The novelist, essayist, and short-story writer George Saunders—widely celebrated for his novel Lincoln in the Bardo (2017), which won the Man Booker Prize, and book of short stories Tenth of December (2013)—has made it his mission to “de-dullify” the world through his clear-eyed, empathic, often-puckish prose. There’s an unwavering spirit of generosity embedded in the way Saunders tells stories and teaches his craft that ensures his readers and students alike stay along for the ride. Saunders’s curiosity about the afterlife, a recurring motif in his writing, rises to the fore in his latest novel, Vigil, which follows a pair of ghostly figures as they visit the deathbed of a prideful, climate-change-denying Texas oil tycoon.

On this episode, he shares how practicing meditation has shifted his approach to writing and his outlook on life, the underlying importance of humor in his work, and why to be a good storyteller is akin to being a good host.

Special thanks to our Season 13 presenting partner, Van Cleef & Arpels.

Show notes:

George Saunders

[04:34] Vigil (2026)

[04:34] Lincoln in the Bardo (2018)

[19:18] Master and Man and Other Stories (1895)

[19:18] Tolstoy

[27:41] CivilWarLand in Bad Decline (1996)

[30:22] Esther Forbes

[30:22] Johnny Tremain (1943)

[35:03] John Steinbeck

[35:03] The Grapes of Wrath (1939)