Podcast Summary: Todo Concostrina – Acontece que no es poco
Episode: 22 de octubre de 1810: La revolución mexicana y el incoherente independentista cura Hidalgo
Date: October 22, 2025
Host: Nieves Concostrina (A), Guest/Co-host: Carlos (B)
Overview
In this lively and sharply critical episode, Nieves Concostrina offers her signature irreverent take on the beginnings of the Mexican War of Independence, centering on the complex figure of Miguel Hidalgo. The show bypasses nationalistic choreography and pageantry to dissect the true origins and paradoxes of the “cura Hidalgo,” highlighting the blend of political, social, and personal motivations behind the revolution. Concostrina also scrutinizes how Spain celebrates its "Día de la Hispanidad," denouncing its colonial-centric narrative and drawing connections to how historical memory is manipulated.
Main Discussion Points and Insights
1. Critique of the Día de la Hispanidad (Spain's National Day)
- Context and Critique:
Nieves starts by questioning the purpose and authenticity of Spain's National Day. She argues it stems from Francoist origins, celebrating not Spanish history but colonial conquest, and laments the focus on empty rituals rather than substantial reflection.- Quote [01:08]:
“La fiesta de la Hispanidad, que desde mi punto de vista, el de muchos más, es muy falsaria y absolutamente innecesaria. [...] España es, creo, el único país que en su fiesta nacional celebra la conquista de otros territorios. No celebra nada sucedido en el propio país." – Nieves Concostrina - Tone: Satirical and indignant, poking fun at patriotic displays (“patriota de charanga y pandereta”).
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2. Miguel Hidalgo: The Man and The Myth
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Introduction to Hidalgo:
Miguel Hidalgo is portrayed not only as a national hero for Mexico, but as a revolutionary mess of contradictions.- Quote [03:40]:
“Miguel Hidalgo en México es como Francisco de Miranda o Bolívar en Venezuela, es como José de San Martín en Argentina y Perú, es como O’Higgins en Chile.” – Nieves - Hidalgo's Contradictory Nature:
Concostrina underlines Hidalgo’s scattered loyalties and internal confusion—he simultaneously invoked the Virgin of Guadalupe and supported King Fernando VII, despite the king representing the oppressive system he was fighting.- Quote [05:42]:
“Por eso digo que tenía el cacao mental que tenía, porque lanzar vivas al mastuerzo siendo los Borbones los responsables últimos de todos sus males, no era coherente.” – Nieves
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Grito de Dolores and Symbolism:
The “Grito de Dolores” is dissected—the term doesn't refer to a scream of pain, but a rallying cry from the town of Dolores. Nieves humorously points out how this has been mythologized.- [05:17]: Chiquito de la Calzada joke about “dolores diodenales”; [05:42]: Explains the symbolism.
- Quote [05:17]:
“El primer Grito de América fue el Grito de Dolores, que visto desde el desconocimiento podría parecer un grito. ¿Te duele? Un grito de dolores.” – Nieves
3. Hidalgo’s Motivations: Idealist, Opportunist, or Both?
- Hidalgo’s Background:
Hidalgo is portrayed as a learned, progressive man—an intellectual who was also deeply self-interested and inconsistent.- Owned land, started businesses, disliked the Church’s stance on slavery yet wanted to protect its privileges (especially those concerning wealth).
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“Lo de ser cura le entusiasmaba lo justo, porque no le encajaba que la Iglesia se negara, por ejemplo, a abolir la esclavitud. [...] En otros asuntos luego era un eclesiástico de los rancios. Quería que la Iglesia mantuviera sus privilegios [...] al propio Miguel Hidalgo lo del voto de pobreza no le venía bien. Él compró tierras, él creó empresas.” – Nieves
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- Economic Motives:
A key insight is that economic grievances, not just lofty ideals, moved Hidalgo: when new taxes forced him to repay loans from the Church (who in turn owed money to the Crown), he was directly affected.- Quote [09:05]:
“Ahí es cuando se mosquea el cura, porque tenía que devolver lo que le prestaron y no quería, y sobre todo no podía. Y por no poder le confiscaron, le embargaron una de sus haciendas. Ahí se cabreó mucho.” – Nieves
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- Owned land, started businesses, disliked the Church’s stance on slavery yet wanted to protect its privileges (especially those concerning wealth).
4. International Context: Spain, Napoleón, and American Discontent
- Napoleon’s Role:
Carlos and Nieves explain that financial pressures from wars with Napoleon led Spain to squeeze its colonies.- [10:17] – Nieves connects the 1803 Treaty of Subsidies (Spain paying Napoleon with colonial funds) to the brewing Mexican discontent.
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“Por este Tratado de los subsidios el Borbón Carlos IV se comprometía a pagar a Napoleón seis millones de reales cada mes durante un año a cambio de no entrar en la guerra con Gran Bretaña [...] ¿De dónde salía ese dinero? De las colonias americanas.” – Nieves
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- [12:08] – Mexican confusion: Should they hate the French (Napoleon) or the Spanish Bourbons?
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“Si los mexicanos hubieran parado a pensar cinco minutos, lo habrían reconocido [a José Bonaparte] sin dudarlo, porque es que la otra opción fue el más tuerzo [Fernando VII].” – Nieves
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- [10:17] – Nieves connects the 1803 Treaty of Subsidies (Spain paying Napoleon with colonial funds) to the brewing Mexican discontent.
5. Revolutionary Messaging and Manipulation (Religious and Nationalist)
- Religious Symbol Manipulation:
Concostrina skewers the use of religious icons and apparitions as tools of control. The cult of the Virgin of Guadalupe is dissected as a manipulation engineered by Spanish priests, echoing strategies used in Spain (statues "appearing" to local populations).- Quote [13:20]:
“Por eso sí debería pedir perdón España a todos los americanos por haberlos afiliado a una secta y engañarlos con vírgenes y santos." – Nieves - Anthropological Perspective:
She calls the practice “antropología pura y dura,” attributing much of the revolutionary fervor—and subsequent continued religious devotion—to calculated mythmaking.
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6. Outcome for Hidalgo and Bitter Irony
- Hidalgo’s Fate:
Briefly but poignantly, Nieves notes that although Hidalgo’s revolution was initially successful, he paid dearly—being executed by the Spanish soon after.- Quote [14:39]:
“Se podría decir que menos de un año después pagó muy caros sus gritos, porque los españoles fusilando y decapitando eran unos hachas.” – Nieves
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- Closing Irony:
Nieves hints at future episodes to cover the afterlife of revolutionary leaders’ body parts (their “cabezas” literally having much “recorrido”).
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)
- [01:08] On Hispanidad:
“La fiesta de la Hispanidad [...] es muy falsaria y absolutamente innecesaria.” – Nieves - [03:40] On Revolutionary Heroes:
“Miguel Hidalgo en México es como Francisco de Miranda o Bolívar en Venezuela, como San Martín en Argentina y Perú, como O'Higgins en Chile.” - [05:42] On Hidalgo’s Mental Contradictions:
“Por eso digo que tenía el cacao mental que tenía, porque lanzar vivas al mastuerzo siendo los Borbones los responsables últimos de todos sus males, no era coherente.” - [08:31] Hidalgo and Wealth:
“Lo de ser cura le entusiasmaba lo justo [...] en otros asuntos luego era un eclesiástico de los rancios. [...] compró tierras, creó empresas.” - [10:17] Spain Funding Wars with Colonial Money:
“¿De dónde salía ese dinero? De las colonias americanas. Por eso los mexicanos se mosquean con Napoleón cuando tendrían que haberse mosqueado con el Borbón.” - [13:20] Religious Manipulation:
“Por eso sí debería pedir perdón España a todos los americanos por haberlos afiliado a una secta y engañarlos con vírgenes y santos.” - [14:39] Bitter Fate:
“Menos de un año después pagó muy caros sus gritos, porque los españoles fusilando y decapitando eran unos hachas.”
Segment Timestamps
- [00:26] – Opening/context: Introduction and critical setup about the holiday
- [01:08] – Critique of the Fiesta de la Hispanidad
- [03:40] – Introduction and significance of Miguel Hidalgo
- [05:12] – Explanation and jokes about the “Grito de Dolores”
- [08:04] – Breakdown of Hidalgo's personality and contradictions
- [10:10] – International context: Napoleon’s impact
- [12:02] – Effects of Napoleonic Wars on Mexico
- [14:31] – Hidalgo’s legacy and fate
- [15:02] – Episode wrap-up and teasing future episodes
Final Thoughts
Nieves Concostrina, with her distinctive wit and critical edge, unpacks the mythos of Mexican independence, targeting both Spanish self-congratulation and the messy, self-serving motivations of its supposed heroes. Listeners are left reflecting on the layered motivations behind revolutions—money, faith, power, and myth—and the ways history is used to serve national narratives.
Tone: Humorous, irreverent, and deeply skeptical towards official histories and national myths.
For Future Episodes: Promised deeper dives into the gory details of Mexico’s revolutionary martyrs.
