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Isaac Mizrahi
Hi, I'm Isaac Mizrahi and I've got a new podcast called hello Isaac. During my career I've made friends with some amazing celebrities and experts and I'm always curious about their paths to success. On this podcast I get to share our fun and intimate conversations with you friends like Andy Cohen, Margaret Cho bendelacreme, Belinda Carlisle, Jesse Tyler Ferguson and Carson Kressley, just to name a few. Listen to hello Isaac on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Cassidy
About a hundred.
Isaac Mizrahi
Okay, posh show. Posh show. Toss show for show. Hey everybody, it's Tosh Show Tuesday. Woo. Eddie, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm great. How long did it take you to get here today? Hour and a half? Hour 45. This is the first day that you came here to Malibu via the Pacific Coast Highway. The PCH after the fires closed. How traumatic was it?
Cassidy
It's different. It's it's sad.
Isaac Mizrahi
You don't want to go, though. Don't go. You.
Daniel Tosh
You said you haven't done it yet, right?
Cassidy
You're not going to do it?
Isaac Mizrahi
No, I don't. I don't. I don't drive through the burn areas right now, but I will. I would like to point out, I'm not saying that. That. That I put a mouth on it and caused all of this, but remember when I said the fix to making PCH safer was to slow the speed limit down considerably. Right. And not allow people to park on the side of the highway? Well, currently the PCH, the speed limit has been dropped to 25 miles an hour. You are not allowed to park anywhere on the side. And guess what? Zero deaths.
Cassidy
Yep.
Isaac Mizrahi
So I guess. I mean, it seems odd that I would want this in this current moment, but you're welcome. By the way. The wildfires, and rightfully so, have gotten tons of global coverage. You know, they always talk about, well, what's important is life and you don't want people to die. So all the other stuff can be replaced. And then we had another tragedy in D.C. with that flight that collided with the helicopter and 67 people were killed. I mean, I'm just pointing out that in the fires, 29 people were killed. Global coverage, twice as many people killed on American Eagle flight, and it's less. And I'm just saying one of those was life, and the other is about a lot of stuff. The point that I'm making here is that we do care about stuff. We don't care about people as much as we should. Whoa. Wasn't ready for that heavy take on Tosh show.
Cassidy
I mean, you gave up on stuff.
Isaac Mizrahi
A long time ago. Oh, man, you've been out. I got a lot of stuff. I got to get rid of it. In even bigger news, Luka to the Lakers. Well, as a lifelong Laker hater, this couldn't be more perfect for me. Oh, is he easy to hate? Are you telling me for the next decade I get to watch him go like this after every non call? I was fouled. Look at my fat, pasty body. You can see the marks and I as a twofer. You know, it also knocks down a few more people in the pecking order of Laker. Great. You have Lebron and you're going to have Luca. You had Shaq, Kareem Magic, James Worthy, and then Kobe. Wow, he pushes him out. Kobe getting knocked all the way down. I'll take your comments off air. I don't know, Luca. They say he Just couldn't stay in shape. And now he's going to the lakers, where a 40 year old LeBron James spends $1 million. Who's his physical therapist? Dr. Evil. $1 million a year to keep LeBron at 40 in top physical condition. Luca, famously, during the off season, I'm told, has two dozen Slovenian sausages a day. That's his regimen. You don't want to guard a man that's had a couple dozen Slovenian sausages. Sweating out the pores. That's not good. Having the meat sweats out there. Oh, you don't, you don't, you don't want to press up against him. He's slippery. And you need to be slippery when you got a six inch vertical. Oh, and guess what. You won't believe this. I have another poop story we gotta start.
Cassidy
It has to be a sting for these now.
Isaac Mizrahi
All right, let's create a sting for the poop stories. Poop story number 341. I feel like, because I talk about it, that more and more poop related things are entering my life. Now. I've told you in the past that my beloved Carl has occasionally dabbled in the poop cuisine. He's had one of my daughter's turds a time or two. Well, as you know, I bought a pig. I didn't, but the wife and her cousin did. And this pig, when he was brought into our lives at, I think at eight weeks old, was seven pounds. Okay. Now we're at four months in. He's currently 25 pounds and oh my goodness will eat any dog poop that's in the yard. So I'm like, now, whenever my dogs go, everyone has strict instructions to, to quickly bag it before potato gets it. Okay, well, the other day, I have a pile of these bagged dog droppings that I save for the gardener to get rid of. Well, potato found that area ripped into the bags. There's probably 10, 15 bags each bag. Probably two, two to five poops. That's how I do it. You know, you pick one or two or three up. Depends on how small they are when you're, when you're cleaning up the yard. My educated guess is he probably ate, you know, his body weight and poop. So now I have to like bag it and get rid of it and put it in the trash can. It's all, it's, it's a lot of work. By the way, this pig still sleeps in my bedroom. Cutest thing in the world. I'm pretty sure this is how Ava, my old dog is going to die because she. Her weight is less and less. She's probably eight or nine pounds now. She sleeps in her dog bed and then the 25 pound pig crawls on top of her and basically suffocates her all night long. And she tends to love it. They constantly are spooning. I got a photo of her putting her little paw over the top of the pig. They just, they sleep together constantly. By the way, he doesn't, sometimes he doesn't even wait for the dogs to go poop. I've caught him going up to Ava while she was napping and just eating from the tap. Just come on. Yeah. 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Paw show if there is a heaven, my guest today would get in without a problem. She's rescued over 100 dogs from being euthanized and now trains pooches full time right here in Los Angeles. She's a real treat to have on today's show. Please welcome Cassidy.
Cassidy
That was great. Thank you.
Isaac Mizrahi
Thank you for being here.
Cassidy
Thanks for having me.
Isaac Mizrahi
Do you believe in ghosts?
Cassidy
I believe in spirit guides. So is that the same thing?
Isaac Mizrahi
Yes.
Cassidy
Okay. And yes.
Isaac Mizrahi
Do you believe in dog ghosts?
Cassidy
Yeah.
Isaac Mizrahi
So, like, every species on the planet has their own ghost after death?
Cassidy
I don't know. I go back and forth sometimes. I think some things reincarnate into something else and other things stay as ghosts.
Isaac Mizrahi
Good to know. I feel like that's still figuring it out. Well, you let me know when you get there.
Cassidy
I will.
Isaac Mizrahi
Where are you originally from?
Cassidy
I am from Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Isaac Mizrahi
How long did you live there?
Cassidy
I lived there until I was 18, and then I moved to Duluth, Minnesota, where I went to college and stayed a few years after. Very cold.
Isaac Mizrahi
One of my screensavers on an old computer was. My dog was walking on a. A pier with a little tiny lighthouse at the end of it. And that was in Duluth.
Cassidy
You. You've been to Duluth?
Isaac Mizrahi
Sure. You thought, well, how else would that story be relevant?
Cassidy
I don't know if you photoshopped your dogs into it.
Isaac Mizrahi
No one's photoshopping Duluth.
Cassidy
That's very true. Duluth is so beautiful. I always say it's a hidden gem of the Midwest.
Isaac Mizrahi
Do you know what I'm talking about? The little lighthouse.
Daniel Tosh
Yes, of course.
Cassidy
In Canal.
Isaac Mizrahi
Yeah, Little lighthouse. Oh, man, I remember that.
Cassidy
Yeah. It's beautiful.
Isaac Mizrahi
Do you go. Do you still have family in Tulsa?
Cassidy
I do. All my whole family's in Tulsa.
Isaac Mizrahi
Tulsa, I mean, just a real awful town. True or false?
Cassidy
True. I don't love it. I think everyone says it's up and coming.
Isaac Mizrahi
What?
Cassidy
I feel like it's 50.
Isaac Mizrahi
No one has ever said Tulsa is up.
Cassidy
And everyone there says it's up and coming.
Isaac Mizrahi
Huh.
Cassidy
I still think it's 10, 15 years behind.
Isaac Mizrahi
There used to be a crappy comedy club that I worked as a young comedian in Tulsa. And it was a J. It was. It shared a building with a nightclub.
Cassidy
It's probably still there.
Isaac Mizrahi
Well, and the nightclub at the time was played a lot of heavy bass, hip hop music. And it was just funny because I'd be performing and you'd just hear bass coming through the walls. And I was like, this is not good.
Cassidy
I haven't been because I was 18 when I left, so I've never really gone out in Tulsa.
Isaac Mizrahi
Well, sure. This. This is way before your time.
Cassidy
It might still be there, though.
Isaac Mizrahi
Favorite college football team?
Cassidy
Sooners.
Isaac Mizrahi
I didn't. I didn't know if you were like, I don't. Don't care at all. But you.
Cassidy
I mean, I don't watch it, but sure.
Isaac Mizrahi
I feel like, you know, my favorite Sooners game was what? That game. It was like a couple years ago, maybe it was longer. Where after they scored, the trailer flipped over and the girl flew out. Horses were just dragging her around.
Cassidy
Yep, I remember that.
Isaac Mizrahi
Oh, that was delightful. That was delightful. So you finish in Duluth. What did you study?
Cassidy
Communications.
Isaac Mizrahi
With dogs?
Cassidy
No, no, no. They do have degrees for that kind of stuff now, though.
Isaac Mizrahi
Do they really?
Cassidy
I don't know. I've heard of it.
Isaac Mizrahi
That's a better answer.
Cassidy
I haven't endeavored.
Isaac Mizrahi
Okay, so you had a degree in communications? I used to tell people I had a minor in communications, but I don't think I did.
Cassidy
Probably not.
Isaac Mizrahi
I think I just lied about it. Why did I lie about it?
Cassidy
Did you have a major?
Isaac Mizrahi
Yeah, I had a degree in marketing.
Cassidy
Oh. They're very similar. There's a lot of overlap.
Isaac Mizrahi
I'm sure I had classes in communications, but didn't. All right, so what was your big plan when you were in college?
Cassidy
I did not have one. My plan was to get out of college as soon as possible.
Isaac Mizrahi
That was my plan. So did you finish early?
Cassidy
Yes, I graduated at 20.
Isaac Mizrahi
And is that a full year early?
Cassidy
It was a full year early, and I didn't really know what I wanted to do. I was waiting tables at the time, and I just kind of stayed in Duluth waiting tables. And I guess the way I got into dogs, I kind of went. I call it the rescue rabbit hole. You kind of spiral when you get into the rescue world. I found, for me, at least. And I basically saw a disconnect where. Where I'm from in Tulsa, dogs are buy one, get one from the shelter, and they're like $10. And there's just a ton of strays, kind of like Southern California, so they're being euthanized a lot. And then I would take them to Minnesota to be adopted, where dogs Cost way more to adopt.
Isaac Mizrahi
So real quick, they're. The dogs aren't euthanized in Southern California.
Cassidy
Yeah, they are. Yeah, there's a lot of overcrowding in the shelters.
Isaac Mizrahi
Oh, man.
Cassidy
Especially in like Bakersfield and.
Isaac Mizrahi
Okay, I don't know. We'll get into whether I consider Bakersfield, Southern California, but fair enough. So you started illegally.
Cassidy
Yes.
Isaac Mizrahi
Adopting dogs in Tulsa, bringing them up to Minnesota, the great folks of Minnesota.
Cassidy
Yes.
Isaac Mizrahi
And charging them 700 bucks per dog?
Cassidy
No, I did not charge. I only charged what I.
Isaac Mizrahi
Most of them. To cover your expense?
Cassidy
To cover the expense. And to be honest, most time I never collected.
Isaac Mizrahi
So you were just rescuing dogs?
Cassidy
Yeah.
Isaac Mizrahi
Did you ever see that real depressing movie with what's her name? Who? That's how I talk about people. Because I never know actors names from snl and she. What was her name? She's the one that smelled her armpits. Molly, Shannon. And then she just went on this, got just. Her life just became about helping rescue dogs. And then the end of it, it's just like her happy kind of. It's just depressing the whole movie. And she has thousands of dogs with her.
Cassidy
Was she happy with the thousands of dogs?
Isaac Mizrahi
What's the name of this movie? Year of the Dog.
Cassidy
No, I haven't seen it. One thing about me is I haven't seen a lot of movies.
Isaac Mizrahi
There's no. Nobody has seen this movie. Yeah, they're all freaking out right back there that I pulled this movie from a Rolodex of randomness that I've seen. I'll check it out anyway. It might be your life story.
Cassidy
I hope it's not, to be honest.
Isaac Mizrahi
It was depressing.
Cassidy
I hope it's not my life story.
Isaac Mizrahi
Have you ever smelled your armpits?
Cassidy
Don't we all doing yoga? I don't know, laying there?
Isaac Mizrahi
No, I don't do yoga.
Cassidy
Do you ever lay like this?
Isaac Mizrahi
Oh, yes. If it's ripe, I call in. I call in the wife immediately.
Cassidy
What does she do?
Isaac Mizrahi
I got a good one. She's like, what? I'm like, smell this. And she's like, ah. You know, it's what we do. Smells are my thing. I like smells, foul and otherwise. Say what you will, I don't care. Judge me. How many back and forths did you do from Tulsa to Duluth?
Cassidy
I have to. I have not counted. I'd have to look at my archives.
Daniel Tosh
A dozen probably.
Cassidy
It got to a point where I would just do it like I would come home for Thanksgiving because I didn't tell my Parents. I was doing this because I don't want them to worry.
Isaac Mizrahi
Yeah, yeah. It was. At first, it was like, you're like a drug mule, but with pooches.
Cassidy
Yeah. And I would drive, break it up into days. Sometimes we'd sneak into a motel in Iowa.
Isaac Mizrahi
Who's we?
Cassidy
Me and the dogs.
Isaac Mizrahi
Okay.
Cassidy
Me, myself, and the dogs.
Isaac Mizrahi
Oh, my goodness.
Cassidy
And then we bring this stuff up.
Isaac Mizrahi
On a first date by chance.
Cassidy
No, I actually don't talk about it, to be honest. I just started talking about it again. It got to a point where they started driving the dogs. They would drive them to Iowa, or they would drive them to Wisconsin.
Isaac Mizrahi
Your folks?
Cassidy
No, the rescue. Sorry. Like, people from the shelter. So there are people who commit their whole lives to transporting these dogs across the country. It's insane, but they'll basically load up a huge sprinter van of like, 50 dogs, crates stacked on top of each other, and they drive them across the country to go to northern shelters where there's not. There's more demand.
Isaac Mizrahi
Why is Tulsa so littered with stray dogs?
Cassidy
I have theories. I think it's just the south, because.
Isaac Mizrahi
Do you consider Tulsa the South?
Cassidy
No, but it's warmer climates, so it's warm enough for animals to survive in. So a lot of people, if they are torn between getting rid of their dog, there's no one to take the dog. They can either dump the dog or take them to a shelter, and they're probably going to be euthanized at the shelter. Then they're just going to dump the dog, because then that dog can at least go and live their life in nature. And then if they're not spayed and neutered, then they procreate. And then we have a plethora of dogs. Whereas in the north, if you were faced with the same concept or same problem dilemma, you wouldn't dump your dog, because, you know, that dog would just freeze to death, and that would just be wrong.
Isaac Mizrahi
I grew up always having dogs. Okay. But this. You're not gonna like this story.
Cassidy
That's okay.
Isaac Mizrahi
Okay. But I'm a huge dog advocate now. But when I. My parents moved constantly, and whenever we moved, my dad just got rid of our dog. Like, the dog didn't come with us.
Cassidy
It was very common.
Isaac Mizrahi
And I was always like. I never even thought to be like, well, why wouldn't we just bring our dog? He's like, you don't. You're not gonna bring a Saint Bernard to Florida. And I'm like, well, fair enough.
Cassidy
That's not terrible, though.
Isaac Mizrahi
I know, but, like, Let me tell you, it wasn't like he went and sought out a good family. It was just. The dog just is gone.
Cassidy
Yeah.
Isaac Mizrahi
Well, that's one scenario. One time, my rabbit. My mom's like, well, we're moving. You can't bring your rabbit. I'm like, well, why can't I? That wasn't even a conversation.
Cassidy
That's so sad. I'm so sorry.
Isaac Mizrahi
Listen, a lot of this stuff is the issues that you see before you. But now, I mean, good grief. I get so attached to it.
Cassidy
Yeah, you'd never.
Isaac Mizrahi
And I don't even care about the pain that I go through when one of them dies. I just keep doing it. I'm like, whatever, here we go again.
Cassidy
Yeah, it's pretty excruciating.
Isaac Mizrahi
Oh, it's rough.
Cassidy
So, for example, when Covid hit, it was. All the shelters in Minnesota were emptied because people were staying at. They had time to go foster a dog.
Isaac Mizrahi
I mean, the whole country almost got rid of all of our shelter dogs.
Cassidy
During COVID The problem doubled because people were thinking that their dogs were going to give them Covid.
Isaac Mizrahi
Oh, see, okay.
Cassidy
So there's just.
Isaac Mizrahi
I didn't even know about those people.
Cassidy
It got really bad in Tulsa around that time. And also not even just that, but then people couldn't. They got laid off. They couldn't afford their dog. They couldn't afford another mouth to feed. So then they would dump their dog because they didn't have a job. So I think it's a. I do think that if people's needs were met, then they wouldn't need to get rid of their dogs when times got hard.
Isaac Mizrahi
You know what rabbit hole I used to go down?
Cassidy
What?
Isaac Mizrahi
I don't do it anymore, but I used to go down adopting children. You'd, like, look into foster kids, and you'd see these videos that they make of themselves, and they're cute. They're doing the big song and dance like, I'm great. Come on, give me a home. And it would just tear me apart. But I'd watch these videos. But then what happened was years would go by, and I'd see the same kids four years later. Like me and my sister still looking for a family. And it was just. It's just heartbreaking.
Cassidy
That would be horrible.
Isaac Mizrahi
Oh, it's horrible. You just see them age.
Cassidy
That's at 20. I wasn't ready for that, so I went the dog route.
Isaac Mizrahi
You went to the dog route?
Cassidy
Yeah.
Isaac Mizrahi
What does red listed mean for a shelter dog?
Cassidy
Euthanasia listed. So that. That means that they'll say, this dog is red listed for 2:00pm and that means that they will be euthanized at 2:00pm Yeah, I don't follow those pages anymore. No, I try not to.
Isaac Mizrahi
And like, what do you do? Hustle down there?
Cassidy
Yes. Or people are posting, they're pledging money, money that's never collected because you can just comment on Instagram and say, I pledge $50. And then someone's like, great, I grabbed the dog. Where's that $50 to help with the dog. Got it for medical bills. And then you don't hear from them.
Isaac Mizrahi
How many dogs have you found homes for in your life?
Cassidy
About a hundred.
Isaac Mizrahi
And how many dogs have you fostered?
Cassidy
Probably over a hundred. I think I stopped counting at like 40 because I was just like, you.
Isaac Mizrahi
Rename those foster dogs or.
Cassidy
No, I'll name them. Sometimes I'll keep their shelter names. Sometimes they just have a kennel code name. Like a number. It'll be like a 10,379.
Isaac Mizrahi
And when did you make the voyage out west?
Cassidy
I came out west three years ago.
Isaac Mizrahi
What do your parents say when someone in Oklahoma ask what you're up to these days?
Cassidy
That's a good one. My dad goes. My dad says, well, Cassidy's our free spirit child. She's out in California living with the Manson crew.
Isaac Mizrahi
The shoe fits.
Cassidy
Yep. And people don't train dogs in Oklahoma especially, so this career doesn't really exist there as much. So they don't really understand it or see it as a career.
Isaac Mizrahi
When did you start going to prisons?
Cassidy
I started going two years ago and.
Isaac Mizrahi
Explain to people what you do there.
Cassidy
So the Positive Change program is a program ran by Marlies Mutts, a rescue in Tehachapi. And they pair dogs who would otherwise be euthanized with people living in prison. And then the. The people, the inmates train the dogs and then the dogs become adopted.
Isaac Mizrahi
It sounds great. Now, if you were to give me the choice, death or prison, I'm not sure which one I would take.
Cassidy
I don't know either.
Isaac Mizrahi
Is it only male prisons?
Cassidy
I've done the a women's prison, and right now I'm a part of two male prisons.
Isaac Mizrahi
Do you have to bring cats to the women's prisons?
Cassidy
No.
Isaac Mizrahi
It doesn't seem like that would be the right scenario. By the way, do you fuck with cats?
Cassidy
I like cats. I don't know anything about training cats. People ask me that a lot. No idea. I like cats, though. I think more people should get cats.
Isaac Mizrahi
Why?
Cassidy
Because I think more people want something that can just cuddle them on their couch and then stay home all day while they leave. You have so much more freedom when you have a cat versus when you have a dog. A dog has a lot of responsibility, and I just don't think a lot of people realize that, but it's true. My parents tried to lecture me on that, and I was like, yeah, yeah, I know we had dogs growing up, but I didn't realize how much my mom did for our dogs.
Isaac Mizrahi
Was your first experience with professional dog training in a prison?
Cassidy
No. Okay. Nope. I had a couple of mentors that I worked under for a little bit. To be honest, I kind of started doing it. So had I not left Minnesota, I arguably created the perfect business plan for myself because I brought all of these rescue dogs to Minnesota, and now all those dogs need training. So I kind of created a problem that I then became a trainer and could have had a solution for. But I left to come to California to learn more from other trainers. But I do still keep in touch with a lot of them, and they'll call me with training questions. So I kind of started doing it really just to keep these dogs out of my house and get them adopted and successfully. I was like, if you want to adopt this dog, this is the best way to transition them into your house. So I would help them with that. And then a lot of people told me, like, kind of pushed me and encouraged me to start trying to do this professionally. And ultimately, I wanted to do the Positive Change Program. That was a huge. Very early in my rescuing days, when I was struggling with Lana biting other dogs, I found the Positive Change program on social media, and then I found trainers through there and clicked on trainers. They would share. And I just kind of went down this journey of trying these different methods and applying what worked and teaching it to other people.
Isaac Mizrahi
What do your services cost us? And you better. You should probably say a higher number than normal, just in case.
Cassidy
So I'm building. I'm getting my website launched right now. So I've just changed kind of what I'm offering my services. My private lessons are 250 an hour for a private lesson. I offer daily training, which is four days a week. So I'll come to your house for an hour a day, four days a week. And that is 600 a week.
Isaac Mizrahi
Four. Now. Do I have to be present for that?
Cassidy
No, you do have to be present for one. So every Friday you have to be there.
Isaac Mizrahi
I gotta hang out with you for.
Cassidy
An hour every Friday, practice over the weekend, because this is what's so hard is that I'm not like selling you this mug and charging you and then you're like, great, I love the mug. It really. It's kind of like if you hired a personal trainer because you wanted to get fit, but then you didn't do any of the work, then you're not gonna see the results you want. But then that reflects for some reason when it comes to dog training, people don't put that together necessarily. And then that reflects on me being a shitty dog trainer because you didn't practice anything I taught you.
Isaac Mizrahi
I agree, I agree with what you're saying. Like I look at all the things that I refuse to do. It's always like, you know, mental health. I won't see anybody, won't talk to anybody, trainer won't do it. I just want to avoid those interactions. Yet anything else where it's something like, I could clean my deck. I refuse to. That I would hire somebody for, but I would all the things that are important to make you a better person, to make people around you happier. And I'm like, nope. Like couples there. No.
Cassidy
A lot of people don't hire a dog trainer until their dog. I didn't do anything training wise until Lana was attacking other dogs and then I was like, oh, if someone couldn't.
Isaac Mizrahi
Afford your services, what advice would you give them for trying to train their own dog?
Cassidy
There is so much free content out there and it can be really confusing and overwhelming to people because there's such differing philosophies when it comes to training. I would say just try it, try something, stick with it for a little bit. If it doesn't work, try something else.
Isaac Mizrahi
Do reward based systems work long term?
Cassidy
They can kind of, but then at some point like you're not going to have a treat on you, so you have to figure something else out.
Isaac Mizrahi
Well, right. But rewards don't have to be a treat. Rewards can be.
Cassidy
Rewards can be affection. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Isaac Mizrahi
That's all I do, I always, I just reach in my pocket like I have a treat.
Cassidy
So you trick your dog constantly. Got it.
Isaac Mizrahi
You thought I had something I don't do. I don't like. I don't like the way treats feel in my pocket.
Cassidy
What about a fanny pack?
Isaac Mizrahi
I wear a fanny pack more for fashion, not for great, not for function there.
Cassidy
I'm not putting treats in fashionable fanny pack.
Isaac Mizrahi
Oh, the treats smell.
Cassidy
They do smell. They smell.
Isaac Mizrahi
Yeah. I don't. I told you, I'm into smells. I don't like it.
Cassidy
Yeah, I've Always smelled like dog and dog treats.
Isaac Mizrahi
My dad used to not let us have Doritos as a child.
Cassidy
Cause they stunk.
Isaac Mizrahi
He said they. He always would say they smell like a sweaty dog.
Cassidy
Really?
Isaac Mizrahi
He would scream at us, get those out of the house. We're not having Doritos. Isn't that weird?
Cassidy
All the flavors?
Isaac Mizrahi
No, just nachos.
Cassidy
Just nachos.
Isaac Mizrahi
I don't think Cool Ranch smelled like a dog to him.
Cassidy
I think that one has a stronger scent.
Isaac Mizrahi
It probably does. Maybe it was Cool Ranch too. I have no idea. That's so silly. Yeah. What about those bark collars? Do you like bark collars?
Cassidy
I haven't used a bark collar. Personally, I'm not against them. I do use electric E collars, electronic collars. I'll use very low levels.
Isaac Mizrahi
We cranked ours up to max with my dog. He didn't care at all. He barked right through it.
Cassidy
Because you have to teach him what it means.
Isaac Mizrahi
Yeah, it's just like. And then he's just like. I think he was getting stronger.
Cassidy
Yeah.
Isaac Mizrahi
I don't know what was happening. All of a sudden he just started.
Cassidy
Like, did you just buy one and put it on your dog and just see what happened?
Isaac Mizrahi
I don't know how I introduced it to him, but I just know that it was on like a nothing setting and we got no reaction.
Cassidy
So then you just.
Isaac Mizrahi
We just kept cranking it up.
Cassidy
Yeah. And that's one way to do it.
Isaac Mizrahi
It didn't work.
Cassidy
That's not the way he doesn't do it.
Isaac Mizrahi
Then I bought this little frequency noise thing that when he barks, you're supposed to press it and it does a noise that they don't like.
Cassidy
And then does it. Did he stop?
Isaac Mizrahi
Well, here's my thing. Right around the time my other dog, who has dementia, I was like, well, now she's getting a side effect of your bad behavior. I can't do. I couldn't in good faith do. It went all crazy over here, is like, what the fuck was that?
Cassidy
Yeah, it's a little unfair.
Isaac Mizrahi
It's not fair. Right. I didn't have a solution to that problem.
Cassidy
Is your other dog still barking?
Isaac Mizrahi
Oh, yeah, constantly. Again, I don't care. I was trying to make my partner, you know, less agitated. Yeah, that ship sailed. Did you ever do the whatchamacallit leashes with the prongs? The prongs?
Cassidy
I don't use them.
Isaac Mizrahi
I don't use them.
Cassidy
I like E collar over prong.
Isaac Mizrahi
Personally, I have a wide band choke collar. Is that acceptable?
Cassidy
I mean, Anything's acceptable. You just have to teach the dog what it means.
Isaac Mizrahi
My dog walks. Fine, then.
Cassidy
Great, then that's not.
Isaac Mizrahi
Yeah, he likes to lead, and I kind of always pull them back. Should I do that or should I let him? Is it okay to let him lead.
Cassidy
If you're not working through any behavior issues? It just depends on what you want. Doctor Typically walks in front of me, but Lana stays by my side.
Isaac Mizrahi
I always like those cool dog owners that go leashless and the dog just stays right next to and they're not affected by anything.
Cassidy
I know I saw one down there.
Isaac Mizrahi
As soon as I see it, though, I'm just like, whatever. You just have more time on your hands. I'm at home spending time with friends and family. Jerk.
Cassidy
Mm.
Isaac Mizrahi
Can you train any dog, hypothetically?
Cassidy
I'm still kind of early in my career, so I don't wanna be naive and think I could train any dog. And then I get a dog and I'm like, can't do that.
Isaac Mizrahi
Okay. I've never had a trainer for any of my dogs. I've had trainers come to my house and start, but then 30 minutes in, I'm just like, when is this person leaving? Because they do too much for me. Read the room. You know, here's my thing. I don't have dogs that are gonna hurt me physically. Everything else. Oh, you mean. I just need to do. Spend a lot of time. Repetition. Do it every day. So I'm like, I don't. This is getting silly. I don't need this.
Cassidy
I mean, growing up, we didn't have a trainer. Like, our dogs were perfect. I didn't know dogs needed training.
Isaac Mizrahi
Is that just an LA thing where these people are just lazy and they want you to do the work for them?
Cassidy
I think that's part of it. But I also think the expectations in modern society that we put on dogs in cities like LA, NY, just busier cities, like, so. Lana used to be so reactive. Every time I stepped outside of the house, she'd be lunging if a leaf crinkled.
Isaac Mizrahi
Okay.
Cassidy
And if I lived in an apartment in la, I have to get her out of the house three to four times a day to go potty. That's non negotiable. So I can't have her acting like that. So I think it's more necessity. But also, everybody wants a patio puppy, which is also fine. I love taking my dogs to sit on patios.
Isaac Mizrahi
But is that a term that I should have known? Patio puppy?
Cassidy
No, I kind of just made it up. But that is like, an expectation. We put a lot of expectations on our dogs in LA and busier cities. Everybody wants to be able to take their dog running off leash at the beach with other dogs and not have anything happen. And I agree. I do think, to me, dog training is a more spiritual experience.
Isaac Mizrahi
That's when I would be like, I'm out.
Cassidy
And that's when you're like, I'm checking out. So how does. Would your wife stick around?
Isaac Mizrahi
No, no, she doesn't like dogs.
Cassidy
Oh, then yeah, she definitely wouldn't. Yeah. So it's just about like, I. But if your dog isn't endangering you.
Isaac Mizrahi
Right.
Cassidy
Then I don't really care. Like, I'll meet you where you're at.
Isaac Mizrahi
What's the hardest breed to train?
Cassidy
Huskies.
Isaac Mizrahi
Huskies, yeah.
Cassidy
Or German shepherds. They're just really opposite. So German shepherds are hard to train because they're so owner oriented that they need constant information. And huskies are the opposite, where they couldn't give two shits about you and just want to go be feral.
Isaac Mizrahi
Let's talk pit bull for a second.
Cassidy
Okay.
Isaac Mizrahi
Are you. You love them?
Cassidy
I like pit bulls. Yeah.
Isaac Mizrahi
Are you afraid of them?
Cassidy
No. These two are. I mean, he's kind of pit bull, She's a pit bull.
Isaac Mizrahi
See, I've. My brother always has pits. Rescue pits. I love them, but I'm always like, don't get mad at me because I'm.
Cassidy
Not, you know, putting your face up to.
Isaac Mizrahi
I'll do that. I'll even do that because I'm not worried about it, but I understand. It's like a Havanese is not gonna kill someone.
Cassidy
No.
Isaac Mizrahi
Under any circumstance. No matter how poor, poorly trained they are. Some dogs have consequences, other dogs don't.
Cassidy
Yeah, exactly. Owning a pitbull is a way bigger responsibility, in my opinion.
Isaac Mizrahi
I have a burn a doodle.
Cassidy
Oh, okay.
Isaac Mizrahi
Yeah, one burn a doodle.
Cassidy
I like doodles. I don't. I think everybody thinks that they're getting one thing, and then I've definitely trained some pretty intense doodles, but I. I think overall they have pretty good demeanors. I like them.
Isaac Mizrahi
I'm happy with mine. The things that people don't like about my dog I actually like. Like when somebody new comes in the house, big bark.
Cassidy
Oh, yeah.
Isaac Mizrahi
I like it. Oh, my good.
Cassidy
That's the thing, and that's what I tell a lot of clients is I. My dogs are far from this perfect standard of what a dog trainer's dog should be. If you came into my house, my dogs would be rushing to the door, jumping on you and barking because they're letting me know like someone's here. They're going to quickly settle down and I can call them off. And if I, I know how through that behavior if I wanted to, but I just don't really care to.
Isaac Mizrahi
What about those people that buy $80,000 German shepherds?
Cassidy
That's insane.
Isaac Mizrahi
That only like all the Command 9.
Cassidy
You have to scream at them like.
Isaac Mizrahi
They like basically take care of their children.
Cassidy
Dogs. What is it like bite work dogs or like sports dogs, something. Yeah, I'm not too into the sports world. It's super opposite, not obvious. These are like security dogs, personal protection dogs. Yeah. That's a huge responsibility too. I think people just don't realize the responsibility that goes into that. And I know some people who let their guard down and the dog went after a kid or something awful like that. And then it's just unfortunate for everyone involved.
Isaac Mizrahi
Yeah.
Cassidy
Because the dog was arguably doing their job.
Isaac Mizrahi
Just give me that money.
Cassidy
That's a lot. Yeah, I know. I'm just like, there's. I could do so much for shelters with that money.
Isaac Mizrahi
Well, see, that's what I do. I buy really expensive designer dogs then. Okay. The guilt from what I've done makes me cut checks to best friends. That's who I always work with. Good.
Cassidy
It should.
Isaac Mizrahi
For decades. I'm just like, ugh, fine.
Cassidy
Looking at your doodle and you're like, here's another check.
Isaac Mizrahi
Right. So I feel like it serves a purpose.
Cassidy
Yeah.
Isaac Mizrahi
My dog creates guilt.
Cassidy
Great.
Isaac Mizrahi
Also my allergies. People always say, oh, you get a hyperallergenic dog, you have allergies. I, I can't put a new shirt on without sneezing for 45.
Cassidy
You're still allergic to your doodle?
Isaac Mizrahi
No, not really. But like dogs I can.
Cassidy
Oh, right. Yeah.
Isaac Mizrahi
I can start feeling it.
Cassidy
I used to be allergic to dogs.
Isaac Mizrahi
Yeah.
Cassidy
Yeah. Get rid of it eventually.
Isaac Mizrahi
You like chihuahuas?
Cassidy
Yeah, I do.
Isaac Mizrahi
Do they outnumber pit bulls in, in the shelter?
Cassidy
I don't think they outnumber them because people want small dogs so they'll tolerate like a poorly behaved chihuahua. And to be honest, I don't think everybody should go rescue the red listed pit bull. I think that there's a lot of really good, well demeanored pitties that are up for adoption that you can definitely go just get, get to know the dog.
Isaac Mizrahi
Don't ever read the comments on any of my videos. I'm not going to because it's just people just awful.
Cassidy
Yeah.
Isaac Mizrahi
I just can't handle it. They just try to find.
Cassidy
Oh, boy. But they have nothing going on.
Isaac Mizrahi
German shepherds are not the hardest dog to train. She's an idiot.
Cassidy
Like, okay, this girl's never trained dogs in her life.
Isaac Mizrahi
Doesn't matter. Everybody that's on the show gets a gift. Your gift is not. It's just stuff from my house.
Cassidy
Oh, great.
Isaac Mizrahi
That I don't want. That's all I ever give away.
Cassidy
Okay, cool.
Isaac Mizrahi
But this.
Cassidy
Oh, caution. Heavy.
Isaac Mizrahi
Yeah. This a company sent me.
Cassidy
Okay.
Isaac Mizrahi
It's thunder. Thunder, whatever. They do vests for dogs, but then they have all kinds of things. There's leashes, there's shirts. This one says my dog's name. Softer. Oh, Carl Point. Oh, that's cute. I'll keep that. Thanks, guys. But there's just a million things in here for dogs. But here's what interesting.
Cassidy
Have you used on. Have you used this for your dog?
Isaac Mizrahi
No.
Cassidy
The anxiety vest?
Isaac Mizrahi
No, my dogs don't have anxiety.
Cassidy
I mean, if she's barking all the time.
Isaac Mizrahi
Not all the time. Just when. Just when my wife is nearby or menstruating. I don't know. Here, get this off my desk, please.
Daniel Tosh
It's heavy.
Isaac Mizrahi
I know. You're gonna be careful with it, okay? You got it. You're strong. The dogs are. There's probably treats in there that they can smell. Let me tell you why thunder is it. What is it called? Thunder works. Let me tell you why.
Cassidy
Thunder shirt.
Isaac Mizrahi
Yeah, the thunder shirt. This is why they sent me this box. I was interviewing my father in law and he says he's got bad posture. He's like, well, I wear a thunder shirt like twice a week to straighten my posture. He didn't mean an actual thundershi. He was just calling it that. I think the brand that he wears is Tommy Cooper is the brand of posture shirt that he wears so he doesn't slunch like an old woman.
Cassidy
I would have been a better PR box.
Isaac Mizrahi
Well, anyway, thundershirts. They thought it was nice that we were talking about them. So they sent me a huge box. I'm like, well, I don't have this problem with my dog. What am I gonna do with all this product? They also donated some to a shelter. I believe they donated to best friends an equal amount so that I didn't say anything bad about them. But now I figure I'll just pay it forward to give it to you. You give it to your clients, you do whatever you want with it or you throw it away. That's up to you. I'll let you know, you let me. You sell it. Yeah, that's fine. Anyway, I want to thank thunderworks for giving us that free stuff. But more importantly, Tommy Cooper, we need you to send us a bunch of posture shirts for my father in law. And he's probably a medium or a large, I don't know what, but just straighten that old man up because he is. Oh, he's just bent over. Why should pet owners avoid dog parks?
Cassidy
I don't have a problem with dog parks. I really don't. But I think the problem with dog parks is the dog owners that go to dog parks because they usually just go and they drop. They. They leave their dog there and then they go sit on the bench and then they're just scrolling on their phone the whole time and they have no idea what's going on. So even if I did that with Dexter, who loves other dogs, he would be running around humping other dogs. His brain's not really working. So what I do with dogs is I want to get them thinking I want to slow down their need to just go all the time and have zero impulse control and really slow them down and be a little bit more intentional with them. So that's my spiel on dog parks. I don't have an issue with them. Like I said, I'll still take extra.
Isaac Mizrahi
If you go a walk to a dog park, maybe that can be like. And the dog park can be the reward.
Cassidy
Yeah. I think what happens is that you pull up to the dog park, the dog's screaming in the car, you let them rush out the door. Got you. They run into the dog park and then they have no. They don't even know who you are when you're in there. They're just in dog land. It's like, I haven't been to LA dog park, so maybe it's different.
Isaac Mizrahi
You never been to an LA dog park?
Cassidy
No, I haven't. I feel like it's gotta be. Well, I have Lana, so if I'm gonna go somewhere, I'm gonna take both of them.
Isaac Mizrahi
How often are you training people's dogs?
Cassidy
Too often.
Isaac Mizrahi
How often did. How did Pete find you?
Cassidy
He found me. I'm an independent contractor. I was an independent contractor through a dog training company.
Isaac Mizrahi
They finally got a dog.
Cassidy
She's great.
Isaac Mizrahi
They take him and his wife 500 years to make any decision and that, well, whatever.
Cassidy
These are impulsive.
Isaac Mizrahi
And he has the dumb hip sack of treats that's just so embarrassing. And then the 60 foot training leash that he walks around with. And I'm just like, what are you doing, man? Let's just let your dog run around. And then they just, they're always, oh, well, we can't leave right now. Our dog's gonna nap. I'm like, what? Open the door to your room and just leave.
Cassidy
I actually talk about them with other clients because of how amazing they did with their dog when she was a puppy. So I give great reviews to their parenting style.
Isaac Mizrahi
It just seems a bit much. Cassidy, thank you for being on the show. Good luck.
Cassidy
Thank you.
Isaac Mizrahi
And I hope no more dogs in the world die under your watch.
Cassidy
They probably will, unfortunately.
Isaac Mizrahi
Well, you're doing your part. That's all you can ask for.
Cassidy
Doing our best.
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Isaac Mizrahi
Car show all right. I want to thank Cassidy for helping out working with the Pets of Tosh show. Carl, how you doing buddy? Did you enjoy the Super Bowl? I haven't watched yet. I recorded it and I'm gonna save it and watch it during the Oscars. Well, my wife wants to watch the Oscars. I'm positive of that. And then I can just go downstairs in a watch the big game. Now, did I place a ton of bets on the Super Bowl? You better believe it. But I'm not checking my app. Not checking the balance.
Cassidy
Smart.
Isaac Mizrahi
Anyway, we got some plugs. Tossshow store.com. check out the toss show merch. Wear that merch to one of my shows. Get a free finger point. Yeah, we got Eddie's tour dates and my tour dates, adding new shows, adding second shows in New Brunswick, New Jersey and Minneapolis, St. Paul, Minnesota. And I'm excited about this. Heading out, heading out of the country. Heading to Portugal. Doing a show in Lisbon. Can you believe it? Oh, I'm looking forward to that. Why are we performing Lisbon? I don't know. Maybe I want to live there one day. You get a golden visa. You need to buy some real estate. You pretend that you're from a different country. It's what all the cool rich guys are doing. Comporta. They say that's like the Hamptons. I'm not a fan of the Hamptons. Never have been, huh? What do you think of that? When people are like, oh, we're going to the Hamptons, I'm like, great. They're like, are you going to be there? I'm like, I'm never going there. Not my thing. I'll tell you where. I love Nantucket. Yep. Those are my people. I like people in Nantuck. Martha's Vineyard. Nah. No, thank you. I travel, I find places. I like Maine. Good luck getting me out of there. I would live in Maine if it wasn't for my wife.
Cassidy
That's the best.
Isaac Mizrahi
Gosh, she's such a downer. Anytime we're in someplace great, I'm like, don't you think we could live here? And she's like, no. Like, why not? She's like, I don't know. Like, we're having the best time ever. The food's delicious. People are wonderful. It's beautiful. She doesn't like cold, though. That's what gets her. Like, we don't have to be here when it's cold.
Cassidy
Right?
Isaac Mizrahi
Stay inside. It's not like you do anything anyway. Stay inside. All right, well, let's get to the free plug. We got any free plug music? You know we do. What kind of music are we listening to? Oh, that's more like just nature sounds, but I like it. Gonna throw in one of Eddie's random eagle noises right there. All right, let's see what this free plug is. You guys do know that these free plugs, I don't look at them until right at this moment. So here we go. This week's free plug is for Pink's Carpet Cleaning in the greater Phoenix area. You guys know by now that we here at Tosh, Joe love supporting small businesses. And this week is no different. You know, a carpet cleaning just in general. Dude, are people still getting wall to wall carpet and is that a selling point? Oh, we've got wall to wall carpeting. Well, that's good. You employ that guy that goes around and rams that thing with his knee.
Cassidy
Yeah, right.
Isaac Mizrahi
That's good. Anyway, Pinka specializes in cleaning carpet, tile, grout, upholstery, and area rugs. Oh, that's good. You know, I had somebody come clean our area rugs and they basically, when they, they took. They removed the furniture, took the rug out, and then came back and put the furniture back and left. The rugs were great, but I'll be honest with you, the furniture was fucking nowhere near where it originally was. It basically just redecorated. So now if I get the area rugs cleaned ever. I'm down putting corner pieces of tape everywhere and marking stuff off. I mean, imagine if you're blind, come back in that room, bust a shin. Anyway, well, so anyway, Pinks, satisfaction guaranteed for 14 days. After 14 days, you and I both know that bitch spilled some wine. They don't just do in home cleaning either. If you have a highly soiled area rug, they'll pick it up and then redeliver it back to you as clean as a whistle. That's what I was just talking about. That's what all my rug guys do. None of the rug people want to clean in front of you because they don't want to see how I'm convinced that sometimes they just fucking flip my rug over and it's like, oh, look at that, we cleaned it. I'm like, did you? Or did you just flip it over? You're onto us. These people are licensed and insured. They also clean furniture. So don't forget their slogan is if it's dirty or stinks, call pinks. Now I know why we picked them. They got us with their dumb slogan. If it's dirty or stinks, call Pinks. If it's dirty and stinks. Yeah, you just fucked a whore. See you next week.
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Podcast Summary: Tosh Show Episode - "My Dog Whisperer" with Kassidy King
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The episode begins with Isaac Mizrahi introducing the guest, Cassidy King, emphasizing her remarkable work in rescuing and training dogs. Mizrahi highlights Cassidy's dedication, stating, “She's rescued over 100 dogs from being euthanized and now trains pooches full time right here in Los Angeles” (14:05).
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Cassidy shares her origins from Tulsa, Oklahoma, where she lived until the age of 18 before moving to Duluth, Minnesota, for college. She pursued a degree in communications, which later influenced her approach to dog training.
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Cassidy describes her entry into dog rescue, starting informally by adopting dogs from Tulsa and bringing them to Minnesota. She highlights the high rates of euthanasia in Southern California shelters due to overpopulation and limited resources.
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Cassidy delves into the complexities of rescuing dogs, especially during the COVID-19 pandemic when shelter populations surged. She discusses societal issues like economic hardships leading to increased abandonment of pets.
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Cassidy outlines her transition from a volunteer rescuer to a professional dog trainer. She explains her training philosophy, emphasizing consistency and active participation from dog owners. Cassidy also details her service offerings, including private lessons and daily training sessions, priced at $250 per hour and $600 per week respectively.
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The discussion moves to training methodologies, where Cassidy emphasizes the importance of adapting techniques to each dog's personality. She critiques common practices like cranking up electric collars without proper training, advocating for reward-based systems that include affection as incentives.
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Cassidy discusses the difficulties associated with training specific breeds like Huskies and German Shepherds, highlighting their distinct temperaments and training needs. The conversation also touches on the responsibilities of owning breeds like Pit Bulls and the misconceptions surrounding them.
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Cassidy elaborates on her involvement with the Positive Change program, which pairs rescue dogs with inmates for training. She explains how these initiatives benefit both the dogs and the participants, fostering rehabilitation and providing loving homes for the animals.
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As the interview nears its end, Cassidy shares her vision for expanding her training services and continuing her rescue efforts. She emphasizes the importance of responsible pet ownership and the profound impact of her work on both the dogs and the communities involved.
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The episode "My Dog Whisperer - Kassidy King" offers an in-depth look into the life and work of Cassidy King, a dedicated dog rescuer and trainer. Through candid conversation, Cassidy shares her journey from Tulsa to becoming a pivotal figure in dog rescue, the challenges she faces, and her compassionate approach to training. Her insights highlight the critical issues within animal shelters and the importance of community involvement in rescuing and rehabilitating dogs.
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This episode serves as an inspiring testament to the power of dedication and compassion in transforming the lives of rescue dogs and the communities they touch.