Charlamagne the God—I'm A Loveable Asshole

Summary

Toure Show Episode Summary: Charlamagne Tha God—I'm A Loveable Asshole

Podcast Information:

• Title: Toure Show
• Host/Author: DCP Entertainment
• Episode: Charlamagne Tha God—I'm A Loveable Asshole
• Release Date: April 27, 2025
• Description: Touré engages with successful individuals to uncover their paths to success and gather insights to assist listeners on their own journeys.

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Introduction

In this compelling episode of the Toure Show, host Touré sits down with renowned radio personality Charlamagne Tha God and esteemed interviewer Angela Yee. The conversation delves deep into the nuances of radio interviewing, personal growth, authenticity in media, and career expansion beyond the airwaves.

Morning Routines and Setting the Tone

Angela Yee opens the discussion by sharing her disciplined morning routine, emphasizing the importance of gratitude and positive energy to set the day's tone.

"[00:33] Angela Yee: I feel like when I feel gratitude the most is when I'm actually thankful that I can do something for somebody else when I'm of service to others."

Charlamagne Tha God acknowledges the significance of this practice in maintaining positivity amidst the inevitable influx of negativity that comes with live radio.

"[04:46] Charlamagne Tha God: So do you think that you spread negativity on your show? At certain times?"

Angela Yee responds by highlighting the delicate balance between maintaining a positive outlook and handling the challenging aspects of live broadcasting.

Interviewing Techniques and Handling Negativity

The conversation shifts to Angela Yee's approach to interviewing, where she emphasizes authenticity and a conversational tone over confrontational "gotcha" tactics.

"[08:29] Angela Yee: Learned that from Larry King, man. Larry King told me one time... just always ask why. That's the most important question you can ask."
"[09:35] Charlamagne Tha God: Yes. Silence."

Charlamagne praises Angela's ability to handle tense moments with respect and calmness, contrasting it with his own reputation as a "lovable asshole."

"[07:40] Angela Yee: But you know, when you asked me, you know, what does it take to be a great radio person? And I said, be yourself."

The Role of Authenticity in Radio

Angela Yee underscores the importance of being oneself in radio, arguing that authenticity resonates more deeply with audiences than manufactured shock value.

"[15:37] Angela Yee: Being yourself. Authenticity. Like, that's honestly the number one key. Like, if you want to be great at radio and you want to stand out, truly be yourself."

Charlamagne Tha God echoes this sentiment, reflecting on his own experiences and the impact of genuine interactions versus forced personas.

Dealing with Challenging Guests

A significant portion of the episode explores strategies for handling difficult guests. Angela Yee recounts her experience with Beanie Siegel and Birdman, emphasizing the importance of maintaining composure and authenticity even when confronted with hostility.

"[13:30] Angela Yee: No, Cause all of these people are humans. Like, they're, they're regular flesh and blood people. They got feelings, too."

Charlamagne shares his method of staying in control during interviews, using silence effectively to encourage guests to open up.

"[09:27] Angela Yee: And let it be an air of uncomfortability. Like if you ask somebody something and it's a short question and they don't respond, just let it sit there for a minute."

The Impact of Therapy on Professional Growth

Angela Yee discusses how therapy has bolstered her personal and professional life, enhancing her ability to listen and engage meaningfully with guests.

"[19:13] Angela Yee: Therapy has helped me professionally because it's helping me so much personally."

This introspection aids in creating deeper connections during interviews, fostering an environment where guests feel heard and understood.

Authenticity vs. Contrarianism in Media

The duo delves into the fine line between being authentic and contrarian. Angela Yee criticizes the trend of aspiring radio personalities adopting contrarian stances solely for attention, advocating instead for genuine self-expression.

"[70:46] Angela Yee: I just think authenticity, being yourself, like, it's the easiest thing in the world to be."
"[73:46] Charlamagne Tha God: So do you ever, like, do a rough interview and then you get a call from the label, the liars or whatever that higher level where they're like, dude, what the fuck?"

Career Expansion Beyond Radio

Transitioning from radio, Angela Yee outlines her ventures into television, podcasting, and writing. She shares her experiences with show preparation, influenced by mentors like Wendy Williams, and her strategic approach to expanding her media presence.

"[67:33] Angela Yee: I have been consistently, I guess, good at radio, and I think that everything else is fruit off that tree of radio."

She highlights projects such as "Nori's Show" on Complex and her role as an executive producer, illustrating her proactive steps in leveraging radio success into broader media endeavors.

Maintaining Professional Relationships and Credibility

The discussion touches on the challenges of maintaining professional relationships within the industry. Angela Yee recounts interactions with influential figures like Diddy and J. Prince, emphasizing the importance of honesty and respect in preserving credibility.

"[58:18] Angela Yee: I've had two phone calls ever. One was from Diddy. One was from J. Prince."

She asserts that her transparent and authentic approach has allowed her to navigate conflicts without compromising her integrity.

Conclusion: Embracing Authenticity and Continuous Growth

The episode wraps up with both Charlamagne Tha God and Angela Yee reiterating the value of authenticity, continuous learning, and genuine interactions in building a successful media career. They emphasize that true success stems from being real, listening deeply, and evolving constantly.

"[73:46] Angela Yee: Maybe I'm. Listen. I pride myself on consistency. You know, I like being consistent. Like, I want to be consistently one of the best multimedia personalities on the planet."

Notable Quotes

• Angela Yee [00:33]: "I feel like when I feel gratitude the most is when I'm actually thankful that I can do something for somebody else when I'm of service to others."
• Charlamagne Tha God [04:46]: "So do you think that you spread negativity on your show? At certain times?"
• Angela Yee [15:37]: "Being yourself. Authenticity. Like, that's honestly the number one key."
• Charlamagne Tha God [09:27]: "Silence."

Key Takeaways

• Authenticity Matters: Both hosts stress the importance of being genuine over adopting contrarian stances for attention.
• Effective Interviewing: Utilizing silence and active listening can lead to more meaningful and impactful conversations.
• Personal Growth: Therapy and self-reflection play crucial roles in professional development and interpersonal interactions.
• Career Diversification: Leveraging success in one medium (radio) can open doors to opportunities in others (television, podcasting, writing).
• Maintaining Integrity: Honesty and respect are essential in navigating professional relationships and conflicts within the industry.

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Transcript

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Charlemagne, the God is a radio legend. He's an incredible interviewer. He's a guy who's mastered the role of provocateur, who knows how to be a lovable. That is what his role at the Breakfast Club was originally defined as, the lovable. And I totally get it. I have mad respect for Charlemagne and sometimes I watch his Breakfast Club interviews and think, damn, he handled that moment really well and he controlled the conversation. I can learn something from the way he does his thing and sometimes I watch his interviews and I get mad at him and I throw virtual tomatoes at the computer screen. He's undeniably smart and he's truly in the moment when he's doing his interviews. He's got the preplanned questions, of course, but he really listens and follows the flow of the conversation and that is a big part of doing great interviews. And he knows how to get to the nub of the issue and when he wants to, he knows how to get under your skin. When I was on the Breakfast Club earlier this year, I was definitely scared of what Charlamagne might ask me. He's intense, he's a media force and I had to see what makes him tick. So I emailed him and he was mad cool and he came down to the studio and we recorded this a few months ago before the recent allegations that he denies. So we don't address that here. We focus on everything that's led to his success. It's Charlemagne, the God on Tour Show.

[Angela Yee]

How are you? I'm blessed, black and highly favored, sir.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Indeed you are.

[Angela Yee]

Yes sir.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What do you love about doing radio?

[Angela Yee]

What Do I love about doing radio? I love the immediate connection with people every day. I love doing morning radio because it's like, you know, I set the tone for a lot of people's day. Like, I'm. I'm big on, like, setting. I'm big on the setting of tones. Like, when I wake up in the morning, I don't go to my phone, I don't check my emails, I don't check my text messages. I pray. I go read my daily affirmations out of my daily stoic book and out of my Joel Osteen daily Bread book. I get in my car, listen to 90s R&B and I listen to Oprah Super Soul podcast. I just want to set the right tone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So, you know, a tone of love, of acceptance, of just good energy, positive energy.

[Angela Yee]

You know, I think for me it's more of a tone of gratitude, just being thankful. And, you know, I actually was thinking about this yesterday. I feel like when I feel gratitude the most is when I'm actually thankful that I can do something for somebody else when I'm of service to others. Like, you know, you're thankful that you can help a friend with some money or thankful you can, you know, buy a movie theater out so a bunch of kids can see wrinkle in time. Like, I'm thankful for those things. So just attaching myself to that feeling of gratitude every morning, I'm thankful for that. So, yeah, I'm just thankful that I'm able to set people's tone every day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just to complete the thought, when do you. At what point in the morning do you allow in the email and the Internet? 6am so what time do you get up?

[Angela Yee]

4:20, 4:20.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you spend that first hour and a half just downloading positive messages. Gratitude.

[Angela Yee]

Cause soon as 6am starts, the fuck shit starts. Soon as 6am is when the show starts. And that's when you start getting all the tweets off. Fuck you. You know, I can post. Thank you, God, for blessing me with another day of life. Oh, I wish you had died. Like, that's when all of that starts coming in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When that is coming in, what does the positivity, negativity that you've downloaded does? Is that like an antidote? Does that like boost you to deal with the negativity?

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, it does. But then it's really such a crazy conflict. Like, you know, my therapist is like, she said there's three things that you have to do. You have to avoid, approach, or attach. So I'm already, you know, I'm trying to avoid it, but then when I get to work at 6am I have to approach it.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

I just have to attach myself to something positive in order to, like, just keep going. So it's kind of like I gotta attach myself back to those thoughts I had when I first woke up in the morning. You know what I mean? Just to get through that. That assault of negativity that is gonna come my way now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So do you think that you spread negativity on your show? At certain times?

[Angela Yee]

Yeah. At certain times.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

At certain times, you are comfortable playing that antagonist who's gonna say that crazy thing so you.

[Angela Yee]

I'm not playing a role.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't. I didn't. I didn't mean playing a role, but that's. That. I didn't mean playing a role in a negative sense. But there's a role that each of you play on the show, and you're going to do certain things that Envy wouldn't do, that Angela wouldn't do. So it's interesting that you. That you. That you fill yourself up with such positivity and then you have this other side of you that comes out when you do the show.

[Angela Yee]

I think it switched a lot, though. I mean, you definitely can't say I'm. I'm the same person I was seven years ago.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Angela Yee]

Or even three, four years ago. I think it's been a lot. I think it's been a lot of growth and a lot of evolution just because I am aware of that. And I'm not trying to make anybody feel uncomfortable. I used to always tell Angie Martinez, the beauty of her when I see her do interviews is she. She knows how to make people feel comfortable.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Angela Yee]

You know, and that's something that I've tried to learn to do. And I think people are realizing that. They know I'm not malicious. You know what I'm saying? Like, they know I'm not trying to attack you. I'm not a gotcha journalist.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Angela Yee]

I would hope I'm not. I don't think I come off like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think you're a gotcha. I think you're like, the streets are saying this. I'm gonna put it to your face.

[Angela Yee]

Yes. And we live in an era now where everybody should be okay with that because of social media. Like these people, these celebrities we interview, these athletes, activists, political pundits, whatever. They see what people say about them. They read what's going on about them in the news. They read what's going on about them on Social media. So for me to bring that to them and have them answer it directly, I think that's a great thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you call it the most dangerous radio show. And, I mean, I know when I did your show, I was scared. I was like, what's he gonna say? How's he gonna try to hem me up? Da, da, da. And you were mad respectful. And it was a great conversation and I appreciate it. But I went in there tense, and, like, I was like, okay, where's it coming? Where's it coming? I'm be ready for it. And I wonder how many other people step in there tense because they know, oh, Charlamagne's gonna say some shit. Even if you don't, there's a certain mood set by your reputation, what you've done. And I wonder what impact that has on the interviews.

[Angela Yee]

I think a lot. But I think it's also a good thing too, though, because people know they can't come in there. And us, like, a lot of times people come in there, and one of the ways I think they think that they're disarming us is. Is just putting it all out on the table beforehand. Like, I can have a list of questions and just be sitting there like, oh, okay, Well, I didn't even have to. I didn't think it was gonna go in that direction. I thought we would have to get to that. But now we're getting to that point where they're just laying it all out there. But one of the things I like to do, whatever the hot button topic is, like, tell you, like, when Tyga Jenner came and everybody was like, about him and Kylie, boom. That's the first question immediately off the top. Are you a pedophile? You know what I'm saying? Not saying that I think he is, but that's what everybody on social media was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But deal with it right away.

[Angela Yee]

Deal with it right away. Let's get it out the way. I feel like once you take it there, then everything else just falls.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You are good at the short, immediate bang question.

[Angela Yee]

Learned that from Larry King, man. Larry King told me one time, just having a conversation with him, he was like, yo, just always ask why. That's the most important question you can ask. It's not difficult. Why? And all my interviewers don't ask long winded questions. Oprah, don't ask long winded questions. You know lyrics. Don't ask long winded questions. They're quick, quick, quick. Like, I hate people that ask long winded questions.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why do you like the short questions?

[Angela Yee]

Cause they're simple and basic and it's just, it's easy to answer. Are you a pedophile?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's harder to get away from. Right. I find like if you ask a longer question, there's more room for them to slide around and be like, why did you punch that girl?

[Angela Yee]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can't go off. And I also find if you ask a lot of short questions, the other person starts talking a lot and just the intake of breath just makes them just forget a little bit the control and the mask and they start to say things they might not otherwise say. You know what I mean?

[Angela Yee]

And let it be an air of uncomfortability. Like if you ask somebody something and it's a short question and they don't respond, just let it sit there for a minute.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. Silence.

[Angela Yee]

Because then they feel a little awkward. So then they be like, see, this is what I mean. I gotta. Then they go into explanation, you know, I mean, don't give them an out now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The silence is really important as a silent follow up can really accomplish a lot. A lot of journalists will jump in. They don't. They fear the silence.

[Angela Yee]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you don't say anything, the other person will fill it up.

[Angela Yee]

That's what I hate. Sometime on the Breakfast Club when it's a nice little awkward moment. Let it be awkward. Ye. Don't jump in. And if you don't jump in, just let it be awkward for a moment. Because that's gonna make them, that person have to say something. Especially when they know they on camera because they know they look awkward in that moment. So they gotta say something.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, man, you, you remind me of some of the, some of the moments with the cycle when it was like don't, don't say nothing. Just let it, just let it. We had this, this, this firefighter on once who was in, who was, who was not there on 911 and his man had taken his place. And I knew that he was feeling away about it. I could feel the guilt on him that he sent his friend to do his shift that day so he could go to court and his friend died. And you know, I asked him something and I could feel the tears about to come and Abby started to jump in. I was like, don't say nothing. And then a moment later the tears came and. You know what I mean?

[Angela Yee]

You got your moment.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's real, it's real, it's real. And I wasn't like trying to make him cry, but it was like a real moment. We're talking about 9, 11, it's a real moment. But you. Are you going for moments? Are you going for, like, what are you trying to accomplish with the way that you approach the Breakfast Club?

[Angela Yee]

I just want to create good content. And I'm a fan. At the end of the day, like, I feel like whenever I sit down and have a conversation with somebody, I approach it with a sense of discovery. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not an expert at anything. I hate these people who act like experts. I hate these hip hop purists who act like they know everything about the culture and the game and what they say goes. I'm always sitting down with people, and it's a sense of discovery. So all I'm really trying to do is have a good conversation, create good content. I want to be entertained. I want to be educated. I feel like if I'm entertained and I'm educated, then my listener will be entertained and my listener will be educated. And by the way, you can't create those moments. Like, those moments like a moment like a Birdman or whatever, that comes from a place of me being honest.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Birdman walked in the room upset about.

[Angela Yee]

The past, guns are blazing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's go into Beanie for a minute. Right? Beanie Siegel was a big interview, and it was. It was challenging because he was really challenging you. He was, like, socially, like, accepting mv, and he's like, I don't like. And at one point, he tells you to shut up. Right? He's dissing you.

[Angela Yee]

You're not qualified.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right?

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And interviewers, if you do enough interviews, you will get into that position where the subject is not fucking with you at that moment. So what do you do? What are you thinking? How do you feel to be able to not have it go off the rails because you don't want him to storm out because then you have less content.

[Angela Yee]

I don't care. Birdman's interview is 2 minutes, 20 seconds long.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right, right, right.

[Angela Yee]

But.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right, but I mean, like. But you could have said some wild stuff to insult Beanie, and that's not the best television, the best radio.

[Angela Yee]

Nah. Because first of all, number one, I'm a fan of Beanie Siegel. Like, Beanie Siegel's music is incredible. Beanie's an incredible lyricist. But in that moment, I didn't like the way he was moving when it came to Meek Mill. He had did my man Tax Stone's podcast, and it really just sounded like he was hating on Meek.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But here he's in your studio on your show telling you to shut up, and you didn't attack him.

[Angela Yee]

Nah. Cause it was based off everything I'm saying right now. Like I told him I feel like he's an opportunist.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you let it go to envy and the energy calmed down a little bit. And then you came back in with another question. And I'm just like, I know some people might feel away after an artist you respect who's from the street tells you shut up.

[Angela Yee]

Not me. Because all I did at the end of the day was tell him exactly how I felt. Same thing I was saying when he wasn't there. Same thing I was saying on the Breast Club. Same thing I was saying on my podcast. So when he came, I said it directly to him. I think that you know your opportunities. I mean, your loyalty lies with whoever's presenting you an opportunity at the moment. If that upsets you, cool. I'm fine with that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you don't. It doesn't bother you to have someone like that who you respect tell you to shut up?

[Angela Yee]

Nah. Cause I mean, that would hurt me. Nah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I'd have to work around that.

[Angela Yee]

Nah. It's like Beanie Siegel. Me listening to Beanie Siegel my whole life and thinking I know what kind of guy he is or the character he portrays. If I tell him that I think his loyalty lies with whoever's providing him an opportunity, I have to know he's not gonna hug me and say, you know what? You're right, Charlamagne. You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I understand. Look, I don't want to run down the whole Monique thing again. I know your perspective. We know her perspective. But again, just the crazy situation that interviewers sometimes get put in when she's up there saying your government name, and that's not the name you are professionally rocking with. So she's trying to be disrespectful. I know I would be very upset if somebody came at me with that tactic. So what are you feeling and what are you doing to not get upset and to not react because she's trying to trigger you?

[Angela Yee]

I'm gonna be honest. That didn't bother me at all. Like, even that day, Envy was like, yo, she was trying to disrespect you. I'm like, that's my name. I hear that name every day. What do you think? You think my wife calls me Charlemagne? I think my mom, My wife calls me Leonard. My. My mom calls me Lenard. Like every. My family called me lenard. My little 2 year old daughter here's. My wife called me. She starts saying Leonard instead of Daddy. Like, so I'm like, why would her calling me by my government name be taken as a form of disrespect? Like, that's the. That's the name of my checks. When I executive produce shows, it says, Lenard Cedar God McKelvey. Like, I honestly didn't understand why people took that as an insult.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It didn't bother you?

[Angela Yee]

Nah, not even a little bit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So, okay, larger. What is the key or what are some of the keys to being great at radio?

[Angela Yee]

Being yourself. Authenticity. Like, that's honestly the number one key. Like, if you want to be great at radio and you want to stand out, truly be yourself. Like, like, everybody else is taken. Like, I've seen, you know, people, you know, they call me the hip hop Howard Stern, but I'm not trying to be Howard. You know, sure, there's nothing. There's nothing. If you actually listen to Howard. Me and Howard really don't have any similarities. Not. Not to me, anyway. You know, I think he's an amazing interviewer. I want to. I want to hope to get to that level. You know, hopefully therapy gets. Helps me get to that level as well, because I feel like it's the. When I. Now. Now that I've been in therapy and I hear his interviews, I can hear a lot of that therapy talk when he's talking to his guests. So hopefully, over time, that's something that'll convey through me. But just be yourself. I've seen jocks try to be other people and crash and burn like that. I hate when people say, oh, charlamagne, you're a shock jock. I'm like, nah. Cause I'm not trying to say anything to purposely shock you. I don't feel like it's any value in shock whatsoever. People say shock value? No, there's no value in shock. I personally don't think so. So I just think authenticity, being yourself, like, it's the easiest thing in the world to be. Like, getting on that microphone, talking about your life, what you're going through, what's going on at your house. Like, I'm not afraid to be transparent and talk about things that are happening with me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who are some of the hosts that you look up to and think are some of the greatest.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, man. Howard Stern, of course. I think that the star in Buck Wild morning show with Ms. Jones when it was on Hot 97, was, like, probably the greatest morning show of all time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That one or when they were on power 105.

[Angela Yee]

Nah, the one on hot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You go back to hot.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah. Ms. Jones like, Ms. Jones was a great personality.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She was still.

[Angela Yee]

You had Starr in there, who's a great personality. Ms. Jones, like, that's. That dynamic was. Was really dope. I love Petey Green. You know what I mean? I study a lot of Petey Green. Petey Green was a radio personality in D.C. don Cheadle actually made a movie about Petey Green called Talk to Me. That's a great movie. Of course, you know, the Tom Joyners, you know, because of what Tom Joyner did as far as the business aspect, you know, owning his own nationally syndicated morning show. I just.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You started working with a legend, Wendy Williams.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What did you learn from her that you carry forward?

[Angela Yee]

Wendy's show prep was incredible. Wendy's the first person ever told me that show prep is not something you just do an hour before the show. Show prep is something that's constant, meaning that Wendy could be in a retail store the day before, shopping, having conversations with people, and something would happen in that store that she would bring to the radio. Something simple. It could be something like, don't you hate when you return clothes? And, you know, this happens and that happens. Everybody goes through stuff like that. So something as minute as that becomes, like, the most relatable thing in the world. I like hot sauce on my potato chips thing, and I sit down and I watch my show. Like, she'd talk about watching the show, like Scandal, but then walk you through her pregame of what her snacks were and what she was going to eat that night. Like, all of that stuff builds a different connection with your audience. So she taught me that just show prep was something that was all the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So that's how you look at it. Is that. Is that how you look at it?

[Angela Yee]

Oh, absolutely. Like, show prep is a constant thing. Like, anybody will tell you that's around me, they, like, he gonna bring that to the air. You know what I'm saying? Like, Envy and Angela. Like, I'm not doing. I'm not saying that around Charlamagne, because Charlamagne gonna talk about it on the radio because nothing is off limit. Like, let's have the conversation. Like, let's. Let's talk about everything. Like, that's how I feel. Like you connect with your audience in a real way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So talk about therapy and how it has helped you professionally.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, man. Therapy has helped me professionally because it's helping me so much personally. And, you know, like I said, I'm transparent. So my personal life is my professional life, but it's just kind of helping me figure things out. But I think before therapy, I even realized that it's okay not to know. I think that that's something that's very lost in this era that we're in. Everybody has to know every thing. Like, everybody has to be an expert at something like. Like nobody can ever just sit back and be like, I don't know, I'm trying to figure it out. Like, everybody has an opinion on something. Everybody has a hot take, Everybody has a pov. Instead of just sitting back and saying, you know what? I don't know. And that's what therapy does for me. Therapy helps me just to go in and realize that it's okay not to know. It's okay just to, you know, figure things out. Like my therapist just recently told me, she said, you need to let go of expectations of people. I'm like, wow, something as simple as that. Because, you know, you open up your Instagram right now, your Twitter, you read a Think piece, or you'd be like, where is this coming? Like, what's wrong with this? What is wrong with this person? What are you talking about? You gotta let go of your expectation of people. That's them, you know, that's them. That's their pov, that's their thoughts. Like, you can't, you know, you can't have people's expectations and align them with yours. Cause the way you think is different, the information you have is different, the way you live your life is different. So I can't have the expectations for myself that I have for other people because they don't know what I know and they're not me. So you gotta just let that go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You started talking before about therapy infecting your questions.

[Angela Yee]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So how has therapy helped you as.

[Angela Yee]

An interviewer, being more understanding? You know, I mean, I've always been a good listener, but you know, when you sit down with a therapist, like, they're really listening.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Angela Yee]

You know, and I think sometimes that's why the long form conversation is so great nowadays. Because, man, sometimes these artists just want to be listened to. And that's why I learned that a long time ago watching Oprah and Diane Sawyer and Barbara Walt. He's like, damn, why they interview so good? Cause they actually sit down and talk to people for an hour. They give it time, you know what I mean? It's not like how when I first started doing radio and I had a five minute talk break, five minute talk break here and a three minute talk break there, and you had to get in and out real quick, like, no, they really sitting down having conversations. That's why the Breakfast Club, we do a lot of interviews after the show. Cause we give time to sit there and just have real conversations with people. So I just think it's helping me just being able to be an even better listener. Cause I don't think you can ever stop improving on listening.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right?

[Angela Yee]

And everybody's always so busy trying to improve on talking instead of improving on listening.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, I would imagine the effort to know yourself and the. The learning of yourself would give you a chance to understand other people.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, I mean, I know that's why in a lot of ways it might be affecting my professional career. Because when you young and you grew up in, like, South Carolina and you new to all of this, you think you know about the industry, but you really have no idea. So you believe every world star, hip hop conspiracy. You believe all of the things you see on YouTube about people. I grew up, I came up with Wendy Williams. She's telling me everybody's gay and this. You know what I mean? Like, I got all these things in my mind. So when I'm talking to these artists, I think I already know. But then as you grow in the game and, you know, you start to rise, you start looking online and seeing things about yourself that are totally not true. Like, I mean, absolutely, positively not even remotely true. I've seen Charlamagne is gay. I've seen Charlamagne bleaches his skin. You know what I mean? Charlamagne's wife is white. I mean, just straight up lies. So once you know that, then you know that a lot of these things that you see about your favorite celebrity, your favorite entertainer, is not even true. Now, you can still choose to ask the question if you want, you know, just because. Just because it's out there. It depends on what the roar is about it. I'd be like, yo, online, they saying this about you. Yo, I read here that they said this about you. How do you feel about that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, I think a lot of people don't realize how much of a performance the interview is that we have to be in the moment. Like an athlete, like, thinking, like, what do I do next? Where do I take this? The least little word could take the question from here to somewhere else. And that's not where I wanted to be. And so just can you take me through a little bit of what you were thinking as you're going through the interview so that you are shaping it to go in the direction you want it to go?

[Angela Yee]

Well, honestly, I'm just having a Conversation like, you know, I can write down 10 questions that I have prepared to ask in this interview, but Envy might ask the question first, Angela might ask the question first. This person might get to it before I even get to ask the question, you know, so I can't even really focus on that. That's just there for me to have. Mostly it's just about listening to the conversation. If you're really listening to somebody and really engaged with them and talking and have a conversation, you won't miss those little nuances of things. I think that you miss things when you're so busy focused on what you want to ask. You know what I mean? If I got 10 questions, and I'm like, I got to get to these questions. I'm really not listening to you. I'm listening with the intent to reply, not the intent to understand. I'm always sitting there having a conversation, listening to understand a person and listening to what they say. Because, like you said, not only can one word throw an interview off, one word can take an interview a whole nother place. That's even better than you thought it was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Angela Yee]

So I just think I'm just. I'm just listening, man. I'm. I'm really trying to intently listen and have a conversation with a person. Like, I really want to. Want to want to talk to you. Like I said, with the intent to understand, not to reply.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So most of what you are saying, you didn't plan.

[Angela Yee]

It depends. Like I said, I always have 10 questions, right? And by the way, I used to always make sure I had 10. Nowadays, I don't fight it. If it's five good questions that I want to ask or something that I see everybody talking about on social media, we're going to get that. We're going to ask that first and get that out the way. But sometimes people say things in interviews that take me somewhere else. Like, I was talking to Pastor John Gray and his wife this morning. I don't want to mispronounce the name as Aventura, I believe, but, you know, they were talking about marriage counseling, and, you know, that's just the conversation that came up. So I'm like, yo, you know, later on, I'm like, y'all mentioned marriage counseling, you know, but y'all don't seem to have problems. And so they went into a whole conversation about, yes, it's maintenance. But that's just coming from me listening and hearing them say, oh, yeah, we go to marriage counseling. Because I was. I think I might have asked them, who helps Y'all. Who do y'all talk to? I didn't think they were gonna say they go to actual marriage counseling. So that just opened up a whole broader conversation that I know a lot of my listeners gonna be listening to. Like, yo, I'm look into that, too. You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, that is about your natural.

[Angela Yee]

Curiosity, sense of discovery.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. And just tapping into that and just. I'm interested in you as a person.

[Angela Yee]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And not just tell me who the producers on your album are. And I hate those. Right. But, like, you know, what did you go through while you were making this record? And, you know, marriage counseling, even though you seem to be good, I mean, that is such an important part of it that a lot of people miss, I think.

[Angela Yee]

But that's what I said. It's all about that sense of discovery. That's the beauty of being a fan, you know what I'm saying? When you're a fan, are you an individual who is naturally curious about people? It's that sense of discovery. Like, I'm sitting there talking to Pastor John Gray and his wife, and I hear that, and I'm like, oh, man, that's dope. Then I start thinking, like, damn, should me and my wife go to marriage counseling? Because, I mean, I go to therapy for mental maintenance. You know what I mean? I go to therapy for that, so why not do that with marriage counseling, too? And then his wife started talking about how, you know, marriage counseling is good because every week you go in there and these little tiny issues you're getting out, these little things that you didn't even think that your partner didn't even think were bothering you, you're saying that week, as opposed to letting it build up for months and months and months and months. And then when y'all finally do have a nap, an argument, something as simple as, yo, you didn't take the trash out turns into, and, yeah, by the way, last month you did this and that night, you know what I'm saying? You get it all out every week. So I don't think that's a bad thing at all. This episode is brought to you by Selectquote. Life insurance can have a huge impact on our family's future. With Selectquote, getting covered with the right policy for you is simple and affordable. Selectquote's licensed insurance agents will tailor your experience to find a life insurance policy for your needs and at least little as 15 minutes. And selectquote partners with carriers that provide policies for many conditions. Selectquote they shop, you save go to selectquote.com Spotify Pod today to get started.

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[Angela Yee]

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[DJ Envy]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Angela Yee]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you think about the quality of your voice? Like the way your voice sounds?

[Angela Yee]

That's funny you say that because I used to, but I don't anymore. But then I was listening, I'm on TV one, the uncensored show. I'm gonna be on it this Sunday on TV one. And I'm listening to myself and I'm like, damn, I sound a little weird. Like my voice has changed over the years. I'm like, I don't feel like, I didn't feel like I sounded like that. Like I literally was listening to it this morning saying that to myself. So I don't know, I don't, I don't air check myself as much as I used to, you know, you know what an ad check is in radio when you would listen back to your show. And I don't really do that like, you know, I watch interviews every now and then, but that's, that's about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You used to listen to all your.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, all the time. Oh man. When I first started radio, when I started in 1998 at Z93 JAMS, every show I'd go home and listen to every show. When I worked at Hot 98. Nine, every show. And I worked in Columbia at the big DM Hot139, I listened to every show.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Looking for what?

[Angela Yee]

Just trying to be better. One thing that I was always told my man, George Cook. Salute to George Cook. He's operations manager at K104 in Dallas. He was my, the first person to hire me and give me a full time job in Race. Still a great mentor to me to this day. He would always tell me I need to have more of a conversational tone. So I was always looking for that conversational tone because he said it always sounded like I was screaming at somebody and talking at people instead of talking to them. And I don't think I really started to develop the conversational tone until I started working with other people in the studio. And when you start working with other people in the studio and having conversations with them in there, you're not screaming at that person when you're talking, you know? So it's like, I think I started to learn it then because I started to really understand what it meant to have that conversational tone on the radio. So once I started working with people, whenever I would do the show by myself, I still understood how to have that conversational tone. But I think I really mastered it when I was working, working with Wendy. Because she's the queen of the conversational tone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, no, she's your friend just talking.

[Angela Yee]

To you by herself.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. Think about this incredible.

[Angela Yee]

Sitting in the studio by yourself for four hours before I got there. She was in the studio for four hours by herself talking. And I've seen her do, like, she could do a whole show by herself. Trust me, there's been times Wendy did not want to talk to me, and she would ice me out and act like I wasn't there. So I would be sitting there watching her have a full conversation with herself. It's unbelievable.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can you show us the difference between talking to the listener and talking at the listener? Like, what does it sound like?

[Angela Yee]

Talking to the listener is like, Power 151 is your home for hip hop and R B. This is that new Drake, God's plane. Yo, you seen that video? That video's amazing. Yo, Drake gave out a million dollars. Shout out to Drake. Up next, we got the new Fetty Wap. No, Fetty Wap ain't got no new music. Whatever. It's Power 151, hip hop and R B. Like, that's talking at the person. You're not even. And it's not. It's like you're not even acknowledging the person. It's like you. Like you're driving in the car and yes, you're. And I never wanted to be an announcer.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And talking with them is more like.

[Angela Yee]

What I'm talking right now. Yo, it's the world's most dangerous morning show. The Breakfast Club. Angela Yee, DJ Envy, Charlamagne, Tha God. And it's like, yo, man, you know, salute to everybody who came out to my screen in a Wrinkle In Time last night, man. Wrinkle In Time. I'm telling you, it's the perfect daddy daughter date. Like, I took my daughter to go see it in la and like, you know you're gonna be asking your daughter one simple Question. When the movie is over, will you come look for me? Like that is this. You know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Conversational. It's regular, right? It's what I might say to you at the barbecue or whatever, asking the.

[Angela Yee]

Question, have you seen. Yo, have y'all seen the movie Wrinkle in Time yet? Yo, I wouldn't took my daughter to see it last week. Like, I'm asking the question. You're driving in your car, you're like, nah, I haven't seen it. No.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Angela Yee]

No. Now Charlamagne telling me why I need to go see it, you know? Like, that's the difference between talking to somebody and being an announcer and just yelling like, free pizza. Come get your free pizza. Like, that's literally how it sounds.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But even. Even. Even without the volume difference, I can hear a big difference of I'm just having a monologue versus I'm having a conversation that allows you in even though you're not literally here.

[Angela Yee]

Yep, absolutely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So how many jobs, radio jobs, did you have before The Breakfast Club?

[Angela Yee]

6. Breakfast Club. The seventh radio station I worked at, I worked at Z93 JAMS in Charleston, South Carolina. Hot 989 in Charleston, South Carolina. The Big DM in Columbia, South Carolina. Hot 139 in Columbia, South Carolina. I worked WBLS with Wendy, and then I worked in Philly at 100.3 to beat at the Moment show.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And so in Philly, you had the morning Philly.

[Angela Yee]

I did my own morning show, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How did you get the morning with Philly? Because you were with Wendy. You were. You were a second banana.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, I mean, I came from doing my own show. I always did my own show until I got well in Columbia. I started working with my man, Big Sexy. You know, that was his radio name. His name's Bill Black. Sweet. My man Bill Black. So we did the Hot Boys together. And then for a brief moment, I worked with my homegirl Venom, and we did nights together. And then when I got with Wendy, I was working with Wendy. But before that, I was always doing my own show. Even when I was in Columbia doing radio, I had my own show on the weekend called Charlamagne, the God's Concrete Jungle. So I come from always having my own show. And Philly just really hurt me cause of Wendy, which was interesting because I worked with Wendy for, like, I think I worked with her from February of 06 to November 2 of 2008. And the reason I remember the date I got fired is because on November 3rd, President Barack Obama became President Elect. And that was when the economy was all messed up. So they literally fired like 20 people from WBLS. I just happened to be one of them. But then I realized the impact I guess I had had on that show because people cared. It was in the New York Times that I got fired. And you know, the news station wanted to come interview me, you know, for getting fired. And like it was just a thing. And I was like, wow. So then like five, six months later, you know, I got hired to do mornings at 100.3 to beat in Philly. And they hired me solely based off what they had heard me do on Wendy's show. And Elroy at the time, who was the program director and my man Johnny and a young lady named Moshe, they was just like, yo, we would always hear you on Wendy and be like, yo, Charlamagne can do his own show. And I guess it helped too when Wendy wasn't there and they would let me do the show by myself. Like, you know, like that's a big deal to be able to do Wendy's show by yourself. Yeah, you know, I mean Wendy wouldn't never let me totally do it by myself, but I would get like 5 minutes, 8 minutes and then I would have to throw to a best of segment. But it's fine, you know what I mean? I'm gonna make the most of this eight minutes, right? It's a funny story. I actually. Media Takeout popped off because of the Wendy WINS experience. Fred, Fred will tell you that right now. Because when I would do Wendy's show by myself, it was just this one day. Well, I just kept getting all of these crazy ass stories from this website called Media Takeout. This brand new website and it was stuff like Kelly Rowland is pregnant and this and that. I remember Wendy got mad at me like, yo, this site isn't even a real site. It's not credible. I don't know why you using these stories like yada, yada yada. And then when she got back, she was using those same stories that they were just so good, you know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So the Breakfast Club is the. Is definitely the best starting gig hosting gig that you've had. Just the platform is huge. It's a morning, it's a big station, no shots at the other stations. But. But you know, this is like, you know, I'm first base on the Yankees now. How did you get the Breakfast Club?

[Angela Yee]

I got the Breakfast Club based off the stuff I was doing with Wendy. But more so the stuff I started was doing in Philly. I was only in Philly for eight months. Eight, nine months on 100.3 to beat. And, you know, it was Charlemagne, the God in the morning beat. But what it was, the beauty of it was Philly is what you call a PPM market. And, you know, PPM was a new rating system that came in, and I think it replaced Arbitron. You remember Arbitron, you would just. You'd get a diary and you would just write down what you were listening to and what show you were listening to. And that's how they got ratings. PPM is real time, meaning that you wear a device and, you know, whatever you're listening to at that moment, it picks up. And that's how they get numbers.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How many people wear the device?

[Angela Yee]

I'm not sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is it 20,000? It's like a tiny. Is it a tiny.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, it's not big. It's not big at all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And off of what this small number of people do, the ratings.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, one. One person could. Could shift everything. But. But if you remember when Wendy was on BLS, she didn't do good in PPM. Like, she literally went from number one to number 15, number 20, which lets you know the device was flawed. But eventually they got it together. So by the time I got in Philly, I took. I had the number two show in the city. Okay, right. So Power 105 in New York was looking at all of that. They was looking at that kind of stuff. Like, oh, wow. Because, I mean, it's not like the radio. The talent pool in radio was so large.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Angela Yee]

So if you're looking to make changes in major markets, you're looking at a certain crop of people. I just happen to be one of those crop of people. But when they realized, like, oh, wow, Charlamagne can do numbers in a ppm world. When I got fired from Philly, Power 105 was the first people to reach out. I didn't get the job right then, but my man G, Spin and Cadillac Jack, they were the first person to reach out just to have, like a general meeting and general conversation and see where my head was at and see what kind of person I was at the time, they didn't. They didn't really like my management, though, which happened to be Wendy Williams husband, you know, Kevin Hunter. So when I finally did get the job later on, not even get the job. When I went back to meet with them about five, six months later on, you know, one of the first things Cadillac said to me was like, so, is Kevin still your manager?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And I was like, Nah.

[Angela Yee]

And then that's when he broke down to me about how people in the building were like, you cannot hire Charlamagne if he is. If Kevin's his manager, yeah, he's just. He's got a toxic energy, and you cannot bring that in here. And so when I told him that I didn't have him as my manager no more, whatever blessing was being blocked definitely opened up. Cause that's when they hired me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So they were coming to you this whole time. Were you going to them? Were you trying to create things or.

[Angela Yee]

I was on the. I think when I got let go from Wendy, you know, we threw some darts against the wall to see if they would stick. You know, I mean, just to let them know, hey, I'm out of here. You know, if you don't know who I am, you know, be familiar. And I think Philly is what made everybody. When I was in Philly doing radio, that's when I started getting on a lot of people's radar. Because a lot of the things I was doing went viral. Like the inter I did with Cassie and Red Cafe, you know, when I interviewed Freeway Ricky Ross, or, you know, the Beanie Siegel interview. That. That when he was going at Jay Z, like, stuff like that. Like, all of that stuff was going viral. So people was knowing me then. Like, that's when viral was a big thing. And then the way I got fired from Philly, I got. I aired the Beanie Siegel interview on a Thursday, played it back on a Friday, played it again that Monday, got fired that Monday. But immediately when I tweeted out like, yo, thank you for the past six, seven months, Philly, immediately all the blog started picking up and was like, jay Z, Did Jay Z get Charlemagne fired? And I ran with it. I'm like, yo, I don't know if he did or not, but that's gonna read very well in a book one day.

[Unknown]

Did he?

[Angela Yee]

I don't think so. Because when he came to the Breakfast Club, we asked them, but he didn't answer. You know what I'm saying?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He doesn't answer anything.

[Angela Yee]

He don't have to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He doesn't answer. I mean, he's a brilliant interviewee in that he knows how to not like a politician, to not say anything. And you don't even realize he didn't really say anything. He didn't really answer the question.

[Angela Yee]

But can't you tell how therapy has helped Jay be an even better interviewer? Like, I always thought Jay was a good person. I love watching people interview Jay Z. I Love the Rap Radar interview he did. I love the interview I think he did with the New York Times. Like, you can tell he's more open because of therapy. Like, even when the way he would respond to Elliot and. And B Dot, he'd be like, y'all got me talking about all this shit. You know what I mean? But you could just tell he's open to it because of therapy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, he's always been open. If you know how to. If you know how to do it. If you know how to. You know, I talked to him for Rolling Stone once, and it was. It was like six months after his nephew had passed over that in the car that he had bought him. And I was like. We were in his office, and I was like, can we talk about that? And he's like, no. And I didn't say anything. And he said no again. And he took an even longer pause. He's like, no. And I'm like, I'm not saying anything. All right, a little bit. And then he. And then I didn't even say anything. And then he went into the story and just. You know what I mean? If you, you know, like, you were talking about. If you pause, if you listen, you know, you can get a lot out of people.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah. And I mean, by the way, that's respect too, though, right? Like, what kind of dickhead would you be if you ask him, yo, can we talk about your nephew dying? And he's like, no. And you don't respect that. Like, at the end of the day, these people are humans.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes.

[Angela Yee]

And I think that's the other thing that, you know, I come to realize. Sorry. That it only took me 40 years to realize that. But these celebrities are human beings. Like, they're, they're. They're regular flesh and blood people. They got feelings, too. You know what I mean? Like, I remember I was watching even Birdman doing an interview, and Birdman was like, yeah, you know, I wasn't really tripping off nothing Charlemagne said until my daughter bought it to me, you know, so imagine that somebody's child come, like, Charlamagne said this about you and said that about you. Like, so you. You just like. I never act clueless as to why people are upset as to why they may not want to talk about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that thing you talk about, when we think of them as celebrity, as people and not as celebrities or special, sometimes interviewers will ask them basically about, you know, their. Their icon, and I'm like, jay Z does not experience Jay Z the way we do. He's on the stage. We're looking at him like, wow, you're the man. He doesn't experience it that way, but he experiences it. Like, I get up and Blue is like, you know, daddy, I want you to make me breakfast. And what is that?

[Angela Yee]

Like, yeah, yeah. I mean. And, you know, so I think about, you know, all the times I met Jay, and I remember one time meeting him, and, you know, I think Blue had just been born. I remember asking like, how's the baby? And it's like, that moment, and we was in a. We was in a club. We was in, like, the 4040 club. I'm like, yo, how's the baby? And he was like. I could see the all human. Like, yo, she good. You know what I'm saying? Like, and that's like, it was cool. We've been cool since.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, it's almost like a cheat code. Like, you see as a parent, how many kids you got?

[Angela Yee]

Two, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You see? I mean, you could talk to any parent on the subway, at the Met, like, wherever. Just go up to any parent, be like, yo, kids are a trip. Or, kids are so cute, or so. And they jump right into talking about kids and with, you know, with a J, with a puff, with anybody, like, how's your kids?

[Angela Yee]

Like, but you don't see. You don't. You don't. I really don't think you experience love until you have children. Yeah, I remember my homegirl, Daria Alexander, said that. And she said, if you love your significant other the way you love your kids, then you're really in love. I'm like, you think that's almost an impossible task, right? But it's not. Like, those are all my hearts outside of my body. My wife, my daughters. Like, I love my wife more now than I ever did in my life because I see how she is such a great wife and how she's such a great mother and we share these children. And, like, I really understand what love is because of these two, you know, young girls that I have. And I love her just like I love them. That's my unit. So you really don't experience, like, you know, what true love is until, you know, you have kids. So that's why I think the. The real humanness comes into play.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So we were driving toward. How did you get the Breakfast Club? And I got. They were coming to you.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And Kevin was out of the picture. So now they're like, okay, we. We've. We're happy with your representation.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah. Which I had none at the time. And they started talking to me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right. We're happy dealing with nobody.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah. So they started talking to me in that summer, and then I think maybe around. Yeah, like September, October, around the fall. That's when they started making the changes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is 20, 2010. Okay.

[Angela Yee]

Cause I was living back home with my mom in South Carolina, and I just happened to be up here one weekend and hit G Spin up out the blue, like, yo, what's good? And he was like, yo, I'm at the station. Come through. He said, you in town? I said, yeah. He said, come through. So I went to the station, and that's when the initial conversation happened. And I remember Cadillac Jack. And that's why I love Cadillac to this day. He's a great mentor of mine. He is a man of his word. Cause he asked me, he said, would you want to work here? I'm like, hell, yeah. He was like, how soon can you wait? I'm like, for this job for as long as you want me to. Cause like, you say that's morning radio in New York, right? It don't get no bigger than that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right?

[Angela Yee]

It don't get no bigger than morning radio in New York.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Angela Yee]

So, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What Number was power 105 at that point in the morning?

[Angela Yee]

In the morning, I think. I mean, I don't. I don't think they would. They might have been top ten. Maybe. Maybe eight or nine.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not even in the game.

[Angela Yee]

Nah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who was number one in the morning at that time?

[Angela Yee]

Nah. Elvis Duran. Elvis Durant. 1834. Elvis still number one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Elvis Duran.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, yeah. You're not beating Elvis out of.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Where's he out of?

[Angela Yee]

He's New York Z100. Okay, okay, okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I meant out of the urban.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely. Hot 97. Oh, Steve Harvey. Hot 97 or Steve Harvey. I'm not sure at the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So when they're talking to you, you were the first piece of the puzzle.

[Angela Yee]

Actually, they hired Envy, but they had Envy in the afternoons.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Angela Yee]

I was definitely the first piece of the puzzle as far as. Okay, if we're gonna do a morning show, Charlamagne has to be on the morning show. Because I remember having conversations with Cadillac, and he was like, yo, who would you want to do mornings with? And I remember telling him, Angela Yee. Because Angela Yee, you know, as far as being a woman. Not even just being a woman, just a radio personality, period. She was like. Her name rang bells just off doing satellite radio. And I remember Cadillac saying, but isn't she kind of like you and I'm like, nah, she's just on satellite radio. So, you know, you hit a cursing, you hit a raunchiness. But me and her are, like, totally different. And plus, I had worked with Angela as well, because Angela was one of those people that when I was doing radio and when I wasn't doing radio and I didn't have a radio job, she would tell me to come up to her show, and I'd sit in on her show and be her co host for the morning show. And that was good because it kept my name out there. So I guess that's kind of like what planted the seed in g spin mind. Like, yo, they actually sound good together. And I guess he had been telling Cadillac. That's when I told Cadillac. Angela Yee. He had his reservations just because of what he thought she was, but he was just. He was wrong. And then they bought in. Envy. I remember sitting in Mike Kaiser's office, and Kaiser was like, yo, you know what's about to happen? They about to put you and Angelon in the morning. Whatever, whatever. Because, you know, all those radio people in. People talk and they ask questions. What you think about this? What you think about that? And he was like, yeah, it's gonna be you, Envy, and Angela. I said, envy? I said, I haven't heard anything about Envy. And they was like, nah, it's gonna be Envy. And then the reason they put Envy there is cause Envy has a name in New York. Like, my name would come up when they would do perceptuals and stuff based off what I did with Wendy and now the Internet in Philly. People knew who I was, but Envy had a name as a mainstay in New York. So he was the anchor that they wanted in there with me and you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So what is the role, as you see it, of each of the players, each of the three of y'all?

[Angela Yee]

I remember Dennis Clark, our radio consultant, he would say, envy is the anchor. You know, the family man. This is five, six years ago. The anchor, the family man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Angela was like, what do you mean, the anchor? Sorry.

[Angela Yee]

Like the anchor. Like the in and out person. Like the. He'll. He handles all the business. Power1051, home of hip hop and R and B, does all that gets us in and out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Special guest.

[Angela Yee]

Special guest. Yeah, exactly. And Angela was like the party girl, the socialite, the woman on the scene who, you know, knows what's going on, the ins and outs of the industries. And Charlamagne was the lovable asshole. That was our actual role. When we be in meetings and they had our roles written out. That was our role.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, the lovable asshole. I love that. And you and you fully embraced that.

[DJ Envy]

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[Angela Yee]

Please let her come back home safely.

[DJ Envy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

If money is what it takes to.

[Angela Yee]

Get her back, we're gonna pay it. The secrets they hide. You can't talk about this. You can't write about it. Are the clues.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The mother's hiding something.

[Angela Yee]

I know it's to find her. Tell me where she is.

[DJ Envy]

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[Angela Yee]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Angela Yee]

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[DJ Envy]

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[Angela Yee]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not available.

[DJ Envy]

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[Angela Yee]

Tax supplies. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Were you doing that before the Breakfast Club?

[Angela Yee]

Been doing that since elementary school.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay, wait, you. I met you doing Wendy. I don't recall. And I was a huge Wendy fan before and after I was on the show. I don't recall you being that in the Wendy era.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, easy. Easily. That was. I was. That's what I was there for. I was a hitman for hire. Like Wendy had.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You had. Did you do the donkey of the day segment on Wendy?

[Angela Yee]

No. I used to call people donkeys.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, you did that. I just don't remember the Charlemagne of. And maybe it's just my ignorance of the Breakfast Club, you know, the Darth Vader of radio. I don't remember that as the Wendy era.

[Angela Yee]

I almost got into a fight with Flavor Flav and I was telling Flavor Flav he was cooning on Wendy. Chingy came up there and I was like, yo, you like to poster child for whack rappers. Like, it was like I was. I was a hitman for hire like Wendy has. Wendy's made me get at people. And mind you, you know, Chingy and Flavor had no problem with that. Wendy's made me get at people that I didn't want to get at. Like Kelly Rowland.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I remember she told you go.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, yeah?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. What did she tell you?

[Angela Yee]

Like, I want you to get at her. I never used to ask no questions, you know, I want you. I want you to get at her. Get at. Get at Kelly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just get under her skin.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So then would you do.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, the one time she did, I kept messing with Kelly. I was like, yo, Kelly, we both sidekicks. Like, I was like, which was. Which I was being. It was fucked up, like, when you hear it back, like. And it was. And Kelly was like, yo, dude, what's wrong with you? Like, And I felt so bad. And I remember Kelly. I remember the first time Kelly came on the Breakfast Club, and Lala, who I'm really great friends would hit me up like, yo, Kelly's on the show. And Kelly said last time that she sat with you that, you know, it wasn't a good conversation. And, you know, you need to make that right. I said, yeah, you know how it was when I was at that other situation. I said, I got you. So when Kelly came in, I apologized to her. I told her the truth. Like, I apologize.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I told her that. When he sent you.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, absolutely. You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, I have seen in my career, if, for whatever reason you don't get along with X artist, you may never see that artist again. You may or may not get anybody else from the label again. So there's a tremendous social pressure to make sure that you get along with a given artist, because there's any number of other people whose doors will close if you don't.

[Angela Yee]

Well, those days have changed now, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What do you mean?

[Angela Yee]

I don't think. Well, first of all, I think people really feel like all press is good press. So people aren't afraid to come in there and have those uncomfortable conversations. I think labels push the artists. Like, nah, go up there. Go up there. You need that. You need that. If you got a problem, if Charlemagne says something about you and, you know you don't like it, go up there and, you know, talk to him about it. Have that conversation. You know, I mean, because they know it's going to lead to hits and views and nobody cares.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The conflict leads to hits and views. So you. You don't find ever that you are blocked from somebody or somebody says, no, I'm not coming because of what he said to me or what he said to my friend or my label.

[Angela Yee]

I used to think that, but everybody has come.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, yeah, everybody seems to come.

[Angela Yee]

Everybody has come because, like I said, I don't think that they know I'm not being malicious. They know I'm not really trying to attack them. I just got an opinion, and I'm gonna let you express yours and I'm gonna Take it, too. You might want to come up there just to say, fuck you, you little. You ain't shit, Leonard, or whatever it is. I'm cool.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you accepting the Lenard and the Beanie and the Birdman buys you some credibility to be able to dish it out?

[Angela Yee]

I believe so. Cause what kind of hypocrite would I be if I was just somebody that would always be talking to people and talking at people and saying what I wanted to say about people and not letting them respond?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's nobody who won't come. Cause you were rude or mean to them in the past.

[Angela Yee]

Drake. Drake has never come. Drake, historically, definitely. Like, I'm not coming on the Breakfast Club. I don't know if that'll change in the future, maybe. But he definitely was one of those ones that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you've never talked to him. So it's not like he offended me and I'm not coming back.

[Angela Yee]

Have I talked to him?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You never interviewed Drake?

[Angela Yee]

Oh, no. No, no, no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So it's not like he offended me back here and I'm not coming back.

[Angela Yee]

Oh, yeah. He was just upset about Donkey of the days and, you know, commentary I had made on the radio about him. Like, all of that. Like, I mean, I'm sure it's other people because it's people who haven't been on the show. So I'm sure there's other people who probably feel that way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, is there somebody who you want, who you're like, I can't get because they're mad. Cause I said such and such? No, I mean, that. That is. That is amazing to me that the Persona, the lovable asshole Persona is not chasing anyone away.

[Angela Yee]

No, but I. Cause I honestly think they know it's coming from an honest place.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right?

[Angela Yee]

So whenever they feel like coming up to the Breakfast Club and dealing with whatever I got to say at that moment, they'll come and do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So do you ever, like, do a rough interview and then you get a call from the label, the liors or whatever that higher level where they're like, dude, what the fuck?

[Angela Yee]

Oh, no. I tell them, suck my dick. I don't wanna hear that shit. No, seriously. I was like, you can't own. I'm not an industry person like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because I've gotten those calls. The article comes out like, I can't believe you wrote that. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I've had one. I really felt. And you don't even get that.

[Angela Yee]

I've had two phone calls ever. One was from Diddy. One was from J. Prince.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Diddy's a caller.

[Angela Yee]

Yes. And Diddy. Diddy called me when I gave Donkey of the Day to the album Last Train to Paris. And I was like, yo, this is Shake Weight music. And I saw a tweet, and one of the tweets was like, yo, if history serves us correct, Diddy's gonna get Charlemagne fired. So I hit my man Sean Prez. I'm like, yo, what's up with this? Why would he retweet something like this? Sean was like, I'm gonna get y'all on the phone. So we got on the phone, and mind you, Diddy had. Had. Didn't like when I interviewed Cassie, but. But Diddy talked to me like a human being. Diddy was like, yo, that's my girl.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay?

[Angela Yee]

How would you feel if somebody came at your girl like that? As a man, I got no choice but to respect that. Like, damn, he's right. You know, but that goes back to. You realize these people are human and, you know, they're not just some. Some robots. And then like, after we got over that, and I'm like, you know what, man? You right. I was. I was wrong with Cassie. Blase blah. But Last Train to Paris, I. You know, that's. I didn't like the album. He was like, come on, man, you gonna get on this train. So that. So he don't have a problem with you not liking his music, right? But it was the. It was the personal thing. And the other call I got was from Jay Prince about Drake. J. Prince called me, and Jay Prince was like, yo, it was from an unknown number. I don't even know why I answered it. He was like, charlamagne, you know who this is? I said, no. Said, it's J. Prince. He said, he's stepping on my toes. Charlamagne. You on my toes. I feel you on my toes. He was like, you got a Drake album at the house? I said, yeah, I do. He said, I want you to look on the back and read to me who the executive producers are. Something like Brian Birdman Williams, Ronald Slim Williams, J. Prince. He said, exactly. You stepping on my toes, Charlamagne. He said, you know, it's a lot of things that I don't like. I don't like Winnie the Pooh, but I don't go around saying I don't like Winnie the Pooh. And then he said to me, he goes, can you promise me that you're not going, you know, you're going to ease up off my toes and I ain't want to lie to him. Cause I'm like, I said, yo, I don't know if I can. I don't know if I can promise you that. Because I don't know what this man might do tomorrow that I may not like. And J. Prince goes, well, I can't promise you anything then.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's that supposed to mean?

[Angela Yee]

I don't know, but I didn't want to find out, you know. But this was years, years, years, years ago.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Has that changed?

[Angela Yee]

Oh, yeah. J, my man. Me and J. Prince have. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I mean, has that changed what you said about drake on the 8th?

[Angela Yee]

No. Cause this was literally like 2012. My rhetoric towards Drake didn't change till, like, when did back to back come out? When was that? 2015, 2016. It was around the time when Meek had the ghostwriting stuff and all of that. Because when Meek came out and was like, yo, Drake got ghost riders, this and that, yada, yada yada, they sent me those reference tracks. Like those reference tracks that the dude Quentin Miller had made for Drake. They sent those to me first. Like, I had those. I didn't want them. And the reason I didn't want them is because, you know, I don't know if you remember when I played the audio of Floyd Mayweather reading and that that was up. That did not feel good. Nobody called me about that. I didn't get no trouble for that. I didn't like that. I personally.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You felt bad.

[Angela Yee]

I was like, oh, that was up because I did it for all the wrong reasons. I did it because I'm like, yo, this Jimmy Kimmel and 50 Cent and all these people talking about they'll pay him a million dollars to come read a Dr. Seuss book. And, you know, people want to know if Floyd can read. And we actually got audio of him reading. We're putting that on right now. This about to rip. This gonna rating's gonna be through the roof. Yada, yada, yada. I did it for all the wrong reasons. I was looking for a moment. I was trying to create a moment. I was forcing a shot, forcing a shot. It didn't feel good. So that's how I felt when I got the Drake. The Drake reference track. So I hit up J. Prince like, yo, man, I got these. I don't want them. Whatever. I'm afford them to you in the email, whatever. And then I called another. I called a friend that I didn't even know was a friend to Drake and told her about the situation. And I guess that's what she told Drake. And that's when the whole thing happened, and I ended up in the bottom. Charlemagne.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Drake, in particular, aside, you're not trying to create moments, but you've been part of so many. They happen around your work so much.

[Angela Yee]

Thank you to God. Thank you to the radio. God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It can't be. I mean, it's like, you know, poker isn't luck. The same guys end up at the top all the time. It's not lucky. Like, it can't be just luck. And God, that you keep nailing these moments.

[Angela Yee]

Maybe I'm. Listen. I pride myself on consistency. You know, I like being consistent. Like, I want to be consistently one of the best multimedia personalities on the planet. So all I ever try to do is go on that radio station and perform radio at a high level and be authentic at a high level. Not, not, not forced authenticity. Because the problem I have now is, you see, all of these kids now, they think keeping it real is the. Is the way to cut through in radio. Like when you asked me, you know, what does it take to be a great radio person? And I said, be yourself. A lot of these kids aren't being theyself. They trying to be me. Are they trying to be, you know, Desus and Merrill? They try to be what they see working. Just like back in the day, people saw Howard working, they tried to be Howard, they saw Star and Buck working. They tried to be starring Buck. You know, that's what I see now. So it's just like, that's not being authentic. Being authentic is not having a negative hot take just for the sake of trying to look different. Like, yo, you like Black Panther? It was okay, you know, I didn't really appreciate Black Panther. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, it's a great movie. You know what I mean? Like, people are being contrarians on purpose. So for me, I never try to be that. And I think that's the ebbs and flows of me as a personality that people are intrigued by, because some days they'll like me, some days they won't like me, some days they'll tell me I'm contradicting myself. But actually, I'm just changing my mind, and I think I'm fine with that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you think you are harsher on women than men?

[Angela Yee]

I don't know. That's something that I hear a lot of people say, but I don't think so.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, like, when I look at the. There's all these, you know, Charlamagne's craziest moments. Charlamagne's most inappropriate. All these videos online, and they will generally be Charlamagne. Saying something aggressive toward a woman and her reacting.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Or a tough guy getting at you and you like, backing up.

[Angela Yee]

Well, the thing with the women, it's not like I was ever, like, pressing them. I was actually being a fucking pervert. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was listening to the tv, one show uncensored, and I think I told it to Harry. Like, yo, you ever had somebody, like, walk up behind you and masturbate? Like, that's just me being a pervert. Like, I suck a fart out your butt. It's not like I'm not pressing the. I wasn't pressing the women. Like, yo, you ain't shit. Yada, yada, I'll beat you out. Like, that's corny. Like, I would never do that, you know? But I don't think I'm harsher on women than guys. I just think I was a pervert at one point in my life. Like, honestly, I was just. I was a fucking pervert. Like, I was saying this vulgar shit to women just because, like, I really don't know. Like, maybe I was in my freak bag at that time. Like, I was smelling JLo's chair.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And honestly, I mean, no shots about that.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah, I'm not mad about that. That was fucked up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not mad about that. But I mean, in general, I mean, yeah, it does seem like you were, because you could say some of those things to men. Not necessarily sexual.

[Angela Yee]

I could tell a man, I'll suck a fart out of the butt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, that would. That would be extra weird. But I mean, like, we talk, you know, foul around each other in a way that you don't bring to the men. And I noticed when these guys are going at you, you're not wild, saying something crazy there. But then when it's a chick, you are more like, who's sexy. You're more likely to be saying a perverted stuff that you're talking about.

[Angela Yee]

I mean, if you watch me now, because that's the stuff with the girls. That's literally four or five years ago. Like, me talking sexually to them like that. But like, you watch Monique. Monique going crazy on me. I'm just like, yes, man. Yeah. Not disrespecting her.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

True.

[Angela Yee]

You know, Fredro. Yo, Fredro, you want five minutes, man? Climb with all the talking with a guy. You watch the interview. I'm like, yo, we good? Or we need five minutes, man? Like, I ain't with all that if you want to. If you really want to get it in, we can get in there. And all that talking, like, you say, like, beanie too. It's like, yo, you don't come from my world and this and that. All right, cool. I don't care. First of all, I don't care about that world anymore, okay? I've been there, done that with that street shit. I don't have no reason to try to prove myself with any of that. So I'm gonna say what I need to say to this man. And if this man wants to take it anywhere else, then things will be handled accordingly. Like, you know, and I'm not no tough guy by any means, but I'm going to defend myself if I have to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wanted to focus on radio because you're a legend at that. But you have also been extraordinary at expanding your career into television, podcast, book. I'm sure I'm missing other things that you're doing. Can you talk about how you have gone about expanding what you do?

[Angela Yee]

Well, that word legend is a strong word, but I have been consistently, I guess, good at radio, and I think that everything else is fruit off that tree of radio. Like, that's just something that kind of goes with being a pretty decent New York radio personality, right? Like, I mean, there's not a New York radio personality you can name who wasn't good on the radio, who didn't get those other looks, like, as far as television or, you know, getting the opportunity to write books or, you know, being movies, stuff like that. Like, just for me, I want to take it to another level. Like, I love what Steve Harvey's doing on the executive producing side. I love what Ryan Seacrest is doing on the executive producing side. Like, that's what I want to get into. Like, I don't want to just be talent at the end of the day. Like, I'm executive producing shows. Like, we got a show on Complex right now starring Nore Nori, you know, called on the Run Eatin. You can go binge, watch all eight episodes. I'm the executive producer of that. I got a, you know, a show coming on MTV that I'm the executive producer of. I got. I'm a consulting producer in the movie body, the battle rap movie that Eminem is the executive producer of and Joseph Khan directed. Like, I'm working, you know, I got scripted shows coming. Like, these are just things I'm watching, what everybody's doing in every spot space, and where can I add my creative input? You know? Like, I really do write. Like, I've always written. I used to write for Ozone magazine. I used to have a blog. Like, I'm really writing my. I wrote my book. I gave it to Chris Moreau to edit and flush it out. Right? What I really write. So, yes, I write television shows. I write ideas for movies. So if I get the opportunity to sell some of these things, why wouldn't I?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So are you going home from the radio and thinking about, what can I do, how can I expand? I haven't done a book yet. Let me move in that direction. Let me. I haven't done. Let me see if I can get at Revolt or whatever or. Or are they coming to you? Or both.

[Angela Yee]

It's a little bit of both. I mean, it's. I remember the first time, you know, MTV2 offered me a television deal. And I was like, why? Like, I honestly was. I was like, why? I remember hitting my homegirl Tiffany, who works at mtv, like, why are they offering me a TV deal? She's like, I don't know, but take it. You know, I'm like, I. So I took it. I took that $50,000 a year, 55 grand a year, whatever it was just to be a talent on MTV2. There was nothing on MTV2 at the time. Like, I was like. But then it turned into Guy Code and Girl Code and Guy Cord and, you know, Lil Duvall, Ain't that America? And I've had two talk shows on MTV2, Charlamagne and Friends and Uncommon Sense and Andrew Schultz had shows over there. Like, so it did. It grew into something. And honestly, that's always what I've liked. Same thing with Power 105. Like, we started there like, nobody was checking for Power 105 the way they. They are now. But we grew it into something. So when they came to me with that television opportunity and I took it, I didn't know that it was going to turn into, you know, five years later, me executive producing shows and all of that stuff like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, okay, so when I know that doing the Breakfast Club is going to bring opportunities in the door. But what I'm really interested in is. Is how you took things out, how you took the capital that you were building, came up with an idea and sold that. So what's something that you did that you're. You're proud of that we can talk to folks about? Here's how you use this level of fame at radio. Package it up, and then create something bigger for yourself.

[Angela Yee]

Well, I think the primary thing is, like, you know, it all goes back to listening, meaning that there's people in television and Hollywood who listen to the radio. So when these people are sitting down with me and they want me to be the host of some show, I'm having conversations with them and just asking them questions about, yo, how did you get into executive producing? Like, how did you shop this show? And that was one of the relationships. I remember Bethany used to have a talk show, and I used to always be on Bethany's show. And the executive producer of that show, his name was Terrence Noonan, he introduced me to an agent named Adam Netler. So they kind of, like, took me on the whole scroll when it came to these talk shows and daytime talk shows, like, yo, this is the next guy that y'all should be looking at to host the daytime show. Whatever, whatever. So I started meeting a lot of people through that. And I remember Adam introduced me to somebody named Doug Banker. Now, Doug is a TV guy. Doug's got, like, a movie coming out. He's got the World Star Movie coming out on Netflix. He's got. He's a. He's one of the EPs of the NORI show with me. And it's like, being that I knew him. When Norrie came on the Breakfast Club and started talking about how he had this idea where he wanted to, you know, be the new guy Ferreira or whatever his name is, or the new Anthony Bourdain, I'm like, oh, shit, that just makes too much sense. Like, Nore niggas on the run, eating. You know, back then, you was talking about just, you know, getting money or eating however you could in the street. But now you're talking about eating for real. Like, that just makes too much sense. Like, yo, Doug, you know Nori. Yeah, I know Nori. He got this idea. Boom, boom, boom. And that's how you connect those dots, you know, by just meeting people in that world. You meet people in that world and you're like, yo, I got an idea for this. And then you just get some agents and some managers that you trust, and they make it happen. Like, I'm still learning the TV world the way that I. That I'm still learning the TV world. I'm nowhere. I'm nowhere where I'm going to be in that TV world. Trust me, that what you see Issa Radom doing with Insecure, and you see Donald Glover doing with Atlanta. I got one of those coming soon, too. Like, soon.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What is it?

[Angela Yee]

I'm not gonna say, but you'll see it real soon. You'll see the announcements and everything real soon. And you were like, oh, wow. He told me that things happen. Like, because I'm. I don't just speak things. Like anything that I'm talking about now. The seeds already been planted. And that's what people don't realize. Like, Nori's show just came out this year. We planted SC two years ago. People don't respect the process. That's why in my book, I talk about putting the weed in the bag. Cause remember in Belly when DMX and Niles was at the table and they was bagging up the weed and the two young boys was like, yo, we want to quit school and get money with y'all. And DMX was like, man, shut the fuck up and put the weed in the bag first, then get money. You can't skip the process. You gotta put that weed in the bag. Then you gotta go hit the block and you gotta sell that weed. Like, people don't respect the process. Like, everything. Anything you see me talking about now, like when I told you about this show, trust me, that weed is already bagged up.

[Unknown]

Bag up the weed first. Jay Z says it like, finish your breakfast. Other people say, take care of first things first. It is good advice. Respect the process. Build a foundation. Foundation for your success. And then go after it. Put the trees in the bag and then sell them. Because you can't sell the weed until. Unless you're enterprising. Then you could, but you can't build a bridge while you're walking across it. Thanks so much to Charlemagne for his time and thanks to you for listening. For giving you fuel to power your dreams. Because you can use your dreams like a rocket ship to blast you into a life you never imagined. You can make your dreams a reality, and I hope this show can help you. I'm on Twitter at Torre and on Instagram at Toray Show. Please stop by and say hi and if you like the show, subscribe, rate, review and tell a friend who you think would like the show. Torre show is written by me, Torre, and produced by Chris Colbert and the Young Turks, with help from William Jolly, Jason Wallace King to Nicole and our photographer Chuck Marcus. We'll be back next Wednesday with more knowledge from amazing folks because the man can't shut us down.

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