American history through song

Summary

Throughline: "American History Through Song"

Podcast: Throughline (NPR)
Air Date: July 7, 2026
Host: Rund Abdelfattah
Guests: Lara Downs, Iman Perry, Jill Lepore, John McWhorter, Jennifer Ludden

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Episode Overview

In this special installment of the "America in Pursuit" series, Throughline explores U.S. history through the lens of iconic songs that have defined generations. Led by scholar and pianist Lara Downs, the episode unveils how music has connected Americans across time and space, helping the nation reflect on its past and look forward to its future. The episode dives into the stories and meanings behind three seminal songs—“Amazing Grace,” “My Days Have Been So Wondrous Free,” and “Get Happy”—with expert guests offering historical, cultural, and personal insights.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Power of Music as History

• Music as a Through Line:
  Lara Downs introduces the idea—via Questlove’s phrase "music is history"—that songs are a living record of both personal and collective experience, connecting vastly different lives and eras.
  [00:57 – 02:29]
• Songs as Social Connectors:
  Downs describes how the same songs—learned, sung, and cherished—can connect even the most disparate experiences and generations.

  "What I always say about these songs is that like my great grandmother knew this song and your great grandmother knew this song...That song connected them across time and place."
  – Lara Downs [02:29]

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2. "Amazing Grace"—Redemption, Transformation, and Freedom

Guest: Iman Perry, author
Key Segment: [04:35 – 09:13]

• Origins and Cultural Resilience:
  John Newton, an English slave trader turned abolitionist, wrote “Amazing Grace” in the 1770s—its journey into American life reflects profound transformation.

  "There are over 3,000 recordings of this song in the Library of Congress...Every time I hear it, I do ask myself, what is this thing called grace?"
  – Lara Downs [05:31]

• Meaning of Grace:

  "Grace is that unearned gift, right? Something divine within that you are born with...You can read in the song this sense of encountering the lowest point of devastation and still having a sense of the divine and possibility."
  – Iman Perry [05:40]

• Adoption in Black Communities:
  As Christianity spread in Black communities in the early 19th century, “Amazing Grace” became a vision of freedom.

  “It becomes a song that can speak to the descendants of those who were in the hold of the ship.”
  – Iman Perry [06:29]

• Personal Connection and Interpretation:

  “For me, I’m not a religious person. I define faith as belief in my fellow humans, I think. And this song speaks so clearly to that. It’s open to interpretation, isn’t it?”
  – Lara Downs [07:03]

• Legacy and Future Orientation:
  The song both draws from history and projects hope—Aretha Franklin’s 1972 version is cited as a moment of future-leaning tradition.

  "Aretha Franklin's 1972...that moment was about the future, even though she was drawing on tradition..."
  – Iman Perry [07:58]

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3. "My Days Have Been So Wondrous Free"—America’s First Song and Its Contradictions

Guest: Jill Lepore, historian
Key Segment: [10:13 – 14:34]

• Historical Context:
  “My Days Have Been So Wondrous Free” (1759) is considered the first formally documented American song. Americans have always brought—and blended—music from diverse backgrounds.

  “The 18th century Atlantic seaboard culture was a crazy mix...Probably about the most sort of ethnically, racially, linguistically pluralist that the country has ever been.”
  – Jill Lepore [11:05]

• Music Despite Oppression:
  Lepore emphasizes the survival of spiritual and cultural traditions amid brutality, linking the quest for freedom and the eventual birth of American rights to the voices of the oppressed.

  “To think of the music as surviving is just an incredible testament to the vitality and insistence of the human spirit’s need for beauty.”
  – Jill Lepore [12:13]

• American Ideals From a Troubled Past:
  The contradiction—a democracy emerging from a land of slavery and indigenous dispossession—reminds listeners of the complexity and struggle inherent in the national origin story.

  “That’s where the American idea is born, in that crucible of violence.”
  – Jill Lepore [13:16]

• Takeaway on Progress:

  "There's nothing romantic to me about the 18th century. What is really extraordinary is the capacity for the creation of beautiful work and the devising of ingenious ideas, in spite of the incredible cruelty and suffering of daily living."
  – Jill Lepore [13:44] "The generosity of spirit around what it is to lift one another up is an ideal of the revolution that we very often forget and we need in this moment."
  – Jill Lepore [14:22]

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4. "Get Happy"—Optimism as Resilience During Crisis

Guest: John McWhorter, linguist & columnist
Key Segment: [15:00 – 19:57]

• Origins in Tragedy, Role of Optimism:
  Written on the eve of the Great Depression, “Get Happy” embodies the American ability to find levity in hardship.

  "I've become so aware of this role that American music has always taken of injecting that joy and that optimism...all of the happiest songs have honestly come from the hardest times."
  – Lara Downs [15:17]

• Cultural Exchange and Appropriation:
  The song draws directly from the Black gospel tradition, highlighting layers of influence and questions of credit.

  "The phrase Get Happy comes from the Black gospel music tradition. It's a reference to receiving the Holy Spirit..."
  – Lara Downs [16:22] "The song became a hit when the whole country had just fallen to pieces. Mickey Mouse is dancing around...But it really was kind of a therapy."
  – John McWhorter [16:13]

• Ownership, Authenticity, and Joy:

  "Get Happy feels like such a Black song that I don't think any Black person would feel inauthentic singing it. That's one that just joins America together."
  – John McWhorter [17:26] McWhorter notes the injustice that Black composers were often shut out of these successes. "They had this huge pop hit...there were all of these Black composers who could have written the same sort of thing. That just has to be said."
  – John McWhorter [17:48]

• Role of Artists in Hard Times:
  Downs ponders whether the musician’s job is to record pain or to create joy:

  “Do you want to chronicle the hardship and sort of interpret this moment…or do you accept the job of being an entertainer and...make that thing that makes other people feel better?”
  – Lara Downs [18:00]

• Collective Joy and the American Spirit:

  "Part of being American is that focus on the great day coming, the idea that we are an experiment that's always going on. It's human to try to make the best of the worst."
  – John McWhorter [19:39]
  "It's in our founding promise, the pursuit of happiness."
  – Lara Downs [19:57]

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5. American Innovation: Dizzy Gillespie’s Trumpet

Reported by: Jennifer Ludden
Key Segment: [21:29 – 23:26]

• Symbol of Innovation:
  Dizzy Gillespie’s angled trumpet in the Smithsonian exemplifies American creativity.

  "Notable for so many reasons, not least of which is its angled bell, which was kind of the trademark."
  – Kristel Klingenberg [21:38]

• Jazz and Diplomacy Amid Racism:
  Gillespie became a jazz ambassador for the U.S. abroad, even while facing discrimination at home. A 1955 story about Gillespie and Ella Fitzgerald's arrest after playing to an integrated audience is highlighted as both absurd and emblematic of American contradiction.
• Gillespie’s Persona:

  "He was that warm kind of jazz grandpa."
  – Kristel Klingenberg [23:23]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Music is history.” (Rund Abdelfattah paraphrasing Questlove) [00:57]
• “Our journeys have been shared and our troubles have been shared...These songs illustrate that.” (Lara Downs) [02:29]
• “Aretha Franklin's 1972. That moment was about the future even though she was drawing on tradition.” (Iman Perry) [07:58]
• “There's nothing romantic to me about the 18th century...What is really extraordinary is the capacity for the creation of beautiful work…in spite of the incredible cruelty and suffering of daily living.” (Jill Lepore) [13:44]
• “Part of being American is that focus on the great day coming...It's human to try to make the best of the worst.” (John McWhorter) [19:39]
• “It's in our founding promise, the pursuit of happiness.” (Lara Downs) [19:57]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction to Series and Theme — [00:18–02:29]
• Amazing Grace with Iman Perry — [04:35–09:13]
• My Days Have Been So Wondrous Free with Jill Lepore — [10:13–14:34]
• Get Happy with John McWhorter — [15:00–19:57]
• Dizzy Gillespie’s Trumpet and Jazz as History — [21:29–23:26]

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Tone and Style

The episode is reflective and inquisitive, blending scholarly insight with emotional resonance. Rund Abdelfattah and Lara Downs guide listeners with warmth and curiosity, frequently making space for guests to share personal interpretations and historical analysis. The language is rooted in storytelling, seeking to engage both the emotions and intellect of listeners.

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Conclusion

"American History Through Song" is a musically rich journey through three centuries of American life, culture, and struggle. The Throughline team demonstrates how songs—old and new—can both memorialize hardship and inspire collective hope, and how the nation’s complex, often painful history is intimately intertwined with its most enduring musical works. The episode closes with a reminder that musical innovation and resilience are essential threads in the American fabric—and that, as ever, the “pursuit of happiness” is a work in progress.

Transcript

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[Rand Abdelfattah]

This is America in Pursuit, a limited run series from NPR and Throughline. I'm Rand Abdelfattah. Each week we bring you stories about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in the US that began 250 years ago. Throughout this series we brought you stories from all corners of American life since the founders stated their intentions for this nation. We've talked about the creation of the voting system in the US We've shared firsthand experiences of the Great Depression and we've looked at the American economy. Today we're doing something a little different. We're going to listen to some music to help us explore the past.

[Lara Downs]

Of course, you can look at any point in American history and understand what was happening through the sounds that were developing at that time. I could borrow a phrase from Questlove, which is music is history, you know, because it is my world and in my experience it is. That is really how I, how I understand the scope of time.

[Rand Abdelfattah]

This is scholar and classical pianist Lara Downs. She's been working on her own AP250 series with NPR. Looking at the last 250 years through music.

[Lara Downs]

I realized that classical musicians start our training very young. I mean, I was, by the time I was four years old, I was already a musician. That understanding of the world by playing music, that's 2 and 300 years old. So for me, 250 years, I'm like, yeah, that's where I live all the time.

[Rand Abdelfattah]

When you think about it, there really is no better through line to history than music. How songs, the very music notes are passed down, sampled and recycled and sometimes turned into something completely new.

[Lara Downs]

Not only do they get passed down, but they get passed around. They move among different sectors and with the constant flow into this country too, there's just been this never stopping evolution.

[Rand Abdelfattah]

Today on the show, we're gonna hear some of Laura's series. Three stories featuring writers, musicians and scholars about three songs that have defined Amazing Grace. My days have been so wondrous Free and get happy.

[Lara Downs]

What I always say about these songs is that like my great grandmother knew this song and your great grandmother knew this song. And they might have lived totally different lives in very different places. And that song connected them across time and place. And I think that that is the superpower of music, is that these songs. They illustrate that our journeys have been shared and our troubles have been shared. And you know that we have worked together in many ways to bring this country to the present day.

[Rand Abdelfattah]

That's coming up after a quick break.

[Jill Lepore]

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[Rand Abdelfattah]

Lara Downs has been traveling around the country talking to scholars, historians and musicians with music as her guide. The first piece we're going to hear from Lara is an interview with author Iman Perry about the song Amazing Grace. Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound.

[Lara Downs]

John Newton, an English clergyman, poet, slave trader, and eventual abolitionist, he writes this song in the early 1770s. Yes, and it's kind of never gone away.

[Iman Perry]

Gets remarkably resilient.

[Lara Downs]

There are, I think, over 3,000 recordings of this song in the Library of Congress. And I think every time I hear it, I do ask myself, what is this thing called grace?

[Iman Perry]

Grace is that unearned gift, right? Something divine within that you are born with. And there's sort of a story that the lyrics are a direct response to Newton's experience of being horrified while working aboard a slave ship. So I think we we can read in the song this sense of encountering the lowest point of devastation and still having a sense of the divine and possibility. And maybe why the song has a particular power in the US Context. This place that's made of dreams and also their deferrals.

[Jill Lepore]

Now

[Lara Downs]

I see grace as forgiveness and redemption, but also this second chances thing

[Iman Perry]

we don't often think about the fact that the first several generations of enslaved people in this country hadn't necessarily adopted Christianity. And so it makes sense that then in the early 19th century, this song would begin to move into the black community as Christianity did. It really emphasized the vision of freedom. And so the song just being a song that comes from the heart and mind of someone who's becoming an abolitionist, it becomes a song that can speak to the descendants of those who are in the hold of the ship.

[Lara Downs]

For me, I'm not a religious person. I define faith as belief in my fellow humans, I think. And this song speaks so clearly to that. It's open to interpretation, isn't it? It is. It really is.

[Iman Perry]

And I think that's part of what's so wonderful about all of the varying musical interpretations of it.

[Jill Lepore]

Twas grace that taught my heart to fear and grace my fears relieve.

[Lara Downs]

This project started, you know, as a reflection on this 250th anniversary of the country. So quickly I understood that this was not nearly as much about the past as. As it is about the future.

[Musician (possibly Lara Downs or another musician)]

Right.

[Lara Downs]

And that history is built on the future.

[Iman Perry]

Yes.

[Lara Downs]

Because everybody who's ever been a first generation American, that is what they believed in.

[Iman Perry]

My favorite version is Aretha Franklin's 1972. And without question, that moment was about the future, even though she was drawing on tradition in order to sort of propel her voice to what was coming.

[Lara Downs]

I think Amazing Grace is really one of the clearest examples of this song that means so many different things to so many people, gets passed around, doesn't stay property of anybody.

[Iman Perry]

The way that this particular song is available to Americans is a tradition.

[Musician (possibly Lara Downs or another musician)]

Yes.

[Iman Perry]

I think there's something really meaningful about trying to find the kind of resonance with each person who's sitting across from you. And that does not mean agreement necessarily on anything, but there is value in trying to figure it out. And in order to do that, you actually have to leave open possibility.

[Lara Downs]

Yes, always.

[Rand Abdelfattah]

As part of her series, Lara also hosted some live events across the country. Next up, we're going to hear her conversation from one of those events with historian Jill Lepore.

[Musician (possibly Lara Downs or another musician)]

I played this song on a snowy night in a 200-year-old barn in Brattleboro in front of a capacity audience. It's a new arrangement of My days have Been so wondrous Free. Francis Hopkinson wrote the original in 1759 in Philadelphia.

[Jennifer Ludden]

My days have been so wondrous free

[Musician (possibly Lara Downs or another musician)]

it's often called the first American song because it might just be the first Documented, formally notated song written on American soil, although there were songs long before that by indigenous peoples. And the music Africans brought here in bondage, songs that dreamed of freedom. I came to this old barn to talk with historian Jill Lepore. She's written a 900 page history of the United States, and she told us that even before the revolution, America was already a melting pot.

[Jill Lepore]

18th century Atlantic seaboard culture was a crazy mix. Probably about the most sort of ethnically, racially, linguistically pluralist that the country has ever been. Philadelphia was the biggest city, very English in many ways, but also quite Dutch and a lot of Irish and very German. And then the enslaved population was sizable, but so was the free black population, because by 1759, when Hopkinson was writing already, Quakers had condemned and denounced slavery. So a really wonderfully vibrant culture.

[Lara Downs]

Yeah, the music really starts to mingle right away. People bought what they had when they came here. We all carry songs with us. And Africans brought their songs with them,

[Musician (possibly Lara Downs or another musician)]

the seeds of traditional black spirituals, like, nobody knows the trouble I've seen

[Jill Lepore]

just hearing this music and thinking about how much it was suppressed. To think of the music as surviving is just an incredible testament to the vitality and insistence of the human spirit's need for beauty. But I think there's another legacy of that era of great brutality that we also tend to to forget. And that is, it's not an accident that the world's first modern democracy is born in a part of the world that is one of the last places where human bondage exists. In fact, it is the cries for freedom, the insistence that enslaved Africans make and the insistence on sovereignty that indigenous peoples make. And out of that emerges this discourse of rights. You know, that gets us all the way down to the Bill of Rights and the awareness of an inexcusability of tyranny over other people. That's where the American idea is born, in that crucible of violence.

[Lara Downs]

Is this encouraging or is this just. No, I really struggle with this. It's so hard for us to wrap our heads around this moment, to think about this founding promise we certainly haven't achieved it. Is the idea just that we're still in the thick of it?

[Musician (possibly Lara Downs or another musician)]

250 years in, and the road is still bumpy, but the only way is forward. Jill Lepore says, we definitely wouldn't want to go back.

[Jill Lepore]

There's nothing romantic to me about the 18th century. You would die in childbirth, your children would die in infancy. You would live to 24. No, what is really extraordinary is the capacity for the creation of beautiful work and the devising of ingenious ideas, in spite of the incredible cruelty and suffering of daily living.

[Musician (possibly Lara Downs or another musician)]

And today, in this anniversary year, the American melting pot of art and ideas is still resilient. At the end, Jill Lepore left us with a lesson from from those hard times when America was young.

[Jill Lepore]

The generosity of spirit around what it is to lift one another up is an ideal of the revolution that we very often forget and we need in this moment.

[Musician (possibly Lara Downs or another musician)]

So we all bundled up and headed out into the snowy night with new insights about our history and some ideas about how to build our future together.

[Rand Abdelfattah]

The last piece we're going to play of Lara's is about the song Get Happy. It was written during a particularly painful period in our country's history, and that's a theme Lara found in her reporting for this series. The idea of smiling through the pain being a part of the DNA of American songs.

[Lara Downs]

I've become so aware of this role that American music has always taken of injecting that joy and that optimism. And once you start to look at that, you realize how all of the happiest songs have honestly come from the hardest times.

[Rand Abdelfattah]

Here's Laura's conversation with the writer John McWhorter, the linguist and columnist for the New York Times.

[Lara Downs]

Harold Arlin wrote the song Get Happy sometime in the fall of 1929, within weeks of the October stock market crash that launched the Great Depression. By the next year, the song was in the top 10 on the pop charts. Get your troubles and just get happy. You better chase all your cares away Sing hallelujah Come on get happy get ready for the judgment day. It's such a. A hummable, optimistic tune in such a disastrous time. And I'm imagining the comfort and energy that came with that song playing over the radio into America's kitchens and living rooms.

[John McWhorter]

The song became a hit when the whole country had just fallen to pieces. Mickey Mouse is dancing around and there are these songs that go. But it really was kind of a therapy.

[Lara Downs]

The phrase Get Happy comes from the black gospel music tradition. It's a reference to receiving the Holy Spirit with that, you know, ecstatic singing that happens in a gospel church service. When I think about Harold Arlen choosing that title for the song, it really makes me think about the origins of so much of our American music, which comes from those Negro spirituals and work songs that were an outlet for expression and to imagine a better life.

[John McWhorter]

Yeah, it's interesting with Arlen. He was somebody who Ethel Waters called the blackest white man. I ever knew. And so he had this feel. Da da da da da da da. And it was Ted Koehler, his lyricist, who actually came up with this Get Happy. I'm sure with the encouragement of Arlen, because he would have probably known the phrase get happy.

[Lara Downs]

And I mean, the whole lyric of that song, it's really specifically about, you know, get ready for the judgment day. It's kind of impersonating a kind of a spiritual.

[Jill Lepore]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[John McWhorter]

They were really channeling something real so that Get Happy feels like such a black song that I don't think any black person would feel inauthentic singing it. That's one that just joins America together.

[Jill Lepore]

Forget your troubles and just get happy. You better chase all your cares away. Sing hallelujah. Come on, get happy. Get ready for the judgment day.

[John McWhorter]

I hate to bring Arlen into this, but they had this huge pop hit, and probably, you know, both of them bought houses on the basis of it, whereas there were all of these black composers who could have written the same sort of thing. That just has to be said.

[Lara Downs]

Speaking of time and place in these hard times, there are choices that you have to make about the role that you take as, you know, a dancing mouse, the role that you take in our society. Do you want to chronicle the hardship and sort of interpret this moment and you do, or do you accept the job of being an entertainer and do you kind of try to move past your own feelings and try to make that thing that makes other people feel better?

[John McWhorter]

What do you think? I'm asking you as a professional musician?

[Lara Downs]

Well, I mean, I think I wiggle around with it. I think. I mean, honestly, I think it depends on the day. I'm thinking about one artist who's absolutely chosen to be a spokesperson for Joy, and I think that his whole heart and soul is in it, and that's Jon Batiste. And, you know, since he was a kid busking on the subways, his message is really come together, experience joy collectively, and the music is part of that. He had a song in 2021 called We Are.

[Commercial Announcer]

We Are.

[Jill Lepore]

We are, we are, we are, we are, we are.

[Lara Downs]

And what he's doing with that song is he's evoking the ancestors and their persistent faith in the power of Joy. But it's also a song to rally us in our own times, the kind

[John McWhorter]

of joy that he purveys. There's a little part of me that always thinks of it as a bit of a pose, and I'm wrong. Sometimes. I'm a little bit afraid of those calls for joy. Maybe because I am a slightly depressive person, maybe because I think too much.

[Lara Downs]

I think that when things are really

[Musician (possibly Lara Downs or another musician)]

dark, joy isn't easy.

[John McWhorter]

Part of being American is that focus on the great day coming, the idea that we are an experiment that's always going on. It's human to try to make the best of the worst. That's how our hormones work in our brains.

[Musician (possibly Lara Downs or another musician)]

We as Americans, we center joy.

[Lara Downs]

It's in our founding promise, the pursuit of happiness.

[Rand Abdelfattah]

That's it for this week's America in Pursuit. Join us next week when we hear stories of protests in America with NPR's on ongoing AP250 series.

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The police came and they shouted and

[Jill Lepore]

they got in people's face and no one budged.

[Rand Abdelfattah]

That's next week. And stick around after the credits for something a little special, a short story about how one tiny accident created a new big sound. This episode was produced by Kiana Mohadam with help from Amy Padula, and edited by Liana Simstrom with support from the Throughline production team. Music by Ramtin Adaplouei and his band Drop Electric. Special thanks to Julia Redpath, Irene Noguchi, Yolanda Sangweni, Casey minor and Lindsay McKenna. I'm Rund Abdelfattah. Before we go, here's NPR's Jennifer Ludden with one final story about an important moment in American music history.

[Jennifer Ludden]

In a glass case at the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History sits Dizzy Gillespie's trumpet,

[Kristel Klingenberg]

notable for so many reasons, not least of which is its angled bell, which was kind of the trademark.

[Jennifer Ludden]

We'll get back to why the bell points up. Music curator Kristel Klingenberg says the man and his instrument were an American original,

[Kristel Klingenberg]

and it's one of many examples of where American entertainment has just burst forth with something new and special and reached the whole world.

[Jennifer Ludden]

In the 1940s, Gillespie with his signature puffed out cheeks, helped forge a new jazz era, edgier, faster, complex rhythms called bebop. The State Department enlisted Gillespie and others as Cold War jazz ambassadors to win hearts and minds abroad, even as they faced racism at home. In 1955, after Gillespie and Ella Fitzgerald played to an integrated audience in Houston, they were arrested on trumped up charges of gambling. Klingenberg says the photos of them in jail are incredible.

[Kristel Klingenberg]

Dizzy's kind of hanging out, being Dizzy. You see Ella Fitzgerald in the most beautiful, elegant gown, like she's not meant to be there in the lockup. Why is she there?

[Jennifer Ludden]

Despite such pressures on stage, Gillespie was charming playful, funny. That sense of fun came through when in 1953, his trumpet first got bent.

[Kristel Klingenberg]

Accidents happen on stage and it fell.

[Jennifer Ludden]

He picked it up to play and decided he liked the strange news sound, so he had his trumpets custom made that way as testament to his nearly six decade career. Klingenberg first saw Gillespie as a child watching Sesame.

[Kristel Klingenberg]

He was that warm kind of jazz grandpa.

[Jennifer Ludden]

A circle of kids bop and sway, entranced by the gray haired man with a funny looking trumpet. Jennifer Ludden, NPR News.

[John McWhorter]

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