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Torre
Andre 3000 is back with a new album called New Blue Sun. It's an instrumental album. He's playing the flute and it's all improvised music and it's really interesting stuff. We're gonna talk in this conversation about the new album, about outkast and about where he is in his life now. Because we love Andre 3000, but we see a lot less of him nowadays than we did in the past when outkast was hot. So let's get into it because he's doing well, he's living his best life and he's happy. It's Andre 3000 on Touret Show. So finally a new album. I listened to it. I want you to help me understand it. New Blue Sun. Tell us about New Blue Sun.
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Andre 3000
So the title itself, New Blue sun, for me, I mean, it's kind of on two levels. Like if you were, like, if you look at, I mean, the sun that we're living under now, you know, the bright, yellowish, whitish light, unfortunately, in our lifetime it won't happen. But. But at some point that sun will die out, you know, yeah. And my thinking is, like, in a sci fi ish kind of way, the next world or the next worlds, their sun may glow bluish. Like, it'll be a cooler burning sun, but closer to the planet. So it'll be larger, but it'll still warm the. The planet like it needs to. But it'll be. It'll burn bluer, so it'll be like this glowing blue kind of sun. And then on the other level, like, for me, what I'm doing now, I feel like I stepped into a different thing that's. It's totally new for me. Even the way we record it, like, it was just totally different from. From what I was used to. So I felt like, hey, this is like a new. A new step. So, like a new world for me in itself. So. And just one more thing for the cooler part, the cooler burning sun. Like, one thing that we're trying to do is to reintroduce or reset a volume. Okay, What I mean by volume, like, levels of volume. Because when I talk to engineers that are mastering what's happening in music right now, you know, like, known engineers that have, you know, mixed and master some of the best albums in the last 10 years, like, collectively, they say, wow, man, we're seeing our wave files. We can't get any louder as humans.
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Torre
Okay?
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Andre 3000
We can't. And so, like, when you think of. When you think about that, it's kind of like when you get a file like it used to look like, you know, valleys and mountains. Now it's a thick bar because. Because everything is so compressed, so everything is to the limit.
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Torre
Okay?
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Andre 3000
What I mean, so with New Blue sun, that. That quieter, you know, kind of cooler, burning sun, it's like a. Almost like a chilling down. Like, even when we were mastering, I was making the point that we don't want to compete with other music. Like, a lot of mastering is to compete with the volume of what's happening on the radio. So for this, I wanted it to be lower, you know, like, so you reset your volume in a way. Yeah.
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Torre
So tell me about making the album, where you made it, how long it took, and why you wanted to do an instrumental album.
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Andre 3000
Making the album, it took about three. About three to six months to record. We had about three sessions in three different studios. And the process was we would have the engineers set up our instruments and we just press record. And we did not dictate what the song, because I don't. I never learned music. I'd never. Like if I play a chord, like, I never Knew what I was playing. I just. For me, it's shape. So I'm just stretching my fingers out and whatever sounds good, you know, you land. And that ends up being Ms. Jackson, you know. Oh, you know. And so I never learned. I never took music theory. So even when I'm playing now, I don't know what note I'm playing. I don't know what chord I'm playing, what key. The other musicians I'm playing with, they don't know because they've studied. They know. But for me, like, the kind of, like, the environment of recording this album probably was the best environment I could be in for this kind of wind instrument instrumental album thing I was trying to do. And the reason. The way I got here is I just discovered the flute. I heard this lady playing this flute, and I was like, what sound is that? I talked to her for a while. She introduced me to the flute maker. I ordered my flute. The day I got my flute, I never put it down. So now, years later, like, five, six years later, I just kept playing every day. And, like, I like to walk. So I'll walk for miles and miles and play. And you just kind of building up a repertoire of things, you know? And it started to become kind of like a viral thing where people, you know, would film me, like, at Starbucks waiting for my coffee, and I'm holding my flute, just kind of messing around. And they would post it. And I didn't plan for it to be in that way. So it's kind of. It came. It became like a thing, like a game, actually. Someone. I was working in Philadelphia, and someone came up and they were like, hey, you know, people are looking for you. Like, we're trying to film you, like. And I'm like, oh, this is kind of whack. It's not fun anymore for me. And so I'm like, hey, man, I gotta find a way to actually share wind playing instead of these little clips on the Internet. You know what I mean? So at that point, I was like, how do I make a effort to record an album or some type of piece that displays what these instruments can do? And so, yeah, but back up a little bit. So once I started playing, I got just more serious about it. And then I bought another flute and another flute. Another flute, another flute. And then I'm. I'm learning from other people when I'm in New. I was living in New York for a while at the time. So when I would hop in a cab or Uber, depending on the driver, you know, if they were from China, if they were from Africa, if they were from Korea, you know, Eastern European. And I always play when I'm in the backseat. So every time I start playing, they always turn around like, oh, man, that sounds like my country. Like, depending. I don't care what country they were from. And so it quickly, like, dawned on me that every culture has a flute. You know what I mean? Just like every culture has a drum. And so I was starting to get schooled by just these people on the street. Like, a man may turn around like, oh, man, that sounds like my country. Have you ever heard of the Nay flute, which is a Persian flute? No. What's Persian flute? So I'll go look up a Persian flute, and I'll buy a Persian flute and try to learn to play it. Or an Indian guy. Have you ever heard of a Ban Suri flute? I've never heard of Bansuri flute. So for me, it's all like, I'm transferring the wind and my finger actions to different flutes, and I'm enjoying it. So I'm kind of getting school just by being in the street. So I'm more. I started more just like a street player. And when I came to record the album, I think me moving to Venice and meeting the musicians that I met was probably fake because, like, the environment that we created, like, it let me be completely free. Like, there were no kind of guardrails. And that's kind of like when you. When you're in that situation, you attempt more things and you try more things. So this kind of way of us recording it was very new and refreshing. And, like, you're on the ride every time we press record. Like, you on the tight rope the whole time. So when you're listening to the album, like, we're. We're creating it as you're hearing. So how you. How you hear it? When I'm playing the melody, I'm hearing that melody for the first time.
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Torre
So it's. It's. Can we say improvised?
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Andre 3000
Totally, totally. It's. Yeah, it's like a spontaneous composition. We make it up right then and there, and then it's kind of like, collectively, we'll kind of get to a point and we'll know as a crew. Okay, we've done. We've done with that one, and then we may go into a whole new one. And we kind of went through all of the. Our sessions and figured out what. What would be this album. But. But to be honest, man, we have so much music that. That we want to share, and this Was just one kind of, you know, the first of an installment, but just the process of recording. And another thing, man, I can't wait to play live with it, because we're doing. We're gonna do the same thing live. We're gonna be on that road.
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Torre
So you are gonna be able to tour this album.
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Andre 3000
Oh, for sure.
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Torre
Cause I thought that we had seen the last of Andre on stage. Cause some of the things that you've talked about as far as, you know, how you feel.
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Andre 3000
No, no, I think. See, see, for me, this is like a fresh wind. And, like, it's almost like I'm a new artist in a way, because I'm having new challenges. I mean, I'm. The first show is going to be very intimate, where people are just going to be around. They're going to watch what we're doing. And, I mean, it's actually harder than what I've been doing for the last 30 years.
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Torre
Why?
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Andre 3000
You know what I mean? So you know when. When you're on stage and you have a song and beat and people know the song, like, you can hide behind that shit because people know it. You know what I mean? And people sing along with you. So your confidence comes from people knowing. This is a whole different thing because it's out there. Like, you're just. You're just raw. But to me, it's. At this age, man, it's really exciting and fun to me. And that was part of, like, whatever people have heard about touring, like, I enjoy all that, man. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for any other outcast stuff. I enjoy it, but it kind of, for me, I knew at 25 that I didn't want to be doing that at 50. I'm 48 now. And not because it's not a good thing. It's just that I felt that I knew I would feel different, sure, than I felt when I made those songs. And I'm of the belief, like. And not to put anybody else down, like, if you're 70 years old, you still out here rocking. That's because it's still in you. But I'm from the belief that I would kind of rather give people what I'm giving them at the time when it was potent.
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Torre
Yeah.
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Andre 3000
You know what I mean? When we were really making it. And. Yeah, those were the times. And you keep moving, you know what I mean? Like, I don't try to hold on to things. So this kind of new direction, it's really fun. It's new. I mean, the venues Will be completely different. Like, yeah, someone, like, some promoter probably will come in like, hey, I want to book you to do this thing at Sofi Stadium. Like, no, we can't do this right now. Like, I'm new. Like, I want to start in these small places to build up who we are. You know what I mean? So it is really like being a new artist. And the people I'm going to be on the bill with will be completely new too.
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Torre
Right?
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Andre 3000
You know?
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Torre
So do you have a band?
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Andre 3000
Yeah. Yeah. Well, how we made it is like, it's the core four of us. Carlos Nino, he's been around for a while. He college Nino and friends. Like, he plays with a lot of people, like Laraji and these guys. And we met at Erewhon in Venice. So what I'm saying is me moving to Venice supermarket for people not in California. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's club. Club everyone in California.
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Torre
Yeah, but.
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Andre 3000
But we met in Venice, in Erewhon. And he was like, man, people have been telling me you around here playing flute and I should meet you. And so. And so I was like, okay, yeah, I've been around. And he said, hey, I play percussion, man. Like, you want to hang out? And so we would just be in his garage, you know, playing, and he would introduce me to other players. And so when I started to make this album, I knew Carlos knew a lot of players. So I said, carlos, can you help me make this album? And so we got in a room and we tried a lot of different configurations with a lot of different players, and we ended up landing on the core four of us, which is me on wins, Carlos Nino on percussions. Nate Mercero is awesome ass guitarist that never sounds like he's playing a guitar. And Saraya Buddha Fasana, which is a keyboard. So. And Soraya grew up like he was a baby. He was a baby when Alice Coltrane had the ashram. So he lived in the ashram. He was a kid. So all of that came because I moved to Venice, you know what I mean? And I met these players. And so when we got together, that core four of us, we had a thing. And I knew from the third song, well, our third time recording. I remember turning to Carlos and I was like, I feel something. Like, I think we're on the song. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. You might say all kinds of stuff when things go wrong, but these are the words you really need to remember. Like a good neighbor. State Farm is there. They've got options to fit your unique Insurance needs, meaning you can talk to your agent to choose the coverage you need, have coverage options to protect the things you value most, file a claim right on the State Farm mobile app, and even reach a real person when you need to talk to someone. Like a good neighbor. State Farm is there. Gift the Remarkable with Marc Jacobs fragrances this holiday season. From the iconic Daisy and Perfect to the all new Daisy Wilde Marc Jacobs perfume. Gift sets include everything she needs to feel special from her favorite fragrance, plus the matching travel spray. Holiday gifts don't get much more perfect than this. So if you're looking for a gift inspiration these holidays. Gift the Remarkable with Marc Jacobs.
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Torre
When you talked to Rick Rubin, it seemed like I am not ready emotionally to release an album. So what happened between that point and now or whenever you started making this album that led you to say, now I can release an album again?
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Andre 3000
Time, fate, meeting the people, the time on my instrument, the love for the instrument, wanting to play, loving to share it. Yeah, it's really like, honestly, I always record, so even vocally, I try things all the time, but I don't like it. It doesn't feel honest to me. It feels like I'm trying. A lot of times I've been in studios with a lot of. Even the newest producers, like the youngest guys. I've tried things, but it doesn't feel authentic to me. And this was the first time that I felt like I'm happy to actually share this. You know what I mean? For me, I gotta. I gotta have a love in it. Like, I gotta feel like I love it enough or confident about it enough to share. Because if I don't like it or confident enough to share it, how can I expect anyone else to, you know, to get into it? So from that time to now, it's just life, man. Life happened. Yeah, I was. I was playing then. Like, I was playing when I had the Rick Rubin conversation.
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Torre
Right?
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Andre 3000
Yeah, yeah, Let me.
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Torre
Yeah, just let me. Let me say. Let me say something and see how you respond to this. You're one of the greatest rappers of all time, man.
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Andre 3000
I appreciate that, man. I really do. I don't feel that way, but I'm happy that people, like, if I die tomorrow, man, I feel like at least I've done something, man. At least I inspire some kids, like, sure. Youngsters now. I see it, I hear it. You know what I mean? Like, so the greatest rapper thing never really. That was never a goal for me. Like, I grew up listening to verses and then making me feel something. And so one of My biggest goals was I want to make people feel something. When I'm listening to Tupac's lyrics, it made me feel something. When I listened to Q Tips lyrics, it was a naturalness and a humanness that I liked. Even Ice Cube at times. You know, a humanness. Even Scarface. It was a humanness that I wanted to connect with people. Like, I'm a kid in my room listening to Nas and he may say something, and I actually almost come to tears. So in my mind, I want to be able to do that to other people. So my thing is, I just want to connect in a. In a. In a, you know, get in there kind of way. Like, to me, the best rapper thing a lot of times is based on skill. And to me, that's like looking at an architect and saying, one architect and say, oh, he can hammer the fastest. That's cool if you can hammer the fastest or hammer more nails, but can you build an awesome ass house? You know what I mean? So it's. For me, I always just wanted to be effective, man, in that way. So I'm loving that people are, you know, looking at things we've done, because I've never felt like. And that's why I don't have, like, an ego about it, because I've always had to fight hard to make my verses or to try to feel like I'm on another level. Like, I never felt like I was on the level of my contemporaries, which is probably what pushed me a certain way. But so for people to kind of, like, respond to the lyrics, man, I'm loving that, man. I'm loving it, you know?
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Torre
So you don't think that you are one of the. You don't see. You don't see it the way I see it?
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Andre 3000
No, no. I think what we. I think what we've done is interesting, you know, And I think we've carved out a space in time, and in the rap pantheon, I think we've done that. But I wouldn't say, oh, yeah, he's one of. He's one of the best, you know.
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Torre
Because when I hear. When I hear a new instrumental album from you, I'm like, okay, this is cool. But, like, this person is one of the very best in the world at this other thing, and he's not doing that thing.
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Andre 3000
I want that. I know. I know. I was funny. Like, I want that too. Which is hilarious. Like, it's not like, you know, I've seen a lot of artists just kind of, like, take a piss and kind of, like, I'M doing what the fuck I want to do kind of shit. To be honest, man. Like, engineers can tell you. Like, I actually try. Yeah, I try. Like, and even. Even the first title, Like, I tried to say it in my. In my song titles, you know, the first song is, you know, hey, I really wanted to make a rap album, but this is literally the way the wind blew me this time. And now when I'm looking at it, now that I'm 48 and I can kind of look at a trail of things, I see what's happening in my life now. Like, it's so awesome that I'm at this age. So I can see it. Like, when I was growing up, like, I draw and paint. Like, I thought that's what I was going to be doing. Before rapping. 10th grade, I discovered videos, rap videos and tried to do it. And then we ended up outkast. Then we ended up. I ended up producing outkast and I ended up singing. Then I. Like, I never planned any of that shit. I'm just along for the ride. So for me, I'm still on the ride and people are watching as much as I'm watching. Like, when I started producing, I just had. I picked up equipment and see what I can get away with. So for me, it's all, like, discovery. And to me, that's what I'm selling. I'm selling. Hey, man, go out and discover what. Like, go towards what you into, man. Like, that's what I've done all my life. Anyone looking at me, I hope they get that from that. Like, even. Even in rap, like, I started from a place and I just kept going at it. What? Like, the way things that turn me on, you know, things that, yeah, like, go towards what you into. Don't be scared to go towards what you into, man. That's really what it is. Like, I think some artists feel like they have to do a thing, and I get it because it's an exchange and they may have a fear, but, man, I don't plan it, is what I'm saying. If I could plan it, I would have put out three fucking rap albums right now. If it was up to me, who.
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Torre
Is it up to?
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Andre 3000
If I planned it, we would have had, like, four or five more outkast albums.
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Torre
So you're like, it's not up to me. There's a universe that you're following.
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Andre 3000
And I'm riding with that because that's my only gauge. My only gauge is feeling. That's all. Like, I never thought I was the best producer. But I produce a lot of these songs because it's a feeling. So for me, I have to go with what works for my formula, you know what I mean? And whenever I've planned something, it usually never works out in that way. I usually get something greater that takes me away from that. So I'm really, man, I'm really just along for the ride. I'm along for the ride. And this was one of those rides, man. And I'm not expecting everybody to go along with me. Like, ah, man, I always put myself on the other side. I always do that. So I always say, like, okay, if I'm a fan, you okay? You playing this thing, you not rapping. I'm not with that. And that's fine, man. That's fine. It's not for you. Then at that point, maybe, you know, catch us on the next one, you know, I don't know what else to say, you know, but at least give it a chance or even see why I'm doing it.
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Torre
But you want to rap. You're trying to rap.
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Andre 3000
Oh, for sure, for sure. And actually, it's a challenge now because the older I get, the more I don't want to. The older I get, the more it feels kind of corny to me, to be completely honest. I'm just. I'm just being. I'm just being honest. I don't know. Like, I don't. And maybe I'm saying that because I'm. I'm relating it to what I used to do and trying to do that. So if I find a thing that's honest and a way to rhyme words in an honest way at this age and talk about real at this age, hell yeah, I'm with it, man. Like.
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Torre
Cause you're somebody who you weren't talking about. I did such and such in the street. I did such and such with my money, with my girls. Da da da da da. Like, the conversation that you were having was elevated and mature. And, you know, if you gave us more rap, I'm like, it would be about who you are. But you're like, I can't do that.
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Andre 3000
Yes. No, no. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's always gonna have to be about what's happening in my life and who I am. What I'm saying is how I do that. I'm going to have to feel it. I haven't felt it. I don't feel it's dope. I don't feel it's fresh, you know, and it got to Always feel fresh to me, man. Like, if it don't feel fresh, man, it ain't worth doing for me.
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Torre
Yeah, you. You alluded to something else that you know. You are very inspiring. Away from the mic, you seem to live free and just be your own person. The way you dress, the choices you make. And it's inspiring to me and to a lot of us of, like, look, you can just be however you wanna be. And look at Andre. He's just, like. He's in the world chilling, right? And he'll be whatever he wants to be. You know what I'm saying?
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Andre 3000
Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know how that happens. I think it's just my life path that I was able to. To be put in the position to be able to do these things in this way and be able to respond to how the wind is going, man. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why, but it feels natural for me to follow.
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Torre
Are you?
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Andre 3000
Are you? And when people think I'm chilling, yeah, I'm chilling in spirit. But I'm always doing something. I'm never just not doing anything. Like, I'm here. Like, I paint, I draw, I take sculpture classes, I build instruments. I'm learning to build flutes. Well, I design clothes. Like, I'm always doing something that's pushing me. I'm always going towards some shit that I really enjoy. I'm always going towards something that's inspiring to me that I feel like I can give value to or contribute ideas or push something in a certain way. So, I mean, I think when I'm 80, you know, I'll always be doing something, you know.
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Torre
Well, let's dig deeper into that because I'm curious. Like, how are you? Like, on a deep. Not. Not, like, at the beginning of the conversation, like, the middle of the conversation, like, how are you? Like, you were a huge part of my life, of our lives for many years. Outkast was incredibly important. Your work was incredibly important. And then you kind of said, I'm out. And you kind of dropped off the stage, and we kind of saw you here and there. And look, he's in Japan with his flute. But, like, where is he? I know he popped up with a movie, but then he's right. He's this little song, but then he's gone. So how are you?
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Andre 3000
I'm good, man. I'm good as any human can be, man. I can say that much. Like, yeah, I'm human. So just like everybody, we got ups and downs. Just like everybody, man. And I'm good. And if you see me, it's funny. Like, me and my friends are, like, from Atlanta. We'll be on the phone and we'll be talking and we joke about it because we're always in on the joke. We always see how people see me, and we laugh and joke about it. Like, my homie from Atlanta, he's like, man, you know, niggas in the street, man, they think you crazy walking around here with this flute. And we would just laugh. We'd be on the phone laughing about the shit. But for me, it's for real, you know? But I'm, you know, having to take the butt of joke in that way. But I feel like as long as I'm in on the joke and I'm not, like, delusional. Yeah, man, I'm. I'm. I'm good, man. Life is fairly up and down, just like anyone else. I'm inspired. I could be healthier, but. Yeah.
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Torre
Are you happy?
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Andre 3000
Yeah. Yeah. And I think more than anything right now, I'm very happy because I'm able to share, like, one thing. As somebody that creates things, one of the most hurtful things is not to be able to share anything that you like. And imagine that for, like, years. So when I hop on remixes or I'm a part of a film production or something, like, I'm trying to inject something, and I just hadn't been happy enough to create anything on my own that I was happy enough to share. So when you ask me if I'm happy right now, I'm just happy that to share it. And people ask, well, what is your goal with this album? It's for people to hear. You know, I'm not. I'm not just being super modest about it because I know they're not bangers. I know it's not, like, number one album in the country. I know it's not on all the playlists or the summer jam kind of thing, but I just hope people, like, look at the journey more than anything and look at the movement more than anything and listen to it. That's it.
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Torre
I appreciate you being open with us about some of the things that you have learned about yourself as far as social anxiety and hypersensitivity. Talk to me about. Cause there was a period you were feeling those things before it was diagnosed and quantified. And I know for people, like, once you know what it is you're dealing with, you have names and you have.
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Andre 3000
Oh.
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Torre
Other people deal with this, and that changes your life. So how is. So how has your life changed how has your life changed now that you know, okay, this is part of who I am, and now I can move forward.
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Andre 3000
So a lot of that time you was like, yeah, we saw you, and then you disappeared. A lot of that was induced by that because I just didn't want to be in the world because it was just a little harder for me to be in the world. But the more I live with it, the more I learn, man. It's like just diagnosis. There's some human, like, you know, saying you have this kind of thing, but a lot of people didn't have these words to cling to generations before and maybe generations after they'll figure out, ah, that was just something we made up. Like, so for me, you know what I mean? Like, it's all. It's all medical practice. So for me, I just figured, like, everybody has a thing. Yeah, everybody. Everybody has a thing. So I'm no special. And it's funny talking to a therapist at some point. You know, one of his assessments was that thing that, you know, if we say you're hypersensitive, that thing makes you right a certain way because you notice certain things, you feel certain things, or you. Your antennas pick up on a lot of. So it's just a part of life. And you have to figure out, like, what I've learned, man, is if you can learn how to ride the roller coaster, man, that's the best thing you can do. That's the best thing you can do for anybody.
- [31:18]
Torre
So have you made changes in your life now that you know that about you?
- [31:24]
Andre 3000
Yeah, but. But not major kind of like, slight changes. Just. Just live. Just live. And don't. Don't stay in. Like, when you stay in, it makes it worse. Try to go. Just try to go. Just go forward, man, you know, because I. I really think sometimes a lot of these diagnosis and words given to things, it's a disservice sometimes, I think, because a lot of times people lean on that hat. You know what I mean? And what I mean by that is like, some. And I'm not. I'm not belittling anyone's diagnosis, but I think some people may get away with actions because they can tie it to a word. Oh, that was just my.
- [32:06]
Torre
Yeah.
- [32:07]
Andre 3000
Oh, that was. That was just my. Excuse me, you know, so. So I'm thinking sometimes, like, yeah, just find ways. Find ways to manage yourself in the world. That's it. You. You live around other people. Find ways to be comfortable in yourself. Find ways, because you. In the world with other people, find Ways to be in the world with other people. Just find the best way to do that. That's it, man. I don't know what else to tell you. You know what I mean? What's the typical. Just be accepting, man. Accepting of. Of what you are, you know?
- [32:44]
Torre
See, it's hard sometimes to know what.
- [32:47]
Andre 3000
You are, but no one knows what they are. That's what I'm saying. We're all like. To be completely honest, we're all on a human experiment trip. We're in these body spaceships, and we're just kind of. Some people let. Some people's legs are longer than others. Some people's arms are longer than others. Some people's skin is whiter than others. But, you know, we're all just experiencing this and try to try and figure out the best way, like, which humans have always done that over time, and it's never gonna stop. Like, it's funny. Like, 200 years from now, somebody's gonna look back and something that we're doing right now is gonna be so ludicrously wrong.
- [33:25]
Torre
Oh, my God.
- [33:27]
Andre 3000
You know, like, you remember when, like, the world was flat and people were putting leeches, putting leeches on each other to kind of cure disease, but they would practice and they thought they were right. So it's in good intention, but as time goes on, we just learn more and more and more, and we're just part of the experiment.
- [33:46]
Torre
I mean, you and I are pretty much the same age. We can remember stuff that in the 70s was normal and accepted and cool. And now it's like, yo, you crazy for that.
- [33:58]
Andre 3000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, honestly, I'm so happy that I'm alive to be able to see the change in my life, you know what I mean? To actually have witnessed a lot of changes. So I can kind of know firsthand, oh, this is how it's been forever and how it'll always be, you know what I mean? Kind of cool to see that and to be able to witness it, you know?
- [34:20]
Torre
What is a typical. Tell me about a typical day in your life.
- [34:24]
Andre 3000
Now wake up and try to walk. Come to my art studio, draw, plan out designs that I'm making zoom calls to try to get support for some of these ideas. May go to the studio, may walk afterwards, find something to eat, go to sleep, watch some Netflix or something and get up and do it again. Probably sprinkle that with going to a show, museum show, maybe going to, like, some holding the wall club to watch some college students first time on stage. Perform, you know, like, I try to travel. I don't travel as much as I should, but I notice when I travel, I come back. Come back inspired and like.
- [35:16]
Torre
Yeah, but alone most of the time.
- [35:21]
Andre 3000
No, no, my girl. Like, my girl is with me most of the time. Like, I live with my girl. So, you know, we're, you know, experiencing whatever the day is.
- [35:34]
Torre
So you have companions. Okay. Because before you said you were 95% of the time alone, which I was like, yeah.
- [35:40]
Andre 3000
Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny, like, I was in a relationship right before that Rick Rubin interview, so I'd not been alone before then, you know, but during that time, it was kind of like a reset. Like we kind of gone our own ways and. Yeah, it was kind of like, you know, that low time. Okay, I have to tell you, I was just looking on ebay, where I go for all kinds of things I love.
- [36:07]
Torre
And there it was, that hologram trading card.
- [36:10]
Andre 3000
One of the rarest.
- [36:11]
Torre
The last one I needed for my set.
- [36:12]
Andre 3000
Shiny, like the designer handbag of my dreams. One of a kind. Ebay had it. And now everyone's asking, ooh, where'd you get your windshield wipers? Ebay has all the parts that fit my car. No more annoying, just beautiful. Whatever you love, find it on eBay. EBay. Things people love.
- [36:32]
Torre
So you want to be a marketer?
- [36:35]
Andre 3000
It's easy.
- [36:36]
Torre
You just have to score a ton.
- [36:37]
Andre 3000
Of leads and figure out a way to turn them all into customers. Plus manage a dozen channels, write a.
- [36:42]
Torre
Million blogs, and launch 100 campaigns all at once.
- [36:45]
Andre 3000
When that's done, simply make your socials.
- [36:46]
Torre
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- [36:55]
Andre 3000
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Torre
Get started@HubSpot.com marketers. What's the walking thing about?
- [37:07]
Andre 3000
I don't know. I don't know. But I like it. I like it. Like, to walk from Venice to Santa Monica is like a five mile walk that's really long.
- [37:17]
Torre
How long does that take?
- [37:19]
Andre 3000
About an hour, hour and a half maybe.
- [37:21]
Torre
Okay.
- [37:22]
Andre 3000
And me and my girl. Me and my girl would do it, but it's like, I don't like working out. Like, I've tried to get on a working out schedule and so, like, I just fall off of that. Like, I like natural things that kind of feel like natural to me. So walking is a great exercise for anybody at any age. You know, it actually keeps you actually healthy. And a lot of times like, if I'm by myself because my girl's working during the day. So if I walk alone, sometimes I'm writing, so I have my headphones on or I'm listening to the album. Like, I've listened to new. I've listened to New Blue sun on that walk a few times, just to kind of map it out, you know? Here. Should we shorten it? Like, walking also, like, pumps oxygen to the brain, so it's a good kind of brainstorming action, too, you know?
- [38:07]
Torre
What's the longest you've walked? Like, in one go, man.
- [38:15]
Andre 3000
I don't know. A lot of times I'm not paying attention. When I was in Philadelphia, I walked a lot between, like, on my off days, I don't know, but it's usually around, like, six miles, maybe five, six miles, I guess.
- [38:28]
Torre
Wow.
- [38:29]
Andre 3000
Yeah. Like, and when I lived in New York, that's what. That's one thing I miss about living in New York, because I could walk like, I live in Seaport. So I could walk from Seaport to anywhere, to the parks or to meetings or the stores. And I just kind of like walking and seeing people in the environment change.
- [38:50]
Torre
Yeah.
- [38:50]
Andre 3000
Walking through Chinatown every day, you know, just seeing people. And even when I, like, write raps, like, I've always done this. Even the Outkast times. Like, I'll get in the car, and I'll drive for miles and miles and miles with a beat plan. Like, my environment has to keep changing.
- [39:08]
Torre
Okay.
- [39:09]
Andre 3000
So it's kind of like a practice that's deep.
- [39:15]
Torre
Are you proud of what happened with Outkast?
- [39:19]
Andre 3000
I'm very proud, man. Like, I'm surprised. Like, I talked to Big Boy the other day when that. The 14 platinum thing.
- [39:28]
Torre
Yeah.
- [39:29]
Andre 3000
Happened, and we kind of laughing, man, was like, man, like, it was something, like, with kids, like, with friends. Like, man, do you believe this? We were just at my dad's house, man, praying to be good rappers.
- [39:39]
Torre
Yeah.
- [39:40]
Andre 3000
You know what I mean? Like, we were just high school people walking around his aunt's kitchen table, like, reciting raps. And that's another thing. Once again, our trip was greater than we could have ever planned. Like, if we would have planned it, we would have stopped a long time ago. We wouldn't be what we are, like, if we would have. If we would have. Humanly, like, humans are limited in what we can see. So if we would have planned it. Yeah, we probably. Yeah, we'd probably be one or two albums in, and then we'd be out.
- [40:16]
Torre
Wait, what? So can you help me out like outkast didn't. It stopped. It didn't end. Right.
- [40:24]
Andre 3000
Yeah.
- [40:24]
Torre
You didn't break up?
- [40:26]
Andre 3000
Yeah, no, no, we didn't. We didn't break up. And me and Big Boy are cool. The issue is, like, I think over time, and a lot of people don't understand this, that individuals change.
- [40:37]
Torre
Yeah.
- [40:38]
Andre 3000
Over time, change. Even in romantic relationships. Like, a lot of people don't like to admit it, but people change. And sometimes chemistry change, you know, and that's a. That's a real thing. And when chemistry chemistries change, maybe it's time to stop. Like, I mean, I hate to be morbid. Like, there was a time on this planet that humans couldn't walk this planet, because the air just wasn't right. The chemistry in the air wasn't right.
- [41:08]
Torre
Yeah.
- [41:08]
Andre 3000
It took time for the air to be right. For us to be able to do all this cool shit we doing now. Making computers, making music, making beats. There will be a time when the air won't be right again. So chemistry is a big part of anything, man. Even in companies. Like, I just recently read this book called Rocket Fuel. And you know, they cite these companies that are great companies, and they was like, they never would have been great if the chemistry of these two people weren't making this kind of combustion happen. Like, they use Steve Jobs and Wozniak and Henry Ford and his brother and Walt Disney and his brother, you know, like. And over time, sometimes I think the chemistry has changed because the people change, so the elements actually change. And I feel like that may have happened in Outcast, you know, because in my mind, I love to do Outcast. Like, I love to do another Outkast album, but vibe wise, it just doesn't. I'm not excited about doing it. I'm not excited to make music in that way, you know, it doesn't feel like. And over years, when people weren't thinking that, I wasn't thinking about it, I was always thinking about it. You know, I was always trying things because a lot of the process in outkast, like, I would make a beat and to a place where I felt comfortable enough to present it to Big Boy and say, hey, what do you think? And that would be we make a song. You know what I mean? Like, it's kind of like, there gotta be something. There gotta be an inspiration. That's it. There gotta be an inspiration and a reason to do it. And I just hadn't felt. I personally hadn't felt it. Big Boy. Big Boy is a trooper, man. He's Gung ho. Ready. Ready to do anything. And as a friend, you know, more than. More than a music partner or anything. As a friend, like, I wish that, you know, we could have done more, you know, and not just for him, for everybody around us, too, you know?
- [43:12]
Torre
Was there. Was there a moment. Was there a day when you guys talked and you. Cause it seems like you were the one who was like, I don't feel this in my spirit. I need to go do something else. I feel like Big Boy was like, let's go again. And you were like, that's not who I am anymore. Is there a day when you had a conversation?
- [43:32]
Andre 3000
It was never a conversation. It was never a talk. It was never, like, just like. Just like the air, like, once again, like, the air didn't change one day that we could breathe.
- [43:43]
Torre
Yeah.
- [43:43]
Andre 3000
Over time, you know what I mean? And over time, things started to happen, you know, so I couldn't. There wasn't a day. It just started to happen.
- [43:59]
Torre
Did you lose interest in performing first or recording?
- [44:05]
Andre 3000
They both came around the same time. Yeah. Because they kind of want in the same, like. And that's back to what I'm saying. Like, performing when you're at the most the closest to what it took to create that piece of art. I kind of. I like that energy. Like, if we are in stank only a time, our minds are in that time. So performing, it makes total sense if you away from that, years, away from that and going back to that. I mean, you're basically doing a rendition, kind of impression of what you think you were doing at that time. And so, yeah, like, making it and performing goes hand in hand. Like you're making something and then you're presenting it. It's almost like you're a gallery show. Like you have a painting or something. This is your gallery show. You go on tour, like, hey, people, this is what we've made. Come peer more into the world, you know?
- [45:05]
Torre
Have you shared this new Blue sun album with Big Boy?
- [45:10]
Andre 3000
Yeah, I've played it for big. I played it for organized noise, and they were tripping, and they was like, this is for real. You know, it's like, yeah, like, this is. This is for real. And it was like, early on in this development, you know, they haven't heard the entire album. I think I may have played a few songs.
- [45:30]
Torre
So are you already moving toward the next album with this?
- [45:36]
Andre 3000
Oh, for sure, for sure. Like, at this point, like, I'm just trying to keep the momentum. Like, there's a such thing as a creative momentum. The next stuff is very interesting, too. Yeah.
- [45:50]
Torre
In that. What, you. You already recording it?
- [45:54]
Andre 3000
Yeah. Yeah. Like, we're almost a third or halfway. Halfway.
- [46:01]
Torre
So. So another album next year.
- [46:05]
Andre 3000
I don't know. I don't know when it'll be ready. Who knows, man?
- [46:10]
Torre
You. The label must be like, we love Andre. When's the album gonna come? When's he gonna turn it out? I don't know. I told him I need it by this date. He laughed when I gave him a deadline.
- [46:23]
Andre 3000
Like, no, no. You know, here's what's funny about the label. So, you know, we've gone from LaFace to Arista now to Epic. So we've kind of been moved around, like kind of children in a broken marriage. Relationship, in a way. And when I came, like, I'd never been into the Epic building, really, until now.
- [46:48]
Torre
Okay.
- [46:49]
Andre 3000
So for years, I just never. So Sylvia Rome took over. Like, I know Sylvia from back in the day, but I just never had a. I never had a reason to go to the office. So I'm new. I'm almost like, I'm new walking into this office, and then I'm playing this music for Sylvia and the team, and they're into it, like. But I always wonder, like, I always put myself on the other side, like, what do they think? You know? But here's a. Here's another funny thing. So they congratulated on the process. They congratulated on what the work was. But contractually, it's very interesting. My label will not count this album against my contract.
- [47:34]
Torre
Oh, you're still under the same outkast deal?
- [47:37]
Andre 3000
No, this is as a solo artist. Yeah. I mean. Yeah, we're still. It's two different contracts. There's Outkast and solo.
- [47:42]
Torre
Wait, you have a solo deal with Epic and they're not counting New Blue Sun?
- [47:48]
Andre 3000
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
- [47:51]
Torre
How do we do that?
- [47:53]
Andre 3000
Yeah. I didn't understand it at first. You know, we were trying to find ways around it. But I understand it in a way, too, because if I'm on the other side, like, I always try to put myself on the other side. I think my attorney explained it in this way that it was invented in the 70s maybe, when artists were trying to get out their deal. So they were just pretty much turning in anything.
- [48:13]
Torre
Yeah.
- [48:15]
Andre 3000
And so you have to have some type of legal stipulation that stops from you doing that. So it's something where it says the next recording has to be 90%. Like, the recording before it. Yeah. You know what?
- [48:30]
Torre
I'm saying, that's in your solo deal.
- [48:34]
Andre 3000
It's everybody's deal. They don't know it because most people are not doing this kind of thing. But it stops you from turning in hand claps. 10 tracks of hand clapping and saying, my album.
- [48:45]
Torre
Right.
- [48:46]
Andre 3000
And I get it. But. But I'm. But Sylvia and the team, they've been so support. They know I'm not turning like a hand clap album. They get it.
- [48:52]
Torre
Yeah.
- [48:52]
Andre 3000
But as a business, you know, this is kind of like the stance that they took, you know, and to be quite honest, like, I'm not. I'm not hurrying, trying to get out of my deal. It's not like I'm trying to, like, let's hurry up and get out. And then, oh, I'm about to put out this rap album.
- [49:06]
Torre
Right?
- [49:07]
Andre 3000
No, I don't have a rap album. None of that kind of shit. So it's not. I'm not stressed about it. Put it like that. Like, I'm not rushing to get out. If I get out of the deal, it is. I may want to stay there, but I. I just felt like. I wish it would count. But I think it's interesting news that artists should hear that this album is not counting.
- [49:26]
Torre
That is crazy to me. That is crazy. Anytime I talk to somebody I've known for a long time, inevitably I'm going to be like, how's the kids? How's seven? What's. You know, what's going on with your son?
- [49:42]
Andre 3000
Yeah, man, seven is. He's going to be 26 on the 18th.
- [49:45]
Torre
Oh, my God. I can't believe you said that number. What the hell are you talking about?
- [49:52]
Andre 3000
I know, man. And when you see him, man, like, he looks like the spitting image of me and Erica. Like, as if we molded him with both of our hands. And he's tall and he's taller than me, and he's trying to figure himself out. And, you know, he's trying to figure out what is he doing in life. You know, he went to Boulder. He went to Colorado University. Like, yeah, man, he went to school for botany. And he's. At this point, he's just trying to figure out what am I doing now in life. And, you know, me and Erica were talking the other day. You know, it's like, seven is a special individual. And as much as people look at us and be like, I can't understand. Yeah, yeah, I was just on his own real quick. But, yeah, y'all come on in. I'm sorry. I got a lot of traffic.
- [50:34]
Torre
That's okay.
- [50:36]
Andre 3000
Yeah. As much as people look at us and, you know, there's things we talk about, how people see me. It must be. It must be harder for him, you know, And I. And I. And I kind of feel. I kind of feel for him, you know, Kind of. I kind of feel for him because people look at him and they expect a thing.
- [51:01]
Torre
Yeah.
- [51:02]
Andre 3000
You know what I mean?
- [51:03]
Torre
Yeah.
- [51:04]
Andre 3000
And my. At this point, man, I just want him to know, man, just be happy in whatever you doing. Like, you don't have to do this a grand thing if that's in you to do a grand thing, but grand. All grand things start small anyway.
- [51:20]
Torre
Yeah.
- [51:20]
Andre 3000
So just find a way to be happy. Like. And the noise, man. The noise, man. I know it's hard, but. Yeah, he's. He's. Man, I wish. I wish you could see him. Like, he's. He's funny. He's one of the most compassionate people in the world, man. Like, me and Erica were talking. He's like. It's almost like his life practice is seeing how compassionate he can be. Like, watching him, you'll be like, whoa. You know what I mean? Like, it's crazy. It's crazy.
- [51:53]
Torre
That's beautiful. Everybody who comes on the show, I asked them about being black and what being black means to them, and you are definitely somebody who has challenged and shaped some of what a lot of us think is the potential of being black in this era, in this generation. So let's just talk about it. What does being black mean to you?
- [52:20]
Andre 3000
Being y'all. Come on in, man. Being born in a life that's decided before you? I think everybody is born into a life that's decided before them, but everybody's not born into a life that's negatively decided before for you get here, you know, so being black, you have a extra layer of dirt on top of you that you kind of got to shake off that a lot of people may not have. But at the same time, just like anything, your limitations make you do a thing because you have to survive out of it. And it creates. Once again, it's that rocket fuel. It creates a. Like a combustion that a certain fire or certain creation out of a pressure that ends up being beautiful. We don't see it that way while we're going through it, you know, but it. But it is. So being black is just being, you know, born into a decided consideration before you even get here.
- [53:36]
Torre
It's interesting the way you put it, because I think you have been very, very much black, and yet kind of looking at the black Community. Like, you know, we can do it differently light. Right? Like, you know, we could be different with the way we flip this blackness. And I found that really interesting just watching you move through the world.
- [53:59]
Andre 3000
But that's the funny thing. Like, we all. We've always known that. And there are a lot of me's in the world. There are a lot of me's in the black community. And I learned this through outkast. Like, I would meet these people at shows. I meet these people in the world, and I meet their parents sometimes. They're like, my son, you know, you helped my son. You know, I meet these people. So it's kind of like there are a lot of people, and I think we're just kind of like flag poles, examples, because everybody got their own life they gotta live. And it's not about even dressing crazy and no shit like that. It's about making your own decisions and just feeling like you have the freedom to do whatever you want to do. You really do. I mean, the world is already against you. So, you know, play the rules. How you have to play them. Play the rules. Like, I mean, you gotta pay rent, but then there's certain rules that because you are black that you have to. You have to find ways to jump them, you know, and. Yeah, yeah, but there's a. There's a lot of. Especially now because we have, like, this new technology, like the Internet, and there's a certain connectivity that we're seeing. A lot of these people.
- [55:13]
Torre
Mm, mm.
- [55:15]
Andre 3000
You see what I'm saying for sure now? Now. Now we're able to see more. Just like. Like when we look at social media now, we were like, oh, man, this is happening. No, it's always been happening. Now it's just in our face more than ever.
- [55:31]
Torre
Well, I think you inspired a lot of these people that you see now who are like. I think a lot of them looked at you and was like, oh, we could flip this however we want, but.
- [55:44]
Andre 3000
It'S always happened in time. There were people before me that inspired me.
- [55:48]
Torre
Who inspired you in this. In this particular area we're talking about.
- [55:54]
Andre 3000
I mean, musically, I have to say, people like George Clinton, like Prince, like Sly, like Africa Bambaata, like Q Tip, like De La Soul. And that's speaking like. That's speaking like, musically.
- [56:11]
Torre
What about sartorially?
- [56:13]
Andre 3000
Unfortunately, I don't read a lot, so I can't, like, hail a lot of authors or anything like that. I listen to audiobooks, but what about with the Clock? My focus was music, so. And I think people Associate, like, associate me with music more than anything. So, yeah, I'd have to name those people, like, like Bob and like Jimmy, like Sun House, like all of these people, like my heroes. And they showed me a certain freedom, almost like giving me permission.
- [56:43]
Torre
Yes.
- [56:44]
Andre 3000
Like, you can do this.
- [56:45]
Torre
Yeah.
- [56:47]
Andre 3000
And that's kind of like our. That's what we should be doing, you know? And it's. The example is actually doing it. The best example is doing it because they're like, oh, this could be done. And then you got new generations of oh, this could be done. And then they take it first. Oh, this could be done. Oh, oh. You know, it's like, yeah, man. That's what it's about.
- [57:07]
Torre
I only got like a minute, two minutes left with you. Can you play us a little flute?
- [57:13]
Andre 3000
Oh, yeah, for sure. That's funny, man. Like, because when we were talking about rapping, feeling funny. Like, if someone were to ask me now, hey, Andre, bust. Bust a verse right now on like the corner, the street corner, some shit like that, it'd feel so odd to me to do. But when anybody asks me to play flute, I do it as easy as breathing. And that feels good to me. Another thing too, that I loved about it. I remember one time I ran into Frank Ocean outside in New York. I was walking and he was eating at this restaurant, and I passed by the restaurant and we started talking, and we were just talking about what we into right now. And he was like, what are you. He's like, what are you. What are you doing? I was like, man, and this was way before, like, Rick Rubin interview. And I was like, man, my goals in life are just to be in a park playing music. And that's. That's what I told him. And so I do that a lot now, like. And so when I go to the park, especially when I was in Philly, because I'm at a certain age now, people don't know who I am. And some people will come up and just give me money, you know, as if I'm like, trying to do this as survival. And I'm like, no, no, no. I'm just out here, you know, I play. But I like the comments that you get from people that don't. And, you know, they don't know you from outcast or anything. Like. Like, this guy comes up, he's like, man, it must be a blessing to be able to just play that beauty in the world.
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Torre
Yeah.
- [58:45]
Andre 3000
Or. Or, man, that is beautiful. Or a woman where they will just sit there, or their kids may be crying and Then kids just stop crying and just look up. Or a dog just maybe like, dogs, they always do this, like.
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Torre
Yeah, yeah.
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Andre 3000
You know, when you play. So it's kind of like, for me, at this age, maybe, because mortality sets in, you, like, I want to leave behind beauty, and I want to leave behind a certain value. And so even with New Sun, I was thinking about it, like, 200 years from now, if I have this vinyl of New Blue sun, to me, that's a valuable thing to me. So there's a certain kind of beauty I'm trying to put into the world. And when I play, yeah, it's like, it's a continuous beauty that I'm. That I'm listening to and I'm witnessing it as. As I'm playing. So, yeah, so this is like a bass flute. So it's like a different. Like a deeper tone.
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Torre
Wow. Thank you.
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Andre 3000
Nah, man. Thank you. Thank you for the time, man. It's good to talk to you again. Like, it's always, like, right before I hop on the calls. Like, man, it's always cool when you connect with someone you've known from a time before in your life.
- [63:24]
Torre
Yeah.
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Andre 3000
You know, it's kind of like a. I don't know, it's a special thing when you get to see people that you've known at a different point in your life when you were a totally different person.
- [63:33]
Torre
Yeah.
- [63:34]
Andre 3000
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And that's really cool. So, man, I'm glad we could talk again because I totally remember that same excitement when the love, that same fear and scariness and excitement was there when we were listening to the Love Below. Because it was like. Yeah, it was. Once again, it was like you rapping a little bit, but you sing it like, we don't want that. You know what I mean? It's kind of like.
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Torre
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Andre 3000
You know what I mean? It's kind of like we're kind of at that same place again in a different way, you know?
- [64:12]
Torre
Thank you so much to Andre for a great interview, and thanks to you for listening. Torre's show gives you fuel to power your dreams, because you can use your dreams like a rocket ship to blast you into a life you never imagined. You can make your dreams a reality. Maybe this show can help. You can find me on Instagram or Torreshow Tour show is written by me, Torre, and produced by Jennifer Brown. Our editor is Ryan Woodhull. Our engineer is Claire McHale. Our booker is Claudia Jean. We're distributed by DCP Entertainment, and we will be back on Wednesday with more amazing guests because the man can't shut us down. The holidays are here at the Home Depot, so let's get to decorating. Find your perfect tree in our huge assortment of shapes, sizes and styles. Like the easy to assemble Jackson Noble fir with pre lit branches perfect for styling with all your favorite ornaments. Or the flock starry light Frasier fir with over 1900 pre lit memory wire branches that keep their shape so it's ready right out of the box. Find the perfect tree now at the Home Depot.