My Pro Hang Glider - Joe Greblo

Summary

Tosh Show – "My Pro Hang Glider – Joe Greblo"

Host: Daniel Tosh
Guest: Joe Greblo
Release Date: July 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this characteristically irreverent and insightful episode, Daniel Tosh sits down with legendary hang glider pilot and instructor Joe Greblo. With over 10,000 hours in the air, Joe shares anecdotes spanning hang gliding’s golden era, its dangers, mechanics, brushes with death, hilarious mishaps, and stunt work in Hollywood. The episode blends humor, education, and daredevil storytelling, offering a glimpse into the mind of someone who’s literally spent his life “on the edge.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Viewer Feedback Segment ([01:00 – 08:41])

• Daniel and regular Eddie riff on listener comments, veering into comedic tangents and recurring show jokes, from water parks to hotel preferences and bad logos.
• Memorable Quote:
  • Tosh, explaining his parenting style:
    “I'm more of a drone parent because, you know, I make an obnoxious noise and nobody wants me there. And every 15 to 20 minutes, I need to take a nap and recharge.” ([01:37])
• Light-hearted banter about camping gear, hotel room views, and Daniel’s aversion to cold showers.

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2. Meet Joe Greblo: Hang Gliding Icon ([09:12 – 10:18])

• Joe details his background, tracing his journey from Oregon to California by age 9.
• At 75, he’s still actively hang gliding alongside his wife.
• Favorite Quote:
  • Joe on negotiating with danger and age:
    “You know, I’m negotiating with a mountain and we can’t agree yet. So one of these days, one of us will win.” ([09:45])

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3. Origins & Mechanics of Hang Gliding ([10:51 – 15:49])

• Joe’s first exposure to hang gliding was spontaneous—a friend dragged him along, and within minutes, he tried it himself.
• Explains the basic physics: gravity and thermals, how pilots use weight shifts to steer, and the similarity to paper airplanes.
• Safety advancements: Original hang gliders were much riskier.
• Tosh’s childhood attempts at “flight” (jumping off the roof with homemade contraptions) provide comic relief.
• Memorable Quote:
  • Joe, on early hang glider safety:
    “We used to pretend they were safe. You know, we really had ourselves convinced that if anything went wrong, it’s going to be your fault. And the reality is, no, they weren’t very safe at all.” ([16:16])

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4. Dangers, Survival, and Flight Logistics ([15:49 – 23:12])

• Discusses survival odds after falls (the “50/50 rule”) and whether body weight influences survival.
• Hang gliders are tailored to each pilot’s weight; bigger pilots mean bigger gliders.
• Typical launch heights: Joe routinely uses a 3,500 ft mountain.
• Longest consecutive flight: Joe once spent 8.5 hours aloft—world record is 30+ hours.
• Potty Problems in the Sky:
  • Joe recounts his scariest moment: nearly freezing and losing control of his, well, anatomy while trying to pee at 18,000 feet ([19:08]).
    “Now I’m panicking and I can’t. And all I can think of is, ha. You’re gonna be known as a guy who lost his dick hang gliding. That’s gonna be your—that’s my scariest.” ([20:00])

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5. Sharing the Skies with Birds ([21:05 – 22:59])

• Raptors (e.g., hawks, eagles) sometimes attack gliders when protecting nests, occasionally tearing fabric.
• Flying with California condors:
  • “The wingspan on a condor is almost wall to wall. It’s nine and a half feet. So when that bird comes up next to you, it’s like, oh my god, that’s a dinosaur.” ([22:16])
• Tosh jokes about classic “V” formation trivia:
  • “Why is one side longer? — Because there’s more birds on that side.” ([22:59])

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6. Hang Gliding Today: Cost, Training, and Accessibility ([23:12 – 27:09])

• Modern hang gliders range from $5,000 to $13,000, with high-end models up to $25,000—akin to Lamborghinis for most pilots.
• Thermal patterns remain consistent due to topography and sun exposure—a pilot’s local knowledge is invaluable.
• Training for beginners:
  • Joe ran a famous school at El Segundo, making it safe for “any goofball” to get airborne on forgiving sand dunes.
• Escape Scenario:
  • Tosh asks: If being chased off a cliff, could a total novice survive using a hang glider? Joe’s answer:
    “I’d turn around and face my enemy first.” ([27:39])

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7. Regulation, Tandem Flights & Stunt Work ([27:53 – 36:07])

• FAA involvement: Basic rules exist, but no formal license required for most hang gliding in the US.
• Commercial tandem rides: Technically not allowed, but called “lessons” to get around regulations.
• Joe’s gliders weigh from 50-75 lbs and take about 30 minutes to set up.
• Joe worked extensively as a stunt pilot for Hollywood, including for MacGyver (building and flying a “dumpster glider” for an episode).
• Memorable Quote:
  • Joe, on breaking into Hollywood:
    “The poor stuntman just got hurt and injured and looked foolish.” ([35:02])

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8. Brushes with Death, Ethics, and Hobbies ([31:29 – 34:04])

• Close calls made Joe more appreciative and less arrogant; luck played a critical role in survival.
• “The truth is, I made plenty of mistakes and just got lucky.” ([32:05])
• Other hobbies? None—flying consumed his life.

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9. Modern Hang Gliding Culture ([32:05 – 36:59])

• Thoughts on Red Bull’s role:
  • Joe doesn’t like the drink, but supports the brand’s investments in sports.
• Red Bull Flugtag: Joe wishes he’d participated years ago, as winners now essentially build hang gliders.
• On wingsuits: Joe admires but fears them, calling wingsuit fliers “my heroes.” ([33:38])
• Retirement: Five years ago, still flies for fun.

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10. Favorite Places, Heights, and Wild Scenarios ([39:26 – 44:00])

• Dream and favorite locations: Yosemite (only hang gliders allowed), the Alps, Brazil’s Rio jungle vs. city, and buildings for stunt work.
• Highly illegal: Nearly every commercial/stunt hang glide is technically against FAA rules.
• Would love to try Alaska; fantasy of being helicoptered to remote wilderness and launching.
• “How long do you plan on doing this?” — Joe:
  “I keep having that argument with the sky or the mountain... as long as I can keep walking, you know?” ([42:35])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Daniel Tosh:

  • “Just one thermal after another.” ([43:44])
    (As a metaphor for Joe’s life)

• Joe Greblo:

  • "I'm negotiating with a mountain and we can't agree yet." ([09:45])
  • "We used to pretend they were safe... The reality is, no, they weren't very safe at all." ([16:16])
  • "The poor stuntman just got hurt and injured and looked foolish." ([35:02])
  • "I've never been hurt because I'm good... that's not the truth at all. I made plenty of mistakes and just got lucky." ([32:05])
  • "I'd turn around and face my enemy first." ([27:39], on hang gliding to escape danger)
  • “When that [California condor] bird comes up next to you, it’s like, oh my god, that’s a dinosaur.” ([22:16])

• Hilarious Moment:

  • Joe’s horror story about nearly losing important anatomy trying to pee at 18,000 ft, frozen and panicked ([20:00])
  • Tosh's classic “V formation” dad joke ([22:59])

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Important Timestamps

• [09:12] – Joe introduces himself and his journey to hang gliding.
• [10:51] – First hang gliding experience and early impressions.
• [14:53] – Explaining weight shift steering and basic maneuvers.
• [16:02] – Discussion on original glider safety and losing friends.
• [19:08] – Joe’s “most dangerous flight” (restroom emergency).
• [22:16] – Flying alongside endangered California condors.
• [27:39] – Tosh’s “running from villains” scenario, Joe’s safety advice.
• [31:29] – How close calls changed Joe’s outlook on flying.
• [35:02] – Breaking into movie stunt work; MacGyver story.
• [39:44] – Joe’s favorite hang gliding locations.
• [42:35] – Joe on retirement and aging in the sport.

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Episode Tone & Texture

• The episode balances dark humor, absurdity, and genuine curiosity.
• Daniel’s comedic skepticism and disbelief mesh with Joe’s understated, matter-of-fact storytelling.
• Recurring callbacks to bodily functions, mortality, and the absurdity of “extreme sports for old people” give the episode a unique flavor.
• Tosh’s classic irreverence (especially in the closing segment) ensures the show remains unpredictable and true to his voice.

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For Listeners: Why Tune In?

If you’re curious about the world of hang gliding, long-standing daredevils, behind-the-scenes Hollywood stunts, or just want to hear aging thrill-seekers reflect on risk, luck, and bodily mishaps at 18,000 feet—this is your episode. Daniel’s playful needling matched with Joe’s genuine wisdom (and dry, self-deprecating humor) make for a fast-paced, infectiously entertaining conversation.

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Transcript

[Joe]

Now I'm panicking, and I can't. And all I can think of is, ha. You're going to be known as a guy who lost his dick hang gliding. That's going to be your. That's. That's my scariest.

[Tosh]

Joe, did you ever consider just peeing in your pants?

[Joe]

Yeah, my. But my partner did that. My partner did the same thing.

[Tosh]

It just seems way safer to show. Tosh show. Tosh show for show. Welcome to Tosh show. Hark, the herald angels sing Glory to the newborn king. Dylan, you know this song? I do. Yeah, you do.

[Joe]

Well, well, well.

[Tosh]

Oh, look who's brushing up on their I want to get into heaven stuff. It's good to be here. Great news, Eddie.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Tosh]

You're getting a raise.

[Eddie]

Come on.

[Tosh]

No, no, wait.

[Eddie]

What? It sounded great. I like the.

[Tosh]

No, you're not. But we are going to do some viewer feedback.

[Eddie]

Oh, man, this is good.

[Tosh]

Which always puts me in a bad mood, but for some reason, I feel empowered right now. I'm like, let's bring it. What could people say that I haven't already heard? Especially because we do the love you, love you not segment at the end of the show. So I've already heard people shitting on me.

[Eddie]

Right.

[Tosh]

But overall, each week, it gets harder and harder to find a negative comment toward me.

[Eddie]

It stops. But we worked hard to. We went through them.

[Tosh]

All right, what do you got? Let's do it.

[Eddie]

Okay, man. Just to let Eddie know, Splash Town is now a car dealership. Had great times at that petri dish growing up. Maybe I ate some of your food, man.

[Tosh]

We're getting. So now this person is commenting because you and I were talking about water parks near San Antonio, and you used to work at Splashtown.

[Eddie]

Splashtown.

[Tosh]

And now it's a car dealership.

[Eddie]

It's amazing.

[Tosh]

You think you can still pee in your pants there. You go in there for. For, like, oh, you're just standing there in your shorts and you start peeing while you're looking at a Honda. And the guy's like, what are you doing? You're like, oh, this used to be Splash Town.

[Eddie]

This is a lazy river.

[Tosh]

And then he's like, my bad. What's it gonna take for me to get you into a bathroom?

[Eddie]

He knows. He knows what's going on.

[Tosh]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

From water cremation episode, somebody said, logo looks like a hamburger.

[Tosh]

The water cremations logo looks like a hamburger.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Then somebody said, I said the same thing. Lol. And then a third person's like, I thought it was a Shake Sh. Logo.

[Tosh]

We respect his business. We think it's a great, great concept, great company. The logo might need a second go, because when I saw it, I thought it was umami burgers.

[Eddie]

It makes you hungry, and then it's not what you want.

[Tosh]

I mean, I guess technically you can eat them.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Or sprinkle them on your food.

[Tosh]

Well, is umami burger still in business? No, they went out of business. I think they're at one terminal at lax. What?

[Joe]

Yes, terminal.

[Tosh]

I love umami burger.

[Joe]

Well, we got to go to LAX

[Eddie]

to eat it now.

[Tosh]

That's. They were great. They used to do a turkey burger with cubes of bacon inside of it. It was like an off menu thing.

[Eddie]

It's like. Preston.

[Tosh]

Oh, I loved it. Man. That's a shame. And their buns. Their buns couldn't be beat. But the problem is America is just too morbidly obese. And those burgers look so small and fancy.

[Eddie]

They're like, I don't want that.

[Tosh]

They didn't want it. That's a shame. All right, what else you got?

[Eddie]

Tasha's such a helicopter parent.

[Tosh]

I'm not. I. I can see why I come across that way in the stories that I tell. The reality is I'm just always around and I'm bored and I want to hang out with somebody. I'm. I'm more of a drone parent because, you know, I make an obnoxious noise and nobody wants me there. And every 15 to 20 minutes, I need to take a nap and recharge.

[Eddie]

Makes that sounds right. Gilly the clown episode. This dude rocks. Ha ha ha. When he dropped the F bomb right away, I knew he was going to be a great guest.

[Tosh]

A potty mouth clown never misses. You guys need to book him. Okay. You say, well, why don't you book him? I'll.

[Joe]

I'll.

[Tosh]

I'll book him when appropriate.

[Eddie]

Right. You don't always.

[Tosh]

Or when. Horribly inappropriate. I'd like to book him.

[Eddie]

There you go.

[Tosh]

You think you could masturbate in front of a clown?

[Eddie]

Yeah, I think I could. I can see that.

[Tosh]

No way.

[Eddie]

No way. You're challenging me.

[Tosh]

Do it. You gotta hire him.

[Eddie]

Book him.

[Tosh]

Book him.

[Eddie]

No, not him. Like a clown.

[Tosh]

No, not Gilly. Sure, we all could. In front of something. Jugs McGee.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah. That's what I was thinking.

[Tosh]

No, we're talking Gilly. We're doing it in front of Gilly.

[Eddie]

No. Then no.

[Tosh]

Okay. Oh, you're the one that was, like, defiant.

[Eddie]

I'm saying I could, but I don't want to do. Gilly's my friend.

[Tosh]

What do you. You want to masturbate in front of friends? Oh, strangers. It's inappropriate.

[Eddie]

All right.

[Tosh]

What are you, Louie Gilly Contact.

[Eddie]

The show learned so much during this episode. Lol.

[Tosh]

It's nice. I mean, we really should reclassify this pod from political. Too educational.

[Eddie]

Yeah, people learn here. Remember how great Tosh o was? Seems like a long time ago.

[Tosh]

Revisionist history. We were never great. Okay, the show was fine. You were just younger and dumber.

[Eddie]

My water heater died and I couldn't afford to fix it for a month. I hated the cold showers and I'm so grateful to have hot water again.

[Tosh]

See, we're not that different. I too hate cold showers. Ah, I can really relate.

[Eddie]

Very relatable.

[Tosh]

Uh huh.

[Eddie]

Which guest will get that tent? Smiley face.

[Tosh]

Great question. I can't give it away. I should give it away. That way when my kids inevitably like, when can we go camping again? I'll be like, oh, I don't have that tent anymore because there's no way I would rebuy another tent.

[Eddie]

You're not buying another tent. No way.

[Tosh]

So if I give it away, I won't have to do it again? Camping. I. I'm keeping it. It packed very nicely. I'm gonna be honest with you. That tent was 450 bucks.

[Eddie]

It's a nice tent, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Tosh]

That's a four person tent that costs $450 for one night of use. I gotta use it again just to get my money's worth.

[Eddie]

The more you use it, the cheaper it was, right?

[Tosh]

It's like a hotel. Eventually it'll be like a Motel 6 with one of those honors cards where you're getting it for 40 bucks a night.

[Eddie]

This is fantastic.

[Tosh]

Here's who I used to be when it comes to hotels. I used to have a Super 8 VIP card that like got me the room, like on the first floor, like right next to the office. The office? Yeah, like apparently that was the one that you wanted because if you wanted

[Eddie]

to have that continental breakfast, which they might have put out some energy bars, it's an easy walk.

[Tosh]

I think it was just you wanted to get out of there real quick

[Eddie]

in the morning, check out as quick

[Tosh]

as you just could run. But regardless, I used to have my Super 8 value card. So let's now. Oh, I fucking get pissy at Pete. When the Ritz Carlton or the Four Seasons doesn't have the right suite. I'm like, oh, you know what? I don't care about suites. As Much depends on if my kids are with me. As much as I care about view, I don't like to have a shitty view in my hotel. It makes me very depressed.

[Eddie]

There's like a nice hotel and then you open up the window and it's a parking garage.

[Tosh]

How about when I'm in the tour bus and I wake up alone in it and I open the window and like, we're underground in the back of some theater and I'm like. I'm pretty sure I'm breathing fumes.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah, you are. I ad block my whole life. Yet I like hearing your ad reads. It's fucking weird.

[Tosh]

This guy's listening to our ad reads. That's incredible. Now, if you subscribe to our Patreon page, you can hear some of the ad read outtakes. Oh, man, those are. Those are laugh out loud hysterical.

[Eddie]

Don't tell the sponsors about those.

[Tosh]

No, they love it. They've got a sense of humor. They know their products are shit. I'm teasing. If you don't get that, don't support the show.

[Eddie]

From your mother's episode. Mother's Day. She's very right about the commercials. How many billions does Daniel need? One. Just one, please.

[Tosh]

One. That's how many billions I need. A single billion. If I had a billion dollars. Oh, I would be so happy.

[Eddie]

Oh, I would be so happy. Mother. That's it, man.

[Tosh]

All right. That's not so bad.

[Eddie]

No, it's good.

[Tosh]

You're probably wondering why I'm wearing this drug rug. Yeah, I tell you why. I'm high as a kite right now.

[Eddie]

What?

[Tosh]

Today's guest can appreciate that. Enjoy. My guest today is somehow still alive. He has spent over 10,000 hours in the air cheating death. It's a bird. It's a plane. It's hang glider. Joe. Joe, first question. Do you believe in ghosts?

[Joe]

No, I don't. Not at all.

[Tosh]

Do you have a death wish?

[Joe]

No. No, I don't have a death wish. But playing close to it can be fun sometimes.

[Eddie]

That's a nice answer.

[Tosh]

Where are you from?

[Joe]

I'm originally from Oregon, then Washington state and then California when I turned about nine years old, came down here.

[Tosh]

How old are you?

[Joe]

I'm 75.

[Tosh]

75. And you're still hang gliding?

[Joe]

Still hang gliding. Me and my wife.

[Tosh]

Is there a camp when you're like, just in your head where you're like, I probably shouldn't do this anymore.

[Joe]

You begin to wonder at my age, don't you?

[Tosh]

Do you think it's coming up or.

[Joe]

No, you know, I'M negotiating with a mountain and we can't agree yet. So one of these days, one of us will win.

[Tosh]

You work out?

[Joe]

No, my flying is my workout.

[Tosh]

That's what I say about a lot of the dumb stuff that I do. But my doctor says I need to

[Joe]

actually start working out. Says I do too, but I'm one of those guys who never had to. I don't have to eat, I don't get fat, I don't get skinny and just everything. If I didn't eat, I wouldn't know it. And so it's weird.

[Tosh]

What did you weigh your senior year in High School?

[Joe]

138.

[Tosh]

And what do you weigh today?

[Joe]

138. Yeah, and I understand it.

[Tosh]

Did you ever consider being a jockey?

[Eddie]

That's a good put.

[Joe]

Yeah. Put some wings on it, then you'd be interested. Yeah.

[Tosh]

Was hang gliding one of the original extreme sports?

[Joe]

You know, we talk like it is, but, you know, there was skydiving before that and maybe scuba diving.

[Tosh]

Do you scuba dive?

[Joe]

No, no, I. I'm afraid of the water, I'm afraid of being underwater, I'm

[Tosh]

not afraid of being underwater, but I don't. I have never scuba dived and I have zero desire to do that. That does not interest me in any.

[Joe]

I like the sights, but there's just a hidden phobia.

[Tosh]

And when was the first time you went hang gliding?

[Joe]

First time I went was actually a day at a high school, but a college buddy called me up and say, hey, you remember your old gym coach? Yeah, I remember him. He's going to go fly this big kite today. What do you. Do you want to go watch? I said, sure, sure. So he comes over and gets me. We get in the car, we drive off in a corner of the north valley, get in this big field. I look around looking for somebody with a big old Japanese string kite or something. I can't find anybody in the field, but I look up on this mountain or this hill. It's about 150 foot hill in the distance and there's a big orange thing, fabric of some kind. I can't really see, it's too far away. It looks like there's a guy standing near it and next thing there's sky below it. Wow. That thing's in the air and it's getting closer and bigger and closer and bigger. So I know it turns in, it lands right in front of me and this little puff of wind hit me in the face and I just said, wow, that guy must be James fucking Bond.

[Tosh]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, I could never do that, but that is cool. And 10 minutes later, he was shoving me down the hill on this thing, and I was sliding down the hill, skinning my knuckles and tearing my Levi's and big old smile on my face, you know.

[Tosh]

And you were just dragging.

[Joe]

I mean, well, you gotta run to take off. And you generally, you run down a hill so they find a little slope if they don't want to kill you.

[Tosh]

How old were you at this point?

[Joe]

Probably 25, 24. I like that you were younger. 23.

[Tosh]

I like that you were so bored that you were willing to go with a friend to watch somebody fly a kite.

[Joe]

I know that.

[Tosh]

I mean, you wouldn't talk about that.

[Joe]

Pretty pathetic, isn't it?

[Tosh]

Sad day bad, yeah, but all right, it turned out well. Now, here are my attempts at flying. As a child, I was always fascinated by trying to fly. I once made a parachute. I was very young, okay? I made it out of strips of toilet paper and taped them together, tied the four corners to strings and jumped off the roof of my house. That didn't work, obviously. Then I got a little bit older. I realized, what if I stood in a box, jumped off the roof of my house in the box, but right before I hit the ground, stepped out of the box.

[Eddie]

Cartoon logic, right?

[Tosh]

Cartoon logic. That was a horrible feeling. And then the last thing, I think I was watching, like the Tarzan Boys show, and he had fabricated a airplane out of sticks and he ran and he jumped and he Hang, glide, hang, load, hang, Gl. Hang. Glided with it, whatever. And I built a replica of this. And I ran down a hill in my head. I was like, it's going to work. It's just disaster. I should have waited till I got a little older or had the means, but I never had the means to

[Joe]

attempt any of these things with all those qualifications. I'm surprised you're not a hang glider pilot.

[Tosh]

Explain the basic mechanics of what you're doing up there.

[Joe]

Hang glider is no different than a paper airplane. If you throw it, it flies, but it goes down, doesn't it? That's because it's heavier than the air around it. Now, if you take a tissue paper and drop it or a feather and drop it, it goes down, too, because gravity pulls it down. But what could you do to make that feather or that tissue paper go up? How about if you held that feather over a campfire and the feather trying to come down, but the warm air, the hot air is rising faster than the feather comes down. That's how the Hang glider works. When we take off on the hang glider, we are descending like a parachute, but three times slower.

[Tosh]

We're descending very softly, but what are you doing?

[Joe]

The whole time I'm strapped in, enjoying the ride and telling it where to go with my body movements. It's like taking the wing walker on an airplane because there's a body going out on the left wing, makes the left wing heavy. Left wing comes down, we go into a turn. Body wing walker walks to the front of the airplane, puts its weight in front of the wings, gets heavy like standing in the front of canoe. The nose goes down and accelerates. Well, I just have to pull my weight that way, pull my weight forward, I dive, push my weight backwards, I slow down, put my weight left, I turn left. Right. I go right.

[Tosh]

Can you do a loop?

[Joe]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Have you done loops certified for that? No, that's. That's.

[Tosh]

Have you done a loop?

[Joe]

A lot of people do loops, but they're. They violate all the safety standards of the sport, and I never took an interest in it.

[Tosh]

You never took an interest in noodle loop?

[Joe]

That's because when it was getting popular, everybody and as I was growing in skill and experience, everybody I knew better than me that was doing loops was getting hurt or killed.

[Tosh]

How long will you take it? Nose dive it. Is that fun?

[Joe]

Yeah, diving's fun. Sure, sure, you could spiral down, but. But that, but that cuts into your total flight time because now you have to gain it back again. But in good surroundings and good places, you can. You can find another updraft, which we call an elevator. You know, we're just looking for updrafts, elevators. We'll fly down and then we got to find some lift because if we don't find it again, we go and land and everybody else gets to have fun and you don't.

[Tosh]

Any other guys you flew with in the 70s still alive?

[Joe]

Anybody you know a lot or not? And that's. That is scary. Yeah, a lot are still alive, but most of long since quit hang gliding.

[Tosh]

Are you going fast up there or you always just kind of against the wind and just.

[Joe]

No, it seems slow when you're high, but anytime you get near the ground and something, it. It turns into fast pretty quick.

[Tosh]

Now, how safe were those original hang gliders?

[Joe]

We used to pretend they were safe. You know, we really had ourselves convinced that if anything went wrong, it's going to be your fault. And the reality is, no, they weren't very safe at all. They were. They were some pretty crazy devices and

[Tosh]

how high could those. Could those, like, hit the off drafts?

[Joe]

Yeah. The joke or the game we played was we just told ourselves, you don't want to fly any higher than you care to fall.

[Tosh]

Do you know about the 5050 rule?

[Joe]

No, tell me.

[Tosh]

I don't know if it's true or not. I just read it one time and it stuck with me that the human body 50% of the time can survive a fall from 50ft. Has anybody ever heard that?

[Joe]

I never heard that.

[Tosh]

I've heard it. See, if that's a thing, the 5050 rule of fall, it's basically like if you fall out of your hotel room on the fifth floor, you got a 50% chance of surviving it.

[Joe]

That's a real thing.

[Tosh]

Thank you.

[Joe]

My rule was a little different. My rule was if you weighed less than £140, you could survive it.

[Tosh]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

But if you weighed more than that, you're gonna slam.

[Tosh]

Does weight play a big issue or do you do math on your. Your bird?

[Joe]

No, no, I. Well, as far as flying weight doesn't play an issue because the glider you choose to fly is size to your weight.

[Tosh]

Oh, yeah, it is.

[Joe]

Bigger the pilot, the bigger the glider.

[Tosh]

Do people call it a bird?

[Joe]

No. Okay. I thought I was cool.

[Tosh]

I thought I was cool.

[Joe]

No, you're a fool.

[Tosh]

Oh, all right, fair enough. Fair enough. I'll take that. I didn't. I didn't know I went for it.

[Joe]

Don't do that.

[Tosh]

What's the ideal takeoff height for you and how quickly can you find the updrafts? Are you just blindly looking for this stuff?

[Joe]

We have a 3,500 foot mountain nearby.

[Tosh]

Okay.

[Joe]

In the valley here, it's 2,200ft above the ground, so 3,500 above the sea. But we're not near the sea.

[Tosh]

Oh, gotcha.

[Joe]

2200ft. Landing area is two miles away. And if you put a student at the controls, he's going to land in 10 minutes. So hang gliders don't have motors. Gravity pulls them right down to the earth, just pulls them slowly. So he's up for 10 minutes. Now, while he's flying around, he might be going through elevators of rising air all over the ground's getting hot. Over here, that air rises. And over here, air is sinking and it's all invisible, so he can't see it. And if he did, he wouldn't know what to do with it. Put a good guy in that glider and he can spend 8, 10 hours in the air going up and down thousands of feet up and down, no motor.

[Tosh]

Ten hours seems too long.

[Joe]

Well, my longest flight is eight and a half hours.

[Tosh]

Is there a world record?

[Joe]

Yeah, 30 some hours. Oh, but that was years ago. And then it got to where. Heck, I gotta.

[Tosh]

Is there potty breaks and. Have you ever gone the bathroom while you're up there? Be honest.

[Joe]

That's probably the most dangerous, scary flight I've had was my potty break hang gliding.

[Tosh]

It's hard to get it upside down. That's the real trick.

[Joe]

Oh, it was horrible. It was horrible. Oh, I, I shiver today at the thought. I'm at 18,000ft in the Sierras and I'm trying to fly 200 miles. This is like big time hang gliding, you know. And I'm entering some clouds and some rough air and I got, I've had to pee for the whole flight, man. I got.

[Tosh]

You shouldn't hold it, you're going to get it. A urinary tract infection.

[Joe]

Yeah, so. But no, I'm holding it and eventually I just can't. I gotta pee. And I'm lying down on this harness and I gotta figure out how to do this, right? The harness goes down below my upper thighs. The harness is this big sheet, like a catcher's fast, right? Goes all the way down and I got to figure out how to get around that and get my belt undone and get my pants unzipped and get out, right? And I can't get to the bell, I can't get the belt.

[Tosh]

I don't need the graphic, Joe.

[Joe]

Stretch. Well, you're stuck with it. I stretch my pants down and I get underneath this harness. I flop myself out and the next thing I start hitting all this turbulence.

[Tosh]

So you hit turbulence just like jets?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bad, bad period. I just want to get down and it's friggin freezing. It's 18,000ft, it's way below zero. And I'm trying to deal with that and now my peckers get cold. And so I figure out how do I do it. So I start trying to get myself rearranged. And I can't. And I can't. No, no matter what. Now I'm panicking and I can't. And all I can think of is ha. You're gonna be known as a guy who lost his dick. Hang gliding, that's gonna be your. That's my scariest.

[Tosh]

Joe, did you ever consider just peeing in your pants?

[Joe]

Yeah, my partner did that. My partner did the same thing.

[Tosh]

It just seems way safer.

[Joe]

He did that, but nobody would let him in the truck when they picked him up, so made him drive back.

[Tosh]

Have you ever hit a bird or has a bird ever tried to attack you?

[Joe]

Yeah, some birds are protective of their young. So certain times of year when they have young in the nest, like raptors, red tail hawks, eagles, stuff like that, you get near their nest, they'll come after you. I've been struck and that what they'll do is they'll come up behind you and get you in the eyeballs. They'll come down and strike your wing and then they'll come back behind you, come down, strike your wing and they got claws and so they'll tear your fabric.

[Tosh]

Have you ever joined like, like a family of pelicans in flight?

[Joe]

No, but we fly. Quite a lot of the birds don't mind you flying with them because they do the same thing you're trying to do, only they do it better because they've been doing it for millennia.

[Tosh]

Right.

[Joe]

So birds like eagles and hawks don't like to flap because they burn calories. Burn calories. They have to hunt for food more for their young. So they prefer not to flap if they can. Yet they got to search for food. So what they do is they flap when they need to, just to get started. And then they glide, descend, descend, descend and find those invisible thermals and circle to go up so we can't see these thermals. We want to find them. And so we quite often fly with red tail hawks and we've even flown with locally with the one of the most endangered birds on the planet, which is called the California condor. Really cool because the wingspan on a condor is almost wall to wall. It's nine and a half feet. So it's probably okay, nine and a half foot wingspan. When that bird comes up next to you, it's like, oh my God, that's a dinosaur. That is really, really. Yeah.

[Tosh]

That's pretty cool.

[Joe]

That is really cool. There's some cool stuff up there.

[Tosh]

When, when birds fly in a V. Do you know why one side is always longer than the other? I don't know why, why one side is always longer? Yeah, because there's more birds on that side.

[Eddie]

You just got got.

[Joe]

Joe, you got me.

[Tosh]

There you go, Joe, you got that one. I've told that joke to my kids so many times, they never have ever laughed once. I'm like, you don't get it. They're like, we get it, dad.

[Joe]

They're just angry.

[Tosh]

We just don't care. You're stupid joke. How much does today, how much does a Good hang glider cost 5 to $13,000. What's the best hang glider on the market?

[Joe]

Cost 25,000. But it's not something many people want. It would be like the. Oh, it'd be like a Lamborghini. Would you want one?

[Tosh]

I'm not a Lamborghini guy.

[Joe]

Yeah, you don't need one.

[Tosh]

Well, I, I, yeah, I just don't want one.

[Joe]

What do you drive?

[Tosh]

I have a Rivan pickup truck.

[Joe]

Oh, at least it's a pickup truck.

[Tosh]

Yeah, see I got one, but it's electric, so. Yeah, well, sorry. So guess what? I don't want to pump gas ever. And RJ's my buddy, do the same like your hill, that you know it like the back of your hand. And are they called updrafts? Am I saying. Yeah, okay.

[Joe]

We call them thermals in this form.

[Tosh]

Are the thermals usually located in the same places that they were last time?

[Joe]

That's a great question. That really is.

[Tosh]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yes. Yeah. There's reasons the thermals are where they are.

[Tosh]

Right.

[Joe]

And those reasons don't change from hour to hour, day to day.

[Tosh]

So you know where they are. So that you could in theory have almost like a GPS app that's like, hey, there's normally a thermal here. My next, my, my follow up doesn't

[Joe]

mean it will be there, but normally you got it right.

[Tosh]

Well, here. So here's what I'm trying to create is what about like some type of slingshot mechanism or something on the ground where you're like right near one of your thermals and and you just kind of get launched into it and up you go without having to go to the top of a mountain. Is that a possibility? I'm trying to create like a man made version to launching you up and maybe even a man made thermal. Is there such a thing that we could do for the industry?

[Joe]

People have tried the man made thermals but without success. Set fields on fire, stuff like that.

[Tosh]

That seems like not a very good idea. Are you telling me that you're responsible for the Wolseley fire? Because I have a bone to pick with you. Do you have to get a license to, to hang glide?

[Joe]

You don't have to, but it's extremely inconvenient if you don't because few people are going to let you on their land if you're untrained and unlicensed and uninsured.

[Tosh]

I got a canyon in my backyard. Let's go, Ed. Let's go, Ed. What do you think of those ones on the beach? I've Seen it maybe like a kitty hawk or something in North Carolina where it's got the big oversized air tires and they basically let noobs just kind of run down a sand hill that's 20ft down or something like that. And they let us try to hang glide. That is something, right?

[Eddie]

El Segundo's got it too.

[Tosh]

They've got an El Segundo?

[Joe]

Yeah. El Segundo is, is my school. That's. That's what you're talking about, is, is what I operated for years and years and years. I've. I've since retired, but I have. My old staff is running the school now. Yeah, it's. It's a gas.

[Tosh]

That's acceptable. It's.

[Joe]

Any goofball for any reason can go down there and find themselves flying a hang glider without threat, is that.

[Tosh]

There's no threat.

[Joe]

No threat.

[Tosh]

There's no chance that all of a sudden a big gust of wind could.

[Joe]

Well, not in our case because we've got the best of all worlds. We got a little gently sloped sand dune and the slope matches the flight path of the glider. We got soft sand, perfect gentle winds. And we use these giant gliders that allow the glider to get airborne at nearly a walking speed. So you don't have the anxiety of motion and speed. You're not going really fast running down a hill full of barbed wire and, and you know, brambles. And the instructor just runs alongside you and he can put one hand on your body and maneuver your body as a pendulum because that's how it's controlled, by shifting your weight. And if you're doing everything well, like that skydiver. If you're doing everything well, he just leaves you alone, let you fly. If you do something wrong, he just steps in so you're within his reach, flying down a Hill for 30 seconds and landing 100 yards away on the beach.

[Tosh]

Okay, here's my question to you. Here's my question to you. Then go with the absurdity of it. I'm being chased by, I don't care, bad people. It's going to end ugly. I have to run. I'm at the edge of a cliff. There's a hang glider there waiting. I have zero experience, but certain death if I stick around, I have to just go for it. What's the percentage that I survive this?

[Joe]

I'd turn around and face my enemy first.

[Tosh]

That's not what I wanted to hear. I got no chance there.

[Joe]

They're odd enough. They just fly so differently that you're not going to Be able to do it.

[Tosh]

Do you always have a follow truck?

[Joe]

If you're going distance, okay. Most commonly, you're flying around your mountain. You're landing where everybody lands. Everybody lands. You have a few beers and you chase each other around the sky for a while.

[Tosh]

You ever had some issues with drones?

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Tosh]

I didn't know.

[Joe]

Airplanes.

[Tosh]

Airplanes, yeah. They get close to you ever?

[Joe]

We're often above airplanes.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Tosh]

Do you wave, you salute, anything?

[Joe]

Everybody's got their own. I enjoy airplanes. I think it's cool. I think it's fun. I got my eyes get close. It doesn't bother me. But a lot of what's.

[Tosh]

What's considered close.

[Joe]

Well, in the movie work, I could be. Have my hang glider 10ft off the wings of a helicopter, you know, film me and very few hang glider pilots

[Eddie]

want to do that.

[Tosh]

Does the faa?

[Joe]

Yep.

[Tosh]

They know what you're doing?

[Joe]

Yeah, they. They're involved, but not what you'd call fully involved. They. They monitor anything that flies is under their control. It's in the air. The FAA controls it. They don't license it, but they give two pages of rules that says you can't operate in ways that hurt other people. You can't fly in certain places where too many airplanes fly, so they. They restrict the danger to others and allow us to endanger ourselves.

[Tosh]

Can you hang glide at night?

[Joe]

You. You can if you're willing to suffer the consequences of the law. Let me rephrase that. Sure you can, because nobody's going to probably catch you. Yeah, but no, you can't legally. But yeah, people do.

[Tosh]

Have you ever thought about doing some heist? Seems like a hang glider would be good for that. Do you ever bring stuff with you?

[Joe]

When I was surfing, I wanted to get a breakdown. Surfboard, they make them cut in half. I want to put on my ultralight and fly into Mexico where I get into places where nobody else could surf. But you know what? I just was too lazy.

[Tosh]

What about drug trafficking? That. Do you ever think about doing that?

[Joe]

They do it.

[Eddie]

I'm sure.

[Joe]

I'm sure they do.

[Eddie]

It's true.

[Joe]

There have been hang glider pilots gone to jail in the old days for that.

[Tosh]

Do you tandem ever?

[Joe]

Yeah. No.

[Tosh]

Could you take anybody with no experience just for a ride then?

[Joe]

That is one of the things that the FAA does not allow. But yes, I can. I just can't market it as a ride. All right, that can't be a ride. So you come to me and say, joe, I'd like to go for a Ride, I say I can't. Would you like to go for a lesson? Yeah, I like. What does that mean? Whatever you like.

[Tosh]

I'm going to let you know right now. I'm a bad student.

[Joe]

Would you like to learn a little bit? Would you like to just watch and learn by watching? So I could take you up and you could do nothing but enjoy it and watch? Or you could participate and start the learning.

[Tosh]

Where am I hanging? Am I next to you or underneath you?

[Joe]

You're next to me. Side by side.

[Tosh]

How much weight can you actually hold?

[Joe]

Tandem, I can take up to about 250 as a passenger.

[Tosh]

Have you ever eyeballed a passenger and gone, yeah, I don't want to have this conversation, but we're cutting it a bit close.

[Joe]

Yeah. If you're smart, you just don't do it.

[Tosh]

Get there. Itis. How much does your hang glider weigh?

[Joe]

I've got several, but as little as £50 and as much as 75.

[Tosh]

Okay, that's not.

[Joe]

That's not bad. That's acceptable till you get my age and you're carrying a goddamn thing on a car. Take it off the car. No, the 50 pound one's beginning to feel like 75.

[Tosh]

50 to 75 pounds. All right. And how long from taking it off the roof of your car to flight? How long does that take you to set one up?

[Joe]

Well, if I were in a contest, it would be 15 minutes, but it's a half an hour.

[Tosh]

Are you doing checks every time?

[Joe]

No, because you get into your routine, you get good at it, you get careless, so you learn to do a final check, which should cover all the foolishness.

[Tosh]

How many close calls have you had?

[Joe]

More than I'd like to admit.

[Tosh]

And if you think back on them, does it like. Does it get the blood going? Like you're like, oh, man, that was bad.

[Joe]

Yeah, it. It actually makes me more gracious, you know, more feeling, like, why. You know those stories when your. Your buddy gets killed and you don't, you know, why me? You know, why do I deserve it? So I'd like people to think that, you know, I'm. I'm. I've never been hurt because I'm good, You know, I'm smarter than everybody else or I did better than everybody else. But that's not the truth at all. The truth is I made plenty of mistakes and just got lucky.

[Tosh]

Talk to me about Red Bull. Do you. Do you like what they're doing with the sport?

[Joe]

I do. I don't drink Red Bull. I got an aversion to being used and spending a lot of money because of fashion, you know, all that crap because it's the thing to do and following the crowd. But I really do support them because of what they're doing in sports.

[Tosh]

I like what they do in sports, too, but I don't understand how this is all based around a drink.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Tosh]

That I've never tasted that tastes like crap. Oh, there's no chance I'm drinking Red Bull unless they sponsor the show. You sponsor the show. I'll chug it.

[Joe]

I had a Red Bull shirt I was gonna wear today and it just had a stain on it.

[Tosh]

Have you ever been talked into competing in the Red Bull Flu tog?

[Joe]

No, I haven't been talked in. I've wanted to.

[Tosh]

Right, okay, you've wanted to. Good.

[Joe]

But now it's too late.

[Tosh]

No, it's not.

[Joe]

No, it is. It's too late for me to. To win.

[Tosh]

Okay?

[Joe]

Because there was a point in time where the evolution of knowledge of Flute Dog was lagging. Because what wins in Flute Dog today are hang gliders.

[Tosh]

Okay?

[Joe]

So now today, I couldn't build one as good as they could, but 10 years ago I could have.

[Tosh]

What about wingsuits? Have you ever had a desire. Have you ever had even a slight

[Joe]

desire to get shot? That guy must be James Bond. Yeah, that. That really does look cool. And no, I could never do that.

[Tosh]

But wingsuits always end with a parachute, right? That's how they end.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Tosh]

I mean, I watch the videos and the videos when they're going through canyons, I'm like, that's incredible. I don't know how they know that they're going to clear stuff, but it seems like they've got the math figured out.

[Joe]

Yeah, they're actually my heroes.

[Tosh]

They're your heroes?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're doing something I'm afraid of.

[Tosh]

Yeah, you would be afraid of it. Oh, it's good to know you have fears. I didn't know if I thought you might be, like, completely fearless when it comes to this. Do you have any other hobbies?

[Joe]

No. I am one of those people who's wasted their life and I know nothing else, but I know just about every damn thing about flying. These things that one could know.

[Tosh]

When did you retire?

[Joe]

I retired about five years ago, so

[Tosh]

now it's just purely recreational. But before that, you worked in the movies a lot as well. Stunt.

[Joe]

Got lucky living in Hollywood in the early days of a new sport when the stunt guys just wanted to get into it because they saw this as, hey, another Thing, it's going to be big, and commercials and TV and films are going to have it. So they tried to get in, but they didn't have time for it. They're too busy with their other skills. They had to keep up. So they dabbled in it. And then they started getting hurt. And that opened the door for somebody like me because the producers would want to hire somebody and the stunt guys would say, you'd have to hire us because it's a union. You can't hire people outside of the union.

[Tosh]

Right.

[Joe]

So they ended up doing a. A training short film. They said, okay, we'll do a test. We'll get the stunt guys to participate in this little make, make do film. We'll get the hang gliders. Whoever wins gets to do it.

[Tosh]

Okay?

[Joe]

And so they did that. And that's. The poor stuntman just got hurt and injured and looked foolish.

[Tosh]

And it takes one stunt person to die on set to really zap the energy.

[Joe]

It. It absolutely does. It's. It does. And that very same film, somebody got killed. And they had to. They had to sneak the director out of the country. They had to fly him out on a charter.

[Tosh]

Did you hear that, Alec Baldwin? Just get him out of the country. Back in the day. Hey, talk about being on MacGyver. And did you double for him after he constructed a glider from stuff that he found in a dumpster?

[Joe]

Yes. What he did is he got sent to some protectorate of the Soviet Union, Afghanistan, to pick up a satellite. And so he constructed a hang glider out of the satellite. And then all the bad guys were after him, so he had to. He had to get away, make a get away and take the satellite components. He had to build a hang glider.

[Tosh]

I love that show. And I think the reason I loved MacGyver is because he made cool things out of junk. And I grew up in a family where I never had stuff. So I was like, oh, this, this could be. This could be how I could get something cool. But here's where I'm bringing a full circle here in my neighborhood. There's a house. It's a. It's a Pacific Northwest style home. And it was always one of my favorites to look at. And I'm like, I love this house. And my friend goes, you know, that's the guy, the actor that played MacGyver that lives there. And I'm like, are you kidding me? I love that house. I'm like, to know the cool shit that he built in there. We'll be right back. Paw show. Everyone's on show gets a gift. Okay? And it's just stuff that I have at my house that I don't want. I just regift it, okay?

[Joe]

Oh, God.

[Tosh]

That's the show, all right. That's the gig. Now, Joe, I have to ask you real quick. Are you planning. When this day inevitably comes? It comes for all of us. Are you planning on being cremated? Don't answer. I've got an urn. Okay. This is from my buddy. He does water cremations. He gave me this urn. I'm like, I don't think I want it. I've decided. Anyway. It's nice. It's beautiful. I want you to have this urn. Okay? You do with it what you want.

[Joe]

Now can I answer?

[Tosh]

What's that?

[Joe]

We've got a memorial bench in our hang gliding flight park, and there's already 12 people in it.

[Tosh]

Great.

[Joe]

Look at. I'm going in there next.

[Tosh]

Nice. Put that on. More stuff I have to put on the floor.

[Joe]

On the.

[Tosh]

Please, on the floor. Just drop. That's your urn, Ben, that is great.

[Joe]

I got my own memorial.

[Tosh]

My. My. My agent, she's a witch. I don't want to get into that right now, but every year she buys me these Japanese money trees. They're for good fortune, good luck. I don't believe in any of that stuff. I just am like. And I have so many of them in my house. Anyway, I want you to have it. Wishing you good luck for as long as you want to be doing this.

[Joe]

I can't tell if this is a joke or not.

[Tosh]

No, it's not a joke. It's for good luck.

[Joe]

I know. This is cool. That's cool. Very kind of you.

[Tosh]

You're welcome. Thank you. Then this. I always get these in my green room whenever I perform. At altitude, they give you oxygen.

[Eddie]

Wow.

[Joe]

Because one time, that's something I can use, right?

[Tosh]

Well, there you go. There's a can of oxygen. Casey, do you ever get short of breath up there?

[Joe]

You know, I'm scared to death of water. I told you. And whenever I would have to do water stunts, I was a whining, sniveling bag of poop. And I'd make the stunt guys be underwater with cans of oxygen. Safety knives and all that. So now I got my own can. Oxygen, yeah, sure.

[Tosh]

But if you're ever feeling woozy, you just give yourself.

[Joe]

I gotta spot my harness for this. When I get above 14,000.

[Eddie]

Great.

[Tosh]

You said 18,000. That's the highest.

[Joe]

As high as we're allowed to go by Law.

[Tosh]

Okay, so you've been higher. Got it.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Tosh]

But how high will a thermal take you?

[Joe]

You ever been up in an airliner and seen clouds above you? So thermals go up to the bases of those clouds. We can get that high. We can get really friggin high.

[Tosh]

Yeah, that's beautiful up there though. Now you're kissing the sky cold. All right, here, please put that on the floor. Your oxygen. What do you want to jump off of? What haven't you jumped off? What are your favorite places that you've got to hang glide and then, you know, maybe some bucket list places.

[Joe]

Well, as far as where I have, Yosemite is just spectacular. And so are the Alps.

[Tosh]

And you're allowed in Yosemite.

[Joe]

We're the only flying machines allowed in Yosemite. Yeah. Special program established by the park service in the 70s and we're still doing it. And paragliders can't do it and ultralights can't do it. Airplanes can't take off and land there, but we can. So it's pretty cool. And then there's the Alps in Brazil, you know, Rio's jungle versus city. So that's kind of neat. And a lot of beautiful people and a lot of fun.

[Tosh]

And what about a high rise? Have you ever gone off of one?

[Joe]

Yeah, I have. For stunt work, though. Only in stunt work.

[Tosh]

Okay. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, I'm in anything.

[Joe]

I mean, when you're flying for a director, he needs you to, can you fly here, can you fly here? And there are never places that hang gliders can fly. So that's the fun, creative part of that world for me, other than teaching hang gliding, is that I get to do things that generally you don't get to do. Find a way to make it work. And so jumping in buildings or being pulled up behind a horse or finding a way to get airborne in Japan and fly around a castle that's on a 600 foot hill and yet there's no hills above it to start from. So how do you get the hang glider up? Fly around that castle, you know. So this is where the creative stuff comes in.

[Tosh]

Have you ever been pulled by a plane?

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tosh]

Oh, man, I'm starting to like this now. My head's been. Wait, first of all, Vegas, have you ever gone off of a. A casino up there?

[Eddie]

No.

[Joe]

There's a bit of a problem with the building thing. And that is technically in hang gliding, commercial operations are not legal. They're one of the few things you can't do in a hang glider. Gotta be sport or recreation. Yet I've got hundreds of motion picture qualifications on my credit list, and all of them are illegal. Every single one of them.

[Tosh]

The sphere. Maybe that's a loophole, because what is it really?

[Joe]

No one knows. So when you're doing these things commercially, you're literally going in and just hoping the FAA doesn't find out about it and not telling them, and they don't want to know, you know, so. And then again, if anybody ever did get hurt, you're going to jail.

[Tosh]

What about temperature? Have you gotten soft down here in Southern California? Would you like to hang glide in Alaska, or is that not. Does that not interest you?

[Joe]

No, actually, that's. That's a good one. I'd like to go to Alaska and be helicoptered into the most remote location with no roads and launch off a mountain there and see if I could get myself up and out of there. That would be fun. Of course, I'd have a safety crew, Right?

[Tosh]

Wouldn't it be great to be coming down, no thermals, and you just see a bunch of grizzlies and like,

[Joe]

this

[Tosh]

was a bad idea. This was a bad idea.

[Joe]

I've had a few bad ideas.

[Tosh]

How long do you plan on doing this? And at what point do you walk away?

[Joe]

I keep having that argument with, you know, the sky or the mountain. You know, we're in negotiations still, and I still think I'm pretty good at this. And that leads me to do the things I've always done, and some of those things are pretty challenging. And so you begin to wonder, okay, Joe, when you better start slowing down at your age, you know, I mean, you're gonna get hurt if you tried to do the things you can't do anymore. So I've tried to tailor that a little bit and harness that animal of, you know, challenge. And I think I can do this as long as I can keep. Keep walking, you know?

[Tosh]

I want to thank the godfather of free flights, Joe, for being on the show. Thanks a lot.

[Joe]

All right, my friend. Thanks for having me.

[Tosh]

My pleasure. PA Show. Hey, I want to thank Joe for being on the show. That was nice. And believe it or not, he's on the roof right now, getting ready to run off and float his way home

[Eddie]

with all his gifts.

[Tosh]

Yeah. What a way to live your life.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Tosh]

Just one thermal after another. Head on over to our patreon.com tossshow. Become a member, and enjoy the perks of all the extra content. Any other perks? Did they get anything else they feel good about? You Know, they ought to get some type of, like, memorabilia, like a patch. A patch. So I can recognize them at live events.

[Eddie]

Right?

[Tosh]

Speaking of live events, come see us on tour. My first farewell tour is on sale now all over this great land. We have the toss show store.com. you want to pick up some sweet, cool merch? Now, with no further ado, I give you they Love Me, they Love Me Not. What do you got for me, Eddie?

[Eddie]

All right, Daniel, love the podcast. You should come back to Denver. When I was 14, my parents took me to see you in Denver, and the next day they told me they were getting a divorce. On second thought, maybe don't come to Denver.

[Tosh]

I remember that night I made love to your mother. I remember she was in a rush. She's like, they're in the car. I'm like, all right. Ah, memories. All right, well, that was. They Love me or love me not.

[Eddie]

Yes. I don't know. Skirts. It's kind of both sides there, but I would say I love you.

[Tosh]

That was a. He loves me, but he doesn't want me to perform in Denver. All right, fine. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I broke up their marriage. Yeah, but it was probably on the skids, right?

[Eddie]

You just gave it a nudge.

[Tosh]

Yeah. Just made love to his mom.

[Eddie]

Yeah, well, they're in the car, apparently.

[Tosh]

Well, while they were in the car, sure.

[Eddie]

Like, the show was over.

[Tosh]

The show was done. I didn't have much time.

[Eddie]

We leave right away. Normally.

[Tosh]

Yeah, I gotta go quick. All right, let's hear they Love Me Not.

[Eddie]

Hey, Tosh, I know you know this, but you're an asshole. You alienate half of your potential audience by calling us dumb for support. Trump, you've done this in other episodes, too, And I've rolled my eyes and continued to listen. No more fy.

[Tosh]

No, no, no, no. I'm not for everyone, okay? If you don't want to listen to this podcast because your feelings got bruised because I teased you for supporting a pile of dog shit, great. I'm sure there's tons of other podcasts with hysterical right wing comics. I've never heard of them, but I'm sure they exist. I'm gonna tell you the same thing my mother used to say to me as a child. Why don't you go play in traffic, you whiny cunt? See you next week.