*PATREON PREVIEW* Menswear's Affordability Crisis

Summary

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Throwing Fits – PATREON PREVIEW: Menswear's Affordability Crisis

Date: December 12, 2025
Hosts: Lawrence Schlossman & James Harris

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the growing crisis of affordability in menswear. Lawrence and James set the table for an in-depth, candid discussion about the disappearance of the 'menswear middle class,' reflecting on personal experiences, brand favorites, shifting price points, and what’s being lost as the industry polarizes between luxury and fast fashion. Amid the signature banter, they touch on dependable brands, closet organization, and stories from their own sartorial journeys.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Announcement Teasers and New Segments

• [01:33] The 2025 Fitties & The Incarceration Corner
  • Lawrence: “Before we get into menswear’s affordability crisis, the 2025 fitties are kicking off, and introducing a new segment, the incarceration corner.”
  • James: “Jesus Christ.”
  • Adds a playful and irreverent tone right off the bat.

2. Fit Check: What the Boys Are Wearing

• Lengthy, detailed fit checks showcase a mix of high-low dressing, brand loyalty, and practical considerations.
• Lawrence's Fit ([01:50])
  • Scarpa Mojitos: “An Italian brand named after a Cuban drink.”
  • Carhartt vintage double-knee pants, Hanes beater, Add-Som quarter zip (“makes me feel a little James Bond, honestly”), cap by Press a Bootleg via Venspace, underwear by Skims, puffer from Austrian climbing brand.
  • On Add-Som: “It’s not flashy, so it won’t necessarily cut through the noise...but that’s because it’s just focused on goodness.” ([03:28] - Lawrence)
  • On Scarpa: “It’s real clothes like that for real people to wear.” ([03:48])
• James's Fit ([06:06])
  • ROA Silver Surfers (“Inspired to pull these out based off the Alexi Workshop ROA collab that just dropped today”), Nike Drifities socks, 316 x Throwing Fits collab jeans, Lauren Manoogian shirt, Orley hoodie (“duck canvas, faded burgundy—or is this pink?”), S.S. Nicholson x Aaron Levine jacket, hat from Sushi Cop Sydney, Echoes Lada sunglasses (“As always, I don’t know where they are”), Topo Chico hydration.
  • On ROAs: “Some people say ROAs are not comfortable. And I gotta highly disagree.” ([09:14] - James)
  • Closet shoe organization: “The best shopping you can ever do is your own closet.” ([08:17])
  • Color debate: “You can call it faded burgundy like our friends at Orley. But you’re wearing a pink, pink jacket.” ([11:21] - Lawrence)

3. Menswear’s Vanishing Middle Class

• [03:48] The hosts flag that labels like Add-Som exemplify the dependable but non-splashy brands fading from public conversation as menswear's “middle class” vanishes.
• “Add-Som...Steady Eddie. It’s always going to be there. It’s always affordable...you forget about it because it’s there in a good way.” ([03:48] - Lawrence)
• Implied that the lack of flashy marketing or influencer hype makes these brands less visible but indispensable for day-to-day wear.

4. Brand and Product Loyalty

• Both hosts discuss how their everyday favorites aren’t necessarily the buzziest or most hyped but provide value, fit, and a sense of reliability.
• “It's real clothes...for real people to wear.” ([03:48] - Lawrence)

5. Closet & Shoe Storage Strategies

• [07:40]–[09:14] They compare notes on how they store and organize their shoe collections—themes include limitations of New York apartments, “out of sight, out of foot,” and theft stories.
• Lawrence notes, “If I don’t see them, I forget about them.” ([08:13])
• James affirms, “The best shopping you can ever do is your own closet.” ([08:17])
• Story about theft: “I got a bunch of stolen [shoes] including a bunch of ROA slip-ons.”

6. Comfort & Practicality Debates

• [09:14]–[09:47] Offer disagreement with a mutual friend’s take that ROA shoes are uncomfortable, with consensus that city biking and day-to-day wear prove otherwise.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Add-Som:
  “It’s not flashy…so it won’t necessarily cut through the noise…but that’s because it’s just focused on like, goodness.” – Lawrence ([03:28])
• On Missing Menswear’s Middle:
  “Add-Som...Steady Eddie—it’s always going to be there, always affordable.” – Lawrence ([03:48])
• On Closet Shopping:
  “The best shopping you can ever do is your own closet.” – James ([08:17])
• On ROA Comfort:
  “Some people say ROAs are not comfortable. And I gotta highly disagree.” – James ([09:14])
• Color Debate:
  “You can call it faded burgundy...but you’re wearing a pink, pink jacket.” – Lawrence ([11:21])
• Genre Theory:
  “If James Bond was going on a little covert operative outing, this would be like a potential option...the fact that it’s a tactical turtleneck in and of itself is genre-spy.” – Lawrence ([04:33])

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:33: Introduction to the episode’s main theme (menswear affordability crisis)
• 01:47–06:00: Detailed fit check and discussion of everyday staples
• 03:48: First mention of menswear’s disappearing “middle class” segment
• 07:40–09:14: Closet organization strategies and discussions
• 09:14: ROA comfort debate and personal wear stories
• 11:21: Color debate on “faded burgundy” vs. “pink”
• 12:06: Fit check complete; general camaraderie and sign-off to the main content

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Overall Tone & Style

The Throwing Fits vibe is sharp-witted, self-aware, irreverent, and deeply knowledgeable about menswear, streetwear, and the culture around it. The hosts’ banter is filled with playful roasting, asides, and self-deprecating humor, making this “affordability crisis” episode both informative and true to the show’s character: a blend of insider insight and relatable real talk about the realities of getting dressed in 2025.

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

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I'll say this before we get into menswear's affordability crisis. The 2025 fitties are kicking off.

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Hell, yeah.

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And introducing a new segment, the incarceration corner.

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Jesus Christ.

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There's a lot happening in the. You know, incarceration up.

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They won't let me live.

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Let's get into a fit check.

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Okay. On the feet. I am wearing Scarpa Mojitos, an Italian brand that named the shoe after a Cuban drink.

[C]

Wait, that's not a Scarpa collab. You're actually wearing Scarpas. Where do you get those?

[B]

From the Scarpa website.

[C]

Like that's crazy.

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Like a year ago, I wrote a whole article on a previous podcast hosting website.

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Available. Available on our Patreon that.

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Oh yeah, the whole archive is on the Patreon. I wrote an article that you can find on Patreon from like a year ago about how approach shoes were bubbling, which I think I was born out correct, as I typically am. And these were the pair that I went with. Just a classic approach shoe.

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Scar.

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Scarpa.

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Some Scarpa. If you ever approach the actual thing that approach you guys are approaching, you can wear my Scarpa climbing shoes.

[B]

Are they good?

[C]

Well, they're really small.

[B]

Right? That's as climbing shoes are supposed to be, right? Yeah, you're.

[C]

You have like. Like talons. Like ballet feet. Yeah, like foot bounce, foot binding.

[B]

Do you own any approach shoes? Cause I know you climb and you climbed indoors. No. No. Okay, well, anyway, I recommend. I recommend Scarpa. They're very comfortable. Okay. Moving on up. The socks are scenes. The vintage double knees are car heart. The beater is Hanes. The quarter zip. Today is. Add some. It kind of is like, makes me feel a little James Bond, honestly. You got the little like tactical nylon detail here. A more athletic fit. I like it, dude. I feel. Feel dangerous, feel handsome. I feel sexy. So thank you to my friends at Adsom for making me feel that way. I appreciate you guys. Yeah, the.

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Add some.

[B]

Yep.

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It's one of those brands that I think, like, I'm not gonna say it flies under the radar, but it is like it's consistency. It's not its own worst enemy, but that is its greatest strength. But also it's like, yeah, it's not flashy, so it won't necessarily like, cut through the noise or make splashy headlines or whatever, but that's because it's just focused on like, goodness.

[B]

Yeah. I think we're going to talk about the disappearance of the menswear middle class. Add some fucking, you know, Steady Eddie. It's always going to be there. It's always affordable. I know we're both big fans. It's a thing that, like you said, you forget about it because it's there in a good way. Like it's reliable. It's. It's real close like that for real people to wear. Yeah.

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If you want to feel like James Bond.

[B]

Yes, exactly. The.

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Was that.

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What do you mean?

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I feel like Daniel Craig. Josh o'. Connor.

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No, I. Well, I feel like.

[C]

Or skepta.

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I feel like D. Craig era James Bond a little bit.

[C]

Because the big. The big rib neck. I. I mean, I I like it. It's not. I don't. I'm trying to see where you're getting the James. The Jay. Busy from.

[B]

I could see that, like, if James Bond was going on a little, like, covert operative outing, this would be, like, a potential option, you know? Again, the nylon. The fact that it's a tactical turtleneck in and of itself.

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Right.

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Is a genre spy. The ex. Dude, I really do. Secret agent Man. That. They don't.

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Isn't James Vaughn a cop?

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I think he's a police officer.

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You're a spook.

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He's a spook. He's a troop. He's a. An intelligence agent for the state.

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You're the police.

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Foreign.

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Yeah, the hat is. I mean, honestly, you know, who needed that foreign intelligence? Jeremy O. Harris. He was out of his depth. We'll talk about it. The. Okay, I guess that wasn't funny. The. The hat is a Press a. What is it called? Bootleg by Venspace. The underwear are skims, and the pissy puffer is Austria. Another climbing brand for a guy that does absolutely. Honestly. Not even just climbing. No approaching either. Just not approach. Maybe approaching death slowly, but that's about it.

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You climb. Climb mountains every day.

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B. In my mind.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Okay. What did you wear today?

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Hey, I'm also wearing some Alpine. The roas. The Silver Surfers on the feet with the clear white sole. Inspired to pull these out based off the Alexi Workshop RO collab that just dropped today. I loved the drummer video.

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Yeah.

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You know, a little animal from Supreme.

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The King. Yeah.

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Call him Kyle Rittenhouse. How he's shooting all these skaters. These socks are Nike drifties.

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Oh, shit. Kyle Rittenhouse did shoot a guy on a skateboard. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck.

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He was.

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I don't know if he got Sodi, but he got a cover.

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He deserves Sodi.

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All right. Shout out. Shout out our legacy. Yeah, I have the first workshop collab that they did. I don't wear my knife. You know, you have, you all your shoes are on a shoe rack in a closet, right? No. Okay, so this is my problem. I have my shoe racks, but I have the, the real estate. It's overflow now. So like those, those boots in this case specifically are like hidden behind stuff. And I always, because I don't see them, I forget about them.

[C]

Out of sight, out of foot.

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That's the problem, dude. So I gotta bring those back out. Maybe I'll wear them next week.

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The best shopping you can never do is your own closet.

[B]

Absolutely, guys. Absolutely.

[C]

Yeah. I think I've three or four shoe areas in the crib. It's a bit much.

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Is it? Is it like teared out like all the bits.

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Wait, I have the shoe closet, right when I wore a Carhartt and did some DIY home.

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Yeah.

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I have the shoe rack that. The Yamazaki shoe rack that was in the hallway. But then I got a bunch of stolen including a bunch of a pair of row of slip ons. That's true. I remember that. Into the closet.

[B]

Crime of the century.

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I got some like cubbies in the. In the front like coat closet where these are. And then I have just like an area in front of the door where a bunch of shoes sit. And they have my tennis shoes near like all my tennis.

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I'm not teared out, but I'm themed out. So like the boots typically are in one area. Sneakers kind of like speaking to out of sight, out of mind because they really never get worn. I'm surprised I remember to bust these out today. But I kind of like do it by category or I try to. You know. Clearly it's not working because forgot That I even had the fucking OGOL roas.

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Some people say roas are not comfortable. And I. I gotta highly disagree. Climbing. I remember when they first dropped someone at your bachelor party was like, yo, Rose are so uncomfortable, dog. Really? Yeah. I'm not gonna say who I wanted wrong.

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I want to know. Off, off, off, Mike, man.

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Art is Brian Trunzo. And I was like, oh, damn. Okay. I guess I'm not gonna buy. And then lo and behold, I will. I mean I'm not climbing mountains, but I am city biking like a over the bridge in these and yo, best new song to bike to.

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I gotta Jeff get this playlist going. Oh, is it Nine Inch Nails dude or Trend?

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The Tron Airy soundtrack is so good.

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As I was. As I was saying.

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Yeah.

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When you were biking or just listening to it.

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Walking.

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Okay.

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Approaching the studio.

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Best new song to bike over the bridge to. It's not a new song, but Daft Punk. Contact. Oh my. It's like a six minute build.

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Do you not normally listen to Daft Punk? I thought you're Jimmy Electronica these days. So at least you were this past.

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I'm saying this one song.

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Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The pants are 316. Throwing fits.

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Oh, wow. The big gene.

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One of the rare good collabs past few years.

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We'll talk about the market correction shirt.

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The asymmetrical seam is from Lauren Manu. They just actually properly launched their menswear.

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Congratulations.

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Yeah. The hoodie is orally. Bit of a mix up between us, but I ended up with this. The duck blouse, the duck canvas.

[B]

Honestly, like there's no amount of money that you guys could put. Could pay me to show you what a I look like wearing the orally hoodie that I. That I ordered in the biggest size that. It ain't happening, folks. Yeah, I may look like James Bond. I may fucking move like him. Be, you know, deadly with the. With the way I move my body. But put this on. Fat guy in a little coat fully terrible. My man's day ruining.

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My man's got the PP4.

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Yeah, I got it.

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Oh, quack quack. In the duck canvas, the faded burgundy. And I like, I thought it is this pink or faded burgundy.

[B]

1000% pink. You can call it faded burgundy like our friends at Orly. But you're wearing a pink, pink jacket.

[C]

It does look like just like a wine stain on like a white tee.

[B]

Yeah, I mean it's a. It's faded pink if you want to like really get into it. But it. But don't lie to yourself. That's pink.

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Okay.

[B]

And it looks. And it looks great. And I'm happy that I could swap with you and get it. Get something out of this.

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Yeah. Thank you, dog. And then the jacket over that was student Nicholson Aaron Levine.

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Oh, that's what that is.

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Yeah.

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No, well, I mean, here's the thing.

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It's not Zara.

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I was gonna say he's made this jacket with five different people, himself included maybe, but. So this is. This is the best version, I think. Well, in my opinion.

[C]

Yeah, I guess so. It's oversized. It's got the big fat leather collar.

[B]

Leather trim.

[C]

Yeah. All right.

[B]

Hell yeah.

[C]

And oh, the hat is sushi Cop this in Sydney, Australia. The sunglasses, where are they?

[B]

Juicy Sushi.

[C]

I don't know where they are. Echoes Lada.

[B]

Oh yeah, somebody's.

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As always, I don't know where they are. And then sipping on a topo chico, a hydro flask or site's finest. And the Kieran. Each ones are for later.

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Yes, sir.

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Is the season. Oh, boxes are Hanes and complete fit check.

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