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Zibby Owens
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Christina Geist
Thank you Zibby. It's good to be back. It is true. I feel like you've been the most generous friend and supporter. I was just thinking about the first time I was on the podcast and I think it was with sorry grownups, you can't go to school. Which was 2019. So I'd like to consider myself one of the like OG podcasts authors. And it's such an honor to be back and I really have enjoyed watching your trajectory over the last six, seven years and it's really remarkable what you've done. Congratulations to you.
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Zibby Owens
Thank you. And you too. It's been so fun to watch and I feel like this is so full circle in so many ways because we started out talking about Buddy and backpacks and school buses and falling asleep and singing songs to the kids and like commiserating ourselves as moms and everything. And now our kids are flying the nest here, you know, whatever expression you want to use and I can't believe it. And yet here we are sitting here just continuing to talk. But that's like how we get through stuff, right?
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Christina Geist
I know it's True. And it's like, you know, this is happening. You know, time is going to move in this way as a parent, but there's something about this precipice of the nest, you know, and the. And the empty nest, or even partially empty nest, or this notion that they're doing what you raised them to do, they're spreading their wings and they're going out there into the world. And somehow we still, as parents find that to be just, like, completely unacceptable or, you know, completely surprising. Even though it is actually what you've been preparing them for for 18 years, it still is just really, I think, difficult for us to accept that senior year of high school or college or whatever that, you know, milestone is.
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Zibby Owens
I feel like it's like when someone older passes away or a dog passes away, like, you know, these things are coming. But just because, you know, it. It doesn't make it any easier when the time comes. This, of course, is a happy thing that the kids are growing off. And for them, it is such a positive life event. And for us, obviously, but in terms of the change of life and all of that, you know, you can't prepare for this. You can't prepare for pain.
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Christina Geist
No, you can't. And it is. I mean, one of the lessons in this book. So these. This is. It's funny you're saying that, because one of the lessons is this that we're talking about right now. And so before you fly away, life lessons from home are 50 lessons.
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Zibby Owens
Yeah. Sorry, are we talking about a book? Let me. Let me go back to the book. Sorry, Christina. I'm so sorry. I went diving into. Diving into.
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Christina Geist
Well, I'm gonna reference one of the lessons, and then I'm like, wait, I should probably explain what they are.
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Zibby Owens
Yeah, yeah.
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Christina Geist
Do you want to.
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Zibby Owens
Okay. Christina, what is your book about? Tell us about before you fly away, life lessons from home, please.
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Christina Geist
Yes. So this book was written the year my daughter was a senior in high school and my son was preparing to get his permit to learn how to drive. And I found myself waking up late at night, often as we do, and feeling like I had all of these things to say and questioning whether I had really ever said them out loud or put them in front of her or both of them in this format of this kind of little list of the rules of the road. Right. The kind of the code that I hope you would feel and know in your heart if you were raised by me and by my husband in this household. Right. And in this family. And so part of my way of Kind of processing, I think what you would probably label as kind of anxiety leading up to high school graduation was to just capture them in my phone. And I found by February that I had this list of probably about a hundred or so of these kind of rules of the road or little lessons and thought, oh my gosh, maybe this is the gift. Maybe I design these as a little self published book that I could actually hand to them on, on the threshold of these big milestones. And I've always expressed myself, obviously I'm a writer, but I really do express myself with my words. And so that felt the most comfortable way for me to do that and to process that as a parent. And I found that with obviously a super tight timeline that the best option to do was to self publish the book. So I did that in 2025 and gave it to my kids. They immediately turned to me and said, is this going to be out in the world? And I asked what they thought about that and they said yes, it should be. So we pushed a button in the self publishing platform called IngramSpark that were working in at the time and poof, it was out on Amazon and out in Ingram, where any bookseller can order books for their store. And it sort of just organically took off and was successful enough in the self publishing world that Andrews McNeil came and knocked on my door. And they are a gift book publisher and they really specialize in gift books like this and they are republishing the book for, for 2026. So the class of 2026 and their parents will have now real distribution behind it at a national and actually I think even an international level. So that's the book and inside are all these 50 really short and sweet and some sentimental, some pretty direct lessons that I tried to express in the most kind of concrete and short and sweet way possible with as few words as possible. Because kids don't want to read a lecture, they certainly don't want to hear one. And I wanted the lessons to be memorable. And so I really tried to distill them down into like their simplest form.
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Zibby Owens
Amazing. Well, there are so many in here that apply for kids, but you know, also for us. Like for instance on page 29, unless I trust you, unless you give me a reason not to. I mean, that could be for a spouse, it could be for a friend.
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Christina Geist
Friend.
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Zibby Owens
But it's such a good outlook. Like, yes, go in with the positive. Go in expecting good things to happen.
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Christina Geist
Yeah, yeah. And I think those are, you know, some of the lessons are a Little more serious like that, right? Like, I trust you unless you give me a reason not to. Others are kind of, you know, a little more light hearted, you know, like rinsing something is not the same as washing it, which is a conversation we've had at our kitchen sink, you know, for years and years and years, or trim your nails, you know, stuff like that. But then more kind of, you know, relationship based, like you said, or even kind of the messages you want to deliver on a Saturday night on their way out the door. Like recklessness and regret go hand in hand. And, you know, there could probably be an entire book about, oh my gosh, you're going out on a Saturday night in college. Like, what are all the things I need you to know? But I just chose that one, you know, reckless, recklessness and regret go hand in hand. Because I think that kind of says it all in, you know, as simple as a way as possible. And I wanted the book to feel accessible to parents of kids of any age, really, and not be specific. Even though my daughter was graduating from high school when I wrote it. I feel like it applies to younger kids, you know, graduating from elementary or middle school or headed off to high school, to boarding school, say, you know, going away from home even for camp, or those 22 year olds who are finishing college and now kind of moving off into the world for their own apartment and to start life. So I tried to kind of edit the list to feel like it was applicable to any age, really, of child, but to your point, adults as well. And that's been fun because a lot of adults have responded to it and said, you know, I need this.
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Zibby Owens
Well, after our event together at the Minnie Rose Pop up that we did, we gave copies to both my twins who are, you know, going to college in the fall. So I feel like at least now I'm arming them, maybe not with my exact words, but with yours. And I'm like, start with this. I'll add on, you know, because now you've taken the pressure off me because I'm like, I should write, you know, a big letter and all this advice. But Christina's gotten the basics down for them, so anything I do is additive, which is fabulous. So thanks for that.
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Christina Geist
Well, there are some blank pages for you to do just that. And that has been really lovely too. Like, I did kind of in that beta launch here from families that were having family members write notes in the book, either on the page with the lesson that resonated most with them or doing their own lessons kind of in the back where there. There are a few empty pages to invite you to do that. So my dad has a phrase where he says, make it your own. And I do hope people do that. And I should ask, how are you feeling? How are you doing?
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Zibby Owens
I'm doing okay.
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Christina Geist
They're very happy.
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Zibby Owens
No, no, they're. You're doing okay?
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Christina Geist
Yeah, yeah. We're all good here. Okay.
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Zibby Owens
Okay. Can I read a few more of these?
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Christina Geist
Yes, of course.
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Zibby Owens
Even the best people, you know, are capable of making terrible choices.
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Christina Geist
Yeah. Isn't that true?
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Zibby Owens
Yes.
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Christina Geist
I mean, we're all human, right? And I think when we have these moments in relationships where someone does something either unexpected. And this can happen with teenagers, right? Where all of a sudden, like, their best friend is kind of maybe off doing something that they didn't expect or that they're not comfortable with yet. Right? And there's. And sometimes those are just natural, like, you know, kind of life progresses and they're growing up, and other times they're disappointing moments, you know, And I think we have to accept that really great people are gonna make bad choices. We've all made them. We're all human. And it's kind of how you respond to that. And I think it's part of teaching kids how to navigate relationships. It gets really sticky and it gets really tricky the older that they get, you know, and you're less worried about them. You know, the world that you've curated for them is this kind of like, safe, happy, you know, world that you build for them, surrounding them. And then they're out there and they're in the world now, and they've got to navigate these relationships and they've got to navigate their own safety and their own fulfillment in a way that, you know, quite honestly, as a parent is pretty terrifying, right?
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Zibby Owens
Totally. Totally terrifying. I do feel, though, that you have this. This sort of undercurrent of positivity of like, rooting for the good. Do you feel like you approach life that way? Because this could very easily be like, you know, watch out, like, people will betray you. Keep a list. Which is another thing you could say.
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Christina Geist
Yeah, I mean, you could say that for sure. But I kind of feel like what I. And do it. Look, we all feel that way sometimes, right? Of like, oh, my gosh, be careful, be careful, be careful. Right? And you could kind of have this, like, doomsday out outlook. But I think, like, what I've tried to do is say things like, you know, be honest. You will break a heart, someone will break yours, and when that happens, I will be here. You know, and those kind of inevitable risks that you take when you kind of enter into a relationship or fall in love or you're just out there, you know, moving through life on your own outside of home, you could certainly see that as really scary. Or you could see it like, I know you've got this, you know, you're ready and go, go show us that you are, you know, and show yourself that the first lesson in the book is be nice to yourself. And I don't know why I felt like I needed to say that, because I think that sometimes when you're raising kids, you're so hyper focused on the way they're treating others in the world that you need to stop and say, like, actually you come first. And you know, if this isn't healthy for you, if something's not good for you, you need to actually make hard choices sometimes to put yourself first. And so I felt like I needed to open with that.
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Zibby Owens
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Zibby Owens
It's so funny. As you're talking, I'm thinking I should do my advice, but then I'm also thinking like it Would be so funny to get advice from multiple people, like their dad and my mom. And how different the advice probably would be, all the different voices to equip them in the world. And I think even making sense of the advice is something kids have to do early anyway. All the noises.
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Christina Geist
Yeah. And I. And I do think it's a. It's a really interesting exercise to ask their most important people in their life to really think about the thing that they want to, like, impart. Right. Like, what's the. What's the fingerprint? What's the real kind of, like, distilled advice or counsel or wisdom or lesson that you want them to carry in their heart when they're out there from you? And it could be very different. Like, my mom used to always say to me when my kids were really young, don't make big decisions when you're exhausted. And that's in the book. I think it's lesson 13. Don't make any big decisions when you're exhausted. And I hear her, you know, when. When I find myself in this state of kind of being, like, strung out or tired. And then all of a sudden, you're like, that's it. I'm gonna do this. You know? And you do. You have tendency to sort of, like, make these, like, bold statements when you're just depleted and your battery's low. And so I think, you know, that would be one that my mom would have probably put in, but I didn't have time to get everybody else's input. I just sort of did this version on my own. But I think that would be a beautiful gift.
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Zibby Owens
But this is how you can meld Buddy's bedtime battery in with the whole thing.
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Christina Geist
Totally. Yeah. And One of the lessons 34, is leave the world behind you and read a good book before you fall asleep.
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Zibby Owens
Oh, it's so true.
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Christina Geist
And I do really. I do that. I read the way people watch tv, so I read every night. And I do think there's something to that for sure.
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Zibby Owens
Do you also watch TV or you just read?
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Christina Geist
I don't really watch anything at night. Like, if I'm watching a show, it'll mostly be, like, on an airplane or, you know, if I'm, like, on a train or something. Yeah, I kind of. Like, at night, I kind of shut down, so I'm way behind. Don't ask me about all the popular shows. I have a list of all the ones I haven't seen.
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Zibby Owens
I agree. I have to be very intentional about, like, this is the show I'm not gonna, like, scroll around and just happen to find one, like, anyway. Yeah, let's see. Making friends is like playing with magnets. Some attract, some don't. Let it be. I like that.
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Christina Geist
Yeah. Yeah.
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Zibby Owens
Like, you're not for everyone. Not everyone's for you. I just made that up. That's a corollary.
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Christina Geist
Yeah. It's true, though. Let it. Just let it go.
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Zibby Owens
You know, the only thing we know is 45. The only thing we know for sure about life is that it won't last forever.
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Christina Geist
How do you.
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Zibby Owens
How do you talk to your kids about that?
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Christina Geist
Well, this is kind of what we were talking about with this inevitability that's somehow still so unacceptable, you know, and that this. This idea that, like, your life is kind of like the sand running through your fingers sometimes. Right. It feels like. And especially in these moments of parenting, it feels like, oh, my gosh, where did these 18 years go? What's coming next? You know, it can be unsettling as you hit milestone birthdays yourself, of kind of like feeling your own mortality. And I don't know. I think the best way I can kind of embody that spirit is to keep growing and keep changing myself and keep challenging myself and look at it like, I've got one life. I can't keep doing the same thing over and over again. I need to keep growing, I need to keep changing. I need to keep challenging myself. And so if I keep doing that, I won't have any regrets. Right? And so, you know, loss is inevitable in our lives, and we all dread that. Right? Those moments where we lose someone or something important to us. But I do think if we think, you know what, they did it right. You know, like, they did it right, they didn't leave any stone unturned, then it's kind of like you can be at peace, I think, with those moments.
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Zibby Owens
I love that.
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Christina Geist
I hope.
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Zibby Owens
I hope you're right, too. The book itself is beautiful. This bright blue, my favorite color, with this little heart and wings on the COVID Hardback, sort of paper overboard. It's like a perfect package. As a gift. Talk about your firm and how you specialize in branding and design and your side hustle, so to speak, of your.
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Christina Geist
Of your job.
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Zibby Owens
Talk a little bit about that and how you approach a book like this, because covers are so important. Yeah.
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Christina Geist
Yeah. That's a great question. So my background is in communications. I'm sort of a marketing mutt. But I came up as a copywriter, I guess, is the best way you can describe me that I'VE always done creative work and creative writing in the interest of growing someone else's brand or establishing someone else's brand. And I've done that in a number of different capacities throughout my career. Most recently the last 11 years has been as True Guys. My business partner's name is Todd True and Guist. Here we are was the easiest logo we ever had to design. And the easiest brand name we ever had to come up with was our own. But we've been in business for 11 years with clients all over the world doing things like naming them, developing their identity, their logo, their look and feel, their website, their packaging, copywriting, obviously messaging. So this project, like this was, is a True Guys project. Todd is the illustrator of this book. And the art, the artwork of the COVID is, is his. And that's kind of how we work together on a day to day basis. I write the words and he makes it all look beautiful. So a project like this can get done really fast when the two of us are doing it because we're used to that shorthand. And we've been working together in business for, for 11 years, but together in our careers for 20 years. So I just said, hey, can you help me with this? And he said, of course. It didn't hurt that his youngest was graduating from high school at the time we were putting it together also, so it was personal to him as well. And I sent him the manuscript and then we thought about again making it really kind of purposeful and not feeling like we needed to overly illustrate it, that it is kind of meant to be super simple. And so he has these really beautiful black and white illustrations that pop up on some of the pages, but not all of the pages. So it's not like Matchy Matchy where every lesson had to have artwork to it. And it just felt like a nice kind of gender neutral way too, to like make parents feel at home giving this to their son or their daughter. And I feel like the validation for that was when my daughter got to college this year and she was making new friends and there was the book on people's dorm room shelves. And she'd say, or not like, oh, that's my mom, you know. And of course I was like, is that embarrassing for you? I'm so sorry. Are you embarrassed?
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Zibby Owens
She was like, no, that's amazing.
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Christina Geist
I'm not embarrassed, mom, you know, but I'm always worried about that, Sensitive to that.
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Zibby Owens
I'm sure she's just super proud of you. That's so nice. My gosh. So there are A lot of people who ask me about their own children's books or their own books and how do you find, like, someone who can help me design it or maybe they want to do a cookbook or something like that. Do you like. Does chuguys do that type of work?
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Christina Geist
Well, now we can, knowing that we can do this for this type of book. I would say if you have a children's book with a lot of illustration, like the artwork for Buddy's Bedtime Battery is behind me on the wall, which are oil paintings. Every page that Tim Bowers created for a book like that, you really would want to work with more of a illustrator who is doing that 100% of their time for, you know, that, that picture book kind of format. But certainly if you have something in the vein of like light illustration needs layout, we now can do it. We figured it out. Lesson 42 is figure it out. You're 100% capable. And yeah, we, we figured it out. So happy to work with, with people if they need that support and see if we're a match for it. I will say this, the process that we did the first time around, not with Andrew's McNeil, which is this version of the book. For 2026, the first time around, we worked with Ingr and that is a pretty intuitive platform. If you're thinking about self publishing. I would recommend doing some research on Ingramspark and Andrews. McNeil has been amazing to work with so far in the gift book space. So I feel like it's just been like a win win in putting this very personal project out in the world. You never know, but it's been beautiful to watch it literally kind of take flight.
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Zibby Owens
Amazing. What are your plans for the book promotion and all that? Are you touring? What's the plan?
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Christina Geist
Here's my plan. I'm right here with you. This is the first conversation I'm having and where I wouldn't go anywhere else. I'm figuring that out right now. I would say if readers want to follow on Instagram, Christina sharkeygeist. My maiden name is Sharky. You can find me there. And I'll keep everybody updated as the plans develop. And I tend to kind of, with a book tour, go where I'm invited. It's not actually like rocket science. It's like people are like, will you come? Sure. You know, if I'm free, I'll come. So we're figuring that out right now. Yeah.
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Zibby Owens
Amazing. They should. I feel like high schools should do bulk buys and like offer it to parents.
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Christina Geist
You Know what? An idea.
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Zibby Owens
Wouldn't it be convenient just pitch a few schools, see what happens?
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Christina Geist
Yeah, it will be amazing to see what can happen now with real distribution behind the title. So I'm super optimistic and excited that we can help parents. I mean, up until now, I feel like you kind of walk into the store and we, you know, we all love Dr. Seuss, but I don't want to give oh, the places you'll go to like an 18 or a 22 year old. And so I feel like I wanted the kind of alternative to that in my own life. And it's been beautiful to hear from parents who have embraced it in that way and bought copies for all their kids, close friends, and kind of given that, you know, maybe with the little monogrammed thing that they were gonna also do and do both or sometimes in lieu of that.
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Zibby Owens
Wait, do you have any good gift ideas for graduating? Do you have anything planned aside from obviously publishing a book for your kids?
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Christina Geist
Oh, my gosh. Well, I feel like I'm just learning all of this as well, what I give to my closest friend's kids. So, like, you know, if I'm really close to them, I give them a travel duffel bag from Mark and Graham, like a weekend bag. And I monogram that for them. So that's like, you know, my. My nephews and like, people that are close to me and they actually love it. And it's a really nice thing because then I say take this with you on your travels and send me a picture, you know, wherever you go with this bag. And, you know, you can tuck the book into the bag. So I love giving that gift.
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Zibby Owens
Okay, good. I was. That was on my to do list is what do I personalize for the kids? Will they care? Will they just toss it aside? I don't know. All right, so thank you for the help.
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Christina Geist
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, everyone needs a duffel bag, right?
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Zibby Owens
Yes, everyone needs a duffel bag. Okay, just to close. Let's pick one more. I will love you no matter what you do. Others may not always be able to. Tough one. That's a good one. That's a good one.
- [31:34]
Christina Geist
Yeah. I mean, we're all human. We're going to make mistakes and you ask for forgiveness and hopefully you get it. You know, if you don't, you move on and you just keep doing your best. My close is lesson two is use your words. They are your superpower. And I hope that we can all use our words to lift people up and to build connections and to build community and I know we all need it. And you know, thank you Zibby for doing that. For all of us authors and readers out there. Thank you.
- [32:08]
Zibby Owens
Thanks Christina. Thank you, thank you for listening to Totally Booked with Zibby formerly Moms don't have Time to Read Books. If you loved the show, tell a friend, leave a review, follow me on Instagram, ippyowens and spread the word. Thanks so much. Oh, and buy the books.
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Christina Geist
hi,
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