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Zibby Owens
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John
Plays a huge role.
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Zibby Owens
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John
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Zibby Owens
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John
Hi.
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Zibby Owens
This is Zibby Owens and you're listening to Totally Booked with Zibby, formerly Moms don't have Time to Read Books in my daily show, I interview today's latest best selling, buzziest or underrated authors and story creators whose work I think is worth your time. As a bookstore owner, publisher, author, and obviously podcaster, I get a comprehensive look at everything that's coming out and spend my time curating the best books so you don't have to stay in the know. Get insider insights and connect with guests like I do every single day. For more information, go to zibbemedia.com and follow me on Instagram ibioens.
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John
Amber Ray.
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Zibby Owens
Is the author of a memoir, One Woman's Path from Good to Free.
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John
Amber Rae is a bestselling author and speaker best known for books.
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Zibby Owens
Choose wonder over worry and the answers are within you. She's also the creator of the Feelings Journal, a tool that transforms the way you engage with your emotions. Her writing and illustrations reach 9 million.
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John
People per month, and her work has.
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Zibby Owens
Been featured in publications such as the New York Times, New York Magazine, Today, Self, Fortune, Forbes, and Entrepreneur. As a keynote speaker and teacher, Amber has worked with companies such as Kate Spade, Meta, Microsoft, and Ted. Amber lives in Los Angeles with her husband, John.
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John
Welcome Amber. Thanks so much for coming on Totally Booked to talk about lovable or Loveable. We could discuss One Woman's Path from good to Free. Congratulations.
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Amber Rae
Thank you so much. You're the only person to read the title both ways, and I appreciate that deeply. About you.
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John
Oh my gosh. Well, when you mentioned it, I hadn't thought about it until the end when you were talking about like, are we able to love? Are we able to accept love of ourselves? And I was like, oh my gosh, love able? That's amazing. And then I noticed the underline and I was like, I get it. I totally get it. You actually tell us in the book and I just want to read this little thing about why you wrote the book. And then I want you to, you know, expand on that. But in your page called Baskets, you say an old proverb says that when we come into this life, our parents hand us two baskets, one full of burdens and another full of blessings. It is our task to lighten our basket of burdens and add to our basket of blessings. At the end of our lives, we hand down our own baskets to the next generation. Why are you writing this book? People often ask me. Because I need to. I say the real answer is this. I'm writing this book for me so I can heal, so. So I can lighten my basket of burdens by making sense of my history, so I can hopefully pass on more blessings to my children.
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Amber Rae
I love that. Yeah. I love how I said children.
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John
I know, right?
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Amber Rae
I only currently have one.
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John
I know.
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Amber Rae
And I'm like, that's interesting, because you have one. And you're like, can I really do this again?
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John
Let's. Let's delve into that, shall we?
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Amber Rae
Should we come up four? Let's come up four. So, yeah.
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John
Christine in our Zoom Room. I need a little therapy, right? Oh, my gosh. Okay. So you tell listeners about this extraordinary moment, this change of your life, this decision you made that affected so much else, and the uncovering of so much of what you had in the past. Just talk about the whole thing.
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Amber Rae
Yeah. So four years ago, while married, I met the person that I knew I was meant to spend my life with. And little context. It was a unfulfilling marriage. I was married to my best friend who was never my romantic partner, and I was desperately trying to convince myself that he was my person and we could make this work, and I can make this work. And if I just try harder and put more time in and do more therapy and read another book, you know, we'll make him my business partner. We'll figure it out. And it was one of those instant sliding door moments where I met this other person, and I had this kind of electric bloom inside me of, wow, okay, this is what it's supposed to feel like. And it felt like, hello again. It felt like this. You know, they say love at first sight. It really felt like recognition at first sight. Like, I see you, and I know you, and even though I don't know you, I love all of who you are. And it felt like we both were kind of feeling that, and it. That moment kind of woke me from my slumber because it's so easy for me to say now that, oh, he's my best friend, not my romantic partner, in hindsight. But I was still trying to convince. I was still very much in the convincing. And so when I met him, it was like that whole house of cards burned down, and I suddenly was seeing reality very accurately.
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John
Oh, my gosh. Well, the subtle questioning. I mean, that is marriage. If you're in this institution forever. And if it's not going well, like the work you're talking about, that's what everyone kind of has to question. I don't know, all the time. And you said for context, by the way, I'm divorced and remarried and had. Okay, I won't even go into details, but I. I found my soulmate as well, the second time. So I related to your story. I know, it's so fun. Hold on. I wanted to read one more passage, if you don't mind. Hold on.
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Amber Rae
Of course.
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John
So when you talk about the lack of acknowledgment that when you're in a marriage that maybe isn't fulfilling, you're grieving the loss of the expectation of a fulfilling marriage all along so you can actually be ready for the next thing, because you don't have to go through that. And you write that better than. I just rambled it. But you say. He stands, grabs his bag and looks back at me one last time before he walks out the front door. I expect grief to overwhelm me in this moment, but instead I met with relief. I realized later that the gnawing ache that had been growing in me slowly and steadily over the years, that was grief. The hundreds of micro moments of saying it's fine when it was really not fine. The constant pleading for emotional connection, for meaningful time together, telling him again and again that I needed his actions and words to line up so I could feel safe, only to be disappointed time and time again when they didn't. The truth is, I have already processed this loss, the anger, the sadness, the disappointment, the hope, the despair. I grieved our marriage while I was in it. And now that I have spoken my truth, I feel free and at peace. I love that so much. It's so good. It totally.
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Amber Rae
Thank you.
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John
Explains so much. Tell me more about that. Just.
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Amber Rae
Yeah. You know, I expected, when he left, to feel, you know, I almost, like. Was like, am I. Should I. I was almost like. There's almost shame there that I didn't feel grief or didn't feel more sadness about it ending. But it was the realization that, like, wait, no, I grieved this in it. And I think, you know, when I. When I share that with women, it's been interesting to hear how many women are like, oh, my God, I've been grieving it, too. And, you know, I. I just. I don't know if that has to do with our conditioning. You know, the good girl, the tolerating. I'm gonna. Please. I'm gonna harmonize I'm not gonna rock the boat. I'm gonna try to make this work. But. But yeah, you know, when I finally made the decision of I am going to honor myself, I am not going to disappoint myself and I'm going to have to tolerate the discomfort of disappointing someone and hurting someone that I do care about and love, but who's not right for me. It's the amount of peace there is like, oh, you know, the relief there of you have spent so much time just pushing down what's important to you. And it was like my soul and my spirit and my body and everything were kind of like finally, you know, like, you did the thing. Yes. Like, we don't need to keep feeling all of those feelings now. We're just gonna like, you did it. This is right. This is true. This is aligned. Let's go.
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John
It's so amazing. And the fact that you found him, that there were so many coincidences. I mean, your book made me feel like the universe has my back. Do you know what I mean? Like, all these dreams where people visited you and the messenger and the messenger and the psychic and just like the same middle names. Like, it just every chapter there was something else that like, made you too destined. So how do you feel about. I mean, I know this can sound a little woo woo to some people, right? How do you feel about that? Just make sense of it for me.
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Amber Rae
Well, it's funny because I had to leave a lot of synchronicities and serendipities out of the book because there were so many. I kept saying, like to a girlfriend and even to John. I was like, I feel like I am in a film and at any moment, like, I'm gonna see a camera set or like Ashton Kutcher is going to come running out and be like, punked. You know, it was like. And if I had put all of the serendipities into the book, it would have made way too cheesy of a book that, like, would have just been a terrible read. So I like, you know, I tried to like weave some of them in because they were, they were true. But, you know, it was the wild experience I ever had in my life in terms of serendipities. And you know, if I told you the name of my ex husband's new wife, you would be like, I'm sorry, what? But we'll leave that out.
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John
Wait, no, now I need to know. Put it in the zoom chat or something.
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Amber Rae
I share a last name and his same first initial.
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John
Oh my God.
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Amber Rae
Yeah. And so it's just, you know, it's. It's. It's like the universe, like, it's just like. It was bizarre. And I feel like. Because, you know, and I consider myself a spiritual person, and I've always been someone who kind of like looks to clues and signs. I do. You know, my father died when I was young, and I feel a greater connection with him since he passed. Like, he got in a car accident when I was 3 and had a traumatic brain injury, and so was not capable of having a connection with me while I was here or while he was here. And so I do feel his presence now that he's gone. And so, you know, I've had those feelings, but it was as if the universe was like, all right, we're going to make sure you pay attention. We are not going to let this pass you by. We're going to be, like, obnoxious with the signs, like the shooting star at the right moment, you know, we're going to make you be like, okay, I'm listening. And so that my experience as all of these. These. These things are unfolding was, okay, I hear you. I'm listening. I've got it. Like, message received. And it's funny, you know, John's last name being messenger, you know, literally is like, in our. Our son was born on 10 4, which means, you know, 10 4, message received. And so it's just. I feel like I was like, message received. I hear you. I'm listening. Yes. I'm not going to keep ignoring myself and ignoring my intuition. I'm going to act, I'm going to listen.
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John
That's amazing. You know, you share in the book really openly in a way that I haven't read anywhere else, about your own insecurity about your body and sexuality. Right. Like, John had been with all these women in the past. I'm sure most. I mean, that sounds bad. I mean, including some. You see pictures of. I mean, you know, whatever. Anyway, you're not the only one who, like, worries, right, about exes. That's why everybody's, like, stalking all their exes up on Facebook. Whatever. Anyway, so you came into it with a sense of sexual insecurity. Not sure what you were going to do.
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Zibby Owens
Were you doing it?
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John
Right? Like, how would you do it? Asking a friend for that really funny advice. Like, talk about that moment, but also putting it down into this book. How do you feel about it now? Do you get embarrassed or not embarrassed?
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Amber Rae
I mean, I remember recording the audiobook and I was blushing in moments, I'M actually recording a video with a friend tonight of moments I'm nervous that are going to be published because, you know, it's, it's one thing to like, write your truth alone, and now the world's gonna read it. And, you know, my husband's like, telling his sister and mom, okay, there's these two chapters in the book he might want to skip over, and they're like, we're not skipping over. But he's like, you know, it's, it's. And there were, you know, here I was in a nine year sexless marriage and I leave that marriage and now I'm with someone who's very connected to his sexuality. And I feel so disconnected from that part of myself. And so it was terrifying because I was like, oh, no, if I can't, you know, I. The narrative was, if I can't satisfy John, will he still want to stay? And so there was. I was not prepared for the gamut of fears and anxieties and insecurities that were going to arise when I finally stepped into relationship with my person. But, you know, I guess that's what relationships do. They inspire our growth.
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John
Well, it, it was really wonderful to have you say it because I'm sure people following you or reading it or looking at you, like, would think like, oh, well, I'm sure she, well, what does she have to worry about? You know, it's. But compare it to me or whatever and everyone, you're being able to say it just makes everybody feel better. I just know it. So.
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Amber Rae
Oh, good. Thank you.
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John
You also go back and really unpack all. Like, this is like a master class in unpacking. Like, the trauma of youth and putting yourself back together. You literally, like, peel every piece of the and figure out, like, what need young you was not getting filled. How do you go forward? Why do you pick a partner based on what you didn't get? Like, what do you do with all that information now that you have it about yourself? I know you can live more freely, but just tell me more about that.
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Zibby Owens
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Amber Rae
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Marc Maron
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Amber Rae
Yeah, I can absolutely live more freely. I also just feel like I'm making more conscious choices because on the other side of that nine year relationship, here I was a person in the world writing books and speaking on stages about following your intuition and living your most authentic life. And I was doing that in my career but like I wasn't doing that in my relationship. So here I was like Giving wisdom and not applying it to an area of my life, and not because I was intentionally pretending, but because it was unconscious and because I didn't realize the patterns that had been driving my behavior. And so when I left that relationship, I was like, how the hell did I get here? What? Like, why did I really just, like, put up with that for nine years? And, like, he's a wonderful person, but, like, did I. Did. Did we put up with that? Like, why did I put up with that dynamic? And I needed to understand, for just my own, like, person and woman, how I had gotten there and what had led to that. And so, of course, that's where a lot of the unpacking comes about. But, you know, the. The process, and even just writing this book, because it helped me process and connect the dots so much. It was like I was connecting dots as I was writing stories. Like, oh, God, that's what.
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John
Oh.
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Amber Rae
Ah. And it just, I think, has me being more aware, makes me make choices that are actually right and true and helps me live a more intentional and honest life, which I think is reflected in everything that I create and in the life I want to lead and everything else.
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John
That's amazing. Oh, my gosh. So good. When you talk about your grandparents and your relationship with them, and there's this fabulous moment where Graham is telling you, okay, just, like, block your stepdad. And you're like, I'm gonna block him. I'm like, go, Graham. Like, who are we casting in the movie for Graham in this scenario? Right? It was so awesome. Like, septuagenarian or whatever. Like, leading role. Tell me a little bit about, you know, when you think about your grandparents and this sort of inherit. All the stuff that trickles down, like, just how do you feel about those roles in your family? And. And also, you know, I know in the book you talked about doing podcast interviews and, like, having a secret and feeling uncomfortable and not wanting to get off. So I'm hoping that you do not feel like that in this conversation.
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Amber Rae
There are no secrets. There are no secrets.
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John
All right, good. Just saying you could spill them now. Like, it's totally fine. So anyway, I mean, I feel like I spilled.
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Amber Rae
I, like, told you the name. I was like, maybe I shouldn't have said the secret of the new wife in her name. I was like, maybe I shouldn't. That was the only thing I was like, maybe I shouldn't have said that.
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John
You should say, whatever. It's all good. All good. But tell me a little more about Graham and the effects of, you know, her and being cheated on and standing up to that. And then your mom and her relationship and then you and your relationships. Like, how do you make sure, like you have your new baby August? Like, how do you. What are you going to teach him? Like, how do you. Is this something you can teach or are these things just so inherited? I'm kind of rambling here, but yeah.
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Amber Rae
I think it's things that we have to model. And so this also answers your last question around, like, why did I heal? And it was like, because I wanted to model to my son. Nervous system regulation, because I wanted to model to my future children what real love looks like. Because I, you know, how, what it takes to make the hard choices, to be okay with disappointing others so you don't disappoint yourself and all those things. But my gram, you know, she was, she's just like the warmest blanket my gram is, you know, we were, we've been so close. We're still so close. I'm so grateful she's still here. Was able to meet my son and you know, I was raised by a single mama entrepreneur who had me very young and my grandmother had her very young. And we were kind of like this little like the three of us. And when I did leave and was on the other side of that nine year relationship asking myself how the hell did I get here? One of the questions I asked is what did I learn about love? And that had me get really curious and realize that all of the women in my family line that I know of have been left by men in very betraying ways. But also they betrayed themselves because they overstayed and they stayed in dynamics and situations that they knew they had outgrown or were not right or, you know, for whatever reason. But they didn't either, in their words, have the emotional strength, the financial resources, or even the like internal knowing to leave. And so they waited until the man left in, you know, a betraying way. So, you know, my grandfather on one side, you know, had an affair, many affairs, and eventually left my grandmother for the secretary. My other grandfather left grandmother for the best friend, you know, so there were, there were all these stories I realized, like, wow, okay, our, our family line story of love actually is with a little, a lot of like, hurt and heartbreak and, and, but it's also because no one was really being honest. No one was voicing what was most true. No one was. Maybe they didn't know their needs, they couldn't speak their needs, you know, everything else. And so, you know, I know the Question was about Graham. But it was very curious to just to look at that larger story and to be like, I'm gonna. I don't want that to be the story. You know, if I would have had a child, thank God I didn't. With my ex partner, like, I'm curious, maybe I would have continued that family legacy. Maybe, you know, we would have. Not that anything's wrong with divorce. I think, you know, people are like, I stayed for the kids. I'm like, don't stay for the kids. The kids don't want you to stay. These kids want to see you living your most authentic life. Anyway, I'm rambling.
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John
You talk about feeling selfish for articulating your own needs and how there's this whole trope of this selfish woman who leaves the husband to pursue love. How do you get people to realize, like, how you wrote it, that it isn't necessarily selfish to give yourself joy and all of that. Why don't you say it better?
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Amber Rae
Well, no one benefits. No one wants to be in a relationship with someone who's half in, half out. So, you know, and no one benefits when we are not prioritizing our needs, not valuing our wants, not choosing ourselves, not honoring ourselves. Like, it impacts the self and it impacts the couple. And so choosing yourself, choosing your joy, choosing what lights you up, choosing what moves you, choosing to speak your needs, choosing to have the hard conversations is not selfish, I don't believe. I think it's self honoring. And I think our culture has a lot of issue with women who are self honoring. Because the narrative is that you put yourself last. And, you know, I invite. How do we actually. The, you know, the. The plain oxygen mask. You know, I gotta put my oxygen mask on first. I have to honor myself so that I can fully show up for everyone else.
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John
All right, I'm gonna use that from now on. Anytime selfish gets bandied about in any context, I'm gonna go right to self honoring.
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Amber Rae
Yeah, yeah. Self honoring. Yeah. It's like, what would the world. What would the world be if everyone honored their joy, honored what moved them, honored their needs? Like, I think we would have a far more beautiful, vibrant, less violent, more joyful world.
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John
Hard to be more violent. And it's not getting any worse. No, I shouldn't say that. Anyway.
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Amber Rae
Did I say more violent? I meant less violent.
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John
No, no, no. I'm saying it's important. I feel like we're at the. Anyway, you write in the acknowledgments that you're grateful to John because he's a very private person for letting you write this. And I was really surprised, honestly, to read that at. Because everything was so open and there. Tell me about that.
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Amber Rae
Oh, yeah. I mean, thank God he's an artist because he believes you can't get in the way of art. And he really saw this book and the way it moved me and my urgency to tell it and that, like, knowing of this is the story I have to tell. And he honored that. And to be honest, he stayed completely out of my creative process early on and for good reason. Early on, I would be like, can I read you a draft? And it was like. I was like, do you like it? Is it good? You know, and it was like. And he's like, I don't feel like it's helpful for me to be in your writing and editing process, and I don't want you looking to me of, like, do you think this is good enough? Because, like, also, he has very different literary tastes than I do. And he's like, you need to write this book in the way that is right and true for you. And you can, like, let me read a draft at the very end. So I literally. And thank God he. Because I was a little, like, frustrated at first. I was like, I want to share my. Create that create. My creative work is such a part of me. I want to share it with you. He's like, talk to me about the process, but I don't know if you have to, like, read the words. And he was like, very. Had a very clear boundary around that. And I. Oh, I'm so glad, because I probably would have written different book because I didn't want to be like, will John think this essay is okay? Like, I mean, the sex scenes I wrote, like, the. The scene I would, you know. No, he would have been like, absolutely not. I'm so uncomfortable with that, you know, And I then just wrote it in the way that I wanted to write it and in the way that I wanted to tell it. And, you know, he was the first reader of the final thing, and he was like, this is very. You know, this is uncomfortable. But also, I, like, love you. I believe in your art, and I support. I support this, you know, being out there. So I was just. And he is. He's such a private person. So it's been. It's. It's been, you know, it's been interesting. But it's also. I feel like, encouraging, like, opening things for him, like, you know, bringing more vulnerability into his work because, you know, his. I can't. There's without going into too much detail. Like his art actually kind of explores different Personas in different. What are they called, you know, when like an artist has a different name?
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John
What do you mean? Different medium or something or like synonym.
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Amber Rae
Anyway, but like the pseudonymous pseudonyms. Thank you. Yes. It's bringing more, I feel like vulnerability into his work. So it's cool to see how we push and influence one another.
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John
Is he gonna come with you on your book tour? I feel like he will be a hit.
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Amber Rae
He will be coming on the book tour and so will August be coming on the book tour.
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John
Oh, yay. Amazing. Well, Amber, I loved this book so much. I feel like you and John and my husband Kyle and I should like go to dinner. We can share stories that we can't share on the podcast or something really fun. Anyway, thank you for sharing. Thank you for your authenticity. And I just loved it and it's been great getting to know you.
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Amber Rae
Thank you. Thanks. Same.
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John
Okay. All right. Well, take care.
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Amber Rae
Yeah, you too. And I'll see you in.
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John
I'll see you at the bookstore.
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Amber Rae
Exactly.
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John
I can't wait.
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Amber Rae
Yeah.
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John
All right.
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Amber Rae
Okay, bye. Take care.
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