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Todo Concostrina - SER Podcast

Episode: Acontece que no es poco | Un papa infartado y una beatificación de infarto
Date: September 27, 2022
Host: Nieves Concostrina
Theme: The mysterious and controversial death of Pope John Paul I and the subsequent recent beatification, exploring suspicions, Vatican secrecy, and official narratives with Concostrina’s signature irony and skepticism.

Main Theme

This episode delves into the sudden and suspicious 1978 death of Pope John Paul I, known as "the Pope of 33 days," examining the official Vatican narrative (a heart attack), the refusal to perform an autopsy, and the recent beatification. Nieves Concostrina unpacks the contradictions, media manipulation, and the enduring shadow of conspiracy over the papal death—serving up sharp criticism of Vatican transparency and ritual.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Brief Papacy and Sudden Death

• Introduction to Juan Pablo I's Story
  • Pope John Paul I (Albino Luciani) was Pope for just 33 days before dying suddenly on September 28, 1978, at age 65, with a clean bill of health.
  • The Vatican's message: death by heart attack—no autopsy. A series of contradictions followed about who found him, where, and how.
  • Concostrina highlights the history of papal intrigue, insinuating dark traditions within the Vatican:

    "Los papas llevan matándose entre ellos 15 siglos y no iban a dejar de hacerlo en el siglo XX." (03:05)

2. The Vatican’s Official Version and the Refusal of Autopsy

• Official Position:
  • Vatican claims to have thorough documentation supporting death by heart attack, insisting there's "nothing more to see."
  • Nieves criticizes the Vatican's lack of transparency and its dictatorial, theocratic culture:

    "En el Vaticano no son mucho de pruebas. En nada, en ningún tema se dice y ya está." (04:22)

  • She addresses the misuse of Vatican laws to block the autopsy and debunks the supposed legal justification:

    "La Constitución Apostólica...no dice nada, nada, ni a favor ni en contra [de la autopsia]." (05:01)

  • Comparative note: in any state of law, a death in such circumstances would have required police and forensic investigation. Not so at the Vatican, where "mandan unos señores con faldas". (05:32)
• Key Quote:

  "Si un cardenal dice esto ha sido un infarto y el médico está en la nómina del cardenal, pues dice claro que sí, guapi, un infarto clarísimo." (05:48)

3. Papal Deaths in Historical Context

• Tradition vs. Transparency:
  • Traditionally, Popes die at a known old age, with well-publicized illnesses (Pío XII, Juan XXIII, Pablo VI). Their conditions were public, contrasting with the secrecy around Juan Pablo I.
  • Concostrina underscores the Vatican's selective secrecy, pointing out, "la omisión de autopsia se entiende cuando el Papa está pachucho...pero a Juanpa no le dolía nada, que es que estaba como una pera." (07:24)

4. Disputed Documentation and Internal Contradictions

• Vatican’s “Documentation”:
  • Official story based on internal testimony, not shared or open to scrutiny. Nieves labels it “el relato que ellos mismos han ido fabricando con los años.” (08:37)
  • Contradictory statements from cardinals, including Silvio Oddi, who first insisted on natural causes and later mentioned uninvestigated negligence and possible heart complaints without evidence.
  • Doctor Antonio Da Rossa, papal physician, later contradicted Oddi's claims, stating there were no heart complaints or stress; Luciani was “como una flor” and only had low blood pressure. (11:00)
  • Even the story of who found the body changed: initially a secretary, then a nun, the latter hidden due to concerns about perceptions of a woman in the papal chambers.
  • Memorable quote:

    “Como ellos tienen pensamientos tan sucios y retorcidos se cree el ladrón que todos son de su condición.” (11:48)

5. The Beatification as a Distraction

• Recent Beatification (September 2022):
  • Concostrina describes it as a “maniobra de distracción” (distraction maneuver) from ongoing suspicions of murder.
  • She pokes fun at the short pontificate: “no les dio tiempo ni a hacer estampitas.” (12:36)
  • The miracle required for beatification: A girl in Argentina allegedly cured after prayers to Juan Pablo I, despite medical intervention—Nieves mocks the attribution:

    “No se curó por los cuidados médicos en el hospital, por supuesto, sino por Juan Pablo I.” (13:32)

  • Nieves' parting shot at the Vatican’s gullibility and performance:

    “...son su movida, como si quieren salir todos en pelotas a la Plaza San Pedro, nos da igual.” (12:29)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Papal Intrigue and Deaths:

  "Los papas llevan matándose entre ellos 15 siglos y no iban a dejar de hacerlo en el siglo XX." (03:05)

• On Lack of Evidence:

  "En el Vaticano no son mucho de pruebas. En nada, en ningún tema se dice y ya está." (04:22)

• On Autopsy Refusal:

  "La Constitución Apostólica no dice nada, nada, ni a favor ni en contra [de la autopsia]." (05:01)

• On Vatican Authority & Obedience:

  "Si un cardenal dice esto ha sido un infarto y el médico está en la nómina del cardenal, pues dice claro que sí, guapi, un infarto clarísimo." (05:48)

• On the Absurdity of Beatification:

  “No les dio tiempo ni a hacer estampitas.” (12:36)
  “No se curó por los cuidados médicos en el hospital, por supuesto, sino por Juan Pablo I.” (13:32)

Timestamps of Key Segments

• 00:55 – Introduction to the Vatican and episode theme
• 01:22 – Account of John Paul I’s brief pontificate and mysterious death
• 04:05 – Vatican’s official explanation and lack of autopsy
• 06:14 – Comparison with other Popes’ deaths and medical transparency
• 08:01 – Questions about the alleged documentary evidence
• 10:14 – Testimonies of involved cardinals and contradictions
• 12:11 – Dissection of the beatification and supposed miracle
• 13:54 – Closing remarks and signature Concostrina wit

Conclusion

Nieves Concostrina, with her sharp and irreverent style, exposes the inconsistencies, biases, and opacity surrounding the death of John Paul I and the Vatican’s practices. She challenges "official truths" with biting humor, referencing the beatification as little more than a show to cover unresolved suspicions. Perfect for listeners seeking skepticism, wit, and a critical lens on both history and church authority.