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- [00:00]
Melissa de la Cruz
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Zibby Owens
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Sarah Schiller
Thank you. We're excited very much.
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Zibby Owens
Okay, how did this graphic novel that takes place, well, sort of culminates in the SLU Moo Institute. How did it take shape? How did it come to be? And how did you all team up?
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Melissa de la Cruz
So Karen, Sarah's co founder of SLU Mu, and I go back, you know, many, many years, let's not count. But we were writers together in our 20s and my daughter was the one who actually introduced Karen to slime. They were playing with slime when Maddie was, like, 9 years old. And I remember Karen was really interested in it. And I think that, you know, kind of sparked an interest and kind of led, you know, years later to Slumu. And, you know, we enjoyed going to Slumu, loved going to the playground. And then after you guys were around for a couple years, you know, you were looking for, you know, to kind of expand into the media space. And Karen asked me if Mike and I would be interested in, you know, writing an origin story and helping kind of craft, you know, the media story for Slumu.
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Sarah Schiller
Not just helping. Melissa and Mike did craft the origin story. Karen and I knew from the moment we saw our cute Slumu, like, logo that Slumu was going to have a whole life and a whole group of friends. And we had wanted to bring Sli mu to life for a really long time. And the fact that we got to work so closely with Melissa and Mike was a great experience, especially because it took a long time for this book to be born.
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Melissa de la Cruz
Yes, it did. It was a gestational period that was very long.
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Zibby Owens
Well, I should have. I should have prefaced the whole thing by saying how obsessed my kids are with Slu Mu and that we've been to multiple locations. My son was actually there again this weekend with friends. So we are sort of frequent shoppers, if you will. So we. And I. We had a birthday party there. So, anyway, I understand the whole sensory, immersive experience, how it takes you out of your. Of your life and lets you play, which so few experiences do today. I know you don't call it a museum or anything like that, but it is a. It is an experience. So maybe for people listening who might not understand what I'm even talking about with Slimu and what we're. What it is. Can you just describe it? And I also find your origin story, your actual origin story for it, incredibly poignant and meaningful. Can you talk a little bit about all of that?
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Sarah Schiller
Yeah, sure. Well, similar to Melissa and Karen, Karen and I have been friends for 18 years. We met over a joint love of contemporary art, and through that friendship, both went through some really difficult personal traumas. I have an older daughter who was born with a rare genetic syndrome that's very, very debilitating. She can't speak or do any activities of daily living. And then my husband woke up at the age of 50 and had massive bilateral strokes, and he's profoundly disabled. Can't speak, can't do any activities of daily living. So the day to day was really, really difficult. And Karen was beside me that whole time. And then her husband lost his life due to mental illness. And then her cousin was murdered in the Parkland school shooting. And she was really down and out when Melissa and her daughter came over with slime. And Karen discovered joy through slime and was like, I gotta bring this to Sarah and her daughters. So she brought the slime over. And then we saw my two daughters, my disabled daughter and my typically developing daughter playing together as if they were completely equal in peers. And Karen and I just looked at each other and said, we have to bring this to the world. How can we bring this to life? Like, more people need to experience this. This is not the slime of our childhood. It's something way different. And Sumu Inst Institute was born a year later. It went from PowerPoint to funding to this immersive experience. And now we have seven in the US and it's really something where people can go in and leave all the stress behind, put their phones down and roll up their sleeves, get their hands sticky and do everything from walking on slime, slingshotting slime. And the best part is custom making their own slime that they can take home with them, bring a piece of the experience back to remember and play with.
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Zibby Owens
And I know that Karen's experience herself informed the opening. And you saw your daughters playing. Like, do you also. Did the two of you play with slime? Like, are you into it? Both of you?
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Melissa de la Cruz
You play with slime?
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Sarah Schiller
Yes, we're obsessed with slime. We play with slime every day. You know, we probably could have a lot of different jobs or careers, and we've chosen this one. You really can't complain when you wake up every morning and your mission is to deliver joy and you get to play and you get to remind adults that they can play too. And it's an important part of. Of your life if you want to be healthy.
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Zibby Owens
That's amazing. Yeah, I prefer kind of butter slime. I'm. I don't know, a butter slime or maybe cloud. I don't know. Actually, my son just brought home. It wasn't even slime, but from your store snow that we made, like in a bowl, I can't remember. And now, of course, there's snow everywhere. But anyway, thank you. Now we have snow in the freezer. Artificial real snow outside, instant snow is
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Sarah Schiller
used to make slime. So that's one of the ingredients in a snow fizz slime. So you can now make slime if you want to get some glue and have at it? It's a good winter day activity.
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Zibby Owens
Thank you for filling my afternoon. We will be doing that.
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Sarah Schiller
And making Friends has slime recipe in the back too. I saw that.
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Zibby Owens
I did see that.
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Sarah Schiller
Yeah. One of the things we're trying to do besides bring joy to life through the graphic novel, but also infuse it with the science and the craftiness that is part of SLIMU Institute's fabric.
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Zibby Owens
And let's talk more about the actual book, because the book, even without there being a Sli mo Institute, if this was all fiction, it would still be a story of overcoming boyfriend. Shaming is the wrong word. But when a friend doesn't acknowledge you in school and how that feels when you are missing a parent, when you are longing for something that you just can't seem to find. Also, girls loving science. There's so much cool stuff in the book that you've really packed in there. Melissa, I know you're a total expert and you've been on my podcast before and since then. By the way, one of my kids starred in the play, like in their local production. So I was thinking of you during that. But anyway, tell me a little bit about structuring the story, because it's not just people go to a place and explore. You know, there's a real heart to the story.
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Melissa de la Cruz
Yeah. You know, when we thought about the book, I really wanted to approach it, you know, the way I approach descendants. You know, where there is the Slu Mu experience already and Slu Mu, the character, you know, was somebody that the kids were familiar with. But, you know, how did Slumu come to be? What's the background story? And also, you know, who are their friends? So Mike and I really wanted to, you know, create something that was as, you know, kind of iconic and legendary, but still, you know, that was relatable to, you know, our age group of readers, you know, from 5 to 12. You know, it's a kind of a big age group, but really, I think like the 8, 9 year olds who are, you know, reading on their own would really like it. But, you know, it's that age where friendship is the most important thing. You know, what is a friend? What makes a friend? You know, how. How do you have friends? And we wanted to show the D, Daisy, who's our stem, you know, kind of slime girl, was not alone. And I remember Sarah, you were like, you know, she's not alone. Even if though she's alone in school. You know, like, kids have this whole kind of online world now. And, you know, Daisy has all these kind of fascinating, amazing friends who see her for what she is. You know, there's a, there's a way where, you know, maybe at school they don't know who you are, you know, but Daisy and her slime channel, you know, is friends with the MIT professor of slime, you know, I mean, you know, so we wanted to add that kind of fantasy element. I mean, we did really pack in a lot, you know, but, you know, it is the foundation for all the stories to come. So.
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Zibby Owens
Yeah, I saw in the back, it looks like there's going to be another one on its heels. You want to talk about that too? What is that one about?
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Melissa de la Cruz
Not yet. We're going to.
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Zibby Owens
We're not ready. Okay.
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Melissa de la Cruz
No spoilers yet.
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Zibby Owens
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Sarah Schiller
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Zibby Owens
What is your hope with the book? Will exposing people to slumu who didn't know about it, Showing people that they're not alone. Like, what else do you have? What are the hopes for the book?
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Melissa de la Cruz
I mean, I always want to entertain kids. You know, I want kids to read the book and laugh and you know, like the story and you know, see themselves in Daisy or fall in love with Daisy or fall in love with Wren. I mean, as a reader, you know, I just want the kids to want more, you know, like what is next? You know, and I guess we can say a little bit. So the next one introduces more of our characters. We have, you know, about four kind of main characters of kids who become involved in slumu Institute. And they're, you know, they're slumu sidekicks, which is what we call slumu. So slumu is not just slumu. Slumu is the experience. Slumu is the kind of species that they are, you know, sentient slime, you know, so kind of kind of expanding the adventure, the mythology. Yeah. I like to. I like to write books that are addictive. You know, I think, you know, turning kids into readers, you know, and having a graphic novel be kind of a gateway book. You know, you pick up the sloo Moo Mickey friends and then you want to read other graphic novels and you want to read more books. I mean, it's really about turning kids into readers is what the goal is. Always.
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Sarah Schiller
I love that I couldn't echo that more. Especially as a mom and the mom of a reader. I want kids to fall in love with reading. And I think Melissa and Mike's storytelling combined with the absolutely stunning, you know, artwork that we have in the book, I think will really hook kids in and get them excited.
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Zibby Owens
I agree.
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Melissa de la Cruz
Yeah. I mean, the art is amazing. We are so proud of the book. It's so beautiful and fun, you know, and just vibrant.
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Zibby Owens
So totally could all use a little injection of color and fun, even through a book, if you can't get to the experience. And what I really love about it is it shows that beauty can come from pain. Right. There is a tear that has all these powers when combined with the right elements. And I feel like, Sarah, your story, all of your stories speak to that as well. And so the pain is sort of embodied by this chemical reaction. But really it's something that in sort of post traumatic stress or post traumatic growth, a lot of people can to relate to that there. I mean, even though some things are just terrible, that there can be beauty that comes from pain.
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Sarah Schiller
I mean, that's the genius of what Melissa and Mike tapped into was. And I do think it comes from decades long friendships that Karen and Melissa had. Right. And that Karen and I have. And that darkness to light story, that ability that we embody as entrepreneurs, that you. You can be down and out and rise forth and come out on the other side and be a better person, but also give back and create something that's unbelievable and remarkable. And I think Melissa brought that to life with Ms. June, the character who creates Slumu. But what I also love and the way that I describe our young adult humans that are in the book is that they're tapping into their. Not just their own pain, but also their inner charm because Ren taps into what makes him special. Right. And I think with the age group and so many haters and bullies out there, right. It's remembering what makes you unique and makes you special that you should feel good about every day when you go to school, not about either what you're being teased on or uncomfortable with, like, remember what makes you special. And I think the book really focuses on that, too.
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Zibby Owens
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Melissa de la Cruz
Yeah. No, I mean, I definitely. When we met with Karen and Sarah, and, you know, I knew Karen's story. I didn't know Sarah's, but really, Mike and I were like, the. You know, the fictional story has to have that element of their own story, you know, and that's why we have the tear, the pain, you know, I think, you know, it's what makes us human, and I think it's part of what makes Joy so wonderful, because we know that there's sorrow, you know, in that. So we gave Miss June a little bit of a sadness backstory. And also, you know, one of the things that Sluma is so good at is talking about mental health, you know, and so we wanted to put that in, you know, the fictional story as well, you know, trying to, you know, kind of talk about, you know, depression and anxiety and all those things, you know, that kids go through, especially in this day and age. So, yeah, we're excited.
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Zibby Owens
So help me impress my kids here. Is there anything coming either in the Slumu Experience in the graphic novel world, in further expansions that's as exciting as this graphic novel debut, or just a little something fun that's coming down the pike in one way, shape or form? Or maybe it's just the book, and the book is good enough.
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Melissa de la Cruz
Songs.
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Zibby Owens
Okay.
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Melissa de la Cruz
So, you know, I think we have a Slu Moo Spotify, you know, with original songs that are being incorporated into Experience. So there's a specific Slumu Happy Birthday song. I don't know if you. When you guys did your birthday party at Slumu, if you were part of that. So I got to experience it on my birthday, and it was really exciting. So it's kind of a flash mob experience on your birthday.
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Zibby Owens
Amazing.
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Melissa de la Cruz
Which is kind of amazing, you know, and they all kind of dance around you in this Lumu dance. So, you know, and some of that, you know, we're working hand in hand with putting the stuff that's in the experience in the books and talking about how, you know, that came to light. So it's really fun to kind of create this imaginary foundation for everything because we want people to read the book, go to the store and experience it, or, you know, go to the Experience and then read the fictional story, you know, which kind of expands it, you know.
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Sarah Schiller
So, yeah, I was going to say that we. If you haven't been to all of them, every Institute is slightly different.
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Zibby Owens
Okay.
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Sarah Schiller
And One of the super cool. We have two super cool exhibits that are up and alive today. One is around sound. It's grooves, groovy groves. So you. Your body, you know, conducts electricity. The slime conducts electricity. Because there's water in slime. There's water in your body. So by playing with slime, we have a room where you're conducting your electricity in through copper bowls that then plays music. And if everyone's playing with a different bowl, it creates this symphony of sounds and a dance song. And that's something that we brought to life in a couple of our institutes, but also that Melissa and Mike were able to bring to life perhaps in future books. So we're starting to bring the world's, I guess, with intent, but also without intent. It's very natural bringing them together. We also have part of the experience around slime mold, and that's a really fun installation that's right now in Atlanta. So this ability to really connect with the science part of slime in the world of slime mold and everything and making it cool to want to love science and be a part of science, especially for young women.
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Zibby Owens
Amazing. Well, thank you both so much. Thanks for coming on to talk about the book and for writing the book and Sarah for you all for creating such a fabulous experience for families for kids and adding so much joy to the world when you could have easily chosen a completely different way of handling everything that is on your plate, which is formidable. So thank you so much for all that you give back.
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Sarah Schiller
Thank you, Zibby. Thank you, Melissa. Yay.
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Zibby Owens
Thank you. Okay. All right. Bye. Bye. Take care. Thank you for listening to Totally Booked with Zibby, formerly Moms don't have Time to Read Books. If you loved the show, tell a friend, leave a review. Follow me on Instagram, ibbyowens and spread the word. Thanks so much. Oh, and buy the books.
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Melissa de la Cruz
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