Podcast Summary
Podcast: Todo Concostrina
Host: Nieves Concostrina (with interviewer Rafa)
Episode: Acontece que no es poco | 1 y 2 de noviembre, jalogüín se merienda a santos y difuntos (donde las dan las toman)
Date: November 1, 2023
Overview
This episode of “Acontece que no es poco” dives into the historical roots and cultural rivalry between Halloween and the Catholic celebrations of All Saints’ Day and All Souls’ Day (Todos los Santos y los Difuntos). Nieves Concostrina, with her signature irreverence and wit, explores how Halloween is anything but an American invention, tracing its Celtic-European origins and critiquing how Christian institutions over centuries tried to eclipse these older,pagan festivals with their own. The episode is rich with irony, humor, and historical detail, inviting listeners to reconsider what “tradition” means.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Personal Views on the Celebrations
- Nieves opens with her preference for fun and individual freedom over somber traditions.
- “Yo estoy por la risa, no por el peñazo. Pero sobre todo estoy porque cada uno haga lo que le dé la gana y nadie se meta con lo que hace el otro.” (00:48)
- Critiques those who protest Halloween, pointing out that everyone endures traditions they may not like, equating this with her tolerance for Semana Santa processions.
2. Halloween vs. Catholic Festivities: Who Owes What to Whom?
- Argues that Halloween has a much older lineage than the “usurper” Christian holidays.
- “Halloween, aunque el nombre sea moderno, evidentemente tiene 25 siglos de antigüedad. Los otros impostores, los santos y los difuntos, son un invento cristiano para aplastar y acabar con la fiesta de los demás.” (01:29)
- She finds it ironic that Catholics now lament the popularity of Halloween after centuries of superseding older pagan festivals.
- Points out that traditions of using lights and costumes to ward off spirits existed in places like Galicia, Ireland, and even parts of Spain long before papal inventions.
3. Origins of Halloween: Ancient European Roots
- Emphasizes that Halloween is not an American but a deeply European celebration, rooted in ancient Celtic rituals.
- “Es una celebración europea totalmente… existían los celtíberos por aquí y los pueblos celtas allá…” (03:03)
- Explains the ancient fear of the dark and death at winter’s approach, which birthed spooky customs.
- "Las gentes de los antiguos pueblos europeos eran supersticiosas... Creían que esa noche, entre el 31 y el 1, los límites entre el mundo de los muertos y los vivos desaparecían..." (05:34)
- The tradition’s core: disguises, noise, and offerings to frighten away returning spirits—directly linked to modern "trick or treat."
4. The Christian Appropriation of Pagan Festivities
- Details how the Catholic Church systematically overlaid its festivals (e.g., All Saints, All Souls) onto existing pagan traditions to absorb and control them.
- “Se trata de ir evidentemente imponiendo las fiestas cristianas, pero manteniendo el espíritu de la celebración original... ibas pegándole el cambiazo al personal poquito a poco.” (08:54)
- Analogy with Christmas: comparing how Saturnalia was covered by the birth of Christ.
- Specific popes (Bonifacio IV, Gregorio III, Gregorio IV) mentioned as key figures in setting and moving these holidays to coincide with Celtic dates for maximum effect.
- “Metió 28 carretas de huesos de muertos... Y en el famoso panteón de Agripa... lo puso bajo la advocación de Santa María y los Santos Mártires...” (09:32-10:10)
5. All Souls’ Day: A Later Addition and Its Odd Origins
- Explains that All Souls’ (Día de Difuntos) was started by Benedictines at Cluny out of fear of the apocalypse around the year 1000.
- “Lo de los Difuntos viene de Francia y en realidad es una fiesta un poquito chorra, producto de un mal cálculo. Había que rezar por los muertos porque el mundo se iba a acabar.” (12:09)
- Since the world didn’t end, the feast remained.
6. Modern Reactions and the "Hollywines" Phenomenon
- Some Spanish clergy, worried about “market share,” recently promoted children dressing as saints and martyrs in an attempt to reclaim the cultural ground ("hollywines").
- “Se trata de que los niños se disfracen, pero de santos, de monjas, de mártires sangrientos, y lo llaman hollywines, que es un juego de palabras que pretende significar la santidad vence. A mí me parece de lo más ridículo, pero bueno, si les divierte, sin adoctrinar, oigan.” (13:07)
- Nieves mocks the idea of children dressing as mutilated martyrs:
- “Que disfracen a los niños de San Pedro de Verona con un hacha incrustado en cráneo, o a Santa Águeda con las tetas en una bandeja... pues oye, en realidad también son monstruos terroríficos como los de Halloween.” (13:52)
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
- On Tolerance and Tradition:
- “Mucho más derecho a protagonismo tiene Halloween antes que los invasores, colonialistas y usurpadores santos y difuntos. Así de claro.” – Nieves (01:20)
- On Historical Ironies:
- “Porque donde las dan, las toman.” – Nieves (01:25)
- On Christian Rebranding:
- “Taparon las Saturnales con la Navidad, inventándose un nacimiento de un tipo que no existió.” – Nieves (07:46)
- Sharp Humor on Religious Syncretism:
- “No hay días, no hay días para celebrar a tu muerto sin vinagre. No, tenía que ser el mismo día que lo celebraban los demás para fastidiar.” – Nieves (08:54)
- On Absurd Attempts to Compete with Halloween:
- “Holowiens... Que disfracen a los niños de San Pedro de Verona con un hacha incrustado en cráneo, o a Santa Águeda con las tetas en una bandeja...” (13:52)
- On Human (and Dead) Nature:
- “Los muertos querían aprovechar para volver a casa y quedarse. Porque estar muertos muy aburridos.” – Nieves (06:00)
Timeline & Timestamps
- 00:29 - 01:20: Nieves shares her philosophy—everyone should celebrate what they want, and traditions aren’t immutable.
- 01:20 - 03:03: Setting up the rivalry: Halloween’s ancient roots vs. Christian usurpation.
- 03:03 - 04:37: Tracing Celtic, Galician, and southern Spanish traditions predating Catholic adoption.
- 05:34 - 07:05: The psychological and ritual origins of Halloween’s symbols—fear, darkness, costumes, lights.
- 07:46 - 09:18: The Christian “overlay” strategy: how popes supplanted pagan holidays with their own.
- 09:32 - 11:58: The institutionalization of All Saints/All Souls—how the dates shifted, the role of relics, the universalization of church feasts.
- 12:09 - 13:06: Backstory of All Souls and apocalyptic miscalculations.
- 13:07 - 14:07: Current Catholic counter-movements (hollywines), mocked through examples of gory saint costumes.
Conclusion
With her trademark blend of irreverence, humor, and solid historical research, Nieves Concostrina dismantles the idea that Catholic All Saints/All Souls celebrations are “more traditional” than Halloween in Spain. She frames Halloween as the real inheritor of ancient European customs, with Christian feasts as calculated overlays, and lampoons modern attempts to create alternatives. The episode is both informative and delightfully provocative—a treat for those who enjoy history with a critical and comedic edge.
