E573 Morgan Wallen

Summary

Podcast Summary: This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von – Episode E573 featuring Morgan Wallen

Release Date: April 2, 2025

In Episode E573 of "This Past Weekend with Theo Von," host Theo Von sits down with renowned country artist Morgan Wallen to delve into various aspects of Wallen's life, including his burgeoning music career, personal relationships, and off-stage interests. The conversation offers listeners an intimate glimpse into the man behind the music, enriched with humor, heartfelt moments, and insightful discussions.

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1. Tour Announcements and Merch Updates

Theo kicks off the episode by sharing exciting updates about his ongoing "Return of the Rat" tour, highlighting upcoming dates in cities like Oxford, Mississippi, Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Chicago, Illinois, Miami, Florida, Winnipeg, and Calgary, Canada. He promotes his new merchandise, particularly the "Onward Hoodies," emphasizing their quality and design.

[00:00] Theo Von: "These are my favorite type of hoodie that we've ever use... I think they'll be your favorite as well."

2. Welcoming Morgan Wallen

Theo introduces his guest, Morgan Wallen, affectionately referring to him as "the East Tennessee Elvis." The introduction sets a friendly tone as both hosts exchange greetings and briefly discuss their personal lives.

[01:31] Morgan Wallen: "And I will find a song."

[01:43] Theo Von: "Yeah, dude, good to see you, bro."

3. Family Ties and Personal Milestones

The conversation shifts to Wallen's family life, with Theo mentioning his mother’s visit for his birthday and their outing to the Opry. Wallen reciprocates by sharing his efforts to encourage his own parents to relocate closer to him, underscoring the importance of family bonds.

[06:07] Theo Von: "It's probably one of the biggest things in your life, I'm sure."

[06:18] Morgan Wallen: "I think it just gets better and better as... he’s got a little sass on him."

4. Insights into Wallen's Father and Philanthropy

Wallen speaks fondly of his father, highlighting his father’s competitive spirit and dedication to philanthropic efforts, specifically during Hurricane Helene. The discussion touches on Wallen’s admiration for his father's resilience and unique habits, such as prolonged fasting for spiritual reasons.

[03:10] Theo Von: "He’s always so chipper, dude."

[04:37] Theo Von: "A team of researchers from MSK has shown for the first time that fasting can reprogram the metabolism of natural killer cells..."

5. Father-Son Relationship and Personal Growth

A heartfelt segment unfolds as Wallen shares anecdotes about his son, Indigo (Indy), illustrating their growing bond through music. Notably, Indigo's first appreciation of Wallen's song "Eyes Are Closed" marks a pivotal moment in their relationship.

[09:20] Morgan Wallen: "And he was in the background, and he... said, 'I like that song, Daddy.'"

[09:42] Morgan Wallen: "He called it the Fast Song. I had to break it to him that wasn't me."

6. Songwriting Process and Artistic Evolution

Wallen delves into his songwriting process for his upcoming album, "The Problem," discussing the challenges of maintaining originality amidst prolific output. He emphasizes the importance of evolving his sound to keep his music fresh and engaging.

[10:43] Theo Von: "Likes being prolific, you know? What does prolific mean?"

[11:22] Morgan Wallen: "I've had to work harder... trying to dig deeper and not just say the same thing I've said before."

7. Friendships and Collaborations

Theo and Wallen explore their friendships within the music industry, notably Wallen's close relationship with his cousin Andrew and other artists like Miranda Lambert and Brooks. These relationships contribute to a supportive and collaborative environment in Wallen's career.

[14:14] Morgan Wallen: "I think he came from L.A., so he had like this... mind to Nashville."

[31:01] Morgan Wallen: "He's super nice."

8. Hunting Adventures and Personal Interests

The duo shares lighter moments discussing Wallen's passion for hunting and his farm, which focuses on deer and turkey farming. Wallen elaborates on ethical hunting practices and the balance between recreational hunting and wildlife management.

[35:44] Morgan Wallen: "We have deer and turkeys down there... the main thing is food and bedding."

[38:11] Morgan Wallen: "My son got a reindeer call... he was trying to mimic me."

9. Reflections on Fame and Public Life

Wallen candidly addresses the complexities of fame, including constant public visibility and the challenges it brings. He highlights his coping mechanisms, such as hunting and maintaining a regimented lifestyle to preserve his well-being.

[21:13] Morgan Wallen: "There's a lot of things you just don't do anymore... I've been hunting so much."

[22:24] Theo Von: "I can't imagine... stay good. Is that right, bro?"

10. Upcoming Album and Future Projects

As the episode progresses, Wallen discusses his new album's release strategy, setlist planning, and his intent to keep performances fresh by varying songs night-to-night. He also contemplates side projects that diverge from his usual style, aiming to experiment without affecting his established brand.

[56:04] Morgan Wallen: "We recorded 50 or 51 songs and cut 13 or 14."

[57:48] Theo Von: "Dream Dream Jacker. That'd be mine."

11. Closing Remarks and Shared Gratitude

The episode concludes with mutual appreciation between Theo and Wallen, reflecting on their friendship, shared experiences, and the anticipation for Wallen's new music. Their camaraderie underscores the supportive nature of both artists' professional and personal lives.

[71:00] Morgan Wallen: "Thank you, man. I say the same to you."

[71:05] Theo Von: "Cheers, brother. Excited for the new album?"

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Notable Quotes:

• Morgan Wallen on Songwriting:

  [11:14] "I've had to work harder... trying to dig deeper and not just say the same thing I've said before."

• Theo Von on Personal Growth:

  [42:17] "It's just about getting yourself back on the stage for that next."

• Wallen on Ethical Hunting:

  [37:00] "It's interesting... food and bedding. That's all you need for a good hunting farm."

• Morgan on Father-Son Bonding:

  [09:20] "It's the first time he had ever done that, you know... And he said, 'play that again.'"

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Conclusion

Episode E573 of "This Past Weekend with Theo Von" offers an engaging and comprehensive look into Morgan Wallen's life beyond the spotlight. From his deep-rooted family connections and ethical hunting practices to his nuanced approach to songwriting and handling fame, Wallen shares personal stories and reflections that resonate with listeners. The episode balances humor with sincerity, providing fans and newcomers alike with valuable insights into the artist's journey and the relationships that shape his path.

Transcript

[Theo Von]

I have some tour dates to tell you about. The Return of the Rat tour is finishing up and it's coming to Oxford, Mississippi on April 9. Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Chicago, Illinois, Miami, Florida, Winnipeg and Calgary in the Canada. You can get all your [e-mail] t o u R and thank you guys so much for your support. We've got new merch. We've got these. Onward hoodies. These are my favorite type of hoodie that we've ever use. The template, the material, the style of it, I think they'll be your favorite as well. We're going to try to focus on making sure that the, the. The template is perfect so that it just feels good and that you enjoy it and that you keep it and wear it for a long time. Yeah, those are really great. I want you to check them out. They're@the ovonstore.com and thank you for your support if you choose to purchase one. Today's guest made me feel welcome when I got here to Tennessee. He's arguably the most popular musician on the planet. He's the East Tennessee Elvis, baby. He's, you know. You know what he is. I mean, he's so prolific. He's very competitive, and I admire his attention to detail. Today's guest is one of a kind. Mr. Morgan Wall.

[Morgan Wallen]

And I will find a song.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, dude, good to see you, bro.

[Morgan Wallen]

Good to see you too, man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's awesome, man. What's been going on? Yeah, my mom was visiting for my birthday. We went to the Opry.

[Morgan Wallen]

You did?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Cool, man.

[Theo Von]

It was cool, dude. Trace Atkins.

[Morgan Wallen]

Does she come up here a lot or.

[Theo Von]

No, no, she hadn't been here since I moved here.

[Morgan Wallen]

It was your birthday?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Oh, happy birthday.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, thanks.

[Morgan Wallen]

When is your birthday?

[Theo Von]

Two days ago. March 19th.

[Morgan Wallen]

Okay, cool. So, yeah, my parents are in town as well, but I'm trying to. I'm trying to get them to move here, so.

[Theo Von]

Oh, you are?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I'm working on that. That's. That's been going on for the last few weeks now, so we'll see.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah, dude, your dad's so funny, dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, he's the man.

[Theo Von]

He's unreal, dude. Because we went on. What was. We went with. Is it Morgan Wallen? The foundation? Morgan Wall Foundation.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Greenville area.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. During the flood stuff.

[Morgan Wallen]

During Hurricane Helene. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And your dad came and it was awesome, man. They had the food truck. They had. You know, they were doing food drives and I met some people up there. We visited the houses and stuff. That was awesome.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. Yeah, that was. That was a cool day, man.

[Theo Von]

It was.

[Morgan Wallen]

I wish. I wish we did stuff like that more often, you know? I guess we could, but.

[Theo Von]

Well, I think that's why. I mean, you have a foundation that can do it when you're not able to do it for sure. But, yeah, I agree with you. It feels like.

[Morgan Wallen]

It feels good to actually get out and do it yourself. You know what I mean? Yeah, it can be. It can be a little stressful, you know, you gotta. You gotta keep it timed up, right, to where you're not sticking around in one place too long and all that stuff. You know, you gotta be a little tack tactful about it, but it's. It's. It's good.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And Tony Vitello is that. Yeah, he came out. He's the best.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, he's cool too, man.

[Theo Von]

Dude, he's cool.

[Morgan Wallen]

He always helps with stuff involving our foundation, and we stay in touch on a regular basis.

[Theo Von]

Y'all do?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, he. I tried to invite him to a. A bracket the other day. I was like, you're probably not allowed to do this, are you? He said, no. Okay.

[Theo Von]

All right, that's that. I'm in that bracket, baby.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. Yeah. I tried to invite him into that bracket.

[Theo Von]

You and me are tied right now. I think we're in first.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, we are.

[Theo Von]

I saw that we are.

[Morgan Wallen]

I checked this morning.

[Theo Von]

Dude. Yeah. One thing that was crazy about your dad, though, he was fasting whenever we're doing that, right? He'd been on a 40 day fast.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. He's done that for, like, as long as I can remember. I remember him, like, when I was growing up, he would just go and, like, stay out in the. In the wild, you know, in a tent or something and just drink apple juice or something. I'm like, dude, how. How is this possible? You know?

[Theo Von]

That doesn't sound like. That sounds like hiding from your wife.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, yeah. He needed some space. Didn't have enough money to get. Get a trailer or something, but that was.

[Theo Von]

I just didn't. Because it was crazy because I'd just been looking into fasting because people say it like, if you fast, it'll help, like, eat away the cancer cells that are in your body. So when he was like, I've been on 40 days.

[Morgan Wallen]

Well, they say that that only takes like a couple of days to do that. What you're talking about, right?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Like, if you fast for a couple of days, it'll do that. Yeah, I think.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. No, that's right. You get past 48 hours.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. I think what he was doing it for was spiritual purposes.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

That's what he used to do for, and that's probably what he's doing it for now.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. A team of researchers from MSK has shown for the first time that fasting can reprogram the metabolism of natural killer cells, helping them to survive in the in and around tumors while improving their cancer fighting ability. But it just blew my mind. I was like, God, this dude's on 40 days. Put this dude back in the Bible.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. I mean, dude, I don't, I don't understand how that's, that's physically possible. You know, I've, I pretty much have been for the last little while fast until, you know, noon. I'll do, I'll do my workout and like everything in the first part of the day without eating.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

But I can't imagine going a whole day without doing it, to be honest.

[Theo Von]

He's got some bandwidth on him, man.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, he's a pretty strong willed guy.

[Theo Von]

He's always so chipper, dude. Yeah. I just, I'd love to get in. Hanging out with him, that was probably. And he tells stories from being in the military and stuff. Some of that stuff is bonkers.

[Morgan Wallen]

Oh, yeah. Some of that stuff ain't gonna be repeated on here. He makes me look calm, dude.

[Theo Von]

That's the crazy part. You start talking in, you're like, oh, well, some of this checks out.

[Morgan Wallen]

For sure, it checks out.

[Theo Von]

We don't need a DNA test in this family. But you said they're moving down here.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I'm trying to get them to. We'll see how it goes. But I'm working on. I've been talking to him about it for a while, but, you know, just somebody uprooting their entire life to come somewhere. But me and my sister live down here. It's a, it's a tricky, you know, it's always tricky getting stuff like that to happen. But we're working on it. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. That's a lot, man. Is it? I know you have a son, Indio India.

[Morgan Wallen]

His name's Indigo, but I call him Indy.

[Theo Von]

Indeed.

[Morgan Wallen]

Right.

[Theo Von]

What's that been like, dude? Because that's been probably one of the biggest things in your life, I'm sure. I mean, outside of your. I mean, like. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. I think.

[Theo Von]

I don't even know how to ask that question.

[Morgan Wallen]

I think it just gets better and better as, you know, the older he gets. I mean, it's always been cool, but you know, when he's he's four years old now. He'll be five this year. Just a personality that keeps coming out and the relationship that you build, you know, and he's. He's got a little. He's got a little sass on him. Like, he's got a. He's got a little attitude, you know, which is. I like, I like that spunk, you know? Like that yesterday my dad was telling him he was trying to get him to eat. It's a. It's kind of a task to get him to eat, to sit still long enough to eat, you know, and my dad was like, hey, man, if you don't eat, I'm gonna put you. Put you in the bedroom. You gotta go to sleep or whatever, you know. I don't know exactly what my dad said to him, but he looked at my dad and he said, I don't want you to stay here anymore all day. But I just. I mean, like, it's just hilarious, you know?

[Theo Von]

And you're behind your dad. You're telling him, like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just anything to keep him. Keep him rocking. But he's a. He's a sweetheart. But whenever you get him. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He. He's almost too sweet. He's too nice to everyone, like, people he doesn't know, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Like, hey, man, we don't like everybody, man. We don't know these people, man.

[Theo Von]

Stranger danger, baby.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, so I'm trying to teach him.

[Theo Von]

A little bit of that, but he's got. He's wild. Definitely. He emailed me the other day asking me to send him some zins. I was like, dude, you gotta.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, Yeah. I couldn't believe he figured out, you know, how to get a hold of the iPad like that. I'm not. I'm not really big on letting him, you know, sit around with an iPad, but I guess he got my. My nieces or something. She probably had him send. She or he probably had hers in the email, you know. Hey, Haven, type this out for me. Threes or sixes?

[Theo Von]

Does he. Yeah, yeah. Does he have threes or six?

[Morgan Wallen]

I just downgraded to the threes, man. I'm. I'm. I'm weaning myself off.

[Theo Von]

Are you?

[Morgan Wallen]

I don't know. I just be putting two in.

[Theo Von]

That's just a little bit of mouth math, homie. Ye that up. But you'll see a dude with like 11 threes, and I'm like, just get a damn 20 or something.

[Morgan Wallen]

That's like, Andrew, oh, yeah, your Cousin. Yes. Yes. He'll have a. A multitude in there. He's only on the citrus, though.

[Theo Von]

He's hilarious, dude. Well, I'll ask you about him in a little bit, man. All right. What, does your son have, like, a favorite song of yours or anything?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, it's a song that's not out yet, like, this. This album. Right. That I've been working on. This is the first time where he's. It seems like he's really starting to put two and two together, you know? Yeah. I would come home after I'd been writing, and I'd show him songs this time. This is the first time that he's ever cared, you know? And I was. There's a song called Eyes Are Closed on my. On my record. And I. I brought it home that night. You know, we wrote it that day and took it home that night. And I was just playing. I wasn't really playing it for him. I just had it kind of playing in the background because it was my first time hearing the demo of what we had just done that day. And he was in the background, and he kind of, you know, moseyed on over there and started being like, what's this? You know? And then after it was done, he said, I like that song, Daddy.

[Theo Von]

Really?

[Morgan Wallen]

And it was like, the first time he had ever done that, you know? So it was a special moment for me, something I'll never forget. And he said, play that again, you know? And I was like, this song's a hit for me no matter what, you know? So that was the first time I had really seen him, like, all those, you know, dots start connecting.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I bet that's special.

[Morgan Wallen]

For a while, he. He thought that sold by John Michael Montgomery. He thought that was me singing. He thought he was like, play Daddy's Fast song. He called it the Fast Song. He thought that was me. I said, damn, man. I mean, that dude sounds pretty good, but come on.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And then he's just bidding on pigs at his daycare. Probably allowing that in the Grand County.

[Morgan Wallen]

He called it the Fast Song. And I had to. Finally broke it to him. I said, that ain't me, dude.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah. And the email he sent me, he's like, yeah, you need to listen to my father's hit Cotton Eyed Joe as well. Oh, yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Well, we are from Knoxville, you know, he's seen that sign a few times.

[Theo Von]

That checks out, man. As you make more music. So the new album. I'm the problem. As you make more music because you have been so, like, prolific. I Think that's the word. What does prolific mean?

[Morgan Wallen]

I think that's the right word, too.

[Theo Von]

Okay. But I don't know if either one of us should be.

[Morgan Wallen]

If there were the dictionary guys.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, definitely. It's like producing much fruit. Producing much fruit, Foliage or offspring. Actually, it says I've been that prolific in that term, but yeah, presenting one plentiful. It says producing many works. But is it. Does it get tougher to, like, okay, how do I have. Do I not have a song that sounds. That's similar to a song I previous had? Because when you have so many songs, does that get a little bit tough or what's that like?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I think it does, you know.

[Theo Von]

Like, has there been a great song that come that's like you guys have put together and then you're like, oh, man, it's just a little too close to this or.

[Morgan Wallen]

Well, for this album, I feel like I just didn't let it get to that point, you know, if. At least if I was a part of writing it, you know, I think I can't remember exactly how many ones I was and wasn't a part of writing, but if a song came in from a, like, as a pitch, I kind of knew immediately. I was like, oh, these people are writing. This might have made my last record. Maybe. Probably not. But, you know, it's like. It's like. That's what it felt like to me.

[Theo Von]

Right.

[Morgan Wallen]

A lot of the pitches were that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, because I guess people just go. And they don't know where your next step is and who you are.

[Morgan Wallen]

There was. There was a select group of writers that I kind of, you know, told a little bit what I was trying to accomplish, you know, and I feel like that. That really helped me find a certain one of the sounds of that's on my record. But for me, when I'm writing, I kind of, you know, you. You can kind of tell from the idea almost if. If the song is going to be similar or not, you know, and that was something that was tougher for me because a lot of, you know, a lot of the things that were successful and that were easy in the past were just like whiskey drinking, you know, like, all that stuff. And I've kind of just almost explored every angle of that that's possible. You know, like, there's still. There's still some possible ways to get. Get that in there. But I tried to. I tried to dig deeper, man. And, you know, and I. And I. A lot of my guys that I write with, we kind of kept a At least for me when I was writing, we kept five or six guys. We didn't always write together, but you know, that, that kind of core group of guys, we. We all just had a good, good sense of what we were shooting for and just trying not to say the same thing that I've said before and, you know, incorporate new things. So I feel like it was harder, you know, I had to work harder.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, like, what do you mean? Like, find a new angle. Like drop.

[Morgan Wallen]

Finding new angles and just thinking up ideas, you know, and there's, you know, or just maybe somebody had an idea and they brought it in. And I'm like, well, that's pretty good. But like trying to find a way to. To make it something different, you know, like it would sounds like that would idea would have been on the last record, but maybe I can flip this or flip that into making it something that' more unique, you know, so just trying to dig deeper and not just. Not just saying, oh yeah. Not just being content with something, you know. Yeah. Just digging deeper and.

[Theo Von]

Because you can kind of. Yeah. It's funny, I was talking to Charlie Hansen the other night. Dude, that guy's Bro. Him and Marissa. Is that his Marissa?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, Marissa. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Bro, they're hilarious.

[Morgan Wallen]

Bro, they are hilarious.

[Theo Von]

She's so funny, dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

She kind of keeps him in check.

[Theo Von]

I feel like it's the pairing, both of them, because he's kind of so. Kind of rough around the edges. Like, I don't. Maybe that's a crazy. It's not a crazy thing to say about him.

[Morgan Wallen]

No, definitely not. I think he'd probably agree with that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, he's. He's just so. He's so real. He's just.

[Morgan Wallen]

He's pretty blunt guy.

[Theo Von]

Yes.

[Morgan Wallen]

Pretty blunt.

[Theo Von]

Yes, he is.

[Morgan Wallen]

Which I've always loved that about him. You know, when he first got to. To town, I guess that was probably. We wrote if I Know Me. I mean that had to be either 17 or 18 when I first met him.

[Theo Von]

Wow.

[Morgan Wallen]

And 2017 or 18. Not when I was 17 or 18 years old. But, you know, he kind of. I think he came from L. A so he had like this. I don't know, I guess it's different out there, you know, if it seems like it's like a dick measuring contest out there a lot.

[Theo Von]

Well, people are probably. Yeah, yeah, that could be true.

[Morgan Wallen]

And I think he had brought a lot of that mindset to Nashville, you know, and whenever we were first. Right. And I'm like, hey man, you know, like you. You ain't Got to be. You ain't got to be like, you know, like, it ain't like that here.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

You know, we just. And I would give him a hard time when he would be acting like that. I'd always, you know, talk shit and stuff. So we just became instant friends, like that kind of.

[Theo Von]

I can see that 100%, dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

What did I say? Oh, he got married, right? And his wife, one night, I think that she probably had a cocktail or two and invited me to their wedding, right?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And I had to work that weekend, but I saw pictures. You went, I think, hardy when it looked like a good time.

[Morgan Wallen]

I mean, it was a beautiful wedding, man. I mean, it really, really beautiful.

[Theo Von]

It was on an island somewhere in Islamorada.

[Morgan Wallen]

It was like, you know. You heard of that show Bloodline?

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

It was the house. It was that compound where that was filmed.

[Theo Von]

Oh, damn.

[Morgan Wallen]

So it was legit.

[Theo Von]

God. Yeah, but. And then. So I. When I saw him, I said, hey, man, I'm sorry I couldn't make it to the wedding. He's like, well, you know, we weren't really expecting you there.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I don't know if they. I was in the damn wedding. I don't know if they was expecting me there. I showed up about an hour before it was supposed to start and left before it was over. But I. I was proud to be there, man. It was. It was cool. I really appreciated it.

[Theo Von]

It was. But he's just like, look, man, we don't. We don't super know each other that good. He said, right. But it was. It was so, like, just the realest shit ever. He's like, and if we become better friends and, you know, and that happens, then, yeah, man, I'd expect you to be at my. You know, if I get divorced or if I. If I do a renew of the battles, I said, but I expect you.

[Morgan Wallen]

To be my divorce now.

[Theo Von]

It was just like. And I was like, dude, you're so right. I was like. And it didn't make me want to get to know him more because it was like, just cutting through the bullshit.

[Morgan Wallen]

I love that he's. That's a definite. That's an accurate way of describing him.

[Theo Von]

Which I think is probably what makes him a good songwriter, too, because it's like, you gotta, like, if you. Too much bull. It's like, if you can cut through the.

[Morgan Wallen]

Well, yeah, he's. He's. He'll definitely tell you, like. Or if you're. If you're on something. He's like, man, that sucks. You know, and that's what I mean. I feel like I have a pretty good gauge of, you know, what's good and what's not. But, like, it's. It's nice to have another person in the room who will tell you straight up.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Because especially when you, when you do get to, like, get to this level, people sometimes don't check you the way they should. You know, they'll just let you rock with it and, you know, whatever.

[Theo Von]

Damn, dude. No, it's just interesting to hear you say that. I had a guy a few years ago. I was. I had taken out a guy. We went to lunch and he's married and we're both straight, but we went and had lunch together and.

[Morgan Wallen]

Thanks for clarifying, man.

[Theo Von]

But yeah, he was just. He's been like a manager of, like, some of the most popular comedians over time. And I was talking to him, he goes, well, you kind of have to evolve with your audience. He's like, if you, you know, going back to kind of what you said about, like, you know, some people probably present songs to you that would have been great an album or two ago. It's like, Dan, that would have been. But it's like, you.

[Morgan Wallen]

I mean, you can't blame, you know, you can't. You know, I mean, you can't expect them to know what's in your head and what you're going to do next.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And they only have, like, the footprints that they've seen you leave so far make that they can even judge on.

[Morgan Wallen]

Right. Like, I've heard wasted on you. I've heard that 2.0, 18,000 times, you know, in my inbox. A lot of them don't even make it to me because it gets snipped before it even gets to me. But I've, I've heard plenty of them, you know.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Morgan Wallen]

I understand it. But, you know, you can't, you can't settle like that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

But you also don't want to go too far either, because then your fans are like, dude, you know, what's Chris, what's his name? He just taking a lot of mushrooms or something, you know, like, you can get that guy too.

[Theo Von]

This managed one time, he said, he goes, one thing you have to. You have to evolve with your audience. If you try to hide that you're evolving or that you're growing because your audience also grows, right?

[Morgan Wallen]

Oh, yeah.

[Theo Von]

So he's like, if you try, it's, it's. It can be a trap sometimes to try to just fit your Fit your current feet back in your old footprints. And I just thought it was interesting to hear somebody say that I never really thought about, because sometimes you're like, oh, this worked and I gotta stay right here, but you're not there anymore, you know?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. And I mean, even if it's just subtle changes, it don't have to be, like, huge things, you know?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. You don't have to come out and do, like, a Mozart style.

[Morgan Wallen]

Right, Right. You know, like, my last album, I had plenty of trap beats and stuff like that. This time I was like, hey, man, let's just. Let's tone that back a little bit. I'm tired. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of hearing it. So if I'm tired of it, they probably tired of hearing. Yeah. You know, so just, like, certain things that you can still get that same swag or that same. You can accomplish certain things without doing the same exact thing.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

So it's just simple stuff like that. In some cases.

[Theo Von]

Do you feel like you've always had a pretty good, like, instinct about that kind of stuff? Like, is that something you think you really have? Like, you kind of can feel?

[Morgan Wallen]

I like to think so, man. I. I feel like I can tell when something's getting tired, you know? And. Yeah, I. I don't.

[Theo Von]

That's a gift, man.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I guess so. Maybe God gave me that. I don't know. But I've also. I've also learned from people in my. In my, you know, that I've been around for the last 10 years who have. Who I feel like I've learned from, and that have helped me with that as well. You know, I don't think I was just fully just. I think I had a knack for it already, but I think I've, you know, developed it and learned from people as well. So.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I've always had a tough time, like, because I've always been like a do it yourself kind of guy. Like, I feel like I know what I'm doing. Like, I work hard, but then recently I've had to, like, realize I need help more. It's like, I can't always give this guy a hard time. I need it. I need to see, you know what I'm saying? Like, I can't always butt up against every wall, you know, because I'll just do that. It's just my nature, because I don't want help a lot of times.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Theo Von]

That has been.

[Morgan Wallen]

That's a big. That's a big deal.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's been getting better, though, recently.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Even just, like, just little things, I just started noticing it's getting a little bit better, and it's. And the irony is everything's been easier.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

The more I let help come in.

[Morgan Wallen]

I think there's certain areas in my life, like, with music, I've always kind of. I've been a good teammate. I don't know why that is. You know, maybe I've just always liked to. I like the. The aspect of feeling like you're on a team, I guess, because I played sports and stuff so much growing up, you know? Like, for me, I enjoy the camaraderie of making music with my buddies and doing all that stuff, you know, so I've always kind of enjoyed the. The. The help and the team aspect of that. But there's other areas in my life where I. I'm like you. Where I'm like, I don't. You know, whatever. No, no, I'm good.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I'm good.

[Morgan Wallen]

So it's not. It doesn't necessarily permeate throughout my entire life. It's just that one thing where I. I've been able to. To do that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Oh, dude. I'll be sitting in a damn bottom of a hole. There'll be a thousand people out there with rope, and I'll be like, I'm good.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I'll find one.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I'll find it.

[Morgan Wallen]

I'll figure there's one down. There's one down here somewhere.

[Theo Von]

And they'll be up there, and they're like, this dude's an idiot.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you damn right I am. But I'm.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I'm proud of it, too.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah, I'm proud of it. That's the best part. Is it tough in your life? I mean, dude, your music, it's like. It's just been such a wave that, like. I mean, you couldn't travel around town without seeing every guy at a stoplight look like. You know, look like a Morgan wall and look like a. Like a hear your music everywhere, every store. Like, are there moments for you where it's like, God, this guy's got a ton. Like, it's like, where it almost. Where you become too much for you. Like, is that ever, like. You don't. Does that make any sense?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, no, it does. It's. It's still. It's still weird. And there's parts of that that I don't like. I mean, I think anybody who has to deal with that, it's not ideal, you know, it's not ideal to go everywhere and even if you don't get. Get, like, you know, bothered you. You. You were on edge the whole time because you thought you might. It's like there's just not a lot of not. There's. There's things that you just don't do.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

You just don't do them anymore.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

You know, but that's okay. That's why. That's why I've taken up hunting so much, I think, you know, because I can go be with my buddies. I'm in the middle of nowhere. I can be at ease. I can not stress out. You just find ways to supplement it, I think, you know.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of funny. You can't. You can't really go to a bar anymore because there'd be too much hassle. And it's probably best thing for you.

[Morgan Wallen]

It's definitely the best thing for me. You know, I mean, if you. If you're using a bar as a specific example, that's definitely. That's definitely the best thing for me. I ain't been in a bar since. Since. Since the last time I was in a bar that everybody knows about.

[Theo Von]

How is that. That feels like a bar right there.

[Morgan Wallen]

It does. It sounds like an old country song for sure. But, yeah, that's. That's. That's the most public time I was in a bar. That's the last time I was in a bar.

[Theo Von]

Dude, have you seen those? There's an AI Bar thing that makes country songs. There's one about a bar. You gotta see if you can pull it up. Trevin.

[Morgan Wallen]

Is it good?

[Theo Von]

Dude, it's pretty funny. Let me see this shit. Kind of surprised me. One of them's about. Oh, it's the right one. Kitchen in the second one right there with the guy and the lady in the truck. Yeah, turn that up for a second. It's just ridiculous.

[Morgan Wallen]

Look, change it to whiskey and have Morgan Wallen sing it. That's one of the number one comments.

[Theo Von]

Hey, start it back over and just turn it up a little bit. We can't hear it, but this is just like. AI made this.

[Morgan Wallen]

Woke up in the morning Cracked myself a beer Then went down to the kitchen to grab myself a beer. Made myself some breakfast. Another beer, of course. That's when my baby said to me I want to get up.

[Theo Von]

That's good, man. But it's just crazy that AI wrote that. Like, it's just. Somebody just put it in and.

[Morgan Wallen]

Dude, AI is nuts, man.

[Theo Von]

It's just making be or something.

[Morgan Wallen]

I was talking to my mom about AI this morning. But that, that is, I mean, you know, could be a hit.

[Theo Von]

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[Morgan Wallen]

It's a good question. I've been trying to find new stuff to listen to. I don't find a whole lot of new stuff to listen to. I've been listening to, like, old. I don't mostly only listen to music if I'm driving or if I'm working out. That's about the only time I listen to music which I do those things decent amount, you know, kind of same, man.

[Theo Von]

That's kind of when I do it.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Stephen Wilson I've been listening to.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, he's. He's good. He's really good.

[Theo Von]

Great lyricist. Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, he's. He's a special talent.

[Theo Von]

That song about his. My father's son Hardy, played that one with him. God, that's good.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, that guy is really, really good.

[Theo Von]

Zach Topp's voice is really amazing.

[Morgan Wallen]

I don't. I don't listen to country music a whole lot. I think I've always kind of been that way. I know Zach. I know who Zach Top is. And I do agree. He's. He's very. He's very solid.

[Theo Von]

Jesse Murph, Big X, the Plug. You've heard that song? That. No, they have a collab. That's pretty dope.

[Morgan Wallen]

That's cool.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's good.

[Morgan Wallen]

Me and. Me and Big X, we almost did a song, but I don't know, I didn't. I actually sent him a song and he didn't finish it, so I don't know that's on him, I guess. I don't know what he was doing.

[Theo Von]

He was in jail.

[Morgan Wallen]

Did he.

[Theo Von]

I think so.

[Morgan Wallen]

What? Not. Not a long time. Not long enough. Not. I went to jail, too.

[Theo Von]

Hey, if you behind bars, write a couple.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, no, it was kind of spur in the moment thing, though. I had. I got a song on my record called Miami, and I haven't heard that one yet.

[Theo Von]

They sent me a couple of the songs.

[Morgan Wallen]

Did they?

[Theo Von]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Morgan Wallen]

Miami. It's like a. It's a. It's a Keith Whitley flip. So it's like an old, you know, Miami. Miami. That song. Have you ever heard that? Miami, Miami. What took you so long? I thought you never call.

[Theo Von]

Oh, no, I never seen it. People talk about.

[Morgan Wallen]

That's one of his, like, bigger type songs, I guess. But we flipped it and turned it into more of like a. It's a little more like rap style. But it's cool, man. I like it. Yeah, it's cool. It seemed like it could use a rapper on there. I didn't end up using a feature. We ended up just making a second verse. But it's. It's one of those songs where I could. It wouldn't be surprising if we got, like, a remix and did that. You know what I mean? Once it's out and all that stuff.

[Theo Von]

What, you. You're famous. Like, you guys had this whole tent, like these different walkouts that you did over the years, right? Really fun. And thanks for letting me be part of the one in Nashville.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. What would. Do you have a favorite one that kind of stood out to you and no judgment to any of them. What was it?

[Morgan Wallen]

I mean, Neyland Stadium is, you know, that's my home. That's where I grew up.

[Theo Von]

Watching those pads on Peyton.

[Morgan Wallen]

That one was really good. The baseball team, when we did, was really good, too. But that Peyton one, that was. That was one of the. You know, it's hard to beat anything that happened those two nights at that stadium. I found myself just being like, yeah, that's. That's pretty. Those. Those are like the, you know, some of the best memories I've had.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sick. He's. So.

[Morgan Wallen]

He came out looking like he was actually about to go play with his facial expressions and stuff.

[Theo Von]

Hey, I think half the. The boosters wanted to sign some. Some boosters. I think we're trying to already.

[Morgan Wallen]

Hey, man, you got another year eligibility?

[Theo Von]

We'll find something out. Yeah, man. That was special, dude. So cool.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. But the walkouts are. They're just the energy that comes from those. It just could last you. I mean, maybe not the entire show, but it'll last you a while, you know? And then once you get out there and compound the energy that comes along with the actual show, it's just. It's a. It's a rush.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, yeah. There's that coach right there that we put that water on.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. Hypo.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, at least. Thug. He's big. Thugging right there.

[Morgan Wallen]

He was, dude.

[Theo Von]

What else has happened? So you have your. The. The first time you're gonna play your new album will be at Santa My Boots Fest.

[Morgan Wallen]

I'll play some of my album there. Okay. You know, the album comes out on the 16th. I play on the 18th. I'll probably. I'll play some of the new stuff. That's a. That's another thing, man. It's hard to. It's hard picking set list at this point too. Oh, you know, that gets real tricky.

[Theo Von]

Do you do that yourself? You kind of organize it?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, me and. Me and my band do it together. You know, it's a lot of. It's a lot of. It's data driven, you know, because you can see, you know, which songs people. The majority of people want to hear. Like. Oh, yeah, you're always going to miss somebody's favorite song. You're probably going to miss my favorite song, you know, in some. In some sets. Just trying to figure out a way this year since I, you know, I'm only playing 20 shows, so probably if I can try to figure out a way to not play the same set list all the time, you know, because last year I'd have interchanged a couple. But I think it's going to be. I'm gonna make a bigger effort to try to make the set list different for at least each night. You know, maybe not every single show be a different set list, but like Night one, Night two.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Because we're playing two nights in each place, so night. You know, trying to separate the two nights as far as music goes. Should be. Should be interesting because we've never done that before. We would always just do like maybe change one or two songs, you know, I'm thinking maybe a little more than that. So.

[Theo Von]

I like that. Yeah. That way if he wanted to come for both nights, too, they couldn't hear different stuff.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. And a lot of people already do come both nights, so that'd be nice for them, too.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

There's really no way to do it perfectly. Somebody's going to be disappointed or you know, at. At any point, oh, they didn't play this song or he didn't play that song. But trying our best. I'm not going to play for four hours either, so, you know. Yeah, you gotta keep it within reason.

[Theo Von]

We gotta meet in the middle, guys.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, yeah. Like, I don't want to sing for four hours, you know, two hours. About maybe a little longer. Two hours.

[Theo Von]

You put it on, man. Like, my show, like, I'll be out there for maybe an hour and 15 minutes is probably the sweet spot for me to be on stage, I think, with a comedian where they're. Just because we don't have any backup instruments. So people are like, fuck, somebody tap in a violin or something with this bastard. You know, people get a little bit tired of it, but I can't. And that burns me out, man. I used to do two shows. Now I only do one a night, but I can't imagine I used to.

[Morgan Wallen]

Do two shows in one night. Yeah, back to back.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. When you first started as a. I.

[Morgan Wallen]

Think I remember you telling me that.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I think like, even whenever I first came to town, you guys came one night and. And saw me at Zany's, man. Yeah, that was cool. And you came into my podcast early, man, and that helped me. It helped give me some just support in the community.

[Morgan Wallen]

I didn't even realize it was early because to me, I'd been listening to you for like a little while, you know, So I already knew you and knew you, knew about you and knew your story and everything, so. So it wasn't like, hey, come do this weird new guys podcast. I already knew who you were, so.

[Theo Von]

Well, it's just support, you know, it was nice to have some support right when I got into town.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, yeah, no, I'm glad. I'm glad we got to do it, man. Damn, that was in 2020.

[Theo Von]

Was it really? God dang, bro. Look how happy you were.

[Morgan Wallen]

I think I got.

[Theo Von]

We both look happy as the pictures we picked. I look like I'm in pain. You look like you just came from the dentist.

[Morgan Wallen]

I look so white.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I think we had some. We had bad lighting.

[Morgan Wallen]

Then, golly, we bought some better light. Look at Pasty Bo.

[Theo Von]

What. What's up with the free time now? So you go hunting? Where do you guys like to go?

[Morgan Wallen]

Well, all over the place, man. I. I got a farm outside of town that we. That we've been, you know, planting and getting out there, getting all the agriculture. Right. I don't think you've been to my farm. Have You.

[Theo Von]

Oh, no, I'm able to spend. Your house? Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

You just been to my house, I believe. But yeah. So we got. We got deer and turkeys down there.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

So that's. That's pretty much what it's geared towards. It's a really good. We. We bought it. It was already a really good turkey farm. And then we've just been adding a lot of the agriculture and all that stuff to try to make it a better deer farm.

[Theo Von]

What makes a good setup like that? Like, what's the best way to make it set up? Where it's challenging to the hunter, but.

[Morgan Wallen]

Also like, I mean, it's always going to be challenging when deer hunting just, you know, because you only get to kill two. Two bucks in a. In a season in a state, you know, so you're not. You're not just going to go out there and shoot everything you see. Oh, you know what I mean? Like, you. You may let a really good deer walk because you're trying to get a better. You know, that there's a better deer in the area or you believe there's a better deer in there. You know, like, we have cameras and stuff now so we can kind of take inventory on stuff. But you're not. You don't. I think people. I don't know what people think about hunting, but, like, you don't just go out there and just massacre animals.

[Theo Von]

You know, you're not out there with a handgun or not.

[Morgan Wallen]

No, but I mean, it's. It's interesting. I mean, the main thing is food. You know, food and bedding. That's. That's really all. That's what. Those are the two main things that you need to have a good hunting farm.

[Theo Von]

Okay.

[Morgan Wallen]

As long as you got their. The. The type of bedding that they want and preferably the type of food that they want, then you're going to keep those deer on your farm because they ain't gonna. They don't need to leave to go find either one of those.

[Theo Von]

Right. They're happy.

[Morgan Wallen]

So they'll stay in their home range and they'll stay there and you can grow them. You know, like, we don't want to. You at least try to get them to be five years old, and that's. That's minimum that what we want to do. You know, depending on where you're at in the country, people will let them get older. It's. It's a little different, I think, depending on your land, depending. Because, you know, like, if you. If you spend all this time and Money. And then you got your neighbor who, if your deer walks across to their property line, they might shoot it before you. You were planning on shooting it. So, you know, it's. It's a little bit of a. It can be a little bit of a game.

[Theo Von]

So there can be property. Be property line beef like that.

[Morgan Wallen]

Oh, yeah, there's all kinds of that going on. Yeah, there's a lot of hunting. Property line beef.

[Theo Von]

And what about reindeer? Do you ever see reindeer out there?

[Morgan Wallen]

I personally came across one. My son did just get a reindeer call, and one of my. One of my buddies from. From Alabama made him a reindeer call.

[Theo Von]

No. Wait, for Christmas?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Oh, it's hilarious. It's cool, bro. You have to use that with him. That's pretty cool. Imagine that, dude. You're a kid and you think it was a nice reindeer call. You're bringing in Santa, dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, he thinks that's what he's doing. I mean, that's. That would be. I don't even think he's actually tried it. Like, he. I guess that was probably last. Last Christmas. So he's just. He's came. He's just got a lot of new interest and stuff this year. So I think I was. I came home this. This past weekend and I was working on my turkey call just in my mouth, you know, and he. He was trying to, like, mimic me and stuff. It was.

[Theo Von]

It was hilarious, dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

He's just screaming, basically.

[Theo Von]

Is it fun to watch him kind of grow? Like, what has it been interesting? Is there moments where you see him learn something and you almost see him learn it? Like, does that kind of happen?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, it's cool. Like, I've been working on him on how to catch and stuff. You know, I've just been using, like, a. A soft basketball that. I've got one of those, you know, just basketball goals. You hang up on the door and.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, so much fun when you're a kid.

[Morgan Wallen]

I use it more than him still.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. You're just making him rebound.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. Every time I'm on the phone, I'll just put headphones in and just start shooting for like 30 minutes since it's been cold especially. Yeah. But yeah, just, you know, when I first. When we first started, he couldn't do it. And then, you know, a couple weeks later, he's like, catching and, you know, you. He can catch a bounce pass now. You know, it's just like. Just seeing those things progress in such a short period of time is cool.

[Theo Von]

Does it make you have a different appreciation for your own dad or is it adjusted Yalls relationship? Any you think? Is that a weird question to ask?

[Morgan Wallen]

No, it's not a weird question. I. I think, yeah, I think it probably does. You know, I mean, me and my dad, we butted heads a lot growing up, especially once I got to high school just because I was. I was.

[Theo Von]

You were you.

[Morgan Wallen]

I was kind of ridiculous, and I think he was kind of ridiculous when he was that. When he was that age too. So he was just trying to. Hey, don't be like me when I was that age, you know? Like, I know what this turns. I know how this ends usually. So we just butted heads. I didn't. You know. You don't believe anything your parents say when you're there.

[Theo Von]

No. It's the last person you want to believe. It's so crazy.

[Morgan Wallen]

It's not even possible. It wasn't possible in my head to believe that. That's crazy to think now I'm like, damn, they were right. But in my head, it was not physically possible to think that they could be right.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

It just wasn't.

[Theo Von]

It's kind of crazy because, like, oh, these two people that love me and care, raised me this far.

[Morgan Wallen]

They're trying to ruin my life. Yeah. That's what you think.

[Theo Von]

It's totally.

[Morgan Wallen]

It's. It's insane, really. But that's what I thought. But yeah, I mean, after, you know, I moved out and once I really. Once I think I got moved down here to Nashville. That's when we. We became even closer.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Closer than ever because I moved here pretty young, you know, I was 22 when I moved here.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And almost been here 10 years coming up.

[Morgan Wallen]

So it's, I think, just having that space and then just being able to. You get older too, you know.

[Theo Von]

Oh, that's the biggest thing. You're like, oh, none of that other even matter what I'm doing.

[Morgan Wallen]

Like, yeah, you may. Maybe you could have went about it a little different or whatever, you know, but like, the intentions were right.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. I mean, I just got. Spending time with my mom is like. A lot of my life is like I'm waiting for my mom to like, like show me certain attention or affection or something. The other night, we're just sitting there, we're watching at the Opry, and she went there like 40 years ago or something, you know, and. And I'm like, it's kind of stupid, but I just reached over and grabbed my mom's hand, you know, because it's like, it's not about Me being a kid anymore, it's just about me being. She's an older woman now, so it's like, let me just be an adult and almost act like I'm the parent, you know, I'm not the parent now, but let me. I don't know, it's an old part of me, like a child. Part of me was like, oh, man, it's my brother. I wish my mom would, you know, pat me on the back, just do something, you know, show me a little bit of love or something. But then I just grabbed her hand, and then we just watched it together. And it was like, me kind of. I don't know, it was a little moment for me where I was like, I'm not going to be that old grudge. I'm just going to move forward, you know.

[Morgan Wallen]

That's cool. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

But it was just interesting or I just. Or just to get my mom a hug while we're sitting there, you know, just like, you know, me and my mom.

[Morgan Wallen]

My mom always. We always had, like a super, super good relationship. She was always loving and stuff, you know, So I just. I felt all that for my mom, but me and my dad, you know, like I said, we butted heads. So it was more of just getting past that phase in my life, but for. I didn't once. It was. Once that phase was over. It was over.

[Theo Von]

Right?

[Morgan Wallen]

To me.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

You know, I wasn't. I don't. I don't have any sort of hard feelings towards it.

[Theo Von]

Oh, yeah, dude. Your dad is so funny, dude. Right? When I see him, my face just smiles.

[Morgan Wallen]

Chipper. You said he was chipper. That's the right word for him.

[Theo Von]

And he's been fasting for like 700 days. Days.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. I don't. At this point, I don't know. Oh, he ain't fasting. He ain't fasting right now. I've been seeing this man eat during. During this trip. He's been down here. He ain't fasting. Don't let him lie to you. Because I've been basically. I've been, you know, eating clean and stuff, trying to get ready for tour and all that. And they're, you know, bribing me with all these hamburgers and stuff. I'm like, man, go cook out somewhere else.

[Theo Von]

What. What about motorcycling? You. You got a motorcycle? I remember last time I saw you, you were talking about. Did you get one?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I got it.

[Theo Von]

Oh, you have a Harley hat on today.

[Morgan Wallen]

I do, yeah.

[Theo Von]

Gang. Gang. That's nice, dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

I got this awesome, like, vintage thing.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. It's tough.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, man. I. I enjoy it.

[Theo Von]

You do?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. Which I. I kind of had ridden dirt bikes and stuff a little bit, you know, Enough to understand my way around a bike already. Right. So me and Cody and TD and a few of. A few other of us, few others.

[Theo Von]

We all got bikes so that I'll buy the cologne. Whatever they're selling right there.

[Morgan Wallen]

It does look like that.

[Theo Von]

It really does, huh? Exhaust by Morgan Wall.

[Morgan Wallen]

Exhaust smells like a fart.

[Theo Von]

That wouldn't be a bad cologne, dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

Smells like Morgan Wallen's farts, man.

[Theo Von]

You had a blow to start that. One of those breath things.

[Morgan Wallen]

I'm surprised. I don't.

[Theo Von]

I'm surprised anybody ever had a motorbike that has that on it.

[Morgan Wallen]

I'm sure they have. I'm surprised I don't have that on every vehicle. I've got. Shout out to Davidson County.

[Theo Von]

Sorry, man. That's hilarious. No, That's a handsome picture, man. That looks nice.

[Morgan Wallen]

Thanks, man.

[Theo Von]

But you get out there, I like.

[Morgan Wallen]

It because it's like, you got your helmet on, nobody knows who you are. You get out there, you got to focus on it, too. You got to be. You ain't on your phone, you know, you ain't doing anything else. You just thinking about what you got to do on that bike.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

So I enjoy that aspect of it a lot. You like, at least me, I physically can't do anything else other than, you know, think about what's going on on this bike.

[Theo Von]

Be locked in.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. So I like that aspect of a lot. You know, you'll be riding, and all of a sudden, five hours have gone by, and you just don't realize, really, that that happened. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Damn. I gotta get out there sometime. I'm just so bad. I'm bad at being in motion.

[Morgan Wallen]

Well, that might not be for you, then.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I'm better. I'm better.

[Morgan Wallen]

What do you mean? Wait. What do you mean? Keep going.

[Theo Von]

I'm bad at just, like, being in motion and having to think at the same time. I'm more of a stop and think. Well, then move.

[Morgan Wallen]

What are you. What are we thinking about, though?

[Theo Von]

Just anything. Whatever the next thing has to be. It's just hard for me. Like, I get. I just.

[Morgan Wallen]

I think you can just be in the back of the line. The in.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

You just follow us.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. I would be a good. Yeah, I don't want to be at the front.

[Morgan Wallen]

Okay.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Or the middle. The middle is probably the safest anyway. You can be in the Middle, because you're protected. In the back, you're protecting the front. You don't have to make any decisions. You just follow the decisions.

[Theo Von]

That's where I need to be, then.

[Morgan Wallen]

I don't. Yeah, you should take. What's. Harry. You should go take Harry's motorcycle class. That's who we took, our class, really. He was good. Yeah. I mean, I learned things I didn't know. Yeah, you know, it was. It wasn't easy necessarily, either. You know, there was things that. That were challenging.

[Theo Von]

Do y'all go in a pack when you go out there?

[Morgan Wallen]

I've ridden a couple times by myself, but I would have somebody following me, you know, like my security or just anyone. But we mostly just ride. At least in groups of two. Yeah, a lot of times groups of four.

[Theo Von]

That's tough, man. Yeah. Maybe I'll have to get out there. I got to pray about that.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I don't want to. Don't let me. I'm not influencing you at all.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Okay. Thank you.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

I don't want to be out there just like. Listen, I'm the problem.

[Morgan Wallen]

You can just get in the side car.

[Theo Von]

Little German sidecar. Yeah. Dude, your cousin Andrew and I are friends, man. Yeah, he's a Cl. Dude. He is. Okay. Your family is funny, dude. You guys, we got a lot of.

[Morgan Wallen]

Characters in our family.

[Theo Von]

That's what you have. Dude. Even when I remember when you first told me I met you about your Uncle David or somebody coming to holidays and then just different people, you would tell me. And then getting to meet your dad and then. Yeah, Andrew and I become friends over the years. He's. He's hilarious, dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, he definitely is hilarious.

[Theo Von]

Went fishing with him. He. Dude, that dude will. He'll put a damn. He'll start fishing anywhere you pass by a Chase bank, and he'll feel cast over there.

[Morgan Wallen]

But what are you trying to catch, man?

[Theo Von]

Frog top on there. Just because there's a bank.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

He'Ll catch a damn. He'll catch a safe deposit box over there at the 12 pound, brother.

[Morgan Wallen]

Oh, God.

[Theo Von]

But he. Dude, he's just good. He took us out to some property, him and Ben Wern, I think is the guy's name.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, Ben. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

And. And we had a blast, man. But he's good.

[Morgan Wallen]

Where'd y'all go to, Hole in Wall?

[Theo Von]

No, we went to.

[Morgan Wallen]

Oh, you went to Ease. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we went to.

[Theo Von]

Ease and it was cool, though. I hadn't been there. God, that's beautiful.

[Morgan Wallen]

That place is immaculate. God, yeah, that was a big fish in there. It's a beautiful spot, man.

[Theo Von]

But does he hunt with you?

[Morgan Wallen]

Does he hunt?

[Theo Von]

Does Andrew hunt?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, some. He does. Yeah. I like. I like hunting with him. You know he works for filmstream so he travels a lot doing. Doing that job which I think is a really good job for him.

[Theo Von]

He loves it, man.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

He's talented, but he's hilarious, dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

We all keep telling him like he should have his own YouTube channel or something. Really should just a series of some sort. And this is the things that happen to that guy. I'm like, dude, I don't know how this has occurred to you, but you know, the world deserves to hear this.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that's.

[Morgan Wallen]

The world deserves to share in your pain that you're dealing with right now.

[Theo Von]

Ye.

[Morgan Wallen]

Because the things that happen to him are just unbelievable, man.

[Theo Von]

Bro, he's just such a good story. Yeah, he's. Bro, he has been. Getting to know him has been a gift, man.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, he. He is a true. He's a treasure, man. He's a national treasure.

[Theo Von]

He's a buried treasure.

[Morgan Wallen]

I mean I really. He is buried right now. We keep. I mean, nice. Maybe he'll take this and he'll watch this clip and. And go start his channel, you know, he's entertained.

[Theo Von]

Yeah man, he's just entertaining. He's easy to be around and yeah, that feeling of stream job with him is perfect and he could do both.

[Morgan Wallen]

He could have that job and dude, you know, that could almost find a.

[Theo Von]

Way to put them together.

[Morgan Wallen]

But you know what I'm saying, it could be part of the same thing.

[Theo Von]

You couldn't find a guy that's more perfect for that. Has there been something nice that you kind of got yourself as a gift that you started, you know, feeling like you were doing pretty well and.

[Morgan Wallen]

I.

[Theo Von]

Mean, a tribute took or anything.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I mean I. I'm. I used to be probably a little more frugal than I am right now.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, same. I don't like. I don't like going to get stuck. I don't like shopping for stuff too.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. I'm trying to think if there's anything that I was just really splurged out on. You know, I got a couple watches and just things like that, but. And then I got a couple nice cars. I mean, I don't. I don't feel like I'm over the top. Big spender guy.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

You know, and a lot of times.

[Theo Von]

What. What was your first car? Do you remember it?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, it Was a Jeep Cherokee.

[Theo Von]

Was it really? Dude? I got a freaking Jeep Cherokee dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

You do right now in law.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. In Los Angeles. Have a car there. It's got like only 12,000 miles on it.

[Morgan Wallen]

Oh, this thing had a lot more than 12,000 miles on it. Really? Yeah. It was a white Jeep Grand Cherokee. I think it was a 95 if I'm. If I'm remembering correctly.

[Theo Von]

Dude. That I like those cars.

[Morgan Wallen]

It was not a bad car. I mean it wasn't. Whoever had it. It wasn't the most. It was like that right there. That's exactly what it looked like.

[Theo Von]

Oh, those were tough, dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

It's exactly what it was.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I had them. Ford Escort 84 Ford Escort. Pull that up, dude. If they'll even allow you sometimes. Google won't let you look at them anymore. Him are visually outlawed, bro. That'll cross. It'll remodel your eyeline when you look at that dude. God damn, that looks horrible. I hadn't looked a few years I could.

[Morgan Wallen]

I mean. Yeah, that's pretty bad. Especially that one on the right. That blue one. God, that one pulled up.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, and barely pulled up. That pulled up slow, dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

And it's got a two cylinder in it probably.

[Theo Von]

It had a outboard motor engine.

[Morgan Wallen]

You had to steer it like with the reverse way like. Like you have to do John Boat.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Steered it from the back.

[Theo Von]

And dude, somebody stole my passenger seat in that.

[Morgan Wallen]

Really?

[Theo Von]

Yeah. So if you had.

[Morgan Wallen]

Was it only a two seater anyway?

[Theo Von]

No, it had three extra little seats in the back.

[Morgan Wallen]

Okay. Okay.

[Theo Von]

But they weren't even a bench. It was three individual little bitty seats.

[Morgan Wallen]

Three booster seats right there.

[Theo Von]

Either I had to have three kids that were triplets I guess or a couple small buddies. But somebody had stole my damn passenger seat, dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

Did you ever get it back?

[Theo Von]

Somebody were eating at a Burger King and somebody stole that out of there and. But then people. People had to get in. They get in the car but they couldn't sit right there.

[Morgan Wallen]

Put a couple blankets down or something or what?

[Theo Von]

I don't know. Whatever, dude. But the one time I picked up a dude, dude. I was getting him to buy me alcohol at a gas station. I was skipping school. And he got in this kind of homelessy kind of guy. And he got in instead of sitting in the back, he just got on his knees right there in the passenger side. So I'm driving and he says he was your friend. I didn't know him. No, he's like a guy who I gave him money to buy me alcohol.

[Morgan Wallen]

Okay?

[Theo Von]

So. But anyway, I don't know why I'm telling you all this. I just cleaned out my car. Actually, I did not. That's not true. I just. I'm gonna clean it out, though. I am gonna clean it out this year for sure. I. Look, what I'm talking about is spring cleaning, and it's time to clean it all up. That's where Manscapes Beard and Balls Bundle comes in. You spent all winter looking like a Louisiana swamp possum who just went through a bad divorce, baby. It's time to tighten up, chief. Nothing says I'm back baby, like just catering around your balls. Baby. Grab the Beard and Balls Bundle from Manscaped and get yourself right. They have all in one grooming with the beard hedger. Customizable trimming with 20 adjustable settings. Don't cut corners on your grooming routine. Upgrade to the Beard and Balls Bundle from Manscape. Visit manscaped.com and use code THEO to get 20% off plus free shipping. Or if you need it today, you can find Manscaped at a store near you. Stay fresh this season for everyone's sake. Level up your grooming game today. Let me tell you something chaotic that happened one time with podcast and we Jelly Roll was here and we hadn't charged the batteries for the audio recorders and they gave up halfway through it. And so yeah, we lost about half of an episode there. But life in general can be chaotic. You know that. Especially if you're in charge of order fulfillment from an E commerce business. You know that's its own special kind of chaos. But with ShipStation, you can count on your day to day remaining calm. You never need to upgrade. Shipstation grows with your business, no matter how big it gets. It's the fastest, most affordable way to ship products to your customers with discounts up to 88% off. Wow. Calm the chaos of order fulfillment with the shipping software that delivers. Switch to ShipStation today. Go to ShipStation.com and use code Theo to sign up for your free trial. That's shipstation.com code theo. Today's episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Let's talk about numbers, shall we? Traditional in person therapy can cost anywhere from 100 to $250 per session, which adds up fast. But with BetterHelp online therapy, you can save on average up to 50% per session. That's right. With BetterHelp you pay a flat fee for weekly sessions, saving you big on cost and on time. Therapy should feel accessible, not like A luxury. With online therapy, you get quality care at a price that makes sense and can help you work with anything from anxiety to everyday stress. With over 30,000 therapists, BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform, having served over 5 million people globally. Your well being is worth it. Visit betterhelp.com the to get 10 off your first month. That's better help. H E L p.com Theo so you got the new album coming out. Does it feel, is there a moment where you feel that the album is finished? Is there a moment where you're like, I just can't. This is far enough. Could you keep going on an album? Like, could you keep fine tuning it forever?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yes, for sure. Yeah.

[Theo Von]

So that's a real possibility. You can overdo it.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The powers that be will give you a deadline if you want certain things to happen, you know, like do you want your vinyl to come, to be out, to be ready by when the record's ready, you know, things like that. So you kind of. They put a, you know, they give you a buffer because they know you're not going to have it in time. They got a buffer for the buffer. They got, they got like a eight week buffer, I think that they put on me. But those time, those time limits are, are healthy, I think, you know, because especially, I mean, it's not like we wasn't working. I mean we worked really hard on this album. Pretty much since tour was over, I've been writing and you know, just recording all that. So I mean, we recorded 50 or 51 songs and cut 13 or 14. Wow.

[Theo Von]

Really?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Von]

So what happens to a lot. You just kind of decide this doesn't fit here right now or you might hold.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, some of the songs were songs that I wrote, some of them weren't. So if I didn't write them, then they'll just. Whatever happens to them, not up to me anymore. And then if I did, you know, who knows, I might make a side project of something if, you know, something that has nothing to do with my name. I've always kind of wanted to do that anyway, you know, just kind of figure out a way to. It wouldn't be my voice. It wouldn't. I don't know how you do that. I'm sure there's all kinds of ways to go about it now, you know, these days, but. Oh yeah, but not be my name, not my voice, not be any kind of style of music that I, that I normally do, you know, just to see what happens. To it. Yeah, I'd be like house music or something, you know. I don't know.

[Theo Von]

I'd be pretty sick, dude. Yeah, dude, if you had house music.

[Morgan Wallen]

I mean, people would. If they saw my name on it, they would. I don't want it to have my name on it. I want to just see what happens. If it just gets put out into the world, you know, Maybe I'll like put it on a story or something of whoever it is, you know, Dream Jacker or whatever the team is. But whatever the name of the guy is.

[Theo Von]

Wet Dream Jacker. That'd be mine.

[Morgan Wallen]

Dream Jacking, currently. I mean, I. We were talking. Me and my buddies were talking about this topic the other day actually. And I don't know, he might actually have.

[Theo Von]

Putting out something secret. Low key.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

Creating some. Yeah, well, I bet. Because that's an interesting thing. It's like once you kind of have made a name in one space, it's kind of hawk. You can't. You know, you almost have. If you want to get a real test of what people think of something, you kind of have to secretly do it some other way.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, but it would. It wouldn't even be similar to the.

[Theo Von]

Type of music that I totally understand.

[Morgan Wallen]

It would be nothing even close to what I'm doing now. It would be like, I. I mean, I like. I like house music a little bit.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

So I listen to it working out or driving or stuff. You know, like melodic stuff.

[Theo Von]

Like that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

But I feel like a lot of that stuff. Stuff doesn't necessarily have a lot of words and stuff, you know, so maybe what if I took a song of mine that didn't make my album, but it's got a story, it's got all these things, you know, what if. What would people. Would people like that?

[Theo Von]

I don't know, dude, I've thought this. I thought. Started thinking of this about two years ago. So they have like. Ed, you go to these nightclubs and stuff and they'll have like John Summit. These different kind of guys who are playing like house, like trance or whatever. Whatever it is. It's just people doing dope really late at night and just doing like this, you know, whatever that is.

[Morgan Wallen]

I don't know the difference between all those styles. Styles of music. It's like. It's one style of music. I know there's sub genres and all that, but.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, same. I don't have a clue. But I'm always like, why don't they have a. Like a. More like country or like, why is it always like, if they had remixes of a lot of great country music like that and you put it to that same type of that. Because a lot of people want to still go have that environment, but I don't. Sometimes you get tired of that music. It just gets kind of old. So if they had remixes, some dope country. I'm like, if they had two country DJs that came out, like, I feel like it would be so sick just doing remixes and it would be cool.

[Morgan Wallen]

I'm surprised they don't have that already.

[Theo Von]

Me too. Me and Caleb Presley tried. Thought about trying to do it, but then it was just like, just don't have a lot of time, you know, and that becomes something too. Is like there's things you want to do and you just don't have enough time, you know?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, yeah. And that's. It's smart for you to realize that. I mean, it'll be like, well, I'm gonna quit my job, pays all my bills and, you know, go be a mason. It's like, well, maybe don't do that. Yeah. So, yeah, under.

[Theo Von]

Just remixing Brooks and done. Before you go, man, you have some. You have some amazing artists are going to be on some of these tour dates with you.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I do.

[Theo Von]

Did you have to call them individually and ask them how'd that kind of go? Because some of these are idols, really, in the industry.

[Morgan Wallen]

Well, I feel I'm, you know, Miranda. I'm good friends with Miranda. I'm good. I'm good friends with Brooks and Don.

[Theo Von]

So that was pretty easy.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. I mean, that would. That there was already mutual interest. And that's something that's kind of been a conversation for a little bit longer than just, you know, this year. So that one kind of just worked itself out between them and my. And my managers. I'm good friends with Thomas Red as well. So that one, they were all.

[Theo Von]

He's nice, huh?

[Morgan Wallen]

He's super nice.

[Theo Von]

God, what a nice guy. He lives nearby, I think.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I think you're right. It just all kind of happened pretty naturally. But I mean, it's unbelievable to me, you know, Like, I haven't really this. This page that's pulled up. I mean, just to see the people that are. That are opening for me, it's like. It doesn't even make sense, you know?

[Theo Von]

Miranda, Ella Langley, She's a new.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, she's a badass.

[Theo Von]

Or she's newly more popular.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

I'm not gonna say she's new. I don't know. About her history.

[Morgan Wallen]

I don't either, but Miranda, Corey, Ken.

[Theo Von]

I'm not familiar with. With them. If it's a man.

[Morgan Wallen]

It is. Yeah. He's good too.

[Theo Von]

I'm have to check him out.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. Ann Wilson, She's. She's a. A Christian artist by trait, but she's, you know, dabbling in the country music world. She's. She's really good. You know, she's on our. She's on our agency, so.

[Theo Von]

She is.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yep.

[Theo Von]

Yep. You started off to check her out. Oh, Gavin Adcock's out there with that, guys. Wow.

[Morgan Wallen]

Dude, I love that guy, man.

[Theo Von]

Dude.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I.

[Theo Von]

He's walking like. I see. He'll eat a. He'll eat a damn three pack. I saw him eat a three pack of beers.

[Morgan Wallen]

He probably did.

[Theo Von]

Oh, he'll eat two beers, dude. Yeah. He doesn't give a damn, dude. He played offensive line for Bud Light for a couple years. I think there is nobody like him.

[Morgan Wallen]

He. He's definitely outlandish. What are those things? Those military. What are those, MREs or whatever? He just got beer in there.

[Theo Von]

Dude. He'll.

[Morgan Wallen]

But he. He's.

[Theo Von]

He's entertaining.

[Morgan Wallen]

He's entertaining. He's got. He's got a good voice too. And his. His music seems like he just keeps getting better too, so I'm. I'm happy for him, man.

[Theo Von]

I got to tap in more with him. I saw him play with kid rocking them on his. One of his shows last year. Dude, I'll say this. Bob Richie, his live performance.

[Morgan Wallen]

Dude, no, he'll. He'll let him have it, won't he, Bro?

[Theo Von]

It. I was. I mean, I know you know, but I didn't. It was good.

[Morgan Wallen]

I've never seen it person, like firsthand.

[Theo Von]

But it was really.

[Morgan Wallen]

I can imagine.

[Theo Von]

I mean, I knew it would be, but it's just been some time, you know. It's hard to keep up, you know, I mean, being out there for two hours. I mean, you guys get. I mean, it. It's a lot, man.

[Morgan Wallen]

It is, man. It can be for sure. I mean, depends on how often you do it too, you know? I mean, if you're doing it. Some people, I guess, still do it three. Three nights a week. I'm just. I'm just going to do it too, because it feels like a disservice to. To me and everyone else to do it three days in a row, you know, but two. Two seems like a good sweet spot. You can. As long, you know, you play the show. Probably don't go to bed till 34 in the morning just because you're so wound up.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, you're up. People visit and you got to say bye to everybody, all that.

[Morgan Wallen]

Well, I don't do all that anymore much. Yeah, but even still, they know what the priorities are at this point. So if I, if I play a show, you'll head out? Boy, if my boy's with me, he'll be asleep already anyway. So I'll just. We head straight out. Don't stick around. I try to go to bed as soon as possible. Usually, like I said, don't have no three or four. Then you try your best to sleep till noon, 1, 2, as late as you possibly can. Just because your voice, after doing all that, you know, you need all that rest. So it's a, it's become a little bit more like a regiment for me, which is, which is good. You know, I got a, A vocal coach and all that stuff too now. So it's just like, it's like a whole boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. This is how it is now, you know, and that seems to help me a lot.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of interesting. When I was a little younger, I could do those, I could do, you know, some of those stretches and now I'm like, I don't. I wish I. When I do see them on the schedule, it's a little bit tougher. Not comparing comedy and. And what? You know.

[Morgan Wallen]

No, but you're. I mean, it is. I mean, it's still the same thing.

[Theo Von]

It's like a regimen. It's like, yeah, I gotta sleep in late. And it's like, well, that kind of sucks because now it's know, it's like, it's kind of hard if you wake up at 10 to go back to sleep for two more hours because it's light out.

[Morgan Wallen]

It's really hard.

[Theo Von]

It's hard. But you know, you need that two miles of sleep. Otherwise I'm gonna be edgy, you know, and I won't be able to, man, I might not want to go work out. Just all the little things like.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, it does, it is, it's important.

[Theo Von]

Because it's just about getting yourself back on the stage for that next. That when it's time to go, it's time to go.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. I mean, back in the day, I mean, which we weren't playing two hour shows back then either, you know, but we would play six, six shows in one week, know. So I don't know how. I mean, it just had to be young, I guess, you know, I mean, it Wasn't like we were. I wasn't. The only regiment then was sleep till 4, start drinking at 5. You know what I mean? Like, that's what it was then, and we gonna be good. Is that right, bro?

[Theo Von]

Hell, yeah. That's a Gavin Adcock national anthem.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah. I think if. I think back in the day, if. If I had a camera on me, like. Like Adcock does now, they might. They might be. They would be probably saying some simpler stuff about me, but a little more. He's a little more bold with it, I guess, than I was.

[Theo Von]

Well, he's really. Yeah, he's. Oh, dude, he's. He'll be on stage, people. I think there's some. He's like. People are throwing beers. He just has beers bouncing off of him. He's an animal, dude. He like, the PA system shut down, but we gonna still perform. He just yell. He just. He'll hollow out a beer can and just yell out of it. And he's doing all kind of. He is ballsy dude. Dude. His personality's cool. He's fun guy. Very entertaining. I got to tap into more of his music. I haven't listened to a lot of.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, you need to get him on here.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I do need to. People say that we look alike a little bit, but I think they're just being nice to me.

[Morgan Wallen]

To you? To you or him?

[Theo Von]

One of us, dude. Oh, yeah. You got your drink here. May brought this today.

[Morgan Wallen]

That real tea?

[Theo Von]

How's it going?

[Morgan Wallen]

Real tea, man? It seems to be. Seems to be progressing nicely. I like it. I like it on ice better. Yeah, but I've always liked sweet tea better on ice. But, I mean, you know, because I've been. I'm trying to eat and live and drink and all that stuff clean. So for something that's actually, you know, healthy, it's. It's good.

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, it's good for sure.

[Theo Von]

I like it. I like having a nice little can of tea or something. I'll keep a couple in the car. I'll drink them warm, even.

[Morgan Wallen]

Do you.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, I'll get a whole one in me at a stoplight.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I don't do all that.

[Theo Von]

You don't?

[Morgan Wallen]

No. My. My drummer told me one time he had drank, like. I can't remember how many, you know, like 13 or something. And ungodly in a short amount of time. Said, damn, man, you're gonna have kidney stones for sure.

[Theo Von]

Hey, dude, that's. Bro. Maybe he'll have a band, a cover band of the Rolling Stones. And it's Called Kidney stones, the rolling kidney stone. Is there a song sometimes of your own that you'll listen to or one that catches you sometimes it'll kind of catch in your feels a little bit. Is there anyone that you're like.

[Morgan Wallen]

I mean, yeah, the song. Song I wrote to my son is. Is the song.

[Theo Von]

Oh, the one that's not out yet.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, that does that. It'll be out soon. But I mean, it's also one of those things to where, you know, I've tried so many times to write a song like that for him, and it always fell flat. So I'd listen to it on the way home or whatever after we wrote it, and I'd be like, that's. That's good, you know, but it's not. It's not how I want it. And I also didn't want to write, like, a song to him that was all, I don't know, sappy and slow and, you know, just like what you would expect a dad's son song to be. Oh, wish you wouldn't grow up. You know, all that. Like, I didn't want it to be that I wanted another birthday cake. It's like, I didn't want that song at all. That song's been written plenty enough, so. And I wanted it to keep, like, have a little bit of my. My sound and my swag and just like. And to be honest, you know, so it was a hard thing to try to get all those things wrapped up into one song. And with. It's called Superman is what it's called, and I feel like we accomplished that. And when I was. When we wrote it and I was riding home, it was actually the last song that made my record. So it's not like I've had it for a long time. You know, it took us a while to. To get that song. And it was actually Blake, one of my buddy Blake's. It was his idea. And the hook was different, though. It said Superman. I don't remember what the hook was exactly, but I was just singing it, and I was like, oh, I know. I know what it is. And I changed. I changed the hook, and it, like, it made it. It was like, oh, there it is unlocked. And we all. All three of us in there, four of us in the room, just kind of was like, oh, yeah, that's it. You know? And then on the way home, I was listening to it and started crying. And that's the first time I had that it happened with a song for him. So that's.

[Theo Von]

I kind of knew yeah, that's cool, man. Yeah, man. There's one thing I've always. I've always thought you had very good instincts, man. I've always admired your instincts, you know, whether it's humor, we're joking around, whatever. You're sharp, dude. You're a sharp guy. And, yeah, it's been. I appreciate you just supporting my podcast and, you know, it's nice of you. And thanks for all the great music, man. That one about the mom. Oh, I wrote with the book. And that one sometimes.

[Morgan Wallen]

That's one of my favorites.

[Theo Von]

Still, if I'm driving home at night or something, I'll listen to that one, dude. You know, That's a good one. That was, like, kind of puts me in a good spot, you know?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah, I like that one, too, man.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. And what's the one about the mom?

[Morgan Wallen]

You talking about my mom?

[Theo Von]

Yeah.

[Morgan Wallen]

Thought you should know.

[Theo Von]

Yeah, that one.

[Morgan Wallen]

Yeah.

[Theo Von]

God, that one. God damn. Did I pull over and cry? Sometimes?

[Morgan Wallen]

Do you really?

[Theo Von]

I will. I'm like, you can't cry and drive, you little.

[Morgan Wallen]

This goes back to what you're talking about, you thinking in motion and all that stuff.

[Theo Von]

Yeah. Yeah. It's just too much. Morgan Waller, man, one of the most prolific artists of, I think, of the ever on the face of the earth, man. It's a pleasure, dude. I feel lucky to get to know your cousin. He and I are close, and. Yeah, just thanks for all the entertainment on behalf of everybody, and it's just been. It's been a gift, man.

[Morgan Wallen]

Thank you, man. I say the same to you. I appreciate everything that you do for me.

[Theo Von]

Cheers, brother. Excited for the new album?

[Morgan Wallen]

Yes, sir. Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone oh but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones but it's gonna take a little.