The French Montana and Max B Interview with Throwing Fits

Summary

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Throwing Fits – The French Montana and Max B Interview

Release Date: May 18, 2026
Guests: French Montana & Max B
Episode Theme: A joyful reunion between French Montana and Max B, celebrating Max’s freedom, their storied partnership, and the return of their iconic wavy energy to hip-hop. The two discuss new music, the upcoming Wave Gods Narcos tour, life after prison, the evolution of the game, and how they plan to “make America wavy again.”

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Episode Overview

This episode reunites French Montana and Max B for a candid and high-spirited conversation that radiates both nostalgia and excitement for the future. Recently freed, Max B joins longtime collaborator French Montana to talk life, music, the meaning of “the wave,” their new project Cosmos Brothers, and an ambitious return to touring with the Wave Gods Narcos Tour. Together, they reminisce on old times, reflect on hard-won wisdom, and throw down the gauntlet for the summer of 2026.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reunion & First Impressions

• Max B’s Release & New Beginnings:

  • Max relishes his freedom and the energy of his first real summer day out:

    “It's beautiful out here, man. I'm mad I couldn't find the outfit ... I had to subject myself to this regular gray sweatsuit, right? Which is so vanilla. The sun is out.” – Max B (01:56)

  • Max and French catch up at a new triplex; Max describes climbing onto the roof “like Spider-Man” (01:32).

• Fit Check & Jewelry Talk:
  • Both detail their fits and jewelry (“light day”), with French’s chains symbolizing Bronx, Morocco, and his journey (03:40).

2. Life Changes & Big Purchases

• Biggest Purchase After Release:
  • Max’s first big purchase was a new crib, but he also picked up a “wavy chain”—later unfortunately stolen in Miami (“two tennis braces and my ma,” 05:58).
    • French and Max riff about keeping track of jewelry and the hazards of flexing.

3. Chopped Cheese, Bodegas, and Food

• French rates his bodega chopped cheese “like 7.9” and speaks about signature NYC bodega experiences (06:20–07:01).
• Max’s go-to snack in prison? “Hot hots” (chips), and he teases a forthcoming cookbook full of prison recipes (25:58).

4. The Wave Gods Narcos Tour

• Tour Preview:

  • Wild creative vision with livestock, dancers, props—a “real narcos behavior” vibe promised (07:08–07:48).
  • The duo joke about stage sheep, goats, and even hippos and Spider-Man.

• First Tour Together in 20 Years:

  • French: “We don’t know our behavior on the road ... it’s the first time in 20-something years.” (08:06)
  • Max reflects on old days hustling features, “go out there with $10 ... come back with $50,000” (09:13).

5. Price of Features, Art vs. Money

• Pricing Features Then & Now:

  • Max: “20 years ago you could get a feature for $1,500 ... now, maybe $15,000” (09:24).
  • French: “I charge like $250,000 for a feature, but if I like the record, I'll do it for $100,000 ... If the record does good, I’ll shoot the video for you for free.” (09:52–10:04)

• Choice Quotes:

  • “If the record is great, I might not even charge you. I don’t compromise great music.” – Max B (09:34)
  • “A hit record is better than a million dollars any given day.” – French Montana (37:03)

6. Return to Music & Creative Chemistry

• Making America Wavy Again:

  • The duo assert their intent to restore energy and unity to New York hip-hop:

    “This is musical Restoration, Montana. … Brilliance back into hip-hop. New York.” – Max B (15:44)

• Influence & Signature Styles:

  • French credits Max with helping create a melodic rap lane:

    “…what Max created in the first place. Before he went in, which was melodic rap... it’s just not being an R&B singer, but being able to harmonize in your own way.” – French Montana (17:41)

  • Max on French: “He brings an energy that nobody else can match ... he’s dependable, holds himself accountable, he don’t rush nothing.” (18:43–19:01)

• Creative Process Together:

  • Both admit to showing up late to the studio, but make up for it with energy (20:27).
  • Max: “Have now if I come late, three, four hours late. He done did four or five songs. Guess what? I'm gonna come in there and make it up.” (20:43)

7. Friendship & Loyalty

• French’s Loyalty During Max’s Prison Stint:

  • Visits, phone calls, and a poignant story:

    “French came, got me out the box one night, bro ... I saw my boy, I was like, yo, you. You.” – Max B (23:45)

  • “A real friend’s the one who walks in when everyone else walks out.” (24:23)

8. Adjusting to the World After Prison

• Biggest Surprises:
  • Max is blown away by the evolution of nightlife and the boldness of women post-release (“the women out here are crazy ... lovelier than ever” 34:10).
  • Taste of freedom: First meal out was McDonald’s—“the only thing that tasted the same as in 2010” (29:02).

9. Waves, Wealth, & Real Estate

• On Materialism Today:

  • French and Max reflect on outgrowing showy spending—cash now feels “broken.”

    “Back in the days, it was cool to pull out a knot ... Now you pull out cash, it don't feel the same.” – French Montana (54:11)

  • French: “I grew out of everything ... now I’m on planes, houses, just real estate.” (52:00)
  • Max: “If I see something I like, I’m gonna get it ... I don't give a [expletive].” (56:29)

• Animals & Future Dreams:

  • French’s dream: a “zoo house on a beach—wild animals, tigers, lions, all jumping in the water.” (52:20)

10. Wisdom and Resilience

• Advice Exchanged:

  • French’s favorite advice from Max: Don’t get into trouble (38:56).
  • Max’s grounding reminder: Perspective, even when bored or tired of music, “just look at where I’m at in jail, and take that into consideration.” (40:12)

• Max on second chances:

  • “We come out, we work, we get after it, we don't complain, and we show up. That's it.” (34:46)

11. Future Plans, Legacy, and New Projects

• Wave Gods Narcos Tour starts May 24th, promising immersive stage theatrics.
• Cosmos Brothers (album/project) drops May 21st—Max’s birthday. Expect “seven videos” and summer anthems (59:17).
• On legacy: French’s aim is to get Max his first Billboard hit, helping him ascend beyond street legend status (36:14).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Max on return to music:

  “It took me actually a whole, maybe two sessions ... To get all the way back. I was at the Jet game ... Coming out of prison, we in the studio that night recording.” (14:05)

• On unity in hip-hop:

  “I don't think no music is terrible. I think everybody just do what they do for a reason. I just felt the shit we brought to the business back then was missing. Just want to see unity.” – Max B (16:18)

• Max on French’s support after prison:

  “These are experiences I went through with this guy here, man. A real friend walking when everybody else walk out.” (24:17)

• French sums up their partnership:

  “A hit record is going to be something you're going to do shows [with] for the rest of your life. Don't you ever say a million dollars better than the hit record.” (37:31)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Reunion & Fit Check: 00:56–03:40
• Biggest Purchases & Lost Chains: 05:21–06:11
• Bodega & Chopped Cheese Talk: 06:16–07:03
• Wave Gods Narcos Tour Preview: 07:08–07:55
• Studio Chemistry: 14:05–15:29
• Making America Wavy Again: 15:32–16:14
• French’s Influence on Max & Vice Versa: 17:41–19:01
• Friendship Stories & Max’s Release: 23:19–24:50
• Post-Prison Adjustments & Culture Shock: 34:10–34:46
• Max’s Prison Cooking/Upcoming Cookbook: 25:58–27:30
• Spending Habits & Materialism: 54:10–56:26
• Legacy & Future Plans: 59:03–59:41

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Final Notes

French Montana and Max B’s camaraderie and humor dominate the episode, weaving together stories of struggle, loyalty, and triumph. Fans are given a front-row seat to the pair’s revival as they promise a “wavy” takeover for summer 2026. The motif of rebirth, both musically and personally, runs throughout—“making America wavy again” is both a boast and a mission statement. Their infectious energy “oww” (21:30), signature ad libs, and promises of club bangers assure listeners that the wave is not only back—it’s stronger than ever.

Upcoming Drops:

• Wave Gods Narcos Tour: May 24, 2026
• Cosmos Brothers album: May 21, 2026
• Max B’s Cookbook: TBD

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“We come out, we work, we get after it, we don't complain, and we show up. That's it.” – Max B (34:46)

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

You.

[A]

You guys been having a fun time today?

[B]

Yeah. Hell yeah.

[C]

We just linked up today.

[D]

Yeah, we just linked just right here.

[C]

We actually hung out.

[B]

It was at the new spot last night.

[C]

Snigger. The undisclosed location, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

My man brought me to a three story triplex last night. Gave me the whole first floor.

[D]

People helping people. You love to see. It's real estate. Yeah, estate.

[C]

He was.

[B]

He was running around there. He made himself his way to the roof.

[C]

I was on the roof. Like Spider Man.

[A]

You actually climbed up on the water tower. That's dangerous.

[D]

Taking selfies.

[C]

I mean, listen, man, I'm outside.

[D]

Literally.

[B]

Today's the first day of lying.

[A]

Today's like the first, like really nice, warm summer day since you got out. How you feeling, Max? You feel like the summer vibes in the city right now?

[C]

It's beautiful out here, man. I'm mad. I couldn't find the outfit. I had to. You look great. Myself to this. I know I look great, but I had to subject myself to this regular gray sweatsuit, right? Which is so vanilla. The sun is out.

[B]

He's usually in Buttercream.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Buttercream Bros. Knuckles Buttercream Bros. Buttercream Dreams.

[B]

The Cosmos Brothers.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Buttercream fiends.

[D]

Thank you guys so much for joining us. Just real quick, before we get into the show, what are you guys wearing today? I don't know. Who Wants to go first, but just take us through a little fit check. Primarily, want to talk about the jewels.

[C]

You got me today.

[B]

You believe Birth of a Royal Child? Ivy, shout out to Izzy. This is light day.

[A]

Was that four. Four chains on, Max.

[B]

Light day.

[A]

Light.

[C]

What about the.

[A]

What about the mysticals? Yeah, you got oceans on the wrist.

[C]

Oh,

[D]

you might need to talk into the mic, Max.

[C]

I got the ap. I got some stuff.

[A]

Some Cubans.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I got some stuff.

[A]

Some Cubanos.

[D]

Light work.

[C]

Yeah, I got some stuff.

[D]

It's just a. It's just a Tuesday, right?

[C]

But my man got some on.

[A]

Yeah. What's French wearing?

[D]

Yeah, what do you got?

[C]

It's like the game up with the Millie on.

[B]

I'm in a regular black killer.

[C]

My.

[B]

With one piece, I'm in regular black tea. And my brother. My brother bought me this Balenciaga boots,

[C]

so just look good.

[B]

I had to throw on this Balenciaga top that I had hanging around the crib. Regular RM on.

[A]

What is this? What the hell is going. What is going on here?

[B]

This is a royal chain.

[A]

You have a city on your neck.

[C]

It's a piece for a king, but

[B]

it represents the whole. The whole history, you know, Morocco, the train, the train stations in the Bronx, Moroccan flag, the eagle, the cb, the Pillsbury Doughboy.

[C]

So your life is in that chair.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

Beautiful.

[A]

That's a triplex hanging out here.

[D]

Every chain tells a story, right, gentlemen?

[B]

Turtleneck like a mural.

[D]

And then let's talk about the wrist. The big piece.

[B]

Original Millie.

[D]

Yeah, Something like, totally iced out.

[C]

They pulled that out. The Gucci case. I'm like, how the. You got. It was Louis.

[D]

It was Louis.

[C]

I don't.

[A]

Lou, how the.

[C]

You got a Louis Vuitton case just for the building? I was like, what the. Where the. You had that at? I could have wore that in a couple videos.

[A]

Are you.

[B]

Are you.

[A]

Do you, like. Are you trying to get to French's level with the jewelry, or are you, like, on your own?

[B]

I'm trying to get to his level.

[A]

You're trying to get his level?

[B]

Yeah. He just came home, and he got, like, 85,000 chance.

[C]

This nigga don't have no level, okay?

[B]

He just came home. You see, he got, like, five different pieces already.

[D]

Doing quite well for himself.

[C]

I never was locked up.

[B]

Oh, yeah, okay.

[A]

That was a hallucination.

[D]

That was a rumor.

[C]

I said I wasn't gonna use that no more. Okay, all right.

[D]

What are you using now?

[C]

I'm just out not making excuses. Working, getting after it. Love that. And Putting it together.

[B]

Nobody have that much jewelry on when he first came home at all.

[C]

Not even Big Meech.

[B]

Oh, shout out to big me.

[A]

Max. Max, since you got out, what's like the.

[B]

For.

[A]

What's the biggest purchase you've made since you got out?

[C]

My crib. The crib.

[D]

The triplex.

[C]

No, no. Oh, that's it. Oh, that's crib.

[D]

That's the hoop you were wiling on his roof.

[A]

The triplex is the hoopdy.

[B]

The biggest. The biggest purchase you made was the wavy chain, right?

[C]

Oh, oh, the wavy chain. I forgot about that.

[D]

Where's that right now?

[C]

This. Around this time? This. The link.

[B]

He don't. He don't even know where his jewelry is at.

[A]

He doesn't know what floor of the triplex it's on.

[C]

Somebody stole my jewelry out my rental car in Miami.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Oh, no.

[C]

The two chinnish chains, two tennis braces, and my ma.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[D]

Did you ever find out who did it?

[C]

No. Nah. So we got, like, we. That's another issue.

[A]

Let's put out the news alert.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Shout out to Izzy. Shout out to Aviani

[A]

French before coming on. You had a little snack. How would you rate that chopped cheese?

[B]

The chopped cheese is, like 7.9.

[C]

That's pretty good.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Give me one of those.

[A]

Can you walk into any bodega and, like, you're good?

[B]

In New York, I went to that bold day. I got it for free.

[D]

Oh, they didn't even charge.

[A]

Yo. Shout out. Shout out that bodega.

[B]

What was the name of the bodega?

[A]

It's new.

[B]

It's good.

[D]

You're valid in every bodega.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. With the salt Vinegar Lays. Walked in there. Salt Vinegar lays. Got the Dr. Pepper, strawberry and cream banger diet.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The salt, very underrated.

[C]

Yeah, but it's still good.

[B]

Salt, vinegar, chips. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

That's the only time he's salty.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

All right, gentlemen.

[B]

Hey.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

This is wild.

[A]

All right, fellas. We got the Wave Gods Narcos tour coming to a city near you this summer. What can folks expect at these shows?

[B]

We might have some sheeps up there.

[C]

Sheeps.

[B]

Some goats.

[D]

Livestock.

[A]

We got two goats.

[B]

Yeah, that's a real goats.

[C]

Cows.

[B]

Cows. Going to have the. The cowboy. It's going to be real narcos behavior.

[D]

Okay?

[C]

Cowboy boots, El Chapo.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Cowboy hats.

[C]

You might even see a landing strip out that motherfucker. We might be on a landing strip.

[A]

Oh, you got to fly in some product for the show.

[C]

Yeah, it's going to be a Full

[D]

stage show, livestock included, props, etc.

[C]

See dancers, you're going to see sparkling balls, Hippopotamus, you're going to see jumping out the sky, all type of shit.

[A]

Spider man might be there.

[C]

This is Narcos, man.

[B]

This is a whole different series.

[C]

Different man.

[A]

When you guys are on the road, what do you like to do to pass the time between shows?

[B]

Because obviously, well, well actually this is, this is going to be our first time on the road together in 20 and 20 something years.

[D]

Congratulations.

[B]

Yeah, so we don't know our behavior on the road.

[A]

So like typically French, like between shows, like, are you like. I don't know. What are you doing?

[B]

Just having fun, man. Having fun and, and making music. Just getting, just, you know, just getting back to the essence.

[D]

Working.

[B]

Yeah, working.

[D]

What was it like 20 years ago, max, when you guys were on tour last time?

[C]

Everybody just getting started and even though I was, you know, involved early, it was just, it was, it's refreshing. It feels the same. Oh wow.

[D]

Amazing.

[C]

It feels the same because we will

[B]

go, we will go on like weekend trips. Like we will leave like Thursday night, go to, go to ct. We stay there for like three days, we head up there, we, we, we'll set up shop in somebody crib. We do like 10 features. We end up staying at one of the drug dealers houses that got like a crib on the mountain or something.

[C]

Go out there with $10 on this and come back with 50,000. Exactly.

[D]

What was a bad rate of return?

[A]

What was a feature running for 20 years ago?

[C]

O man, anywhere.

[B]

Anywhere, man.

[C]

Whatever you had two years ago, I take fifteen hundred dollars from you and I take fifteen thousand from you.

[A]

And now what are we? A little more. A little more?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I just love a good record. So if somebody came to me and they got the money and the PR and the record is good. If the record is good, I might not even charge you.

[D]

No way. Come on, you're not doing any chat.

[C]

No, I, I don't compromise great music. If the music is great and it just means something. What the. I'm gonna put a price tag on it for.

[B]

Okay, I do that too though. I charge like 250,000.

[A]

You said, you said that's the record.

[B]

Yeah, I try like for a feature, but if I like the record, I'll do it for 100.

[D]

What a guy.

[B]

And if the record do good, I'll shoot the video for you. Love the record and I'll do the video for free.

[C]

Look, if it's a record, so great. The, that brought you the record. He know how great it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He's not gonna give it to you, cuz he who you are. Yeah, he gonna say, nah, I don't know about that.

[A]

Like he doesn't want to get outshined on his own shit.

[C]

No, he doesn't want to give the record up because he know that record is going to change his life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Some people are scared to change.

[C]

So he's going to hold on to it and that's dangerous.

[B]

You talking about taking the record from him?

[C]

Talking about just grabbing the record. Give me the goddamn record. What you going to do with it?

[B]

You want some pirate? I'm talking about. I'm talking about just doing a feature for them.

[C]

You charge for that though, Max type of record?

[A]

Captain Max Sparrow.

[B]

I would charge for it. Unless we both own it. If I love the record that much, I could work out a deal, somebody. We both own the record.

[C]

I know you. You got records.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

For nothing.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

If it's a great record, bro, it's a great record.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

There's no price tag on the great record.

[B]

You're right.

[A]

Do you see that? Where you're like, I know this is going to be the summer banger, the summer anthem. So I'mma lower the price just so frag on the great record broke.

[B]

Look, first come, first serve.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And we don't care about money if the music is great because it's all about the art.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

But if it's trash.

[A]

250.

[C]

Yeah. We're gonna charge that. A kidney in the spleen.

[D]

Is it ever a situation where it's so trash you wouldn't take any amount of money?

[C]

No. If it's so trash. But he got the money. We won't do it how it is. We're gonna take the money and make a great record. Oh, right, right. Despite his blasphemy.

[A]

Exactly. Okay.

[B]

Sometimes if he the money is right, we might take the money and give you a record if your record is trash.

[D]

Oh, better record.

[C]

Give you a better record. With our producer.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[C]

You're helping. You're helping them.

[B]

Yeah,

[C]

we help in the business. Well, you guys got to do.

[A]

You guys got a new project in the way. Wave Gods, Two Cosmos brothers.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

This is coming out right around then. So. Yeah, we can talk about it now. Is the Summer Anthem of 2026 on that album?

[B]

Oh, yes. Yeah, we have about two of them too.

[C]

Because you already get more than two.

[A]

You already got. I want definitely more than two.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which feels like it's kind of taken over. I heard it. I heard it in cars.

[D]

No, I know what I'm saying.

[A]

You've already got that.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You got one in the chamber or one that happened already.

[C]

We not counting.

[D]

Oh.

[C]

I'm telling you. Is this.

[A]

It's bigger.

[C]

These rap niggas is fucked up. Any art or creators out here in the summer of 2026, it's going to be hard for y'. All. Our music is that great, is that quality that we that cocky and we that arrogant. And we standing on the fact that we really got.

[B]

We.

[C]

Nah, we got the top of the line. Y' all are up.

[B]

We got Call us.

[C]

We can get y' all involved.

[D]

This is a threat. So that's a threat.

[C]

And.

[D]

And it's a warning invite.

[C]

This is a.

[A]

It's a courtesy beat us.

[C]

This is a join us or get rolled us or get rolled the fuck over situation.

[D]

That's fair.

[A]

It's a courtesy. Like, hey, just. Just FYI.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

We are coming heavy this summer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so maybe if you want. Get the fuck out the way.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Or look. Or. We've already arrived since my man came home.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Before we drop this guillotine on you motherfuckers. Oh, y' all gotta get in line because is about to be up.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

We got the singles, we got the club Bangles. We got the rap, we got the. Is up.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Appreciate the heads up.

[A]

We're going to delay our mixtape until the fall.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

We really drop.

[D]

But now we got to move. Dude, you have a shook.

[C]

Don't drop nothing. Nobody dropped. When the Cosmos.

[A]

You know, when you guys got back in the studio, both for 3.5 and for Cosmos Brothers, did it take a second to shake off the rust? Or did you, like, pick up immediately where you left off? Because it'd been a minute, Right. Since you, like, actually sat down.

[C]

I took a day. It took me actually a whole, maybe two sessions.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

To get all the way back. Confident with you.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Is that a long time or a little.

[B]

That's a long two session.

[C]

Because I was, like, really trying to figure it out. You gotta figure that first day out. I was at the Jet game. I was up 4 o' clock that morning. Coming out of prison. We in the studio that night recording my wife bulletproof Maybach first joints.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So I gotta get into it, but I ain't gonna complain. I'm gonna go out there, get after it, and we gonna make records. What we do.

[D]

So that you weren't nervous at all. You were just like, it's just gonna take me a little bit of a warm up.

[C]

I was a little nervous, okay? Because I wanted to. I wanted to be there for my nigga. I wanted to make sure. Know what I'm saying? But I know I wasn't. I ain't been in the stool. The beat was leaving me. Everything was loud. Everything was big, right? I wasn't acting like it, but it was my first day outing, bro.

[B]

That was big.

[A]

You were over. You were over stimulated.

[C]

Everything was bigger than me, bro.

[B]

Pause.

[D]

Bigger than Bigel.

[C]

I just was keeping it right. Even count. But everything in the moment was huge, Paul. From the studio to the beat to.

[B]

Everything was leaving me, bro.

[C]

Okay, But.

[A]

But then you locked it.

[D]

But now we're back.

[C]

Gone.

[B]

Figure it out.

[A]

Thank God. Thank God. Because now we can finally make America wavy again. How, fellas, can you tell us, how do we make America wavy again? Because we've lost it for a minute. Fifteen years, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We didn't have the wave God with us.

[C]

But this is musical Restoration, Montana.

[B]

Yeah, we are Restoration Musical the evolution

[C]

brilliance back into hip hop.

[A]

Okay? And New York.

[C]

Hip hop. New York, New York.

[B]

Just in case you're persuasively indecisive.

[D]

What was the game. What was the game missing when you guys weren't active together? Like, were you listening to music, like, at that? Like, were you like. And you're like, this is terrible. Like, what did you think of the rap game?

[C]

No, I don't do that.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I don't think no music is terrible.

[D]

You weren't hating.

[C]

No, I don't think no music is terrible. I think everybody just do what they do for a reason. I just felt the shit we brought to the business back then was. Was missing. Got it. Just want to see you unity.

[D]

Oh, true.

[B]

Yeah. One million. And I feel like everybody's chasing the algorithm.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And. And everybody's chasing what they think streams and is. And is pushing everybody away from. From the evolution of music. From what made you the artist you are. You know what I'm saying? Because there's artists that don't stream nothing. That's. That fill up arenas and. And you know, everybody got their own lane, but I feel like, just need more. More people just to make music and not care about. Make it for the core audience.

[D]

Focus on the feeling.

[A]

Yeah, no, more like five minute albums.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I think we're trying to restore the feeling more than. Than the music chemistry that come from.

[C]

Know how? That come from being out here. That come from being in the stool, working every Day. That's all chemistry, veteran mindset.

[A]

When you guys do collaborate, like, why don't you each say what the other guy brings to the table that makes the wave God's duo so undeniable? Like, what does Max bring to the table? That in your opinion, this is why we are who we are.

[B]

I think. I think that the most important thing that the game was missing is. Is what Max created in the first place. Before he went, he went in which it was melodic rap that you see a lot of artists out here that was influenced by the wave. And. And it just. It's just not being an R and B singer, but being able to. You know what I'm saying? To harmonize in your own way. Because even Ja Rule was doing other people, but he had his own style of doing it that made him great, you know what I'm saying? I feel like the game was missing a lot of that. And, and, and. And that's why I'm trying to get out of him more and more whenever we in the studio. But he already does it anyway.

[A]

Right, but you're trying to push him to like.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[D]

The signature.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That you learned at the. The children's choir, right?

[C]

No, well, I was there, but that's not where I, you know, where you learned. Like, how am I Just let my. Come to me if it my body be like, ah. And that's what go down.

[D]

It's your nature.

[C]

But what about French?

[A]

What does French bring a table that

[C]

he just bring an energy that nobody else can match. Yeah, nobody matches my energy. It's the only that match my energy musically. Leaving in the stool. My bro up all night. We park, we get done, we party and we get done.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

We put tapes together. And it been like that since the rip. He's dependable. He holds himself accountable. Yeah, he holds himself to a high standard. He don't rush nothing. A lot of child see, in regards to Coke Wave, like, I'm talking about the video, all his shit. I don't do the logistics. I go in the stool, I bust it out, I get out. When it comes to the logistics, the video, this right here.

[A]

Have you always been like that or is that like.

[C]

Always been like 30 on our first Coke Wave?

[B]

Yeah, he always

[C]

was doing the DVDs before. Yeah, he met me.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So he already was in the media world, the realm. I was already doing music, right. So it's easy for me. He was tapping in to the media and he wanted to tap into the music. Now he got.

[D]

That's why you guys are great duo. Right brain, left brain. You know, think one to think too over here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So like between the two of you when you're in the studio, French, are you the one that's like, all right, time to lock in. Like, no more. No more joking around. Let's get serious. Let's. We got, we got. We're almost done.

[C]

We almost got.

[A]

Time's up.

[C]

Nah, we.

[B]

Yeah, both of us.

[C]

We both on go time. Even when we partied.

[B]

Who shows up?

[A]

Who shows up late?

[C]

We both do.

[B]

I'm tell you. I'm going tell you the realist. We both show up late, but we both show up on time.

[C]

That's right. Okay.

[B]

We'll be so late that we both show up at the same time.

[A]

That's true.

[C]

It's going to run concurrent. That going to work itself out.

[D]

You defy the laws of physics, both of you.

[C]

He'll be in the studio. Have now if I come late, three, four hours late. He done did four or five songs. Guess what? I'm gonna come in there and make it up. Ain't gonna make a comment. It's gonna make a comment while I was late. That gonna add up?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm glad you was late because if you wasn't late, you wouldn't have spit that 16 you did on that song. Yeah, that was great.

[A]

Like everyone's gonna come as the ad lib gods. Another like, you know, favorite of the others like Max. What's your favorite French adlib.

[D]

Is that accurate? French. Is that. Is that accurate?

[B]

Yeah, that a new one.

[A]

It's like an eagle.

[C]

An eagle.

[D]

What's your favorite Max B.

[B]

They got to be the Ow.

[C]

Ow. We had a last night.

[A]

Well without. Without giving too much away on the new new record or I mean just like on any music project. Is there any musical artist you would love to work with one day that people might not expect Might be like kind of the surprise.

[B]

You know it's funny. I used to begin access this this question for 18 years and I used to be like this. I want to work on with Max, my brother. Yeah. That's it. And now about it. Now we're working.

[D]

Dreams come true.

[B]

Yeah, dreams come true.

[C]

Like people that's on like super tv.

[B]

Yeah. I mean I worked with.

[C]

Yeah. I used to be in prison and sometime random you'll come on.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know how good that used to feel over who though it don't matter. I paid the shell

[B]

who you see me with that, that, that, that you never expected me this like a musical artist or whatever. Or anyone moment.

[C]

I saw you in the movie.

[A]

What movie?

[C]

I was like, oh, this ain't. Tell me. He did a movie. What movie? I think it was. Was it asap, Rocky or some. The movie. You did a movie, bro? With Kim K. Or something? He was in a movie?

[B]

Yeah, I was one of them. Yeah.

[C]

All right. And we watched. I'm like, yo, I'm like, oh, my man. You go with your brother. I'm like, oh, this Did a movie. He ain't tell me. It's like one of them runs. You was gone for, like, eight months.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? It was, like, working. Yeah, it was gone.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So how many times did you visit him when he was. When he was away? Was that, like, a constant thing? How did you guys keep in touch? Like a lot of fun.

[B]

We will always be on the phone. I go and see him whenever I can or like, you know, because he was moving back and forth.

[C]

There was.

[B]

He was first at Tran, then they moved him. Then it was just like, you know. But we kept in contact throughout the whole.

[C]

And that was a up.

[B]

We kept. We kept in contact throughout his whole business.

[A]

Max, what it mean to you when French would visit you, man?

[C]

French came, got me out the box one night, bro. This came and got me out the.

[A]

On his birthday.

[C]

French K. One night, I was in the box. He's in the hole. He's like, wingate, you got a visit. I was like, busy. Who the fuck coming to see me at this time of night? I didn't go entertain this shit. I didn't know who it was. Maybe my baby mother. Maybe one of the joints I grabbed from down the block. When I saw my boy, I was like, yo, you. You.

[D]

That's a real friend.

[B]

You.

[C]

So these are the experience I went through with this guy here, man.

[B]

A real friend walking when everybody else walk out.

[D]

That's a fact.

[C]

Yeah, Yeah.

[A]

A friend to all is a friend to none. That's also on the table.

[B]

Don't push me because I press the button.

[A]

Did you. Was there anything you would, like, bring him? Like, was there anything you always wanted him to bring? I don't know if you're allowed to.

[B]

I never brought him.

[A]

I don't know if you, like.

[B]

He never brought me nothing.

[C]

Okay, okay. He never smuggled in any contrary, man. Listen. Let me tell you something. I had people for that.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[C]

He's not.

[B]

Listen, man, he never. He never. He never had nobody for nothing, brother. This guy did his. He did his time, and he's Free, right?

[C]

Yeah, Right? That's right.

[A]

What was your go to snack inside?

[C]

My go to snack? Chips.

[B]

Was the co.

[C]

H. What kind of chip?

[B]

Hot, hot, Hot hots.

[C]

Hot hots.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Buttercream.

[C]

The barbecue joints.

[A]

Were you, like, chefing up? Cuz, like, I mean, I think our.

[C]

I can cook. Yeah? Yeah.

[A]

What were you doing? Like, the. The ramen packets on the Doritos or.

[C]

No, it's not cooking.

[D]

What were you cooking?

[B]

You got a cookbook coming?

[C]

I actually was like, the whole chef, like, ran the mess hall, ate Power Pro, worked the grill, worked the butcher shop, cut the meats. I baked cakes. I can bake.

[A]

This is all in prison or just.

[C]

No, a little bit before.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I did two bids.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I kind of was, like, acclimated on the first bit.

[D]

Holy.

[A]

But you got a cookbook coming out?

[C]

Yeah, I have a cookbook written.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

When I get paid, I released the cookbook.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Okay. Right.

[C]

But it's a prison cookbook. It has all the recipes from my first bed all the way down to the end.

[A]

Have you ever French? Have you ever had his prison cooking?

[B]

I hope not.

[D]

So you feed the streets, regardless whether you're in or out, you're feeding.

[C]

He ate my food before. He just don't remember.

[A]

Oh, what did you make him?

[D]

Do you remember?

[B]

I don't remember.

[C]

He don't remember.

[B]

But he loves cooking, though.

[C]

He couldn't.

[B]

Yeah, he always nice on the stick. He take it serious.

[C]

Yeah, I can around.

[A]

What do you like to cook? Like, what do you. What's your go to when you, like, everyone pulls up to the triplex? What are you making everyone?

[C]

Whatever they want. Breakfast. All right. Lunch.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Dinner, burgers, dinner, steaks, frat. Whatever you want, bro.

[A]

Anything.

[C]

I just made some. I made some. Yo, I made some burgers and fries the other night. So I get all. Go out to the supermarket, get all the fancy produce, the tomatoes, the red onions, the lettuce. Slice anything up. The pickles, put it on a nice plate. I make the burgers, I cut the potatoes up. You know how I fry them, I put them in the oven.

[A]

That's healthy. That's healthy.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

No, but that's actually like a wavy way to do your French fries in the oven. Yeah, convection, Little olive oil on them. Healthier sliding, right? Yeah, yeah, it's healthier instead of deep frying, Right?

[D]

Of course.

[B]

The healthy way.

[C]

The oven, bro. With them potatoes.

[D]

Damn. Who knew?

[A]

Yeah, that was good.

[D]

Come on, man.

[A]

Five stars.

[C]

Michelin man. My wife don't want to leave me

[B]

Got it.

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[A]

What was the first meal you got when you got out?

[C]

Oh, I ate some.

[B]

Oh, really? McDonald's?

[C]

Yeah, McDonald's. Because I was like just trying to get back to the game.

[B]

I ain't bad though. McDonald's when you ain't have it in so long, right?

[C]

You gotta go, I'm keep it a buck. That's the only out of everything I ate that tasted the same. Out of all the restaurants, consistency. McDonald's was the only thing that tasted the same when 2010. Everything else had a funny.

[D]

Oh yeah. Had to be re acclimated, you know, it just tastes.

[C]

Everything tastes weird, bro.

[B]

Yeah, still.

[C]

Still everything, bro.

[D]

But Ronald McDonald nailed it.

[C]

Everything tastes weird. And Ronald McDonald is the only food that I tasted and was like, yo, this tastes like it did in 2009.

[B]

Fire.

[C]

What was the order? A Big Mac.

[D]

Oh, nice. Classic, dude. Golden arches.

[A]

What do you get? What do you get? French me this.

[B]

I get a McChicken sandwich with extra mayo.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I get a four piece nugget. I get double cheeseburgers with Big Mac sauce. Not a double cheeseburger, but the cheeseburgers that come. Two of them. Yeah, I put Big Mac sauce in them and I, I get McFlurry with extra Oreos, fries. Maybe a Big Mac. Feasting time.

[C]

Dude, that's a he. Take a bite.

[B]

Egg.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Little sampler. Yeah. Sweet and sour. Sauce. Boom.

[A]

Yeah. What? Sweet sour. That's the sauce of choice.

[C]

Mag sauce is platinum.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That goes on the fish, it goes on the cheeseburger. Loopy.

[A]

I mean, Max. Max out on your birthday.

[C]

French Montana meal at McDonald's. Oh, that's true.

[D]

That's a good idea.

[B]

McDonald's. If you're listening McDonald's when I pull

[C]

up, I won the French Montana meal.

[A]

The last guest we had on, they had some. A little beef with Chipotle and they talked about it. Then Chipotle reached out.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

They settled it.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So Chipotle might be listening. McDonald's might be listening.

[B]

McDonald's. Montega meal.

[C]

Montana.

[B]

McDonald's.

[A]

What's that looking like?

[C]

Montana.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

What's the Montana? What's the Montana meal?

[B]

Well, you just described it how you see it.

[C]

McDonough. I see your own meal. I see your cheeseburgers with the Big Mac sauce. I see your picture up.

[B]

Beautiful. Yeah.

[A]

All right. Yo, what's it coming in?

[C]

I want a Montana.

[B]

Yeah. I'm saying he got it. Yeah. Ronald McDonald.

[C]

My boy involved Ronaldo.

[A]

So you picked him up. You got out on French's birthday. What did the celebrations look like that night? Because it was a combination birthday and first night out.

[B]

It was no celebration. What it was straight to the studio. Let's get focused.

[D]

Work hard, play hard, though. You had fun in the studio. I'm sure.

[B]

You know what?

[C]

We went to the Jet game.

[B]

Let me tell you something. I was. I was fortunate enough to. To witness a lot of people come home. Yeah. And. And not do what they were supposed to do. I wanted to make sure my brother had had his music together. We was going to have a hit. We was going to be musically relevant.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? So we went straight to work. It wasn't about partying. We had a little intimate dinner for my birthday.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

I'm saying he had his lady. I had my lady. Central C came out a bunch of, like, intimate people. Then right after that, went straight to the studio the next day.

[D]

Love that.

[B]

Made sure we had a tape done. He dropped his own tape.

[C]

Right.

[B]

We dropped our tape. And. And.

[D]

And there's no around.

[B]

No. No around.

[A]

So you wanted to make sure he's, like, on the street. Now.

[B]

I see a lot of people come home and. And, you know, once people wait for you to do something for a long time, if you don't do it, they move on to the next person.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[D]

That's true.

[B]

Look how many people came out of jail since Max came out of jail.

[C]

No.

[B]

Nobody had a better welcome home than Max.

[D]

That's a fact.

[A]

Were you guys. Were you guys surprised? Were you guys surprised at all at how much love the whole world had for you getting out and just yout igniting.

[C]

I wasn't surprised.

[A]

You were not surprised.

[C]

I was grateful. Right. Cause I know everybody was heartbroken when I left and shit, but it was that's what was supposed to happen.

[D]

Like God's plan type shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It's always God's plan. It's always the cosmos.

[B]

Right. Not knowing if anything is gonna happen because there's just so many obstacles from him getting to 75 to trickling down to 18 to not knowing what's what's gonna happen if I'm home.

[C]

Not saying you would have a great career.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But would your career went this way?

[B]

No, you don't.

[C]

Right?

[B]

No.

[C]

This all happened the way it happened.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Meant to be.

[C]

Not saying because he's great. He's gonna have a great career. Yeah. I'm just saying, would it went this way?

[A]

No cosmos.

[C]

And I don't think my would have went the way it is if I don't go through prison. Right. Go through what I go through.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Don't happen.

[D]

That's fair.

[A]

Besides, like, the food feeling fuzzy, is there anything that's like, kind of surprised you at how life is 15, 16, 17 years later since 2009? Like the fact that we can, like, call Ubers and shit.

[C]

Listen, and I'm a married man, but I'm gonna say this to the world respectfully. The women out here are crazy. And they are with all the shiznit. So that's the only thing really that changed to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Is how crazy these lovely ladies are.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

They're lovelier than ever.

[C]

They're lovelier then I think they more lovelier than Adam and Eve.

[D]

Oh, it's a big bar to set.

[C]

It's a big bar.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

BBLS didn't exist in 2009.

[C]

Man. Listen, life is good. We ain't complaining.

[D]

Right.

[C]

It's a good thing out here. Yeah. All right. And ain't change. Because if it did, we'll be stagnant. We come out, we work, we get after it, we don't complain, and we show up. That's it.

[A]

That's.

[C]

There's nothing else.

[A]

That's the recipe.

[C]

No, there's no. There's no secret. There's no oh, how you come home. It. I don't give a about none of that. Okay. If I came home and was doing this, oh, let me get a handout. That's the worst you could do? Coming home panhandling, no begging. You know what I say? Give me an opportunity to do my goddamn part. I' ma show up. And that's all my. Been giving me the opportunities to work and show up.

[D]

It's a great mindset. Yeah, that's beautiful.

[A]

And he's taking that. He's taking those opportunities. He's capitalizing. What were you. Besides giving him, like, opportunities and obviously, like, setting up work, music, collaborating together. French, what were you most excited to put Max onto after he got out?

[B]

Yeah, Just for us to have a hit record. Just. Just for him to get on the billboards for the first time in his career, man.

[D]

Long time.

[B]

Yeah, I feel like, yeah, he deserved to be on the billboards and he deserved, you know what I'm saying, to be on that airwaves. Because Max never really had a record on radio.

[C]

Right.

[D]

Street guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

People loved him, but he never had

[B]

a number one record on radio. So I think. I think that was. That was probably the best accomplishment.

[D]

Yeah, true.

[C]

I went, this is the type of money that's. That's priceless. That's my bad. That's some where he say, I'm gonna bring you to the web now. Just give you a hand. Look, you come home, here go a million cash. Go it up. And then you don't know. This is bringing me to the web.

[D]

Right.

[C]

These is checks, million cash. Name Charlie Wingate on my daughter left

[B]

me as more than a million cash. Oh, you know how many shows you're gonna give him that?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

How much publishing? You're gonna give him that?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

See, I don't know, you know what type of deal you're gonna give him.

[A]

Not the logistics guy. This is. This is why you need the logistics.

[D]

Big picture thinking.

[B]

I'm gonna tell you something. A hit record is better than a million dollars any given day.

[A]

If you set it up, one hit

[C]

record like you told me. What you told me, you said one hit record. Yeah. Is better than a great album.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Oh, that's true, actually. In this day and age, for sure,

[B]

a hit record is better than the album that comes and goes.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

Hit record is better than a million dollars.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

Hit record is something that's going to be in your catalog forever for the rest of your life.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

A hit record is going to be something you're going to be. Do shows for the rest of your life.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

Don't you ever say a million dollars better than the hit record.

[A]

I would never say that again.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What is.

[C]

I want to trade a millionaire for deaf on the.

[A]

What does I want? Death on a mean exactly like you. Stop listening to her.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's like you. You.

[C]

You.

[B]

You block your energy.

[C]

You fed up.

[B]

You fed up because if a man

[C]

go deaf, it's over.

[B]

I mean, I ain't listening to you no more. I used to listen. I'm not listening no more.

[D]

This is good advice for all the white men.

[C]

If we fuck up, we trying to serenade.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And baby, baby, I'm sorry. When we go deaf, it's over. Some rap.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So you finish, right?

[A]

Like you Heisman them.

[B]

When you completely block somebody.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

You stop. You stop fighting for. Yeah, right.

[A]

All right. It's over.

[C]

That's death.

[A]

It's a rap.

[D]

That's for genius dot com.

[B]

Especially if you elevate. If you leave somebody and you elevate, that's when it comes to everything out of your life. Ever since you left me. Yeah. More money, more cars, more gold, more everything. Thing motion.

[C]

She was down.

[A]

I can't hear you. You're down. You're down there.

[B]

I can't hear you.

[A]

What's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Downstairs neighbor type.

[B]

That's what the record is about.

[A]

French. What's the best piece of advice? Speaking of advice, you just gave us some great advice.

[D]

A hit record, better than a million dollars.

[A]

What is the best advice you ever got from Max?

[B]

The best advice I ever got from Max is not to get in trouble.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

That's good advice. Speaking from experience.

[A]

He led by example.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Cause, you know, I've been in, you know, and you used to have some around you, bro.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yes, I did.

[C]

My thing was always, bro, this ain't. You know, I know he was good, but this ain't. This ain't no wanna be. Yeah, right.

[D]

But we live.

[C]

He gave me advice, bro.

[B]

I always used to get these writer's blocks. I've been doing it for 18 years. Me and him dropped our first date right before he went in, so. 18 years. So every times I. I speak to him, like, hey, bro, it's boring. I'm saying, I don't got diamond records. I don't got platinum albums. I don't. Did the. The award shows. I don't.

[C]

Did.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so. So it comes a time where just like, all right, it's getting repetitive now.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? That's why it's so much. It's so much great energy doing it back. It's like doing everything how it was supposed to be done. It's like I'm getting that feeling like we. Back in our mixtape days.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Literally, after I've done everything I wanted to do. I literally got that feeling now that, like, in the beginning, like, we were just starting. Like, I don't have nothing.

[D]

Like, people don't get a second chance. You guys got a second chance.

[B]

He gives me the energy. Like, we just get started. Like, yo, bro.

[A]

Yeah, but you know how to do it, so it's not like you're trying to figure it out.

[B]

This is what I preach to him all the time. I like, bro, I went through. I went down this route. This was going to happen. This was going to happen. It already happened to us, like, twice since. Since he came home. And I'm like, I told you. I told you. But. But the best advice was I used to hit him. I said be like, yeah, hey, bro. Like, I don't. I'm not feeling the way I'm putting this out. I don't got the energy for it. He was like, yo, bro, when you feel down, just look at where I'm at in jail and you look at my situation and take that into consideration, you know, Take that in and put out your music perspective. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

You think I'm. You think you're bored? I'm bored, bro.

[C]

It's like I'm. I'm just sitting here like. Like they don't got no feet.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

And the.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like that. Yeah.

[C]

Suck it up. Get after me. Yeah, I see you in a little while.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That was my thing with bro. I knew he getting tired out here, but it's like, all right, you have a good time or get tired of that back where we came from.

[D]

Right?

[C]

Because I'd rather get tired of that. Yeah. I'd rather get tired of oral sex. Champagne. Sure. Steaks. Oysters at meatloaf. I'd rather get tired of that. Right?

[D]

There's always. Remember, there's always a guy without legs. There's always the guy without legs out there.

[A]

There's always a guy with no oysters.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I love it, man. I'm. I'm grateful.

[A]

And

[C]

to see this do what he did for me when I could watch every little bit. Nick and Cranny. Yeah, You. You don't know how you ever, like, genuinely. I don't know if y' all know how I supposed to look to be truly happy for A. I can't even describe it.

[B]

It doesn't exist. I have.

[C]

It don't exist.

[A]

It feels like we got some of it here.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. It just doesn't exist.

[C]

It's like Mike and Pippen. I'm not Pippin. I'll be cur on the. With this going out the score.

[B]

And it's vice versa. And it's vice versa, so. And it's vice versa.

[D]

It's a team of two Michael Jordans. That's what we're actually talking about.

[C]

Big fans of each other, Shaq and Kobe.

[B]

Who's Shaq?

[D]

Who's Kobe?

[B]

He's Shaq.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

I'm Kobe.

[C]

Both. Both. Both great.

[B]

Both.

[C]

Both.

[D]

Both champions hall of Famers jersey and the Ra.

[B]

Shaq, you know, Shaq is the biggest, though.

[D]

The big.

[C]

Got the extra ring.

[B]

No, but come on, man.

[A]

Shaq, send me some sneakers.

[C]

I got them in the car. Shaq said, man.

[B]

Yo, Shaq, put that verse out on that Ross record. Yeah, big bro.

[A]

He's on Minx in Miami.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, big bro got the remix of Miami.

[B]

Put that. Put that verse out. Shaq, stop playing.

[C]

Go play with it when we go back home.

[A]

Yeah, we going to go to studio.

[C]

We gonna pull that.

[D]

Yeah, you got a Shaq Fu feature, but he's sitting on Big Aristotle.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Shout out to the big fella.

[D]

The biggest.

[C]

Hey, yo, we outside Jet, too. We was at the Gard. We was at the Garden. I met the Jet. I met all the NBA, man. Yeah, they all. They all with the. They all with course.

[D]

Who does? Have you ever met anyone who doesn't with you? Come on, man.

[C]

Yeah, I'm really not a starstruck dude, right? But I appreciate stars. So I saw Spike Lee at the game, right? I said hi to him first. He walked past. He obviously didn't know who I was, Right? Yeah. So I guess when he went back, they was like, yo, bigger fell. I seen him on the court, said, matt, come here. Come here, man. Hey, man. You know what I'm saying? And it was love. It was real Spike. And that was euphoric, bro.

[A]

You can be in a movie, just like French.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

In a Spike joint.

[B]

I'm telling you.

[D]

Damn, dude.

[C]

This is spike, yo.

[A]

Ronald McDonald, Spike Lee, Shaq, Shaq.

[D]

The big three.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Clearly believe you.

[A]

Wait, so French. So you were. So. The best advice you ever got from Max was like, yo, I know that it's repetitive, it's bored. The success is like, getting mundane.

[B]

When there's worse, think of worse, right? It's not a gift. It's part of the curse.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[D]

Bars.

[A]

Damn. Everything's a bar. What? When you got bored inside, what would you do to pass the time?

[C]

My music got me through everything. Yeah, I write music. I have my equipment in here. Oh, I worked on. I worked hours and hours a day

[D]

just in the lab.

[C]

I don't get bored.

[A]

What was a fitness routine?

[D]

Yeah, you're looking good.

[C]

I ran this. No, I ran yesterday. I ran five miles yesterday.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

Oh. Yeah. I'm a savage other type of energetical. I go out 60 on and I run down the whole Chelsea Pierce. Oh, wow.

[A]

Oh, like for anonymity.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

But if you see a guy now in a shisty running on Chelsea Pierce, it might be Bigger Vel.

[C]

And I get after me. I'm some. I sprint on. I'm out that jumping over this nigga's crazy.

[D]

Spider man.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Parkour.

[C]

Who the is this running man?

[B]

Hey, if I ever see you in Chelsea running, I'll be cracking the up like this.

[C]

I ain't got nothing on. I got my band off one see me with anything on. He just knew my. My body.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Pause.

[C]

Max, that's you.

[A]

Max French is on a boat in the Hudson river.

[B]

Like on my way to LA Marina. You should do the running club.

[C]

I want to.

[B]

So we should start that.

[C]

I want to start a running club.

[B]

If you want to run with bigger on the Chelsea side.

[C]

Health and fitness. Health and wellness shisties.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. You gotta run a. It was just getting up every day, living life, getting after it.

[B]

Charge people like a thousand dollars to run with you.

[C]

Ye.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

That's like a. Make a wish.

[A]

Make a bet.

[C]

You can start that in my building. I got like a whole community in here. Yeah. Runners just in my building, bro.

[A]

French, how sad were you when LA Marina shut down?

[C]

Wait, what?

[B]

Pulled my heart out.

[D]

Who's in with La Marinas?

[B]

La Marina was like. It was like a club on Dykeman is right there by the bridge. It's all sand and it's on the water.

[C]

You could pull.

[B]

You could pull your boat up to there. You heard on that song. I was like, pull up La Marina in the yacht.

[C]

That was that. Yeah.

[D]

True story. Not a rhyme.

[C]

They shut it down. What happened?

[B]

Shut it down. I don't know. The city. It was too live. It was too crazy too.

[C]

We need to make a new LA Marina.

[D]

That's true.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Uhhuh. Paradise.

[A]

We got the yachts.

[C]

So that place where we did that video.

[B]

Yeah, you saw that space in Marina is like day and night to that spot.

[C]

I know, but what I'm saying is this.

[B]

Let's see if we can reopen La Marina. Yeah.

[C]

Summer.

[A]

Yo, Zoron.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

If you're listening. Yo, we got.

[B]

Hold on.

[A]

Actually, you know what? I'm a text. I'm take a video and send it to Zoro peoples right now.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Deliver your message.

[C]

I mean, look, is it the building or was it the name?

[B]

No, it's. It's.

[C]

Or just the aura.

[B]

It feels like you in doctor somewhere.

[C]

All right, so let's find Zoran, let's find a venue.

[B]

Public announcement. La Marina need to return for the summer in New York City.

[C]

Oh, we gonna bring La Maina to. We gonna make a spot. La Mahina.

[D]

You bring it to the people.

[C]

No, we could make a spot La Mahina.

[B]

It's gotta be somewhere where you can pull up. In a yacht.

[A]

Yeah, in a yacht.

[D]

Yeah. The waterfront is a non negotiable. We need to be aquatic as a.

[C]

As an Internet beach in the Bronx.

[B]

And you could perform City Island. They got a stage. They got everything. It's crazy.

[C]

Orchard Beach.

[B]

We'll figure it out. We don't speak to him.

[A]

Is there. French is an international jet setter. Is there one place you want to bring Max to in the world?

[C]

Me. Home, baby. Motherland.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Africa.

[B]

Probably. Africa. Morocco.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Morocco.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I used to watch that on the Travel Channel.

[A]

What were you watching?

[C]

Morocco. Downtown. Marcus, the food. I love the Food channel.

[B]

Yeah. Morocco. Nigeria. Dubai. Egypt. The Paramus. Thailand. Valley.

[C]

Deserts of Saqqara.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I want to see the pyramids of Giza.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I want to see the Six Step Joseph pyramid.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The Sphinx.

[C]

I would love the other space, the

[D]

wonders of the ancient world.

[A]

Sphinxavelli.

[B]

Yeah. Jordan.

[A]

Yo. Speaking of which, Frenchie, Morocco is in the World cup this year.

[B]

Yeah. We're going.

[A]

The first match is in Jersey.

[B]

You're gonna go Brazil right quick.

[A]

Come with you?

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[D]

How many tickets you gotta get a box?

[B]

Let's figure it out.

[A]

If Morocco wins the World cup, how are we celebrating?

[B]

You already know how we celebrate. McDonald's for the whole New York.

[C]

And we're going to Morocco.

[B]

And Morocco for the whole New York.

[C]

We're going to Morocco.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hookah.

[A]

Hookah across all five boroughs.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Free hookah for the people.

[C]

I don't. I think we gotta like really go to Morocco if y' all win the World cup.

[B]

One million.

[C]

Because y' all probably be the only country nation celebrating in.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Morocco. We gotta go out there.

[B]

We're Gonna celebrate for four years.

[D]

For four years. The next one. Till the next one.

[B]

Yeah. Four years.

[A]

Wait, French. When. When was the last time you were like, the place you were in or this experience you had where you were like, yo, this is luxurious as. Because like. Like you said, right? This kind kind of got regular to you.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What was the last time you were

[D]

like, damn, we're crazy.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

Maybe when I. When I went to go meet the king of Malaysia, that was lit. Or maybe when I went to the. With my girl to the. To the king Palace. Not another palace. His hotel, Mansour Hotel in Marrakesh, like a couple months ago. Or maybe, I don't know, it was. It was. It was a couple of things.

[A]

Meaning kings. Meaning kings.

[B]

Yeah, because he showed me. Because he showed me. He showed me a garage that had number rolls Royces, about 100 of them.

[C]

Damn it.

[B]

Showed me another garage that had never Bugattis. He showed me three garages that had nothing but old schools. He showed me another garage that had number Mercedes and McLarens with 500 cars in, so.

[C]

Oh, God damn.

[B]

Then he said, oh, I have about five more garages.

[D]

How much time you got?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Then he took me to see some horses. He had a hundred lined up.

[D]

Wow.

[C]

And that's not a lot of horses for a. That really got.

[B]

Yeah, 100 is a lot of horses on his farm. That's what I'm saying. No, but these. But these are like. No, I'm talking about stallions.

[C]

Red stallions. This got 200 horses.

[B]

Then he took me to the office. Then he took me to the office where we had. Where he had all his planes.

[A]

Damn.

[D]

Oh, a garage full of planes.

[C]

Yeah, his office.

[D]

Like private jets.

[B]

No, he had. No, he had like, you know. You know how you get the.

[A]

Like the models of them, the model plane.

[B]

And he had. There's like eight, 10 of them later on his. He was like, yeah, this is. They all in the back, but let me show them to you here.

[C]

Yeah. My plane in the garage.

[A]

Do you have a dream car? You seem like a car guy. Do you have, like, something you really want to whip around one day?

[B]

I kind of grew out of cars. Really?

[A]

What are we on now?

[B]

Planes, houses.

[C]

Oh, God.

[D]

Real estate.

[B]

Just real estate.

[A]

It's like an investment or is like, to like, enjoy?

[B]

Both. Both. Yeah. I grew out of everything.

[A]

You grew out of everything?

[B]

Damn. Yeah.

[A]

Horses.

[B]

No, I don't do horses.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I love horses.

[D]

Yeah, I'll get that on the record.

[B]

Max loves horses, but my dream is to Get a. When I retire, I'm gonna have, like, a zoo house on. On the beach.

[D]

Like, wild animals.

[B]

Wild animals.

[A]

Narcos.

[B]

All on the beach. Yeah.

[D]

Tigers, lions. Oh, my.

[B]

We all take a walk on the beach.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

No people with it.

[A]

With, like, tigers on a leash.

[D]

Safari in the backyard.

[B]

All the animals, they all jumping. They all jumping in the water.

[C]

You got the hate straw. Hay like a toothpick. We got the chopper Panama hat on.

[B]

I imagine you're just walking. Imagine you're just walking with all your animals, and they're all jumping in the ocean. You're jumping in the ocean with. With them, and it's just like a vibe. That's

[D]

Discovery Channel up in the.

[A]

Yeah. Max. Watching that nature show in prison away from people.

[B]

Oh, you want to be away from.

[D]

Yeah, that's when you know you're really. You've really made it. When you can be like, I'm rich enough where I don't need to see anybody.

[A]

Do you like solitude and privacy? Like, you cherish that?

[B]

I mean, I just think because I stopped getting too lit. Yeah. When I was lit, I was inviting everybody, and I would end up in the after parties. After party. You know what I'm saying?

[D]

Like, who the Are these people? People.

[B]

Yeah. But I feel like, you know, the more sober I got, the more I wanted to just chill out.

[A]

You're around a different type of animal those days.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now it's just tigers and dress.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Now there's some animals.

[A]

What about besides real estate, Both you and Max, like, what do you guys like to spend your money on these days? Like, you know, your hobbies and thinking.

[C]

Don't spend no money.

[A]

He doesn't spend money at the bodega because he gets everything for free.

[C]

Listen, I'm trying to learn this nigga's tactics. I haven't seen him. I haven't seen him with a bill full. I can't remember the last time I seen you with some actually money in your hand, bro.

[D]

That's how you know he's rich.

[B]

Let me tell you something.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Back in the days, it was cool to pull out a knot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And pull out this cash. Now you pull out cash, it don't feel the same. It's broken.

[D]

If you do that, it's broken.

[B]

We were just talking about it yesterday. Tell them what you said.

[C]

I said, yo, when I used to pull out 30, 40 grand. And that. That is. It don't feel like nothing.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

That should have had your ass in the street.

[D]

That's true.

[B]

For real places now.

[D]

In New York.

[C]

So. So I was just saying that to say, like, I just be observing. I see what's going on the field ain't. What the we used to do back then is different now. That's some different times.

[A]

What do you do?

[C]

The money feels different.

[A]

You pull like a USB drive with your crypto on it or like.

[B]

Yeah, you can do that.

[C]

That's wavy. Yeah. A black car, mx. You could do some like that.

[B]

Never. I never thought you see an age where crypto is stronger than cash.

[D]

That's true.

[A]

You pull out like your real estate portfolio just like a nice binder.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like all your.

[C]

Even with that, you don't even want to see. You got that type of.

[B]

For real.

[C]

You got to keep everything secret out these motherfuckers.

[B]

I'm telling you.

[A]

Is there a purchase either of you made recently that you now kind of regret?

[C]

Me?

[A]

Yeah, like, oh, shit, that house was depreciated.

[D]

Yeah, Fixer upper.

[B]

Nah, I think the first. The first house I ever bought. Well, I really don't. Don't regret getting it because it kind of kept me safe out of New York. Like, I had to drive like 30 minutes to Jersey. Yeah, a big ass house, 10,000 square feet, a big ass driveway, this and that. But when I sold it, I lost like 300, 000 when I sold it.

[C]

Damn.

[D]

Yeah, that investment, bro.

[B]

Yeah, but. But it kept me alive, okay? And I had it.

[C]

And you learn.

[A]

Yeah, you live and you learn and, yeah, you learn real estate. I'm sure you know.

[B]

Yeah, and I learned. Except, so the house that I got after that, I made 2 million off of it.

[D]

Ah, there it is.

[A]

Yeah, see, but you do kind of. So is there something you kind of regret? Like, even if it was like, I don't know, like, Balencia soda?

[C]

Hell no, not me.

[A]

What about you, Max? Is there anything you regret recently?

[C]

No, I'm living my life. I don't give a. If I see some I like, I'm gonna get it. All right? If I can't afford it, I' ma stack up and get it.

[A]

Is there anything you guys refuse to spend money on? Like, you're like, nah, that's not worth it.

[C]

I don't give a.

[A]

All right.

[D]

You see it? He wants it.

[C]

It's overrated, though. It don't feel like it used to. Right. When you used. When I used to go buy some shit, I'd be like, ah, there's no. There's no feeling there.

[D]

That's called getting.

[C]

It's when you buy something now it's like, is this a good decision?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Is this conducive to. Right. Do I really need this right now? Yeah. Like, the only thing I would truly buy right now to this day is clothes. I love clothes.

[A]

Last piece of clothing you bought.

[C]

I bought like a three thousand dollar sweatsuit the other day from Marcello. Oh, nice, dude. And I wore it. Actually.

[B]

I'm dumping. I'm dumping all my mute. All my money into. Back into the music.

[D]

Okay, Right?

[A]

I mean, you got. Okay, so tell us. So tell us about the tour that I imagine is gonna sound like a Netflix original movie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where you're dumping money into this the way we got your future farm livestock.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Sounds like it's going to be as

[B]

soon as we get on stage. The Narcos theme song.

[C]

That one.

[B]

No, no, the actual. The action. The Narcos.

[C]

The mawa.

[B]

No, bro,

[A]

you gotta watch the show.

[D]

That's next single, dude. That's next single right there.

[C]

We got so much.

[B]

And while this is playing, you're gonna see a shepherd walking on stage with a sheep and a whole fleet behind them.

[D]

Close your eyes and imagine.

[C]

See a camel, a goat

[A]

you're already envisioning.

[C]

She got bells on it. Bell come out with the. Keys.

[B]

Coming.

[A]

French. Max. Thank you guys for coming to the only podcast.

[D]

Appreciate you guys.

[A]

When's the tour starting?

[B]

May 24th.

[A]

And the. The project is. What's the project?

[D]

Cosmo Bros. When's it dropping?

[B]

When is this coming out?

[A]

May 18th.

[B]

The project will be on three days.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Max. Birthday.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, that's my daughter's birthday is May 18th. Shout out to my daughter.

[D]

Shout out your daughter, cupcake.

[C]

My birthday is May 21st. We dropping the tour. You got the cosmos?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Million Dollar Baby. You're going to get like seven videos. We are on their asses.

[A]

It's going to be a wavy summer.

[C]

Yeah, it's going to be a hot, wavy.

[B]

Ow.

[C]

It'll be a hot, long, wavy summer, baby.

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