Celebrity Spotlight: Gina Gershon

Summary

Totally Booked with Zibby

Episode: Celebrity Spotlight: Gina Gershon
Date: April 16, 2026
Host: Zibby Owens
Guest: Gina Gershon, author of Alpha Pussy: How I Survived the Valley and Learned to Love My Boobs

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, Zibby Owens welcomes prolific actress, musician, and author Gina Gershon to discuss her latest memoir, Alpha Pussy: How I Survived the Valley and Learned to Love My Boobs. The conversation weaves through Gershon’s childhood in the San Fernando Valley, her early brushes with danger, her navigation of Hollywood’s challenges as a young woman of non-traditional “Hollywood” looks, and ultimately, her reflections on family, resilience, and self-acceptance.

Throughout, Gershon and Owens share laughter, moments of vulnerability, and insights into both writing and personal growth, making this episode a dynamic look at both the entertainment industry and the forging of female identity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Surviving the Valley: Instinct, Survival, and Near Misses

• Reflections on Risky Childhood Moments
  Gershon recalls nearly being abducted and facing predatory men — both in Hollywood and in childhood — but always escaping through a mix of survival instincts and luck.

  "I know. I kind of forgot about all these things. ... specifically about the Valley, I was just like, wow, that was kind of a close call." (05:33, Gina)

• Early Development of Intuition
  Gershon attributes her “spidey sense” of danger to both her family environment (playful sibling rivalry, strict morality) and growing up in a world where girls had to be constantly vigilant.

  "You know, it gives you a certain spidey sense ... Something is brewing over there. ... That allowed me, I think, to navigate through a lot of things." (06:34, Gina)

2. Family Dynamics and Formative Lessons

• Sibling Influence
  Gershon’s older sister instilled both strict boundaries and strong values, shaping Gina’s worldview.

  "My sister now ... we talk literally all the time. ... But at the same time, she really instilled a lot of values in me ... And, you know, stuff like that." (07:37, Gina)

• A Defining Parenting Moment
  Gershon shares a striking anecdote about her father’s response to teenage drug use, emphasizing unconditional trust:

  “The key line in that whole thing is like, ‘there’s nothing you could ever do that you’d ever have to lie to me about.’ ... So after that we just had a certain sense of trust.” (08:17, Gina)

  Zibby notes the accidental parenting wisdom:

  "Who knew you actually wrote a parenting book?" (08:49, Zibby)

3. Hollywood Casting and Navigating Prejudice

• Too “Ethnic” for Hollywood
  Gershon reads from her memoir about being considered “too ethnic” or “too pretty to be Jewish”— confronting both sexism and antisemitism in casting.

  “Someone literally said, ‘You're too pretty to be Jewish.’ ... I didn’t quite know how to respond ... I didn’t quite understand how antisemitic it was at the time, but I knew it was weird.” (10:04, Gina)

• Gendered Industry Limitations
  Recounting a producer telling her, “Oh, you’re very smart,” (implying she should stick to acting and not be analytical), Gershon explains how women in Hollywood were penalized for exceeding expectations.

4. Chutzpah, Hustle, and Manifesting Opportunities

• Getting Her First Major Movie Role
  Gershon tells a story of how she maneuvered herself into Robert Altman’s The Player, simply by being persistent and ready for a conversation about horse-racing, which piqued Altman’s interest.

  "He's like, 'what are you doing here?' ... I said, 'well, actually, I'm an actress. ... I really want to do one of your movies' ... Next thing he's like, you're not improv? ... We'll make it up." (11:40–14:28, Gina)

• Defining “Alpha Pussy”
  Gershon explains her book’s title as a metaphor for standing one’s ground, trusting instincts, and mastering survival—learned both from cat-training and from navigating predatory people.

  “It’s really more of a, you know, know who you are, stay on your feet, don’t let someone push you off ... And it's listening to your instincts a lot.” (18:21, Gina)

5. From Anecdotes to Authorship: Why Write the Book?

• Origin of the Memoir
  Gershon shares that the book was prompted by her agent after a night of story-sharing, and intensified by COVID lockdown and quality time with her mother.

  “He said, ‘write this book. I can really sell it ... ’ and I just thought ... it’s not really my thing. ... But then COVID happened ... and my mom wasn’t well ... I was discovering so much with her.” (19:15, Gina)

• Transforming Adversity into Insight
  Gershon hopes her stories serve not as advice, but as empowering illustrations.

  “The only advice I ever have for anyone ... is to get to know your parents. ... No matter what you are, it’ll eventually add to your being free as a human being and as an adult.” (26:14, Gina)

6. Grief, Healing, and Generational Wisdom

• Losing Her Mother
  The book, intended to be a collection of funny stories, becomes deeply moving at the end, with Gershon memorializing her mother as the ultimate “alpha”—highlighting the importance of generational healing.

  "It never gets easier when you lose your mom. ... It was the only thing ... happening in real time ... it really moved me ... she really was an alpha." (24:28, Gina)

• Metaphor for Freedom
  Gershon discusses the need to break free from generational trauma:

  “I don’t want to be a prisoner to anything ... especially invisible ties that have nothing to do with me, yet they are dictating my life on some level.” (28:09, Gina)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On dodging danger:

  “I just had a very strong sense of instinct and survival and will … it gives you a certain spidey sense.” (06:34, Gina Gershon)

• On anti-Semitic casting experiences:

  “You’re too pretty to be Jewish. … I didn’t quite understand how anti-Semitic it was at the time, but I knew it was weird, you know.” (10:04, Gina Gershon)

• On persistence paying off in Hollywood:

  “I just kept badgering [my agent]...and then Altman walked by...and next thing he’s like, ‘Why don’t we just do this?’” (11:40–14:28, Gina Gershon)

• On the book not being a how-to guide:

  “It is definitely not a how-to book … it’s just my particular story.” (26:14, Gina Gershon)

• On family, healing, and advice:

  “The only advice I ever have for anyone really is to get to know your parents … it’ll add to your being free as a human being.” (26:14–27:57, Gina Gershon)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Surviving the Valley & Instincts: 05:13–07:58
• Family & Parenting Lessons: 07:58–08:52
• Hollywood Casting, Identity, and Prejudice: 09:08–11:11
• Robert Altman & Landing The Player: 11:40–14:28
• Chutzpah & the Alpha Spirit: 18:09–19:11
• Origins of the Memoir & Writing Process: 19:11–21:32
• Loss, Legacy, and Generational Healing: 24:13–27:57
• Advice and Reflections on Family Dynamics: 26:14–28:42

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

The conversation is candid, witty, and at times poignant—full of lively exchanges (lots of laughter), but also deep honesty about adversity and healing. Gershon’s stories offer snapshots of a woman repeatedly navigating sexism, danger, and antisemitism, always surviving through wit, intuition, and a willingness to be bold and true to herself.

Owens’s questions prompt moments of both wisdom and levity, making this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of show business, memoir, and the search for self-acceptance.

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Recommended for:
Listeners curious about celebrity memoirs, Hollywood in the 80s and 90s, female empowerment, Jewish identity, or the therapeutic power of storytelling.

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[Gina Gershon]

Wow.

[Zibby Owens]

The amount of times you escaped a near miss in this book of having something happen to you or getting abducted or, like, creepy men or creepy producers or lecherous Hugh Hefner people. I mean, it's really amazing. Every chapter I feel like I was like, oof, she dodged a bullet there, right?

[Gina Gershon]

I know. I kind of forgot about all these things. And as, like, stories started percolating in my head, specifically about the Valley, I was just like, wow, that was kind of a close call. Like, have. I think when I got out of it, then it was just pure survival and pure instincts, you know, just kind of like. And then. But reflecting back on everything and working on was. It was like, wow. I still had so much tension left in my body. I realized I was really scared and kind of freaked out. But, you know, I think when you're in those situations, you're just like, okay, get to point A to point B to point C, you know, as we do so many times.

[Zibby Owens]

Yeah. And you just get on your skateboard and you're like, okay, onto the next. Get away.

[Gina Gershon]

Unbelievable.

[Zibby Owens]

Unbelievable. Amazing.

[Gina Gershon]

Listen, I was really lucky that not, you know, like, really bad things happened to me. The.

[Zibby Owens]

The house with all those random guys in the neighborhood that you and your friend were, like, drugged. I mean, it's like, like, how does she get out of these things?

[Gina Gershon]

I know. I just had a very strong sense of instinct and survival and will. And I think, you know, it's also, you know, I think at that point when you grow up, it's like my brother and sister who were older, you know, there was like, they were terrorizing me at times, you know, like, just not in the crazy. I'd be like, taking my blanket and hiding things and. But, you know, when you're little, that stuff is. Really affects you. But I think, you know, it gives you a certain spidey sense of like, oh, over there. Something is brewing over there. Like, you know, check that out. And you know, on the streets of New York later on, like, all those times walking home and being like, wait, like, horrible person, two o' clock allowed me, I think, to navigate through a lot of things. You know, I mean, your sister.

[Zibby Owens]

You talk a lot about. About your family and your sister, like, drawing the line in your bedroom and being like, you will not cross that. This is my space. Like, I felt a little bad for you, I have to say.

[Gina Gershon]

I know. I mean, my sister now, she's like, yeah, you made me sound. I mean, I'm really close with my sister now. She's, you know, we talk literally all the time. I think she wanted more. I said, but Tracy, that's how you were to me when I was younger. So, you know, but at the same time, she really instilled a lot of values in me of like, don't lie to dad and you have to tell the truth. And, you know, stuff like that.

[Zibby Owens]

Now the scene in the car with your dad was really powerful when you're just like, yeah, I'm gonna do drugs again, FYI. And he just like takes a minute and it's like, okay, smoke pot at home. Like all that. Like, I was like, look at that parenting moment. Is that I'm supposed to respond as a parent? I don't know.

[Gina Gershon]

That was really good parent. Well, because the takeaway from that, he taught me about unconditional trust. Because the key line in that whole thing is like, there's nothing you could ever do that you'd ever have to lie to me about. So I appreciate you telling me that. That was the, the lesson in it. So he's like, and you know what? After that we just had a certain sense of trust. Like, I didn't want to lie to him. I'm like, you know what? I'll, I'll tell him things. And I think because of that then he respected me and treated me, you know, with that same sort of respect, you know, so it was an earned.

[Zibby Owens]

Who knew you actually wrote a parenting book?

[Gina Gershon]

See, there's one chapter. There's one chapter there.

[Zibby Owens]

A parenting pamphlet or something. Oh my gosh. You wrote towards the end when you were being cast in different roles and how you looked and all that. Can I just read this little section? Is that okay?

[Gina Gershon]

I haven't heard someone else read it.

[Zibby Owens]

Really? Oh, okay. You said. As soon as I graduated from nyu, I moved back to Los Angeles to start my career. This was the mid-80s, and as I began auditioning for film and TV roles, I was considered, quote, too ethnic for most parts. The lead roles were usually meant for blonde haired, blue eyed, American looking gals. I definitely didn't fit that bill. I would be cast as a Middle Eastern lady, a Colombian, an Italian, the devil, a dangerous, bad, mean girl. You know, anyone who had dark features. A girl once said to me that when I walk into a room, people assume I'm a bitch due to my arched eyebrows. I still don't totally understand that what I'm thinking, but maybe it's written in some casting manual. When asked about my ethnicity by a casting director, I would proudly tell the truth. I'm a Jew from the Valley that always got a Laugh followed by, no, really, what are you? When I would reply, no, really, I'm Jewish on both sides, I'd hear back, you don't look Jewish. You're too pretty to be Jewish. It was mildly insulting and definitely anti Semitic.

[Gina Gershon]

Disguise.

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[Gina Gershon]

That's absolutely true that that happened to me. And I think later on I talk about. Also I was talking about a script and the writing and the. And the producer, with no irony at all, he's like, oh, you're very smart. And I thought, well, I just, like, lost this job, which wasn't good. Like, oh, you're an actress. Like, stay in your lane. You're not supposed to be analytical about the whole thing. And it was like, and, oh, you're too. Yeah. Someone literally said, you're too pretty to be Jewish. And I was just like. I didn't quite know how to respond because, you know, you don't want to lose the job. But at the same time, I'm like, you know, my mom's really pretty. My aunt's really pretty. You know, I. I didn't quite understand how anti Semitic it was at the time, but I knew it was weird, you know.

[Zibby Owens]

Yeah, that's one of those times my husband would be like, thank you. Right. Because how do you respond?

[Gina Gershon]

That's what I said. It's like, oh, thank you. But I felt a little funny saying thank you. I think, yeah, it was assaulting my people, you know.

[Zibby Owens]

Yeah. Well, I loved hearing about. Well, I mostly love hearing about how you got through your childhood, because that was like, quite a ride. But then when we moved into your whole career and how you. How you got in and out of different parts and plays, and I really liked your scene with Robert Altman where you were just like, yeah, I'm here because I think you're awesome and I want to be in your movie. And he's like, okay, show up. And you had to miss one of your friends weddings, but you went for the party. Talk a little bit about that.

[Gina Gershon]

Yeah, well, I was new, you know, I just had gotten out of college and I had an agent, and I hear they were casting for, you know, an Altman movie. And I loved Robert Altman films. And I'm like, wait a second. The Player. Like, it's about studio executives, and I'm like, I'm perfect for that. Like, I, you know, I see those little D girls running around and. But they said the part was cast, and I just kept, you know, going, how am I not in this movie? Like, it just feels like the right Fit. And so I just kind of kept badgering her and she said, listen, it's cast. It's like done. They're going to be starting, you know, in a month or something. And she said, why don't you just go meet Scottie Bushnell, who was his then producer and casting person. And it's like for the next one. So then at least you know, they're a very close knit thing and blah, blah, blah. I was like, sure, you know, I'll meet anyone. And so as I was waiting in the office, for some reason, that's what. Remember when Joffers were in? They were like a fashion look. Yes.

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I could never pull those off, but yes, I remember them well.

[Gina Gershon]

I don't think I pulled them off, but they look cute. Like they were good with a pair of boots and a white T shirt. I'm like, this is, this is respectful and kind of good. Like, I don't know, maybe it was the only thing I had clean. But for some reason I decided, well, this is what I'm wearing. It felt very American or something. And then I'm sitting there and then next thing I know the door is open and I'm waiting for the meeting. And then Altman just kind of walked by and I like, ooh, that's him. And then he kind of walked back and he noticed my Joffers and he's like, what, do you ride the horses? And I said, no, not really, but I play him. Not realizing he was a gambler, you know, went to the racetrack and then we just got in a huge conversation about, you know, Pinkai, like all these different jockeys and Santa Anita versus Hollywood park and blah, blah, blah. And after a while he's like, what are you doing here? Like, literally, why are you here? Because he's like, what is this weird horseback, you know, pony gambler? I said, well, actually I'm an actress. And that's when I came. I said, I really want to do one of your movies. And so I'm here to meet Scotty and. And I guess he decided he. I was okay because I, I knew how to bet on horses and. And he just said, have you ever done anything? And I just done a Rob a John sales film. I said, well, I've only really done this, you know, that something he might know. And he liked him. And next thing he's like, you're not improv. And I'm like, yeah. He's like, great, why don't we just do this and can you for two weeks and we'll make it up. I said, well, but my part's already cast. He's like, yeah, but we'll just make it up. He's like, you want her part? You're like the D girl who wants to be the executive. I was like, that's pretty cool. That's how that happened.

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It's like the whole book. It could be called like chutzpah. Like the whole thing is like you just like getting what you want. You like manifest and you show up and somehow it like works out most of the time.

[Gina Gershon]

Do you feel like that most of the time? I clearly didn't tell the stories that things didn't work out if they didn't fall under the category of maneuvering or thinking fast or being in the flow. You know, if it didn't, like, the alpha pussy is really more of a, you know, know who you are, stay on your feet, don't let someone push you off or tell you what to do, what you don't want to do. And it's listening to your instincts a lot. So if it didn't fall under that category, I just, I don't know. I didn't write about it. Although I keep, I'm sure I keep thinking about like, oh, yeah, I should have put that story in there. I mean, good.

[Zibby Owens]

A good book is never done.

[Gina Gershon]

I guess. It's never done. I know. Like, oh, why didn't I talk about that? I think at some point I'm just like, oh my God here. Just like my publisher's like, you have to stop writing. I said, but let me just Fix this one little bit.

[Zibby Owens]

And what made you write the book to begin with?

[Gina Gershon]

You know, I never really mean to write a book. I still don't consider myself a book writer. Although when I wrote Camp Creepy Time, that was my brother's idea and he just wouldn't write it. I kept saying, you should write this book. It's a really good book and I could make it into a movie. And then it was one of those passing it back and forth, back and forth until finally we both wrote it together. And the last book, In Search of Cleo, How I Found My Pussy and Lost My Mind, was literally the story about my last cat. But I was doing a one woman show showing my music, but using that as a kind of a clothing line to like hang the songs on because it all made sense. And then I got a book deal out of it. So I'm like. So this came about. I was with my friend who happens to be my book agent as well, David Kuhn. And, you know, we were a little tipsy one night and I did what I don't usually do. I. I started telling like these showgirl stories just because I think we were in a long line and we had to kill time. And I just. I don't know, I was a little tipsy. And the next day he's like, you know those stories you told me? He goes, you're literally sitting on a whole book. He's like, you know, you. I kept saying, I want to live upstate. He's like, you could get a place upstate, you know. He said, write this book. And I could really sell it for a lot of money and all that. And I just thought, I don't know, it's not really my thing. I'm not like a tell all sort of girl. And then Covid happened and everyone was in lockdown. He said, just start writing stories and just send them to me. I thought, I'll just write little essays. It'll be something fun to do. And it was making him laugh. And next thing I knew, he's like, great, I'm. I'm taking this out. I said, no, no, you're not. I said, I actually don't want to write this book. Because at the time there was a lot of stories in there. And I thought, I don't know. The world is so crazy. And I just thought, do I want to add. I don't want to add anything icky to the world. And I don't want to throw anyone under the bus. It's not really my style. I'm fairly Discreet. But then one thing led to the other and my mom wasn't well, and so I was spending a lot of time with her and I was doing a lot of therapy and so much stuff was coming out and I was discussing discovering so much with her. Then somehow the showgirl sing, that alpha story comes up because it really was that story. The forward really did happen, you know, when people kept checking out my chest and saying, oh, you're doing Showgirls. And I, I was so uncomfortable going, you know, why am I backing away and mumbling and saying stupid things? And then I thought about, you know, my cat training. I go into that and how, you know, with my little male cats, this little, you know, game we made up. And so I, I'd stare, stare, stare, they'd stare, stare, stare. And finally when I won that game, I became the alpha pussy. So my cat didn't wreak havoc and didn't turn me into his little victim that he could scratch and beat up and do anything he wants. So when I tried that on a human being, it. I found that that worked. I thought, God, you just gotta kind of look someone in the eye and say, hey, you know, I'm doing this, this, this, you gotta back off, you know. And they, they do. Usually. I'm certainly not talking about, like, killers or, you know, total sociopaths. In that case, just run. Don't be in that at all. And I noticed that there's. There was. I tell stories to certain friends of mine, like younger actresses or this girl who went to a spiritual retreat and they were younger, they're in their 30s, and they would tell me things and I'd be like, well, you got to look at the person in the eye and say, hey, man, you're making me uncomfortable. And you're like, oh, no, no, no, I can't. You know, we will tell the producer or we'll tell this person, or I told ol friends and it's like, yeah, but until you could look someone in the eye and speak your truth very nicely, you're always going to be having this tension that you have in your body right now. And I remember this one girl, she said, well, you know, you know how to do that because you're just so tough. And that, I think, is the line that turned into the alpha book. Because I thought I'm like, but I'm not. I. I was not. I had to become that way in order to navigate, you know, toxic situations or bullies or icky people. So I think that was maybe the seed of, oh, I Could write a whole bunch of these stories because I realized I had a lot of them. And people seem to like to. You know, I tell stories. You know, I was thinking, I'm not writing this. I'm more like a storyteller. And hopefully it's really fun. And if something slips in that's slightly meaningful to you, fantastic.

[Zibby Owens]

I feel like you could continue this one on as a. As a one, one man show, right? You could just, like, tell all these. I'm sure it would be even funnier. Well, you probably did the audiobook, which I haven't listened to, right?

[Gina Gershon]

I did the audiobook. It's hard because I want to, of course, make it funny. And the audiobook I started listening to and I thought, oh, my God, I can't. I can never listen to myself anyway. But, like, the Valley stuff, I found myself, like, kind of like going in that sort of voice. I'm like, why wasn't there anyone saying, don't know, you don't have to, like, act Valley anymore. But that's just me. I. I hope it's funny. A lot of people, I. I like it that it's meant to make people laugh and.

[Zibby Owens]

No, no, it still is. I'm just saying you could. You could imbue, like, there could be even more life to it. Not that it's not. Anyway, whatever. I'm also up.

[Gina Gershon]

We'll see. We'll. We'll see.

[Zibby Owens]

You know, you never know. And I'm so sorry, by the way, at the end of your book to hear about your loss, and that was just so sad and, oh, my gosh, how are you? How are you doing with that? And has writing about it helped?

[Gina Gershon]

You know, it's now three and a half years ago, really. You know, it never gets easier when you lose your mom. It's like a thing. It's a real thing. My sister just called me yesterday. She's like, I'm really missing mom today. I said, I know. Like, every now and then you're like, are you here? Or. You know, it's the one part of the book that wasn't meant to be in there because I thought, oh, funny stories, funny stories. Little essays, little antidotes, you know, and it was the only thing that was kind of happening real time in my life. And that whole, you know, president of the Girls League, you know, that whole story that I found out during that time and then when. And it just. It really moved me. And I realized at some point I started the whole thing off, you know, being in the womb as a Setup to, like, how I'm kind of used to being on my own, and it's good study for being in showbiz. And. And then all of a sudden, I realized, oh, my God, I start with that I could tell this story, because the more I thought about it, I was like, wow, she really was an alpha. And the only reason I'm happy she's not alive now is because she would just be so stressed out and so horrified of everything going on in the world right now, you know, and when you're older, you just watch the news all day. And I just. I. I'm glad she's not seeing it, because she was already freaking out, you know, but she's like, I remember when I had a fight to get my name on the credit card, and she was making money, she had her own company. So it was kind of a beautiful, like, side tribute. But I almost took that out. I'm like, oh, it's so emotional.

[Zibby Owens]

I'm so glad you left it in. It was really. You know, because after going through your whole life with you, to see that happen, like, we're all just so rooting for you, and then it. We feel that so deeply. I'm so happy you put it in. I'm sad it happened, but, I mean.

[Gina Gershon]

And I have the only thing I have to say, you know, and I. I really stress to people. They're like, oh, it's a how to book. I'm like, it is definitely not a how to book. And it's not, you know, this is the guide to whatever. It's. It's not an advice book. It's just my particular story is how I got from point A to point B to point C and how I navigated through it. But the only advice I ever have for anyone, really, is to get to know your parents. And I think it's really important to. No matter what you are, you know, because I think it'll. Ultimately, it'll eventually add to your being free as a human being and as an adult, and even better yet, if you know what their relationship was to their mom and dad, because that will explain a lot. And you go from anger to kind of compassion to then all of a sudden, it's an interesting thing at the end of a parent's life or the mother's, anyway, in my. You know, you almost switch roles. You do become the parent a little bit. But I think our job, you know, I really feel like there's a need to, like, release ourselves from our DNA of the. The layers of trauma of Our family, whatever it is. And in this case, I felt very lucky because then I felt like I got to release her of her own shadows that she wasn't even aware of, that I'm acting out. But once she was like, wow, I haven't thought about this and had a big release. It was like a double whammy and was so beautiful. And I really felt happy about that. So, you know, I always stress to people even. Especially if they don't have a good relationship. It's like, it's important because there's a healing, even if it's not for them, for you. You know, I think I stand behind that.

[Zibby Owens]

Well, that's really, really valuable advice and something that so many people need to hear because life can get so busy and you're just like, I'm doing this and doing that, and y have to stop. Like, what's really important, what's going to be important later. Right.

[Gina Gershon]

Or if you know something, you know, as adults, you know, I think it's such a cop out. Well, that's just the way I am, you know, like, you know, my family's like that and I'm like that. It's like, it's such a cop out, you know, I don't want to be a prisoner to anything. Like, especially invisible ties that have nothing to do with me, yet they are dictating my life on some level. So I. I just always want to figure out what it is so I could be free of it. That. I mean, I don't know if that comes across in the book or not, but that's always my impetus, I think.

[Zibby Owens]

No, I love that. I really love it. Gina, thank you so much. I've loved talking. I could obviously, I wanted. I could keep talking all day. You have so much more in here. But. But thank you.

[Gina Gershon]

I love your store so much. You know, I live. When I lived in la, I lived in Santa Monica. I lived. I lived on Montana. No, just off of Montana. And then I lived in Rustic Canyon. So that whole section. So I've always. Your books are so great.

[Zibby Owens]

Aw, thank you. Well, you're always welcome and come on in. Okay. All right. Thanks so much.

[Gina Gershon]

See you later.

[Zibby Owens]

Okay, bye.

[Gina Gershon]

Bye.

[Zibby Owens]

Thank you for listening to Totally Booked with Zibby, formerly Moms don't have Time to Read Books. If you loved the show, tell a friend, leave a review. Follow me on Instagram, Iby Owens and Spread the Word. Thanks so much. Oh, and buy the books.

[Gina Gershon]

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