E560 Antonio Brown

Summary

Podcast Summary: This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von – Episode E560 Antonio Brown

Host: Theo Von
Guest: Antonio Brown, Former NFL Wide Receiver
Release Date: February 7, 2025
Duration: Approximately 120 minutes
Description: In this episode, Theo Von sits down with Antonio Brown, a former NFL Pro Bowler known for his exceptional skills on the field and his unique personality off it. The conversation delves deep into various aspects of Brown's life, including his football career, personal struggles, cultural observations, and his initiatives post-retirement.

---

1. Introduction and Early Banter [00:00 - 02:22]

Theo Von opens the episode by introducing Antonio Brown, highlighting Brown's illustrious career with teams like the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New England Patriots. The initial moments are filled with light-hearted teasing about Brown's haircut and their live interaction.

• Theo Von ([00:54]): "Today's guest is the Cte S P N bad boy, Mr. Antonio Brown."

2. Cultural Commentary and "Cracker of the Day" Awards [02:23 - 26:30]

The conversation shifts towards Brown's latest endeavor, the "Cracker of the Day Awards," where he humorously awards various groups in an attempt to bridge racial and cultural gaps.

• Antonio Brown ([26:07]): "That's why I started the Cracker of the Year, to just bridge the gap between people because we all want human race."

They discuss the significance of humor in addressing racial tensions and Brown's motivation to foster unity through unconventional methods.

3. Reflections on the Black Community and Personal Experiences [26:31 - 52:00]

Brown delves into his upbringing in Liberty City, Miami, shedding light on the challenges faced by the black community, such as systemic issues, single-parent households, and the impact of gangs.

• Antonio Brown ([08:19]): "Life is already written for everyone... In my life, you got to lay out what you want to be within yourself."

He discusses the importance of self-determination and the influence of his father's experiences in shaping his outlook.

The dialogue also touches on the lack of black representation in various sectors and the importance of having black agents and managers in the entertainment industry.

• Antonio Brown ([82:33]): "You gotta have the guy that's gonna get you the best opportunity, that's gonna rep the brand and make you feel comfortable."

4. Mental Health and Coping with Trauma [52:01 - 89:01]

A significant portion of the conversation focuses on mental health, trauma, and the concept of Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) in athletes.

• Antonio Brown ([84:03]): "I feel like CTE is a trauma... We all have trauma, and CTE is a trauma that we all endure."

Brown emphasizes the universal nature of trauma and the necessity of addressing it openly. He introduces his initiative, CTSPN, aimed at creating a platform for athletes and others to discuss and overcome their traumas.

• Antonio Brown ([86:01]): "I started CTSPN to talk to people about their traumas and how they deal with their traumas and cope with their traumas, overcoming adversity."

5. Football Career Highlights and Relationships [89:02 - 113:05]

Brown reminisces about his football career, expressing gratitude for playing with renowned quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Big Ben (Ben Roethlisberger). He highlights the camaraderie and mentorship he received, which played a crucial role in his success.

• Antonio Brown ([93:56]): "I was blessed to play with nothing but championship quarterbacks, you know, Big Ben and Tom Brady."

Theo Von and Brown discuss the dynamics of team relationships, the impact of coaching decisions, and the challenges of transitioning out of a professional sports career.

6. Discussions on Racial Terminology and Media Representation [113:05 - 116:37]

The dialogue takes a controversial turn as Brown and Von explore the complexities of racial language, specifically the use of the N-word, and its implications in modern society. They debate the potential for reclaiming such terms and the role of media in shaping racial narratives.

• Antonio Brown ([114:48]): "We gotta change reverse racism... We just have to promote it. A bridging culture."

They contemplate the creation of events like the "Cracker of the Day" awards and "Cracker Olympics" aimed at normalizing racial discourse and fostering understanding.

7. Cryptocurrency and Modern Culture [116:38 - 120:25]

In the latter part of the episode, Brown introduces the concept of "Elon Trump Fart Coin," a satirical take on cryptocurrency, blending humor with cultural commentary.

• Antonio Brown ([118:37]): "So check out the Elon Trump fart coin... It's going up. It's heating up right now."

They briefly touch upon the rise of meme coins and the intertwining of pop culture with financial trends, highlighting the absurdity and viral nature of such phenomena.

8. Closing Remarks and Future Endeavors [120:25 - End]

As the conversation winds down, Brown reflects on his journey, expressing a desire to continue bridging cultural gaps, raising awareness about trauma, and inspiring others through his initiatives.

• Antonio Brown ([112:38]): "I just want to serve my purpose of living. Giving out light, encouraging people and... bridging the gap."

Theo Von commends Brown for his efforts and the depth of their conversation, acknowledging the importance of addressing uncomfortable topics to foster societal progress.

---

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Antonio Brown ([04:29]): "Life is already written for everyone. If you want to be a football player... you have to lay out what you want to be within yourself."

• Antonio Brown ([13:15]): "Life is about attitude."

• Antonio Brown ([16:34]): "They always change the narrative on guys."

• Antonio Brown ([44:44]): "Feel good music, Entertainment. Black people set the culture for artistic culture."

• Antonio Brown ([84:03]): "I feel like CTE is a trauma that we all endure."

• Antonio Brown ([112:38]): "I just want to serve my purpose of living. Giving out light, encouraging people and bridging the gap."

Concluding Thoughts

This episode of "This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von" offers a profound exploration of Antonio Brown's multifaceted life beyond the football field. From tackling systemic racial issues and personal traumas to initiating cultural dialogues through humor, Brown presents himself as a figure striving for societal harmony and personal growth. Theo Von's engaging hosting style allows for an open and honest conversation, making this episode a valuable listen for those interested in sports, culture, and personal development.

Transcript

[Theo Von]

Today's guest is a former NFL wide receiver, the Pro Bowler, maybe one of the greatest NFL receivers of all time. He played for the Pittsburgh Steelers, the New England Patriots, briefly for the Buccaneers, and possibly for the Raiders. Since then, he found himself in multiple endeavors, like his prestigious Cracker of the Day Awards, where he gives out awards to whites and honkies and others. I had a good time getting to know him. He is very unique. Today's guest is the Cte S P N bad boy, Mr. Antonio Brown.

[Antonio Brown]

Like, damn.

[Theo Von]

Get off my D. Yeah, people on it. Oh, I didn't see them, but I believe. Yeah, they might. They got a lot of lurkers around here.

[Antonio Brown]

A lot of lurkies. Yo, I like this haircut, though. What is that? Mullet?

[Theo Von]

Let me think of how they call. I'm trying to think of the term for it.

[Antonio Brown]

Swaggy, though. I ain't gonna lie.

[Theo Von]

I think it's. Yeah, some people call it that. I never.

[Antonio Brown]

Oh, it's a rat. I know your hat say rat tail.

[Theo Von]

That's Rat king, baby.

[Antonio Brown]

Rat King.

[Theo Von]

But I think for me it's just.

[Antonio Brown]

Keep you if you could keep. Oh, we on right now.

[Theo Von]

We live. No, we can wait.

[Antonio Brown]

I'm live. I'm ready. Come on. We in this. We on.

[Theo Von]

We here, though. Some people call it a mullet. I think it's just as is, man. You want to go shades today? We can do them. What do we got?

[Antonio Brown]

Oh, we can wait to put them on. Whatever, whenever you. We got to step into the shade time.

[Theo Von]

All right.

[Antonio Brown]

Put like a shade.

[Theo Von]

I need a pair, though.

[Antonio Brown]

Bring my guys some shades.

[Theo Von]

You going see what we got. You got some of those?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, put those on. 711 classics.

[Theo Von]

Are they?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, gas station movie theaters.

[Theo Von]

7 11. 7 12, bitch. Welcome.

[Antonio Brown]

Let's go.

[Theo Von]

We taking it to the next level in these.

[Antonio Brown]

We going to the movie theaters. We gotta go 3D.

[Theo Von]

All right, we going 3D. Out the gate, boy.

[Antonio Brown]

Right to the movies. I'm with tv, baby.

[Theo Von]

Good to see you today, man.

[Antonio Brown]

Good to see you, tv. My movie theater. Why they don't call you tv? They always say Theo Von. They don't just say tv.

[Theo Von]

I'm trying to think of who. If some people says TV or not. Some people might say it, but I don't know. It's a good question.

[Antonio Brown]

Come on, man. Your nickname should be Television.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's not. I'm trying to think of what a good nickname for me would be. What's your nickname? A B?

[Antonio Brown]

Gold Diva. Good dick. Oh, Mr. Catch them all. You never Heard of Ash Ketchum?

[Theo Von]

Ash Ketchup?

[Antonio Brown]

Ash Ketchum. He catch Pokemons. He does, but his slam was catch them all.

[Theo Von]

And it's an Asian guy.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, Asian guy, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, they love to get out there and catch him. Drawings, you know, animations. They should have an Asian, like a Asian Pokemon. Catch them all championships.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, that'd be cool.

[Theo Von]

I don't see. That's something I would love to witness more of. Ab. Good to see you, man. Good to see.

[Antonio Brown]

Thank you, man. How you doing?

[Theo Von]

I'm alive, man. You know, it's a lot of pressure out there.

[Antonio Brown]

Facts.

[Theo Von]

The trenches are getting tight.

[Antonio Brown]

Real tight.

[Theo Von]

It's.

[Antonio Brown]

Oh, getting sticky.

[Theo Von]

It's getting sticky, bro. Somehow I have to leave my shoes and just walk off in my socks, bro, because.

[Antonio Brown]

Got to leave your footprint and we out, bro. Pull a B, bro. Just be out, bro. It.

[Theo Von]

That's it, huh?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, that's it, bro.

[Theo Von]

That must have been the best day whenever you quit your job.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, that was best, bro, because I.

[Theo Von]

Think there's a part of that, bro, where everybody could feel, cuz. Everybody wants to take their shirt off.

[Antonio Brown]

And walk out there, take that moment, right? But some people can't buy FedEx.

[Theo Von]

Buy what's like another good company. Buy UPS, UPS, Target, anything.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, it's always good, man, where you can walk out on your own freedom and make the moves that you believe in, you know, Cuz, in life, life is already written for everyone. If you want to be a football player, you know, if you in high school, you got to pass the Clearinghouse. You got to have the right grades for the sat. It's a certain requirements that they lay out for you for what you got to be. To be that. Yeah. In my life, you got to lay out what you want to be within yourself. And most of the time, you know, the most important thing is to be in tune with God. You know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Because I guess as a football player, the path is kind of there. It's like, you gotta do this.

[Antonio Brown]

You gotta be everything lined up for you, right? In my life, you got to create your own life, man. You got to have the freedom and the balls to, you know, choose what you want. Football don't last forever, you know, it's injuries. It's a lot of things that go into it. Oh, hell yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, damn. Y'all got.

[Antonio Brown]

You got the honey pack.

[Theo Von]

Y'all got the backwoods, huh?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, I brought some Zion. Yo, I know you.

[Theo Von]

You can smoke it, man. I'll watch you.

[Antonio Brown]

I bet I'LL watch you smoke that. This is like therapy. You know, as a black man, they always want to me over.

[Theo Von]

Who does? Backwoods. How many's in there? They put five in there, huh?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Why you think they shorten you?

[Antonio Brown]

They always short us. Oh, you got have one on the bench. That's how you get your weed.

[Theo Von]

Oh, damn. And what's in there? That reminds me of poppy steak. They ever bring that steak out to you? You been there?

[Antonio Brown]

Of course. That's what all the girls like to go.

[Theo Von]

Poppy steak, huh?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, they like that beef at Poppies. Ooh, dang.

[Theo Von]

That's when everybody comes running. You shake that like you shake that eight ball at a party. Everybody, bro. You have them coke ghosts, they show up like woo. They've been dead, but they show they hear that eight ball shaking and be.

[Antonio Brown]

Like they go crazy when they see.

[Theo Von]

That 80 dude, I oh, there's poppy steak right there. That's where they pull up.

[Antonio Brown]

That's the movie steak.

[Theo Von]

They grilling that meat right there.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, they going crazy. That meat came in at lunchable.

[Theo Von]

That's a bro, that's a rich ass lunchable.

[Antonio Brown]

That's a fire, right?

[Theo Von]

Rich ass lunchable right there.

[Antonio Brown]

Came in a hot pocket, dude.

[Theo Von]

My mom used to put silverware. She would me. She put silverware in a lunchbox. Nothing in that right side to open it up. Bam.

[Antonio Brown]

Boy, like what the are you eating?

[Theo Von]

Nothing bro.

[Antonio Brown]

Stay hungry, huh?

[Theo Von]

Stay hungry.

[Antonio Brown]

This boy you in the churches.

[Theo Von]

Hey, where you. My mom had a good sense of humor. She like haha, I love you. That's what she put in there. So she had it. The note was nice, but it still. Yeah, I would have preferred some proteins or something in there, but. Yeah, but you smoked in backwoods.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, I smoke backwards.

[Theo Von]

You know I got my nephew some good backwards clothing for.

[Antonio Brown]

Oh yeah, they do come up with some clothes.

[Theo Von]

Christmas last year.

[Antonio Brown]

Sweats and hoodies, right?

[Theo Von]

Yes.

[Antonio Brown]

He's a backwood guy.

[Theo Von]

He's a, he's I think he's nine. I don't know if he is or not. You know, he's still pretty young. He's a Roblox guy. Okay, but if they did a Roblox backwood collab, he'd be on it. That's him right there, Max in the middle.

[Antonio Brown]

Oh yeah. Handsome kid.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, he's pretty good. He got a good hairline on him.

[Antonio Brown]

I know kids swaggy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I don't look at him too.

[Antonio Brown]

Where you from there? You from New Orleans?

[Theo Von]

I'm from outside of Louisiana. I'm Outside of New Orleans, trying to think if we had any pro athletes that came out of our area.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, one of my baby mamas said they went to. They came from the same spot you in.

[Theo Von]

Really?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, you know, I got a baby mom collection.

[Theo Von]

How many? Oh, damn. How many you got?

[Antonio Brown]

I got. I think I got enough. Is in the backwood. Maybe five.

[Theo Von]

Oh, wow, that's. You got a pack? You got a starter pack?

[Antonio Brown]

I got a. Yeah, I woke up a sour patch. Where's my starter pack?

[Theo Von]

Dude, somebody said you're not a real black father till you've had three kids. Is that true or not? Like in the black community? That's what I heard.

[Antonio Brown]

No, I think you ain't a black father until you get on child support. Because then you know, like, what it take to be a black father. I think my dad was on child support years and years. I think it's just like in a black community, I feel like the government is taking our woman. It's like, yo, if you grew up in an inner city community, you had a kid with a woman, it's like, if you gonna go our way and try to make some of yourself, the government gonna take your spouse. Because now they tell the spouse, yo, you gonna be in section eight. You gonna get free food camps. The government just took. Took my mom. Now they took my mom. Now my dad can't even come back to the house. So it's like, why?

[Theo Von]

Because if he comes back, then she loses the.

[Antonio Brown]

The benefits. Exactly. So it's like the government really just took your. So as a black father, it's like, man, to experience that, you really. You know what I mean? To be a black dad and in all seriousness is like really bad because you have a kid and you trying to go out and make some of yourself and these women, the government come in and take it right out. Because it's like, yo, it's hard to be a dad. My dad had me when he was in college at Louisiana Tech.

[Theo Von]

Oh, he went to Louisiana Tech?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Up in Rustin, huh?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, right around you. Right around you, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Was he playing ball up there?

[Antonio Brown]

No, of course my dad was touched down Eddie Brown, like a. Greatest respect.

[Theo Von]

Bring him up. I want to see a picture of him, man.

[Antonio Brown]

Touch down Eddie Brown. Pull up the Louisiana Tech. There you go, right there.

[Theo Von]

Pull up Eddie, bro. If you need him, he's in the end zone. That's where you're going to have to pull him up.

[Antonio Brown]

They call him Touchdown. He got like 300 tutties, yo. He's like the number one arena league football player all time.

[Theo Von]

Really? Did he play in Boise? Where do you play arena at?

[Antonio Brown]

He played in Albany. Firebirds, the team I just bought. And I realized they don't want us to own shit either, bro. I bought the team. They was kicking me off the field. I think I just got to move out of America. What do you think? The tv.

[Theo Von]

I'm trying to think where we would. You could. Because you would be considered an export at that point.

[Antonio Brown]

Yes.

[Theo Von]

So that's a trade agreement. We'd have to get with another continent, I would guess. I'm trying to think of who we could get for you. Who could we get on the international market? That's a good question.

[Antonio Brown]

Who could we do it? How can we do it?

[Theo Von]

Trade a B for.

[Antonio Brown]

That's all I'm saying. What the market value for this?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. What's the.

[Antonio Brown]

What's the pussy rate on that?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. What's the exchange rate on the nasdaq? You know? What's the exchange rate on ab? If we put you out there, do that.

[Antonio Brown]

Be friend. Like a cow or a dog. Like, these bitches, Theo, these bitches want to milk me like a cow.

[Theo Von]

Who you talking about when you say them?

[Antonio Brown]

People in general. People that's around you that know your position. Like, Theo, you real successful now. Like, do people just take photos of you everywhere, or do people expect more out of you? Like, if you was going to a restaurant with your buddies? Like, who. Covering the tab?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I think I would like to cover it most of the time just because I know that I have the ability to cover it without having to worry about it as much. Maybe, you know, the next day or week, you know, or. Yeah, but sometimes. Yeah, sometimes.

[Antonio Brown]

Like a cow.

[Theo Von]

I feel like a cow, but I feel like I'm my own shepherd at the same time. Okay.

[Antonio Brown]

I like that you got to be on shepherd, but you don't want people to treat you like a cow. You don't want people to treat you like a cow.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, No, I think. No, I. I don't. I think what makes me kind of uncomfortable. Yeah. Sometimes if people are recording you for no reason, that's weird, ugly. But that's everybody.

[Antonio Brown]

But that's the new world we live in. Everyone want to get that film of you. Just that so they can show somebody later or just feel like they. They cool by association. And it's like, yo, boy, I didn't want you to record me right now. I'm relaxing.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. We don't even.

[Antonio Brown]

You need cameras right now, dude.

[Theo Von]

I saw one One time it was me just walking somewhere, dude. And I'm not the best walker or whatever. You know how you walk.

[Antonio Brown]

You got a nice scroll. Are you walking like what you emphasizing when you walking with a strut tv?

[Theo Von]

I say chest up.

[Antonio Brown]

Yes. Eyes up.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You on your toes or your heels?

[Theo Von]

I'm right in the middle, baby.

[Antonio Brown]

Okay.

[Theo Von]

You know what I'm saying? I'm that middle dog. You won't catch me on the front or the back, dog.

[Antonio Brown]

Like that. Just somewhere in the middle I see.

[Theo Von]

At the 50 yard line. That's where I'm at, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

Right between the legs. Right in the middle.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I'm that fulcrum, baby. I'm just. Because you don't know if the Lord's get me or the devil's get me. I'm right there. I'm on that tightrope. That's how I walk.

[Antonio Brown]

I like that.

[Theo Von]

I'm on that tight rope, boy. You don't know if I'm. You don't know what I'm doing.

[Antonio Brown]

I like that.

[Theo Von]

But, yeah, I like to be. I walk. Let me see. Yeah, I kind of push my, like, forward. I move like I'm moving forward.

[Antonio Brown]

Demon. Wow.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Like a pretty nice demon, though. Like that.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, like that superhero vibes.

[Theo Von]

Like that. Nice ass demon. Yeah, but sometimes, yeah. I saw a video one time and it was like, damn, this dude ugly, bro. That was a video. That was the caption.

[Antonio Brown]

They was hating on you. No, when somebody call you ugly, that means you swaggy. That's an excuse for it.

[Theo Von]

They didn't mean it like that.

[Antonio Brown]

I think they mean it like that.

[Theo Von]

I like your attitude.

[Antonio Brown]

When people call you ugly, that means you swaggy. Like, look at this ugly. That mean you look a fly, bro. You know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's a good attitude. You right, bro. We ugly as son.

[Antonio Brown]

Ugly motherfucker.

[Theo Von]

If you need ugly ass, look at these pieces of. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good attitude, man. You're right. I am ugly mother. Yeah, and watch my ugly ass get some shit done.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, watch this ugly go to work.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, right. Yeah, that's a good attitude.

[Antonio Brown]

Life is about attitude. You know why?

[Theo Von]

Because it really is.

[Antonio Brown]

People like to create narratives, create stories. They don't really care how people feel. They don't care how your family react. To keep us at a certain level. I don't think that's just the community. Because, bro, I grew up in Miami, Florida, Liberty City. We had a big drug game, if you never heard about it, called John Doe.

[Theo Von]

Michael Irvin, huh?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, but Michael Irvin from, like, Michael Irvin just played football in Miami. I don't know if he grew up in Liberty City. I think he grew up in Broward, so I don't. I don't really know what his lifestyle was, but I know I grew up on 58 terrorists and 17th Avenue in the heart of Liberty City.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I'm saying? In the culture of a black community. Because I know. I love to see you talk about black people, black community. Because I feel like you're from New Orleans, so you've been around a lot of black people your whole life. But being in Liberty City is not like the country, because I know New Orleans is like country. Low country is not.

[Theo Von]

It's like a mix. Louisiana is a mix of, like, country. It's a mix of country light city.

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly. But in Liberty City, yo, we. Yo, we have, like, the John Doe boys is like the police of the neighborhood.

[Theo Von]

Okay?

[Antonio Brown]

So, like, these guys, like, you pull them up. Yo. Pull up John Doe weed basin blow.

[Theo Von]

Pulling up shitty watch on a watch later.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, I'm trying to show. I'm trying to. I'm trying to educate you guys about the black community where we come from. Look up the guy from John Doe. His name Travin Bubba. Just look up Miami John Doe.

[Theo Von]

Put it on. These motherfuckers watching Mythbusters on this bitch. Put something on, man. Put it on, Jack. John Doe right there. Death penalty case of John Doe gang leader, imperialist judge. Disclosure.

[Antonio Brown]

Liberty City. You see that? In the 1990s.

[Theo Von]

In the 1990s. Okay.

[Antonio Brown]

And Liberty City. So when you do the homework, the black community is ran by a group. John Doe group, gang. They just make money in our neighborhoods. You see what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

So they don't even live there.

[Antonio Brown]

No, they live there.

[Theo Von]

Oh, they do.

[Antonio Brown]

The next block on 58th Street. Yes, Trav. His family had a whole crowd. This guy had a whole. It's like they was running a business in the inner city that wasn't the right business, but they show the inner city people hope. Like the good cars that came by when we had football games, they came and supported, like, you guys playing against them. Oh, yeah, we got here Go to Money jerseys. They gave us hope, nice shoes, nice opportunities to make us look forward for the great things. Yeah, but these environments, that was called what, Section 8. You ever heard of Section 8?

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

So these type of environments was given to who? Our moms? Most of the people that's living in the inner city is Single moms that's been provided the house from the government to put us in these places with low income people, you know. And so we had the 106 and park, the. Look at TV. We had the John Doe guys to come over and give us hope about. You know what I'm saying? It was like our neighborhood heroes. Because we didn't see people didn't come.

[Theo Von]

To Liberty City and have regular lives kind of like.

[Antonio Brown]

Nah, they didn't.

[Theo Von]

There wasn't like a lot of dads that were like doctors and shit like that.

[Antonio Brown]

It wasn't a lot of dad presence period. Because it's Section 8. Your dad can't even come around these areas. So these areas were outsourced by the government because now if your dad come in play your mom, they don't get the food stamp card to buy you food. So these guys was like our heroes that gave us hope in those situations.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Now I see that. I never really thought about that concept before that the dad couldn't come back.

[Antonio Brown]

Because your dad gonna come, your dad come. Your mama don't get the section 8, she don't get the free lunch, the free housing. What women who have a lot of kids and a lot of stress and a lot of. To dudes with a lot. You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I hadn't thought about it like that.

[Antonio Brown]

Nah.

[Theo Von]

I mean, well, in our neighbor, in our, in our area, a lot of the black girls got, they all got pregnant, you know, over the summer time after seventh grade.

[Antonio Brown]

Because white people, I love my white people. They put their kids on birth control at 16. They already got a chip in them that's blocking it. That's probably causing other black moms, they are, they already had a kid, probably early. So if you, whatever your family or your mom, whatever you grew up in that situation, to you that would come the normacy, you know what I mean? So the percentage of black women going to college is pretty low. So if you in the neighborhood where you. It's a fast neighborhood and people growing up fast and they doing stuff fast, you're probably, I mean less chance, likely chance of you definitely getting pregnant because. Oh yeah, alpha male, you know, black dick is king.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I haven't seen it. Yeah, I don't see. Yeah, I mean I've seen something online. I don't need to see any right now, you know what I'm saying? I'm good. I hope these shades block out black dick, bro. You feel me? Because I ain't trying to see Any today, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

Yo, the rate of fucking yo, in the. In the Liberty City, they see a fine girl, they're like, yo, tv, you didn't nut in that. You should nothing. That's what the black culture are pre eminent in Liberty City.

[Theo Von]

So then I have to go over and try to get some sex with the lady?

[Antonio Brown]

I mean, no, they telling you, did you nut in that? Like, if you was from Liberty City and you brought a hot girl, they would have been like, yo, tv, you ain't nut in that.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Antonio Brown]

They give you the wrong guidance.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I see.

[Antonio Brown]

At an early age, imagine you in the neighborhood.

[Theo Von]

They didn't say, hey, tv, you didn't take that lady on a nice date.

[Antonio Brown]

No, they'll tell you take on a date, they just gonna say, bust a nut in there. Oh, wow.

[Theo Von]

What? Dude, the cracker of the year this year was Shane Gillis, man. Congratulations, dude.

[Antonio Brown]

Shane Gillis. Amazing, man. The cracker of the year was Donald Trump.

[Theo Von]

Oh, he was crack of the year.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, man. He overcame so much and he kept his class, he kept his coolness. Imagine he almost got killed while running for president. Almost got took down by people trying to take him to jail. You never really see a cracker really go through this type of intensity of his life. And the government trying to take you down. It's only like a nigga thing to be real. But he handled it with such class.

[Theo Von]

Did that give him more respect?

[Antonio Brown]

Of course. You see how many black people change the tide and switch for him. You see Stephen A. Smith apologize like a bitch now. Yeah, he fell on his knees too, everybody. Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Because he had a certain show.

[Antonio Brown]

Because Trump showed that he could be a and handle it with class. It's like black people go through that all the time. Look at my boy. Young thug just went to jail for some. He made up, some was made up.

[Theo Von]

Like he, you know, I mean, Free Quavo, too. Is he locked up?

[Antonio Brown]

No, these guys out, Quavo. Young thugs out. Oh, good. Free Young Dirk.

[Theo Von]

Free young Dirk. What'd he do? Or what didn't he do?

[Antonio Brown]

I mean, what they say he do, it's a bunch of. He say, she say. I don't know. The fact.

[Theo Von]

Don't ask me, jack.

[Antonio Brown]

No ask me. I got that doing it.

[Theo Von]

I got nothing to do with it.

[Antonio Brown]

Right, you did.

[Theo Von]

But no, that's. That's a big thing that happened for Trump was they put him on all of those charges, right, that every. He was in court every week. And then they tried to shoot him.

[Antonio Brown]

They try to kill him.

[Theo Von]

And so that's if anything, if anybody, if any group could probably relate to some of that type of energy. Black command community.

[Antonio Brown]

They're trying to kill us every day. You know about Martin Luther King. You see Nipsey? It's a whole list of. Yo, pull up the list of black guys that was a elite who just died out the blue. Maybe it was. What do they call it when they kill you out the blue and they don't even know.

[Theo Von]

Oh, assassination or whatever.

[Antonio Brown]

No, that's when they just kill you.

[Theo Von]

Oh, they just.

[Antonio Brown]

What they call it when it is. They kill you and they just be like, oh, it was a. You know what it's called?

[Theo Von]

Oh, accident, assassinate. No, we just tried that one.

[Antonio Brown]

Conspiracy. Exactly.

[Theo Von]

It was a. Yep.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, it's like they think black people is like the new vagina. Like the designer vagina.

[Theo Von]

We're gonna keep using them.

[Antonio Brown]

Keep them. No, you're gonna keep them. Like, what happened to Kobe Brown? Like, I never see no one other airplane going down.

[Theo Von]

Never one. When other time has it happened where a chopper just went off like that?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. And it was for Kobe Bryant, though. I think Donald Trump just did a big thing yesterday. Release the conspiracy information for the King family.

[Theo Von]

Martin Luther King.

[Antonio Brown]

How is this hiding conspiracy amongst people of my kind of people? That's being over.

[Theo Von]

Well, why. First of all, if we live in a country where it's free community where the communication.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. Why would we. Why did his family didn't get the condolences to know what happened?

[Theo Von]

Well, why didn't we all just get the truth? You know what I'm saying? Why the files have to be like. Why is there a top secret files?

[Antonio Brown]

Because black guys are like designer vagina. I just give. I mean, that go to list. Yo, you got the list.

[Theo Von]

Black L. A, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. It's like they just. You over.

[Theo Von]

Well, did you see some of the stuff I've seen is that people are. They're trying to accuse him of being a homosexual.

[Antonio Brown]

Of course. That's what happened with every black man. They just.

[Theo Von]

They try to throw him under that. Under the throw.

[Antonio Brown]

You want to just throw your. That you build up like it don't even matter.

[Theo Von]

Under the LG Bus.

[Antonio Brown]

Dude, do. Martin Luther King was in a hotel getting before they shot him.

[Theo Von]

I believe he was.

[Antonio Brown]

Come on, man. You see how he Look. You think Dr. The King is not getting?

[Theo Von]

Oh, I. Yeah, I would definitely. I. I could see him definitely getting.

[Antonio Brown]

But that's what they do. They change the narrative on guys.

[Theo Von]

Well, they want to bring. They wanted to.

[Antonio Brown]

They want why they do that, though?

[Theo Von]

It could be a character assassination.

[Antonio Brown]

Nah. Yeah, it's always a character assassination when you black because they always going to make it seem like you just too aggressive or too flamboyant, you know?

[Theo Von]

But when they say who. When they. When you say they are, does it mean, like, are you talking the FBI, the CIA? Are you.

[Antonio Brown]

I don't know who is they?

[Theo Von]

Right?

[Antonio Brown]

They is a word that you just try to figure out who is they.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I'm saying? So when I say they, I'm not talking about no particular people. It may be, but it's definitely some people in power. I don't know who they is. They is a mystical word. That's why it's called conspiracy, Kapussi.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Antonio Brown]

Because we don't know who the guy who's doing the. But we know we getting right? Right.

[Theo Von]

Tv oh, if I wake up with come on my shoulder, bro. Something must have happened, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

I'm having wet dreams. Just come all over myself.

[Theo Von]

Something must have happened, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, bro.

[Theo Von]

What's going on?

[Antonio Brown]

What the is going on?

[Theo Von]

Don't ask me, bro. If you ask me, I don't do with it. I got nothing to do.

[Antonio Brown]

Hey, my name Bennett. I'm not in it, but I'm seeing what's going on. I'm just seeing what's going on.

[Theo Von]

This episode is sponsored by Underdog. Yeah, we finally found it, baby. We finally found a hitter for putting a little money on sports. With Underdog, all you have to do is choose higher or lower on stats. Cook up a few of those, and you've got an entry. You can fire off an entry for as little as $1 and win up to 1000 times your money. That's a lot. And these guys at Underdog care about keeping things fun. They've got responsible gaming limits and other resources to make sure this doesn't turn into one of the dark arts. If you sign up for Underdog today, you'll instantly get up to $1,000 in bonus cash when you make your first deposit and a gimme pick, which means a superstar only has to get 1 yard or point to win. It's fire, baby. That's it. They've got all your favorite sports. NBA, NFL, NHL. They even got NASCAR on there, babies. That's right. As long as you can game responsibly, Underdog has it. They've got something special as well. For the big game. If you sign up using Code Theo, you'll get a no sweat entry, which means either you cash in or you get bonus cash back. Thank you, Underdog. How about having better sex with Blue Chew? BlueChew is the original brand offering chewable tablets. These erection enhancing tablets help men achieve stronger, harder and longer lasting erections for sexual activities. Bluechew is putting its money where its mouth is and offering you a month free. The process is simple. Sign [e-mail], consult with one of their licensed medical providers, and once you're approved, you'll receive your prescription within days. Yep. Bluechew tablets are made in the USA and prepared and shipped directly to your door. You can take them anytime, day or night. So you can plan ahead or be ready whenever an opportunity arises. And we've got a special deal for our listeners. Try your first month of BlueChew free. Visit blue c h e w.com for more details and important safety information. And we thank BlueChew for sponsoring the podcast Cracker of the Year. What? Oh, go on.

[Antonio Brown]

So that's why I started the Cracker of the Year, to just breeze the gap between people because we all want human race. And I was like, you know what, let me bridge the gap, you know, because I love my crackers. You know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

That's what made me rich. Shout out to Art Rooney, Dan Rooney, some of my favorite Crackers of the year. You know, I just, you know, we want to bridge the gap of racism, which is.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And some of the ways to do that is humor.

[Antonio Brown]

I agree. Humor, right? You a funny motherfucker.

[Theo Von]

Well, thanks, man. You are too, dude.

[Antonio Brown]

Thank you, bro.

[Theo Von]

You definitely. You went about it some unique ways, too. That's like your own thing. I think you're really unique. Unique.

[Antonio Brown]

Thank you, brother.

[Theo Von]

Did you always have a desire to be like, I know this is. It's a kind of a strange question, but did you always have a desire to be unique or to be different like this?

[Antonio Brown]

I be myself, man. I feel like in life it's free to be who you are.

[Theo Von]

But were you always like that as much or were you more of like, was there a point where you're like, you know what? I'm just gonna do things how I want to do them now?

[Antonio Brown]

Nah, you gotta always expect authority. You know what I'm saying? Like, in life, you got to know your position and respect authority. You can't really. In life, you need people. You can't really do nothing by yourself. Like, even playing football is like, yo, I'm going against my man, but I got 10 more men helping me out to make this easier. So it's like, in life, you need a team, you know what I'm saying? You can never do nothing just by yourself. And there's always a collective of people that's there, you know, in your corner that's, you know, pre emanating your highest self. So to me, I just always felt like, yo, I grew up in Liberty City. My dad was a. A great football player, but my dad endured a lot of adversities through his family, you know what I'm saying? We're just growing up in the 40s with my grandma, my grandma having to work a job and my dad having to take sports for, like a job early, you know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

Right. So it. Was it even something you think he want? Because I feel like this. And I was. I wonder if there's a lot of young black men, right, and young black women that do sports that don't really want to be doing them, but it's a means to an end because at some point it was kind of the only choice. I think there's more choices now.

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

You know, and that's just my outsider judgment. I'm not saying that I know that, but it seems like you do know.

[Antonio Brown]

That that's a valid opportunity. Because think about it, you're growing up in Liberty City, bro. I'm growing up where it's like drug selling and dope dealers killings right in this neighborhood.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Guys that's going to prison for life, right. In this neighborhood. So it's like you either become a part of that or you make a commitment right there and you're within yourself to be like, yo, I'm not gonna be that.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Antonio Brown]

I'm gonna do this, you know, and that pre eminent attitude and that individualistic.

[Theo Von]

You know, I see what you're saying. You know what I'm saying right there. You're creating some sense of individualism just by not going with the mainstream, that is in those types of neighborhoods, to have a little bit more drugs and violence going on.

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly. Because you either be a part of it because you've seen it, or you could commit to be the difference, you know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

But do the people in the neighborhood that are committed to the more hectic lifestyle and the more trench behavior, do they look down upon guys who were trying to get out?

[Antonio Brown]

They respect it, man. Like those guys that come to me and be like, yo, don't do what we do, man. Go money, man. Make sure I got your jersey this week, man. We had the game two touchdown. So they giving me incentives like, yo, Keep doing this because I feel like guys in the city, when they get and custom into like the gritty it just because they know, it's like, man, ain't no other way for us. Like, that's how my uncle grew up. My uncle just always felt like, man, I ain't working for nobody.

[Theo Von]

I ain't.

[Antonio Brown]

Because he felt like he was already in the system. But I just felt like, man, I wasn't gonna let the system deteriorate me from going after who I wanted to be.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I'm saying? I feel like a lot of women that's in the black communities and males, they get accustomed with the trauma and.

[Theo Von]

They always get addicted to it.

[Antonio Brown]

The trauma and everything. Because your whole family here, you see your mom like, damn, this is what my mom went through and turned into. So sometimes I feel like you feel like, man, it's a part of my family now to just be here. But to me, you know, I had the attitude like, man, I got going to let my situation now affect what I could be and what I could do. Because in this situation right here, I could make it better.

[Theo Von]

And then once there's enough better avenues other. The. The younger you's coming up, start to see better opportunities.

[Antonio Brown]

Better opportunities.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I remember, yeah. When I was growing up, the black kids in my area, they didn't have. We had like the best job you could have, it felt like, was a school teacher. Right. We had a couple black female school teachers. We had an assistant principal, Raleigh Coleman, shout out Rip. And as he used to sleep in the trunk of his car at lunch a little bit, he used to get. Catch him a little break, catch him a little nap.

[Antonio Brown]

Wendy.

[Theo Von]

He said, look, bro, look. One time I was over by the fence. I saw him getting in that. I'm like, damn, what's Riley doing? And he looked at me like this. He was catching a little nap. Yeah, but they didn't have like, a lot like I remember, dude. It wasn't until a few years ago I went to a doctor for the first time that was a black doctor.

[Antonio Brown]

That's why I seen you never.

[Theo Von]

I'd never seen. And I'd never thought that I never seen it before. I've seen black doctors on television. I'd seen. But, you know, and I. I probably met black doctors, but I'd never been into the room. You're like, okay, you're gonna go meet with the doctor. And you get in there and it's a black eye. Like, damn, is he gonna know what's wrong with Me, you know, I just. My brain didn't.

[Antonio Brown]

Comfortability with it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it was just different. So I. Then I started to think, well, I wonder what it was like for black people always going to white doctors and be like, does this doctor care about like just even just the thought in your head? Yeah, so that was just. It's definitely interesting.

[Antonio Brown]

I think you never really see people. I feel like you come accustomed to, you know what I'm saying? Like, no matter what color the person is in position, you know what I'm saying? I feel like black people grew up where it was so rough is that you got to have a lot of love in your heart to not even get into that. Yeah, that just turned demon. It's like, yo, you got to have. You know what I'm saying? So black people do got a lot of love in their heart because you go through the most. It's like, yo, I can't even be a good football player without somebody saying something negative. And it's like, I guess for a black person, we're used to that. We're used to people assassinating our character or putting pressure on us to turn oil to get more diamonds out of us, because that's how we was built.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's in the history, man. Damn. Well, yeah. And I think I always.

[Antonio Brown]

I always like you some black before.

[Theo Von]

Right. Well, let's. Let me think about some of this. I. Yeah, I've definitely.

[Antonio Brown]

Okay. Did you have addiction for designer vagina?

[Theo Von]

I haven't been to the addiction yet. Yeah, it was.

[Antonio Brown]

This was an addiction Everybody get. You know about testosterone?

[Theo Von]

Yes, sir.

[Antonio Brown]

Okay. Do you ever get like, you got. No. And you just feel like you're mood off?

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, boy.

[Antonio Brown]

Okay then. So you a man. You get it? I'm not saying you think that. I'm saying you need sex because a part of a human body, that's normal. Exactly. It's a normalcy. You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, buddy. I know what you mean. That's normal, man. That's normal behavior. Let me think about this. You know, there was. I. I definitely. I envied black culture sometimes. I mean, a lot of people envy black culture because black culture is. Is where like, people take a product to make it cool. Right. So a lot of times a company will come out with a product nowadays, they attach a black artist to it or put it through the black community in some way, and then it makes it cool. Right. Does that make sense to you?

[Antonio Brown]

Of course. Because black.

[Theo Von]

I don't want to say I'm accusing Of that or anything. I'm just saying that that's what I've heard. Does that make sense to you?

[Antonio Brown]

That's pretty much a fact of the world. Is like, name some things that's black that you need in your life. Coffee. I know every. Oh, yeah, coffee. You got oil. What else you like that's black? Let me just ask you.

[Theo Von]

Black olives.

[Antonio Brown]

All right, so let me just ask you some questions.

[Theo Von]

Black olive, right? Fuck the green olive, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

If. If you was. If you was to go get a haircut. If you was. Go get a haircut.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Or if you were to call a handyman. What's some of the. Like, Spanish woman clean the house for me. Mexican people clean up real well, you know? I mean, like, what's some stuff you use black people for?

[Theo Von]

Let me think.

[Antonio Brown]

Feel good music, Entertainment.

[Theo Von]

Yep.

[Antonio Brown]

So black people set the culture for, like, artistic culture. Artistic culture for how you feel, how you dancing, how you. I mean, the value of jury, like, you know, I mean.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, A lot of our. A lot of culture is kind of set by the coming through the black culture. Let me think.

[Antonio Brown]

Duh.

[Theo Von]

Let me think of the word I'm looking for. Give me one second here. A lot of black people, I think, add jazz to things, right? And that could be to music raw for everything.

[Antonio Brown]

What's the. The artist who was a big artist who just copy everything?

[Theo Von]

Bruno Mars or whatever.

[Antonio Brown]

No, I don't know if Bruno copy.

[Theo Von]

Oh, copied. I didn't hear that.

[Antonio Brown]

It was a rock star guy who just copy every black guy song. Big famous guy talking about Elvis. Elvis off Chuck Berry. All right, thank you. Exactly. Robbed the black culture of all their songs if people just let him go with him.

[Theo Von]

Did he bring it up? Did Elvis Rob put that up?

[Antonio Brown]

Albert us over.

[Theo Von]

Damn. Really? Well, his manager was a. His manager was a dog, man. I'm not saying he.

[Antonio Brown]

Elvis was fucking girls. That was 13. How you think R. Kelly got the artistic to know, like, what a rock star is? You don't think so?

[Theo Von]

R. Kelly, I think, came up with some. A little bit of his own shit, man.

[Antonio Brown]

Yo, Elvis was only fucking girls. That was teenage age.

[Theo Von]

It was really.

[Antonio Brown]

Yo, Google it so we can educate each other here.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, let's see what's going on, man. What did black and Ray Charles.

[Antonio Brown]

That boy stole Ray Charles, so bar for bar.

[Theo Von]

Everybody stole everything from Rachel, bro. Come on.

[Antonio Brown]

You're right. But it's like Elvis was so big. Elvis was so right.

[Theo Von]

You couldn't say. Hey, couldn't say no against him.

[Antonio Brown]

You got to give the credit to the people you take. You guys can't rob people where they are.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I agree with that.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I'm saying? You got at least get the credits.

[Theo Von]

In 1994, Ray Charles sat down for an interview with NBC's Bob Costas and gave scathing critique of Elvis Presley. To say that Elvis was so great and so outstanding, like he's the king. The king of what? I know too many artists that are far greater. He was doing our kind of music. So he's saying that he's like. He's saying like there was some culture vulture style going on. But does it say that he stole? I'm not saying that he didn't.

[Antonio Brown]

I've heard this pull up the songs that Ray Charles said that he stole. That he could show you the bar for bar. Probably on YouTube.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I'm just trying to get some truth here because I've heard this too. I don't know if it's true. It might be.

[Antonio Brown]

It's definitely true. But think about it. If black people ran the country, it'd be true too. Because they'll will they people in a way too. So it's not like a knock. It's just a fact. If you came in up in music culture and you heard about Elvis Presley, because what was Elvis Presley time that he was around. We was probably wasn't even around when.

[Theo Von]

He was 50s or whatever.

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly. So you gotta think back. If R. Kelly came up and these guys are looking up to a guy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, oh no, I can.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, play those songs right there.

[Theo Von]

Okay. 10 black rock and roll musicians Elvis Presley stole music from.

[Antonio Brown]

It was hard for black artists to get their music played on mainstream stations. But that did not stop record label executives and white artists from discovering music from black artists and covering their songs. Elvis was also arguably one of the biggest stars to cover songs by black artists while mimicking their mannerisms and vocal inflections.

[Theo Von]

And I said, the king of what? He got mad at me. You see, I don't think of Elvis like that because I know too many artists that are far, far greater than Evers. I think Elvis was person came along at the right time. Well, here was a white kid that could do rock and roll of rhythm and blues or whatever name you want to call it. And the girls could swoon over him. Nat Cole got in trouble in Alabama when the women swooned over him, got put out of town. And black people been going out shaking their behind for centuries. What the hell is unusual about that? Shaking the hips and stuff. And that's all Elvis was doing was copying that.

[Antonio Brown]

This is Otis Blackwell. He is the voice and pen behind some of Elvis's biggest hits, such as Don't Be Cruel and All Shook Up. After briefly pursuing a solo career, he decided to step behind the scenes and become a songwriter when he discovered how good of a living he can actually make doing that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I'm not saying I'm just curious. I'm curious about it too, man, because you always hear this, but then I never really have any information about it.

[Antonio Brown]

Right in front of us.

[Theo Von]

Because this kind of shit happens all the time in every type of community where in every type of business where people will see stuff, they copy it and they take it. There's still lawsuits about this every day. It feels like.

[Antonio Brown]

Also, the laws at the time didn't like. The laws protecting against this are stronger.

[Theo Von]

Now than they were at the time, I'm sure. And if a black guy walked in a place that he stole my music, he'd probably be scared to even say that because of the repercussions.

[Antonio Brown]

He was so big for the executives. Like, back in the day, there was a different time. If you, like, just dive into the history and see, like, it wasn't big for back blues, all this. They was cutting you off. That was what Ray Charles was saying. Like, they was stopping your way for even making memes. You know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

I could definitely see that.

[Antonio Brown]

But that's part of being creative. I love Elvis Presley. I want to say it's no knock on Elvis, but it just go back to the theme that we was talking about black people in history being put down. But if a black person ran the world, it'd probably be the same way.

[Theo Von]

They would just do it a different way.

[Antonio Brown]

They would do it for the black people. But it's not like a bad thing. It's just what it is.

[Theo Von]

It's what it is.

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

But I could imagine this. Imagine this, man. Imagine you create. Created something really cool, right? Especially music. Because I think music is so special to people, right? And then somebody stole it, right? And you can't even. Because of how you're.

[Antonio Brown]

That's black culture.

[Theo Von]

That's what I'm saying. But how you're perceived at that time especially, you couldn't even go in and say, hey, this person even gonna represent you?

[Antonio Brown]

Who are you gonna represent you? So you gotta see your craft. But that's the part of being back, bro. That's the anger that, you know, you being. Oh, yeah, raped of your character. You being character assassinated. You Being conspired and is that you still gotta find the energy to put.

[Theo Von]

Yourself up, put your shoes.

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly. Just like being a football player. Like, yo, boy, don't forget a football player is a number, right? It's your number.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

They're picking many of you.

[Theo Von]

Number 84. Number 72. Number.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, it's all a number. So it's like, it's gonna come to an end. You know what I'm saying? Like, what are you going. What, do you want me to leave when I'm hurt, or you want me to leave when they don't want me no more? Okay, so how am I gonna transition to another job, right? Are they gonna be. Are they gonna take. Oh, all I could be is a coach. Like, I can't even show up on time to be a player.

[Theo Von]

Like, bro, if you work for FedEx, you get that there quick, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

No, I can't work.

[Theo Von]

But I'm just saying, bro, like, that's what I'm saying.

[Antonio Brown]

But that's like an average job, like, from a guy coming out fast.

[Theo Von]

You could get that there less than overnight, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

You know how many hits.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you put a post ride on.

[Antonio Brown]

That thing, bro, Imagine how many times I hit the ground. I played football since I was six years old to, like, 31. Like, yo, 27 years or somebody. You waking up, not even thinking of reality. My life is like, yo, how could I get open on Theo? I'm living this. This is my life waking up. How I'm gonna get open? How I'm gonna win the that's not even real life deal.

[Theo Von]

Well, is it?

[Antonio Brown]

I mean, it's a short part of life, right?

[Theo Von]

It's a st. Yeah, it's not real. Life is. But it's definitely, like, n. It's real.

[Antonio Brown]

But it's like. Like, yo, it's a just a part of your life to get to a position in life where you can live a better life.

[Theo Von]

Right?

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I'm saying, cuz? How many opportunities you got when you coming out of a black neighborhood? Like, what you really could do, you either could represent the neighborhood, rapping or doing some stuff.

[Theo Von]

Okay, rapping, maybe civic, like, you know, politics. You could be a n. I know.

[Antonio Brown]

Black guy. Come, friend. The city made a hot.

[Theo Von]

Come on. They got something. What about that dude at the truck thing the other day?

[Antonio Brown]

That was smart. Smokes and jokes.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, right. The guy at the trunk thing. Yeah. Do you see him?

[Antonio Brown]

I ain't see him. Pull him up. Let me see what he was rapping.

[Theo Von]

All right.

[Antonio Brown]

He was Rapping.

[Theo Von]

He was Martin Luther X. He was trying to be everybody.

[Antonio Brown]

That's what I'm saying. It's like, it just looked like a joke.

[Theo Von]

He was trying to be everybody.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, he was the nigger of the day.

[Theo Von]

Oh, he was.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, he definitely was. He's the only black guy doing some shit like that at a type of event.

[Theo Von]

Oh, damn. Well, you know who I'm talking about.

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly. I've been watching.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah, man, that was.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, that was hilarious.

[Theo Von]

He was doing a lot. Oh, damn. That's us right there already.

[Antonio Brown]

Oh, yeah, I'm putting us.

[Theo Von]

And that's. Who was that guy right there?

[Antonio Brown]

That's a real cracker of the day.

[Theo Von]

Oh, he got it.

[Antonio Brown]

He got the ginger beer with the black fro. Oh, he looked like nice rocking out.

[Theo Von]

He'll sneak in your bank.

[Antonio Brown]

Yo, who is your top five fliest crackers? Because you gotta be up there.

[Theo Von]

Oh, well, I'm not up there, man.

[Antonio Brown]

Give me a top five. Give me a top five fliest crackers in the world that, you know.

[Theo Von]

Wow. That I know or that I've seen or whatever.

[Antonio Brown]

That you'll give top five.

[Theo Von]

All right. Straight up out the gate, man. My dog, Brian Purvis, bro, who I grew up with, bro. Okay, One OG Wigger kid, okay? When they used to have him, bro, I used to have a lot more younger, kind of like, wigga type of kids, you know? Okay, like, you know what I'm talking about. Bring him up right there. Covington, man. Wanted. Accused of attempted murder and armed. Robbie, that's my dog right there. Brian Purvis, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

He wanted right now. That was a long time ago.

[Theo Von]

Nah, they got him right now. Oh, but he'll be back. You can't hold him down. But he was in learning disabled, bro, because they put him in there for wanting to be a. They'd never seen a white kid that wanted to be black, right? They put him in learning disabled, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

They do that to him.

[Theo Von]

So you had people that had real learning disabilities in there. Fucking Knock, Knock. Wilson was in that bitch. And then you had Brian Purvis just in there wearing, like, a Scottie Pippen jersey and just got swag, right? Yeah. They're like, no, we never seen this shit. He must be mentally.

[Antonio Brown]

And that's what I'm saying. When people don't see something they used to, they just throw you to the wolves. And that could create trauma. Imagine what trauma that created in that kid. Yeah, I made him a demon.

[Theo Von]

He trying to flex a Larry Johnson jersey, and they put him in there, man.

[Antonio Brown]

They ain't understand him man.

[Theo Von]

So he would be. He's definitely. He's in there bro. He's goaded. He. He's locked in.

[Antonio Brown]

I respect that.

[Theo Von]

Other beautiful crackers that are out there that are still existing well in the world. Let me try to find a good Travis.

[Antonio Brown]

Kelsey not up there.

[Theo Von]

Nah, he's good man. But they. There's so much now. Everywhere is getting is too much Kelsey. I'm over Kelsey at the moment.

[Antonio Brown]

So he's not in your cracker top five.

[Theo Von]

He's not in my cracker. Yeah. I'm gonna keep thinking as we go along. I'll name some more.

[Antonio Brown]

Okay. Who your of the day.

[Theo Von]

Let's don't put it like that if we can. Okay. Because. Okay. You know. Well let me think.

[Antonio Brown]

Some great never ignorant getting go.

[Theo Von]

Come on gang, gang, gang baby. Let me think.

[Antonio Brown]

Come on.

[Theo Von]

Well let's go through some of the criteria. First of all what is a criteria because you have cracker of the day. I feel like what's a criteria to become a cracker of the day?

[Antonio Brown]

You just got a good cracker energy, you know what I mean? You feeling like a boss. Are you doing something? You did something. That was. Everybody love their crackers. What's your favorite crackers anyway? Yeah, what kind of crackers you eating and watching? What's your sale?

[Theo Von]

Just a straight up. That saltine that came night. I think it just said crackers on the box. Right. There's a cracker of the day right there. Young, white.

[Antonio Brown]

There you go.

[Theo Von]

Oh, and there you go. So yeah, so these are some good crackers right there. Oh, that's Travis.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. You know Travis acting like your guy. He got the gun with the Florida swag he was looking at as your boy. Like he look a little awkward right.

[Theo Von]

There but yeah, he got on him, baby. He pulling up.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence. Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. That's a 200 million dollar quarterback right there.

[Theo Von]

Really?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. For the Jaguars holding the scrap in Florida. Looking like he looking like he know yak but you got like he know the sniper game standing like that, right? That's all right.

[Theo Von]

You got in Florida.

[Antonio Brown]

You got that Florida swag right there.

[Theo Von]

You gotta have that. That's a Florida birth certificate.

[Antonio Brown]

A fucking being a cracker today is just being a cracker that is showing up exemplify confidence boss like energy and that give people that happiness. Like what do you see when you see Trevor Lawrence posted up with a Florida Gators top? I say looking like a teenager holding the scrap like he's in Florida Understanding the culture and the energy of what's going around.

[Theo Von]

I say, you know what? Let's give him one more year.

[Antonio Brown]

Give him one more year.

[Theo Von]

That's what I say. You know what I'm saying? Let's resign him for another year.

[Antonio Brown]

Coming back.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's what I say. That's what it. Give me that.

[Antonio Brown]

This guy right here, he under major pressure. Zane Gonzalez, he got to win the game for these guys. This is the cracker here type energy. He fixed his hair.

[Theo Von]

Ain't nothing in your head.

[Antonio Brown]

It's not in your head, Zane, but he got that cracker energy, like he's ready to have that pressure. He understanding this moment. It's a big moment. And he's getting his hair fixed.

[Theo Von]

That's crack of the day.

[Antonio Brown]

That's it, right?

[Theo Von]

That's no er, bro. That's.

[Antonio Brown]

Yo, he got the game on the line, and he's going to get the done.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, right.

[Antonio Brown]

He scratch your ass right now. He fanning out the fade.

[Theo Von]

He's like, look, let me make sure my fade so I don't fade this ball, man.

[Antonio Brown]

The pressure on me. All these black guys couldn't win the game.

[Theo Von]

That's a good point, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

All these.

[Theo Von]

Every time the white. The kicker goes in. The truth should be all these black guys couldn't win the game. And they trying to act like now.

[Antonio Brown]

It'S not a pressure on me. And he bought this bricks. Look at him, yo, best play. Look at Zane fisting his face. One tap. Let. Let's have a back it up. Let's see how many times he fixes. He fixes like 20 times. Fix your hair, man.

[Theo Von]

He did.

[Antonio Brown]

Yo, can we get the count? He. And he's two for two.

[Theo Von]

He's two for two, right?

[Antonio Brown]

And he's still rubbing his head. He ran, but he's understanding the moment.

[Theo Von]

He went overtime right there. He did overtime at the end, but you got to look good for your moment, too.

[Antonio Brown]

No, but he looked like his ass is tight right now. Look at. Look at little Trump Jr right now.

[Theo Von]

What about him now how does he. Now how do. How does the community feel about him?

[Antonio Brown]

That kid is like, he's the next fucking. That kid look like he's the next fucking president and fucking assassin.

[Theo Von]

He the young dumb.

[Antonio Brown]

Nah, he's just like a young Trump. His body language is. His facial moving. Like it's like he got a subtle confidence, like he knows something we don't know. He looked like one of them Alfalfa kids. Like just a kid.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, like he got it Figured out like. Yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

That's I respect. He doesn't put himself out there. He doesn't try to do too much.

[Antonio Brown]

No, he's a part real low key. He got the mannerism of like he already got it figured out. It's like he's one of those. One of those special beautiful crackers. Like you go to him when you got a problem. He just make the problem solution. Yeah, yeah. He changed it like right there. He looked like he ready to change the tie. He look like he's just Trump's son. He's like he's a younger Trump. Like the amazing thing Trump have done. You know I got on the shirt today, man.

[Theo Von]

I didn't see that, man. Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Shout out to Trump.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And thank you for telling me.

[Antonio Brown]

Give me the shout outs too.

[Theo Von]

I didn't realize that they did that. They. Yeah. At that point after all of the things, man, every. A lot of people got on troubles. A lot of convicts, inmates, people that had ever been accused of crimes a million times. They didn't trust the justice system. They all got on his side because.

[Antonio Brown]

They knew Trump understand what it felt like now he knows what it feels like. The build like a Trump showed the world what it was and he freed some of my guys. Did he Sniper game shout out to Kodak Black. You know Kodak Black?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

He free Kodak kb, kb Kodak Black.

[Theo Von]

I wish them pills would free him. Tony around like he's been going through it.

[Antonio Brown]

No, listen, hold on. Let's get this clear, right. Anytime a black guy is being judged or misunderscrewed or Kodak Black is a genius. Hold up.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I agree with that.

[Antonio Brown]

Why do. When a black guy is representing culture and representing something that you may not understand, they just be like, oh, he on drugs. It seemed like every black rapper who become really. Well, he's associated with drugs.

[Theo Von]

You think so Future.

[Antonio Brown]

What did everybody know future of her Percocet. Molly Percocet. But that's what everybody. That's what people were singing.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Now all of a sudden, Kodak Black get his life together. Doing billion dollar businesses, opening up stuff right here locally in Florida. Signing artists, getting other people opportunity to live. He's a million dooll rapper.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

He's not just some drug addicted guy who just. He got big businesses. He got a team. And how.

[Theo Von]

He's a real business.

[Antonio Brown]

A real business.

[Theo Von]

No doubt.

[Antonio Brown]

A real.

[Theo Von]

But you. I think you. I think. Yeah, you're right. You know, I'm definitely judging just off of video clips that I see and.

[Antonio Brown]

Stuff like that nappy hair got it goes. You look.

[Theo Von]

No, I don't see the nappy Aaron goals. I don't. That's not the part of the judgment. Some of it is some of his behaviors and mannerism.

[Antonio Brown]

Okay, what's the behavior?

[Theo Von]

Just some of the, like, things where he's kind of fading in out of consciousness.

[Antonio Brown]

That's a part of being an artist. It could be he's selling his artistry.

[Theo Von]

You're right.

[Antonio Brown]

That's what big people draw to him. He's an artist, but you just can't throw him to the side. Like, not every time he doing something cool. Or if he doing the lazy.

[Theo Von]

Oh, he do the crazy. He got the definitely. He got like.

[Antonio Brown]

He got different deaths. He's got the. He got the bop. He's got this swag.

[Theo Von]

He got it. Oh, he has like. It's almost like a. Like a redesign of Bobby Schmurt. Like the. You know, I'm saying a totally different.

[Antonio Brown]

Like, yo, he's like. He's like the African. He's like the Haiti king, man.

[Theo Von]

He's like, oh, I didn't even think of it. Is he Haitian?

[Antonio Brown]

Of course. You know what it's like to be in Haiti? Yo, Haiti don't got water all night. Like America.

[Theo Von]

Really, bro?

[Antonio Brown]

And Haiti, you gotta hang your clothes. When you wash them on the line tv. If you go around the front of the house, your brother wearing your drawers. You stay in the whole neighborhood where your clothes, your clothes gone. You don't wait with this clothes.

[Theo Von]

You stand right by there.

[Antonio Brown]

You better stand, watch them drop. Because your clothes, your boxers is wearing by your brother. It's Haiti. They're not getting clothes.

[Theo Von]

You're right, man.

[Antonio Brown]

Bro, It's a different life. So before you quick to write off people.

[Theo Von]

I didn't write him off to conclusions. Yeah, but I'm part of that. You're right. Jump into conclusions. Right.

[Antonio Brown]

Because sometimes we all do it. I see a clip and jump the conclusion sometimes. You got we all guilty of. I'm not saying you. It's us as humans. Culture as humans.

[Theo Von]

Just as humans. Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

As humans. Because we all get the same hours. We all feel the same emotion. We all go through the same things. We just got to know how to be better people. Because they pre emineate a better world.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

We work together better and we get to know each other better. We could do better things.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

We are here together. We all need each other. No matter what you got or what we got, we all got to go to work together. To make some work.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

That's what called an ecosystem.

[Theo Von]

Economic.

[Antonio Brown]

Economic. Yeah. I knew this.

[Theo Von]

I know you knew it. I knew you knew it, man. Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

But yeah, that's what we trying to do. We trying to bridge together the racism to bring more people together. So it's not a default of having your guy in prison because someone threw. Because, bro, being placed in a position could make you feel away. Imagine your guy who you love, you putting your top firecrackers. Not because what he got. Not because what he doing, because what his heart is like. And what position he was put in. And that position that was put in pre eminent his behavior because he felt like shit. Everybody gave up on me. And that is not a colored thing or that's a human thing. Anybody who put it under the circumstance of everybody saying fuck you, eventually you gonna say you.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

What's so funny? That's. I think that's one of the. What I think when I was young, I did like I could sometimes. And I don't even know if this is racist to say, man, but I'm saying say that.

[Antonio Brown]

Well, get off your chest.

[Theo Von]

Hold on.

[Antonio Brown]

We all from different ways of the world.

[Theo Von]

Sometimes I would look at black. Sometimes I would see black people or black. Other black kids and stuff and I would be like, that's. I don't know what their life was like, but it'd be like, that's. I feel feel the same way they do. There's a little part of me connection, bro, that has the same feeling like. Like I just. I just felt like the world hated me. So like.

[Antonio Brown]

Because you different, bro, you come from Louisiana, your country. Look at your haircut, the way you talk.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I don't know what it was just in my. Just whatever it was, it. There was something inside of me that was like.

[Antonio Brown]

You feel like you a different guy, bro. You got a creativity to give to the world, bro. You got a connection.

[Theo Von]

But sometimes I could. There was this little part of me that felt like I could mildly relay. Bro, you can relate mildly. I'm not saying I don't know what it's like to be like somebody's life. And I'm not trying to keep interrupting. I just want to be clear. I'm not trying to respect.

[Antonio Brown]

I'm here with you. I know you got, man. It's gang time.

[Theo Von]

So if those. So the cracker today. So those are. It's just. It's a.

[Antonio Brown]

It's just the breathing bridge. The gap between people loving each other.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Because bro, say Some of the words that crackers made up, like, we all got different legal and we all like it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

But, yeah, but you got to watch people's intention though, too. That's a huge thing. And.

[Antonio Brown]

No, but that's what I'm saying. The ex Elon Musk gave us an opportunity on Xout to speak freely and positively, bring people together. So imagine I started a Cracker of the day to bring positivity to people.

[Theo Von]

It's fun.

[Antonio Brown]

It's fun.

[Theo Von]

People send them all the time. And I look at the crack of the day.

[Antonio Brown]

Everywhere I go, they're like, yo, ab, can you make me the cracker? Cuz his energy is, bro. The world is making people, people feel better no matter who you is. People just want to feel good and live a good life. We all know one thing in the world, right? We going to pay taxes and die.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. So in the meantime, in the meantime.

[Antonio Brown]

Let'S just live a good life, man, because we don't know when the day is going to happen. Let's just build each other up. I got black baby moms, white baby moms. I love all people. Everyone should love each other. And we should.

[Theo Von]

Well, yeah, no shit. We're just having a tough time doing it.

[Antonio Brown]

That's not. Because that's why we need more people like you bridging the gap, talking about the stuff that's uncomfortable, making awareness. You should bring a black guy up here who going through some shit and speak to a guy, bring awareness, raise awareness so people know, you know, what's going on. We can't change the rules that's aware of the world, but we can allow people to know we aware of what's going on. And we could be a part of the thing that make people feel good.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Let us least. Let us least do our due diligence to also. But just to show each other that we're aware.

[Antonio Brown]

And that's. I ain't saying you owe me.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Antonio Brown]

But act like you know me. Don't act like you don't know what we facing. Because that's what people were. If people knew other people was aware and it was encouraging, more people had. Now your friend, who in that situation, he'll make a better decision because he'll understand when he feeling the trauma. Like, yo, it's okay to be how you. It's okay to feel how you feel. That's the freedom of the world.

[Theo Von]

Right? You don't have to hide your feelings.

[Antonio Brown]

You don't have to hide who you want to be. Who you are.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Antonio Brown]

And if people misjudge you, then that's on them. And that's why we raise awareness to bring people of that misjudgment to make those people feel good while they're going through their trauma.

[Theo Von]

Cuz we all facing trauma.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And humor does it the most because it's that one. You're like, okay, I could get through that.

[Antonio Brown]

I know it.

[Theo Von]

It's okay to connect these two. It's okay and it's funny.

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Getting your sweat on might seem like hard work, but with Symmetry Sauna, it's a work of art. Premium custom saunas for your home or business. Plus a series of sleek pre built saunas. I just got myself a symmetry sauna and I'm sweating out bad decisions. Like the time I tried to just fill my own chipped tooth in. Why sauna? Well, it relieves sore joints and muscles, improves skin, boosts heart health and melts stress like hot butter. And I'm finally sleeping like a baby. Which is rare since I'm usually up at 3am Wondering if penguins have knees. Pro athletes, fitness buffs, big folks getting small, small folks getting big. Everybody's hot. Boxing and symmetry saunas can help. Designed in the usa, Made with aspen wood from ancient Estonian forests. Ooh, yep. Fancy trees. Symmetry sauna. The perfect balance of form and function. Learn more about how to get your own premium home sauna from symmetry sauna@ symmetry sauna.com T H E O. You all know I like to keep things cool, even in the winter. And nothing is cooler than a Blue cube cold plunge. I'm fortunate enough to have one at home. And let me tell you, it's like baptizing your soul, baby. Getting that little crispy bucket, baby. It gets rid of them demons we all have and makes you feel great for seven or eight hours afterwards. It's good. My buddy Thomas Schiffer, the genius behind Blue Cube, and I go way back and he just launched a pre sale for their new standup Cold plunges. Wow. These things are the Cadillacs of cold plunge therapy. American made, full immersion weatherproof frames and built like a Sherman tank. I'll say this, they are built well. And because you're listening to me, you can get a sweet discount when you mention my name. That's right. Just tell them Theo sent you and they'll knock a good bit off the price. So if you're ready to boost your metabolism, eliminate inflation and blast away your anxiety, give them a call, head over to their website. Blue cubebaths.com and dive into the details, opt in on their website or give them a call. I am grateful for the one that I have, and I feel honestly thankful to be able to have one. I know they're not in everybody's price range and. And that's understandable. But at the same time, I want to support my friend and his amazing company. Now, someone said that the prize for the cracker of the year was. Was Shangillis, right? Shane Gillis was what? Cracker of the year.

[Antonio Brown]

He was the funniest cracker.

[Theo Von]

Funniest cracker of the year. And I agree. Very funny, man. And. And the funniest cracker of the year. I agree. He got my vote. Now my question is, there was said that there was a prize where whoever won it got to say the N word one time. Is that true or not? I heard that.

[Antonio Brown]

Yes.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Antonio Brown]

But I feel like everybody in their life have said the. The word. You said it. Rapping, the song. It's a part of, bro. Everyone said it. And kids, even Tom Brady one time told me, man, my son was asking me about it because it's the curious thing. It's like you put power on the word. Like, don't say that because. But words could mean whatever you want them to mean. It's all about how you take it. Interpreting within yourself.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

If you say I'm your favorite nigga, it's like, yeah, I'm your favorite black guy. You know what I'm saying? If I say you my. That mean, like, you're my guy, like you my brother.

[Theo Von]

If somebody says it to. If a black fellow says that to me, I feel pretty good.

[Antonio Brown]

You're like, you my. Like I with you. Like, we genuinely have a bond that I care about you.

[Theo Von]

I feel like, okay, you know what I'm saying? Let's do it. I want to buy some J's, you.

[Antonio Brown]

Know, ready to do this?

[Theo Von]

But now was is there. Why don't black people lease the N word out to be said, like at a certain event or. I think there could be a lot of money in that. Is that crazy to say that?

[Antonio Brown]

I feel like just how you use it, you know, sometimes.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I agree. I don't mean using a derogatory way. But say like tonight they had like Angelina Jolie was paying 50 bands to say it right on you on a. On a live stream.

[Antonio Brown]

That'd be cool.

[Theo Von]

And you sold.

[Antonio Brown]

You would want to see how she said so.

[Theo Von]

That's the thing.

[Antonio Brown]

Like she has slaves. Like she said it. Cuz I might be a white Girl be like, yo, call me a damn.

[Theo Von]

Who are these people?

[Antonio Brown]

You don't like that, huh?

[Theo Von]

I have no idea if I like it or not, but I just think like, it's like, it's prerogative. Okay.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I mean? It's like exciting. It's just like I'll. It's.

[Theo Von]

And will they do it sometimes?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

No way.

[Antonio Brown]

Why wouldn't they? I'll smack them on the ass.

[Theo Von]

Oh, damn. I don't know.

[Antonio Brown]

I don't know.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I didn't know they're doing all that. So I guess if somebody's you, you can say it. That's crazy.

[Antonio Brown]

No. How many times you said there were a. Just like rapping a song or.

[Theo Von]

Oh, probably just a couple hundred times, though. I bet.

[Antonio Brown]

That's what I'm saying. It's a. It's a part of the words. And we don't have to hide our feelings as people of saying stuff to be a normcy.

[Theo Von]

Right, Right. To feel. Yeah. When it goes against kind of what's normalcy. But I think it's. Yeah, obviously you want it out of like, people that are using it in like a derogatory. But do you.

[Antonio Brown]

I feel like when people get mad anyway, they're gonna use it in a derogatory way because that's what they was taught to give off negative energy, you know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

I used it one time. There was a black cat or whatever was crossing my path or something, and I was furious.

[Antonio Brown]

What you said. Look at this. Say that. Let me how you said it. Say that right now. Say that.

[Theo Von]

It was around Halloween.

[Antonio Brown]

All right, Let me hear how you say that. Let me hear you.

[Theo Von]

I cannot say why you can't say it, bro. Because it's not going to end well, I don't think.

[Antonio Brown]

Why would it not end well? It's the N word, bro. Vocabulary.

[Theo Von]

Yes, but we have to bleep it out.

[Antonio Brown]

No, don't bleep it out, bro. Like, just start. It's like, no, I can't just be like, ab, you're my favorite nigga.

[Theo Von]

All right, AB I.

[Antonio Brown]

Perfect.

[Theo Von]

Wow. Why did we say it, man? I can't be saying that. Kind of. I don't want to say it anymore.

[Antonio Brown]

Never nigga me. Never ignorant. Never ignorant. Getting goals accomplished. It's all about what the acronyms stand for, bro. Words. Words can mean whatever you want, but.

[Theo Von]

You can't be running. You can't be. I can't be out at the mall or. Or something is saying. And some. And I'm trying to stop somebody. Like, hey, hear the acronym. You know, like that's the thing.

[Antonio Brown]

I don't want to listen when people know you from that you grew up with black people all your life.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, but I just don't want to say it anymore, man. How about this? Let me think about this.

[Antonio Brown]

No, because think about it. We gotta change reverse racism.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

And that's what the cracker of the day is about to make the comfortability. Because you don't have to hide some you like.

[Theo Von]

But you can say, you my G, you my champ.

[Antonio Brown]

You know, calling me your favorite name, it's not a bad thing because guess what?

[Theo Von]

In 50 years, people will look back and think that this is important conversation.

[Antonio Brown]

Of course this is important conversation because we're educating each other and we bridging the gap of racism.

[Theo Von]

We should not be doing that, dude. You and me, dude.

[Antonio Brown]

That's where we at. This is where we at in life, bro.

[Theo Von]

That's true. This is where we are. You're right.

[Antonio Brown]

There's a reason we're here right now. Right now. That's where we are, bro. That's why Trump, the president. That's why Trump went through all that stuff being assassinated, right? That's a black person thing. Going through fucking the court system every day. And he's showing that it's bullshit because.

[Theo Von]

He'S showing he was at court, left court, only to try to be assassinated, had to go back to court.

[Antonio Brown]

That's fucking being like Martin Luther King, fucking Malcolm X. All these fucking black guys in history that we just went over. Cracker of the year, bro.

[Theo Von]

Right there.

[Antonio Brown]

Show all black people that he understand what it take to be a nigger.

[Theo Von]

Gang.

[Antonio Brown]

Gang brocinated court. It's like, come on.

[Theo Von]

Free wife, third wife, tall son. That's black stuff.

[Antonio Brown]

Of course he got baby moms. I don't hear about his child support.

[Theo Von]

It's heavy, dude. But I'm saying this though. You don't think, say if Angelina Jolie was going to rattle off an n word at 7:30 tonight, right? You don't. And you got. And the black community sold it on a live stream, right?

[Antonio Brown]

People could love that because no, they're gonna like, they're gonna know. Angelina love black culture. She say, right, but she.

[Theo Von]

But also then that money, I had.

[Antonio Brown]

It when you could be a realist and be truthful who you are and not hide who you is because that's when you're being fake. What's being fake? Tv, hiding who you is. So if you already sent it to yourself, At Halloween. Why you don't say it with your brother? I'm your. I'm your one of your.

[Theo Von]

I just don't want to say it anymore.

[Antonio Brown]

You gotta feel like a man when you say this, bro. You already saying it. Don't be fake, cuz. That's the culture.

[Theo Von]

Fake it now. I just don't.

[Antonio Brown]

Because that's faking it when you sent it in secret and you're not able to say it around your peoples. That's why I'm making Cracker of the year. The normacy. You're my favorite cracker. These are my favorite crackers. Because, yo, these my guys, these my brothers. These the gang. Gang. These the people I kind of want to look up to. These the people who run in the world. Putting me in position.

[Theo Von]

Well, it's funny because you really kind of came into this position. Like I got a text from Rogan yesterday. Last night, middle of the night. I don't know. He like. He's the human owl, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

He's the smart genius. One of my. One of the crackers of the year.

[Theo Von]

He's beautiful. I didn't know he was cracker.

[Antonio Brown]

Rogan won some shit. He won. What do you mean?

[Theo Von]

I didn't know he won. I thought you only gave one award.

[Antonio Brown]

We had a lot of awards you missed. We had like 12 awards. Yeah, bro.

[Theo Von]

I love what you're doing though, because it's so.

[Antonio Brown]

We reversing racism, man. I love it human.

[Theo Von]

It's new.

[Antonio Brown]

Anytime. This is like the Kodak Black thing. And I go back to one of my friends. Kodak Black, Antonio Brown, kbab. The guy move artistry. Now they think he on drugs. Why he got on drugs. This guy just got a nice bop to himself that sell his music. The guy write his own rhymes. I seen him in the closet. He fucking write the rhymes, come back and put them. It's like fucking genius. Genius level kid. Been through so much adversity. Never gave up. Sniper game. It's not to kill people. It's to see the goal and hit it.

[Theo Von]

Gang. Dude, how do you get in that?

[Antonio Brown]

Is there a sniper Gang, Kodak Black. I'm going to tell him you want to be.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's his club.

[Antonio Brown]

This is his game.

[Theo Von]

O.

[Antonio Brown]

This his game? That's my brother. I got one.

[Theo Von]

No, I love Kodak, man. I don't think there's anybody like him. But you're right. I jumped against Jesus and thought he was. Yeah. Oh, I think he reminds me of Little Wayne in a way, bro. Like Wayne like that.

[Antonio Brown]

Because think about it. We grew up with this kid for he's k almost a decade in rapping, hits, records. And while going through adversity, Lil Wayne went through adversity. He was with the hot boys, went by himself, was the only guy with cash money and turned genius. While going through adversity, went to prison, came back. Kodak Black went through the same fucking shit. And still on top of the game and music and creative screen, our screen and unique.

[Theo Von]

But to come through all of that.

[Antonio Brown]

The perseverance shout out to Donald Trump, man, for freeing him, man. I love Kodak Black, man. Not every from Haiti. If your clothes not off the line, your clothes gone, man.

[Theo Von]

That's it, baby. If your clothes ain't off of the line, your clothes gone, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

So imagine what it's like. It's not water all night. It's not America, man. You ain't got water all night.

[Theo Von]

All night, motherfucker.

[Antonio Brown]

Imagine that, Rich, you coming back over here with little clothes, man. You ain't got no clothes. Your shrunk, you got nothing.

[Theo Von]

What if a big dude borrow your and the next day you gotta wear it again?

[Antonio Brown]

No clothes out there. It's bad. So it's like, yo, man, we gotta continue to bridge the gap with people who don't understand and make the uncomfortable. Comfortable. Respect, you know what I mean? And I feel like we got the power to do that. We got the voice and people, you know, and we already doing it. If you already send the word, nigga, that it should be comfortable, when you see one of your favorite, they'd be.

[Theo Von]

Like, yo, what's up, my buddy?

[Antonio Brown]

I'm your favorite.

[Theo Von]

I think, well, I think there could be a day.

[Antonio Brown]

You got to get the comfortability to grow on it. You gotta.

[Theo Von]

I can't practice that out in the wild, man.

[Antonio Brown]

You gotta practice it with me. I'm your black friend. You're gonna practice with your black friend.

[Theo Von]

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Practice it with. Yeah, just call me. We have niggerisms. I'll call you for crackerisms.

[Theo Von]

Okay, okay, hold on.

[Antonio Brown]

We'll just break bread like, yo, if. If you feel me, what do you say? If you didn't have no breakfast, waking up as a black guy. Yeah, we just eat a bag of chips.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

If you didn't have no.

[Theo Von]

Another barbecue breakfast, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

You like, yo, mom, we don't have breakfast, mom. You know, you know, but we breaking bread with just cultural things. Because that's what I'm saying. Culture create the economy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I mean? So we create a diverse culture. Where we could talk about the uncomfortability. Seeing Kanye west, one of my close friends, talk about the uncomfortability and get people on his ass like. But the only thing he was doing was speaking of truth, of an uncomfortability. He wasn't trying to bring nobody down. He just said something that made people uncomfortable. But as humans, let's practice more with.

[Theo Von]

Saying stuff that makes people uncomfortable.

[Antonio Brown]

No, no, let's make the uncomfortable comfortable. Let's not make people uncomfortable. Let's work towards bridging racism to make everyone. Man, it's okay if a white person act like he black. Kodak black. Want to be Kodak white. Sometimes. Sometimes he want to be a white boy. He want to act like a white boy. Let him act like a white boy sometime. Because guess what Michael Jackson wanted to be. Michael Jackson wanted to be a white boy.

[Theo Von]

He turned white and an Asian woman. He wanted to be everything.

[Antonio Brown]

Michael Jackson bleached his skin to turn into a white guy.

[Theo Von]

Imagine what was going on inside of him, man.

[Antonio Brown]

Of course, because he figured it out, man. Maybe it's a little better if I look like them, right?

[Theo Von]

Because they'll care about me if I look like this or something.

[Antonio Brown]

No, they'll make me the biggest artist ever. Because now it'll look more better.

[Theo Von]

You think?

[Antonio Brown]

I mean, if a black guy ran the world, who do you think he'll put in position?

[Theo Von]

You know what, That's a good point. If Michael Jackson didn't look like he looked, do you think he would have been the same successive artist? Might be. Right. Might not have, you know, who knows? Not in a bad way or anything, but just no judgment, which is as a fact. He might not have.

[Antonio Brown]

He was a black kid singing in groups.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I'm saying? He turned white and went exactly as a white guy. I was like, that's different.

[Theo Von]

That's interesting, man. Yeah, man. They had. What was I thinking about? What were you just talking about?

[Antonio Brown]

Michael Jackson was alive. He'll ask me to smoke one for.

[Theo Von]

Did he smoke a lot of pot or not? Michael Jackson bring it up.

[Antonio Brown]

You know, Michael Jackson was really like. How they portrayed him to the world was different, how he really was.

[Theo Von]

Well, I already really liked women. That's what I've heard.

[Antonio Brown]

He used to call women fish. Yeah, good fish, Springer.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

He gave a woman a hug. Yeah. You could do more than hug.

[Theo Von]

And they never showed that side of him.

[Antonio Brown]

They never ever will. Because they don't need to. We need to show him in a real submissive. You don't need to be a black guy.

[Theo Von]

Like right.

[Antonio Brown]

Dominate with his dick on the table.

[Theo Von]

Because so you think they was. They. That's the thing how media can change so much. The perception. But they can't do that as much anymore because now we got it.

[Antonio Brown]

We got the X off. Thank you for Elon Musk. We good.

[Theo Von]

I will say that, man. That is one thing. I felt like he was up. It was something where. Yeah. Wow. You could say anything you want over here.

[Antonio Brown]

Because maybe me and you could get on the X app and be like, all right. TV and AB are talking crockerism and niggerism. Yo, tv. If you go to a black party, how I should act at a black party? You should probably show up 40. You probably show up an hour late.

[Theo Von]

Hour late.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. And bring some food.

[Theo Von]

A couple babes with me too.

[Antonio Brown]

Of course. Bringing the hotties. We need decoration. You know, a decoration that look good.

[Theo Von]

Bottles in the clap. Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You feel me, baby?

[Theo Von]

Cause I'm a thug, right? When I walk in, put on Trick Daddy, bro. Or I stand on the porch dog.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

If you don't put on Trick Daddy, I ain't coming in.

[Antonio Brown]

It's a thug holiday.

[Theo Von]

It's a thug holiday all day, every day. Rip Trick, man.

[Antonio Brown]

Rip Trick. Trick still alive, man. Oh, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Damn, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

Crazy. You got cut to Miami, man.

[Theo Von]

I didn't know he.

[Antonio Brown]

That's why we got. Of course Trick got his soul food restaurant.

[Theo Von]

He cooked.

[Antonio Brown]

Of course he got me. He. He go crazy with his P.O. see, me and you was just talkism and crackerism, cuz. I feel like you got many times.

[Theo Von]

We can say that on here, man.

[Antonio Brown]

What is wrong with that?

[Theo Von]

They'll stop us, bro. They don't want to. They don't want us communicating like this. You think they do?

[Antonio Brown]

Who is they?

[Theo Von]

Good question.

[Antonio Brown]

We don't even know who's they but they out there. But we got to do what God.

[Theo Von]

Called us to do is communicate.

[Antonio Brown]

That's all we doing. Having a conversation.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

We're not saying that a conversation could help change anything. We just opening the minds of people who getting uncomfortable so they could get comfortable to know two guys from across from the world from two different. Could bridge the gap of being comfortable to talk about.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

How to see it from both sides.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Thanks, man. You know what? Because I think there's not a lot of times where it's like you can hear that you feel with like if you're talking to a black person or a black guy where I Feel like, can we try to just be completely real about what we're thinking or what. Or what our thoughts have been or what our real questions are. Exactly all of that.

[Antonio Brown]

Put that on the table. So it's like, dude, I remember.

[Theo Von]

First time I ever. I was doing high school sports or something, I was lifting weights and a black friend of mine spotted me, right? He was spotting me. And that was the first time I remember a black guy ever. I'd ever even touched. Like black guy hand touched my hand. Yeah, we never. We were spotting each other, but it was like. But I would just remember it. You know what I'm saying?

[Antonio Brown]

Thinking about it consciously. Like, damn. I never just.

[Theo Von]

Right. I'd never say it was the same time when I went into the black doctors. Like, I'd never. I just had. Never had like, what it. Like, okay, you know, let's do it.

[Antonio Brown]

That's why we should talk about niggerism and crackerism. Because now it's like, damn. For a person who never had that experience, they could tune in and hear me. And you talk from both side of a culture. And people could dive in and be like, damn, that's pretty cool. Cool is like that. Like, oh, I understand that now. So now if a person be able to go to a black party, they might have the Q&As and they had a black friend. So like, oh, I was listening to TV and AB in the space and AB was telling the TV like, you go to a black party. How to. You know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Antonio Brown]

What's the culture is Right. It is like, okay. And TV was telling AB about like how crackerism, if I was to go to a white party.

[Theo Von]

Different things, different conversations. Yeah. I think we just have to change the name and take the word out of the name. That's going to be heavy for people.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Because you can't have somebody talking to their friend and like, what are you doing tonight? And they're like, I'm going to this. You know, and they're.

[Antonio Brown]

I'm listening in.

[Theo Von]

Right. But you can't. If somebody hears that in a. It's just not going to end well for people. I think it's going to be.

[Antonio Brown]

No, I think we just got to promote it. A bridging culture.

[Theo Von]

No, I love the bridge.

[Antonio Brown]

Everybody's saying it like you said. You said it all the time under your breath.

[Theo Von]

So it's like, no, I've started saying it. I meant in music.

[Antonio Brown]

Of course that's what I'm saying. It's a part of it's a part of us and music as a culture of people. So, like, if you already.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, there's been people who said it. I know some people in our area used to write it in, like, put it in, like, a piece of paper, and then they would put it. Put it in a bottle, like, you know, message in a bottle.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And they throw it out in a river or somewhere, you know, because I.

[Antonio Brown]

Feel like the word has been given so much power through, like, generations of.

[Theo Von]

People, but it hurt a lot of people so much.

[Antonio Brown]

No, I feel like it only hurts you if you allow it. Like, things in life only give. If you give it power to it, you know, like, if you giving it power, like, oh, man. I don't want to say it, but I'm saying it's right. You giving it. It's like the boogeyman is like, all right, you could go see if he come. But it's like, it's not real. But if you acting like, damn, the boogeyman might come. It's like you getting that emotion in yourself. But it's like, yeah, as people, we already, you know, the. The. The biracial interracials, it's all.

[Theo Von]

It's picking up speed. Oh, it's gonna be beige. I say all the time. In three generations, everybody gonna be beige.

[Antonio Brown]

It's gonna be a mix.

[Theo Von]

It's gonna be a complete mix, man. Especially at the rate that a lot of. There's a lot of.

[Antonio Brown]

Every white family got some black dick in their family. How many black people you got in your family? One dick, two dicks. How many people?

[Theo Von]

Let me think. I mean, I definitely.

[Antonio Brown]

There's always some black in a white family.

[Theo Von]

Like, oh, yeah, my. Yeah. I mean, my cousin is.

[Antonio Brown]

That's what I mean. So you got black in you, so you can't act like you're not dealing with black people on a day, yearly basis that you had, like, you play with sports with black people. So you heard. You seen the mannerisms?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I think it was a lot more like growing up, for sure. Of course. And if I was at home, probably would still be kind of the same way.

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly. So it's like, I'm just. So you grow up with that culture.

[Theo Von]

Already, but if we get out, I also know if we can be out there. I mean, what do you guys think? Nick, what do you. Is that a realistic program to start or. That sounds crazy.

[Antonio Brown]

I mean, realistic.

[Theo Von]

I think it's.

[Antonio Brown]

Could work. Why not?

[Theo Von]

Well, I disagree with you guys, but.

[Antonio Brown]

Why you think Elon Musk bought The X app from Twitter.

[Theo Von]

Not by saying the N word, I.

[Antonio Brown]

Bet to give people the, the. The amendment. Freedom of speech.

[Theo Von]

Now that's a good point.

[Antonio Brown]

If we don't talk about the uncomfortable how when you have an interracial baby and my interracial baby go to his white side of his family house.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Cuz he got to learn that. He got to understand that because that's some thought he going to have in his head just like your friend. And now they're going to be like, damn, you mix, baby. But I want you to act white. And then it's like, what if he like wearing the jersey like your friend now? They're like, oh, he won't even want to be like us. We gonna put him in a LD culture. Now he doing something to ruin his life because somebody made him feel like no one loved him, so he did something wrong out of spite because no one loved him. That's what he felt. You know what I'm saying? So we could see Brian Purvis.

[Theo Von]

But he was cold on the court though. I know that because we could have.

[Antonio Brown]

Saved him to make him feel like, yo, you, you're not weird, you're not dickhead or you're not an oddball, man, you're special. You got, you got energy because you got passion towards something that a lot of people don't. So let's use this energy to the right way so you don't put yourself in a position where you want it. And you can't be around your close friend Theo now and see, you know what I mean? You can enjoy the life.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I mean? So it's like, I think let's not be quick to shut down on the things that people doing that we already come.

[Theo Von]

Because think about this, Amy. If you had when, when people who said something that was crazy right at first, people said that guy is crazy. Right? People said that is crazy. Right? Like even if you write them all.

[Antonio Brown]

Kick them to the.

[Theo Von]

Write them off, right? Even if you look at like Robert Kennedy Jr. Right. I don't care if you like Bobby Kennedy or not. He was a friend of mine before I knew that he was going to run for politics. We were friends, right? I saw him as a, as a reliable, honest friend. And then he started running for politics and he was talking about the vaccines and, and people said he's crazy, right? I mean people, people that knew him, people that. Mutual friends, like he crazy. And then he made it all, he made it past I'm crazy to getting half of the people to believe him, you know, well, that's a part of the truth, but that's how everybody's done that. Like everybody who ever said anything that was important started off by. It was unimport. It was not considered of value.

[Antonio Brown]

It was uncomfortable.

[Theo Von]

It was uncomfortable. That's what I'm saying.

[Antonio Brown]

Kanye west, you seen what his financial statements say?

[Theo Von]

How's he doing?

[Antonio Brown]

2.7 billion. Pull up, Kanye. Pull up. Yay.

[Theo Von]

Pull him up, man.

[Antonio Brown]

Pull up.

[Theo Von]

Recently?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, he's in China right now. He live out in China.

[Theo Von]

Oh, wow.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. Pull up. Yay. Look what it say.

[Theo Von]

The network is what the network on him in 2025. Ye's network stand at 2.77 billion.

[Antonio Brown]

Yes.

[Theo Von]

As confirmed by Eton Venture Services, based on his music portfolio and his soul.

[Antonio Brown]

Kanye west, the only black guy ever gave me $2 million.

[Theo Von]

He gave you 2 million?

[Antonio Brown]

$2 million for.

[Theo Von]

What were we all doing? Oh, you had Donda, right?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. Just like, yo, maybe how much money? He was like, yo, how much money.

[Theo Von]

You want from me to pull up and support?

[Antonio Brown]

No, just like the run the brand.

[Theo Von]

Just like, yo, is that Donna, what you're wearing right now?

[Antonio Brown]

Just Kodak Black right now. Kodak got my Donda piece. But this, this Kodak, it's my new SG channel. I just got from Kodak. But yeah.

[Theo Von]

Wow, that's cool.

[Antonio Brown]

I got the Donda piece. I got that. And the new chain, did he make it himself? Yeah, he had Icebox make it.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. So like, you think about a guy like that. He said something that was uncomfortable.

[Theo Von]

Right?

[Antonio Brown]

Remember? And what they called him?

[Theo Von]

They called him, wrote him off.

[Antonio Brown]

They did him just like they did your friend.

[Theo Von]

The media cooked him.

[Antonio Brown]

But guess what? I feel like black people were so used to being cooked and during the cook that you just. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of like a part of the history of being cooked.

[Theo Von]

Like, you just got us on the grill, bitch. Let's see.

[Antonio Brown]

Let's cook.

[Theo Von]

Let's see what happens. Yeah, let's see what happens when things heat up.

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly. So you just overcome the pressure a little bit more, you know what I'm saying? A little bit more with dominance, you overcome the pressure because you used to the pressure.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I'm saying? People say Kanye was crazy. He take Lexapro, he take this. He on drugs. He had problems with his. He going crazy about his kids. It's like, nah, we raising emphasis on how our families are born. It is. Kanye believe in marriage. You believe in. You feel me? Businesses or Pioneers.

[Theo Von]

When I see you, like, I have seen black friends now that have like children in their households are way different than the households of my friends that were black when I was a kid. You know, it's a different.

[Antonio Brown]

Not in poverty.

[Theo Von]

It's like, oh, wow. It's like more of like, yeah, it's crazy.

[Antonio Brown]

But you seen Trump just go through it a little bit. Assassination. Oh, they were court system, everything. Public news, shame.

[Theo Von]

And that bronze, I'm surprised he didn't go full dark on that bronzer one day and just pull up, right, and just go crazy.

[Antonio Brown]

He could hit a button, wipe everyone out. Yeah, yeah, he still, he handled it with class. Just like all of the black guys. He's like, Kanye show up. He showed up. He didn't run from it. He didn't take himself out. He didn't crash out. He didn't give out. He didn't give in.

[Theo Von]

Well, he went to China, but maybe he just didn't. He liked being there better.

[Antonio Brown]

He got a new wife, man, he's happy. Oh, he doesn't want to deal with it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, at a certain point, I wouldn't want to deal with it. Especially at a certain point.

[Antonio Brown]

Be happy.

[Theo Von]

The media, every time you turn around, it's almost like they're trying to make them crazy.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, they try and bring you down. Why you never. We just seen the guys worth 2.7 billion. We should be throwing pep rallies. Yeah, we should be throwing fricking niggerism parties for Kanye West. A guy that broke his jar in the fucking crash. The guy that gave so many people opportunities, making beats, producing to turn rapper, to signing people and giving and giving and giving to just be constant broke down.

[Theo Von]

Well, I think it's. I do find it interesting in entertainment that I feel like all the black artists should be represented by black agents and managers. That's one thing I feel like I don't see a lot. But then also, what do I know about anything?

[Antonio Brown]

If you got a black.

[Theo Von]

Is that crazy to say that you.

[Antonio Brown]

Think, nah, I feel like you, you should have the guy that's gonna get you the best opportunity, that's gonna rep the brand and make you feel comfortable. Because think about it.

[Theo Von]

Have to be a black guy, huh?

[Antonio Brown]

Who matter who it is, it could be a purple guy, pink guy. As long as you get your well being for what he go and get the deal.

[Theo Von]

Gang, gang.

[Antonio Brown]

And most of the times they gonna talk to a white guy, right? Who working for the company that gonna give you the money. So it's rather be a guy who look like him, the broker, the deal. It'd be probably easier for him to talk to him.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Right or wrong.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you're right, cuz.

[Antonio Brown]

Who's the guy in the NFL who own the teams?

[Theo Von]

White guy.

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

Every team, huh?

[Antonio Brown]

Every team. Wow. Exactly. So who also owned the networks that you speaking on? We representing certain different.

[Theo Von]

Some.

[Antonio Brown]

I'm saying selected people, but select people.

[Theo Von]

Certain people, certain people.

[Antonio Brown]

But the majority, you know what I'm saying? In life, you did this, do what's right to benefit you. It's not right. You gotta get something that life managers do with the people that's gonna be genuine and got your back. No matter what color it is.

[Theo Von]

Oh yeah, man. I talked to my friend Stan the other day. He's my, probably my closest black friend, man. And we have some real important conversations sometimes where you just feel like unconditional support from my friend no matter what.

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

What happened. Do you. I know you call you, you call your, your channel. Your is cte. Spn.

[Antonio Brown]

Yes.

[Theo Von]

Is that who came up with that? Was it you?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, it was me. Because I feel like people wrote me off when I walked off the field like, yo, he crazy.

[Theo Von]

Like, yeah, a lot of people thought he's crazy. Than a lot of other people took their shirts off and left their jobs. You ever see all those people videos?

[Antonio Brown]

I see, I. It was a TR video.

[Theo Von]

They had like 30 videos.

[Antonio Brown]

Hey, listen, I'm not a quitter now. Just don't give up your day job. I build up a lot of wealth to sit on. When I left out.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I left, I was getting into a, into a Lamborghini. So that's a little different.

[Antonio Brown]

That's a little different. Leave out.

[Theo Von]

Did you feel. But did you have an actual like mental. Did you have ct? You think like, did you feel it?

[Antonio Brown]

I feel like CTE is a trauma. When the NFL just, you know, being a football player, you gotta go through trauma. But it's like, you know, you prepare your body to endure the trauma. Like I lift weights, you know, physical therapy, mental therapy. I manifest the goal, you know what I'm saying? So you do all the mental clarity things that you gotta do to be welled off, you know what I mean? Take therapy. Do all the well being things you need to do to be a functional human, right, Family, a golly man, spiritual. So I feel like when people don't understand you or just like, why would make them lead the field for millions of dollars. That's what they try to say with football players. But CTE is A real thing that they determine when people pass away. There's been a lot of players, football players that died over the course of years that they just, you know, just write them off like they had cte. But we all have trauma, and CTE is a trauma that we all endure. Like you said, how you grew up dealing with trauma. We be like, life is a trauma. Yeah, life is not perfect for nobody. Only person had it. Jesus walked the earth and didn't have a. He was the only one living life perfect, but his life was evolved with traumas. They killed him in his earth as an example. So like our lives.

[Theo Von]

Good point, man. There's a lot of trauma.

[Antonio Brown]

Life is all trauma, bro. Sometimes your back hurt, your knee hurt, you sore, but that's what life's about. Our bodies is not going to last forever. Your mind is not going to last forever. We all got to do date the die. So when you think about life in the aspect of the reality, it's like, yo, I'm not crazy. I just walked off to put myself in a better opportunity. You just may not understand it and just thought it was crazy because you putting yourself in my shoes.

[Theo Von]

Oh, I've left work early many times.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

I just.

[Antonio Brown]

My job was on TV and now they make it on the news. It just happened to be one of them days. But as a normal human, we all had these days. This normal. You left your job, you feel me?

[Theo Von]

We leaving early today, boy.

[Antonio Brown]

No.

[Theo Von]

So it's just like, man, that's it, dude. But. So you never got actually diagnosed, though, in cte?

[Antonio Brown]

Nah, man. People can't even diagnose cte. That's why I started ctspn to talk to people, right? About their traumas and how they deal with their traumas and cope with their traumas, overcoming adversity. Because I feel like being a great football player, being a great person in any form of life, you had to endure a lot of adversity. Like, tell me some of the things that you went through as a kid, how you was raised. You told me one of your traumas. You said, man, I always felt like a connection with a black person. You know what I'm saying? That was probably a trauma because that's something as a kid you may had to.

[Theo Von]

I felt unseen. That's what I felt like. I felt like nobody saw me. And so I think that that was something sometimes I could. When I would see how maybe black people were looked at or treated sometimes, or some of just how they even treated themselves sometimes. You know, I would like notice just little things sometimes or as I got, as I became an adult, I could relate to little things. I'm not saying I could relate to any of their history like that, but I'm just saying there were little things I could relate to. Like, man. Man, I could. Now I can see why I gravitated towards some of these kids, because I didn't feel seen. I didn't feel like anybody saw me. I didn't feel. And if they did see me, I felt like they thought I was nothing. And so there were little things like that sometimes that I. I don't make it maybe could think about. I don't know. I'm not trying to make black culture about me though.

[Antonio Brown]

No, but listen, but that's why I started ctsbn, so people could talk through their traumas, cope with their traumas, understand how to deal with it. Because I had to learn how to deal with my traumas, to put myself together and be able to be in a position I'm in. Because that's a part of life. Life's about how you overcome adversity, how you deal with adversity, and how you overcome your situation. I'm sure you've been through a lot of your life. And that's why I started ctsbn to show like high level athletes and high level people, what are the things that made them great, what are the things they had to go through because we all went through something. You could have been raised with one parent. Maybe you just never seen your dad. Maybe you were just artistic. You like the computer, you never played outside. So you just, you know, it could.

[Theo Von]

Be you may have been raised with.

[Antonio Brown]

A six sibling, but everybody got some type of trauma they're facing. Maybe you're not tall enough and you can't pursue that dream you want. It could be any little thing as a human that we're facing and we all facing some trauma. So that's why started CTSB and so I could talk to people from their traumas. What's your adversity, how you overcome it? What was the bridge point? Okay, how do you get through that? And people could see when they watching the video of. Okay, I'm talking to Theo Vaughn. Okay, how the Theo Vaughn overcame that situation? Like, how did he get in that position? Because I feel like.

[Theo Von]

Because. Is it a weekly show? Ctspn?

[Antonio Brown]

I feel like I need to do more weekly. I feel like I just be using.

[Theo Von]

I see what you're saying.

[Antonio Brown]

Randomly talking to people about their traumas. When I see you know what I mean? It's random because sometimes it's a lot to talk to people about their traumas, because a lot of people hide their traumas.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

No, you know, I mean, a lot.

[Theo Von]

Of people, not like, yeah, you become ashamed of them, but comes like, of course.

[Antonio Brown]

But it's like, we can't be ashamed of the uncomfortable because that's the only way we get better, is to dress down comfortable. I did the mental health facility, the therapist. You've been all that. Yeah, because that's a part of recovering and getting a little Your better self.

[Theo Von]

So how long when you had to go to a mental health facility, how long you had to go for?

[Antonio Brown]

Just. Yeah, six weeks, two weeks.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that ain't too bad.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Was it nice in there or not?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. Whole is in Colorado. Colorado Springs right there. Psychological. You get to thinking, man, life's about looking at your life at the lodge.

[Theo Von]

It's called the Lodge.

[Antonio Brown]

Lodge. Is that's where you went exactly?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. It's nice there.

[Antonio Brown]

Beautiful, bro. It's a whole facility. Spa, gym, everything. Just find yourself. Because it's like in life, if. If we could just save ourselves from the moment, like your friend, before we just get to that point where it's like, damn, you know what I mean?

[Theo Von]

Free Brian, bro. Free Purvis, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I'm saying?

[Theo Von]

Bring him back out.

[Antonio Brown]

It's like, most of the time, it's like, yo, in life. You know what I learned, Theo? In life, it's better to be happy than to be right. You know what I mean? Sometimes people get so much trauma in their life.

[Theo Von]

Asian culture. Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

They get so much trauma. Like, your friend has so much trauma for people, treating them wrong. Treating the wrong. Like, he felt that was the right thing to do, probably to just do the wrong thing.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Oh, I'm sure you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, the only somehow I'ma show you to see me. And if it's gonna have to be a crime, it's gonna have to be whatever it needs.

[Antonio Brown]

You're gonna be seeing me to get that.

[Theo Von]

You're gonna see me somehow, Right?

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

I'm just saying.

[Antonio Brown]

But that's the attitude they take as a human, you know what I mean? You take that on your own, and it's like, yo, bro, ask your friend now, like, was that really happening?

[Theo Von]

Right?

[Antonio Brown]

Is that really happening?

[Theo Von]

Sometimes, though, the pain somebody I believe is feeling ain't even their pain. It's from another generation, man. So you have somebody out here expressing a pain that's Just been stuck in their DNA because the DNA has to be even at the end of the line. God made it all even. And so I believe it has to find a way to even out, because nature is a pretty even lady.

[Antonio Brown]

And that's what about the lodge and therapy and ctsbn. It's about understanding your trauma, so realizing it.

[Theo Von]

What is ct? Bring it up. I just want to have a clear idea because I always say it all the time and I have no idea what it is.

[Antonio Brown]

It's the new crazy. It's like the new what you don't understand, but it's really like a head trauma that the NFL diagnosed that players die by that they can't find out.

[Theo Von]

Till you die, so they can't find out to you. Dichronic Chronic traumatic encephalitis. Encephalopathy.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, but it's like, yo, you already got that if you hit in so much, right? You a football player, we banging every day. So it's like.

[Theo Von]

Is a brain disease that works, worsens overtime and can lead to dementia. It's caused by repeated blows to the head, such as concussions that damage brain tissue. CT can affect anyone who has experienced repetitive head trauma, including athletes, military veterans, and first responders. So do you have to get a. Like a diagnosis? Oh, you can't. Did you get a brain scan done?

[Antonio Brown]

I mean, I got a lot of brain.

[Theo Von]

Damn.

[Antonio Brown]

I feel like, yo, this is just like some of the. Like the. Just think about it.

[Theo Von]

I felt anything crazy. Okay. Sorry, I'm interrupting.

[Antonio Brown]

You playing football, you gotta understand, Vaughn, you're signing up the fucking bang out, right? Like, before you even. You playing the NFL, you're lifting weights when they hitting you. They hitting you to hurt you. Like, if they hit you, they hit a guy like you, Theo Vaughn, if they knock you out on the field, they're going viral, they're going on tv. They change it. They might get a job, pay raise.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Antonio Brown]

So it's preeminent for alpha males to just lift weights and hit hard, to bang out.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Antonio Brown]

So you know before you sign up, right.

[Theo Von]

If you saw me to the zoo, you got, you know, you gotta be an animal.

[Antonio Brown]

Of course. So it's like, okay, after you're done being the animal, and you realize being the animal just was for a short time. That is not realistic. It's just a part of your life. It's a kick game that you made your life. And you feel like you realize you get 30 something like, yo, I don't got that much college in my knees. These. It's only a thin line of college, right, that you got that just. You ain't gonna be able to run forever. You know what I'm saying? So you realize the real things of being an athlete. Future just number.

[Theo Von]

Was there an athlete that you saw, Was there a receiver or an athlete that you saw one time that really like brought it to your attention? Wow. The physical, the long term effects of the physicalness of this.

[Antonio Brown]

Nah. I feel like you always understand as a player, is it going to be physical? But I feel like it's up to you to play the game smart and put yourself in position right. You are you. It's like your craft. I'm a football player. I'm a receiver. I know how to run the routes on you with the timing and the precision and make sure I don't get hit.

[Theo Von]

Was there a season that you could have showed up for better? Like in yourself, like you just had too much going on in your own life?

[Antonio Brown]

I always showed up.

[Theo Von]

You did?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. That was my life. My life is my football. Like, yo, if I don't play good, I don't get treated good.

[Theo Von]

Like, who do you miss catching passes from the most?

[Antonio Brown]

Probably Big Van.

[Theo Von]

Really? Yeah. Big.

[Antonio Brown]

Probably both. Probably Tom Brady too. Because I mean, I caught some passes. I mean, I'm really grateful to be at play with some of the best quarterbacks.

[Theo Von]

Really? You did get to. That's a blessing.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I mean? That's super blessing, man. Being a good receiver depend on the quarterback. You know, you're only as good as your quarterback. And man, I was blessed to play with nothing but championship quarterbacks, you know, Big Ben and Tom Brady.

[Theo Von]

It's kind of wild when you see guys that leave a team to go to a team that doesn't have a great quarterback just for the money, but I guess that's part of it, huh?

[Antonio Brown]

Nah, it's a bad decision. You might ask Tyree Hill.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, huh.

[Antonio Brown]

He tried to be a cheater, man. He should have stayed. If I get Patrick Mahomes going to the super bowl, you in Miami now.

[Theo Von]

You are in Miami. It's nice.

[Antonio Brown]

It's not nice in Miami.

[Theo Von]

It's not.

[Antonio Brown]

You come to Miami after your career. When you ready for vacation. Miami's a vacation. You don't want to be down there with all this party scene and bbls everywhere. Distraction, man. You need to play in Kansas City. It's cold. And you focus on football.

[Theo Von]

Damn.

[Antonio Brown]

Know you gonna win.

[Theo Von]

What's bbls mean?

[Antonio Brown]

You know what a BBL is?

[Theo Von]

I know. I Hear the term all the time. What is it? Bring it up.

[Antonio Brown]

You never had no bbl.

[Theo Von]

I don't know if I have or not. I want to see what it is. Brazilian butt lift. Oh, okay. And they go to Brazil to get it.

[Antonio Brown]

Oh, Theo ain't got no ads. You ain't got no chicks with no ass on. Theo.

[Theo Von]

I don't know. How much is it?

[Antonio Brown]

You gotta buy new asses. It probably costs like 15 bands, depending on what size you want.

[Theo Von]

Zoom in on that one on the right.

[Antonio Brown]

Zoom in on that. You like that? Ads, huh? Hey, Brock, that's the ass of the day.

[Theo Von]

Hey, let's go, boy. That's the crack of the day.

[Antonio Brown]

That's the crack. She put the crack in a booty crack.

[Theo Von]

That's Brazilian, huh? Look. That's wild.

[Antonio Brown]

That's a new ass. Like you gotta get your. A new ass when it been hit.

[Theo Von]

Oh, God, that's crazy. I'll get her an suv. Maybe if we're married or whatever. But what about the. Whoa, whoa. What's this thing going on?

[Antonio Brown]

That's funnel cake.

[Theo Von]

That's that funnel cake.

[Antonio Brown]

That's that right there. Dead ass.

[Theo Von]

Literally, bro. God. That's a Birmingham butt lift. She got that central Alabama. That thing lobsided.

[Antonio Brown]

Dang cheeky, huh?

[Theo Von]

No, cheeky.

[Antonio Brown]

You get that skinny bbl, It's a pin on it. Depending on like, what? You know, like what you. You know, what your range, how you want to open your hips.

[Theo Von]

I don't know. I. I don't want anything. I don't want to. Some women, it's like, if it's too much, it kind of like. I don't want to something that's back, you know?

[Antonio Brown]

You want the Jello.

[Theo Von]

I mean, I don't know if I can handle it, man. I mean, I might swerve, hit that coney, you know what I'm saying?

[Antonio Brown]

Oh, whoa. What do you think about that new Jello song?

[Theo Von]

You know what, man? At first I was like, the bar. Like the what? The main bar is good. But then I was like, I don't know. But then I was listening to it yesterday a couple extra times and I did. I felt like.

[Antonio Brown]

You got one.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I was. It's just like. I think it's. Yeah, I liked it. I liked it.

[Antonio Brown]

It sound like a old 90s song, right?

[Theo Von]

It does a little bit. And it makes you feel like anybody could like it. Almost all like somebody from 15 to 50. Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You could take that in, shout out to Jello. Athletes being rappers, man, that's pretty cool.

[Theo Von]

It is cool, man. And I really like his brother. Played in for the Pelicans for a while.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. His brothers ballers, man. It's good to see all brothers.

[Theo Von]

It is cool to see three brothers get to do something exciting, you know? And then. And they had Zion Williamson down there. He.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, that kid got bungees.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that guy. This so exciting to play. But now that Zion's in, how are they in their last 10 games? Pelicans. Look at their last 10 games, man.

[Antonio Brown]

Zion carried these guys. They're gonna be as good as he want to be.

[Theo Von]

He just misses a lot.

[Antonio Brown]

They got to take care of him a little better.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You got to take care of himself, too.

[Theo Von]

I think so. But then also, you know what? I'm just judging. I don't really know now I feel.

[Antonio Brown]

Like they got to take care of him, too. Is like he. And it's on him, too. Is like, yo, it's a. It's a collaboration, you know, It's a combination because it's like, if the Pelicans gonna be great, they got. They gotta go with Zion. Yeah. He go down, they go down.

[Theo Von]

That's a good point. So it's like, how do you figure it? How do you make.

[Antonio Brown]

Like, y'all gotta.

[Theo Von]

How do you make your.

[Antonio Brown]

Your king to the puzzle, man? You can't have your guy.

[Theo Von]

You right. I think I'm just a little angry at him.

[Antonio Brown]

He's a professional. Yeah. I feel like I expect more out of him, too, because he got so much ability. It's like. It's so much more in there.

[Theo Von]

Yes. And with time goes fast, Tom ticks, man. You think it's not going to tick?

[Antonio Brown]

I feel like we just got to get them. They got to build them up.

[Theo Von]

What about when Leon left? Was that weird when he left Pittsburgh.

[Antonio Brown]

Man, I took the heart out of the soul of the team. Leon Bell, one of my close friends, is like, man, what.

[Theo Von]

Why was his energy? He was like the team. People loved him, huh?

[Antonio Brown]

Man, Space is known for the running backs.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Jerome Bettis, they love him. Leon Bell is one of those guys.

[Theo Von]

Like Willie Wheels Parker.

[Antonio Brown]

Willie Parker breaking long run. Russell was good, wasn't he Smoking guy, bro.

[Theo Von]

He didn't get enough of acclaim, man.

[Antonio Brown]

He was a great player, man. Were they more another. We had always good running back Lane.

[Theo Von]

What he know where's more or two.

[Antonio Brown]

Lane right from New Orleans.

[Theo Von]

Let's go.

[Antonio Brown]

Oh, you know your history.

[Theo Von]

Let's go.

[Antonio Brown]

We had a lot of running backs. Isaac Redman. We had a lot of good Good guys. The bus.

[Theo Von]

I feel like Franco Harris.

[Antonio Brown]

Franco Harris, we had legendary history over there.

[Theo Von]

Jerry Ol Chansky, he was an offensive lineman.

[Antonio Brown]

But it was just so sad because it's like, yo, Le'Veon wanted the guys to be drafted. One of the guys, you just, you know, he was this hard Stella guy and he was so special. And it was like, damn. It was like money stopped us from our goals. It's like, damn, y'all can't come there. You know, that's what I mean by both sides of people, of culture, even the team. I feel like once the old linemen and the teams went to like choking them online. Cause they was feeling freaking trauma. It's like, yo, we need him, but it's like how he feel like he don't need us. So now they like, yo, it's like, fuck you. Fuck you. It's like, man, as people. People, we gotta make the uncomfortable comfortable or not. And looking back, it's like, yo, that could have maybe won the still as a championship.

[Theo Von]

A couple championships.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I mean? Just if we had the courage to go get Le'Veon, bro.

[Theo Von]

But. But what about. Do you think agents sometimes ruin the possibility for there to be.

[Antonio Brown]

I feel like a lot of different people in your corner, you know, telling, you know, I mean, building you up on what they think you deserve and what's best for you. And.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Not seeing the bigger picture. And I feel like, you know, that's a part of life.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You know, sometimes in life, if you don't act on the opportunity, you could miss it thinking it was positive for you and maybe it wasn't. And it's like, you know, life goes on no matter who you is. So it was like, yeah, I don't take my life for granted, man. I just in that moment with living, I just wish we could have.

[Theo Von]

Because it would have been awesome if it did happen.

[Antonio Brown]

It's like, yo, it was like, what coulda. It's like, what coulda. And it's like, we don't want to never be living in that rim of what we could have done when we had every opportunity to do it.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I mean? It's like that was some special moments, man. We. We was.

[Theo Von]

Who you got in the Super Bowl, Mike? Who you got in the Super Bowl?

[Antonio Brown]

Gotta go Kansas City. It's like how you go against Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey for 3p.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I think also I want to see.

[Antonio Brown]

It now because now we seeing another level of greatness.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

And another level of like specialness. Shout out to Andy Reid for just knowing how to do it.

[Theo Von]

It's true, huh?

[Antonio Brown]

Hell yeah.

[Theo Von]

But you had the tweet the other day was so good. He looked like Darlene from Roseanne.

[Antonio Brown]

Bro.

[Theo Von]

That was.

[Antonio Brown]

That was hysterical.

[Theo Von]

That's just funny. It's hysterical.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, bro. We got the best EP X app, bro. I only like my X app because.

[Theo Von]

You can say Xbox. X act and Xbox.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. And ex girlfriend sometimes, you know.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, sometimes. But this is so true. Remember when my home was played? Darlene on Rose.

[Antonio Brown]

Definitely. That's his twin right there. That's not his face.

[Theo Von]

I know you're too cold, man. Do you just. Does somebody. Do you also have somebody else writing stuff for you or is just you?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, it's a combination. Me and my guy, Jacob. Jacob is.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that I met here.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, Jacob. It's me and him. Come out.

[Theo Von]

Wow, he's fucking. That's Savage.

[Antonio Brown]

Fucking the Savage.

[Theo Von]

He's a savvy dude. Are there some players that you're still tight with or. And is there a player?

[Antonio Brown]

Of course.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, man, I got a lot of great players. Le'Veon Bell, one of my closest friends still. He came with me on the Trump campaign. Mike Wallace, one of my close friends. Under the radar.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Pleskico Bar is one of my long time OGs. Played with me in 2013, you know what I mean? Helped me like, yo, man, move your split. Little tidbits he showed me was just working the outside receiver how to play with the split so people not understanding the routes and knowing what I was doing so I could just run different routes from different angles so they wouldn't see it. Just little things.

[Theo Von]

Little things.

[Antonio Brown]

Little things that helped me be great, you know what I mean? Deion Sanders was always a partner in my corner. Even when I came back to play with Tom Brady. Just the whole process in that Tom Brady was always a prime factor. Even though I joked him and shit, being in the tenor, he always was one of my friends.

[Theo Von]

He's a pretty stand up guy.

[Antonio Brown]

All the way stand up, you know what I mean? You always remember those people in the darkest time, who was there for you, you know what I'm saying? Who roll for you, you know what I mean? I knew when I went to the Raiders, went to the Patriots with him, had a star stint. I think he got to know like, damn, he be really a smart, working hard guy with. You know what I mean? A lot of energy and a good. You know, we're a man of God because you could you know, coming to football teams, you gonna learn a lot by a guy. One is he in shape? Could he understand? Could he know what to do? You know what I mean? I feel like I built that camaraderie was just showing him for that week of work, just like damn.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I mean? He brought me back after a year off. We won the Super Bowl. That's heavy, you know what I mean? That's big, you know what I mean? And it was just amazing to know that we could do like we could go plan something that we set out to do and do it and do it.

[Theo Von]

Do you. Do you think Belichick is as good without Brady or. It's just. In the end it's all just a matter of pieces.

[Antonio Brown]

Yo, no one is in the NFL is good without a quarterback, right? And that's the Tom Brady's don't come around, you know what I'm saying? You never find a guy who just got overlooked, right? And then he just turned superman and just wipe your ass out for 20 plus years, you know what I'm saying? Because not a lot of people get that trauma, you know what I'm saying? Like Tom Brady had trauma. Like.

[Theo Von]

Right? Something inside of him or inside. Yeah, something inside of him in his.

[Antonio Brown]

DNA, some in his heart part that was like summon his balls. Wanted to cook that one that was ready to go and not off the. Like. Some you never see again, you know.

[Theo Von]

Even him as an analyst, I'm loving him as an analyst because he gives you different serious. He gives you different insights that you never would have heard. He said the other day in one of the games, he said that, oh, I usually looked at how far I had to get and I averaged it usually about a second per yard. He said when he was like when the clock was really low or something, whatever.

[Antonio Brown]

I'm that living dream football. Like.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you could tell. It's like Drew Brees is the same.

[Antonio Brown]

Way that Tom Brady's a one on one. Trust me. I stayed at his house. That kid is 42 years old. Fucking breathalyzer. On the treadmill the day after the game and the treadmill on incline. He got on a. A knee sock. His. We won the super bowl and got on got a MCL the whole game. He can't even wear. Yo.

[Theo Von]

He.

[Antonio Brown]

He wearing jeans to practice. He practiced in that denim jeans. Damn. With a knee brace. And he like, yo, one more route. He's always a one more guy. He's never wor. This one more yo, this right here for the Super Bowl.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Antonio Brown]

N. He's always just the most prepared, bro. I never seen a guy live and sleep. Fucking winning football games. Like, fucking. He lose a game. That fucking guy look like he lost a relative, like someone died, like he.

[Theo Von]

Lost one of his.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. Like, even if you seen him, it's like, you don't want to. Tom. After that loss.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

It's like, yo, he's driving even more. Like, hit the gas even more. It's like some. You want to be. It's like some Navy seal. It's like, right.

[Theo Von]

That much energy, that much infection.

[Antonio Brown]

It's like, yo, let's go out and.

[Theo Von]

Do it towards it. Describe. I want. I wanted you to some of these words for teams. I'm gonna give you a name of a team. You just give me a word or two to describe them. Ravens. Aggressive Browns.

[Antonio Brown]

Toilet Bowl. You know how to take the Cleveland. How many times you take the Cleveland Browns to the Super Bowl? How many times you understand that bar?

[Theo Von]

Y'all better dig Jim Brown up.

[Antonio Brown]

I'm talking about taking a. Oh, dang. Cleveland Browns to the Super Bowl. That's the toilet. Because that's the only super bowl they going to the toilet. You go to the Browns. Yeah. You know where you going?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. So people know when they go in there, it's done. Huh?

[Antonio Brown]

Same shit, different toilet.

[Theo Von]

Oh.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I'm saying? It's just a foul of shit. Oh, come on.

[Theo Von]

What about the Bangles? And you see the Bengals?

[Antonio Brown]

The Bengals.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Ah, the Bengals. I think of Patman Jones, like, raw player. Great player, but some way they gonna fuck it up. Just a fuck up. Just a knucklehead, you feel me? Like some way that Cincinnati always fuck it up. It's like Joe Burrow just look like Ellen, like. But I like Chase Daniels.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you like Chase Daniels? Yeah, he's backup quarterback, right?

[Antonio Brown]

He's the running back.

[Theo Von]

Oh, he is Chase Daniels.

[Antonio Brown]

Davis. What's his name? Chase. He's the number one receiver. I can't. I don't know how I know his name, but his name, Chase. He's a elite. I think he was a triple crown of the league. Yeah, he was the.

[Theo Von]

They are. Yeah. Jamar being chased. That's for sure. I love, bro. He had a great season now.

[Antonio Brown]

He did. He played like a champion, though. He did good at this for, like.

[Theo Von]

But still the game is. You got to get.

[Antonio Brown]

Nah. Joe played his ass off.

[Theo Von]

But what about the Jets?

[Antonio Brown]

Now the jets is the Jets. It's like this is the side chick in New York, you know?

[Theo Von]

Oh, Damn.

[Antonio Brown]

You know the jet. No, I feel like all New York teams right now is just.

[Theo Von]

It's hectic.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, it's walkie right now.

[Theo Von]

It's hectic over there. What's a little bit of news that's going on, man? We got any news stories?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, Trump said he's gonna release the MLK file. Yeah, that's what I told you. He's talking about that.

[Theo Von]

But see, I believe that that's the. Here's what I believe in that. I believe the CIA or the FBI or whatever has gone through probably marked stuff in there to make MLK look bad. Right.

[Antonio Brown]

Because they changed the narrative.

[Theo Von]

They want to bring him down. Because here's what happens is they start to. First they give you leaders, then they start to release information that brings those leaders down. And when they do that, they kill a culture. They killing a culture. Right, of course. So now all the people that had him as like a. As a role model and. And he may have had another guy and a high level guy, he may have had a unique life that was filled with different things, but it didn't make him maybe a bad guy.

[Antonio Brown]

So just my. It just. It just take away. That's what I'm saying.

[Theo Von]

Like you want to take away your culture.

[Antonio Brown]

That's what America been based on for.

[Theo Von]

Black culture and white culture too, man. It happens now for white culture too.

[Antonio Brown]

I feel have it for all humans. That's what we got to preeminate it just mostly for the blacks. The black superheroes.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. I mean it's definitely happened more to blacks, but now you're seeing where they're going and taking down like they're really. The media can go and take black leaders down. Right?

[Antonio Brown]

I mean, that's all it is, is immediate takedown.

[Theo Von]

It always.

[Antonio Brown]

That's all there's a man.

[Theo Von]

What else we got?

[Antonio Brown]

The only person in the world after.

[Theo Von]

With a functioning pig organ is thriving.

[Antonio Brown]

After a record two months.

[Theo Von]

Oh, damn. Let's pull that up, man. Have you had any. They got a pig organ they put in somebody. This. This the only person in the world.

[Antonio Brown]

With a functioning person. Damn.

[Theo Von]

Oh, damn. Is it. An Alabama woman passed a major milestone Saturday to become the longest living recipient of a pig organization. Organ transplant. Healthy and full of energy with her new kidney. 61 days and counting. Man, that's. That's kind of messed up, man. I feel like hot in a piece of hot and pork inside of a black person. Seems up, right?

[Antonio Brown]

And Alabama. Come on.

[Theo Von]

Come on, man. That's insider trading, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

You came as they just turned into a pig.

[Theo Von]

I mean, it's just like.

[Antonio Brown]

Well, that's just bad walking business, bro.

[Theo Von]

But a lot of people love bake. You can't put a piece of bacon inside of somebody body.

[Antonio Brown]

Why the would she get that? That's all they had.

[Theo Von]

That's a good point, man. See, that's the kind of that black people were going through. Like, hey, we ain't got a regular heart.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, this is outside.

[Theo Von]

We'll put this side hard in you.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, they can't do them like that. They got to stop doing us like that.

[Theo Von]

God damn, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

We could get a regular one. They got no regular ones out there.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. At least death. Yeah, you can't.

[Antonio Brown]

That's a lot. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Even if it.

[Antonio Brown]

What's the source of you living, like, in a pig organ?

[Theo Von]

Even give her one with the beats off a little bit. That's fine. You know, Put that remix in her, but don't give her a pig heart. Scientists are genetically altering pigs so their organs are more human, like, to address a severe shortage of transplantable human organs. Well, it's interesting. What else, man? What else have we covered? I'm trying to think of things that I wanted to cover today, man. Tiger King, star Joe Exotic claims eight.

[Antonio Brown]

Prison guards beat him up after one tried to force him to give oral sex an interview with Mac.

[Theo Von]

That's Tiger King. Y'all mess with him. This guy, remember him?

[Antonio Brown]

Oh, they trying to take out.

[Theo Von]

They trying to get him in jail, but he in there slurping for show, bro. He been in there. But. Yeah, that's one thing I think is if they. I don't know what else I think, man. My brain's tired. Yours get tired sometimes?

[Antonio Brown]

Nah, I keep it going off. I'm.

[Theo Von]

How much pot do you smoke today?

[Antonio Brown]

You think that's my first two joints.

[Theo Von]

Damn.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, I can't.

[Theo Von]

Black people are so much better at getting high, I think, man, because you.

[Antonio Brown]

Got a lot of trauma to help you relax.

[Theo Von]

I. Dude, I got high. Couldn't walk four or five feet without making sure everybody's okay. But I'll see. Black guys will play a whole basketball game on a. On a. Being high.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah. You got high testosterone, ready to go.

[Theo Von]

I don't know. I was always a beyond. Blew my mind.

[Antonio Brown]

You just gotta slam you. If you. If you want to be black, just slam your dick in the door. It's gonna swallow, and then you black. Yeah. Then your energy gonna go up. You feel me?

[Theo Von]

I don't know, bro. Bro, I. I can't take any more Medical. I can't take any more suggestions from you today, bro. You're gonna have me with a sore dick yelling the N word. I don't the interstate going be going viral. Yeah, we going.

[Antonio Brown]

It's a black party, bro.

[Theo Von]

Oh, man, I appreciate you coming ab man.

[Antonio Brown]

Thanks for having me, man. It was an honor, man, to just, you know, sit down, talk about some huge stuff, even if it was uncomfortable. Just make the normalcy of just breaking bread, you know.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, I'm intrigued. What do you kind of see, like what things you want to do in the coming future? Because it's like I feel like at first people thought you was kind of crazy and then now people are like thinking, well, well, you know what? That's all judgment. What do you want to do? What's some things you like? Like do you feel like you want to achieve?

[Antonio Brown]

You know, I just want to, you know, serve my purpose of living. You know, giving out light, encouraging people and you know, bridging the gap. You know, some of the stuff we've been doing on X, bringing a comedy between, like bridging the gap of people and just opening people's minds of, you know, experiencing, being, making people aware of what the traumas they face. You know, just being a normal person, not even being a celebrity or any type of color, just people as humans.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I mean? Going through traumas and overcoming and just bridging the gap or just raising awareness for leaders.

[Theo Von]

What's one of your biggest regrets you've had over the years, if you have one?

[Antonio Brown]

My biggest regret probably was just like not throwing a wedding for myself. You know, I feel like so many people me over and do so much bad parties, I might as well just go to the altar with myself and celebrate myself that much, huh? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because I feel like life is about living and I feel like you gotta love yourself and being a black person. You experience so much trauma with so many people writing you down, changing the narrative character bring you down. So it's like you got to keep enough sanity and not enough, you know what I mean? Enthusiasm to just be encouraged and have the confidence. Because not everybody could overcome with people writing them off, killing their character, bringing them down, making them feel a certain way. It take a strong individual to be able to, you know, overcome that. So I feel like just continue to raise an awareness, talking to people like yourself, high level people that, you know, bridging the gap, which is raising conversation that inspired the youth in the world, you know, just spreading the Light. You know, I think I accomplished a lot of things in my life in a short time. And I feel like now it's just being that inspiration. As a human, the highest thing you could do is inspire. So just inspire people. Raising conversations. Yeah, Inspiring people, bringing smiles and bringing people together.

[Theo Von]

You do that. I mean, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I think you really seem like an interesting guy. I'm glad that I got to get to. To chat with you. And I do think too, they should auction off that N word once in a while, man.

[Antonio Brown]

Maybe have that little auction, man.

[Theo Von]

Think about it.

[Antonio Brown]

Maybe we had a awards and then just maybe change the name. Where. I know you hate the word, but it's like, it's a part of history. The word only get. Yo, we need to create.

[Theo Von]

We'll sit in the back this time if y'all do have it. How about that?

[Antonio Brown]

No, you gotta be in the front line.

[Theo Von]

That's gonna cause a lot of controversy. Dude, I ain't.

[Antonio Brown]

We gonna build it up. We gonna throw all the teachers, get the commercials. We gonna.

[Theo Von]

Gonna make sure we gonna free Brian Purvis. Let him give one out.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, we're gonna talk to Brian Puris on the CTSPN and talk about some of his traumas. What did he learn and where he.

[Theo Von]

And why he went to black culture to feel comfortable too. Because I think that's an interesting thing that would.

[Antonio Brown]

Embracing it probably how he grew up made him feel like he was one of the gods, Cuz imagine when people, not your own people, when your own people treat you like you feel like black people. Because a lot of people know is they'd be like, treated like. So I was like, yo, we go treat you like. So it's like until you break the culture of shit. And making people understand it's okay to be of the not normal, but still have that love to still build them in the right way so you don't turn the right wrong way or do the wrong thing, you know, we gotta save people.

[Theo Von]

And if they had like a thing. Say if. Like, you know tonight, bro. Right. 9:30pm Macaulay Culkin is doing an N word, bro.

[Antonio Brown]

That's comedy, isn't it?

[Theo Von]

From Home Alone. You telling me how many people would pay to stream that, man?

[Antonio Brown]

They gonna love that.

[Theo Von]

And then you give the money to.

[Antonio Brown]

We donate to the organizations, the black community. Exactly. We make it beneficial, man. We know everything we do with positive intent to bring people together.

[Theo Von]

We're gonna get a lot of hate for even thinking about that, I think.

[Antonio Brown]

But I could think we can't worry about the hate. I find life.

[Theo Von]

Okay. You're right.

[Antonio Brown]

Because sometimes that hate come. And after the hate come rewards the good. Yay.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

After the hate. 2.7 billion.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Antonio Brown]

You know what I'm saying? After the hate come to love. I feel like if you're not getting hate, then you're not raising the composite. You got to be uncomfortable.

[Theo Von]

Right. You got. You're right.

[Antonio Brown]

You have to become comfortable to get comfortable.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Antonio Brown]

This is how you feel uncomfortable about it is that we gotta find the resource to make you comfortable. And we found the resource. Okay. Let's do it like this. We're gonna give back to the black communities. So now we not just saying this in the target way to be funny. We got a real resource behind this. And we bringing people together.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Because it's a natural thing. It's not like when people haven't said, there's a little kids. I told you. Tom Brady's son's been so like, yo. He think about the word. I had to. Tom. They had to explain them the word. I was like, yo, man, I think it's not in the 50s where people use this as not slaves no more. You know what I'm saying? It's like. It's the normalcy of black families being rich and living upon the same culture of generational wealth.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And building that up and seeing what the future of that's like in the universe. You know?

[Antonio Brown]

Exactly.

[Theo Von]

I mean, I'm just a wit. I'm just a bystander and all of that, but yeah, I think that would be. That would be really interesting to see if that was a way to raise some money. But that also might be really crazy.

[Antonio Brown]

And I think we talking the exact. Right now we was thinking maybe like the Cracker Olympics, but there was like. We maybe could maybe call it the ABC Olympics.

[Theo Von]

Abs in the seas for cracker.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

You know, I mean, that way, it's not like a. That's why everybody could feel comfortable. Because now we're not trying to.

[Theo Von]

No.

[Antonio Brown]

Trying to promote comfortability.

[Theo Von]

And you, dude, a lot of good crackers ain't getting it. They. They want. It's. You want to be. Everybody likes a little bit of shine.

[Antonio Brown]

You know, Everybody deserves time. We all humans, we deserve. Sean, no matter who you are in the freezer, if you deserve time.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. All plants.

[Antonio Brown]

Everybody's working hard towards something.

[Theo Von]

We look at the sun, man. Which we got. What? Yeah, we got another. Any. Anything else you want to talk about?

[Antonio Brown]

The Elon. The Elon Trump fart. The Elon Trump fart coin. The ETF 500. Elon Trump Fog coin. I wish I could pump out a fart right now, but I'm gonna have a belly. But, yeah, this is the coin. It's a bitcoin. What's your thoughts on crypto? I know you got a lot of.

[Theo Von]

Money, and I do. Just mutual bomb of safe, bro. I get scared about my money. Oh, wait, I did get, like, one probably 1/60 of a Bitcoin or something. How much? 1/40 of a Bitcoin.

[Antonio Brown]

How much is that?

[Theo Von]

I think maybe 3,500. I got in. I got a little put away. Nothing crazy. Jeez, up might be 4,000.

[Antonio Brown]

So check out the Elon Musk fart coin, man.

[Theo Von]

So it's Elon Musk fart coin. Elon Trump fart coin. Which one?

[Antonio Brown]

Elon Trump fart coin.

[Theo Von]

So check out the Elon Trump fart coin. And what is that? It's a coin that's out on one.

[Antonio Brown]

Of the best coins. Coins that I don't crypto.

[Theo Von]

Oh, really?

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, it's going up. It's heating up right now.

[Theo Von]

Let's see that.

[Antonio Brown]

TRUMP Fart 500.

[Theo Von]

Pull that up. ELON TRUMP Fart 500.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, that looking down like a. I.

[Theo Von]

Should have been doing a long day. That's just 24 hours. Give me it in a month.

[Antonio Brown]

Yeah, long day. Should be in green ski.

[Theo Von]

There you go.

[Antonio Brown]

I go to greens. So Elon Trump coin 500.

[Theo Von]

Elon Trump fart.

[Antonio Brown]

Oh, yeah, I was gonna fart with it. I thought he was gonna bust some ass, right?

[Theo Von]

No, that's all right, man. I don't think we need it. Let's don't bridge the gap that much, bro. ETF. ETF 500. Okay.

[Antonio Brown]

Trump fart 500 coin. Crypto is going up.

[Theo Von]

Gang, gang. And you trade a lot.

[Antonio Brown]

I trade a lot, man. I try to get into it. It's a lot of money in a digital aspect.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Oh, no, I agree. It's a huge part of the culture now too. Yeah, it's. We've all. It's all different things that happen in financial cultures. I'm curious to see what the whole future of crypto and that whole world looks like. Meme coins and everything. It's interesting. Ab, thank you, man. I really appreciate your time.

[Antonio Brown]

You know, man, thanks for having a conversation, chatting with me.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And for just the. All the tweeting and stuff. It's You. It's. It's a lot of entertainment, so thank you for that. It takes a lot of time to do that. People don't think about that. It's a lot of time. So thank you for the commitment, and best of luck to you, man.

[Antonio Brown]

Thank you, brother.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Antonio Brown]

Now I'm just and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones but it's going to take.