Lisa Cheek, SIT, CINDERELLA, SIT: A Mostly True Memoir

Summary

Podcast Summary: Lisa Cheek on Sit, Cinderella, Sit: A Mostly True Memoir

Podcast: Totally Booked with Zibby
Host: Zibby Owens
Episode: Lisa Cheek, SIT, CINDERELLA, SIT: A Mostly True Memoir
Release Date: January 16, 2025

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Introduction to Lisa Cheek and Her Work

In this engaging episode of Totally Booked with Zibby, host Zibby Owens welcomes Lisa Cheek, the vibrant author of Sit, Cinderella, Sit: A Mostly True Memoir. Lisa, a frequent presence at Zibby’s book retreats and a beloved figure in Zibby’s bookstore, brings a unique flair with her distinctive pink hair and an infectious enthusiasm for storytelling. With a background as a writer and film editor, Lisa transitions from a 25-year career in editing TV commercials to authoring her own memoirs, inspired by personal adventures and profound life changes.

Zibby Owens introduces Lisa with warmth:
“Lisa has come on every single Zibby retreat that we have had and comes to Zivi's bookshop all the time. Her pink hair sets her apart, and she is a fan favorite, everybody.” (00:44)

The Journey Behind Sit, Cinderella, Sit

Sit, Cinderella, Sit chronicles a transformative four-month period in Lisa's life at the age of 45. After a fulfilling career in editing TV commercials, Lisa finds herself abruptly unemployed as the industry shifts towards younger talent. This unexpected turn propels her into an unforeseen adventure in China, where she collaborates on a unique Cinderella story project.

Lisa recounts the genesis of her memoir:
“My book is about four months of my life... they wanted the young, hip kids... I was basically told that I had aged out of commercials and found myself without a job.” (02:14-02:34)

She humorously shares her initial reluctance to divulge her experiences, highlighting the cultural and linguistic barriers she faced while working on a project in Yunnan, China:
“I wind up going to Yunnan along the Tibetan border with an entire Chinese crew who didn't speak a word of English and I didn't speak Mandarin.” (03:08-03:22)

Navigating Cultural and Professional Challenges

The memoir delves into Lisa's immersive experience in China, where she grapples with language barriers and cultural differences while contributing to a film project inspired by ancient Cinderella narratives. Despite the chaos, including language misunderstandings and logistical hurdles, Lisa finds beauty in unexpected places and discovers her own resilience.

A particularly memorable moment from the transcript showcases Lisa’s creative storytelling:
“… like spotting an albino mountain gorilla riding a polar bear while eating a pineapple on a safari in the Serengeti. There just weren't that many of us. I'm sorry. I love that line.” (02:44-03:15)

The Role of Kindness and Personal Growth

Central to Lisa’s narrative is the theme of kindness transcending language barriers. She emphasizes how simple acts of kindness from strangers made a significant impact on her journey:
“The big one is life is an adventure... Kindness is a universal language. I had so many experiences. There were people who were just so kind to me through a smile or through giving me something... they were there when I needed anybody.” (18:33-19:25)

This realization not only shapes her memoir but also fuels her passion for storytelling, illustrating how unexpected kindness can create profound connections across cultures.

Personal Reflections and Inspirations

Lisa delves into her personal life, sharing poignant reflections on her family's influence and her father's passing:
“My father died in 2018... he raised me, mostly. He would read a book a day... he said that Heaven has the best library.” (08:52-12:16)

Her transient childhood, marked by frequent relocations worldwide, prepared her for the cultural immersion she later experienced in China. This background fosters her ability to adapt and thrive in unfamiliar environments, a trait that becomes pivotal in her memoir.

Embracing Change and Creativity

Lisa’s adventurous spirit is further exemplified through her bold decision to dye her hair pink during the COVID-19 pandemic. This change symbolizes her willingness to embrace new identities and connect with others:
“I walk into grocery stores, young people talk to me... it’s like having a pet. Like having a dog with me.” (15:06-16:12)

Her hair transformation not only boosts her confidence but also serves as a conversation starter, much like the unconditional love provided by dogs, which Lisa passionately advocates for.

Upcoming Projects and Future Endeavors

Looking ahead, Lisa shares her excitement for future projects, hinting at two more memoirs in the pipeline: one focused on a single night of her life and another spanning ten days. She provides a tantalizing glimpse into her next book about her marriage at 49, emphasizing themes of love, patience, and personal growth:
“The first one... is about getting married at 49... It was getting married for the first time at 49.” (20:24-20:53)

Advice for Aspiring Authors

Concluding the episode, Lisa offers heartfelt advice to aspiring writers, stressing the importance of community and continuous learning:
“Just keep writing and go to where other writers are. It’s such a lonely place when we’re at home and we're in our head... being surrounded and in the middle is the best place to be.” (21:43-22:14)

Closing Thoughts

Zibby Owens wraps up the conversation with heartfelt congratulations, celebrating Lisa’s achievements and expressing excitement for her future works. Lisa reciprocates the gratitude, lauding Zibby’s bookstore and retreats as invaluable spaces for connection and inspiration.

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Notable Quotes:

• Zibby Owens: “I love how you described this... like spotting an albino mountain gorilla riding a polar bear while eating a pineapple on a safari in the Serengeti. I love that line.” (02:44)

• Lisa Cheek: “Kindness is a universal language... they were there when I needed anybody. And that is amazing.” (18:33)

• Lisa Cheek: “It’s like having a pet. Like having a dog with me. It’s like immediate conversation.” (15:06)

• Lisa Cheek: “Life is an adventure... when one door closes, a window opens, and you fly out of that.” (18:33)

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Conclusion

This episode of Totally Booked with Zibby offers a deep dive into Lisa Cheek’s inspiring journey from a seasoned film editor to a celebrated memoirist. Through candid conversations, poignant reflections, and vibrant storytelling, Lisa shares invaluable insights on resilience, the power of kindness, and the beauty of embracing life’s unpredictable adventures. Her memoir, Sit, Cinderella, Sit, emerges as a testament to the magic that unfolds when one steps out of their comfort zone and into the unknown.

For listeners seeking motivation, inspiration, or simply a captivating story, Lisa Cheek’s narrative is a must-listen. Her journey underscores the importance of storytelling as a means of personal growth and connection, resonating deeply with Zibby Owens’ mission to curate and share stories that enrich and inspire.

Transcript

[Zibby Owens]

Hi, this is Zibby Owens, and you're.

Listening to Totally Booked with Zibby, formerly Moms don't have Time to Read Books. In my daily show, I interview today's latest best selling, buzziest or underrated authors and story creators whose work I think.

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Lisa Cheek is the author of Sit Cinderella, a mostly true Memoir. By the way, Lisa has come on every single Zibby retreat that we have had and comes to Zivi's bookshop all the time. Her pink hair sets her apart, and she is a fan favorite, everybody. So I am beyond thrilled to support her work here. And, Lisa, I am just a fan of yours as a person. Lisa Cheek is a writer and film editor. After 25 years of editing and producing other people's work, she finally took the advice of friends and co workers to heart and decided to focus on telling her own stories. She lives in Los Angeles with her husband, two mutts, Josie and Elvis, Bruce Wayne, and two cats, Eartha Kitt and Trixie. A frequent traveler to all kinds of interesting places, she has several film and television scripts in various stages of development and is working on her next book.

Welcome, Lisa. Thanks for coming on to talk about Sit Cinderella, Sit, a mostly true memoir. Congratulations.

[Lisa Cheek]

Oh, thank you, Zyvi. I'm so happy to be here. It's such an honor. Thank you. Aw.

[Zibby Owens]

Well, for those listening, Lisa has come on what every retreat we've done, almost every.

[Lisa Cheek]

Every one I try, they're so spectacular, and I have the best time ever. Zibby. It's just such a great thing. Like I said earlier, it's the best party I go to.

[Zibby Owens]

Oh, and love seeing you in our bookstore all the time and seeing your book as it's, you know, I have this book, it's coming out, I'm gonna, you know, and then here's the COVID and here it is. And it's been fun to watch. So thanks for including me in this whole.

This whole process.

Tell listeners what your book is about, please.

[Lisa Cheek]

My book is about four months of my life. When I was about 45, I was told I'd been in TV commercials for about 25 years editing. It was a great life. I loved. I loved editing TV commercials. It was so fun. And, you know, they want the young, hip kids. And so I was basically told that I had aged out of commercials and found myself without a job.

[Zibby Owens]

Wait, can I actually just read that chapter? Like the first. The beginning of that chapter. I loved how you described this. Is that okay if I.

[Lisa Cheek]

Sure, I'd love that.

[Zibby Owens]

You said I turned 45 that year.

The age they put you in.

An old folks home. In the ad business, one is long in the tooth once she hits 40 in Hollywood. And I was not only over 40, but I was also a woman cutting TV commercials. Like spotting an albino mountain gorilla riding a polar bear while eating a pineapple on a safari in the Serengeti. There just weren't that many of us. I'm sorry. I love that line. Okay, keep going.

[Lisa Cheek]

Thank you, thank you. I love it. People keep asking me for quotes and I don't have any, and I'm going to pull that one now. You just gave me one.

[Zibby Owens]

Thank you.

[Lisa Cheek]

But so anyway, like everybody in Hollywood, you know, you meet people and lots of directors get their starts in commercials. Everybody from David Fincher to Michael Bay, they all started in commercials. So they all have these projects that they want to do. You always hear and you're like, yeah, sure, great. Let me know when it happens. Because we all think it's never going to happen because it's so hard to make a movie. It's just so crazy. So, sure enough, luckily this guy that I had been working with before this director had moved to China and had found some documents that he thought were the original telling of the Cinderella story. It was a Cinderella story of some type. First, you know, earliest version he could find. And he'd adopted two little Chinese girls. And so it was very special to him to tell this story about two little. About a little girl and to tell it in Chinese. And he. Mandarin. Really? Let's say it was Mandarin, because I didn't speak a word of it. So I wind up taking the job, needless to say, and I wind up going to Yunnan along the Tibetan border with an entire Chinese crew who didn't speak a word of English and I didn't speak Mandarin. All, you know, I learned Nihau and I, you know, hello, and I learned Xie Xi. But that was about.

[Zibby Owens]

What does xie xe mean?

[Lisa Cheek]

Thank you, hello and thank you. The two polite things. And. Yeah. And then I wind up living with 14 men who were the camera crew who didn't speak a Word of English and, you know, we were working nonstop, you know, it's 19 hour days, whatever, while everybody's shooting on the set. And it was truly. It's funny, you know, most movies and they're not very good. You know, if you take a movie, you do it for the people or for the experience. And, you know, I certainly was never lucky enough to be asked to work on an Academy Award movie. But I'm just saying, for me, when I heard about it, I thought, this is going to be an adventure of a lifetime. Right. I just. But I had no idea what kind of adventure it was going to be. And I certainly didn't think I was going to be writing a book about it.

[Zibby Owens]

I know. Did you take notes? Like, how did you know you just remembered it all?

[Lisa Cheek]

Well, I had just gotten face. Facebook had just started to happen in 2009. And so that was it. I would post on Facebook. That was kind of my journal. That was my diary of what was happening. So I posted photos.

[Zibby Owens]

So how. What is the short version of how you navigated this? How can anyone navigate a situation in which they feel completely overwhelmed and ill equipped?

[Lisa Cheek]

Well, I think I had to let go and I just had to be present because, you know, things would break down, stuff wouldn't happen. They wouldn't be able to shoot. They got shut down one day because the costumes looked too Tibetan. I mean, it was like always something crazy going on and yet it was in a language I didn't speak. So that made it even more crazy. So I didn't really know what was going on where. But it was on top of it being a Cinderella story, which is, you know, I don't know about you, but as a little girl, the Disney one, that's what I heard. And that's, you know.

[Zibby Owens]

Yeah, of course.

[Lisa Cheek]

So. And this one actually is a little. It's definitely not being saved by the man she basically saves. She saves him, which is really cool. This is a different way of, you know, seeing life and seeing, you know, the story in that she's the one who saves things, makes the world a better place.

[Zibby Owens]

I love it. And talk about the role of dogs in the book.

[Lisa Cheek]

Oh, I know. One of the reasons I have to tell you, I love your bookstores. It's like five blocks from where I met Ron Howard. They're used to, like. I just love it. Your whole. My whole. My whole book opens right. Right where your location is. And it's just so magical to me, that area. And yeah, I got my first adult dog when I was about 40. And I took him everywhere with me. He went to work with me. He paid the mortgage. One month he. You know, he was in commercial. My clients would come in and they'd be like, oh, he's so great. Let's put him in the commercial. So, yeah, he was my best buddy. He really was. And of course, I had to. I had to, you know, find somebody who would look after him while I was gone. Because in the book, I just tell you about three months. But technically, I was gone for six. The other three months, I was in Hong Kong. You know, just kind of like a modern city. There's a 711 and a Chanel on every corner there. So it didn't feel like it needed to be told. But so I was gone a long time. And he truly was. Was my best friend. And I just think dogs. I think every home needs to have a dog. I think they are just so magical. They're creatures that teach me patience and love and unconditional love. And they love me when I smell bad and don't look pretty. And, you know, it's just. There's nothing better than a dog.

[Zibby Owens]

My dog, actually. Where did she go? Oh, she's on the floor next to the couch. You can't even see her. But, yeah, I know. It's the love. It's like she's so excited to see me in the morning. And she's so excited when I walk in the door even though I just, like, ran downstairs. And it's just the sweetest.

[Lisa Cheek]

It is. There's nothing better. And I think our lives would be a whole lot better if every home had a dog. I just think I learned so much from my dog of acceptance and, like, yeah, you're it. I'm gonna. You know, you're here. I love the one that I'm with. You're it.

[Zibby Owens]

So when did you know that your experience would be a book?

[Lisa Cheek]

So my father died, and my father raised me, mostly. And my father died in 2018. So I went to go see a psychic. I went to go see this Chandler because I wanted to know how he was doing, what was happening. My dad would read a book a day. He loved books. You know, he took me to movies when I was little. Like, that's where I got all my love of all of it. And so I went to find out to talk to my dad. Which, by the way, he says that Heaven has the best library. Oh, yes. Yep. So I thought that was really cool that she told me that. And while I was there, she said you had this. You just came back from this adventure, and you need to tell the story. Cause I was working on something. I was working on a novel. And she said, this is your story. You need to tell this story. And I originally wrote it as a novel, but it was just so magical and so sweet that I felt it needed to be owned. You know, I wanted people to know that life is an adventure and that there's magic in there all the time. And, you know, what other people think of me is none of my business. And it's not always accurate, you know, so someone tells me I'm too old. You know, I go to China, and all these, you know, really old ladies are, you know, amazing. Right? So there was so much learning for me to do. And the main one was just kindness is the universal language, you know, it really is.

[Zibby Owens]

So what. What did you get out of writing the book? Like, after you put it aside and you're like, okay, yes, and now I'm going to try to sell it. Fine. But, like, what did you get out of even writing the first draft?

[Lisa Cheek]

First draft was a mess because I really didn't know what I was doing. And, you know, I was working with people who insisted it be a novel. And it really. Once I got. You know, I've been trying to write for 20 years, and. But as soon as I met the right editor, I met Amy Faris, and she. At a retreat, you know, and she loved my story, and she spent nine months with me working on it. And then I said, I'd really like to see, you know, what Brooke thinks of this. My publisher, just to send it to her. She was not my publisher at the time, but I had known her. And I said, I'm hoping she'll give me some great feedback. And the feedback was, I want to publish it.

[Zibby Owens]

So that is the best feedback of all.

[Lisa Cheek]

Right. So I didn't move on because I thought, at this time, I'm 62 now. I need to, like, I have so many other stories I want to tell, and I don't have time to pitch. So. Yeah. So it's really exciting. And I love Brooke. She's amazing. Great, great publisher. I love being with her. She just taught me so much, along with Amy. And, you know, it was just when the right person comes along. The right person comes along, right?

[Zibby Owens]

Yeah, absolutely. Wait, can you tell me. I don't know much about, like, where you're from. I know your career prior to this, because it's in your bio and everything, but tell me more about your growing up and, like, where you grew up and your family. And I'm sorry about the loss of your father. That's terrible.

[Lisa Cheek]

Thank you. He was really fun. He was a great guy. But I grew up all over the place. I was born in Oakland. We moved to Coronado before there was a bridge. And then we moved to North Carolina, and then we moved to Massachusetts, and then we lived in Johannesburg, South Africa for a while.

[Zibby Owens]

And why. Why all this moving?

[Lisa Cheek]

Well, my father wound up. I think he really wanted to be a spy, but that didn't happen. So he just wound up being an engineer or maybe.

[Zibby Owens]

Or maybe he was a spy.

[Lisa Cheek]

Maybe he was. He could have been. But I know that that was his sort of first. First goal. And anyway, so he wound up working for an international company and they were there mining for diamonds in Johannesburg for cutting materials. And then we moved back to Detroit. I lived in Detroit, and then I lived back in North Carolina and then Charleston, South Carolina. I graduated from high school there and then college. I went to a small school called Winthrop in Rock Hill, S.C. and then I worked in broadcast for six years in Little tiny stations. And that was my film career, was editing movies, watching three movies a day, taking out the swear words and nudity.

[Zibby Owens]

Wow. So how do you feel like that sort of transient transience of childhood affected you especially now here you are writing about a travel situation which for most people, like, if you hadn't traveled, which would be jarring and everything, but you have at least some sort of background in this.

[Lisa Cheek]

Oh, definitely. And my mother. When my parents got divorced, my mother moved to London and. And When I was 8, 9, when I turned 9, she moved to London and then she married a man who was in the oil business. So they lived all kinds of places. Turkey and Indonesia and Singapore. And so I would go and visit them. And then my father, too. Up until almost the day he died, I was supposed to go on this last trip with him, and he went to go, did the bus tour of the stands. So I just said, I don't think I can do that. Daddy, my back. I just think it's. But he was game. That was the last trip he did. He'd been. I think it was like four or five countries he didn't get to go to.

[Zibby Owens]

Oh, my gosh.

[Lisa Cheek]

I know. Crazy, right?

[Zibby Owens]

Yeah. That is crazy, huh? So what do you. What do you take away from. From this? Like, do you. Like. I haven't been to that many different places. Like, what do you take away about human nature, so to speak? I mean, I know you were a Kid. And this is a lofty question, but seeing all these cultures and even. And in your book, seeing this culture and being immersed in different worlds, like, what do you take away from all that?

[Lisa Cheek]

Well, you know, it's interesting because, you know, I moved every two or three years as a kid. So I continued to do that until I moved to LA when I was 28. And after being here for five years, which was the longest I'd been anywhere, I was like, I gotta move. I gotta move. I'm moving to New York. I gotta. And then somebody said, lisa, maybe you should just get a therapist and for a while, right, and learn that it's okay to stay in one place. And so now I've been here 34 years.

[Zibby Owens]

You have the same therapist. Have you moved on?

[Lisa Cheek]

Well, actually, I've had a few. Let's just say I've had a few.

[Zibby Owens]

Okay. And at what stage of your life did you dye your hair pink?

[Lisa Cheek]

Oh, this has been something fabulous. I just, you know, during COVID basically, you know, I wanted to be a platinum blonde. I always wanted to do that. And I just thought, you know, when Covid happened, I was like, what am I waiting for? What is this all about, Right? And I became a platinum blonde, and it was awful. I could not pull it off at all. It was like, this is. I don't. Who is this person? So. And then I thought the only other color I always said if I ever lost my hair was I was gonna go buy a pink wig. And I did. I went to my hairdresser, and she was just gonna put some streaks in it. And I said, just go for it. And I gotta tell you, it's like having a pet. I walk into grocery stores, young people talk to me, everybody. I was not approachable when I was a blonde or since I've become pink all of a sudden, everybody talks to me. It's like immediate conversation. Just like a dog. Like having a dog with me. It's like, I don't. People say, oh, I love your hair. Or, wow, I wish I could do that. Or. And I'm like, great, go do it right? Because it's. I feel like I was born this way now.

[Zibby Owens]

Oh, my gosh, I love it. And when did you sort of fall in love with reading? And when did that hold chain. Whole passion come into your life? And authors and wanting to be with authors and all that?

[Lisa Cheek]

Well, my parents were always like, you know, I was an only child for 8 years until my sister came along. And then. So we were always a reading family. You Went to bed with a book. And that's what you did every night. That's just how you went to sleep. And like I said, my dad would read a book a day, so books were always, you know, I mean, the library he had was crazy. But then, you know, I, you know, I went into movies, and I started working there and all of that and commercials. And it was really only, you know, in the last four or five years that I have had an opportunity to be around writers. It's just a whole new world. It's a whole nother adventure. You know, it's almost like going to China, because I have to learn all these things about publishing, and I had to, you know, it's just a whole new world is opening up, and I'm meeting the coolest people, and I love hanging out with readers, which is why I adore your retreats. It's just so much fun. Every woman I meet there is interesting and fun, and it's just books they do, they bring us together. It gives us something to talk about. Kind of like my dogs. I keep telling everybody, I'm so grateful I have dogs. So my husband and I have something to talk about because we don't read or watch the same television shows, right? We don't. We just do completely different things. And I'm like, I'm so grateful. My dogs. You know, what, what do people talk about if they don't have a dog in their house? So, yeah, I find that, I find that with readers, it's, I don't know. They're just. I can't wait to hear. Cause I think we all project our own stuff onto people's books when we read them. So I'm fascinated to hear what, what people, you know, because what I put on the pages. And I learned so much as you write, you know, I, I, it's like, oh, yeah, I learned this and I learned, right? It's, it's not until you really get into it that I could see. I knew it was magical. I knew it was an extraordinary time. But I didn't realize the lessons I had learned until I actually put them on the page.

[Zibby Owens]

So what is one lesson you took out?

[Lisa Cheek]

Well, the big one is life is an adventure, you know, it really is. And to always be open to, you know, when one, as they say, one door closes, a window opens, and you fly out of that, Right? So that is the big one. Kindness is a universal language. I just, you know, I had so many experiences. There were people who were just so kind to me through a smile or through giving me something or something without saying a word, you know, and that was really lovely. And you know, I had to learn to trust that what I needed was gonna be provided for because I think growing up I didn't have that. So it was a real big experience for me to see how they showed up. Not even speaking the same language, not like, whatever, but they were there when I needed anybody. And that is amazing. Amazing.

[Zibby Owens]

Are you going to send this book to everybody even though it's not in the right language?

[Lisa Cheek]

Oh, well, I will say my, my assistant. So I only changed, I changed everybody's name but mine and my assistant's and his name is Max and his father was in publishing in Hong Kong. And so I sent it to him on a Friday night and by Sunday morning he had read it. And he lives in Singapore now, by the way. And he left the most magical review on Goodreads. It's super sweet. He says, I'm Max in the book and it's just so lovely and I don't know, who knows how, where it'll go. Like that's the other thing I've learned is it's like you never know what's going to happen because I didn't have any thought of writing this, you know, But I am looking forward to the next few that I'm getting ready to, you know, that I'm working on now.

[Zibby Owens]

The next few. Oh my God. Right, okay, so tell me, tell me the next few.

[Lisa Cheek]

Well, I've got two more memoirs that I'm working on right now. One is about one night of my life and the other's about 10 days of my life.

[Zibby Owens]

I'm intrigued.

[Lisa Cheek]

Uh huh.

[Zibby Owens]

You can't tell any. Nothing more than that. That was quite a tease.

[Lisa Cheek]

Well, the first one, the one that I'm hoping I'll have finished by June, is about getting married at 49. Is this the one day for the first time? For the first time, I just want to say that it was getting married for the first time at 49.

[Zibby Owens]

Right.

[Lisa Cheek]

I didn't get married until, yeah, when I came back from China. It was sort of like I thought, well, I could probably do 25 years with somebody now. I could never do 50. Right. You know, when I was younger, I kept going, I don't think I can live with you that long. That's too much time. But yeah, when I came back, I was like on the dating machine, I was like, I really want to try this out. I want to see what marriage is all about, what this, you know, so it's yeah. Sort of about my. It's not sort of. It's about the men I chose before I met my husband and what happens. And, you know, it's super sweet and funny and, yeah, I'm super excited about getting it out.

[Zibby Owens]

Amazing. That sounds great. And very hopeful.

[Lisa Cheek]

Thank you.

[Zibby Owens]

Yes. Amazing. Well, now that you're a published author, what advice do you have for aspiring authors?

[Lisa Cheek]

Oh, you know, just to keep writing and to go to go where other writers are. It's such a lonely place, you know, when we're at home and we're in our head and we're, you know. And for me, I'm always in a writing class. I'm always going to retreats. I'm going to conferences. I go wherever there's other people who can show and show me how to do it because I don't know how. I just know that being surrounded and in the middle is the best place to be.

[Zibby Owens]

Love it. Amazing. Well, Lisa, I am so excited for you. Congratulations and yay. Just a huge yay and a hug and bravo to you.

[Lisa Cheek]

Thank you. And thank you for Zibby's Bookshop. It's my most favorite bookstore ever. I just love it so much. You bring me so much joy. It's like cheers for me. It's, you know, Zibby's is Cheers. I go and meet my girlfriends and hang out, and it's just. It's so fabulous, the experience I get to have there. Thank you.

[Zibby Owens]

You're welcome. You're welcome. Okay. Bye, Lisa.

[Lisa Cheek]

Bye.

[Zibby Owens]

Bye.

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