Ohio. He elaborates on his recent acquisition of the decommissioned Fort McClellan military base, outlining his vision to transform it into a hub for quality film and entertainment production.

Katt Williams [58:31]: "We're trying to create something where it can provide a platform for a lot of people."

Personal Life: Pets and Hobbies The duo lightens the conversation by discussing Katt Williams' pets, including ducks and horses. They share amusing anecdotes about maintaining a diverse array of animals on the newly acquired property.

Theo Von [132:38]: "How many ducks do you have, Cat?"

Katt Williams [133:16]: "Between 19 and 21."

Relationships and Marriage Theo Von opens up about his thoughts on marriage and family, expressing a desire for a deeper connection while grappling with societal pressures. Katt Williams shares his perspective, emphasizing seeking genuine happiness over societal labels.

Katt Williams [70:50]: "We would be seeing her again because you have this feeling already."

Influences and Book Reading Katt Williams discusses his love for reading, starting with the Bible and moving on to classic literature. He highlights how books fueled his imagination and provided valuable life lessons.

Katt Williams [80:14]: "I got it all from books."

Theo Von reflects on his favorite childhood books, illustrating how literature shaped his storytelling abilities.

Theo Von [83:16]: "Words were really just fuel for your imagination."

Conspiracies and Society The conversation takes a serious turn as Katt Williams addresses societal structures, including the influence of organizations like the FBI and CIA. He debunks conspiracy theories, attributing many societal issues to human nature rather than orchestrated plots.

Katt Williams [89:15]: "We're past that. We're past that."

Reflections on Life and Legacy Both hosts reflect on their personal legacies and the impact they've had on others. Katt Williams emphasizes the importance of storytelling and leaving a positive mark, while Theo Von contemplates the balance between personal experiences and societal expectations.

Katt Williams [107:24]: "He was a brilliant, brilliant individual."

Closing Thoughts and Future Outlook In their closing segments, Katt Williams shares an optimistic outlook for the future, advocating for truth and authenticity in an age of misinformation. They discuss potential projects and charitable endeavors, highlighting their commitment to positive change.

Katt Williams [140:10]: "People are hungry for that, and they'll pay you handsomely to hear the truth."

Theo Von [149:30]: "We're seeing her again because you have this feeling already."

Conclusion Theo Von wraps up the episode by expressing gratitude for Katt Williams' candidness and insights, marking it as an honor to share the platform with such an influential comedian.

Theo Von [154:51]: "Thanks for just so many things, so many quotable moments from your life that you've shared with us."

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Notable Quotes:

1. Katt Williams [06:27]: "It's truly the only place that white people are a minority."
2. Katt Williams [07:04]: "Life gives it a wonderful meaning."
3. Katt Williams [13:34]: "I choose them based upon whether their point of view is unique to them."
4. Katt Williams [80:14]: "I got it all from books."
5. Katt Williams [140:10]: "People are hungry for that, and they'll pay you handsomely to hear the truth."

Key Insights:

• Diversity in Spirituality: Katt Williams challenges traditional views on heaven, advocating for a diverse afterlife that reflects the global population.

• Continuous Growth: Both comedians emphasize the importance of evolving their craft and maintaining personal motivations to stay relevant and fulfilled.

• Authentic Storytelling: Selecting performers who offer unique perspectives and genuine storytelling is pivotal for impactful comedy.

• Legacy and Influence: Reflecting on personal journeys and the influence of literature and mentors shapes their approach to life and comedy.

• Societal Structures: Debunking conspiracy theories, Katt Williams attributes major societal issues to human nature and institutional roles rather than secret plots.

Conclusion: Episode E558 of "This Past Weekend with Theo Von" featuring Katt Williams offers a deep dive into the life, beliefs, and philosophies of one of comedy's most influential figures. From discussions on spirituality and time management to the evolution of comedy and personal legacies, the episode provides valuable insights and heartfelt reflections, making it a must-listen for fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Theo Von]

Hey there, Ryan Reynolds here. It's a new year and you know what that means. No, not the diet resolutions. A way for us all to try and do a little bit better than we did last year. And my resolution, unlike big wireless, is to not be a raging and raise the price of wireless on you every chance I get. Give it a [e-mail] switch. $45 upfront payment required. Equivalent to $15 per month. New customers on first three month plan only. Taxes and fees. Extra speed slower above 40 gigabytes on unlimited. See mintmobile.com for details. Today's guest is. Well, he's the Goat. He is an iconic comedian. He has a new tour going on right now called the Heaven on Earth tour. He is labeled by many as an oracle. As the black crystal ball I've heard him called. I'm thankful that he came down from the clouds today to spend time with us. Today's guest is Mr. Cat Williams. What's up, man?

[Cat Williams]

What's up, man? It's time. Good to see good old Theo Vaughan.

[Theo Von]

It's an honor.

[Cat Williams]

The world loves you, you know.

[Theo Von]

Well, that's nice you to say. I feel. I feel like I can't believe I'm around you.

[Cat Williams]

I think, you know, I feel like.

[Theo Von]

You seem like a mythical figure.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

Well, you know, like Sack Squatch or like a unicorn or something like that.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. You'll still feel that way at. By the end. Like, I won't ruin that. Yeah. Yeah. That's the good thing about people like you and I. Like, if somebody thinks that they like us and they think they've made a connection with this person on the screen when they're around us, it's legitimate because it was legitimate. You know what I mean? Like, if Theo Von wasn't successful, he doesn't have a different story.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Cat Williams]

You know what I mean? It's the same story. He lived that story story. And that's. That's why people gravitate to you. Because there's nobody like you.

[Theo Von]

Well, thanks, man. I feel the same about you. I feel like everybody does.

[Cat Williams]

And you have a statue of me at your house. So, you know, so. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Thank you, man. Yeah. Thank you for letting them even do that statue. What was that whole deal like with them, with Michael's? That's where I got mine at. Was at Michael's, right?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Did you do it? Was it a collab or what was it?

[Cat Williams]

Nope. No. They just robbed my image and likeness because they could. Because they were doing it for religious purposes.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yes.

[Cat Williams]

I allowed it.

[Theo Von]

Well, thank you.

[Cat Williams]

We wish you a black Christmas.

[Theo Von]

Hey, man, look, I'd be honored to have one. I'd be honored to have one. Yeah, man. Because, yeah, when I met that guy there, he said, we got two left, man. You know, and there was 200, and one of them was marked down because it had a chip in it. But it's still, man, it's an honor. I keep it up in my house year round, and people walk in and they're like, no way. That's Cat William right there.

[Cat Williams]

It is.

[Theo Von]

And it's beautiful, man.

[Cat Williams]

Thank you.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. You have a new. You have a new tour, man. And, you know, I know people talk about touring and comedy a lot, and I want to know what kind of keeps you still doing comedy. Like, did you like. Because I think when we start out, maybe it's to be funny. And then some people get to this place where they want to have a message. Do you notice that kind of tone shift in your, like, desire to do it over time?

[Cat Williams]

I don't. I don't think so. Like, I. I always try to have a message just because I enjoy the fact that while laughing and joking, you might learn something you didn't know and have gotten it from a comedian. And I kind of dig that. But everything else is just continuing this conversation with my fan base, like, these are my friends that I haven't seen since the last time I was here. And here's our discussion furthering our relationship. So it hasn't felt much like work.

[Theo Von]

And it's the Heaven on Earth tour. Do you. Do you believe in heaven?

[Cat Williams]

Absolutely. And Earth?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Okay. All right.

[Cat Williams]

Fair.

[Theo Von]

Touche, man.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Dude.

[Theo Von]

I remember when I first. Because, like, when I was growing up, we just had, you know, you'd learned about heaven and stuff, but all the pamphlets or whatever I'd seen at church or anything, it always had. It was mostly white folks on it. Right, right. And then I went to a black church one time. Yeah, it was. I think it's called Greater Starlight Baptist Church that was in our town.

[Cat Williams]

And shout out to Greater Starlight Baptist.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, it was nice in there. This was in Covington, Louisiana, but.

[Cat Williams]

But, yeah, they had about 13 miles from Slidell.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. There you go. Wow. Map Williams in the building, baby.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

But. And that's when I realized, don't make.

[Cat Williams]

Me go girt, everybody.

[Theo Von]

That's when I realized, oh, everybody's going to be in heaven. That was the first time that I realized heaven was going to be very diverse. I'd never thought about it right and it was, it blew my mind. I was like, oh, wow, they're going to have black folks in heaven. Asian folks, all types of folks are going to be there.

[Cat Williams]

You know, it's truly the only place that white people are a minority.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Huh.

[Cat Williams]

Is in heaven. Just because thousands of years went with nobody getting to go.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Just because of that. They might not have even been involved in. You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. I guess I'm kind of. I don't know if I'm starting to look forward to it. I am excited about it.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

But, yeah, I guess I get caught up in like a lot of worldly stuff, you know, like there's still things I want to do here, that type of thing, you know.

[Cat Williams]

Really?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

You still got stuff you haven't done?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, man, I got some things. Yeah. Some different things. I would like to write a book, I think.

[Cat Williams]

Don't, don't say what they are, but I'm saying just the fact that you got things that you're excited about doing, that's the, that's the joy of life. That's when you're living is, um, so many. That's why it's so difficult for these super wealthy people to be happy. Like, they can do everything else, but they can't be happy because they've lived all their dreams, they got everything they were trying to get. They, they wake up and they can't score a touchdown no matter what. They. Yeah, it's a terrible life. But guys like you and I, that's still got stuff to try and taste and, you know, things to feel and people to be around. Like, it gives life a, a wonderful meaning.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. I think that is something that, like, if I stay kind of motivated and I have a plan a little bit, it keeps me a lot more like, okay, I want to do this, I still want to try that, you know? Yeah. And I start to think, man, I'm running out of time too. You know, if you really like to taste different things and smell different flowers and, you know, and see what's on in different gardens and stuff, then you start to run out of time.

[Cat Williams]

No.

[Theo Von]

You don't think?

[Cat Williams]

No. Because you had to be in the position that you're in now for you to be able to make some of these things happen. Couldn't have done them at 34, 24, 14, because circumstantially you weren't ready. You weren't ready financially. You didn't have the time. You didn't know that's what you wanted to do now at this place is when you can make those things happen. Like, you can do everything on that list of yours in 2025 with no fucking sweat. And your biggest problem in 26 is I gotta have a new list. Yeah. Time is. Time is one of the main things that's made up.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you think?

[Cat Williams]

I know.

[Theo Von]

So it's just used as, like, a mechanism to what, limit our thinking?

[Cat Williams]

Well, don't say limit. You said that you like this thing because it gives control and it puts things in its place, and that's what time does for us, so that we're able to keep track, you know, But. But the less you deal with time, you realize you have the right amount of time to do everything you got to do every day, 24 hours, and you could make it an adventure every day. Like, hey, I could die tomorrow. What would that mean I would need to be doing today? How do I. You see what I'm saying? Like, not looking at it like, oh, I'm running out of time. Nah, nah, nah. Know dead people ran out of time.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Everybody else alive. You got 30 swim trunks. Do that for me. You know, how you gonna say you.

[Theo Von]

Got 30 swim trunks, but you ain't never been in the ocean? Joe Rogan, bro, thank you for having a good sense of humor, man.

[Cat Williams]

That's what I am. I am a good sense of humor.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Sometimes we forget about that along the way, man. You are. How long you want to live for then? You think, Cat, you got to check out. You got to. When you ever think about it.

[Cat Williams]

I was promised that I won't have to deal with that, So I don't. I don't consider it. I do know that. Yeah. I. I don't. I don't have any things that I have to do in order to go out the way I would like. So that's a blessing. And about one of the best you can get, you know, is being okay with the body of work and the legacy and feelings and the emotions that you left, you know, And. And I still haven't done my best, like, comedically. Like, I'm still not really my funniest. Like, I'm still not working hard enough. Like, I'm still not. I still haven't made a complete package of myself yet.

[Theo Von]

So do you think some comedians start to feel like they have and that that's a trap?

[Cat Williams]

Most comedians have, though? Yeah. I'm saying that becomes part of the career is the fact that a lot of guys that are doing comedy right now were funny from 1995. To 2004. They're still working.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

They're still generating income. They're still. But they're. Best comedy is long behind them. They're not. That comedian that was thinking something was funny and writing it down and figuring a way to get this to the people. And so, yeah, it happens.

[Theo Von]

What sidetracks can be is. I guess it could be all types of things. Huh? What sidetracks them from maybe fulfilling their.

[Cat Williams]

Their excellence is difficult, but to be mediocre. It's no pressure, like, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Like, if you don't feel like you have to be the funniest person that this crowd has seen tonight, then you don't. And there's nothing wrong with that. Nobody's gonna jam you up about it. They'll go, oh, you were funny. And for a lot of people, that's enough.

[Theo Von]

How do you pick? You've had a lot of openers. Like, I've met a lot of your openers over the years here and there. How do you choose them, man? How do you choose these guys? Or women? You need a lighter.

[Cat Williams]

Whether you're. Oh, no, no. I have no needs. I apologize. What. I choose them based upon whether. Whether the. Whether their point of view is unique to them. Like, I don't care what a comedian's talking about. That's your business. I don't. I don't care what jokes you're making or how your set flows. But are you telling a story about you? Can people see this? 8 minutes, 12 minutes. You're gonna do and know you and have a chance to like you. If you do that, then I. You can open for me, because my allegiance is to the people out there in those seats, and I want them to see the very best comedians that I can possibly bring. Somebody they'll enjoy, whether they're male or female or white or black. Just do. Do they come to work? Do they have a show for you? You see?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. That's what I care about.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I think when I was getting into comedy in the beginning, I didn't. I wanted people to know me, right. Like, I never. I like the jokes, and I want them to. I want them to laugh and feel good and see different ways that maybe I think and stuff, but I wanted to sell myself. That's what I always thought. I think.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

When I first started, I didn't think. I don't want you to remember one joke. I want you to remember me. Right? Like, I felt, like, this desperate.

[Cat Williams]

That's a star, though. So you knew that you would be a star. That's different than a performer. A performer is based upon the act. What I'm saying is, magicians ain't. Unless they doing magic. Yeah, right.

[Theo Von]

Oh, if I see them.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, I feel right, bro.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

But a true comedian is above the comedy material. The jokes are secondary. We. We like this guy, and we want to hear what this guy has chosen to say to us about the topics of his choosing.

[Theo Von]

That's who you are.

[Cat Williams]

You know what I mean? That's who you are.

[Theo Von]

That's who you are, cat.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Well, takes one another.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. You grew up in Ohio, huh?

[Cat Williams]

Yes. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Did you grow up by Dave Chappelle? You guys grew up near each other?

[Cat Williams]

Dave Chappelle's not even from Ohio.

[Theo Von]

Isn't he? I thought he's from Dayton.

[Cat Williams]

I'm from Dayton.

[Theo Von]

Are you really? Yeah, Chappelle's from D.C. oh, damn. My bad. Sorry.

[Cat Williams]

No problem.

[Theo Von]

So. But he lives in Dayton now, though.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, he has a lot of. He owns probably $5 million worth of property out there.

[Theo Von]

Dang.

[Cat Williams]

He's doing really well for our. Dayton, Ohio.

[Theo Von]

They got a beautiful museum out there. I went to.

[Cat Williams]

Dayton's a wonderful place.

[Theo Von]

They have the Air Force Museum, I think it is out there.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Because we have Wright Patterson Air Force Base that we're very, very proud of. And it's awesome. Yeah, they have.

[Theo Von]

I think Fat man and Little Boy are in there. Is it the. Or the plane that dropped. There's a planes that dropped the bombs on. I want to say it's. I want to say it's Pearl harbor in there, man. It could be Hiroshima. Little Boy and Fat Man.

[Cat Williams]

There they are.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. That's what Rogan named his. The rooms of his comedy club after.

[Cat Williams]

He certainly did. The Mothership. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

They really get it over there.

[Cat Williams]

You feeling the pressure of this interview? No, no.

[Theo Von]

Of Austin, of moving there.

[Cat Williams]

Is Austin calling you a little bit. They trying to put pressure on you A little bit?

[Theo Von]

I didn't like at first, I wanted to do my own thing. Like, a lot of people were moving there, but now when I'm there, it just feels like it's a fun energy.

[Cat Williams]

It is.

[Theo Von]

And there's people on stage, and you can go up and down that 6th street and you can do five or six sets in a night. I mean, that's a lot of practice. And it's probably within 800 footsteps or whatever.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

So that, to me, seems really remarkable. What's on you? What's on the new tour? What's it like? Like, what's it like to still go out there? What's it like to, like, do you do in the round? What's your show like? I've been to a Cat Williams show, clearly. Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

And what a blessing. You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

That's true. I still have it to look forward to.

[Cat Williams]

Right. And we. We just learned we got plenty of time, you know, but it's like. I don't know, it's like a festival for laughs and good energy and there are different comedians before it gets to me. And so you get a chance to get an overview of some of the greatest comedians around the country and get a chance to see them. And it's hosted by Monique, and Monique is a super large figure in comedy and she has a great presence. And. And then after all of said and done, then I come out and I congregate with the people for an hour and. Yeah, the best thing, I think, is probably the fact that you've gotten your money's worth twice before I get on stage.

[Theo Von]

Amen.

[Cat Williams]

And I think that's the part I'm probably proudest.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Were you. What do you bring with you on the road? Somebody said you bring a cyber truck. Is that true?

[Cat Williams]

Yes, I. It. That's my work truck.

[Theo Von]

I have a cyber truck. That's why I was just curious what.

[Cat Williams]

You thought about it when I. When I'm home on the ranch. That's my. That's my farm truck. I love it.

[Theo Von]

Like, it's fun. It feels like you're driving an email, kind of.

[Cat Williams]

Oh. What?

[Theo Von]

It feels like you're driving an email. That's what I feel like sometimes. It just feels like I'm in the future. Like, you could floor it and just.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, it does feel like a ufo.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Like, you'll put the gas on Monday. Like, you'll floor it and you'll. When it stops, it's Thursday right there. It's like. It just has like a. I don't know.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, it's. It's a. It's. It's a unique experience, you know?

[Theo Von]

Have you met him? Have you met Elon before?

[Cat Williams]

No, no, I don't. I don't generally enjoy the company of billionaires.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think if I know any good billionaires.

[Cat Williams]

Well, it's not that they're not good, but I'm saying I don't need to be reminded of my inadequacies, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah. Like.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. What. What you do for fitness, man. What's your fitness regime like? You got a regime each day or what's that like?

[Cat Williams]

The ladies keep me fit. I'm heavy in sexual relations and so. Oh yeah, that keeps you pretty, pretty fit. Oh, I got a cold plunge and a jacuzzi and a sauna that I do. Pretty ritualistic. And I've never been a gym guy. I got two torn rotator cuffs. So that kind of.

[Theo Von]

Both them gone, huh?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Yeah. So golf is basically how I stay where I'm trying to be. But I've. I've never been. I've never been seven pounds under or over in my life.

[Theo Von]

You're that middle dog.

[Cat Williams]

Like I'm at 150, you know, on.

[Theo Von]

The dime, maybe he'll show up. Yeah, yeah, he'll check. Made a scale, baby. You know what I'm saying?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, right, right.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I think I, I like. What have I been doing recently? Swimming. Oh, there's you playing golf right there. Damn kid out there.

[Cat Williams]

Right. So, you know, if you can get 222 without your arms ever going above your head and do it consistently where it always ends up in the fairway, you're hidden, you know, 14, 16 of 18 in the fairway, you know, then this is. Then you can play the game a.

[Theo Von]

Little better banging out there. Yeah, well, you can't get them arms. I guess at a certain point your arms don't need to go that high in there anyway, though I'm trying to think of what I.

[Cat Williams]

Well, it would certainly, it would certainly give me more yards. And a fuller thing is the rotator cuffs don't allow it. So I started golfing with these 80 year old guys that, you know, you.

[Theo Von]

Got to wait, you got to like.

[Cat Williams]

They can barely get out the car, but then they come out there and out drive you. Every shot is better than your like. So they taught me how to play golf under restraint, so that's to not hurt myself, you know, so.

[Theo Von]

And how'd you bang them cuffs up? What happened, you think?

[Cat Williams]

What you mean?

[Theo Von]

How'd you.

[Cat Williams]

Oh, I was, I was, I was in the midst of a. Of a push up contest.

[Theo Von]

No way. He blew him out.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, man.

[Cat Williams]

But I was, I was probably at 200. I was doing too much.

[Theo Von]

You did 200 push ups?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, yeah. And tore the cuffs both at the same time.

[Theo Von]

You ripped both them bitches, man. God damn. Pull up at a Jiffy Lube and get well, buddy.

[Cat Williams]

The guy I'm going against, because the way it worked is you could do as many as you wanted. When you stop, it's my go. And I got a match. You Know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

So you took it to the limits, huh?

[Cat Williams]

It was a horse.

[Theo Von]

You took it to the limits, man. Yeah. Maybe you could probably do some swimming safely. Maybe I could see you.

[Cat Williams]

Oh, I'm an avid water. Yeah. Like, I'm in the water probably more than you.

[Theo Von]

That dark koi baby you out there.

[Cat Williams]

I love the water.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. I. I pray underwater, like, because, you know, evil. Evil can't access you underwater, you know.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Cat Williams]

A lot of people don't know.

[Theo Von]

Is that true?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. And that's why a baby, a child.

[Theo Von]

Is an amniotic fluid, huh?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Like water super powerful, like. Like a living being. I'm sure that soon in the future they will confirm for us that water is a sentient being. And that, you know, man, that's going to be.

[Theo Von]

If they do that.

[Cat Williams]

Well, that's why all throughout history there was always gods of water, just because it's such a powerful force.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. God is great.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I have a trouble out, I think I'm just not the best swimmer, man. I never. I don't like to swim cap either, you know. I never like putting that cap on. That just was not something that. That was my vibe, you know?

[Cat Williams]

What do you mean by not a good swimmer?

[Theo Von]

I just. I don't like it, man. I don't like being out in there. I'm kind of a land dog. I like being on land. I respect water too much. I think I get too scared in it. I just.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, that's it.

[Theo Von]

I get scared in it.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. You. You have to have a real respect for it no matter what. Like on a boat or regardless, like.

[Theo Von]

Yes.

[Cat Williams]

It's one of those crazy things that, you know, is beautiful and wonderful and it sustains life, but it has a thousand ways to kill you. And it. Yeah, it houses the scariest in the whole world.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I just get nervous.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. But what, what are you like in a Jacuzzi, though?

[Theo Von]

I'm pretty chill, I think. You know, I'm okay in a Jacuzzi, but even then, if nobody's around, I don't know. I just don't know if I trust myself or not. Not to. Not to like.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

If I. Even if I'm even driving through a long puddle, I. I'll look at my watch and make sure everything's all right, you know, I just get.

[Cat Williams]

But you had a drowning incident in your past.

[Theo Von]

I think I've just had some probably nervous experiences with it, man. We used to have a neighbor and this guy was probably. I don't know if you. He had like, one of them big bathtubs they had at their house. And they would. He would play. He would make us play Navy or something. He's probably a gay guy. But we didn't know. Right. But he would have us playing Navy.

[Cat Williams]

You have. You have more than six of those stories. So you can't. We're claiming it now.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, we had. Well, but he'd have his plate. But it was just like a lot.

[Cat Williams]

Of it was a guy looking in. Had you looking in buttholes. So I'm saying.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, we've had some wild neighbors, bro.

[Cat Williams]

Some of these guys were certain gay.

[Theo Von]

I don't know if they was.

[Cat Williams]

I don't know if they're not sure what they were. Where's your. Where's your. You just made it through all the gauntlets, like, as a participant.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, I'll. I put a juke on a nut sack. You know what I'm saying?

[Cat Williams]

Give me my $4.

[Theo Von]

Well, I get we grew up just Adam, but back then they had this in more pedophiles and wildness. I think back then, man, people wouldn't. Now it's all documented, you know?

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

But back then, it was just people was more. You know, I remember we had a guy they call. One basketball coach had been like, kind of tickling the kids a lot, right? And then the other guy called him and he said. He said, hey, if you keep that.

[Cat Williams]

So natural. That's so naturally, like, that's a thing that coaches can find the themselves dealing with.

[Theo Von]

He trying to get that three pointer out of you, bro. But they had. Yeah, just. But they called him and said, hey, they said, Mr. Sharp, you said, you can't. If you keep tickling a kid, you can't coach them no more. But that was it. There wasn't like a lawsuit or anything. It was just more, you know, stern activity. Don't do it. Don't do it like that. But we had. I mean, I don't. I don't know, man. What was that? What were we talking about? Oh, Jap swimming. People swimming, man. Yeah, I never. I think I just get too nervous in water. I just. I know it's too powerful. That's what I know. Yeah, I know. It's way more powerful than I am, man. Yeah, but it's so funny. You like? Yeah, because I could see you, man. I think sometimes if I think about you, I think about you. Like, I could see you having, like a show at a Sea World or something like that, you know, like, you know, What I'm saying, Matt, like a. The cat.

[Cat Williams]

No, it'll be a one night only, but still. Because I'm letting all down. I'm letting everybody out. This is wrong.

[Theo Von]

You free.

[Cat Williams]

Like I'm black. I'm not going to stand here in front of a prison and do a show.

[Theo Von]

You freeing all the black fish on everything.

[Cat Williams]

All the fish.

[Theo Von]

Every fish in the ocean, bro. Free Nemo, bro. Till it's backwards, man.

[Cat Williams]

I don't know what happened yesterday. Everyone's gone, dude.

[Theo Von]

If they had one. If they had one night though.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I'm talking a 5, $320 ticket. It's a pricey ticket, but it's a. Why not only cat Williams and the whales, baby.

[Cat Williams]

Right?

[Theo Von]

Cat, fish.

[Cat Williams]

I got you people.

[Theo Von]

It'd be unprecedented, man, you know.

[Cat Williams]

Indeed.

[Theo Von]

Indeed it would be unprecedented. People would love it, man.

[Cat Williams]

I think people are loving the fact that you're sharing new stories.

[Theo Von]

Thanks, man.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I like.

[Cat Williams]

So get back to the guy in his big bathtub.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, Roy was his name, right. And he ended up in the military. But at the time nobody knew that, you know, we were just children and he was. And he got a whistle or something. Somebody bought him a whistle. And so he would. He would just have us like do these like little games or whatever, you know.

[Cat Williams]

And.

[Theo Von]

And so I don't know if. I don't know if kids were violent during that or sometimes people would be aggressive or something. But I. I think maybe that made me nervous about water. My sister almost drowned one time. I thought she did drop. She didn't. But she almost drowned once. So I think just stuff like that, we would go swim in a river and there weren't a lot of lifeguards. So I think that's super scary because, you know, you get caught with a current or something. It's just real. It can be a lot. You know.

[Cat Williams]

Which river, the river we were at.

[Theo Von]

I think it was probably part of the Chafuncta, like a little tributary of it.

[Cat Williams]

Dirty water. Yeah. That's scary too.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. So just that kind of atmosphere, I guess maybe trying to think what made me so scared. And you know what? I don't know if I knew how to swim that great. Yeah. To funk the river. I don't know if I knew how to swim that great. To be honest with you. But yeah, I. I think, yeah, people could. I would love to see you do a water show of some sort one day if you ventured out to that sort of thing.

[Cat Williams]

I. I appreciate the fact that you're Giving me ideas of things that are unprecedented.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, be really cool, man.

[Cat Williams]

Nobody else has a water show. I love it.

[Theo Von]

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[Cat Williams]

I, I, I felt like everybody that.

[Theo Von]

I.

[Cat Williams]

Everybody in my work life lived in the Palisades. Mike. Yeah, it's, it's massive gut punch. Just the, the lives and economies of people that have been destroyed. But this is how life, this is how life operates. You know, it's, it's very humbling to, for there to be thousands of homeless millionaires, you know.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah. It's so surprising, man. I had a friend, I was talking to him, he said hey, do you want me to go to your apartment and get your I got a Jeep Cherokee out here so you want to go get it? Case of winds, change it. And I said I think it's going to be okay. And I said, what are you doing? He's like, I'm going to an audition. And it was just so wild that you had places that were completely disappear off the earth and then you have a guy who's going to an audition at the same time, you know, Just that there's so many things happening at once in this. It's like part of it is so affected and some of it is unaffected, you know, kind of just was a dichotomy.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, I feel that way every time I watch international news. You know what I mean? Just to. If you watch another country's news and see all of the stuff that they're going through that we never hear about or know about or. Yes, it's crazy. LA is just so massive of a city, you know, it's like a state.

[Theo Von]

Almost, in a way.

[Cat Williams]

Right. Like, LA is like a collection of 100 cities, you know, that make this.

[Theo Von]

That's a good point. Never thought about it like that.

[Cat Williams]

With Hollywood and Encino and Beverly Hills and all Compton, Gardena and Inglewood and Hawthorne and Torrance and the city of Manchester. And all of these places are fingers and lamp pieces of the body that is la. So there's no way for six or seven of those parts to be going through pain and the body to be okay. But by the same token, it has to be, you know what I mean? Like, if you break your finger, the rest of your fingers still got work to do.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

You know what I mean? Like.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Oh, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Mine. Yeah. Sometimes I think about what it would be like, like, if I were like another ethnicity, you know? You ever imagine, like that, like, if you was an Asian guy, like, if you could handle it. No I ever had dreams like that where you're Asian.

[Cat Williams]

I'm not sure if you have those when you're black. Like I'm saying, I. I was born black, so I was born a superior being, a superb specimen, if you will, as far as human creations are concerned. So I never wanted to be anything other than that. I wanted to know how other people felt. So I didn't.

[Theo Von]

But you never, like, thought, I want to be that.

[Cat Williams]

No.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

No. But maybe some of that is because I didn't think that was possible. Like. Like. Yeah, Like, I. I didn't. I didn't see it from a negative perspective. I saw it from a positive perspective.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Cat Williams]

You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Like. Like I'm in the driver's seat. I don't. Yeah, it'd be cool to be a passenger, but I'm. I like the Seat I'm in. That makes sense.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. I didn't think that. I didn't think that Chinese people were having more fun or doing better things or I thought they were doing different things and.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, they're doing fine.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. And I was interested in knowing what those were, but it never dawned on me that they might be better.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Cat Williams]

And I. I had. I had white friends that were admirable, but I. I didn't imagine being white, and I didn't think that they imagined being black, I guess, either. But you have a great imagination, which is what makes you world class, you know, like, you have to have that. Because I heard you tell the story of, you know. I know the stories.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I think. Because I think about that a lot, I guess, of what it would be like to be different ethnicities if I could handle it, you know, if I would think it was fun.

[Cat Williams]

I don't think that you would be as different from yourself as you or as a white guy as you imagine that you would be.

[Theo Von]

Oh, you would just be kind of the same, but just in different shapes. Right, right.

[Cat Williams]

What I'm saying is I don't. I don't think that you. You.

[Theo Von]

Because you think the thoughts and all are kind of the same, then you think like that.

[Cat Williams]

I'm almost certain. I'm almost certain that you, as a black guy are also not the norm. You're not. Yeah, you're. I could do it, I think kind of a singular. Yeah, you could. You can.

[Theo Von]

Okay. I would like, you know, if I've ever. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm trying to culture vulture or whatever, but I would like, if they ever give you. If they do, you know, if they let people. If I get to do reincarnation, I would put in an application.

[Cat Williams]

I know that. Okay, so let's. Let's work this out. Let's work this out. Because if reincarnation is real, you have some say in it, right?

[Theo Von]

That's right. Because you probably get to apply or talk to the manager.

[Cat Williams]

I'm saying there's nobody else's opinion that will be more valued than yours. Right. So let's decide. So. So where are you coming back? What do you want to. What do you want to try first?

[Theo Von]

Which ethnicity? You mean?

[Cat Williams]

Don't go right to black.

[Theo Von]

Okay, I won't. I'll wait. I'll wait. Yeah, I'll wait at least around or whatever. I will do. I don't know if I would. I do eight. I don't Asian seems so. It feels like you could. It feels easy to do, kind of. I hate to say that. It just seems.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, that's racist.

[Theo Von]

Sorry.

[Cat Williams]

No, it's okay.

[Theo Von]

Okay. Yes, I said it. Asian people. Oh, I would be. Mexican seems. Mexican seems cool. It's. You're kind of almost. You're like a little black or whatever, but you're also. You're just right.

[Cat Williams]

What was his name that came in your school? Oh, no, the first.

[Theo Von]

No, the kid. The first Mexican that we ever had in our school.

[Cat Williams]

Not Constantine.

[Theo Von]

No, Nicholas.

[Cat Williams]

Nicholas. Yeah. Right, Right. So you at least have some experience. Yeah. You know how you could show up, you know, and you could be a hero and.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Not get ahead of yourself. Yeah, Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I would go easy into it. I wouldn't let anybody know that I was. Had been there, that I was. It was my first time, you know, I think you'd have to be, because sometimes I believe you have first times as a human. Even, like, you meet some people and it's like, oh, this is this person's first time being a human. The soul, like, this is.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

This is a damn newborn, you know?

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

And then you meet some people, you're like, damn, this person is a sensei. This person has been.

[Cat Williams]

They've been here before.

[Theo Von]

They've been here before.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

But, yeah, I wouldn't go do black first, man. I wouldn't. Yeah, I would definitely keep that for, like.

[Cat Williams]

Or.

[Theo Von]

I would. Yeah, I would try. I would be. I would be honored to do it if they let me do it. That's how. What I would say.

[Cat Williams]

I. I don't. I don't speak for the entire delegation, but.

[Theo Von]

And I would do my best, man.

[Cat Williams]

We would be. That's out. Again, as a black guy, we would be honored to have you come through, apply our path. And the only reason I said don't do it first is just because there are certain things that go along with it that you just don't know how you handle it, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Until you got the dick of a horse, and then you just gotta figure this thing out. Like.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You got a parallel park. Even.

[Cat Williams]

Probably tougher, you know, everything is different.

[Theo Von]

A little bit different, I'm sure. But, yeah, it'd be. Yeah. I don't know if I'd go a lot if. Yeah, I would like to. Especially if I got to bring a friend. I would definitely do it, man. I could.

[Cat Williams]

You don't get to bring a friend. You make new friends with each of the. You see what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

Like, no, see, I want to just have safety, you know, Same reason I don't want to be in the water. You know, it's just when I feel risk, it makes me. I think it makes me feel nervous, you know?

[Cat Williams]

Right. But nervousness was created for that. That's. Nervousness is a good thing. You're. You're supposed to feel that, but that doesn't dictate whether you continue. And if you can get a hold of that understanding that nervousness doesn't mean stop. The yellow light doesn't mean stop. The yellow light means be cautious. Right. And so when you feel those nerves, understand those nerves mean, okay, don't fuck around, but you can still enjoy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cat Williams]

So we're going to get you closer to the water in 20, 25 and we're going to deal with some of these ethnic blockages.

[Theo Von]

Maybe.

[Cat Williams]

I don't think they're blockages. You're very open minded.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, thanks, man.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

They're not blockages.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, just you're not dealing with blockage. You're dealing with uncertainty as to who you are in the universe and whether or not you belong in the places you feel like you.

[Theo Von]

Man, that's interesting. That is kind of how I feel. Yeah. Because I'm always thinking of what this other thing would be like, kind of.

[Cat Williams]

Right, right. Because I never thought.

[Theo Von]

I never really thought about it like that.

[Cat Williams]

I don't believe this is your home planet, you know?

[Theo Von]

Do you believe that most of the people here that are living right now that this is their home planet?

[Cat Williams]

No. No.

[Theo Von]

So you feel like it's more that we're. We. You feel like we're maybe a species from somewhere else that's been kind of. That landed here or that God.

[Cat Williams]

All of the religions tell the same story and all of the stories are started up there and then end up down here and then continue. And there's a reason for that, I believe.

[Theo Von]

Do you feel like this is like a place we're supposed to learn something? Do you feel like it's a place that we're kind of just spending time.

[Cat Williams]

An experience, a destination? You and I are at an age where we remember when the video game experience wasn't what it is now, it was still a game, like Monopoly or something. You know where it is now? It's a whole different universe that you can live inside from your Xbox or your PlayStation. And in call of Duty, you're an actual soldier and you get kills and deaths and eliminations. And when you then cross over to the PGA game, you have your Actual golfer that looks like you and has the name you gave him and he's really gonna go out there and do this 18 on whistling straight. You know what I mean? Like. Yeah. Then I go and get in my podium one sim racer and I pick the car of my choice and an actual eraser so that those experiences located in that console, that's this experience here on earth that we're all able to share. And that's what would make that reincarnation possible. It just means, oh, yesterday I played that game and today I'm logging in this experience. And so yeah, certainly a universal college, if you will.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I forget I get caught up in the minutiae of things, you know, and I forget to kind of have this bigger breath of like this is an experience, it's not a sentence.

[Cat Williams]

An experience in which you're winning.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Cat Williams]

And an experience in which you're in a better position than others who have been in this same. You are excelling in a. In a life in which you very well could have turned out to be nothing.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Or another statistic or just another forgotten body in a ditch. And though those were the hazards. Right.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

And you, the OV made it through all of that and negated all of those horrific possibilities and are here in this position the best you've ever been. You know. And those are the facts. And if we tell ourselves more of the facts in our head, then we don't hear so much negative.

[Theo Von]

You know, if we try and just focus on telling ourselves the facts.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Of our. Of. Of how good we're doing. Like we're much too hard on ourselves.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah, Yeah. I feel that all the time, man.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I feel like I don't know any other way to be almost sometimes like not in a bad way. But yeah. I feel like it's. It's this constant sentence, you know, like you gotta. I feel like there's always been this to do list that I don't even make and it's just always been there. Does that make any sense to you?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

That's how I feel all the time.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

I got to do. You know, still have to prove it, you know, a constant of. Of approving this.

[Cat Williams]

All winners have that disease. It's self inflicted. It's for you. It's you doing that. And there's nothing wrong with that. Harsh management. It's what gets you to the point that you're at. But if you have animals, you know that a relationship doesn't do good with just control words. Just sit and stay. And there needs to be connection fostered. And treats are the best thing for learning, you know? And so treat yourself with those type of things as well. Like, don't forget to remind yourself of all of the people that you tell stories about and the fact that that was it for them, that little piece of the story you told. Like, they didn't get better. Like, they didn't then change some stuff and go, like, yeah, you did, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Do you feel like, who was like, a role model when you were growing up? Do you. Where do you think you got some of your own influences from? Do you think it was from people, like, actually humans in the world? Or do you feel like you had kind of like divine thoughts that came into your head or guidance? Like, where did that kind of stuff affect you, like, when you were younger?

[Cat Williams]

Do you feel like, I got it all from books? Like, I got it all from books?

[Theo Von]

What are you smoking, cat? Sir? Brother, you smoking? If it's not pot, I can smoke it, right?

[Cat Williams]

He said if it's not pot, I can smoke it. Yeah, it's for certain pot.

[Theo Von]

Oh, it is.

[Cat Williams]

Yes. Oh, damn, brother. Yeah, yeah, sorry. If you needed a cigarette, you could have.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I might have a cigarette with you, man.

[Cat Williams]

Sure. What you're getting ready to have is not even available in this place that we live in. I mean, California, Louisiana. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, they don't have Newports here.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, they're not allowed to do. Wow, Menthols. So racist.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's weird. You can burn down a whole town, but you can't have a Newport.

[Cat Williams]

Right, Right. And your blackness begins.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yes, sir. Sorry, was that it? I love that a lot.

[Cat Williams]

Yes, sir.

[Theo Von]

We had some cool black kids growing up in our area, bro.

[Cat Williams]

Right, right. Your basketball team picture is just so wonderful.

[Theo Von]

Oh, thanks, man. Cal Jackson on there. Don Galadis, he had a child. Number 34 of our basketball pitcher. We had a lot of good kids in there, man.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

Shout out. James Gray. His dad ran a car tire place. He was in there. There's Vincent.

[Cat Williams]

He got all the ladies.

[Theo Von]

Vincent, dude. And Johnny. That's big Johnny. He was damn, 11ft tall, baby. He had birds living on his shoulders, baby. He was up there. Look, we had a lot of cool kids in our area.

[Cat Williams]

That's how we know everything is perception for you, you know what I mean? Because you gave two whole different sizes for two niggas. That's the same size. You can see the same size in the picture. You know, he doesn't let that change his story. One of them was 7 foot 7. He was bigger than all the trees. The other one was six foot one. Here they are together, bro.

[Theo Von]

Johnny was so tall. He had windows on the side of his head, but he was tall, man. He was.

[Cat Williams]

No, you were kneeling down.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Countless stories. Yeah, that's true. You're right. I was kneeling down, man.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. But these. These experience, like, no matter what. Like that dude number 34. Like, we want to hear his stories.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Like, we know he's got stories and we want to know if he'll tell the stories. And the fact that that's what you do is why.

[Theo Von]

Well, thanks, man. Thanks for. Thanks for the nice words. I appreciate it. You do a great job too, man. Thank you for all the joy over the years. You just bought a military base, is that right?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, formerly Fort McClellan.

[Theo Von]

Fort McClellan. And was it an active base till recently, or.

[Cat Williams]

I think it decommissioned in 1999.

[Theo Von]

What's it like over there?

[Cat Williams]

Magnificent. Magnificent. It's going to be one of the greatest things that I personally have ever done. But it's. This is it. That's the front side of the beginning of the campus, which is 30 buildings.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Cat Williams]

Three million indoor square feet. Four and a half miles of roads. Like, you know, we got the. We got the best parts of the base. They had chemical testing and stuff. We don't have those parts of the base. That's the Department of Homeland Security. But, yeah, we just have a wonderful, blessed space at the foothills of the mountains. And it's really magical. And I was able to see what Tyler Perry was able to do with 2 or 300 acres and a military base.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's amazing.

[Cat Williams]

And how you could make a movie studio out of that. And so, yeah, we're. Yeah, I.

[Theo Von]

It's unbelievable.

[Cat Williams]

It hit the news recently, but I purchased it years. A couple years back. Yeah, I've had. So we've been working.

[Theo Von]

Was that a tough step to, like, take that, like, okay, we can get this and we can do this. Like, did you reach out Tyler Perry? Because I know he has, like, in Atlanta. He has an amazing space. He may have many spaces now. This was three years ago. I went to a space there to train for something and they were. It was unbelievable.

[Cat Williams]

No, no, no, I wasn't. I wasn't looking. Dinner now for assistance. Like, we can do this. I just needed to be able to have a home where great movies and entertainment product could be made without any of the shenanigans that are generally involved with Holly would. And be able to crank them out and that all it needs to do is be good. If it's good, we're going to make it. And so even though it might have appeared from interviews of me that, you know, this guy just loves tearing people apart, really. You know, we're trying to create something where it can provide a platform for a lot of people to show what they do. So.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, so it'll be a place where you can make other people's kind of dreams come true. Like with film, television. That's right.

[Cat Williams]

Right. Where you can just basically have a great script and a great cast and leave your troubles at the door and walk out with the movie.

[Theo Von]

Hell yeah.

[Cat Williams]

In the can, you know, I mean, like.

[Theo Von]

No, I like that. I like that. Doing things your. Yourself.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they'll. They'll let the comedy movie industry die if we allow it. You know what I mean? And nobody in the fan base ever said, hey, we don't want any more funny movies.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Nobody said that. None of the fans ever were like, hey, we're tired of laughing in the movies. Yeah, boo to the. No one ever said that. They just decided, you know, we make more money in the superhero action department. Let's just do all those.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

You know what I mean? And so it'll just take for somebody in the comedy sphere to start producing funny. And there we go again.

[Theo Von]

Do you already have projects kind of on tap?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, we got a slate. Well, I'm not allowed to really answer that question, but yeah, like, it's a great. It's a great location where it is, you know, like, it's an hour and a half from Atlanta or less. It's 45 minutes from Birmingham, you know, and I. I love that area. And they're so thirsty to be involved, you know, that we have equal thirst. So everybody wants it to work. And so it will. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Amen, dude. That's exciting, huh?

[Cat Williams]

It is, it is.

[Theo Von]

Will you have you kind of your hand in on most of the projects? Kind of like. Is that a weird question?

[Cat Williams]

That's kind of. It's kind of. It's kind of not necessary for how. For how it's set up. It's set up in much of the way the grocery store is set up. So my job is just to make sure that all of the food that we sell in this grocery store belongs in this grocery store. You see what I'm saying? Is it a good quality? Oh, we'll get it in there. The people will want to see that. Yeah, they'd love that. Yeah. The cherry plum.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

They'd love that, you know, and once that is, once that barrier is crossed, then we're just trying to make the best project for you and to make your smaller budget be able to compete with the larger budgets.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Because comedy, you don't need the really big budget either.

[Cat Williams]

It just needs to be funny. Yeah, it needs to be funny, but it also, it also can't be under budgeted, though. See, they can't.

[Theo Von]

It's got to be professional.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. It cannot look cheap, regardless, which means it can be, you know, and that goes to the equipment and to the lighting. And that's why you need hundreds of acres of space to be able to have all of, of what we're having. Like they're, they're building an amphitheater and, you know, we have sound stages and a whole auditorium and, you know, hell yeah. Yeah, it's. That's, that's pretty nice.

[Theo Von]

Instead of seeing if you have the cards, that's owning the deck really. You know, like instead of waiting to get dealt the cards, that's like saying we're gonna have. We're gonna. It's just saying you're gonna have. You're gonna make sure that things can happen.

[Cat Williams]

It's like you having a podcast. It's like, it's almost a no brainer. Like it makes sense.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

You know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Something you know, you can pull off. It's something that, you know, you're invested in. It's something, you know, you do well. You know, and so. Yeah, it's that part.

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[Cat Williams]

I have wives, but no.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, yeah. I'm a happy, happy man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Sometimes I thought. I've been thinking a lot about getting married, but I don't know if sometimes it's like an outside pressure that I feel or if it's just like something I would like to have that family, you know? Like that. You know, I think you always have like an idea of what a family is, you know?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

So sometimes I feel like that's something I want to try to make happen. You know, it seemed like it'd be.

[Cat Williams]

A real challenge, scared of marriage. But I. I was scared of divorce. Like, my. My parents didn't get divorced. My parents are still together.

[Theo Von]

Oh, wow.

[Cat Williams]

Like, so I. I never. I always felt like you only do this one time, you know? And I was always more happy of the bullets I had dodged and the people that, whoa, I thought I could have. I would have married her. Like I was ready to admit, you know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Then you'll see them years later and you're like, oh.

[Cat Williams]

You're like, oh, my God. So, yeah, happiness is what I'm after. Not titles or idealistic situations. Like, I just want to provide happiness and be provided that as well. And if you can get that situation, regardless of what it's called, that's gonna.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, maybe I Get too stuck on the. Yeah, maybe I sometimes do get too, like, feeling like I have to fill in the blanks as opposed to what do I really want to create.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

You know, like. Or being like, what if I didn't get married? What would people think? You know, sometimes I'll get that stuck in my head, you know? Yeah, I guess it's normal.

[Cat Williams]

But, yeah, like, I. Yeah, I. Like, I. I don't. I would hate to be put in a situation where I have to cheat on somebody. You know what I mean? And I kind of feel like, what was the point?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah. I don't want to set myself up for. That's a good point, too. I don't want to set myself up for a situation that would be uncomfortable for me or I would hurt somebody else feelings either.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. That's something I would not enjoy.

[Cat Williams]

But remember, as in your next life, you know, you got a black woman coming, so things are going to change.

[Theo Von]

Oh, Lordy.

[Cat Williams]

Things are going to change.

[Theo Von]

It's going to be something.

[Cat Williams]

It's going to be something.

[Theo Von]

God.

[Cat Williams]

Right?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I'm going to.

[Cat Williams]

Have you experienced a black woman?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, I haven't dated just a black lady.

[Cat Williams]

Wasn't. She wasn't our best representative?

[Theo Von]

No, I mean, there's a cute black lady I met at the airport that I would. That if I see her again, I would. I would. I think I would try to ask her out, but I haven't seen her again. But. But I would be open to dating a cool, cool black lady.

[Cat Williams]

Hold on. You know, hold on. Let's talk specifically.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Cat Williams]

About this one you're talking about.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, she just looked, like, really confident and nice smile and pretty eyes. And I was like, man, there's just something about her.

[Cat Williams]

Okay, all right. And she was where.

[Theo Von]

That I admired. She was working at the airport.

[Cat Williams]

Working at the airport. That's.

[Theo Von]

So she was a worker. She liked to work.

[Cat Williams]

She doesn't mind, like, hey, hey, they're beautiful. Which airport was this?

[Theo Von]

This is at lax.

[Cat Williams]

You bet it was.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. So she was TSA approved, too, you know, so.

[Cat Williams]

Right, right.

[Theo Von]

So, yeah, if I see her again, I would try to.

[Cat Williams]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're seeing her again.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Cat Williams]

We're seeing her again because you have this feeling already. You're only saying it like, well, you never know. I might not see. You're going to see her again. Absolutely. Because we. Yeah, you're gonna ask her out. Beautiful, fantastic. Oh, she might. No, she's not watching she might be watching.

[Theo Von]

I don't know.

[Cat Williams]

She might be watching.

[Theo Von]

Do you do that? You put things, like, into. Do you, like, do that? Like, speak things into existence type of thing?

[Cat Williams]

I'm not powerful enough to do that, but I don't ignore things that I see in existence. So what I'm saying is I'm not going to ignore the fact that you're not saying abstract. You know, if I saw a black woman that did something for me, I'd ask her out. No, you actively saw one. Yeah, yeah. And this is recent.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

And. And. And it's going to be life changing.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah. Are black women a lot different, do you think?

[Cat Williams]

Yes, yes. Like, yes. Like, you know black guys, right?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Black women are nothing like black guys. Like. Like, I. I don't want to put so much pressure on this lady at the airport, but. But she doesn't know we've had this conversation. No, no. Magnificent creatures. Okay. In slavery, black women were appreciated. You understand how difficult that is? Yeah, that's some hard shit to pull off.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

I hate you guys, but not all of you. Some of you are wonderful, precious beings. Yeah, yeah. That's. Black women are almost unreal only because what it is that they possess, they don't. It's not on purpose. Like, you know how we feel about people on the spectrum. Like.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, they're magic.

[Cat Williams]

Right. The reverence that you and I have for that community. Right. You're gonna feel that with black women.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Cat Williams]

Like, they're really where the word nurture comes from. From. You know what I mean? Like, the ability to give you something as a man that you never had before or felt before and make it comfortable for you to access that. Like. No.

[Theo Von]

Really?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Really. Life changing.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, man. Because I. Yeah. That. Yeah. This could be part of my 2025, man. It is.

[Cat Williams]

It clearly is.

[Theo Von]

Right, right, right.

[Cat Williams]

We've said.

[Theo Von]

Here we are. We've said it.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You had a lot of. Last year. You seemed like you had a lot of predictions last year. You kind of became this oracle last year. Did you feel that, that people came to you? They almost said. You almost became kind of like this, like a little bit of like a crystal ball, you know.

[Cat Williams]

I'm. I'm honored to get to say the things that I say when I'm saying them. And because you know that I operate from a positive first standpoint in all things. Like, I assume that it's going to work out for the best, and I understand that if it is for the worst, then I'm prepared to handle that as well. But yeah, it was something.

[Theo Von]

Did you start to worry any about your own safety and stuff? Because it seemed like you really had some moments where you're kind of, you know, almost channeling truce into the world. And some people don't like that, you know, some people don't want to. I mean, the dark side of things doesn't really probably enjoy that.

[Cat Williams]

Well, what it was that I was attempting to do was impossible. So before I do this interview, there is no Illuminati. It's just a joke. It's just something that crazy people talk about. There's no such thing as our side and God's side. None of that is even real. I gotta come and make it real. I have to come and say, no, no, no, no. Everybody's not the same there. So that's why when I said that, nobody came out and went, that's not true. I'm on God's side. Like, none of them, I, I, I'm just. The conversation was to show that there are spiritual things going on in the world and that there are things that are bigger than just coincidence and that a ritual is something that you do over and over and over again a certain way. You see what I'm saying? If part of the ritual is wearing a dress, then we should be able to look through entertainment and see all of these people being made to wear a dress. That's what a ritual is. You know what I mean? Like, whether they're white or black, that doesn't matter. There's, there's not other jobs where this is a requirement. Why is this.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Why is this so necessary? Yeah.

[Theo Von]

You don't see the dog catcher show up every, you know, every other year. I guess not in a nice skirt. Or you'll see an electrician.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

So come up in a blouse every now and then.

[Cat Williams]

Right. I'm saying a lot of people that doubt what you say don't read, and they haven't been readers. You know what I mean? Like, books were my life. Literally. I thought that I could learn enough information to be an important person, you know what I mean? So I'm actively trying to eat information. Like.

[Theo Von]

Do you have a favorite book?

[Cat Williams]

No, no, no, no, no. Like, even when I said how many books I read, like, people are thinking, maybe I'm reading 900 page. No, no. I'm reading 150, 200 page books. And I'm reading as many of them as I can because I'm trying to earn these pizza parties and these other weekly reader Things that exist. My parents don't even celebrate holidays. I gotta get my own gifts. I'm fitting to read myself into, into.

[Theo Von]

A T shirt and a personal pan piece. Yeah. Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Right. So, so, so I got those books and then I got the ones I'm trying to learn from.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

You know, and those are separate. But what was your question?

[Theo Von]

Do you have a first book that you remember reading like, or one that got read to you when you were a kid or something you really liked? Like, like a book that set it off for you that was like, oh.

[Cat Williams]

I, I read the Bible first. That's 66 books. So, so yeah, it kind of was my starting point in book reading. But it, it's a, it's not set up like a book technically. It's very disjointed. Oh yeah. So I found that everything else I read was an easy read, you know what I mean? Like, I, I loved reading all of the classics because I felt like I was literally in this story, you know what I mean? And I could read multiple books at once and you know, I, I, I was completely in throw with reading.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah? Yeah. Just the idea of being able to take myself into a different place, you know, it was like, and it really, I mean, words were really just fuel for your imagination. It's like that's how you would get your head going, you know?

[Cat Williams]

Right. But I didn't want to use my imagination. I wanted this imagination. You see what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

Oh, you wanted the information.

[Cat Williams]

I wanted to know what Huckleberry Finn and I wanted to know what they were doing. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I wanted the adventures, you know what I mean? Like I was reading everything, Nancy Drew mysteries, like, everything. Like anything I could get my hands on. The Hardy Boys. Like I'm, I'm reading that and yeah. So so many different stories that you get. You start understanding what it takes to, for someone to be a winner in life, you know, and you find out from reading thousands of books that if you can list the fucked up things that have happened in your life and you can put that on a list and you somehow made it past all of this to be in a position where you can still go make some stuff happen, that's what you have in common with every hero of every story, of every autobiography of every. Is that, yeah. Is how much happened to you that should have broke you, that did not break you so that you were able to then fucking ride.

[Theo Von]

Amen.

[Cat Williams]

Amen.

[Theo Von]

Did y'all. Yeah. I'm trying to think of Some of my favorite books when I was a kid. I don't even remember when I was young. Where the Red Fern Grow. We had to read all kind of. They had one book. They kept killing this dog in it. I felt so bad for him.

[Cat Williams]

How many times can you kill a dog?

[Theo Von]

I mean, they kept. That thing was really dead. I don't remember that. I don't know who wrote that, but I think Stephen King wrote it. But that was dead, bro. After the second chapter, I said, this bitch is dead.

[Cat Williams]

Only I think I only read one book he ever did because, like. Because I couldn't. I couldn't read his books without going, hey, dude, whoever writes like this is a demon. Like. And then he always had his picture on the back. And he looks scary. Like.

[Theo Von]

Ah, yeah, he looked like he owned a bunch of ravens or something, that dude. Yeah, everybody. He had one book that. And the animals was kept being alive and dead.

[Cat Williams]

Edgar Allan Poe was.

[Theo Von]

He was.

[Cat Williams]

Women too.

[Theo Von]

Bring up, bring up some of his ladies. He had Edgar Allen Poe's girlfriend. He had a flock at the end. You know, I think he used to live in Virginia, you know that Edgar Allan Poe. Click on a couple of his dimes. He had. Look at these broads right here. Yeah, just click on one of them. Damn.

[Cat Williams]

Edgar Allen right there, baby.

[Theo Von]

You tell him, oh, shorty won a.

[Cat Williams]

He was a clear pedophile.

[Theo Von]

Come on, man.

[Cat Williams]

He was a clear pedophile. She looks nine.

[Theo Von]

Hey, run.

[Cat Williams]

It says she. She died when she was 24.

[Theo Von]

She had tuberculosis.

[Cat Williams]

That's how he liked him.

[Theo Von]

That's how he liked him.

[Cat Williams]

Oh, now she's cute.

[Theo Von]

Oh, she. Oh, no.

[Cat Williams]

Come on now.

[Theo Von]

Right there. Frances, baby. Foster mother. Whatever. Damn, bro, why you helping me out? Fire.

[Cat Williams]

These were supposed to be his hoes. This is his family members.

[Theo Von]

Whatever. We got our research department now. What about right there, Virginia? Clem, baby, That's. That's a girlfriend, right?

[Cat Williams]

And that. That was the. I'm saying even today that. That's heavy filters. That was her looking good at any age right there. That particular pose.

[Theo Von]

Okay, I admit, you had to be.

[Cat Williams]

A virgin to show that much. Next. She was like, no one has ever. Yeah, pretty good. But what about her, though? Oh, wow.

[Theo Von]

Let me see. Sarah Helen Whitman, a professional writer who met Edgar through the literary circles in New York.

[Cat Williams]

Fellatio.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Otherworldly. That's the original Hawk Tour. Sarah Helen Whitman, she get those curls going. Oh, you're gonna love it.

[Theo Von]

Bounce, bounce, bounce.

[Cat Williams]

Milk it. Sarah Milk, right?

[Theo Von]

She'll slurp you back to Saturn right there, man.

[Cat Williams]

And then just wait a minute. Why does Zuckerberg come? Are they. Oh, geez.

[Theo Von]

I don't know why they brought him up.

[Cat Williams]

You have genius here.

[Theo Von]

Oh, we have the new hair. Yeah, he has a new hair. What do you think about a lot of these. What do you think about a lot of these social media sites controlling how people communicate? What do you think about that, Mike? You fear that kind of stuff.

[Cat Williams]

If it exists, it will be controlled and regulated.

[Theo Von]

That's just a fact.

[Cat Williams]

Whatever it is, that's the game. The game is to how quick can we get this new thing controlled and regulated? Right? And we. We are counting on them to provide this platform that we use to communicate on. Right?

[Theo Von]

So, you know, so it's a trade.

[Cat Williams]

Off, always has been. I'm saying the. If we understood that the Internet itself is a government function, then how much privacy would you expect?

[Theo Von]

Right, right. At that point, we're almost the fools for pretending that we would still have it. Privacy. Yeah, right.

[Cat Williams]

I'm saying, do you feel like in.

[Theo Von]

Hollywood that there are, you know, I've heard you kind of allude to the fact that there's like, kind of darker forces that kind of like, you know, that present opportunities to people in trade off? Right. In trade for their own. Maybe their own peace, maybe their own reality, maybe a sacrifice of the actual direction that they want. Do you think that really happens, that kind of stuff?

[Cat Williams]

I think everything is controlled and regulated.

[Theo Von]

You think there's ever ways where we can get to the control room and see who's controlling? Or you think that's all.

[Cat Williams]

We're past that. We're past that. But we don't protect the whistleblower. Right. We don't honor the scout that would tell us who it is. Matter of fact, when they get him, we're gonna go, ah, I could have told you that was gonna happen. They're telling too much truth.

[Theo Von]

Do you think Hollywood has a lot of things that they, like, hold against people? You know, like, I had a theory.

[Cat Williams]

That a lot of this is human nature.

[Theo Von]

Right. So it's not even Hollywood. It's just human nature.

[Cat Williams]

It starts as human nature, right? Like I'm saying, this is in this. These things that I'm saying in Hollywood exist in religion circles, in politics, in the medical profession, and like. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

In any circle of business, really.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

They had a big bus with Puff Daddy where he got arrested, and then they've had, like, accusations and stuff. He hasn't gone on trial, I don't think yet. But do you think that they. There's been speculation that they did that because they. The timing of that was they wanted to, like, use other people that have allegedly been involved in some of his circles to. They wanted to kind of use, like, okay, you could be next unless you help this political plan. Do you think that's at all possible?

[Cat Williams]

That's how all cases are handled. Yeah, Right. So what am I saying? I'm saying if it's car theft and we're going to accuse you of having a carjacking ring. Right. We're going to begin by bringing in people that we caught who were robbing cars, who said that you was the boss there first in line. And then we're going to bring in victims, the people whose cars you stole and said, yeah, that was him. That's how they build a case. So none of that should be shocking.

[Theo Von]

You don't put it past them.

[Cat Williams]

It's part of what an investigation is.

[Theo Von]

But do you feel like they would say to someone, okay, we're going to bring you in, Unless.

[Cat Williams]

Absolutely. That's what they do.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Even, like, in the rap world, like, all of the rappers that, you know that never been to jail and never, never gotten any trouble with the law, but they talk as if their life is opposite of that. Like, those are federal informants.

[Theo Von]

Like, you know, you think they're really out there.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, yeah. That's part of the job, is to acquire those. It's like saying, you know, if you're playing chess, do you have any pawns? You have to, don't you. You can't start without them.

[Theo Von]

Right?

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

Wow. Right, man. How do you know who is. That's part of the game? Huh? You don't know.

[Cat Williams]

It'S part of the game.

[Theo Von]

It kind of makes it exciting, too, when you think about it.

[Cat Williams]

It can be exciting and depressing. Mm.

[Theo Von]

Did you ever do a rap album?

[Cat Williams]

Yep. You did Several.

[Theo Von]

I didn't know that. I'm sorry, man. I didn't. I didn't research that.

[Cat Williams]

No problem. I didn't put them out.

[Theo Von]

Oh.

[Cat Williams]

You asked me, did I do them. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Who did you have some collabs on them with? Anybody? Do you have somebody help you produce some stuff? Master P, maybe? Anything like that?

[Cat Williams]

Sure. He would be honored that of all people, you, name dropped him.

[Theo Von]

I just take it as somebody from Louisiana.

[Cat Williams]

Right. What a blessing.

[Theo Von]

When I was in college, he said they had. It was like master. It was like silk. The shocker. Like, that whole cabal was really, really vibing. Right?

[Cat Williams]

Yes.

[Theo Von]

So they used to have All. They would all come to LSU and play at the basketball courts and they would have these guys who would stand on the side and hold their clothes. And they were dressed like kind of Native Americans, like almost like black Indians kind of. And some of them would have on like little headdresses and stuff. And they would have them all holding their clothes and shoes on the side of the court. It was a vibe, man.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. All. All through that period of time. That whole no Limit empire was really, really magnificent to the fan base. Like, they really went the places where people wanted to see them and delivered a show like we weren't used to because there was so many acts.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, they had a lot of the.

[Cat Williams]

Whole group, you know what I mean? Like, there was.

[Theo Von]

They had.

[Cat Williams]

They all came together and like. Like put on a show that was just unbelievable in all venues. It was extraordinary to watch.

[Theo Von]

Did you ever tour with the. With a rap? Did you ever. Because sometimes you'll have like musicians and rappers kind of. Or musicians and comedians tour together.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, you have.

[Theo Von]

I just didn't know some people like that. Some people don't.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, I. I have. Lil Mo on has been on our tour probably for the last three or four years. And the lady of Rage as well comes out. Music is a wonderful partner to comedy, you know, and we try to use that. Music and comedy are interspersed in my life, so it's always a part of my set. And yeah, I'm a huge music fan.

[Theo Von]

Are you all instrumentalist? You play anything?

[Cat Williams]

No, no, no. I play nothing. And I cannot sing. Can't sing, can't play anything. Which makes me one of the greatest music listeners, you know what I mean? Yeah, like, that's what I like and I. And I like immerse myself, you know, Like. Like there's. There's like albums that represent like whole periods of my life, you know what I mean? Like. Like the album Counting Crows, August and.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah, everything after down up in New Amsterdam.

[Cat Williams]

Like, I know every song, every beat, every word. Like because of where I was at the time. And then. Pearl jams.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. 10 at home drawing pictures of mountain tops yeah.

[Cat Williams]

With him on top. Like, you know what I'm saying? Because I was listening to stuff that it made me feel like. Like they're really singing about me.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Like how I think or feel some moment.

[Cat Williams]

All of it. Like. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Remember Shy? Remember that group came out and if I ever fall, remember them. I can't sing either.

[Cat Williams]

You did pretty good. Thank you, bro.

[Theo Von]

Appreciate it.

[Cat Williams]

They look me proud.

[Theo Von]

They were good, bro.

[Cat Williams]

They were they were good, but that was a great time for music, all genres, you know what I mean? Like, good music was just good music. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

I remember one of them trying to think of one of the first. Oh, I went to a guy, Green Day.

[Cat Williams]

You gotta make a great black guy.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. And they had Tevin Campbell. Remember him? Can we talk, right, for a minute?

[Cat Williams]

Tevin Campbell.

[Theo Von]

Girl, I want to know your name. I'm like, just go talk to her then.

[Cat Williams]

No, like, tell the truth. When we saw him and we heard this all, we were like, are you sure you want to talk to her?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cat Williams]

No wonder you're so trend.

[Theo Von]

That's true, that's true. That's true. That's true.

[Cat Williams]

Right?

[Theo Von]

The sequel. The sequel to that song was a surprise. We'll just say, like that, man. The sequel was a surprise. Good time though, right? That was a good time.

[Cat Williams]

It was a good time. When was that?

[Theo Von]

That was late 90s, I think. Did you ever get to meet Michael Jackson before?

[Cat Williams]

No, I got to meet Prince.

[Theo Von]

You did?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Did you ever get to go bike riding with him or anything like that?

[Cat Williams]

Who's that?

[Theo Von]

Prince?

[Cat Williams]

I think bike riding may been the only thing we. Yeah, no, no, I don't. He wasn't doing bike riding. He had. Had an experience. So when I meet him, I'm 12, I guess he's 18, 19.

[Theo Von]

Oh, you met him? You were 12?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, I know him. I knew him my whole. I'm saying, from 12 till he left. That was. I knew him the whole time. Like, yeah, he was a magnificent, one of a kind individual. Like, I got to. He. He lived different lives. Like, he wasn't where we are, and we're talking about how we need to, you know, reinvent and. And he was like the master at that. You know what I mean? Like, he was only going to be this version of himself for a very short amount of time until he had mastered it, and then he was gonna go to something else.

[Theo Von]

And he always had that energy, huh?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. From that. Yeah, yeah, he was. Yeah. But. But when I met him, he was already a millionaire. And so I. I couldn't initially understand what kept driving him, you know, because it seemed to me like he was never happy because every time I would see him, he had achieved like 30 new things and had purchased like a hundred new things, and still, yet he was working. Like, he didn't, you know.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

And I probably was just not understanding what work ethic was, you know? But, yeah, I learned a lot from that guy. I met Shaq, when I was 16.

[Theo Von]

Damn.

[Cat Williams]

Where at you think I know where in Orlando is? Rookie year.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Because he played at lsu, man.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Great guy. Great guy. Be shy. Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Dude, if I was that big, I couldn't get my big ass out of bed at that size size, man. It'd be so hard, you know? Hard. Because sometimes it's kind of hard, even a regular size to you.

[Cat Williams]

I believe that, dude.

[Theo Von]

You know how hard it is to get a big old look at it right there.

[Cat Williams]

It's so hard to get up when you big, right?

[Theo Von]

I watch my aunt get up sometime. Like, she ain't gonna get up. You know what I'm talking about? You ever see a somebody and you're like, she ain't gonna get up.

[Cat Williams]

That's when.

[Theo Von]

And they figure it out.

[Cat Williams]

When all of the places were catching on fire. That was my first thought, was like, Nobody on my 600 pound life is gone. Make it out of none of this. Like what?

[Theo Von]

Like, yeah, that show is over, bro.

[Cat Williams]

Like, there's a whole portion of the population that can't get up. Like, everybody's like, evacuate. Somebody just in the bed. I did. I did evacuate.

[Theo Von]

They evacuate. They just look the other way. That's. That's their. Evacuate. Just lean away from the warm.

[Cat Williams]

Flip the pillow, man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Did you. What did you and Prince do? Do y'all ever go to eat or nothing? Like, what did he like to do? He. Because he's.

[Cat Williams]

No, so, like, you know how some people have chefs? Like, he was beyond that. Like, he. He wanted. He. He wanted chef. A chef to know what he was preparing. Like, I don't know how to explain it, but, like, he wasn't vegan the whole time I knew him, you know, he was just vegan for this portion. And. But before that, he had a whole different thing, but he was. He would have an Italian chef to make Italian when that's what he was having. And he like to the extreme music. Right? Yeah. So, you know, you. You would get the most beautiful meals around this dude because he. He was a foodie.

[Theo Von]

So, you know, damn, I'd love to watch him eat a little. Eat a little snack or something. Little creme brulee or a little big scoop ice cream. I'd love to see that. Because he was kind of smaller, wasn't he?

[Cat Williams]

I'm. I'm 5 5. So it never really factored in.

[Theo Von]

Oh, you bigger than him, I think.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, but. But I'm saying I wasn't gazing at him while he was eating. Yeah, we always had enough women around for.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Cat Williams]

I wasn't there in a longing fashion.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, sorry. It's like a. Watch. A small person, if they get up against a. Like a real hard scoop of ice cream, they can't handle that, you know?

[Cat Williams]

No, no, I. I didn't get it. Yeah, get. Rewind that again. Somehow I missed that, and I can't accept it.

[Theo Von]

No, I. No, I just sometimes if somebody, you know, I know, like if I get up, if. If it's a real cold scoop of ice cream and it's. It's hard to, you know, get with a spoon or something, I just imagine like a smaller guy battling that. Battling that, bro. Just. I can't. Oh, so that's why.

[Cat Williams]

Acknowledge how funny that I just want.

[Theo Von]

To envision in my head, Prince just got two or three spoons going on that bit.

[Cat Williams]

He gonna get in there, he'd have whooped your ass.

[Theo Von]

He probably would. And blessings, man.

[Cat Williams]

I had to pull him off, man.

[Theo Von]

He's a purple superhero. And he is the king, man, in real life. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I. I'm just joking. Prince, if your spirit is here, I'm sure it is.

[Cat Williams]

It is indeed. Yeah. And he had a great sense of humor.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I saw him stop in. I was in Minneapolis. They used to have this place called Trying to think of.

[Cat Williams]

And he got more than you, did he? Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, of course he did. What the am I talking about? Yeah, it took me half a second to realize that. Yeah, of course he did. Damn, boy. Yeah. Well, no, they had a place, though, that he would go perform sometimes on a certain night, it was in Minneapolis, and a lot of musicians would just show up. And when I showed up there, man, and it was amazing. It was just random. Random people would get together and play.

[Cat Williams]

But no, he loved that probably more than anything else. Like, he loved that more than touring. He loved that more than anything is jam sessions. And he. He had places all over the globe and he was welcomed at. I'm saying, you talking about a guy that played 26 instruments. You see what I'm saying? Like, we're talking about a guy that like most people. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Just magical.

[Cat Williams]

If you couldn't learn from what he did, then you just pass learning, you know what I mean? Like, the resonates, regardless of what it is you're trying to do.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Cat Williams]

And so, yeah, I was blessed to.

[Theo Von]

Even be around him. Huh?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Yeah. Just to be able to witness a short, young black guy navigate the highest echelons of entertainment and still be holding on to things that he doesn't do and won't do and still feeling like he needs to look out for other musicians and other artists and still try not to bring shame on his fans or other black people or music lovers or, you know, just a wonderful human, you know, that's what you can learn.

[Theo Von]

Now, I feel bad about making that joke, but I feel okay still. I mean, I feel you should. It's okay.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

I'm just joking.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. But did. When you were growing up, do you ever have, like, a tv. Like a. Like a TV father kind of, you know, like, I had, like. I'm trying to think of, like. Just trying to think of, like, influences that you had when you were young. Like, I had, like, Little House on the Prairie was a show I would watch that they had. Michael Landon was on it, and then they had, like, in the Heat of the Night. I really liked that show.

[Cat Williams]

Now, wait a minute.

[Theo Von]

I'm trying to.

[Cat Williams]

Who was the father figure on in the Heat of the Night? Oh, was the black guy your father figure?

[Theo Von]

Who, Virgil Tibbs.

[Cat Williams]

Virgil Tibbs was that brother?

[Theo Von]

He was good. I will tell you this. I met his wife. Had a. Or not his wife, but the lady that played. Yes, that's her right there. Virgil. And Sophia was his wife in the show?

[Cat Williams]

I think she was way smaller than you thought. Right.

[Theo Von]

She was very beautiful. And I saw her at a breakfast place, and I was like, I cannot go back in there and tell her. And I did. And it was. She. I think she kind of appreciated, but it was still pretty awkward, I think. But she's very beautiful. But, yeah, I like him. And Carol O'Connor was in it, but in the Heat.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

That was good. I love that. What else did I like? Trying to think of a show where I had, like, a TV dad. Did you have, like, a TV family or someone that you kind of liked.

[Cat Williams]

As a black man? I had a real father, so I wasn't looking at TV for the images of a real good black father, because I had one. You know what I mean? So, for me, it was a little interesting just to see how other fathers were portrayed, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

I more enjoyed, like, seeing the dynamics of their families and how things went for them, because that's the only way that I knew. Oh, I don't have that type of upbringing at all. Wow. That's. Yeah. Like. Yeah, I. I didn't. I didn't even know my mother was supposed to love me. Like, I didn't know that was.

[Theo Von]

Sorry.

[Cat Williams]

Laugh, man. She's never kissed me in My life. I didn't. I didn't know she was supposed to like me. Like, sorry. She made sure I ate. I had clean clothes, but I'm saying I didn't.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you. It have been shocking. If I. Oh, my mom was always working. I. I would be like, mom, tell me you love me. She'd be like, I got to move this box over here. That's what she would be like. I'm like, mom, how do you feel about me? She's like, oh, we got to put all these boxes away. She always had something to do, you know, like, if feeling came up, my mom just couldn't have it, you know? No, I love you, Mom. I'm just. It's funny now. It's funny, right?

[Cat Williams]

But now you can.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Was ridiculous, though. I was like, mom, how do you feel about me? She's like, we got to get this car to start. Like, what the are you talking about?

[Cat Williams]

There's a vacuum, Right?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. That was it. That's what I think. That's what I always was looking for for me.

[Cat Williams]

But these are the things that guarantee success. That's what I'm telling you.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

It's part of what's on that list that, you know, you got certain things against you. You're gonna be successful, right? Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna be in a position where you can rectify things. You know that you're way more appreciative of love because of that. You're. You're in a position where you can still be loved, you know, by the black lady at the airport.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

20, 25.

[Theo Von]

My. My little layover lady. Call him a little layover. I've seen you. This is something that I thought. There's only two things that I think that I've seen, and I'm not sure. One of them was that Santa Claus when I was a kid that they brought us outside and they had a real sleigh go buying the air. It was an airplane that they disguised as a sleigh in our town. The second one is I thought I saw you riding bikes down Sunset Boulevard.

[Cat Williams]

Right. So now, the funniest part of all of that true story is because all of your stories are true. Right. But the whole thing is when you're telling this story, we ride by on these bikes with lights on them.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Like from the future.

[Cat Williams]

Circus members.

[Theo Von]

Really?

[Cat Williams]

Really. This is a million and a half dollars worth of Can Am spiders. Eight of them, 200, 000 a piece. Mia. Suge. Going down Sunset. Oh, yeah.

[Theo Von]

I didn't see Those. Man, I'm sorry. I saw some. Somebody covered them bitches.

[Cat Williams]

Cat Williams came by and. With a Shetland pony. He had neon lights on the hooves.

[Theo Von]

Somebody spray painted silly String on the.

[Cat Williams]

Back of that with a violin. Start playing.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I swear to God, I'm standing on the porch, I look over there, right? And you had done one of those things where you stand up but keep. You know, I'm saying, it's just, you know, when you're riding down the street.

[Cat Williams]

I'm 5 5, so I do that better than most.

[Theo Von]

Okay. And I said, damn, there he goes, bro.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

And by the time I get anybody's attention, nobody believed me. So that's why I think it had a lot of that same like. Like when you saw Santa, you know, type of energy.

[Cat Williams]

Right. Well, understand I didn't take away from the myth I just clarified.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, no. Good. Because I thought I was crazy for thinking that.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

What do you see happening in 2025, Cat? This is where we get to where, like, what do you feel like? What do you feel like are things we can look forward to, things we can stay conscious of. Can I bump another cigarette by chance? Man, you got an extra on you?

[Cat Williams]

Absolutely. Let's do it. Yeah. So let me get that.

[Theo Von]

Get my lungs up.

[Cat Williams]

We're already in 2025, aren't we?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

So you right already.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. See there? So the whole thing is we're not. This. This. This thing does not happen in yearly cycles. Like, it's not a every 12 months thing. It's not how it works. So the age of truth is not one year. It's. It's the beginning of people having more of a thirst for what is true than an appetite for lies. So if you sell lies, it's a harder road for you if you have truths to tell. People are hungry for that, and they'll pay you handsomely to hear the truth. Wasn't always that way. It's that way right now, in real time, whatever that means to you. That's the battle that's going on. There's people who profit from the manipulation of others by getting you to believe something that's not the case. And that's how they make their living. And it is now a difficult time for those entities.

[Theo Von]

Do you think that there is actual cloning going on?

[Cat Williams]

We have. We know that there's actual cloning going on. The question I believe you're asking is human cloning?

[Theo Von]

Oh, yes, sir.

[Cat Williams]

But let's start with the real question. The real question is, is cloning going On.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, it is.

[Theo Von]

I knew it.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Well, I'm saying let's just say animal cloning.

[Theo Von]

Oh, right. Yes.

[Cat Williams]

Let's start there. That. That's not a myth or.

[Theo Von]

No, that's been.

[Cat Williams]

That's not a conspiracy theory that we are at the point where we have no problem cloning animals. If you lose a pet, you can send away to these companies and they.

[Theo Von]

Will remix that and send it back.

[Cat Williams]

Right?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

As close a proximity as you can imagine.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Right. That we know is possible. Okay.

[Theo Von]

So now through Biogen Pets, right there.

[Cat Williams]

So that's in the animal world. So now in the human world, we know that there are multiple surgeries that we know we can replace this with that. All the way up to. What's our last achievement? Is it heart? The guy passed away with a pig heart. But it worked for. I'm saying.

[Theo Von]

Let me see that. Bring up that pig hearted guy right there.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Two.

[Theo Von]

Two people have received a genetically modified pig heart transplant. David Bennett and Lawrence Fausette both were performed in Maryland.

[Cat Williams]

So there. There's not the evidence. Is there very much left on what it would take as far as abilities go?

[Theo Von]

So do you think there's any artists now that you think are not the same artists that we thought they were?

[Cat Williams]

If we're only speaking of biology. I've heard that a man's G spot is in his anal passage, which means I'm gonna go my whole life without ever experiencing it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

By the same token, everybody is a reflection of what they got to go through to get to where they at. Right. And I just know that the people that have been in positions where they decided to do some stuff that they said they weren't going to do, they don't be the same on the other side. Nothing they can do can make them seem like what you remember them as. Have you ever call it spiritual? Because I don't know what else to call it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Have you ever faced that in your own life where they. Where people try to come at you for offers like that? Do you think that like stars and get offered that kind of thing? Like to compromise themselves sexually for entertainment.

[Cat Williams]

Again? The things that we are discussing exist in each of the fields.

[Theo Von]

Right. Any field.

[Cat Williams]

Right? Right. Not entertainment, exclusively. Politics, religion, science, everywhere. Right. Some of this is human nature. Right? Right. Because we listen and we don't judge.

[Theo Von]

Were there things that you didn't take in your career that you feel like were like. Like, are there things to look out for? Do you feel like.

[Cat Williams]

Like there wasn't for me Because I knew I wasn't going to take it. But I did want to get offered.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

You know what I mean? And most of the stuff I wouldn't have believed until I had to get to a certain level to get to see the proof, you know what I mean? So I was as shocked as anybody about how powerful Harvey Weinstein was at the time that I was meeting with him and how I had. How he could not be told no. That he get whatever he want. You follow what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

They'll figure out some way.

[Cat Williams]

Right. So I thought that didn't apply to me because I don't care about none but bitches in good business. Right. And then he offered me two actresses like they was playing cards. And I was like, what?

[Theo Von]

Like, he just gelted.

[Cat Williams]

He was like, I know. You damn right.

[Theo Von]

Like, what, some aces?

[Cat Williams]

No, my personal aces.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Did you think about it?

[Cat Williams]

Look, I'm not in these scary situations. I don't even leave it up to me. Like, I'm gonna do what the superhero would do in this part of the movie regardless, and deal with what happens after. Yeah. Just because it's a story and I know it's a story. Right. It's my story. You know what I mean? So I can't.

[Theo Von]

That's a good way to think about things in general.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

What would the superhero do right now?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Because I'm saying I read about Jesus getting to the mountaintop and the devil saying, you can have all of this, and him saying, you don't have anything to offer me. Like, you know what I mean? So that's what I got to look up to. So I'm gonna follow suit in the best version I can, regardless of anything else.

[Theo Von]

Do you have a comedian that passed away that you really like that you miss a lot? I mean, I know there's been a lot of them, but did you have.

[Cat Williams]

Like, a scary say, I missed so many.

[Theo Von]

Like, did you have, like, a brother in comedy?

[Cat Williams]

Like, I miss so many.

[Theo Von]

I Like, what was Bernie Mac like? Was he a super guy? Because I never seen anybody like him.

[Cat Williams]

That's a great place to start. No, you never saw anybody like him. Just because there wasn't anybody like him.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

You know what I mean? Like, the things people pretend to do and talk themselves up to be. And he was that already. Yeah, I. I went down to his show when he was taping, and they were saying he wasn't feeling good. And I left there feeling like they're. They're murdering this dude. Like, he. He had a Lung problem. Right. And the doctors told him that he just had to take time away from the show and he could come back when he was okay. Right. And his contract wouldn't let him. Oh, yeah. And they made him work through, like. Yeah, yeah. But I miss. I miss all of the comedy angels that I came in contact with from. From Charlie Murphy to Heavy D. I miss Heavy D. John Witherspoon.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

You know, like, we lost some really great comics. I miss Ronaldo Ray. I miss. Yeah, it's been a lot.

[Theo Von]

Bring up a picture of Ronaldo Ray. I'm just not familiar with them, just so I can see what he looks like. Oh, yeah, yeah. Was. Didn't he. Didn't he play in the Cosby Show? Was he the grandfather?

[Cat Williams]

He was a brilliant, brilliant individual. Like, he. He had multiple master's degrees and was an art collector and a real legendary guy. Reynaldo. Yeah. What other.

[Theo Von]

What about Bill Cosby? You ever get to meet him or not before he had all the problems?

[Cat Williams]

Is being a rapist one of the problems?

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, sorry.

[Cat Williams]

You said it, like, before he got scurvy.

[Theo Von]

Sorry, bro. That was. Yeah, that wasn't. That was. Yeah, I did. But, yeah. What was he like before that, man?

[Cat Williams]

Right, right. I don't know. I don't know. He. He comedically, like. He has some works comedically that you could put up there in the pantheon of joke telling.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yes. He had so many albums when I was a kid that, like, our parents would play in the car, stuff like that.

[Cat Williams]

Right. And he spent a good portion of his televised career really making black men and black families look really good in a time when that was not a popular thing to do. None of that supersedes rapist.

[Theo Von]

No.

[Cat Williams]

But, yeah, I was. I was glad to not be a fan of his just because, you know, we liked Richard Pryor and you had to kind of like, which way are you. Are you Richard Pryor, Red Fox, or are you Bill Cosby?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, That's. That's definitely different. Then what else is going on?

[Cat Williams]

Please don't have a R. Kelly question. Next.

[Theo Von]

I do not have an R. Kelly question.

[Cat Williams]

No.

[Theo Von]

No, I don't. Did you ever. Did you get to go to Bernie Mac's funeral? Did he have a big funeral?

[Cat Williams]

Steve Harvey was at his funeral, so I wouldn't have been there anyway.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. What else? I'll be able to tell you when you're. When you're black.

[Theo Von]

Okay. Okay. I feel like I'm not doing that good right now on it.

[Cat Williams]

You're doing great.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Cat Williams]

What do you mean?

[Theo Von]

Thanks, man. Did you get. Was it scary for you to be a parent whenever you decided you wanted to be a parent?

[Cat Williams]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's. Yeah, that's one of those things where just only looking back that you realize, oh, I was not in any way qualified for that job. Like. Like, you know, but you try so hard, you know, and it means everything. But yeah, it's. It's. It's exciting and, and scary. Like you can't. So you. You don't have a. You don't have any kids?

[Theo Von]

No, I want to get to. I would like to have some children, but.

[Cat Williams]

Well, if you have one child, you're not gonna. You're not gonna have the drug issue to deal with ever again.

[Theo Von]

Really?

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, because it's going to. You. You're not. You can't do them both, right? You can't do them both.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And if.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And if you.

[Cat Williams]

As soon as you have. And it does. It doesn't matter how you get this child.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Cat Williams]

The second you become a father and this life is dependent upon you, like, you're gonna devote everything to that and you're gonna have to. You're gonna have to. Because only somebody with your experiences will be able to deal with not being able to sleep for like two months. You know what I mean? Just on this baby schedule that has no schedule except. Yeah. It's crazy. Life changing doesn't even say the half of it, but, you know. Do you have pets? See, this is the thing. Yeah, right.

[Theo Von]

I might get started.

[Cat Williams]

This, this is what's keeping you able to be in this world is because you've not given yourself a life responsibility. You see what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

I think that's why I became a community, because I didn't want any responsibilities really.

[Cat Williams]

Right, right.

[Theo Von]

In a lot of ways.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

I think there's a big part of me that starts to feel like, yeah, I'm missing out if I don't. If I'm missing out. But I just want to know. I want to have every experience I can, you know?

[Cat Williams]

Right, right. And you can.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

And this is the vehicle for that. You know what I mean? That's what a coincidence that all your life will line up for you to want to do that and. And then to meet a girl at the airport that already loves to fly and travel and.

[Theo Von]

And make sure I don't have any illegal substances on me too.

[Cat Williams]

At the same time, just because you're not going to need them, are You.

[Theo Von]

Are you a pet owner? You a big pet owner, man? I've heard that you got some animals over there.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, I love the animals.

[Theo Von]

I've heard you got a couple horses, things like that.

[Cat Williams]

They're great. Yeah. Ducks. Like I got, I got.

[Theo Von]

How many ducks do you have, Cat?

[Cat Williams]

Between 19 and 21. I just say that because a couple were there when I first got the place and they never left. Right. So they're there, but everybody else we raise from eggs, you know that you go down to. What's the name of that place? Tractor Supply.

[Theo Von]

Oh, Tractor Supply.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, you go to Tractor Supply. And.

[Theo Von]

Oh, in the feed and seed shop.

[Cat Williams]

You do the right, you do the incubators. So yeah, so it's beautiful because they're all black.

[Theo Von]

Oh, really? Yeah, we need more of that. We need everybody.

[Cat Williams]

Diversity in the duck world.

[Theo Von]

Oh, hell yeah, dog. I'm sick of seeing these swans, bro. You know what I'm saying? These rich ass, long neck.

[Cat Williams]

No, we have geese too, but I'm.

[Theo Von]

Just saying we need some bangers in there, dog, you know? We need some dark ducks in this.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Or some. Bring up a couple of black ducks, man. I would love to see those right now because I'm used to seeing mallards. I've seen for sure, but I've never seen some really good darker ducks. So that's a beautiful one right there.

[Cat Williams]

None of these are black ducks. Oh, sorry.

[Theo Von]

We'll get one, but. No, get one.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, there we go. Oh, that western black.

[Theo Von]

That western black.

[Cat Williams]

That's an all black duck. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, but mine are.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's Mallard Luther King right there, bro. That thing dark as hell, dude. Sorry, bro.

[Cat Williams]

You don't make a great black guy. Mallard Luther. That. That could be his name.

[Theo Von]

And that is actually a beautiful name for a dog.

[Cat Williams]

It for that duck specifically. It is Mallard Luther the King. Yes.

[Theo Von]

Do you think, oh, some people think that guys like Martin Luther King were compromised by the CIA. Do you ever believe stuff like that?

[Cat Williams]

Well, this kind of goes back to.

[Theo Von]

Like, there's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff about that. You know.

[Cat Williams]

Somebody says it's a conspiracy, but that doesn't make it the case. In both of these cases that we've had these conversations, we are talking about the FBI and the CIA. So what do you think they do? So maybe we're clear about what we think these agencies do. So now the question becomes, hey, do you think they be doing their job? I do. I do think they be doing their job. You mean all through history yes. Yes. I think they keep on doing their job. You think they get everybody? I think they get everybody. So, again, not conspiracy theory at all. I'm saying the only way that there could be a FBI file for us to be able to get 30 years after his death is if there's a FBI file. Correct? Right, Right, right, Right.

[Theo Von]

Damn, bro. Nobody could trust anybody. That's a scary part to me sometimes.

[Cat Williams]

The Bible said, do not put your trust in men. It's pretty specific. Why? Because everybody can be compromised except you.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

If you don't believe in God, then it's pretty messed up because now you only got you to believe in. But if you got you and God, you can believe in both of those. You can. You can. You can have peace then.

[Theo Von]

Do you. Have you had times in your life where you struggled having God in your life or what's that been like for you?

[Cat Williams]

No.

[Theo Von]

Do you have a practice that you use kind of to like. Like, one of my goals this year is to have more God in my life. Right. So for me, I'm just using, like, more times where I stop and pray. Like, even sometimes moments of my head will pop in, like, you should hit your knees right now and pray. And sometimes I just don't do those. I just go and keep doing about my day. But now when those hit me, I'm trying to just make sure I do that, you know, just like. Because it's like an intuition that I have, you know, just because I want to have a stronger practice and I understand.

[Cat Williams]

It's. It's. The reason that it's special is because only you're gonna know that it's working. Right. There's gonna be no evidence other than the evidence, but you're gonna know that. Like, I. I talk to God five and six times a day. He has an accurate account of how I'm feeling about everything. How I think things are going, what I feel like I'm doing good at, what I feel like I need help with. These are our conversations. So I don't wonder why stuff gets moved out of my way because I asked for things to be moved out of my way. Like you asked earlier. Like, aren't you scared? Like, I'm not allowed to be scared because I'm not counting on me. Like, you can't fuck me up because you're not allowed to fuck me up. And I've been in enough situations to know that and let me down yet. Like, every time I needed his safety, it was there.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

And will be. And the more times you Communicate, the better the relationship is. And then you'll find that that works with the black girl from the airport, too. Like, communication is key.

[Theo Von]

You. Yeah. Oh, Lord, man. Literally. Huh?

[Cat Williams]

You perfect when you don't even try. Bam.

[Theo Von]

I've heard you say that you feel like we're about to enter, like, a golden era.

[Cat Williams]

Hmm.

[Theo Von]

What do you mean kind of by that? Like, what if? Or what feelings do you have about that? And what can we look forward to?

[Cat Williams]

I was just trying to be super positive at the time. I wasn't trying to be actually accurate with the question.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Cat Williams]

The question was asked, I think, almost on New Year's or something like that, or Christmas, something like that. It was pretty close to the top of the year. So I didn't want to say anything that would make anybody uncomfortable or awkward, but the Bible has a book called Revelations, right? And it gives you this little metaphorical rundown of how things should go.

[Theo Von]

Bring it up real quick. Or Revelations. We can get a look at it. There we go. Book of Revelation or Book of the Apocalypse. The final book of the New Testament.

[Cat Williams]

Correct. So now it talks about the things that will happen and what's called the last days. Right before the second coming of Jesus. Right. Because my whole life I was just trying to figure out, like, whatever it would take for Jesus to come back. Why aren't all of the people around the world that love Jesus, why aren't they making sure that happens?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

So he would come back.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah. Like Santa, they leave milk and cookies. I don't say, you think we would leave out a couple of freaking.

[Cat Williams]

We're willing to go buy the presents ourselves and say you delivered them.

[Theo Von]

Put some sacred snacks out for him or something.

[Cat Williams]

Right. So, you know, it just tells a story of the little key things that will happen that you can look forward to before things get there. Right. And so it talks about things like, all of the nations will have to come together and make a group called the United nations, you know, and this was written way back then, and we have a United nations now.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

And it's. It talks about there being wars and reports of wars in multiple places. And it gives us. Gives us a little guideline just to, you know, what may be happening in the future.

[Theo Von]

Like, whenever Jesus comes back, where do you think it'll be at?

[Cat Williams]

Well, the Bible is generally pretty specific about places, generally. So, like, it talks about Armageddon, Right? And there's this actual Valley of Armageddon. I'm going to mispronounce it, but Armageddon. But the Valley of Armageddon that's supposed to take place. There's this valley that is named after, which really exists. But wherever it is, he's going to bring it up. But there's probably a war there now.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Cat Williams]

So here we are.

[Theo Von]

The valley of Megiddo, also known as Jezreel Valley, is a large fertile plain in northern Israel. It's known for its historical, theological and geographical significance. Oh, wow. And there's a lot of war going on right there right now.

[Cat Williams]

Correct.

[Theo Von]

So. So tbd, huh? What are some of the other animals that you have there? I have heard that you have horses over there. Is that a truce? Is that true? Cut. That you have some horses over there. Almost.

[Cat Williams]

The donkeys are the stars over there. But yeah, we got a lot of. Yeah, we have cows. Many cows. Those are the best kind. Many cows.

[Theo Von]

And how big are they?

[Cat Williams]

Belly pig. Probably about to. Right there.

[Theo Von]

A mini cow. Yeah, but bring up a mini cow real quick. I want to see one of them. They're beautiful too. I have. My sister has a picture of a couple of them at her house. Beautiful.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. If we can find a white one that'll be like Cash if you.

[Theo Von]

That's your name Cash, huh? Oh, that's cool. Wow. And can. Are those milkable?

[Cat Williams]

He's a boy, so I don't know damn well.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, not it.

[Cat Williams]

Right. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, look at that.

[Cat Williams]

So you know, the. The blessing. He doesn't. He has no idea. He's many.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I see.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Ours is bigger than that, but yeah.

[Theo Von]

A beautiful little one right there.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, they're really fun.

[Theo Von]

And do you name said that one named Cash. And what other name do you have for these animals?

[Cat Williams]

Well, all the animals. All the animals have. Have names except. Except animals that might be delicious. Like goat is like my favorite meat, I think. And so we have quite a few, you know.

[Theo Von]

And are you eating?

[Cat Williams]

Not Billy. He's the king of all the goats. Right, right. But.

[Theo Von]

But you have a little bit of goat. How much goat are you having monthly, you think?

[Cat Williams]

Weekly.

[Theo Von]

Oh, okay, okay. So cat got him a little bit money. If he having that weekly goat meal, you know that boy.

[Cat Williams]

I'm accountable, you know? Yes, sir.

[Theo Von]

Yes, sir.

[Cat Williams]

Goat eat goat.

[Theo Von]

Hey man. Goate goat.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

I love that.

[Cat Williams]

He'S making a little money.

[Theo Von]

Sorry, I'm just trying to. I'm trying to. I think sometimes I was just so. I was so nervous about who you are because you seem like such a. Like you almost seem like something that came down off of Mount Rushmore to spend time with us today. So I think that's like the. The mystique about you. So I think sometimes I don't know when it's like, okay to joke around and stuff, you know, so you just try and figure it out as you.

[Cat Williams]

Go, you know, I. I hope that that is not correct and you're just saying that because it is always okay to joke around me now.

[Theo Von]

I appreciate that. I definitely feel that for sure. More than other interviews, I'm trying to think of what else I want to ask you about. This is the best picture I ever got about it. Someone sent this and they said, this is Cat Williams talking to Cam Newton. Somebody said.

[Cat Williams]

Right.

[Theo Von]

And that's what I'm thinking, man.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Because here's the thing. Here's the thing. Everything. Yeah, we know. That stupid picture of me. Thanks. Appreciate it. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I didn't even see that. Can we take that down?

[Cat Williams]

That's unbelievable. Very racist. You see how it became racist to me? No, no, but here's the facts. The facts are, you know, everything we know about history, we know because of artifacts, things that were left behind. You know what I mean? And so to be heavily into the culture in a way that is represented is pretty cool. It's a pretty big deal, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

We should make one next year. If we made one and we did Made some. Made a charity for it or something, that could be cool.

[Cat Williams]

Right? But we would have to do you one too, so, like, there would have to be a Theo vine as well.

[Theo Von]

I mean, I would be happy to do that. Yours is really the. Yours is the one they're already using without your permission.

[Cat Williams]

That's what I'm saying. They are already doing mine.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's true. It. But maybe we'll try to find one. That'd be kind of a neat. Maybe we could do something where we raise some money for something.

[Cat Williams]

I would love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, I'm all about that.

[Theo Von]

That's cool.

[Cat Williams]

We should do it for. Yeah, I'd be happy. We should do it for autism. We should do it for people on the spectrum.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And do they have. And everybody has autism? Do they. They have all types of people with autism. Yeah, right. Yeah, I would love to do that. That's a cool idea. And do you. My last question for you, Cat. Do you know any Native Americans you ever met? Any over the years? What's that been, like, really cool?

[Cat Williams]

Like. Like way more. I don't. I'm trying to figure out how to.

[Theo Von]

Say it, but, like, because I've just heard. These are, some of, these are just things that I've heard.

[Cat Williams]

When you. I met this tribe that several times. I've met several tribes. But the whole thing is you get this thing around them that you understand that they've been standing here. You know what I mean? Like. Yeah, there's. Yeah. You, you, you understand how difficult it is to carry legacies and stories even though your people have been getting destroyed. And then when it's all at as bad as it could possibly be and everything is destroyed of your whole legacy, then they give you unlimited money and, and have casinos. It's. It's a, a mind blowing thing to watch a people, a group of people still carry their legacy along and that's what you get. And they know so much about so much. Like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, like, and I'm an outdoor guy, like, and they know everything about everything. Like fishing with them is like a whole different experience.

[Theo Von]

They're whistling them in the boat.

[Cat Williams]

They don't make no mistakes. Like that whole part where you don't catch fish. They don't know about that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, they catching. And half of them cook. They catching. They do it right.

[Cat Williams]

I want you to come out of the water boneless fillets.

[Theo Von]

Have. With. With outdoor stuff. Have you ever done any, like camping or anything like that? You're done in long camps. Did you ever do like a plant medicine retreat or anything like that?

[Cat Williams]

No. But having 100 acre ranch, you start getting into trying to make sure you. Because first you have to figure out what you already have there. You know what I mean? Because I'm kind of. Aren't you like close to Nashville?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Right. So I'm out in Mississippi on this farm, you see. And so, you know, you learning what's out there and then you're trying to accentuate what's already out there and. Because I think we probably got like 300 deer. Like, wow.

[Theo Von]

And they just running around everywhere.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, yeah. Because the way progress worked, they kept getting pinned in. And then there was a golf course and so they had a little safe area in between them. And then when houses start going and then it became neighborhood, less and less gated community. And now there's nowhere else for them to be. And this particular area is where they all came to. So pretty wonderful.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I could see you having like a cool pet and zoo or something one day if you wanted to. And you're, you know, you ever quit or just wanted to have a peaceful animal type of. Or a safari, something like that.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah, yeah. Cats. Cats. I'm never trying to do something that requires interaction. Like what I'm. What I'm doing is creating heaven on Earth.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Right. So that means finding out all of the things that really make you jump for joy and excited and make you go, oh, and collecting those around yourself so that no matter what it is you have to deal with in the world, you can come back to this little heavenly environment that you have created.

[Theo Von]

That's it.

[Cat Williams]

That fusion you.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's the tool right there.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah. Heaven on earth, as it turns out.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Cat Williams]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Cat man, thank you so much for spending time with me today, man. Just. Thanks for. Yeah, thanks for just so many things, so many quotable moments from your life that you've shared with us, and. Yeah, it's an honor, bro. I really feel honored to be in your presence today and just. Yeah, I can't even believe it. So thank you so much.

[Cat Williams]

Likewise. Feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone oh but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones but it's gonna take.