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Ann Grady: Resilience and Advocacy : From the Page to Real Life with Stories that Heal.
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Tony Mantour
Welcome to why Not Me? Embracing Autism and Mental Health Worldwide hosted by Tony Mantour, broadcasting from the heart of Music City, usa, Nashville, Tennessee. Join us as our guests share their raw, powerful stories. Some will spark laughter, others will move you to tears. These real life journeys inspire, connect, and remind you that you're never alone. We're igniting a global movement to empower everyone to make a lasting difference by fostering deep awareness, unwavering acceptance and profound understanding of autism and mental health. Tune in, be inspired and join us in transforming the world one story at a time. Hi, I'm Tony Mantour. Welcome to why Not Me. Embracing Autism and Mental Health Worldwide. Joining us today is Ann Grady. She is someone whose work sits right at the intersection of empathy, lived experience and real world impact. She is an author, speaker and advocate, shining a light on autism and mental health not just through research and theory, but through honesty, compassion and lived truth. Through her books and advocacy, she challenges the stigma around neurodiversity and mental illness while giving voices to families, caregivers and individuals who are too often misunderstood or unheard. Her work doesn't just educate, it humanizes. This conversation is about resilience, understanding and what it really means to support mental health and autism with dignity and empathy. She has A great story. So before we dive into our episode, we'll be back with an uninterrupted show right after a word from our sponsors. Thanks for coming on.
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Ann Grady
Yeah, my pleasure. Thank you for having me. This new book has given me an opportunity, opportunity to share Evan's story and some of my other stories in a way that I hope resonates with your audience, I hope will help somebody out there.
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Tony Mantour
Yeah, I think that's great, and I'm sure they're going to love it if you would give us a little backstory on your son.
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Ann Grady
So I knew something was wrong when I was pregnant. My doctor joked that Evan would be a soccer player. And when he was born, it was a very hard birth. It was an emergency C section after my months of preterm labor. When he was born, the nurse came into the room and she was like, honey, I have to be honest. I've been doing this for over 30 years and I have never met a baby this angry. It's insane. And I'm like, oh, great. That's the thing a first time mom wants to hear, right? So Evan was born something not right and nobody believed me. I started him in early childhood intervention therapy when he was 11 months old. His father left when he was 18 months old. So I found myself as a single mom, and I'm consulting with all of these big companies and I'm getting on stage and doing motivational talks, and at home, I was just crumbling. I was overwhelmed. I was exhausted. And when Evan was three, he tried to kill me for the first time. By the time he was four, he was on his first antipsychotic. And then when he was 7, he was in his first pediatric psych hospital. And so I've spent my career. My master's was in communication and organizational development. I was already training and speaking and working with leaders. But this really shifted my work from a place of reaction to a place of resilience and really focusing on. On building that strength. And then at some point, I ended up with a tumor in my salivary gland like it was 2014ish. I ended up with facial paralysis and a whole bunch of other things. And then I had double fusion back surgery. And meanwhile, Evan's in and out of hospitals and treatment centers. I realized that, you know, resilience is wonderful, but it's survival, it's not growth. And so that led me to write my new book, Evolvability Growing Forward When Life Goes Sideways. Because I think for most of us, life has gone sideways on. On more than One occasion, and it's just a skill to navigate it.
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Tony Mantour
Was he diagnosed with autism, serious mental illness, or was it both?
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Ann Grady
Both. It was so hard to get a diagnosis for him because he has so many comorbidities. So adhd, autism, severe mental illness, you know, oppositional defiant disorder, he's high functioning autism, but he has developmental delays. So probably age wise, he's got three different ages. He's got his chronological age, which is 22, he's got his socioemotional age, and he's got his academic age. And it's just been a lifelong or the last 22 years. It's been a journey of acceptance and growth and discomfort and trying to find a way to turn that into a meaningful lesson that people can apply without hopefully having to go through all of that trauma.
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Tony Mantour
Unfortunately, there is a stigma. I don't like to use that word. I use perception. About autism and serious mental illness. How do you make people understand where neurodivergence ends and mental health begins, and of course, where they overlap?
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Ann Grady
It's a great question, and I'm not a psychiatrist or a neurologist or a neuropsychiatrist, but I can tell you, with Evan, it was so hard to differentiate and pick those apart because the behaviors were also intertwined. So it was virtually impossible. That's why he got his first autism diagnosis at 4. But then they thought, no, it's not autism, it's just mental illness. And then they realized, nope, it's not just mental illness, it's developmental delays. And then at 17, they're like, nope, it's absolutely autism. And so I think the challenge is it doesn't matter what the label is. What matters is how you treat it and respond to it. And it's so sad because, you know, to your point, Texas has the least mental health benefits of any state in the country. The slogan here used to be, thank God for Mississippi, but now we are dead last. So it's just heartbreaking. Evan lives 2,000 miles away from me in Idaho because he can get the services he needs there and he cannot get them in Texas. So, yeah, it's. It's a lot.
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Tony Mantour
We always had this idea in our minds of what we thought life could be and, of course, what it could be for our kids. What were the moments that you were forced to unlearn the thoughts you had learned? Then you had to look at things completely different than what you was taught and how you was brought up and raised.
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Ann Grady
I was in a support group, so I donate a portion of all my Book proceeds to the national alliance on Mental Illness. And I've been part of their classes and support groups. NAMI and one of the moms in there showed me a poem about going to Holland. And this person had planned this entire trip and they planned this whole vacation and they ended up somewhere other than Holland. And they're like, it doesn't mean it's a bad vacation, it doesn't mean it's a bad place to go, but it's just different than what you expected. And so for me, this journey of acceptance has not been. It's not a steady state. It happens in moments, Right. Evan was here over the Christmas holiday and we had some moments where I slipped back into like non acceptance. And so I think, I don't think anybody gets there and lives there permanently. I think it's a campsite we keep circling back to. And the key is to go back to focusing your energy on what you can control. And one of Evan's doctors said something to me once that really stuck with me. He said, you know, you need to practice the art of Zen. And I said, great, how do you define that? And he said, it's knowing that you've done everything you can and releasing yourself from the outcome and as parents that's so hard to do because you want to protect your kids. And just because he's 22, he's still like 7 years old mentally, and it's hard to do that, you know?
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Tony Mantour
Yeah. Now you brought up resilience. Resilience is sometimes misunderstood. Of course, some people have their definition. So what does real resilience look like for you then? Let's bring it to your son. How does it look for him in getting through his autism and of course his serious mental illness?
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Ann Grady
So everybody has a resilience buffer zone, right? Life happens to you and you could have one person who has a setback and it tables them and another person who has the same setback and they just get back up, right? So everybody, through genetics, through life experiences, childhood experiences, everybody has a different size buffer and resilience. You can't always reduce the stressors, but you can build your capacity to absorb them in a way that doesn't damage your health or your well being. And that's how I view resilience. It's not just getting back up, it's extracting meaning. It's understanding how to use that discomfort to get stronger. For Evan, it's hard because he doesn't understand a lot of that. So for us, we practice more of the skills of resilience rather than calling them resilience, they're just daily practices.
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Tony Mantour
Sure. Now, in your books you talk about the brain and various things. What do you wish people knew more and understood more on how the autistic brain processes trauma? And then of course, how mental illness processes it differently.
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Ann Grady
I think the biggest thing to know is that way more people than you think are on the autism spectrum. A lot of people that I work with didn't even get diagnosed into late adulthood. And so I think there are so many people who don't even realize they're on the spectrum. And the biggest challenges I see are with executive functioning skills, this ability to put things in a greater context, to plan, to problem solve, to recognize others emotional state and be able to regulate your own emotions, social cues, all of those components. And then you get into mental illness. And it's also a spectrum, just like autism is. Right. So it's not like you're either bipolar or not, depressed or not. Lots of people experience symptoms. When it becomes an illness is when it starts to impact your quality of life, your relationships, your ability to function. I was diagnosed with clinical depression at the age of 19, and trust me, the irony of a depressed motivational speaker is not lost on me. But a lot of people believe that it's weakness and it's biology. So I think there are some people who use mental illness as an excuse. I'm depressed, I'm anxious, therefore I can't do. And for many people, that may be true initially, but for most of us, we can start to practice these skills and build these muscles. It doesn't take the illness away, it doesn't change who you are fundamentally in your brain, but it does start allowing you to practice skills that help you recover faster, that help you feel better and live better.
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Tony Mantour
Now, if this next question is too personal, just tell me no and we'll move on to something different.
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Ann Grady
Okay.
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Tony Mantour
You mentioned you were a single mother. Unfortunately, autistic parents have a very high divorce rate. Was that part of the reason that caused it? And if it was, how did you handle it, raising this autistic child that has severe mental illness as well?
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Ann Grady
So it was part of it. My ex husband was an alcoholic and thought that Evan's illness was my parenting ability, as did our pediatrician. Right. Like if you were a better mom, if you were more consistent, then our kid would be fine. And so I found myself in a place of sheer exhaustion. I mean, I was. That's how I ended up with a tumor in my face. Right. Like you just can't operate at that level of exhaustion. But when I started to date, when I thought about getting remarried, before I would ever go on a date with my husband. We've now been married for 16 years. But before I would even go on a date with him, I told him all about Evan. I explained it after we were together for a. A while, Then I introduced him to Evan. And I'll never forget it. It was one of our first dates with Evan there, and he had an absolute and total meltdown in a restaurant, flipped a table, scared all the people out. And so you're there trying to go, I still really like you, and I still want to date you, but I get it if you want to leave now because you've seen what this can look like. So it's hard. And a lot of parents get divorced. You blame each other. You run out of skills, you run out of energy when you're going on empty, when you're just trying to survive. The. It is incredibly difficult to pour time and energy into the relationship, and relationships need time and energy and work. And when you're giving all of that energy to your kids because you're just trying to survive, it's very difficult to make time for yourself. One of Evan's therapists told us very early on, my husband Jay and I, that we needed to have a date night once a week where we did not talk about kids, we did not talk about work. We work together too now. So it was, you know, you don't talk about work, you don't talk about kids, and you realize very quickly in a relationship how much of your daily interactions boil down to logistics, you know, scheduling and what we're going to do for dinner and how we're going to get from here to there. And that was really helpful for us because it forced us to find other sides of us that we could nurture and build.
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Tony Mantour
When did you stop and decide, you know what? I have to write a book about this
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Ann Grady
in 2012. So Evan's first hospitalization was in 2010. And one of the ways I tried to cope with that, we lived at the Ronald McDonald House house for two months. And I basically had to leave my home, my job, my everything to go be at the hospital with him. And one of the ways I started coping with that was writing a blog about our experiences, about what I was learning, about what we were going through. And people reached out and would say, you know, that it was so helpful to them that they felt alone, that they didn't realize other families were going through similar challenges and so it really just became a way to help myself therapeutically, cathartically. But as soon as I realized it had meaning and value and helped other people. One of the greatest skills, whether you're trying to grow or bounce back, is to make meaning of challenging experiences. You know, they don't erase pain, but they give it a purpose. And so it's like, okay, how do I use this to make meaning out of a really tough situation that I didn't ask for, didn't want, but have. So what do you do with it? Well, I didn't want other families to have to do all of the work to recreate that wheel if they didn't have to. So I just started pouring it into books. And my first book came out in 2014. My newest book, Evolvability, will be out in two weeks. And so, yeah, I've got four of them, and I just am learning still. So every time I learn something, I write it down so somebody else can learn from it as well.
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Tony Mantour
What's the response you've seen from the books? I'm sure it must be pretty good.
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Ann Grady
I've been so incredibly grateful for the response. You know, I'm in front of audiences ranging from corporate audiences to nonprofit to government agencies. I work with. With leadership teams. I work with small groups, large groups, everyone in between. And so when I get to see all these folks and they buy books and I get to sign them, the beauty is we connect and they respond back and they share with me feedback or I'll see them at the next event. Because I work with most of my clients on an ongoing basis, the thing that I hear most is, well, it's funny, so it's easy to read. I try to, you know, make it not too serious. But the other thing is, I take really complex neuroscience and psychology and dumb it down to where I can understand it. It. And so my thing is, always talk to me like I'm three years old so I can understand it. I don't need all the theory. I don't need all of the background, but I do want to know what the strategy is and how I practice it. So the thing I hear is, thank you for making me laugh, thank you for making it simple to understand, and most importantly, thank you for the really practical skills that I can use at work or at home or anywhere in between.
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Tony Mantour
Can you give us an example on how you take things and make it more simple for people? This way they'll get a better understanding about what you're talking about.
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Ann Grady
Sure. So if you think about the brain. There's so many complexities that are involved with this amazing organ. It boils down to being a survival machine. Your brain is always looking for ways to keep you alive. It doesn't care if you're happy, it doesn't care if you're rested. It doesn't care if you're in love or feel. Work, life, balance. Your brain is only there to keep you alive. And so to do that, it magnifies anything it perceives as a threat. That could be a car careening at you or a snarky email in your inbox. And anytime that happens, we lose the ability to regulate our emotions, we lose the ability to problem solve, to have our immune system function effectively, to regulate ourselves to any higher level. Thinking is impossible when you're dysregulated. And so I teach people how to use that understanding of the brain to shift the way it works. Because you can change your brain just like any other muscle. You just have to know how.
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Tony Mantour
What do you tell people when they're struggling? What is the first step they do? How do they get from a panic number 10 to maybe a panic level of 5 or better?
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Ann Grady
The first thing is to know it's okay not to be okay. You know, we live in this happiness culture. It's like 10 or 11 billion dollars a year just in the US alone. And your brain's not supposed to be happy all the time. So what I find is that when people are struggling, they feel like they're broken and we mistake discomfort for danger. So part of it is understanding that just because you feel stress and anxiety and overwhelm, just because it feels bad doesn't mean it is bad. It's changing your relationship with the discomfort. So for example, one of the things that I believe is the reason my face recovered. I had facial paralysis as a result of this avocado sized tumor at my salivary gland. And the doctor said, your nerve is too far gone. It's not going to recover. And I said, well, can you give me some physical therapy practices, something I can do? And he said, I want you to practice gratitude. And I was like, seriously, come on. Like, I need physical therapy, not a gratitude practice. He, like, he, you know, he knows that this is my field. And so he said, go research it for a month. I want you to go research the academic studies related to gratitude. And then you come back and you tell me what you think. So I did. And you know, there are thousands of studies that document the physical and mental health benefits of it. Just looking for something to Be grateful for drops cortisol, the stress hormone, by 23%. And so it retrains your brain to look for what's right instead of what's wrong. Now, I can't. I can't prove that's why my facial nerve recovered, but I am telling you, I integrated it into my day so it wasn't like an extra thing. I started practicing while I brushed my teeth in the morning and at night, I think of three things that are going right in my life and why I'm grateful for them. I'm not even kidding. Within three or four months, my face came back after they said it wouldn't. Now, obviously, I can't. You know, it's not causation necessarily, but what gratitude does is it puts your brain in a state of safety. And so for Evan, you know, every day I'm like, tell me the best thing that happened to you today. Tell me one thing you're proud of yourself for. Tell me one thing you're excited about tomorrow. And it doesn't take the hard stuff away, but it does train your brain to offset it by looking for the good stuff as well. And that's a really powerful shift in not only your body chemistry, but your mental health and your well being.
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Tony Mantour
Looking back now, you're an author, you're a speaker, of course you're a mother. What message do you hope that families who are walking the same path that you are walking or you have walked, what do you hope that they get? And of course, understand when they feel invisible, judged, or just out of options?
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Ann Grady
One, it would be give yourself some grace. I. I mean, we do it as professionals, but as parents, we compare ourselves to everyone under the sun. Well, you know, little Bobby over there seems to be getting along fine in class. I must be doing something wrong. As a mom, I think the first thing is to give yourself some grace. You are doing the very best you can with the resources you have available right now. Now, if we could do better, we would do better, right? So one is give yourself some grace because it's a hard situation and nobody has a roadmap. The other would be to anchor yourself in what matters most. So what we did for our family is we decided on three values that we wanted to guide our behavior. What are the values that when decisions get hard, and I'll give you an example. When Evan was 15 years old, we had to make probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make in his life or in my life. He was not safe. We were not safe. Our daughter was not safe. Safe. We were exhausted. And, you know, I went to his psychiatrist and I said, look, I feel like I'm failing. I don't want to send him away, but there's no programs in Texas. The only thing we can find that will take him and be good for him is in Idaho. I don't want to send my baby away and use our life savings to do it. And he said, well, what's important to you? I said, well, our family. Family is my number one value. And he said, okay. What choice would reflect that? And when you make decisions out of stress and exhaustion, it's so hard for your brain. Making decisions under pressure is exhausting. When you know what your values are, it doesn't make hard decisions go away, but it does make them clear. What would someone who values their family do in this situation? What kind of parent do I want to be, and what would that parent do in this situation? So you're faced with so many decisions, so many problems to solve, such limited resources. I would say join a support group, take classes, educate yourself, Surround yourself with people who are kind. I can't tell you how many friends I had to let go of because of the judgment, because, well, everybody else's kids are fine. I'm not sure what your issue is, but I had to let go of those people in my life. You have to surround yourself with people who will accept you and your family as you are and be patient with you. And it's hard to do, but give yourself grace, frame your decisions and your values, and make time. If you're in a partnership with somebody else, especially when you're in a partnership, make time for that relationship, no matter what you have to do. Before we could afford it, we hired somebody. We found them on care.com, and he ended up being our savior. His name was Michael and he was in our house six days a week and we couldn't even afford to pay him. At one point, he was just doing it out of the goodness of his heart. But you need respite. You can't run on empty, right?
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Tony Mantour
Right now you have written four books. Tell us about the books, where they can find them and of course, where they can find you.
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Ann Grady
So all of my books are on Amazon. I've got 52 strategies for life, love and work. These are two to three page strateg strategies with action items on each one in a variety of different areas. Strong enough. Choosing Courage, Resilience and Triumph is based on my TED talk, Mind Over Moment. The Harness the power of Resilience. Is my third book and then my newest coming out in a couple of weeks is Evolvability Growing Forward When Life Goes Sideways. And it's a six pillar framework for adapting, leading and thriving when life does not go according to plan. They're all on Amazon and you can find me@angradygroup.com Tell us again, where did
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Tony Mantour
you say that your son is living now?
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Ann Grady
He lives in Idaho in a group home.
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Tony Mantour
How has that worked out for you, being that far away? Has it helped? What kind of difference can you see and how is he doing?
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Ann Grady
It helped in that it gave me some perspective, some space to be able to see things clearly. But it's hard because I miss him, you know, and we don't see him as often as we'd like. I think last year we saw him five or six times. Is it helping him? It's helping him to feel like he has independence and autonomy. He lives with two roommates, he has 24 hour staff. I am beyond blessed that we were able to find this program because I've been on a waiting list in Texas over 20 years to have similar services and we're still 30,000 on the list. I think it's better for him because he doesn't feel like he's being micromanaged by mom and dad. And I think it's given us some space to focus on our own mental health and our own physical health because you spend so much time caring for whoever it is that you're caring for as a caregiver role that it's easy to end up depleted. And it forced us to take a step back. You know, a week after he went to that school, my husband fell off a ladder and broke his hip, his arm and his ribs. When we went to the er, the doctor said, did you have something emotional happen lately? And we said, yeah, we had to take our son 2,000 miles away and leave him at a boarding school because we can't care for him. And the ER doctor said most falls happen after an emotional incident because you're literally off balance. So it's given us time to get our balance back.
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Tony Mantour
Of course, having that balance in life is very crucial. Have you noticed a big change in him now that he's living where he's at? I'm sure he's on medications and hopefully they're working. So have you seen an improvement in him and do you think his life is better for it?
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Ann Grady
Well, he's stable. So I mean, your definition of success changes. As a parent with a kid with special needs, I Started out going, okay, so he won't be a doctor or a lawyer. That's okay. All right, well, so he won't go to an Ivy League school. That's okay. So he'll go to a community college. College. Okay, so he won't go to college. Okay, so he'll still have a. Okay, so he won't have a job, but at least he's not in jail. He's not on drugs, he's not drinking. Your. Your bar changes. The good news is that he's not aggressive, violent, or out of control anymore. The bad news is that he doesn't really want to get out of bed or participate in life. So he spends an inordinate amount of time lying in bed and, you know, looking at his phone. And there are staff that try to get him up and moving. You know, we try to get him up and moving, but that's been our greatest challenge. And it, you know, still is a daily struggle to get him to brush his teeth and take a bath and all of those basic things that your kids just do until they don't.
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Tony Mantour
Right. You're out on the talk circuit. You're doing what you do. What does your life look like now, being out there and advocating to help the people that need their. How?
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Ann Grady
Well, it's, you know, I, I. After Evan left, I. I have a lot of good friends who I was like, I'm going to start a nonprofit. I'm going to do a podcast. I'm going to, like, we moved out into the middle of the country. Like, we sold our house in Austin, and I have this small ranch in the middle of nowhere with donkeys and cows. I had all of these plans to do more, more, more. And then I realized that sometimes stillness is the only way to heal. I do a lot of events. I travel, I speak. I do training and professional development. I do virtual programs. But I'm still in the mode of trying to heal. And so I advocate as much as I can. At my speaking events. I talk about mental health. I try to reduce the stigma of mental illness. I serve as a sounding board for so many people and mentor a lot of people who are struggling. But I'm still in my own phase of healing and evolution and trying to figure it out, too. I think we're all just doing the best we can.
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Tony Mantour
That's all you can do, is the best you can do. Are you advocating to the legislators and the people in your state that can help make change?
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Ann Grady
Absolutely. I've testified in front of the Texas legislature. I'm Very involved with, you know, making sure that I'm writing my congressman, writing my senator, making sure that I'm advocating for these mental health bills to pass. Because I think when you're standing in a legislative session, it's one thing to hear it on paper, it's another thing to have your child not have a bed available because you can't get him into a psych hospital. I mean, the only way Evan had a psychotic break in 2021, he was in the ER, he had injured himself, he had injured staff, and neither of the two psych hospitals would take him. One had no beds, one said he was too severe. And if he couldn't get a bed, then he'd be discharged. He wasn't better, but he'd be discharged. What I want people to understand is that you have to advocate for people who can't advocate for themselves. That also means small things like being kind to people when they're struggling. Right. You don't know what anybody else is going through. We're all doing the very best we can. So it's not just enough to advocate at the highest level. You're advocating in daily interactions for people who might not be able to advocate for themselves.
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Tony Mantour
Right, Right. Is there anything else you'd like to tell our listeners about what it is that you're trying to do?
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Ann Grady
I think my biggest takeaway would be don't mistake discomfort for danger or something to be avoided. That's where the growth happens. If you feel uncomfortable, take the next step. Like take one action. Reclaim your sense of agency. Anything that you can do to fuel your energy or at least keep it from draining, like most of us are attached to this 5 inch piece of hardware with no pulse. Right. It's a simple mental health strategy. Sleep with your phone in a different room. And if you're saying, well, it's my alarm clock, they make those. There are things that you can do daily, microhabits that you can take. And I outline a ton of them in this book because I wish somebody had been able to hand me, you know, a guide to say, here's what you. You can do to protect yourself mentally, physically, emotionally. So anytime you're uncomfortable, you're building the capacity to build resilience and to go to your next level of evolution. Embrace the discomfort. Sit in the sock. It's not comfortable, but it's where all the growth happens.
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Tony Mantour
Yeah, absolutely. Well, this has been great, great information, great conversation. I really appreciate you taking the time to join us today.
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Ann Grady
Thank you for all of your advocacy work and bringing awareness and I absolutely love your show and appreciate what you're doing in this. Thank you for having me.
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Tony Mantour
Oh, it's been my pleasure. Thanks again. Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to listen to our show today. We hope you enjoyed it as much as we enjoyed bringing it to you. If you know someone who has a story to share, tell them to contact us at why not why notme World? One last thing, spread the word about why Not Me? Our conversations are inspiring guests that show you are not alone in this world.
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Ann Grady
McDonald's, a McDouble is 250, so you can get your gym gains on or
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Tony Mantour
just get lunch for only 2.50. Get more value on the under $3 menu. Limited time only. Prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery brought
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Capital One Savor Card Announcer
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Tony Mantour
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Capital One Savor Card Announcer
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Tony Mantour
It really does help the show to grow.
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Capital One Savor Card Announcer
Thank you for listening.