*PATREON PREVIEW* Good Guy Alert

Summary

Throwing Fits – PATREON PREVIEW Good Guy Alert

Hosts: Lawrence Lawson & James Harris
Date: December 5, 2025

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Episode Overview

This Patreon preview of Throwing Fits is a classic dose of the pod’s unfiltered banter—Lawrence and James riff on their fits of the day, reflect on fashion trends, and share personal anecdotes that range from nicotine addiction to Mad Men rewatches. The spirit is irreverent, self-aware, and peppered with inside jokes, as the "grown dirtbags" lean into their oddball roles in the zeitgeist, blending menswear chat with confessional comedy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fit Checks (01:17–07:01)

• Lawrence’s Fit:

  • Old Prada hikers ("a grail of mine—I got through our good friend Luke Fraser") (02:31)
  • “Split toe” design is humorously compared to a “scrotal wraith” (03:01), leading to a riff about anatomy-inspired footwear.
  • Jeans: Our Legacy Workshop
  • Socks: Hick’s
  • Flannel: Vintage Abercrombie & Fitch
  • Thermal: Our Legacy x Satisfy Running
  • Hat: Small Talk Studio
  • Leather Jacket: Studio Nicholson “Piston”
  • On sizing: Lawrence discusses how weight gain has helped a previously too-oversized jacket fit perfectly:

    “So I got fat and now it’s perfect… The one silver lining to, like, being like, well, all this stuff that I love doesn’t fit how I want it to, or I hate myself. But now the piston jacket dialed.” (04:32)

  • James jokes, “You filled out.” (04:51)
  • They both discuss the virtues of layering versus sizing up for outerwear.

• Fashion Trend Reflection:

  • Lawrence describes starting the “leather jacket over the shirt and tie” look and feeling a twinge of pride as it becomes viral:

    “I was doing it before everyone fucking bit my shit.” (05:51)

  • They poke fun at the meme-ification of trends, debating whether it’s more embarrassing to be early or late to a trend. (06:09)

2. Addiction/Quitting Zen on Vacation (08:03–10:26)

• Lawrence shares struggles with nicotine (Zen pouches), and the difficulty of quitting on a family trip, particularly when his wife, Jenna, wants him to stop:

  “I was like, you know what, let me bring what I have left at home… and I’ll run out on vacation, and that’ll start like the quitting process. And I maybe got, like half a day into that, and I was like, oh, I’m gonna murder suicide my entire family.” (09:02)

• James pushes back humorously, “Who says it’s bad for you? I thought it’s good for you… No tar, no smoke, no chemicals.” (08:30)

• The effect of Zen on intimacy:

  “One time, like, I was hooking up with my wife… I was like, oh, one second. And she saw me take it [the Zen] out, and she’s like, mood killed.” (09:20)

• On attempts to cut down consumption:

  “I’ve weaned myself down to, like, just six…” (10:28)

3. Mad Men Rewatch & Menswear Parallels (10:41–12:11)

• Both hosts are rewatching Mad Men and relate its themes to their own lives/habits, especially smoking.
• James quotes the show:

  “According to Burt Cooper, cigarettes are a sign of weakness.” (10:56)

• They laugh about the ironies of Mad Men’s characters and their own failed attempts to quit vices.

4. James’ Fit Check (12:18–13:32)

• Our Legacy 10 Pin Shoes
• Socks: Nike Dri-FIT
• Jeans: Vintage Levi’s Silver Tab (“20 bucks on eBay”) (12:34)
• T-shirt: Guy Harvey (referred to as “a little French brand called Guy Harvey” in jest)
• Long sleeve: New Stofa piece, “kind of like dark gray… you know I’m a Grazman.” (13:06)
• On custom orders:

  “You put an order, you got it made to order?”
  “Yeah… I think I paid upfront.” (13:14–13:21)

• Lawrence interjects with the episode’s titular phrase:

  “Good guy alert.” (13:23)

  • James laughs, “Put that Stofa on layaway.” (13:28)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Lawrence (on fit evolution):

  “So I got fat and now it’s perfect… the one silver lining to, like, being like, well, all this stuff I love doesn’t fit how I want it to, or I hate myself. But now the piston jacket dialed.” (04:32)

• James (on trends):

  “Is it tougher to be the guy that is, like, starting the trend and you’re ahead of the trend, or to be the victim of the trend—to be a sheep, to be, like, in the middle of the herd, or to be the lone wolf?” (06:08)

• Lawrence (on quitting Zen):

  “I maybe got, like, half a day into that, and I was like, oh, I'm gonna murder-suicide my entire family. Because I am—this is not the environment where you should be trying to quit any type of addiction on a family vacation. So I immediately folded like a lawn chair…” (09:02)

• James (Mad Men):

  “According to Burt Cooper, cigarettes are a sign of weakness.” (10:56)

• Lawrence (on prepaying for made-to-order gear):

  “Good guy alert.” (13:23)

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• Fit Check & Garment Talk: 01:17–07:01
• Nicotine Anxiety/Quitting Zen Anecdote: 08:03–10:26
• Mad Men Rewatch, Show References & Smoking: 10:41–12:11
• James’ Fit Check & Custom Garments: 12:18–13:32

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Tone & Style

• Bawdy, confessional, and quick-witted.
• Comedy is rooted in self-deprecation, obscure fashion references, and mutual roast.
• The rapport is intentionally chaotic but always comes back to wardrobe, habits, and the absurdity of aging dirtbags in today’s culture.

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For Listeners New & Old

• If you love candid riffing about menswear, pop culture, and the struggle of self-improvement in middle age, this is pure Throwing Fits.
• You’ll get deep wardrobe analysis, admissions of very human flaws, and a peek into the inside jokes and ongoing struggles that define the TF extended universe.

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For more, the full episode is available exclusively on their Patreon at throwingfits.com.

Transcript

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[James Harris]

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[Lawrence Lawson]

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[James Harris]

With your parents.

Fits in with your boys. And what else? Some TV we've been watching, including a.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Mad men rewatch and some menswear talk as well. Hopefully.

[James Harris]

Possibly. Possibly. Let's get into a fit check.

[Lawrence Lawson]

No housekeeping, right?

[James Harris]

No.

[Lawrence Lawson]

When are we going to talk about our the schedule?

[James Harris]

What schedule?

[Lawrence Lawson]

The end of the year schedule.

[James Harris]

At the end of the year it's December 4th. Happy birthday, Jay Z.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Wait. Oh, wait, yeah, that's right.

[James Harris]

Yeah, I'm talking about having sex underneath like a sycamore tree or something on that song.

[Lawrence Lawson]

He was conceived on their sycamore tree. He gave her no pain during birth.

[James Harris]

Damn. What does that tell you?

[Lawrence Lawson]

Little ass baby. I guess. I don't know. J's mom was a. Whoa, bro.

[James Harris]

Yo, if you're the Illuminati and you're listening to this, only one of us said that. Lawrence, what are you wearing? I get sniped.

[Lawrence Lawson]

I'm wearing my final fit before I step out outside and get murdered by the Illuminati. Consists of old Prada hikers that were a grail of mine that I got through our good friend Luke Fraser.

[James Harris]

Seam on the toe.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

What do you call that? There's definitely a medical term for that.

[Lawrence Lawson]

It's called a split toe. Huh? The like style of like where it's sewn. It's a split toe shoe.

[James Harris]

The scrotal wraith. R A P H E. Oh the, the.

[Lawrence Lawson]

The spinal kind of ridge on your ball sack.

[James Harris]

The seam down the central center of your. Of your nuts is the scrotal wraith.

[Lawrence Lawson]

In footwear terms, just a split toe.

[James Harris]

That man's got the. The total wraith.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Scrotal on the totals.

[Lawrence Lawson]

I pull up in the scrotal wraith, dude.

Into the ball sack interior, dude. The socks are hicks. The jeans are your scroll rape is two toned. Yeah. Jeans are workshop. Our legacy workshop in poor money. I'm just thinking of balls, dude.

[James Harris]

I also watched the Diddy doc.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Yeah. The. What is it called? The Reckoning. Yeah. I haven't actually tapped in.

[James Harris]

We'll talk it. I added it to the running show for our TV corner.

[Lawrence Lawson]

The flannel is vintage A and F. The thermal is a collab. Another OL workshop collab with satisfy running. The hat is small talk studio and the leather jacket is a studio Nicholson piston jacket. This is an interesting phenomenon that I just want to get through real quick with this jacket that I've experienced and.

[James Harris]

I don't know if my John of the year last year.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Oh really?

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Lawrence Lawson]

We do have the same piston.

[James Harris]

My most wore. I think it was my most worn jacket slash John of the year of 2024.

[Lawrence Lawson]

It is fantastic and only got more fantastic in an interesting way. And I'm wondering if relate to this or the audience at home. Can you ever have like a. A clothing item that you love that's like nearly perfect but maybe it's like a little bit more oversized that you would like or you kind of didn't nail the sizing because you bought online or you're like between sizing you got fatter. So I got fat and now it's perfect and it's like the one it's like, the one silver lining to, like, being like, well, all this stuff that I love doesn't fit how I want it to, or I hate myself. But now the piston jacket dialed.

[James Harris]

You filled out.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Absolutely, dude.

[James Harris]

Or you just, like, layer if. Okay, if you don't want to get fat for the sake of fitting into your oversized clothes.

[Lawrence Lawson]

One. One piece of outerwear. Yeah.

[James Harris]

You can also just layer more underneath.

[Lawrence Lawson]

It was.

[James Harris]

Sometimes you want, like, outerwear that fits you a little big so that you can, like, like. Because that's not a cold weather jacket, you can. Well, not. Maybe not now, but you used to be able to fit a lot of underneath there.

[Lawrence Lawson]

When I saw you last night and I was wearing. I had a hoodie under it. So, like. Yeah, I could. I guess what I'm saying is.

[James Harris]

Yeah, last time was Brick City.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Yeah. No, what I'm. I guess my point is that, like, whether I'm skinny or fat, the layering is not the issue. Because I go. I guess the oversized silhouette. My thing is that when I would. I remember wearing it in Paris when we did, like, our live show with Gaultier, and I remember just wearing, like, a shirt over a shirt. Actually, you know what? I was doing the fucking explore page. I had the leather jacket over the shirt and tie.

[James Harris]

Remember?

[Lawrence Lawson]

You were like. You're like, oh, my God, I can't believe I need to eat lunch publicly with this guy. But I will say I was doing that before everyone fucking bit my shit. Yeah.

[James Harris]

Separate checks. Yeah.

[Lawrence Lawson]

You're, like, willing to not even put it on the table. ETF corporate card. I will say. I mean, that was before that became a thing. That's like a. It's such a thing now that we, like, memed it and went viral because everyone knows that guy who's like, yo, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. And I was doing it before you were doing it.

[James Harris]

Is it more embarrassing or is it, like, is it tougher? Is it. Is it more difficult to be the guy that is, like, starting the trend and you're ahead of the trend or to be the victim of the trend.

[Lawrence Lawson]

To be a sheep, to be, like.

[James Harris]

In the middle of the herd or to be like the lone wolf?

[Lawrence Lawson]

I. I just did it, cuz I was like, I like. I like the cold and I like a tie. Yeah. I was just like, what?

[James Harris]

Your flower ties?

[Lawrence Lawson]

What happened to those? Still got them all.

[James Harris]

Nice.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Yeah. Yeah, I definitely. I mean, I understand why people. Why. Why people are doing it. It became a trend because, like, I put that on. I was like, oh, little snazz. It's like you're not wearing a sport coat, but using the leather jacket as.

[James Harris]

Did you keep that leather? Because if you take that off, you're just a guy in a shirt and tie. So you got to keep the leather jacket on.

[Lawrence Lawson]

It stayed on for most of the trip, or that day at least. Yeah, but it was cold, so it was like. I think we like even. Didn't we eat outside? Even though. Because it was like in between. It was like. I don't remember. It's like it kind of fallish October. Yeah.

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[Lawrence Lawson]

V R I K.com the underwear are Hill City. Got some Zins left over from Mexico. Oh, here's something stupid that is not worthy of, like, a full breakdown. But I was like, yo, I'm going to be on vacation with my parents. Jenna wants me to quit Zen. Let me, let me.

[James Harris]

Like, why do you want to quit Zen?

[Lawrence Lawson]

Because she's a fucking bitch. No, her is your addiction.

[James Harris]

Are you going to lash out?

[Lawrence Lawson]

No, I think the main thing is that, like, it's clearly bad for you. And then the second where.

[James Harris]

Who says it's bad for you? I thought it's good for you. This is pure nicotine. It's no. No tar, no smoke, no chemicals.

[Lawrence Lawson]

It depends what kind of. It depends what. What science you follow. Like Tucker Carlson st. Science is that. Oh, the brain food. It's like, good for you. And then he says a lot of things, right? And then real science will be like, yo, this is like a bad for your heart and, you know, your blood flow and things like that. The. The secondary reason, which I'm actually starting to think is more important to her, is that we'll be like, having even just a conversation. And if she can, like, See, it. It, like, grosses her out and then gross. I, like. I think I might have said this on the show, but, like, one. One time, like, I was hooking up with my wife, and she, like, saw me, like, I was hooking up with my wife, and I, like. I was like, oh, one second. And she, like, saw me take it.

[James Harris]

Out, and she's like, mood killed.

[Lawrence Lawson]

So it could be a mood killer. Even though I'm like, it makes me feel good in my brain. In my dumb little brain. Feels firing. I'm vibrating.

[James Harris]

I wonder if it.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Well, I gotta tell the story real quick.

[James Harris]

Sorry.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Yeah. I'm like, all right.

[James Harris]

So I was hooking up with my.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Wife, normally, where I'm like, okay, I'm. Of course they sell Zin in Mexico like they do everywhere. But I was like, instead of, like, having to. Or if I go anywhere, I will. I'll bring this in with me so I don't even have to worry about it or be the guy who's like, I'll be right back. I'm gonna go on a mission to get nicotine. Right? I'm like, I'll usually take it with me because of all the circumstances around my wife wanting me to quit and then being with my parents. I was like, you know what? Let me bring what I have left at home. Half of a tin, and I'll run out on vacation, and that'll start, like, the quitting process. And I maybe got, like, half a day into that, and I was like, oh, I'm gonna murder suicide my entire family. Because I am. This is not the environment where you should be trying to, like, quit any type of addiction on a family vacation. So I immediately fucking folded like a lawn chair and got just, like, normals in. Of course they have it in Mexico.

[James Harris]

And these milligrams.

[Lawrence Lawson]

It's just so one thing I did. I don't know if people want to hear this every week, but. Or we talk about a lot, but I've weaned myself down to, like, just six.

[James Harris]

Just six.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Yeah. And maybe I'll have to wean myself down to three and then quit, but.

[James Harris]

Look, man, I know you knew you did a madman rewatch a few months ago, and I'm. I just started one myself now that they're on HBO Max. Or just hbo or just Max. I don't know.

[Lawrence Lawson]

I think it's. I think it's HBO Max again. And it's 4K, the 4K restoration.

[James Harris]

You know, according to Burt Cooper, cigarettes are a sign of weakness.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Oh, yeah.

[James Harris]

When Hitler had Nelson Chamberlain. I think that's his name. At some, like, meeting or whatever, he had a no smoking policy. And Chamberlain, after, like, an hour and a half, was feeding for cigarettes so bad that he would have given Hitler, like, all of Europe just to get the out of there. So he goes light up.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Is that because.

[James Harris]

Sounds like you.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Because truly, because of Bert Cooper's affinity for Eastern cultures. Is that, like, a thing? Was. I mean, was smoking in Japan huge?

[James Harris]

Yes.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Back then as well.

[James Harris]

Yes.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Okay, that's weird that then Bert would be like, so. Because he's like, he was obsessed with Japanese culture in the show, right?

[James Harris]

Yeah. But I don't think that's the entirety of his identity. I think he's like, smoking's gross. It bothers me.

[Lawrence Lawson]

I thought that was like. I always read it as that was like his entire identity, which was very funny. Because he was like the Ogotaku.

[James Harris]

No, because he's also. Yeah, that's true. He's. But he was also like a wasp. He's like, oh, I'll see him on the docks at fire at Shelter Island.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Oh, I met John F. Kennedy.

[Lawrence Lawson]

And also, I guess his entire identity is that he's.

But don't remember. He has no balls.

[James Harris]

Dude, spoiler.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Oh, that you. We're not. Can't spoil Mad Men. Also, we're about to talk about the show at length, I'm sure. Yeah.

[James Harris]

If you're watching it. Okay, so you. So you weren't able to. So you lasted an hour and a half.

[Lawrence Lawson]

No, I have to. A day.

[James Harris]

Maybe half a day.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

All right.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Yeah. What am I wearing?

[James Harris]

I'm wearing our Legacy 10 pin shoes. We keep it 10 pins down the two tones. I forgot I had these. The socks are Nike Drifties. The pants, the jeans are vintage Levi's silver tab. 20 bucks on eBay.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Look at that.

[James Harris]

Of course, pleated.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Not the price of this flannel, if not even less.

[James Harris]

Worm to the Levi's party last night. The T shirt is. Got G. G Alve. Guy Harvey, A little French brand called Guy Harvey. Then the long sleeve over that, I'm layered up like a. Today. The long sleeve over that is a new piece I just picked up from Stofa. They had this in the early fall, like six weeks, two months ago. Yeah, but they had in the colored in. They didn't have this color. It's like kind of like dark gray. You know, I'm a Grazman.

[Lawrence Lawson]

I love a great T shirt or whatever.

[James Harris]

So they had to. And they'll do this ready one. It's not just for little Jimmy over here. They had to make it.

[Lawrence Lawson]

You put an order, you got it made to order?

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Lawrence Lawson]

When did you pay? Upon delivery or do you have to pay to get it made? I'm just curious.

[James Harris]

I think I paid upfront.

[Lawrence Lawson]

Gotcha, Good guy.

[James Harris]

What do you mean good guy?

[Lawrence Lawson]

Good guy alert.

Yo. Let me put that Good guy alert.

[James Harris]

Put that stove on layaway.

[Lawrence Lawson]

I mean, you wouldn't be the first, bro.

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