Podcast Summary: "Acontece que no es poco | Resumen 2. Cosas nazis"
Podcast: Todo Concostrina
Host: Nieves Concostrina (with Carlas assisting)
Date: July 18, 2023
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This episode, aired on the symbolic date of July 18th, delves into the pervasive dangers of fascism with a focus on Nazi Germany and its support for Franco’s uprising in Spain. Nieves Concostrina uses her signature biting wit and clarity to explore how fascist ideology was embraced, normalized, and ultimately imposed with catastrophic human consequences. The discussion touches on propaganda, the complicity of various social groups (including some Jews), the Nazi eugenics program, and the process of German denazification—drawing sharp parallels with contemporary political attitudes in Spain and Europe.
Key Discussion Points and Insights
1. The Significance of July 18 and the Spread of Fascism
- [01:19] Nieves explains that July 18 marks the day fascists launched a coup in Spain, provoking the Civil War:
“Aquel 18 de julio los fascistas dieron el bonito golpe de estado para acabar con la democracia en España. ... Ese golpe que provocó la guerra triunfó gracias a los nazis.”
- Highlights how moments like these shouldn’t be seen as distant history, warning of dangers when societies fail to recognize and resist fascism early enough.
- Memorable Analogy:
“Se cumple ese chiste que dice que los dinosaurios están votando al meteorito para equipararlo...”
- [02:20] She sharply criticizes those who “don’t see it coming,” warning that ignorance or indifference won’t shield anyone from the consequences.
2. Nazi Propaganda and the Role of Symbolism
- [02:40] Details how Hitler and Goebbels perfected the use of patriotic propaganda at the Nazi congresses in Nuremberg, manipulating crowds with slogans, banners, and spectacle:
“Todo eso era el papel de regalo que envolvía, que todavía envuelve el fascismo.”
- Mentions the Nazi congress of 1934, where 700,000 Germans—including some Jews—cheered for Hitler, illustrating the depth of propaganda’s effect.
3. Jewish Nazi Sympathizers and the Dangers of Internalized Fascism
- [03:50] Discusses the “Asociación de Judíos Nacionales” led by Max Nauman, and their ill-fated support for Hitler in early 1933, despite policies that would soon target them:
“Siempre hemos puesto el bienestar del pueblo alemán ... por encima de nuestro propio bienestar. Por eso acogimos con satisfacción los resultados de enero de 1933, aunque nos perjudiquen algunas cosas.”
- Nieves underscores the danger—not only to Jews but to everyone—when minority groups side with oppressors, either through naïveté or shared prejudices.
4. Reflections on Stupidity and Collective Responsibility
- [04:26] A poignant musical interlude analyzes “idiocy” as a collective phenomenon:
“La idiotez es colectiva cuando nadie se cuestiona las cosas.”
- Reinforces Nieves’ theme that fascism succeeds where critical thinking and memory fail.
5. Hitler’s Rise to Power: Myths and Realities
- [05:12] Carlas: Reminds listeners Hitler was appointed, not elected, as chancellor—his rise owed much to the traditional right-wing parties’ support.
- [05:30] Nieves:
“Hay que recordar muchas cositas para tener la memoria fresca y no repetir los tropezones... Hitler, ya sabes, ilegalizó todos los partidos, incluidos sus propios aliados.”
She draws a parallel with current Spanish politics—specifically the Popular Party’s rhetoric on “derogating” opposition policies.
6. Nazi Eugenics and the Atrocities of “Eutanasia”
- [07:43] Discussion shifts to the Nazi “Aktion T4” program ("Eutanasia") targeting the disabled:
“Esto se hizo porque el señor Hitler era un fascista. ... Los fascistas, además de no admitir disidencias, ... no les gusta a la gente con defectos.”
- Reads from Hitler’s writings, exposing the chilling logic behind the program and directly calling out those who excuse themselves as “uninformed”:
“Empieza a ser ya muy cansado pagar las consecuencias de la ignorancia de los demás. Es que yo voté esto porque no lo sabía.”
- [09:43] Statistics:
- 275,000 people with mental or physical “deficiencies” were killed
- 400,000 forcibly sterilized—including homosexuals, whom the Nazis criminalized
7. The Hypocrisy of Political Complicity
- Nieves sharply criticizes contemporary Spanish politicians (notably within the Partido Popular) who are themselves LGBTQ+ yet empower allies who criminalize homosexuality:
“Me resulta muy inhumano que dirigentes ... sean homosexuales, pero den el poder a los que criminalizan y condenan la homosexualidad.”
8. German Denazification as a Model
- [11:46] Nieves and Carlas discuss how postwar Germany undertook immediate, uncompromising denazification:
“Desnazificaron desde el minuto uno. Por supuesto, a la fuerza. ... Para democratizar Alemania previamente había que eliminar todo lo que recordara el fascismo.”
- Describes measures taken:
- Forcing Germans to see and bury concentration camp victims
- Banning symbols, anthems, and Nazi names—even denying marked graves to Nazi leaders
- Contrasts Germany’s thorough denazification process with the persistence of fascist symbols and honors in Spain and Italy.
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
- [01:56] Nieves:
“A los nazis se les veía venir, eso está clarísimo. Siempre se les ve venir. Otra cosa es que muchos no descifren lo que están viendo o no le den importancia a lo que ven, porque se creen que no va con ellos.”
- [04:26] Interlude - Song Lyric:
“La idiotez es colectiva cuando nadie se cuestiona las cosas.”
- [07:43] Nieves (on Nazi medical policy):
“Fue un programa que llevaron adelante médicos de ultraderecha. ... Eran médicos, porque fueron médicos los encargados de la depuración racial.”
- [10:38] Nieves:
“Se calcula que asesinaron a unos 8.000 niños. ¿Los del aborto, no? Se continuó luego eliminando a personas mayores que estuvieran en geriátricos y luego siguieron con personas de cualquier edad que tuvieran una enfermedad mental, una enfermedad incurable o que portaran una enfermedad hereditaria.”
- [12:00] Nieves (on denazification):
“¿Alguien se imagina que hubieran trasladado los huesos de Hitler en helicóptero y lo hubieran retransmitido por televisión para que se vieran los nazis con banderas nazis y haciendo el saludo nazi, recibiendo a Hitler en un pedazo de panteón cuyo mantenimiento todavía hoy, en 2023, le estarían pagando todos los alemanes? Pues eso, Dejen de escandalizarse y de preguntarse qué está pasando. Es una pregunta muy tonta.”
Timestamps for Key Segments
- 00:31 – Opening exchange, framing the episode
- 01:19 – July 18 and the fascist coup in Spain
- 02:40 – Nazi propaganda and mass manipulation
- 03:50 – Jewish support of Nazi ideals and its irony
- 04:26 – Song on idiocy and collective blindness
- 05:12 – Hitler’s real path to power (not through election)
- 07:43 – Eugenics: Atrocities against the disabled and ill
- 09:43 – Homosexuality, denunciation, and personal responsibility
- 11:46 – German denazification, why it succeeded, and contrasts with Spain
Tone and Closing Thoughts
Nieves Concostrina maintains an incisive, unsparing tone throughout—using irony, historical rigor, and direct language to expose the perils of forgetting or minimizing fascism. She insists that history’s lessons remain urgent and unfinished, especially as old patterns and excuses resurface today.
[13:36] Closing exchange:
“Un beso grande, Nieves.”
“Otro para ti, gracias, Carlas.”
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