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[00:00]
A
Welcome to another midweek, boys only around and getting Silly Billy with Jimmy and Larry. After a delightful hour and a half or so with Sebastian Jean, our Haitian Brooklyn homie.
[00:13]
B
Do you think he falls into this category that we talk about a lot on the show of like, guys behind the guy and like the industry people that were like, you know, they. They're not only they're great people and insightful, but like, their personal style, to use that fucking, you know, dirty term is like unreal. And that's who you should be like, looking to, assuming they're surfaced for you.
[00:33]
A
Let's unpack that after fit check. But what is personal style? Lawrence?
[00:39]
B
It's a dirty. It's.
[00:40]
A
Chuck put a green screen behind Lawrence and let it end as he talks to Cameron.
[00:43]
B
Explains what personal style is a dirty little word. Okay, I'm wearing Colbo Sperry boat shoes. These are the OG friends and family ones, though. The new drop with the linen joints. Very good. I got to not get them because you have them. What are the other. They did leather again. Do you know what the spread is?
[01:02]
A
There's three this time. There's the linen ones that I got, which if I cut the side laces, the 360s would the front lacing that you need to like, close the shoe, which I don't. I guess you don't actually need because you just slip them on. Would those. Would that just fall apart?
[01:15]
B
I am almost 100% positive know that this 360 lacing is completely performative these days. Okay, wait. Actually, no, no, no, no. I have to come. No. Nah. Yeah, you can't do it.
[01:24]
A
So. So if this. This pulls on here. But does. And this pulls on here, right? Does it?
[01:30]
B
I don't know, dude. Yeah, I used to.
[01:31]
A
And then. No, no, it does. And then. Okay, so now flip your. Flip your foot over. Does this attach to this? Let's see.
[01:38]
B
Since now you just up my shoes. I don't know, dude. I. I thought, you know, pull, pull, pull, pull. Until right now I literally thought that the. They were totally.
[01:48]
A
Take the laces out. Take them fully out.
[01:50]
B
See, Look.
[01:51]
A
No, take them fully out, bro.
[01:52]
B
What?
[01:52]
A
You can re release them. No, you can't.
[01:54]
B
What am I going to thread them? I'm going to thread these through, bro. Come on.
[01:57]
A
You put. You tie them to a little hook.
[01:59]
B
All right, well then you. Now I'm annoyed because here. Now he just up my shoes.
[02:04]
A
No, I didn't look at that. Oh, Jesus Christ.
[02:06]
B
You baby.
[02:08]
A
There, there. Good. It's like you got to wear your boat Shoes like you like you don't wear your tims. Unlace them.
[02:14]
B
Lace the boat shoes like they're stolen.
[02:17]
A
Lace my boat shoes like at least my tin.
[02:18]
B
I literally until right now just assumed it performative and that like Sperry wasn't like really about that life like they used to be. It looks like these actually are 360 degree lace. So to your point, if you cut them to take out the. The visible lacing on the side, I think you will now just have a pair of shoes that. But then you could just put your own laces in and just do it in the front. Actually. Yeah.
[02:39]
A
You could do it like a mew mew. I might just.
[02:41]
B
You don't. But you want the hole. You want empty holes.
[02:43]
A
I might just rip the lacing out because. And then just use them as like slip ons.
[02:46]
B
Oh yeah. And. And what's so great about these? All crushable.
[02:50]
A
Yeah.
[02:51]
B
Online. Okay, so those are the. That's the Kobo Sperry difference. The socks are Uniqlo. The fatigues are Generica. The brand formerly known as Jean Erica on this podcast, wrongly. The beater is Hanes. The flannel is a vintage Big Mac FL.
[03:11]
A
A little sneak peek at Fall Larry. Fall 26 Larry. Yeah, this is going to be the Lacoste Polo of September.
[03:17]
B
October, November, shaping up to be that I. This is one of the. Well, a lot of. Of ventilation, hence the beater on this one. I think I'm going to get my Taylor or have my tailor repair some of this. But this one is pretty washed and pretty light so that this might only make it into September. They're different, they're varying thicknesses because they're all vintage. But yes, I did buy a ton of these.
[03:38]
A
All I'm saying is that when I saw there was going to be like below 90 today, I'm like, yes. Pants.
[03:43]
B
Yeah. I mean and a shirt. Same.
[03:45]
A
I mean pants and a shirt.
[03:46]
B
Short sleeve.
[03:47]
A
Yeah, but not versus shorts and a tee.
[03:49]
B
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. The hat.
[03:52]
A
Something besides sneakers, shorts and tea weather.
[03:54]
B
Right, right, right. Let's go. The. I know.
[03:57]
A
We're so.
[03:57]
B
We're so bad guys. Yeah. When. I don't know when you're going to hear this, but at least when we're recording it. Today is great.
[04:03]
A
Right now. It is like the date or the temperature. 81 degree feels like 80.
[04:09]
B
It feels. It's. It's a nice breezy 80. I mean we're so. This is how. This is Stockholm syndrome, dude. We're so up with this. With these heat waves that today is like, oh my God, what a moderate temperature.
[04:20]
A
Paris fundamentally altered my physiological internal core temperature.
[04:24]
B
You will never be the same Paris.
[04:26]
A
And then straight into New York. So I'm 80 degrees. Is like. It's a bit chilly.
[04:30]
B
Born of a broken man over here.
[04:32]
A
Plus I'm going to the Odyssey afterwards, so I'm like, all right. Cold movie theater.
[04:35]
B
Oh, I'm happy that we got that sorted. You flip ticks with someone?
[04:38]
A
No, I just got a. Got a refund and then no, I'm just going to sit in the third row so I'm close to the screen.
[04:46]
B
What do you think? Like, whatever. We'll probably talk about this on the show, I would imagine.
[04:49]
A
Sorry.
[04:50]
B
The hat is bootleg presse from a shop that Sebastian mentioned in Carol Gardens called Venn Space. Maybe you heard of it. I think they're about to blow up.
[04:59]
A
I gotta go back. I haven't been there a minute.
[05:01]
B
They're about to blow up. So far, the draws are.
[05:04]
A
I'm not a guy that works at
[05:05]
B
a marketing agency or that has a kid. I feel like, like the. I wonder how. What percentage of their customers are dads?
[05:14]
A
Probably pretty high.
[05:15]
B
Yeah.
[05:15]
A
Yeah. But that's not true. I've been in there.
[05:17]
B
No.
[05:17]
A
A few times I've been there. There's been a lot of kids. It's a destination shop.
[05:20]
B
My favorite Ven. Space shopper.
[05:22]
A
It's like the Dover Tree. Dover street of Brooklyn.
[05:24]
B
Yeah. The. There. There's a specific type of vents based shopper. And this is my favorite. It's the. The young man trying on power boots to get his sizing so he can buy them on ebay. That's my favorite. I, I shit you not. I've seen a handful of those size the fuck down. The underwear are not Brady brand. That's crazy. By the way. I've never, I have never interfaced with anyone who wears Brady brand besides you. When I think you. We contractually were obligated to wear whatever that was. It doesn't exist anymore.
[05:56]
A
Yeah. Rip my busy wrestling and with Alex Earl Console wrestling.
[06:02]
B
He's. I mean Porto is even like, yo wash. My go is washed. I mean that's what happens to all goats. As we've established. The underwear are.
[06:09]
A
You know, that is. It's the TF curse.
[06:12]
B
What do you. In what way. What are you doing? Trying to see what kind of underwear I'm wearing. Oh, Uniqlo underwear. James, what are you wearing today?
[06:21]
A
The little piggies are my brand new. Our legacy Ginza loafers with some toe cleavage. Peeking out the front.
[06:29]
B
Yeah. Like a very, very demure toe cleavage.
[06:32]
A
Yeah. It's like a geisha.
[06:33]
B
Yeah.
[06:35]
A
Not gonna lie, A little tough to walk. And I think with the socks, I think you need some internal grip that the socks do not provide. And I don't have. I don't own any grippy socks. I've never been committed to the psych ward. Not a, like pervert.
[06:45]
B
Right.
[06:47]
A
The socks are.
[06:48]
B
By the way, if. If there are people that listening that have been committed, it wasn't just cuz they're perverts.
[06:52]
A
No, I'm. I have not been committed, nor am I a per.
[06:55]
B
Oh, for sex.
[06:56]
A
Right.
[06:57]
B
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
[06:58]
A
The socks are bomba socks. Pants are super flared. A micro cord from second layer. These are one of the two pairs that got hemmed in Paris.
[07:06]
B
Nice.
[07:07]
A
Shout out the boys. Shout out these pants. They're delicious. The shirt is orally tropical wool. Even though it's 80 degrees out, still super breathable and nice and crispy in the heat.
[07:19]
B
Speaking of augmenting and laces, I thought you were going to pull out the drawstring.
[07:22]
A
Oh, I forgot.
[07:23]
B
Well, you can't. I can only tell because I'm. You're sitting across from me and I'm just. I'm staring at your crotch.
[07:28]
A
Shall I tie them?
[07:29]
B
No, no, no. I. No, I. I don't know what I. What I think we talked. When we talked about this last, I was saying what a styling maneuver you could do, which would be, I think a bit performative, is you could cinch that and then like flip it over and give it the il of being tucked now if you cinch it enough. Yeah, exactly like, you know, that doesn't. Doesn't feel very. Jimmy?
[07:48]
A
No, thank you.
[07:49]
B
Yeah. Doesn't.
[07:50]
A
Not interested. I was gonna say maybe now my shirts fall up.
[07:52]
B
Well, you did it to yourself at least.

Summary4 min read

Throwing Fits: "PREVIEW | Thought Exercises on Influence and Popularity"

Hosts: Jimmy & Larry
Release Date: July 29, 2026

Episode Overview

In this midweek “boys only” episode, Jimmy and Larry unwind after an interview with Sebastian Jean. They riff on personal style, weather-induced wardrobe changes, New York shopping destinations, and the function (or lack thereof) behind certain menswear details. The banter is loose, observational, and very much about the daily minutiae of living stylishly (but realistically) in Brooklyn. This preview is a slice-of-life, fashion-forward hangout, packed with humor and sincere takes on clothing, culture, and the ever-elusive idea of “personal style.”

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kicking Off: Sebastian Jean and the "Guy Behind the Guy" Phenomenon (00:13–00:33)

Larry (B): Wonders if Sebastian Jean is one of those "guys behind the guy"—the stylish, insightful industry insiders you should be watching, even if they're not front-facing.
Jimmy (A): Agrees and suggests revisiting this idea after their signature "fit check."

2. Fit Check: Menswear Micro-Analysis (00:33–07:52)

The duo meticulously breaks down what each is wearing, discussing function, style logic, and their sartorial quirks.

Larry’s Fit (B):

Boat shoes by Colbo x Sperry—friends & family linen edition
Uniqlo socks
"Generica" (formerly Jean Erica) fatigues
Hanes beater
Vintage Big Mac FL flannel—“a little sneak peek at Fall Larry, Fall 26 Larry”
Bootleg presse hat from Venn Space (local shop)
Underwear: Uniqlo (“Never met anyone who wears Brady brand except you!”)

Memorable Moment:
A deep-dive (and minor disagreement) over the actual function of the “360-degree” lacing on Sperry boat shoes:

Larry: “I literally until right now just assumed it’s performative and that, like, Sperry wasn’t really about that life like they used to be. It looks like these actually are 360-degree lace.” (02:18)
Jimmy: Suggests removing side lacing for slip-on comfort.

Jimmy’s Fit (A):

Our Legacy Ginza loafers—“brand new,” with “demure toe cleavage”
Bombas socks
Super-flared, micro-cord pants from Second Layer—“one of two pairs hemmed in Paris”
Orslow tropical wool shirt—breathable even in heat

Key Detail:
Struggles with the loafers' grip, musing about psych ward ‘grippy’ socks and vouches for the tailoring done in Paris.

Humorous Sidebar:
The duo jokes about wearing boat shoes like Timbs—“Unlace them... Lace the boat shoes like they’re stolen.” (02:13–02:16)

3. Shop & Scene Talk: Venn Space as Brooklyn’s "Dover Street" (04:45–05:24)

Venn Space: Larry sports a bootleg presse hat from this Carroll Gardens shop, noted by Sebastian. The hosts speculate about its impending hype and diverse clientele.
- Larry: “There’s a specific type of Venn Space shopper… the young man trying on power boots to get his sizing so he can buy them on eBay. That’s my favorite.” (05:24)
- Jimmy: Compares it to Dover Street Market, emphasizing its status as a destination.

4. Weather and the Ritual of Fall Wardrobe Transition (03:10–03:46)

Jimmy relishes the first sub-90ºF day, letting him wear pants and a shirt rather than shorts and tees.
- Jimmy: “When I saw there was gonna be like below 90 today, I’m like, yes. Pants.” (03:37)
They lament heat waves and joke about how European trips (Paris) have “fundamentally altered” their heat tolerance.
- Larry: “Paris fundamentally altered my physiological internal core temperature.” (04:19)

5. Wardrobe Functionality & Performative Styling (02:18–03:10, 07:18–07:52)

The pair debates performative versus practical details—like Sperry’s 360 lacing or drawstring/waist ties in pants.
- Larry: “What a styling maneuver you could do, which would be… you could cinch that [waist drawstring] and then flip it over and give it the illusion of being tucked…” (07:29)
- Jimmy: Not interested, preferring utility over unnecessary flair.

Notable Quotes

Larry:
- “I literally until right now just assumed it’s performative and that, like, Sperry wasn’t really about that life like they used to be. It looks like these actually are 360-degree lace.” (02:18)
- “There’s a specific type of Venn Space shopper… the young man trying on power boots to get his sizing so he can buy them on eBay. That’s my favorite.” (05:24)
Jimmy:
- “When I saw there was gonna be like below 90 today, I’m like, yes. Pants.” (03:37)
- “Paris fundamentally altered my physiological internal core temperature.” (04:19)

Timestamps for Important Segments

00:13 — “Guys behind the guy” in fashion (Sebastian Jean discussion)
00:33–02:03 — Sperry boat shoes: function vs form debate
03:10–03:46 — Weather as trigger for wardrobe change
04:45–05:24 — Venn Space: the next Dover Street Market?
07:18–07:52 — Drawstring pants and performative styling

Tone and Takeaways

The episode is classic Throwing Fits—irreverent but sincere, detail-obsessed but never precious, with an undercurrent of self-deprecation and humor about fashion’s many little performances. Perfect for listeners who love granular menswear chat, insider NYC shopping recs, and the authentic camaraderie between two hosts navigating style and life together.

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[00:00]
A
Welcome to another midweek, boys only around and getting Silly Billy with Jimmy and Larry. After a delightful hour and a half or so with Sebastian Jean, our Haitian Brooklyn homie.
[00:13]
B
Do you think he falls into this category that we talk about a lot on the show of like, guys behind the guy and like the industry people that were like, you know, they. They're not only they're great people and insightful, but like, their personal style, to use that fucking, you know, dirty term is like unreal. And that's who you should be like, looking to, assuming they're surfaced for you.
[00:33]
A
Let's unpack that after fit check. But what is personal style? Lawrence?
[00:39]
B
It's a dirty. It's.
[00:40]
A
Chuck put a green screen behind Lawrence and let it end as he talks to Cameron.
[00:43]
B
Explains what personal style is a dirty little word. Okay, I'm wearing Colbo Sperry boat shoes. These are the OG friends and family ones, though. The new drop with the linen joints. Very good. I got to not get them because you have them. What are the other. They did leather again. Do you know what the spread is?
[01:02]
A
There's three this time. There's the linen ones that I got, which if I cut the side laces, the 360s would the front lacing that you need to like, close the shoe, which I don't. I guess you don't actually need because you just slip them on. Would those. Would that just fall apart?
[01:15]
B
I am almost 100% positive know that this 360 lacing is completely performative these days. Okay, wait. Actually, no, no, no, no. I have to come. No. Nah. Yeah, you can't do it.
[01:24]
A
So. So if this. This pulls on here. But does. And this pulls on here, right? Does it?
[01:30]
B
I don't know, dude. Yeah, I used to.
[01:31]
A
And then. No, no, it does. And then. Okay, so now flip your. Flip your foot over. Does this attach to this? Let's see.
[01:38]
B
Since now you just up my shoes. I don't know, dude. I. I thought, you know, pull, pull, pull, pull. Until right now I literally thought that the. They were totally.
[01:48]
A
Take the laces out. Take them fully out.
[01:50]
B
See, Look.
[01:51]
A
No, take them fully out, bro.
[01:52]
B
What?
[01:52]
A
You can re release them. No, you can't.
[01:54]
B
What am I going to thread them? I'm going to thread these through, bro. Come on.
[01:57]
A
You put. You tie them to a little hook.
[01:59]
B
All right, well then you. Now I'm annoyed because here. Now he just up my shoes.
[02:04]
A
No, I didn't look at that. Oh, Jesus Christ.
[02:06]
B
You baby.
[02:08]
A
There, there. Good. It's like you got to wear your boat Shoes like you like you don't wear your tims. Unlace them.
[02:14]
B
Lace the boat shoes like they're stolen.
[02:17]
A
Lace my boat shoes like at least my tin.
[02:18]
B
I literally until right now just assumed it performative and that like Sperry wasn't like really about that life like they used to be. It looks like these actually are 360 degree lace. So to your point, if you cut them to take out the. The visible lacing on the side, I think you will now just have a pair of shoes that. But then you could just put your own laces in and just do it in the front. Actually. Yeah.
[02:39]
A
You could do it like a mew mew. I might just.
[02:41]
B
You don't. But you want the hole. You want empty holes.
[02:43]
A
I might just rip the lacing out because. And then just use them as like slip ons.
[02:46]
B
Oh yeah. And. And what's so great about these? All crushable.
[02:50]
A
Yeah.
[02:51]
B
Online. Okay, so those are the. That's the Kobo Sperry difference. The socks are Uniqlo. The fatigues are Generica. The brand formerly known as Jean Erica on this podcast, wrongly. The beater is Hanes. The flannel is a vintage Big Mac FL.
[03:11]
A
A little sneak peek at Fall Larry. Fall 26 Larry. Yeah, this is going to be the Lacoste Polo of September.
[03:17]
B
October, November, shaping up to be that I. This is one of the. Well, a lot of. Of ventilation, hence the beater on this one. I think I'm going to get my Taylor or have my tailor repair some of this. But this one is pretty washed and pretty light so that this might only make it into September. They're different, they're varying thicknesses because they're all vintage. But yes, I did buy a ton of these.
[03:38]
A
All I'm saying is that when I saw there was going to be like below 90 today, I'm like, yes. Pants.
[03:43]
B
Yeah. I mean and a shirt. Same.
[03:45]
A
I mean pants and a shirt.
[03:46]
B
Short sleeve.
[03:47]
A
Yeah, but not versus shorts and a tee.
[03:49]
B
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. The hat.
[03:52]
A
Something besides sneakers, shorts and tea weather.
[03:54]
B
Right, right, right. Let's go. The. I know.
[03:57]
A
We're so.
[03:57]
B
We're so bad guys. Yeah. When. I don't know when you're going to hear this, but at least when we're recording it. Today is great.
[04:03]
A
Right now. It is like the date or the temperature. 81 degree feels like 80.
[04:09]
B
It feels. It's. It's a nice breezy 80. I mean we're so. This is how. This is Stockholm syndrome, dude. We're so up with this. With these heat waves that today is like, oh my God, what a moderate temperature.
[04:20]
A
Paris fundamentally altered my physiological internal core temperature.
[04:24]
B
You will never be the same Paris.
[04:26]
A
And then straight into New York. So I'm 80 degrees. Is like. It's a bit chilly.
[04:30]
B
Born of a broken man over here.
[04:32]
A
Plus I'm going to the Odyssey afterwards, so I'm like, all right. Cold movie theater.
[04:35]
B
Oh, I'm happy that we got that sorted. You flip ticks with someone?
[04:38]
A
No, I just got a. Got a refund and then no, I'm just going to sit in the third row so I'm close to the screen.
[04:46]
B
What do you think? Like, whatever. We'll probably talk about this on the show, I would imagine.
[04:49]
A
Sorry.
[04:50]
B
The hat is bootleg presse from a shop that Sebastian mentioned in Carol Gardens called Venn Space. Maybe you heard of it. I think they're about to blow up.
[04:59]
A
I gotta go back. I haven't been there a minute.
[05:01]
B
They're about to blow up. So far, the draws are.
[05:04]
A
I'm not a guy that works at
[05:05]
B
a marketing agency or that has a kid. I feel like, like the. I wonder how. What percentage of their customers are dads?
[05:14]
A
Probably pretty high.
[05:15]
B
Yeah.
[05:15]
A
Yeah. But that's not true. I've been in there.
[05:17]
B
No.
[05:17]
A
A few times I've been there. There's been a lot of kids. It's a destination shop.
[05:20]
B
My favorite Ven. Space shopper.
[05:22]
A
It's like the Dover Tree. Dover street of Brooklyn.
[05:24]
B
Yeah. The. There. There's a specific type of vents based shopper. And this is my favorite. It's the. The young man trying on power boots to get his sizing so he can buy them on ebay. That's my favorite. I, I shit you not. I've seen a handful of those size the fuck down. The underwear are not Brady brand. That's crazy. By the way. I've never, I have never interfaced with anyone who wears Brady brand besides you. When I think you. We contractually were obligated to wear whatever that was. It doesn't exist anymore.
[05:56]
A
Yeah. Rip my busy wrestling and with Alex Earl Console wrestling.
[06:02]
B
He's. I mean Porto is even like, yo wash. My go is washed. I mean that's what happens to all goats. As we've established. The underwear are.
[06:09]
A
You know, that is. It's the TF curse.
[06:12]
B
What do you. In what way. What are you doing? Trying to see what kind of underwear I'm wearing. Oh, Uniqlo underwear. James, what are you wearing today?
[06:21]
A
The little piggies are my brand new. Our legacy Ginza loafers with some toe cleavage. Peeking out the front.
[06:29]
B
Yeah. Like a very, very demure toe cleavage.
[06:32]
A
Yeah. It's like a geisha.
[06:33]
B
Yeah.
[06:35]
A
Not gonna lie, A little tough to walk. And I think with the socks, I think you need some internal grip that the socks do not provide. And I don't have. I don't own any grippy socks. I've never been committed to the psych ward. Not a, like pervert.
[06:45]
B
Right.
[06:47]
A
The socks are.
[06:48]
B
By the way, if. If there are people that listening that have been committed, it wasn't just cuz they're perverts.
[06:52]
A
No, I'm. I have not been committed, nor am I a per.
[06:55]
B
Oh, for sex.
[06:56]
A
Right.
[06:57]
B
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
[06:58]
A
The socks are bomba socks. Pants are super flared. A micro cord from second layer. These are one of the two pairs that got hemmed in Paris.
[07:06]
B
Nice.
[07:07]
A
Shout out the boys. Shout out these pants. They're delicious. The shirt is orally tropical wool. Even though it's 80 degrees out, still super breathable and nice and crispy in the heat.
[07:19]
B
Speaking of augmenting and laces, I thought you were going to pull out the drawstring.
[07:22]
A
Oh, I forgot.
[07:23]
B
Well, you can't. I can only tell because I'm. You're sitting across from me and I'm just. I'm staring at your crotch.
[07:28]
A
Shall I tie them?
[07:29]
B
No, no, no. I. No, I. I don't know what I. What I think we talked. When we talked about this last, I was saying what a styling maneuver you could do, which would be, I think a bit performative, is you could cinch that and then like flip it over and give it the il of being tucked now if you cinch it enough. Yeah, exactly like, you know, that doesn't. Doesn't feel very. Jimmy?
[07:48]
A
No, thank you.
[07:49]
B
Yeah. Doesn't.
[07:50]
A
Not interested. I was gonna say maybe now my shirts fall up.
[07:52]
B
Well, you did it to yourself at least.