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Zibby Owens
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
And out.
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Zibby Owens
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Race the rudders.
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Zibby Owens
Race the sails.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Race the sails.
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Zibby Owens
Captain, an unidentified ship is approaching.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
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Zibby Owens
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
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Zibby Owens
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
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Zibby Owens
Hi, this is Zibbee Owens, and you're listening to Totally Booked with Zibby, formerly Moms don't have time to read Books. In my daily show, I interview today's latest best selling, buzziest or underrated authors and story creators whose work I think is worth your time. As a bookstore owner, publisher, author, and obviously podcaster, I get a comprehensive look at everything that's coming out and spend my time curating the best books so you don't have to stay in the know, get insider insights and connect with guests like I do every single day. For more information, go to zibbemedia.com and follow me on Instagram ibyoans. Elaine Goldsmith Thomas is the author of the novel Climbing in Heels. Elaine began her career at the William Morris Agency and rose by the late 1980s to become the senior vice president of the WMA and later the senior vice president of ICM, guiding the careers of, among others, Julia Roberts, Jennifer Lopez, Nicolas Cage, and Madonna. More recently, she has produced a broad successful slate of films and television series, including Made in Manhattan, Mona Lisa, Smile, Hustler's Marry Me, Emily in Paris, the Fosters, and many others. Welcome, Elaine. Thank you so much for coming on Totally Booked with Siby to talk about Climbing in Heels, a novel. Congrats.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. This is my first podcast on climbing in heels. Oh, my gosh. So, yeah, you're going to get all the good stories and then it'll be. Well, I already said that. Yeah, I'm going to have to really dig into the treasure chest.
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Zibby Owens
You'll just refer everybody back to this episode. As I said, my episode with Zibbie. You can just highlight that I'm a.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Little obsessed with you, Zibby Owens. I've got to tell, I love. I love I did a little deep dive on you. I'm a little obsessed with you. So I'm excited to be here. Anyway. Here we are.
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Zibby Owens
Very sweet. Thank you. Especially coming from you. This is very nice.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Oh, thank you.
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Zibby Owens
Okay. Elaine.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Yeah.
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Zibby Owens
Climbing in heels. Take it from the top.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
You know, I've been a writer my whole life, but I had the good fortune of doing other things. And when I, you know, when I began my climb in flats, because I've always had bad feet. I mean, sometimes clogs, but rarely heals. You know, I wanted to be an agent so badly. I really felt like I had found my calling. The. The. The drive of. Of turning a no into a yes and knowing how that felt and there are a few stories in the book. I mean, the book is fictional. It's not me. I keep having people who are reading in advance going, oh, my God, I'm at that place in the book where so and so is going down on so and so. And you walk in and I go, it's not me. But. But there is. There is a story, a few, many stories in there that are. And, and, and, and I did. I was in love with a boy who wanted an agent. And I did go agency to agency to try to get him just to deliver. You know, I was the cat delivering the mice. Whatever this guy needed, I just wanted to fulfill it somehow. And. And I did that one summer. I worked my magic and. And got him an agent. And nothing felt as good as convincing that agent that he was talented. See, I knew early on that, you know, heat is not. It's amorphous. People put their fingers in their mouth to hear, to see which way the wind is blowing. And I knew how to blow the wind.
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Zibby Owens
Amazing.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
I knew because it came from passion, because it came from my truth, which was, you're amazing. And I need the world to see it. So it really drove me. It somehow equated to my value, right? If I could get the yes, then I was worth more. What does that say about me?
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Zibby Owens
It's like Beanie's father, right? The insurance salesman who teaches her early on. This is how you get a platinum policy. It's because you have to convince people that they need something they didn't even know that they needed. And they have to see you and believe in you and what you can offer them.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
You really have to care. It's not about bullshit. It's about finding your passion and trying to spread it. You really have to care. And I really cared about this boy. I wanted to deliver. I was certain that his picture would be sort of carved in the Mount Rushmore of Hollywood. And when he got Happy Days, I was, you know, oh, my God, how will I live without him? But of course I did. But I never forgot the experience of going to. The first place I went to for him was the William Morris Agency. And I went to the receptionist there and I said, you know, I have, you know, Al Pacino dust, every short actor I could think of. And she said, triforce Lawn. And isn't it funny that four years later, because it was before college, four years later, I went back and she was still there. Of course, she didn't remember me, but I remembered her. And I imagined that maybe she remembered me. I imagined I had left my impermature on all of these people. And I knew because of that experience that I had found a calling. But the truth was, it wasn't my only calling. I have always been a writer. And once I became an agent, my clients didn't necessarily want their agent to be a writer. So I would read scripts and then I would call the writers or the directors and I'd go, if you did this at the end, and it became my zamboni me. I would polish them in my mind or give them ideas. And there was one writer who was very gracious to me in the 90s. His name is Ron Bass. He wrote My Best Friend's Wedding. He's written countless Sleeping with the Enemy, countless movies. And I had given him an idea for a movie. And he was so kind to me because I was an agent. And yeah, I was a big agent, but he gave me final draft. He set me up. This was in the 90s when still computers were like, you know, ginormous. And, and he showed me how to use it and he said, you should be writing. And so I've always kind of been a closet writer. And it's just a sign that, you know, you don't have to only be one thing, right, Zibby Owens. I mean, you can be an agent or a producer or a writer, or Jennifer's case, a singer and a dancer and an actor. You don't have to just stay in one lane. You have one life, right?
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Zibby Owens
Totally.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
They say you only live once, but the truth is you only die once. You know, live so.
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Zibby Owens
And per your book, you know, try to go out on top always.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Beanie had impeccable timing. So while I was at William Morris in the 80s as a secretary and I, you know, I was running the, the. The maze in a mouse trap where I was not the cheese that they wanted. I was chubby and I was loud and I smoked and gosh, I probably reminded them of their ex wives or their girlfriends or the yeshiva girls or whatever, but I wanted in so badly and it became, it became my focus. I was laser focused and I really believed in talent. And I also wanted to show that jerky guy who dumped me after I got him an agent. Haha. See what you missed? But it never felt the same, by the way, after I arrived. And while I was, you know, those, those years were my early 20s. I graduated early, so it was all my 20s. And you know, I fell in love when I was there. We broke up. I. The relationships you make in your 20s, especially if you're professionally climbing, can last a lifetime. And they, they left such a mark on me. And there were people that made such a difference to me. There's a character in my book, Ella Gaddy, who wears her dresses too short, whose hair is too blonde, and who doesn't give a. And she was based loosely on someone I knew who was funny and smart and, and you know, some people might have called her white trashy and she'd have laughed in their faces because she was brilliant and rose to the top and she allowed me to stand on her shoulders. And there was, there were other people who I didn't know, but I'd imagine their backgrounds. So I'd say 90% of this is imagined, maybe 80% of it is imagined. And some of it is based on things I saw, people I knew, crazy experiences I had. You know, it's hard to, it's hard to believe that, you know, how wild it was for women, how difficult it was for women, and why we needed the shoulder pads, you know, so in 2019, I, I have all of these stories, these crazy stories about what happened to me and, and those are, you know, legit stories. And then I kind of thought about other things. And so at the, actually in 2020, I, I, I called Kevin Yvain, who I had worked with at William Morris, and then he left and went to caa and we had sort of risen together. And I said, you know, I've got these stories. I don't know, I, I might like write this fictional novel. You know, it's not a memoir. It's, I want to do like a Valley of the Dolls, which, you know, I loved those, those books, those Once is Not Enough or the Jackie Collins or any of them. And I said, and it's fun and I want to give people a little peek into what it was like. And he hounded me about it. You know, I, I said it to him, maybe at lunch I said it to him or dinner. And he hounded me, when are you doing that? How are you going to do it? And finally he had a literary agent, Molly Glick, call me. And she said, look, just put together a little pitch and we'll go around to the publishing houses. And, and so I really thought about it and I went, okay. I mean, I was in between movies. You know, I have many other hats that I wear, but I, I sort of wrote like a, I don't know, a 10 page precis maybe, you know, just like a overview of what I thought of who I wanted to investigate you know, and I thought, God, wouldn't it be fun if it's the 80s, then you can explore their backgrounds in the 60s, in some cases the 50s, and how hard was it for them and who were they? And I realized pretty quickly that all of my characters were kind of formed and informed by mothers who either had their own dreams or their fears. And that also kind of gelled to make these women who they were, because, in truth, their mothers were their fuel and their kryptonite.
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Zibby Owens
So interesting. I love Beanie's mom. She is so, you know, when you talked about Zamboniing, which sort of goes through the book all the way to the end, this notion of erasing the parts of yourselves that you don't necessarily love and just, you know, let me just shorten my last name and let me just, you know, change my address as soon Midge and all these things.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
She polished her life. She polished it like. Like Botox. And, you know, that I. I was so afraid. You know, my mom knew I was writing a book. Well, so what happened is in 2020, I went to the publishing houses and I just told stories. I said, let me tell you about Beanie Rosen. Let me tell you about Ella Gatti, Mercedes Baxter, and let's not forget Sheila Day or Jamie Garland. All of these women from. From different decades who have scaled their way to the top, you know, and some of them became very much like the monsters they worked for. You know, it's hardly a feminist manifesto. It was just a slice of life. And though I didn't know it at the time, it was a great life. I was too busy climbing sometimes to notice, and I ended up having a bidding war. So I thought, holy fuck, what do I do now? Like, I really have to write it. And we were pitching it at the DAW of the pandemic. Who knew the world was going to shut down, but the world shut down. So there was every reason to do this book, Every reason. And I'd wake up every day and dream of Beanie's life, importing some things that happened to me and amplifying them. I mean, yes, my mother. I was born in Pacoima. My mother called it Arlita. Then we moved to Sepulveda. My mother called it Northridge. I never knew where I lived. I just knew I was. It wasn't good enough. But, you know, and I think my mother was terrified about this book. Like, what is she saying? Like, you know, she thought I was like a mommy dearest. And I kept saying, no, mom, this book isn't about you. It's because of you. You gave me the power and the confidence to do it. I mean, you know, she died before if she died in 21, while I was still writing at rest her soul. But, you know, I dedicated it to her and, and Miriam Rosenzweig is not my mother. But there's little elements of it and all of them, you know, Ella Gaddy has a mother who was an ex debutante and held on to that crown and didn't know what to do with her daughter, her rebellious, outspoken daughter whose legs were prehensile and wrapped around themselves for punctuation. And, and Mercedes Baxter was, you know, finds out that her, her sister was her mother. And it's the way we climb out of our life circumstances creating and then recreating the lives we want, right? And it poured out of me, Zippy. It poured out of me. It was like. Because, you know, I'd say about nine months I wrote it from, I'd say March of 20th till October of 21. I had my very first draft and then I kept, you know, rewriting and rewriting and rewriting and pulling out and St. Martin's kept saying, more sex. I just want to put that on them.
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Zibby Owens
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
And also being titillated and nauseated simultaneously. She. It was in the terrace of the sportsman's lodge where the schnitz, the schnitz, who's older than she is and quite hormonally ready, reveals himself to her. And she is sort of sickened and transfixed and it's her first sexual experience. And again, kind of tied to the fact that, you know, I'm pretty, somebody wants me. And I guess I was sort of afraid that everybody would think I'm Beanie. I'm not Beanie. And that, oh my God, how do you show this? But there's such a humanity to, I think, to her journey, even in her desperate, desperate times where I went back and forth on that line where, where she tries to convince Fish, the boy that she meets after the schnitz. She tries to convince him how great he is and quell his anxiety and assure him that he's going to make it and she's going to help him make it. And when he's. And she pays for his pictures, his headshot, she takes money from her stepfather's sock drawer, pays for his headshots, and when he's anxious, she lets him fuck her up the ass. Not true.
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Zibby Owens
I'm have to put an explicit warning on this.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Yeah, I mean, you can cut that out. Yeah, lots of blow and blow jobs. Sorry, it's the 80s. It's the 80s and there were no, no holes barred. Certainly not Beanies. So, yeah, it's a fun journey back at a woman trying to find her self worth. And the hard part was for Beanie that if she lost a client, it would somehow affect her self worth. She didn't have enough stability. So it was always about hanging on. And as she watched, you know, in. In this world with these women, it wasn't kill or be killed. It was kill or become irrelevant. And none of them, not Beanie, not Sheila Day, not Jamie Garland, not Meredith Baxter Khan and not Ella Gaddy wanted to become irrelevant. They wanted to mean something. And maybe this book is their journey to self love.
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Zibby Owens
And do you think it's your journey to self love?
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Yeah, I think coming out and saying, yes, I'm a writer and standing in the truth of that, you know, it was always easier to sell someone else's dream. You know, this is a book really about background people. I have a really interesting story. I was a secretary working for, in. In the theater department and this old man daughters up. I wrote about this in the book, actually. It happens to be this old man. And it's true. He walked up to me and he was probably in his late 70s, maybe early 80s, and he said, he sat down opposite my secretarial desk and he said, you know, they killed Marilyn. I said, what? He said, they killed Marilyn. I said, I. Oh, okay. And I kept typing and he said, you know, I didn't want them to. I mean, she loved me. She kept calling me Uncle Milty. And like, she'd call me and we'd talk and, you know, we, we ate cookies together a lot. Oh, good. Yeah. But, you know, we couldn't stop her. She was spinning. We couldn't stop her. I said, yeah, well, that happens, you know. And I'm just sort of entertaining him until he goes in to see my boss. About 20 minutes later, 25 minutes later, he leaves, walks down the hall. I said to her, my boss, Gail Naklis, who was that guy? So she pulls down one of those books, maybe an MGM book, it was before Google. And she said, and she goes to the index and she finds his name and she looks at the pages and there he was. There he was. There he was. There he was in back of every famous picture you could imagine. Marilyn Monroe, the Rat Pack, Peter Lawford, Frank Sinatra. She said, he was the guy you used to go to to get the guys. And I said, oh. She said, he's a background person. You know, the background People, they're the ones. They're the keepers of your legacy. And suddenly I looked at her and I said, wait a second. He was saying to me that they killed Marilyn. And she shrugged, and she said he would know. And that's what this book is about, in a way. The background. People who maybe for a second, because they stood close enough to fame, got a little bit of fame themselves. They display pictures of themselves with famous people in their office as if their fame would rub off on them, as if it somehow gave them power. It's about that, I think, and other things.
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Zibby Owens
And family.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
I've been talking too much.
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Zibby Owens
No, no, it's. It's really amazing. And then in addition to this, now it's, like, circling back because it will be a movie as well, right? So now it's like you can take.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
It away from yourself.
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Zibby Owens
A television series.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Yeah. What happened is I gave it to a few people when it was kind of still, you know, forming. I gave it to Darren Starr, who I used to represent as an agent. I just. I kind of wanted to set the table. I was so nervous about people judging me, and I was scared to come out with it. And so I gave it to him, and he inhaled it, and he went, I. I love it. I said, oh, thanks. He said, I want to option it. I said, oh, well, you know, you have. No, I want to option it. I said, okay, we're not going out with it yet. No, no, I'm optioning it. And really, I. I was so gobsmacked by it, I went, okay, well, let's talk about it. He said, look, you'll write it with me. I'm optioning. I've just made a huge deal at Universal. He sends it to Universal in a week. They read it. They went, oh, my God, we're taking it off the table. They haven't read the corrected version yet. So I said, okay. I talked to my agents. They went, no, this is great. And, I mean, who wouldn't want to do it with Darren Starr, right? I mean, and then Peacock read it, and they. They. They gave us an order direct to series.
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Zibby Owens
Oh, my gosh.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
So we have an order, and we'll start writing it this summer, I guess. I mean, it's. It's nutty, right? It's nutty.
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Zibby Owens
So, I mean, don't you feel like after all this, you deserve to have your dreams come true also?
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
It's not that my dreams didn't come true. It's that I have a lot of dreams, and I guess that's what I would say it's not that I was going, oh, I wish. It's that you don't only have to dream in one lane. Like, Zibby, if you want to be a director, go for it. I'll produce you. You know, like. Like, in other words. Yeah, this is happening and I am pinching myself and it is crazy, and I am scared and I. I don't have a. I don't have a thick skin. I remember one of my clients going, you know, look what they said about me in this magazine. And I went, oh, stop. Then I read something they said about me, and I was, like, hiding under the. You know what I mean? It's. I can say, oh, stop until it's about me. So, yeah, I mean, I. I think that my dreams are coming true, and I think that it's a lesson that the best is yet to come. The best doesn't live in the rear view. You can take the rear view and let it inform where you want to go. Go. And I have to thank Jennifer for that because, man, here I am running her company, producing with her, writing a book, promoting the book, going to write a series, you know, and people go, how do you do it? I go, I don't know. I guess I'll figure it out. But it's a reminder that the only thing stopping you in life sometimes is you. Right?
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Zibby Owens
Such important messages that you're sharing.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Yeah. I mean, I. Again, I don't take it or myself too seriously. I think it's a fun romp in the 80s.
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Zibby Owens
I don't see why anybody would object to the book at all. It is fun. It's poignant. The whole. Mother, daughter. The. This hilarious stuff about dieting and eating, which, like, people today are like, wait, what? It used to be like, what? And I'm like, it was like this for everybody. Like, all of these things. So many people will see themselves in one slice of a character or another that it will be hard to not sort of fall in love with some of the characters.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Thank you. I am hearing that from people as they read it that they are touched by Beanie, which touches me.
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Zibby Owens
The voice is great. That's really something you can't teach. You can't. Sorry, there's a siren. But, you know, you can't manufacture, like, a great voice, and your voice is unique and it's entertaining, and then you, like, wrap everything up at the end and it's great. It's very satisfying.
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Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
My book company was mad at me about the way I was ending it. Like, you know, How I began. And I don't. Can I say it? Well, I begin it that way. So I guess I can say it right, that one of my characters dies. But, you know, the thing about this character is she always had perfect timing. She. She knew how to sign a client. She knew how to end a meeting. And, you know, when she did the math in her head, if you die on top, that's a legend, because you can only stay up so long, right? And that was her rationale. So I so appreciate your enthusiasm. I so appreciate your words. I'm. I am excited for people to read it. I'm excited to make it into a show. And I've really loved writing the book. I really loved. It was like, I would visit these women, these men and women, and whenever I go, I'd carve out time. I started to get up at 4 or 5 in the morning to do it so I could do my other job. And it was so fun because I went into their world and I imagined it and I'd research, because I didn't remember all that stuff from the 80s, so I'd have to do research, and then I'd look it up, and then I could do anything because I was imagining it. And that was fun for me.
- [34:18]
Zibby Owens
It's amazing. Well, you can tell that it's fun. You can always tell if something is done with love and done with energy and excitement, and I definitely got that from this book. And I'm very excited for you. And thank you for talking to me today about climbing in heels and just so excited to see it come out into the world and all the good stuff. So congrats.
- [34:40]
Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
Thank you. Zibby Owens. I'm a little obsessed with you too, and I will refer to you more because you're Zibby. And I hope the next book party you have, you'll invite me, because I hope I can be on one of the two coasts.
- [34:52]
Zibby Owens
Please come. Yes. Yes, 100%.
- [34:54]
Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
All right. All right, thank you. Bye.
- [34:56]
Zibby Owens
Bye. Thank you for listening to Totally booked with Zibby, formerly Moms don't have time to read Books. If you loved the show, tell a friend, leave a review, follow me on Instagram, ibbyowens, and spread the word. Thanks so much. Oh, and buy the books.
- [35:19]
Hannah
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- [36:14]
Zibby Owens
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- [36:49]
Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
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- [36:51]
Zibby Owens
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- [36:55]
Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
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Zibby Owens
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- [37:04]
Elaine Goldsmith Thomas
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Zibby Owens
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